Brazzil

This is one well written article.
However, a few things were left out.
Brazil x Argentina rivalry is an extension of Portugal x Spain rivalry, which exists at least since the 15th century. Portugal and Spain have had through history a love and hate relation. Back when they were the two mst powerful nations in the World (before the rise of the Netherlands, France and England and long before the US were even independent), they have engaged into wars, then they have become one for 60 years (The Iberic Union, when Spain "swallowed" Portugal). Then Portugal freed itself and there were wars again. Back then, South America was divided into Portuguese and Spanish territory and there were wars and a lot of rivalry which is the root of the current Brazil (former Portuguese Colony) and Argentina (former Spanish Colony) rivalry.
Also, the article failed to mention the Cisplatine War, which is extremely important. After Argentina and my country became politically independent from European nations, they went into war because they both wanted for themselves the territory which is nowadays known as Uruguay. Brazil invaded and absorbed Uruguay. Then Argenina invaded it and took it. This happened over and over and it was getting unbearable, whith endless conflicts in the area. So England, wich was then the World's number 1 political, economical and military superpower interveined and with its support, Uruguay became independent from Brazil and Argentina. This was good for England, since that small newborn country (Uruguay) was easy to manipulate and it was in the middle of the eastern coast of South America. Before Uruguay was born (England being the Midwife, Brazil and Argentina being the parents, Portugal and Spain grandparents), the South Atlantic was subject to the domination of Brazil and Argentina which were both to big to be easily manipulated. If they made an agreement, they could seriously hurt the brittish domination in the area. So that's how England found a way to prevent that from happening: creating Uruguay.
ALso, one thing very important was the Paraguay War. This was the greates war South America ever saw, lots of people died and Paraguay was totally destroyed to the point that after the war there were only women and children (barely) left in the country. The men died fighting the Triple Alliance (Argentina, Brazil and Uruguay, which were all encouraged, backed and financed by England). What happens is by the time when England ruled the World, before the United States would rise, South America was economically and politically weak, totally sumitted to the British. The odd man out was Paraguay. This country was trully independent, with tremendous wealth, strong economic growth and so on. Very different from its neighbours. It was the "pedra no sapato" (little stone inside the shoes) of England. But this country had no access to the Sea... no seaport. So its neighbours (Argentina, Brazil and Uruguay) feared it would invade them... as it was actually planning to. England, very cunningly, took advantage of this situation. The War of Paraguay was extremely violent and bloody. Paraguay was completely destroyed. Untill today it is one of the poorest and weakest countries in South America, "losing" only to Bolivia, which is "number one" in poverty.
The four neighbours (Argentina, Brazil, Uruguay and Paraguay) are now part of the same economical and geopolitical block known as the MercosuL (as it is know by Brazilians) or MercosuR (as it is called in Spanish).
No need to thank for the History lesson.

the impression i've gotten from south america is this

to the north (columbian, venezuela, guyanas ) they don't give rat as about Brazil , nor argentina, they seem to focus more on the US

to the south (brazil hates argentina, and supposedly they claim is vicerversa, though i've been to Argentina, and I found out that most Argies don't really care much about Brazil)

this rivarly to me, is more in the Brazilian head, than in the argie one

Brazil and Argentina have a hate and love relationship. Many nations have this same problem. But both countries should not miss the historical opportunity for cooperation toward a stronger South American continent. If Brazil and Argentina don't take leadership in the continent, what South American countries posses the power to take the lead ? This is no time for centuries old bickering between the two countries. There is already a lot of senseless acts of conflic between neighbouring countries and coward acts of terrorism around the world. ( a Brazilian)

I see this was picked up for Ocnus.net, or is it the other way round? Just that makes me want more fron these two reporters.

Dewolfe

... on whose side Brasil was during the Malvines war? We always backed them up, but unreciprocated! Otherwise, I am gonna call it the Faulklands!

Argentina, get over your complex of superiority...Brasil is bigger in every sense of the word. Don't cry for me Argentina invejosos!

keol

I agree with the analysis of the first commentator (excellent article!).

There is a historical reason for this rivalry and that was listed by that guest.

I believe that Venezuela is not so pro USA as someone here mentioned, at least, recently.

Brazil is the one extending the hands to Argentina. However, it looks like a marriage walking for a divorce, unfortunately.

Argentina also sees Brazil as the next superpower (actually, in terms of Latin America we are already a superpower) and they do not like what they see; are we too competitive for them?

Anyway, we shall hope that Brazil and Argentina will work out their differences for the benefits of everyone in South America.

But for Brazil the best thing is to join forces with China and India. The three countries can really make a huge difference in the world’s economical and political arena. However, there are a lot of problems for these countries to get really together. Hopefully, Argentina would also be part of the union.

Sergio

brasil hates argentina, argentina hates brasil, who cares. this is like france hates UK, is it really relevant to anything?
everyone hates USA, china hates taiwan, is it really relevant?

Everyone loves Canada

but people from Quebec

---Argentina, get over your complex of superiority...Brasil is bigger in every sense of the word. Don't cry for me Argentina invejosos!---

Wow, two third-world s**t holes vying to out do one another. It doesn't really matter in the end, they are both bean-eating underdeveloped sewers of human waste. The day you can compare youselves with Europe and North America is the day we may start to take you seriously. But that will never happen.

Quebec
Who cares what Quebec thinks. If it weren't for their hand outs from English speaking Canada, they'd be in the same sorry state as Brasil and other Latin wastelands.

Your wrong about France Hating the UK. You should have wrote, "It's like the world hates the French". Has anyone installed a shower in that country yet?

Back to Brazilian news reading - let's see who was busted at the airport with money TODAY.

risos

Who asked your opinion? Get back to your hole.

what about chile, columbia, venezuela?

I read that the Columbian economy was growing at a fast pace, and chile has been an economical miracle in the last 10 years.

Chile is the only half civilized country in south america. Their big challenge is georgraphy. Brasil has everything, their
challenge is brasilians

Québec is my favorite place to go for a vacation. I am from New England, and I love to visit New France. St. Hubert chicken restaurant is fantastic. Try their millefeuilles dessert!

Argentina has great alfajores which are cookies with dulce de leche, dipped in chocolate. Also, great chimichurri and steaks, empanadas and licuados.

I have not been to Brasil yet but Brazilian restaurants in the USA have great pudim, mayonesa and Guarana Dietica.

Let us not forget Mexico and its guacamole, avocado, lime, cilantro, tacos, enchiladas, tortillas and salsas.

Let us not forget Haitian macaroni salad, pumpkin soup au joumou and mango desserts.

Let us not forget Florida conch fritters.

Really all we need to to is exchange recipes with the world and peace will come.

Cheers to the recipes. All this hatred makes me hungry.

Congratulations!

You people are retarded, ignorant and...
no waste of time any more

That inverosimile tale about the UK having created Uruguay... for God's sake, what have you smoked out, man???
The British were always along the Brazilian, they did not want to pursue any further any conflict with Spain (which would eventually have led to clash with France). Controlling Brazil was the easiest way to keep their influence over South America (in fact, they've kept an entire fleet based in Rio).
Brazilian influence began when the Portuguese plotted a true project for a nation. Spain never had done that with any of their former colonies. So Brazil needed to expand as much as possible in order to get rid of their potential or real enemies (whether political, economical or territorial).
They went first against Argentina, then Uruguay, then they've got away with taking more than half away from Paraguay in the Triple Alianza war. They haven't had to (almost) fight for freedom, it was given to them, unlike the rest of the South American nations.

No hate to brazilians, except in soccer. It is our 30-40% destination of exports. They bought lots of local companies in 2000-2005, beef slaughter specially is run now by our neighboors. We cooperate in science, markedly in nanotechnology and biotechnology, and now in aviation with Embraer after our national flag statization.

It is true, we must follow their lead with China, India and Russia.

Greetings from Bs.As.

Argentina always desire to take Brazilian south lands. And Brazil is far more rich than Chile. However I like Chile. My English is bad sry!

The first reason that make argentins and brazilians hate themselves has it origin a long time ago: as Argentina's population is a progeny of europeans, they consider themselves better than brasilians due to their skin color. You can see this clearly in internet comments, where they refer to brazilians as "negros de mierda" (s**tty black people). Also, they published the surname "macaquito" (little monkeys) in their local newspaper. Yeah, they think racism is something awesome. The second one is that, as argentins used to see themselves so superior as brazilians, they have a mix of angry and healous as they see Brazil's development in education, health, poverty. If Argentina's side love to hate us, they couldn't expect us to love them.