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In Brazilian Doublespeak Tyranny Is Democracy and Vice Versa PDF Print E-mail
2005 - July 2005
Written by Augusto Zimmermann   
Wednesday, 20 July 2005 08:05

Professor Florestan Fernandes in his libraryIt would be no mistake if someone argued that most of the Brazilian intellectuals have shown very little respect for the liberal-democratic traditions and legal institutions of the most developed countries in the Western world.

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Congratulations!
written by Guest, July 21, 2005

What a wonderful article. Congratulations to the author.
Mr. Congratulations!
written by Guest, July 21, 2005
It's always the same bulls**t comment from you, isn't it? You're really full of it.

What a piece of crap article. f**k you to the author! f**k you Mr. Congratulations!
Bernie/BlueBlaze
written by Guest, July 21, 2005
I can not understand why an entire artical has been written on such an uninsightful and low brow thinker? Evidentally, this man was little more than a fascist. Since when does becoming a man in favour of oppression and marshall law equal intellectual prowless? I think Brazilians ought to be a little more passive when naming their intellectual elite, because this entire artical seemed like little more than a poorly written joke (not to sound harsh).
Thanks for confirming
written by Guest, July 21, 2005

The above opinion confirms what the article is saying about the anti-democratic behaviour of the radical left.
Another reson not to live in Brazil
written by Guest, July 21, 2005
Ahhh , what a beautiful country, but what a social and political mess that Brazil is.
confirming
written by Guest, July 21, 2005
That's what it's supposed to do. Zimmerman's a radical right-winger. Like Bush admitted, you've got to repeat yourself to push the propaganda. This is right-wing propaganda masquerading as scholorly writing. Trash.
Left-wing methods?
written by Guest, July 21, 2005
You mean that the right has adopted left-wing propaganda methods?
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written by Guest, July 22, 2005
The fact that you have these discussions in Brazil, and not Cuba, says it all.
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written by Guest, July 22, 2005
It's propaganda. Period.
Right-wing methods
written by Guest, July 22, 2005
No, the right wing has adopted the propaganda methods of Joseph Goebbels.
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written by Guest, July 22, 2005
Tell a lie, tell it big, and tell it often – Joseph Goebbels, Hitler’s propagandist
National Socialist
written by Guest, July 22, 2005
You mean, Goebbels, from the National **SOCIALIST** party???
The Brazilian Left is National Socialist
written by Guest, July 23, 2005

The Brazilian Left is National(ist) Socialist.

There is no difference between communism and Nazism, save for the fact that the first killed ten times more people than the latter.
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written by Guest, July 23, 2005
"There is no difference between communism and Nazism…"

Good grief, you are a f**king moron.
Excuse Moi
written by Guest, July 23, 2005

There is another difference:

Communism is still alive and killing people.
Hegelian cr*p
written by Guest, July 23, 2005
Communism, nazism, socialism, fascism... All the same Hegelian cr*p. All against free will, individual choice, and property rights. All in favor of central command, collective action, and big nanny state. The only difference among them is who they pick as the scapegoat, and who they round to kill in millions.
In Brazil all parties recite the socialist mantra, without exception. Some of them, like the PT, have fascist tendencies. Lula behaves like a fascist when he presents himself to the world as the "father of the PT" and the "father of the Brazilians". This behavior is not surprising, since the fascist heritage of Getulio is yet strong and alive in Brazilian, polluting minds, institutions, and the actions of the political parties.
Brizola was another example of a lefty politician with fascist tendencies.
Crap is right
written by Guest, July 23, 2005
Your sophistry is embarrassing. Like I said, you're a f**king moron…a waste of time.
Lame answer
written by Guest, July 23, 2005
That's all that you have to say in defense of your beliefs? Have seen much better answers by lefties on my lifetime...
Yes you are very lame
written by Guest, July 24, 2005
Look, if you don't know the difference between Nazism, socialism, and communism, you are a hopeless moron and it's really not worth anyone's time discussing anything with you. And who said I'm a lefty? Only you. What are my beliefs that you think I need to defend? You don't know what the hell you're talknig about. Right now there are a lot of very upset Republicans in the US who know that Bush is running the country into the toilet, got us involved in an war on a pack of lies and have stooped to the level of treasonous acts to cover up their lies (i.e., divulging the name of a CIA operative and therefore endangering the US as well as breaching the trust of the people who work in that agency). Anyway, this is all above your head, becuase you are a complete idiot. I've wasted enough time on you.
Exaclty
written by Guest, July 24, 2005
The arrogant right-wing nut has no idea what the other writer's political position is, except that he doesn't approve of the Nazi-like propaganda of the Bush administration. Moreover, the guy thinks Nazism is the same as socialism becuase the word is in the acronym! LOL! Were you born that stupid or do you cultivate it? Pull your head out of your ass! You're a joke! LMAO!
Communism vs. Nazism
written by Guest, July 26, 2005

You are right. Communism is not like Nazism. It is even worst than this.

When it was first published in France in 1997, "Le livre noir du Communisme", edited by Stephane and other scholars reached the conclusion that Communism, in all its many forms, was morally no better than Nazism; the two totalitarian systems, Courtois argued, were far better at killing than at governing, as the world learned to its sorrow.

Communism did kill, Courtois and his fellow historians demonstrate, with ruthless efficiency: 25 million in Russia during the Bolshevik and Stalinist eras, perhaps 65 million in China under the eyes of Mao Zedong, 2 million in Cambodia, millions more Africa, Eastern Europe, and Latin America--an astonishingly high toll of victims. This freely expressed penchant for homicide, Courtois maintains, was no accident, but an integral trait of a philosophy, and a practical politics, that promised to erase class distinctions by erasing classes and the living humans that populated them. Courtois and his contributors document Communism's crimes in numbing detail, moving from country to country, revolution to revolution.

The figures they offer will likely provoke argument, if not among cliometricians then among the ideologically inclined. So, too, will Courtois's suggestion that those who hold Lenin, Trotsky, and Ho Chi Minh in anything other than contempt are dupes, witting or not, of a murderous school of thought--one that, while in retreat around the world, still has many adherents. A thought-provoking work of history and social criticism, The Black Book of Communism fully merits the broadest possible readership and discussion. --Gregory McNamee



Communistic Republican?
written by Guest, July 26, 2005
- To the two libbers that wrote the messages before the last one: -
LOL! This is the first time that I meet a Bush-hater-communistic Republican! Are you sure that you got into the right Party Convention? Or are you desperate just because you realized that your group lost control of the Supreme Court?
You don't need to be very smart to understand that commies and Nazis share the same philosophical values and roots. Both despise individual liberties and entrepreneurship. Both want big government controls and handouts. It's the same bull, with the exception that one was made for the enjoyment of the Arians, and the other was made for the enjoyment of the illuminati like you.
For a start, read some Hayek and Von Mises, educate yourselves, and then come back and pretend that you can discuss politics...
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written by Guest, July 27, 2005
Where did I say anything communistic? Where did I say anything that is "liberal"? By criticizing Bush and illiterate, knee-jerk rightwing idiots like you, that doesn't make me communist or even liberal. Yes, I detest Bush, as do many clear and independent thinking Republicans. He has disgraced our country. His administration is corrupt and generally criminal. He involved us in a war in Iraq based on lies. He's spending the country into poverty. He's a complete disaster. What's not to despise? Your response further demonstrates what a completely narrow minded moron you are. Unfortunately, you have become the typical right wing of the party, neither conservative nor thinking. So sad. You're so simple minded you can't even understand how dumb you sound. You read a few books in school and you think you know everything, but you're a babe in the woods.
All thugs are killers
written by Guest, July 27, 2005
Communism didn't kill anyone. People did so in the name of communism.

Now, how many people have been killed in the name of capitalism? In the name of a king or queen? In the name of any ruler? Who is killing innocent people in Iraq now in the name of capitalism (they claim it's to promote "democracy," but that's not even a funny joke. It's actually state capitalism/corporate wealfare that's beeing advanced, as practiced by the Bushies)?

Power is the ability to force one's will on another. The problem is always some elite class that wants power and will do anything to maintain power. The problem is thugs like Stalin, Hitler and Bush who work for power, irrespective of their ideologies. Unfortunately, some people who are not even part of the power elite are too dumb or brainwashed, to realize this basic fact, ally themselves with the oppressors' ideology, and allow the destruction and killing to happen.

You don't need to be very smart to understand that Bushies and other totalitarians share the same philisophical values and roots. They despise individual liberties and democracy. They both want big government to protect their power.
Petty Thugs
written by Guest, July 27, 2005
The difference between you and me is that I truly value freedom and democracy and will defend no thugs who kill in the name of capitalism, socialism, communism, neoliberalism, etc., while you are a willing pawn in a war of ideologies among zealots. You are just like religios zealots who are willing to kill because of your belief that you ideology is better than those with competing ideologies. You are not intellectual. You are not democratic. You do not believe in freedom. You are a petty thug.
Pseudo Intellectual
written by Guest, July 27, 2005
In addition, you are a pseudo intellectual, because you pick and choose to read only those points of view that support your position. An intellectual is not afraid of learning, but rather craves it. He's not afraid of competing ideas. You are a narrow minded buffoon who only reads material stamped with the neoliberal stamp of approval. Have you even read Adam Smith? Have you read Marx? Galbraith? Schumpeter? I would bet that you haven't bothered. I have a degree in economics and in law. Don't give me your lumpen political theory, you child.
Augusto
written by Guest, June 06, 2006
so the great capitalism does not kill people? U.S. never killed innocente people ã?

Chaves is of the great presidentes in Latin America, in 5 years the population of Venezuela has left from 70% of miserable people to less than the 30%.
He also put Venezuela in the restricted group of 15 country in all the world that has 100% of people who can read and write.
And besides of what this stoopid so-called PHD wrote the economy of Venezuela is great, ´cause if you don´t know Venezuela is one of the countrys that more export the "black gold"(petroleo).
"Vargas, Perón, Arbenz, Goulart, Allende"
Vargas and Péron wanted to help the people, they did by the wrong way, but still did.
"It seems that Sader considers anyone who is anti-American a democrat. If so, he should extend his list by including 'democrats' such as Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, and Pol-Pot."
how the hell he can say that?
LIE!LIE!LIE!
sader never said that, u can suppose these things!


and please, just because someone says "i´m a communist" this does not make one. it´s the same thing with china.



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