Brazzil

The difference between the treatment of the different victims is the international attention that the case received.
Brazilian inferiority complex in action.
Its like fame (or in this case 'validity of innocence') by association.
Like that Jimenz woman who had sex with Mick Jagger.
Brazil is that woman.

Great insight. Brazilians do have an inferiority complex.
The economist

terrible, you should see how they kill homeless kids just to get them outta the tourist's sight

that is why i think tourists should avoid brazil in protest of that

Looks like the underbelly of Brazil is rotton with pus festering sores!!!

could you post more about homeless kids being killed?

Alberto, I am an American of African descent, and it seems like your editorial is a mirror image of wjat I posted on the B.B.C. website the day of Jean Menezes's death. Police brutality cannot be condemned abroad and ignored at home. The killing of the poor, and the blacks by the police in Brazil with impunity is a Genocide that must be condemned. I have made it my goal in life to inform people of the killing of children by the Brazilian police. I believe that once people become aware of these atrocities, they will stop using their tourist dollars in Brazil.

Jugnu

African American…huh?

Shouldn't you be more concern with the discrimination, racial profiling and violence of the fascist cops against your people in the streets of America, before worrying about Brasil?

One should clean his own house before concerning with his neighbor’s…

keol

Great insight. Americanss do have an destructive complex.
The keol

Anyone who attempts to equivalate the violence of american police against blacks or whatever other ethnic group in the states, and the outright murder that the brazilian PM's perform, as a matter of norm, just doesn't know reality.
Clean your own house...good idea. It would be nice if Brazilians did that instead of worrying about the U.S. and blaming all it's problems on others.
How is that "novela" America by the way?? LOL! Who is hung up on who here?

Raical discrimation in America is not entirly directed at blacks, in fact a typical Brazilian could very well find himself the victem of police discrimination in the U.S.. However, this is not to say that America's vague problem can be compared with what happened Brazil. "How do officers of the law simply decide to shoot their problem dead?"( I am reminded of Al Capone and the Chicago mob scene of the 1920's").

To the angery black guy : The shooting of the Brazilian street childeren was not racially motivated. In fact, I have seen footage of a lighter skinned Brazilian man, being shot dead by a darker Brazalian police officer.My point, These occurrences were not isolated incidents, as well, they certainly were not racially motivated. However, still tragic in essence.

In regard to the London shooting:This was terrible, but not completely without merit.You should not forget that the London rail system had been bombed by terrorists. Police officers where simply on edge and concerned for others safty.(However, I would not be completely surpised if they were looking for vengeance)

Oh yeah, almost forgot! Who's image is in the photo at the top of the page????

The London police made an error which has been recognized. What happened in the outskirts of Rio on March 31, was not an error, not even police brutality, it was Police making a point to protest the change in command in their batallion. Apparently the new commander was going to put a stop to their extorsion and kidnapping rackets.

extorsion and kidnapping rackets.

Why doesn´t this suprise me..

Brazilans if they go abroad illegal or legal, they will soon or later give some benefit to Brazil through money, knowledge and know how.

Who in this web site remember when the Japanese citizen used to travel the world with a photography machine? they returned home with pictures, copy here, modified there and Japan conquered the civilized world with new technology that they copied and modified.

For such reasons, death or alive, I deserve a red carpet and a band when I return to Brazil.

The killing of Jean Charles de Menezes has raised many personal and national passions on this website. As often when giving voice to reader opinions, it seems they have been brainwashed by a commercial myth whereby ever story must display its opposite version. This is absurd, simply because there is no single opposite version to a story, but various of them. The point over Menezes’ killing is not whether British police are more violent than their Brazilian counterparts – there’s no issue here. It is obvious that Brazilian police are much more corrupt and more violent than most police forces in nations not a war. Then again, Brazil’s murder statistics classify it as, indeed, being at war. Call Brazil’s situation, then, a “private war”. On the other hand, the issue in England, which differs from Brazil, has to do with state sanctioned murder. The Brazilian federal state obviously does not overtly call for its police to murder suspects of violent crimes. Menezes just happened to be Brazilian, but he could have, and maybe should have been, in the eyes of the police, Arab, Berber, Persian or Pakistani. Lamentably, that in itself would have legitimized the murder as far as British authorities are concerned. The Brazilian’s death has at least condemned the British government’s resorting to state sanctioned murder as illegimate and grossly excessive, and harmful to its varied Muslim communities. Citizens of the G7 zone should not aspire for their law enforcement to emulate less-trained and more corrupt ones. To the contrary, they have a moral example to uphold, which goes by lawful behavior and the respect of civil liberties. Unfortunately for England, where the population overwhelming rejects Blair’s euphoric glee to be Bush’s bedfellow, it, instead of he, has had to bear the brunt of the illegal invasion of Iraq, the massacre and torture of its population, and destruction of the country’s national heritage and wealth. Many Brazilian readers who voiced their opinion on this website regarding Menezes and the British police have work to do on deciphering the issue. They should focus on the detail of the question, and indeed do everything in their power to clean up their own hugely corrupt police forces.

Let’s clean up our corrupt judicial system along with our police forces. How many lawyers and judges have been accused of corruption or just plain crimes in Brazil in the past 5 years? How serious is a country that does not know what to do with a criminal such as Fernandinho Beira-Mar? They keep him moving from place to place doing tourism in different states' prisons because they can't find a place secure enough to leave him there.They can't trust the police anywhere in the country! Obviouslly Fernandinho has more connections than they thought he had! Menezes' death is very tragic, indeed! But I have a feeling that if he had been killed by the Brazilian police, Brazilians would not feel so enraged! Menezes's death by a foreign police touches our pride! The non-official killing of innocent street children in Brazil should enraged us much more than Menezes's death! Menezes was not targeted because he was Brazilian; Brazilian street children are targeted because the police know that they can get away with murder as long as the victims are poor; not necessarily black, like some African Americans want us to believe!

the above post is right on the mark...very nice!!

Yes, there is racism in America, but we have the Constitution, if you are a racist police you cannot kill with impunity or brutalise with impunity, go read abot the police officer that tortured Abner Louima in New York city, he is in jail for life. Where Brazil differs is that these killings of the poor goes on, and people like you with nothing but air for brains cannot respond with constructive criticism, except to attempt to tarnish the United States. All I am saying is this, If Menezes had been killed by the police in Brazil, there would have been no outrage, life would have moved on. If the killing of Menezes was wrong, then the killings of the poor, and the blacks in the favelas of Brazil by the police is also wrong.

P.S. TO RESPONSE.
Base your arguments on actual facts instead of being jingoistic

brazil has the most abusive police force in the world

hahaha Americans go to Brazil and get surprised at how Brazil is not like they thought it was gonna be

Americans are quit provincial and picture Brazil as this sexual paradise, where every one looks great and they have sex all day

the shock comes when they set foot in brazil and realize that Brazil is a cesspool

the simple fact that the brasilian homicide rate remains so high year after year qualifies it as "state sanctioned"
The state allows and actually condones it by refusal to reform

Stop picking on Brazil! Stop putting Brazil down ! You Americans are cold blooded terrorists, What have you done to these innocent souls in Iraq?

Some day soon you will learn to respect the Green Giant!
Afterall the USA is more violent has a higher crime rate than Brazil.
You guys should be a shamed of the USA....Bullies!!

As much as I enjoy visiting Brazil to seem my inlaws,etc., I couldn't see myself living there. Seems I'm not alone, the crush off people wanting to emmigrate from Brazil to the US easily overwhlems the couple of dozen or so coming the other way. The violence and lawlessness of the criminals and the police force is one of the major reasons that people want out of Brazil. Think about it, a Brazilian is killed in London by police during an "extraordinary" time, and it's a cause celeb across the world. A Londoner is "accidentally" killed by police in Rio, and it wouldn't make page two. That says volumes about how far apart the two countries are. Maybe in a few decades that might change.

More of free american ignorance, I see.

keol

...concerned with the lives of poor people from around the world???

Well let’s see…babies from Iraq, Haiti, Niger and on and on…all either assassinated by the beasts (americans) or starved to death by their imperial domination!

The United States and the Washington gangsters are all about hypocrisy and double standards…Pathetic!

keol

We may all end up in hell, but americans are getting there first!

Keol should come out of the closet..
Have pride in your identity Keol.
Put on your black shirt and support privelege over law.
Its the Brazilian way.

What I love is Flamengo....MENGO...MENGO...MENGO!

Pé na bunda das gringalhadas....keol

Quote:
"What I love is Fla men go...men go...men go...men go..."
"Pé na bunda das gringalhadas....keol"

Translation:
"What I love is men...men...men..men..men"
"I'll put a foot in a foriegn woman's ass"
You go girl!

Hey it all makes sense now. She needs to get laid real bad, but all her homies have left for the states ( trying to sneak across the border from Mexico ), so she's left all by her lonesome. Poor girl, probably lost her stick to some gringa. Let's all show a little pity for the poor bimbette down on her luck.

What I love is (where) Fla (Florida) me go, men go, men go, men go
Where do men from Florida go?
Miami Beach!!
Its the place for Keol.
Have pride in your identity.

get your facts straight sonny. The U.S. has a higher crime rate than Brazil? You showed your IQ with that statement alone. They don't even come close!! And as far as "we" Americans causing all this death and suffering....don't forget, you're right by our side mate!!

Did you know that right here in Brazil, every month, more Brazilians die from gunshots than in the U.S's war with Afghanistan and Iraq combined!!

But Brazil is such a friendly country, no war, no terrorism. Yeah, right, if there is a country that would like to see Brazil self-destruct, that don't have to do ANYTHING to achieve their goal....Brazilians do a wonderful job themselves!!

Pervert Huh??? Hahaha

Otária Babaca…I’ve stepped on and squished c**kroaches smarter than your sorry pimply american opie ass! Drop your trousers and sit on daddy’s lap…little slut!

From now on, call me your “Big Dick Daddy from Cincinnati.” hehehe

On the serious side… the usual, american maggots have nothing of value to add but their usual ill-informed, ignorant, self opinionated, unworldly, insensitive, arrogant and ultimately stupid americans!

Viva of Flamengão…É Campeão!

keol

PS. f**k GW Bush and his cronies!

we are ashamed of america and you should be too. So stop lining up at the consulate for visas. Stay home w here everything is beautiful and peaceful.

Of Reality… Totally misinformed with a special vision of their own history. By becoming ignorant americans are becoming dangerous.

A bunch of trigger happy fat people with a John Wayne complex. American flags fly all over the country over cemeteries packed with fallen american soldiers, that’s their legacy!

The United States only real contributions to the rest of the world are McDonalds and War. I can very well do without either of them!

American democracy??? What a farce…a police state with no political left as a counter-balance.

Just sit back and watch the freak show…as America degrades and self-destruct before the entire world.

keol

Killing homeless children to vanish them from the tourist sight is a quite simple point of view of the whole problem. Unfortunately, it is going to continue regardless of tourist coming here or not. It has more to do with brazillian internal social problems.
Tourism hires million world wide and it is not different here in Brazil. If tourists stoped to visit the country, the social problems would increase. The social problem is almost the root of all this violence and the brazilian citizen should not be the only responsible for healing this. Brazil is just a mirror of what have been happening in the entire world...

I forgot... my name is Fagner Luiz. I´m from Belo Horizonte, Minas Gerais, Brazil. I´ve posted the last topic

If america sucks so much why do so many of you come here? Seriously.

Most of us go to USA (I don´t like to call it 'America' because we all are americans! From north, south, central and Caribe ) just to have an opportunity to *survive* with dignity. Like the irish people did in XIX century.
They didn´t want to abandon their families, but they had to do it rather than starve in a hopeless economic system. Despite all bad news you hear from Brazil, this is quite good country and nobody would give up to live hear for nothing.

Fagner Luiz

The last sentence was terrible! Let me correct it: '...give up to live HERE for nothing.'

Fagner Luiz

Fica quieto ai, ta falando muita besteira.

If there is one root cause of widespread violence, it is our unwillingness to control our numbers, knowing that population is out of balance with the resources available to feed people and meet all of our other demands. It is hard to put the "breeding genie" back in the bottle. Individual birth control precautions could bring about a safe and abundant world.

If there is one root cause of widespread violence, it is our unwillingness to control our numbers, knowing that population is out of balance with the resources available to feed people and meet all of our other demands. It is hard to put the "breeding genie" back in the bottle. Individual birth control precautions could bring about a safe and abundant world.

"Can't we all just get along..."
-Rodney King
When does the food start flying? (please remove all skewers)

Wen sameone is kill a litle universe is lost
It is no mather if he is a pakistan, man irakian, english, american, or brazilian.
All the people have to reflect about it
How we can stop this?
Are we contributing with this, in any manner?
We have to look inside our heart, and free our soul.
It is the only way.

The person above sounds kinda a gayish.

All US citizens are fools and are still being misled by big Bush to small Bush.When can they ever learn?

gayish???? how dare you. someone said something kind. leave it at that. many of you could learn from them.

To those minority few who think Brazil is such a paradise, obviously you are walking around with your head buried up your ass. As a businessman who invested over a million dollars in that sorry ass country, had to daily pay the police, the customs inspectors, the brokers, the government officials and anybody else who opened their hand, there isn't a more corrupt, dishonest or useless "people" in the world. There is a reason N. America doesn't want you; you won't do s**t at home, how can we expect you to work with us? From infancy to death, from the private sector to the goverment (El f**king presidente LULU ring a bell) it is an education in progress on how to be dishonest and kill. From the "lie" museums in Petropolis (museums that teach people that the telephone and airplane are original Brazilian inventions stolen by the Americans) to the open practice of global terrorism in the tri-border regions, nothing and nobody is lower on the food chain than the Brazilians.Highest baby mortality rate in the world, no health care and a penchant for crying the blues when your real tumbles. Hands out year after year to the IMF, and you still kill children. Brazil, a great place to get laid, and then go home. To all the Brazilians reading this, f**k YOU!

PS: You did know that Brazilians f**k animals and eat dogs, right?

gayish???? how dare you. someone said something kind. leave it at that. many of you could learn from them.


sounds gayish but in denial!

Who stirred the s**t in your local cesspool to wake you up?

You shouldn't suck your thumb after it has been up your ass - wash it first with Toilet Duck!!!

Yours truly,

keol

f**k George Bush, the number one terrorist in the world.

It is now very clear that Koel is a transvetite. You know, the number 2 tourist in Brazil. Baby plastic bolt on tits, even smaller hairy c**k usefull only if your an a*****e. No doubt Keol, you are a 'specialista". How easy is it to hate a country where the president has to make a national apology for his, and his cabinets corruption? Whay kind of s**t hole runs an entire country on a CPF, and actually fines you if you do not vote? What kind of country uses a quasi democracy to hide behind its absolute corruption, and then modify its constitution to suit the needs of the president? What kind of country can hold you in prison indefinatly under an accusation with no charges pending? Like I said, it really is easy to hate Brazil..................many of us do! LOL

can hold you in prison indefinetly under an accusation with no charges pending? "

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Sure you want an answer??? OK...here it goes:

1) Due process rights denied by American Torturers to detainees at Guantanamo Bay. Even though against the Geneva Convention regarding POWs, the American solution is to redefine the term as Enemy Combatants (instead of POW), making it legitimate.

2) Jose Padilla, an American born US citizen, has been deprived of his basic constitutional rights without any due process of law. Being held for 2 years, he was transferred from control of the U.S. Department of Justice to military control in South Carolina. Padilla has not been charged with a crime and does not have access to a lawyer in his detention. This is a clear violation of the 5th Amendment and probably a violation of the 6th Amendment as well. It is also a clear violation of the democratic traditions in any civilized society.

3) And don’t forget the American born Japanese immigrants “concentration camps” of WWII in California.

Are you satisfied now… American Rambo? Or shall I say more? You have such a BIG mouth I bet you can eat a banana sideways….hehehe!

Oooh… the answer to your question is: The United States of America.

Yours truly,

keol

PS. f**k George Bush (#1 terrorist in the world) and his fascist cabinet.

hehehe...

There IS NO comparison between Brazilians and Americans. Stop the comparison. It does not exist. Brazil is nothing but a screwed up third world country with a bunch of crap heads leading it. The real nice, good Brazilians are quiet in the background...When was the last time you saw any KOREAN BRAZILIANS protesting on the streets or dancing Samba or getting deported back into Brazil? Get a clue. Only the clueless in Brazil have this inferiority complex. IF the U.S. is so bad, how come most Brazilians are still here and stay for years and year until they get deported for illegal immigration? Are there any illegal American citizens invading Brazil like the Mexicans and Brazilians invade here?
Again, there is NO comparison between Brazil in the U.S. Brazil is Brazil, U.S. is U.S. Brazil can't even be compared to Chile, which is a lot more developed and much more U.S. friendly.
Wanne be a smart BRAZILIAN? Don't follow the crowd. Most are full of crap.
I know. I used to live there.
Do you think Brazilian industry can live without the American Dollar. See what happens if all American companies pull out of Brazil...you think you have economic problems now, wait until all American companies LEAVE and you're left with LULA-by, empty headed drunk.

Spics they are all the same whether from Brazil, Central America, Mexico, all the f**king same s**t. They have a menatlity of the 3rd World, no wonder they become coporate slaves when they come here.

Typo error...meant mentality of the 3rd World. Also wanted to add, it's time Immigration deported these 3rd world pieces of s**t back to where they came from.

too much hate going on here!

americans and english are so full of bulls**t...cant you bare the fact the brazil is one of the best places in the world to live in these days?! yes, loads of curruption, government sucks....but they have our good things too!!! its not like the u.s is perfect!the USAs refusal to take a responsible or mature attitude towards it's own
pollution is a reason why many people hate America!!!! so clear americas image first, then come complain about the brazilians....

Google shouldnt be putting this up for immature people like you,yes, yes your just another jelouse american, oh we forgive you, dont worry... just please shut your mouth cause you sound smarter when its closed

Why are you guys wasting time on this? People hate america so much that they've even made a movie "Why do people hate america?" i liked its cover alot, the flag is on fire, made me crack up, friends laugh often too
I hate being american =)

PEOPLE, BRAZIL/AMERICA, BOTH HAVE GOOD SIDES BOTH HAVE BAD SIDES.
DON'T GO THINKING AMERICA IS PERFECT
IT ISN'T, WE ALL KNOW THAT!
BRAZIL ISN'T EVEN CLOSE TO PERFECT, BUT YES, IT'S GOT BEAUTIFUL PLACES TO GO, AND THE PEOPLE ARE VERY KIND!

Brazil is a waste land, full of uneducated backward thinking dishonest retards... come, f**k the women...all whores & looking for a quick way out of poverty...but f**k them and leave them in the cess pit of there making...losers

*their making...
God I hate smelly Brazilians...smile to your face while they are thinking of a way to get something from you.... God forgoten land...

PS: You did know that Brazilians f**k animals and eat dogs, right?

This is a f****** retard.Dogs are people like u and we f**k them.If u look in the internet,u dont find any brazilian f**king animals,do u?Weel,it's easy to find some american bitch being f**ked by a horse.Keol is right,bush are the number #1 terrorist in the world.Most of the idiots that speak of Brazil never set a foot here.It's corrupt and all,but at least we kill our own innocents,different from Bush,who kill innocents from all around the world.f**k Bush and some americans idiots...U all deserve a slow,cruel and paynfull death.

PS:I dont give a f**k if i write wrong.I hate english anyway.

P.S. TO RESPONSE.
Base your arguments on actual facts instead of being jingoistic
Written by Guest on 2005-08-04 15:21:42
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brazil has the most abusive police force in the world

hahaha Americans go to Brazil and get surprised at how Brazil is not like they thought it was gonna be

Americans are quit provincial and picture Brazil as this sexual paradise, where every one looks great and they have sex all day

the shock comes when they set foot in brazil and realize that Brazil is a cesspool


Written by Guest on 2005-08-04 16:16:54

I lived in The United states for 29 years. I am from Portugal and I have been to Brazil and I'll tell you the truth, Brazil is much more proming than the US.

The is a greedy selfish, racist society.

If there is one country, the US, is the king of all racist societies.

It is the worst country in the world. It is rich with slum sucking thieves and curruptrd ploiticians and lobyists, O I forget, The Zionist region, those that crufied Jesus Christ..

Who is the US goovernment? JJJJJJs....

Please do not boste too much about USA.

The US: Bronx, Roxbury, LA,
Brooklyn, Harlem etc, and etc..

The Iraq war? Ha! Shame on America! Loosers..

Democracy? For Whom?
Your county is in deep s**t.
Your running of friends and Oil.

The Green Giant is self sufficient.
Ethonal Babby, Athonal!

Sugercane baby!
Who is your dady going to be in 10-20 years. The Golly Green Giant.

Why the AFTA, because the US can not live with out Latin America, that is the bottom line.

Why is the US in Iraq? Democracy?! Bull s**t!!!

Oil? Yes Oil. Killing large populations of innocent children and parents.

Now if you do not call this an infested, dement cesspool of lobbyist and politions, than it must be worse. Swine? that's to clen for the US.

It is much worse than that.
A killing machine, Washington.
No disregard for human life.

If George Washington was a live
he would cry in tears and say what went wrong.

Washington is a shameless cartel
of drug dealers, murderers and war criminals.

The is a Rogue nation and no friends.

Brazil is beloved by all eccept for the US.

Brazil has so many friends that you couldn't shake a stick at.

The US? Only lonely UK.
What a shame, no friends!

No weapns(WMD) of
mas destruction.

The US is the learder of WMD.
Hiprocrits and facists.

You will soon meet more than your match?

CHINA baby!
CHINA!

Remember one thing the only reason you have the USA is because Portugal had a massive Earth Quake in 1755. Not even England would have those thirteen colonies if there had not been a natural massive earth quake in Lisbon.

You just got lucky as well as the English. Nothing but pure luck.

This is all by chance not effort do not forget who are the true conquerors of the Americas.

Not the Spanish but it was the Portuguese who are the true owners of America. King Henry of Portugal.
Remember one thing and do not forget your history lesson.

It was King Henry of Portugal who financed Amerigo Vespucci to claim North America for the Portuguese.

Brazil is very much Portuguese but an independent body of Portugal with very close ties.
Brazil is made up of Portuguese whites, Portuguese Africans, Native Brazilian Indians, Italians, Germans, Japanese, Lebanese, Arabs, Polish, Russians, French, Dutch, English, Celtics, Spanish and etc..

North America belongs to the Portuguese and the Brazilians.
You had stolen it from Portugal when Portugal was hit by the biggest ever earth quake in European history.

Anything that defies my sense of reason....: Jean Charles de Menezes - Murder, Lies & A Massive Cover-up
http://antagonise.blogspot.com/2005/08/jean-charles-de-menezes-murder-lies.html

Brazil has around three times as many homicides as the US with 40% less people. Los Angeles or New York are not comparable to Brazil's much more violent cities.

Right on, there is too much hate going on here. You can spend hours and hours pointing out the negatives of any country. Basically, Brazil has incredible food, music, beaches, people, and women who actually have a bunda that is feminine, astoundingly beautiful and the envy of the whole world. And men from other countries would happily become a Brazilian woman's personal slave if he could only live to serve her bunda, and serve it in all ways! He and i would gladly sign on the dotted line to enter such a contract.