Brazzil

Either the MST will be stopped cold or it will expand and eventually become Brazil's government.Brazil could become a full fledged Communist dictatorship with the seizure of all private property and possible murder of ALL land and business owners.

My wife ( Paulista ), and I ( gringo ) have been contemplating moving from the US to the south of Brazil ( Santa Catarina state ) in the not to distant future. Things like this though give us pause. Private property ( after rule of law, they are intertwined ), is the backbone of democracy, and economic stability. What the hell are these people thinking? Actually, if the govt is infiltrated with communists,marxists, and fellow travelers. then the answer is all to clear. My observation of Brazil is: wonderful people, undeservedly bad government. The current US regime leaves a bad taste in my mouth, but I think the country will survive it. I wish I could say the same about Brazil, unfortunately.

You and the first poster sound extremely ignorant. Just stay in the US where you belong.

Now how about if the Brazilian pizza driver delivering pizza to the polling station that said "Get Rid of Bush" stays in Brazil where he belongs! I called him a Commuist to his face.... he probably took it as a compliment!

Anyone who says "Get Rid of Bush" is a "Communist"? And you called this pizza delivery guy a Commie "to his face" (how brave)? You have the mental depth of a crepe. You are obviously some kind of anachronistic McCarthyite paranoid who sees "commies" everywhere and who brainlessly paints anyone who disagrees with your narrow minded views with this broad, red brush. Does the word “crackpot” mean anything to you? As for your attack of this hapless pizza guy, I ask, “At long last, have you no decency?”

I don't care what label you want to use, the fact is you either believe in the right to private property or you don't. If you don't then the label "communist" is fitted for you. Now that said, there is an obligation on the part of the state to reserve and protect areas on the state for "community" use, parks, preserves, and the like. There are extremists on both sides of this issue. Bush is an extremist in the pro-development, privitization camp.There is no love lost for him from me. Interesting how those politicians supporting these groups like MST, draw nice fat paychecks from the taxpayers( MST's gang pays no taxes ). If they really believed in the cause, they'd serve for minimum wage or no pay. My biggest problem with MST and it's supporters is that they foment lawlessness, as if that were a noble effort. If the laws are bad, get them changed thru democratic means. Encouraging and abetting lawlessness, will send Brazil back down the path to Dictatorship. History shows here is no other possibility. But then that's what Communists use to achive their aims.

PS. The pizza guy is probably a Democrat, not a Communist, unless you happen to be a Republican, then he's a Communist .

This right wing nut needs a lesson.

Well what can one expect from an idiot oligarchic and racist person, like Zimmermann.

He comes from the so-called "white-boys club". These so called white boys, use hired thugs and land speculators to steal land from indigenous, caboclo, quilombo, and campesino families. Those who fight back are either killed or intimidated to give up their land.

tell me zimmermann, where is the private property rights of quilombo, indigenous, caboclo, and campesino families. Or are they not humans and deserve the same rights, as the oligarchic "white" farm thieves of Brazil???

what is you answer?

Then when the government tries to carry on land reform, racist land thieves like zimmermann says all sorts of negative things, like organizations, like the MST are terrorists or they do not respect property rights.

It is very interesting this property rights concept. the nation of brazil itself, like many north american countries, was founded based on the theft of land, which was the property of indigenous peoples.

Later, when the indigenous populations were massacred, black slaves were inhumanely treated on those stolen property, all of whose wealth helped to enrich an oligarchic, gringo-supporting, and generally white elite in brazil.

In short, in zimmermann's view, when he is talking of private property, he is referring to the private property of white brazilians and mulitnational companies, which are allied to the world bank and IMF.

In his views indigenous, quilombo communities, caboclo villages, and campensino have no private property rights.

That makes Zimmermann a hypocritical and racist idiot, who is allied with the right wing oligarchy and the IMF, world bank, and the republican gringos in the US.

MST for the next president of brazil!!!!!

down with the world bank, IMF, oliagarchy, and racists like Zimmermann!!!

Viva hugo chavez and fidel castro!!

move to santa catarina.

swim back to europe fool, cause that is where, Nazis like you come from. we do not need white boys like you in the americas!!!

Enjoy drowning in the toilet of your own mind. Having a discussion with one who "thinks" like you is the equivilant of talking to a can of tuna. If those of your ilk get into power Brazil hasn't got a prayer. Otherwise you could always emigrate to Cuba, Fidel could always use another shoeshine boy.

still think brazilians are wonderfull people? do your wife a favor a stay were you are. she worked so hard to get out of this s**thole in the first place, why spoil a good thing. holidays here are great living here is s**t

Yes, for the most part the Brazilians I've come across are wonderful people. I have sympathy for those who thru no fault of their own are suffering in poverty. I have only contempt for those fortune enough to be "educated" SOB's , who piss that education away spouting marxist ( or other discredited ) tripe, who either slept thru history class, or were auto-promoted thru school.. Regarding my wife and I moving to Brazil, I'm the one saying let's do it, and she's the hesitant one. Guess that's why I married her, to bring stability and clearheadedness into my life. A Brazilian told me once, "life in the US is good but it's s**t, life in Brazil is s**t but it's good". Took a bit to grasp what he said, but it ties in with your last comment. Brazils' future is always as bright as an oncoming train in a tunnel. Maybe in a decade...

typical gringo thief you are.

You just proved that you like to steal from latin america, cause you married a brazilian women.

as i said gringo bastards are parasites, they will steal your land, do coups against democratic and leftist governments, and even steal your women!!!

swim back white boy to europe, where you came from to steal the land of indigenous, caboclo, quilombo, and campesino families.

my name is joao augusto zimmermann i was born in rio grande do sul, brazil, i think is my obligation write this letter.the author is an inteligent person and i ask to my brain how one people with my own surname can subscribe one article so tendencious ,i think he not nows nothing about hungry,powerty,social movments,figth for freedom,and he not loves the next like he loves himself,the landless movment and others social movments figth against concentration of lands in the hands of few people in my country,during the past decades they coming growing and growing and the enormous confronts like he write in this article from brazilian people is considered a small discusions with the police,the freedom of expression is to great tath the leader of landless talk with the president,can you imagine this?the frase, we will turn the life of government a hell,from ever people i know even on hig school is considered a frase in a spech befront the partiadries of mst,not a war declaration against the government,look people in brazil we think diferent,we always will see with good eyes figth aginst powerty and hunger because 70 per cents of my people is poor. if the author go at one landless camp he could see terrorists,communists,bandits,cuban leaders and spys from abin,pm2,navy,airforce,army,but for me and big part of brazilians we will see our owns brothers in powerty in one camp with their childs,mothers,old fathers,at side a immense NOT PRODUTCTIVE LAND in hands of one person tath not produce not pay taxes ,see people the landles movment is to much organized, in brazil have one law.ONLY NOT PRODUCTIVE AREAS CAN BE DISAPROPRIATE FOR LANDLESS REFORM.the lanless movment only put theyr people at front at this lands,one more think,the only one who can disapropriate lands is the government and is THE GOVERNEMENT THE ONLY ONE DOES TATH not the landles movment, we have a one ministery for this MINISTERIO DE REFORMA AGRARIA.is good no?i ask to author the solution to our trouble in brazil ,wen the landles movment,formed only by brazilian poor people,go and invade one imense non productive property with the size of portugal,yes we are so great in land extensuions concentraded in hand of one people .we call our army to kill them?the childrens too?or give me one answer say for me wats your side ,the side of millios poor people of brazil or the side of 1500 sons of bitch tath concentrate 60 percents of productive lands on brazil and not produce nothing?one person with phd can produce one sentence but you have to choose not came to me with numbers ,contracts,laws,we speaking about people and one person with the wiew of author is like a eagle in high fly but he forget to descend to land and teaching the others in the soil about wath he see its so easy saty at your desk and write about ferocious revoluctionaries in my country without knows the landless movvment is always watched,spy,monitored by the governement,you think the sate of brazil is formed by stupids?the landless movments ask to the pt goernment about 600000 famylies lands from this mandate,the government only give 230000, at the end of this mandate i think the landles wil not win the 600 thousand lands,but they not go on to war against governemtent,only in the presidential elections or in a words war on the press .only if the brazilian people engage in social movments tath only express the needs of people we wil transform this country.because our politics are like the author,they fly high and forget the needs of hungry people.we are hapy on brazil and we love our country and we wil never figth against poor people,hungry people... about the deaths this is normal or he think no one wil die only we can do is minimized the casualtyes.not like in the other countries tath we watch on tv ,countries wen one sqare of non productive land have more value tath one human life,and remember everyone brazilian citizen have one chip of the countrye,to live protect and defend against strangers invaders intern troubles is intern troubles now i see on tv the landless movments invade a INCRA oficce, the cops come with watter and lacrimogenous bombs .the landless retire,but they gave the promize 1000 lands,and now all is in peace.if it is no trouble for me wy is trouble for you?if they not invade they nbot gave the lands if the lands isnt in the plane of 600 thousands lands why the governement give for them?ANSWER ME write by joao augusto zimmermann rio grande do sul brasil

to the dick who thinks gringos are thiefs. i meet my wife in my country while she was studying english. i certanly dident force her into marrage but she always said she could never marry a brazilain. i never realy understod why until i came to live in brazil. after living here for 5 years she is begging me to go back. which im quite happy to do as i wouldent want to subject my daughter to a brazilain education. as for stealing your land i will try to fit as much as possable im my luggage on the way. do you have any idea have stupid you sound. have you ever stopped to think how many brazilians there are overseas sponging of other goverments. mabey the women are happey to be stolen as you put it, as your to busy steeling form one another to even notice them. oh and by the way we like to fly rather than swim as we invented that to orthough there some debate as to wether or not a brazilain stole that idea too. if you stopped to look at the subject of the coloum youll find its about people with no land in brazil. you make me laugh. landless people in one of the largest countrys in the world. also one of the largest producers of food in the worldand your people are starving. now who is stealing from who? seems to me barzilians are stealing from brazilans and blaming the gringos. go ahead and blame us all you like, do we care.......no

The sort of irrational comments made about this article goes only to confirm its quality and veracity..

It is amazing to see how much left-wing Brazilians adopt Nazi tactics of intimidation to supreess democratic discussion.


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The MST is not just a land reform movement, but, mainly, a revolutionary organization fighting for the abolition of private property.

In interview to Jornal da Tarde (JT), dated April 24, 2000, a source from the FARC High Command confessed that his terrorist organization maintains good ties of relationship with the MST.

Although the main activity of the MST is the promotion of violent invasions of property, including public buildings, this movement is also directly involved in many other criminal activities, including looting freight from commercial trucks, blocking of highways, destruction of public buildings, and hostage taking of peasants and public officers.

Above all, the MST is a revolutionary movement for the destruction of liberal democracy. The following statement comes from a MST official document. Of course, it is was released only in Portuguese, for only the radical left in America needs to know the real intentions of this 'social' movement:

“The idea of collective implies a conscious acceptance on the part of subordinates of decisions taken by those who are responsible for controlling them. It also implies that all members of the collective must participate of fundamental decisions taken by their supreme leaders… It implies the submission of the individual to the collective… It implies the subordination of inferior organisms to superior ones. It implies the subordination of all segments and all organisms towards a social directive… To eliminate contradictions between us and our enemies, we, the MST, must impose dictatorship”

Brazil seems to be in such chaos over land ownership and use. Land invasion is not "normal democratic process". Establishing just laws and a government (State and Federal levels) who protects the rights of all of its people is true democracy. I am certain that you (all involved in supporting lawlessness, and grabbing and defamation of those who stand for justice, know the truth of Brazil's land illness. How many more people, church leaders will you kill, or people will you keep in poverty before you have the courage to become the World leader in justice that I believe most of loving Brazilian citizens want Brazil to become?

gringo, you stole the land of the indigenous people and then enslaved black people.

your evil republican government also did coups against left leaning presidents in guatemala, cuba, venezuela, nicaragua, chile, brazil, argentina, colombia, panama, and el salvador.

so you are indeed a thief and a typical imperialist. as for you marrying a brazilian woman, it shows that like a typical gringo thief, you also like to steal our woman. so you are a vile kind of imperialist thief, who wants to destroy the left leaning revolution in cuba, venezuela, brazil, and all of latin america.

viva hugo chavez, castro!!! Down with the gringo thieves and war mongers and coup supporters against left leaning governments.

Thief: Businessperson that generates jobs
Imperialist: A country that protects it's citizens
Vile: Someone that exposes socialism as history's worst source of suffering
Warmonger (see also aggressor): Someone that liberates a Red gulag

never did i expect an intelegent come back from you. your repeting yourself and sounding even more stupid. mate learn how to argue its fun when you know how. you probley even think im american with a republican govenment. and as for my wife i'd steal her anyday. not that it was hard. and as for politics who gives a f**k.
dont vote you just encourege the bastards
long live ozzy
down with elevators and brockley

ps if you read the gringo pig comment with a antanio badarias {evil latin style} accent youll find it much more amusing

oh sorry i forgot you dont have much choice weather or not you vote do you,
shame that.

You left out:

Hero: One who eats s**t for the cause and loves it
Super Hero: One who orders others to be Hero's while living like a prince off the sweat of all the Hero's brows.

Fidel's little shoeshine boy is an example of a real Hero, and he is probably too stupid to even realize it. But then he's from the "educated" class.

- Which country is the closest to hell?
- Cuba?
- No, Haiti
- Cuba is the HELL.

After reading through the posts here, I am convinced more than ever that hatred is not the answer.

Good going. I bet she is beautiful. I am with you one-hundred percent on all your arguements. The guy is mad that he was one of the people f**ked, along with more than half the world. Now I am not saying he does not have the right to be upset, but bitching and making inaccurate assumptions about you and your wife is obsurd. I second the notion that he needs to learn how to argue and more so, actually needs to find a legitimate case to argue. To ridicule you for your happiness, just shows his bitterness. On another note, I dont like how he puts women in possesive catagory such as animals in captivity. (To the crazy Brazilian: the Brazilian woman are NOT yours, your countries, nor anyone elses. They are human beings with THEIR own dessions.) I am not convinced that women was forced to marry, what seems to be a nice, well educated intellectual. Any who, for your future, I wish you and your wife the best of luck .
PS. When I get out of Reed College Brazil is my intended destination. Yet, I have the same concerns as the authory and your family. But Ill just have to wait and see how Brazils cookie crumbles in these next 3 years. If i do end up in Brasil, for gods sake I hope not to incounter many men such as the one you have. Again, good luck to you.