Brazzil

Forgive me but I am having a hard time understanding the true meaning of this article.

Should a man not repent but give himself to despair and end his life? Surely, this is not a Christian way of seen things.

I understand that he made mistakes; either because he is naive and uneducated or because he did everything knowingly and maybe thought that would be for the benefit of the country. It is noticeable that he is also given to the erroneous use of words and had shown bad approaches when expressing his opinion. We knew for a long time that the actual president is not intellectually well discipline although he have shown that he is good at heart.

Let us say we remove him from power and chose somebody else with a much bigger brain than Lula. Who can guarantee that he/she will not continue the same shameful political process we have today or even worse? Do we have anyone in our country capable of doing better? If so, where can we find this wonderful unnoticeable leader?

What if during the next campaign, right before the vote, he, somehow, dies?
Sympathy, plus freedom from the mistakes blamed on the predecessor.
No matter how much you don't like Lula, you have to admit that he does have a popular appeal and would be mourned as an archetypical Horatio Alger.
Of course, in Brazil, the rags to riches story is different: a poor man, through luck and conivance, becomes a figurehead for a group of nationalistic socialists and achieves great fame, enabling him to provide, through nepotism, for those around him. The poor share in his glory: "He is our thieving bastard".

...but whoever was elected so far....was not only corrupted...but also corrupted others...unfortunately !!!! And this is your major problem.
As to the first forum commentator, I refute your arguments. Although Lula was not educated...as YOU say...he became educated with age and power. He has not no brain as you say....He has more brains than many people combines ! The proof is he came from nowhere and went to the top !!!!
So his excuses are just demagogy...to rise to power....as usual... for the last 20 years !!!!
During those years he was against corruption vehemently...but what did he do ? When I say He...I should say...they...the PT party..where he was a leader...it seems to me...otherwise he would have not been choosen to represent them for the election !
Please dont forget that when this crisis started...he said...it was a conspiracy from the opposition and the elite. He and some leftists parties even tried to use their power and influence to not have the investigation opened !! Everyone named said......NO...it is untrue the corruptions affirmation....until more and more evidences came on the surface.
Look at what Soares declared today...he recognized finally...what he always denied !!!
And sorry for you Brazilians citizens, but no other political party is any better.
Your elected people use a party..and when elected...they change of party (probably because they got a personal better deal...obviously) ! FRom the last presidential election 161 senators changed their party. Numbers given by Cavalcanti...himself !!!

Unfortunately no one is caring for the citizens.They are like many gangs...fighting each others for more power.....but together against the citizens...!!!! you are the source of their wealth...and they take it, rob it, more than in any country ! That is why you have so much social inequality !!!!

Look what they did...together...against you.
From 1996 to 2002, 150 billions USD was laundered out of your country. And laundered through only 2 local...not even major banks.
This was one of the major reason of your crisis that ensued after 2000 !!!!
WELL AFTER Lula was elected (the defensor of the poors), on december 18, 2004, your lawmakers decided not to open an investigation !!!!! For your info.....91 politicians were named...from most political parties ! So you understand their reasons of their decisions !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What did Lula said ? Nothing...on the subject !!!
So only some currency traders are in jail...but they were only...doing what they were told to do by the most powerfull and influentials people of your country.
Where is that money ???? Certainly not in the offshore accounts of the currency traders...but in the accounts of the same people who instructed the illegal money laudering !!!! Where ar these guy now ????
Just free in your country, having even a bigger mass of money to control all decisions. They are the people who are in the differentials political parties...or industry captains. No doubt...some retired..with such wealth !!!!!
So Brazilian citizens..as long as you dont do mass demonstrations...by the millions and millions...in most of your major cities....claiming...ENOUGH IS ENOUGH..and not only in Brasilia...with 10 or 20000 demonstrators...they will continue indefinetely to abuse and rob the governement where it is so easy...to take money away....through many tricks...they are
so accustomed to do !!!!

But sorry for you....YOU ELECTED THEM...at ALL levels !!!!

here is an article appeared today in your newspapers, transalated by a reporter :

Yesterday (17), the PT's National Executive Committee issued a request asking the nation's forgiveness. According to the communication, "for the first time the party is asking for the country's pardon, for acts practiced by leaders of the party without the knowledge of other party members, acts that in the eyes of the Brazilian nation, were morally and politically condemnable."

In its note, the PT asserts that, when all those who acted irregularly admit responsibility for what they did, as is the case of the ex-treasurer of the party, Delúbio Soares, their names will be announced publicly.

The Executive Committee also said that these acts were shameful for the PT and the government. "We are getting our act back together, reorganizing our administrative structures and attempting to deal with the political crisis to defend the continuation of the government under President Lula's leadership," the note informs. "It is impossible to evaluate the depth and the seriousness of the damages."

The note goes on to express confidence and desire in favor of President Lula's mandate, as well as calling for the need to respect the party's internal differences of opinion to a greater extent and doing away with the informal relationships that exist between the government and the party, which, according to the note, are not transparent and "only serve to benefit the manipulation of party circles by leaders who enjoy greater access to power."

The PT's Executive Committee suggests that all municipal party groups hold debates and shows of force in favor of the PT and Lula's Administration on August 27.

- DOES THE PT PARTY NOW REQUEST THAT EVERYONE THAT SAID HE DID SOMETHING WRONG...WILL ONLY HAVE HIS NAME PUBLISHED....BUT NOT PUNISHED ???
- THE PT PARTY RECOGNIZES THAT THE EX LEADERS....ETC !!!!!! WAS LULA ONLY A MEMBER OR A LEADER BEFORE BEING ELECTED PRESIDENT ????? smile...! So why he does not recogniezes publicly HIS "ERRORS" but only "others" errors ?????
- WHY DO THE PT DOES NOT REQUEST PEOPLE ACTUALLY IN JAIL....FOR THE SAME ERRORS DURING PREVIOUS GOVERNMENTS...JUST TO RECOGNIZE AND THEN THEY WOULD BE FREE !!!
- WHY DO THE PT PARTY ASK CITIZENS TO STLL WORK WITH...LULA.. UNDER HIS GOVERNANCE ????
- WHY DONT THE PT PARTY DOES NOT ASK CITIZENS...ELECTED OR NOT...TOP FORGIVE MURDERERS, TAX CHEATERS, MONEY LAUNDERERS, CORRUPTORS, CORRUPTEES...TO SIMPLY TELL FINALLY THE TRUTH..AND THEY WOULD BE FORGIVEN...EVERYTHING ??????

SURE...CITIZENS SHOULD PARDON ONLY THOSE WHO DID WRONG...IN THE PT PARTY...ESPECIALLY BUT ONLY....THE LEADERS !!!!!

BY DOING THIS YOU COUL BE SURE THEY WILL DO IT AGAIN..IN ALL POLITICAL PARTIES... KNOWING THEY HAVE NO RISK ANYMORE !!!!!

THIS WILL BE THE BEST REASON NOT TO REQUEST A REOPENING OF THE 150 billions US dollars....yess billions...money laundering investigation !!!!

Viva Sun....Sex....Sea and $ !!!!!!

Should you accept...your democracy will continue to ressemble to a democracy...but in facts owned by just a few...and slaves you will continue to be to your KINGS !!!!!

Well, I did not say that Lula is not intelligent. I am not sure whether you know Brazilian history but Lula is not Ruy Barbosa, for example. However, I seriously doubt that Lula is more intelligent than many people combined.

The first poster

Cheers

f**k BUSH

Mmmmm, bush.

Cristaldo's a fool.

Corruption, lies, murder and torture. Welcome to Brazil. A country that battles between f**king the government, f**king itself and blaming the USA and others for its constant, and never ending demise. A culture totally based on theft and human tradgedy. How many more billions have yet to be acknowledged as lost; excuse me; missing; sorry, stolen? Is there another culture in the world, another people anywhere that take and receive so much, and return so little? If the country of Brazil and its people ceased to exist, who would notice, and more importantly, who would care. To the Brazilians, the most self persecuting people in the world. You are what you have always strived so hard to be, nothing. You are know for everything you bring to the table, nothing. Board rooms around the world measure your human and financial performance as "what not to do". Look in a dictionary under fraud and there you will find the country of Brazil with a picture of the dumbest man ever elected to office, Lula. Fact is fact, Brazilians are who and what they are, nothing.

I am most respectful of any lawfully chosen President, i.e. elected by the people, not ensconced by the Supreme Court. If such an aforementioned action were to happen in another country, the U.S. would undoubtedly promptly condemn them!

I am not the only individual who sees Mr. Bush as a bungling moron who had the Audacity to make jokes of WMD’s while attending a State Dinner!

How devastating and heart-breaking this must have been for people who have lost their loved one in the war! This man is not fit to visit the White House, much less occupy it. Sorry, I am simply unable to call such a man “President” and urge everyone to do the only responsible thing and vote him and the other charlatans out of office because the US can’t afford any more of their idiocy and incompetence!

Bush will go down in history as the greatest war criminal.of recent times!

keol

Your comment makes absolutely no sense. Here is why:

First: corruption, lies, murder and torture exist anywhere else, see UK recently with Jean as example, not to mention Bush. And if you call "corruption" dealings between corporations and government, well, a lot of people do it. The difference is that our "elite", i.e., the "feudal lords" of our time, are too greedy and dumb. At least the US tries to rule the world, our "elite" are not that united and can't see that farther.

Second: Our culture is very rich, and I don't mean jus samba and carnaval, but a lot of folclore and literature (excellent writers) and music and several other things. If you're brazilian, you don't know your own country and should seek a proper education, if you're not bad for you.

Third: "billions"!? Our population is around 180 millions according to the last census.

Fourth: A lot of people would notice our demise, especially bankers and capitalists that make a lot of good money on us! Remember, we are the biggest country in south america and the only one that actually has bargain power to say "No, thanks" to the US (more than 80% of our economy does not depends on them, see ALCA, what's ALCA without Brazil? A half-ALCA because here is where the money is), not even Canada or Mexico have this power, their economies are mostly tied to the US, they have no choice.

Fifth: If I could copy something from the US, I would copy the sinergy between media-government-corporations . Everyone does its part like in an orchestra. The media works the propaganda stuff (we good, they bad) and doesn't attack the government so furiously as here. Big corporations can manipulate the masses the spread the "american truth" all around the world. And for those that are not receptive the government does what it does, i.e. kills, wages war based on lies, steals, destabilizes regions, etc. If you look this way, you'll see we in Brazil are amateurs.

And suffering from moral ambiguity. Only a society accustomed to war and predisposed to the use of war and violence would accept war so quickly, without asking any questions or demanding any answers from its leaders about any war… Sad, really.

Just how frequent war has been, and how central wars have been to the evolution of the United States, only becomes clear when you start to make a list.

Yet, the overwhelming majority of historians have always known that America was and is a violent country.

keol

CHIMP KEOL!

Prove me wrong.
List your educational background, or even books you've read that support anything you state.
You say a lot of stupid things.
They would be funny if they weren't so predictable.
You are boring.
Booo!

Countries not required to have “visas” to enter the US…

Australia, Austria, Great Britain, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Luxemburg, Monaco, Holland, New Zealand, Norway, Portugal, Spain, Sweden e Switzerland.

Hmmm…they are all white, interesting!

Slowly f**k Bush!

They also don't flock to the US in droves illegally. If you research it fully, you will find the exceptions are mad by the number that stay in the US illegally.Skin color is a copout. Notice "eastern Europeans "aren't on the list and the are predominately white.Chimp Keol is mad because he probably can't get a visa. Do us all a favor Chimp Keol, Become a "Suicide Bomber" and kill your computer!

And one country where Brazilians dont need visa...is Brazil !!!!

Mhmmmmm not white !
One commentator said it all : Brazil is the best self persecuting country !!!
What Brazilians citizens dont really understand is that the world love them, are willing to help them. But the world do not like their elite and their corrupted politicians from left to right. Citizens cannot blame others countries. From what I know...it is Brazilians citizens who elected their government !!!!

As to Bush first election, let me correct trhe commentator who said he was not approved by the supreme court. It is the supreme court who had the last word...and approved him.
This said it was on his first election. Are you saying he was not elected with a large majority of votes...in his second election ?????

If so, you dont seem to read international news frequently. I could only guess....you are a fan of your brazilian soap operas !!!!!

As to corruption in your country even your politicians, corrupted, are telling that their opposition, whoever it is, are deeply corrupted to the roots !!!!!

I am neither from right or left. I am for transparency, same justice for all, aplicatgions of laws, AND against injustice for the poors..especially in your country...because you have been abused by every one who you elected, so deeply and so many times, that the only way to help them is to demonstrate how it goes within the elite sand what and how they take away of even your basic rights of
education, health, wages and even hunger !!!

So at the end.....you have to WAKE UP and STAND UP....against people YOU elected and show them how displeased you are.

Columbia and Equator had mass demonstrations of huindreds of thousands people to oust their presidents.

Brazil with 186 millions citizens have shown how displeased they are...with only one demonstration against corruption, with only 12000 demonstrators in Brasilia...this week !!!!

This shows how much you care...of how deeply you are robbed and raped of your rights.

And do you really imagine one second that in a country as large as yours, that 12000 demonstrators against corruptions, will stop corruptions???

You know as weel as I do that corruptors and corrupted are well well over the 12000 demonstrators !!!!

READS: "Geoge W. Bush...Corrupt, Careless, Clueless "

Dollar Each, The Anti-Warmonger Fund.

keol

Slowly f**k Bush

Only in Brazil would Italians be considered white

By the way
To do that act slowly implies that:
1. You enjoy that act
2. You have much experience with that act and know the most pleasurable way
and therefore
3. You are the type of Brazilian most likely to immigrate to the US
Have pride chimp keol

The absurd, random mass murder of young and old, male and female is its trademark. The boundaries between reasoning and humanity are blurred, as political demands get wedded to criminal methods.

The shallow, myopic, dualistic conception of the world populated by “us and them” in Bush's language, an endless orgy of maiming and mutilation.

The common denominator is ignored, that which tears and divides is sought. Americans would rather see the world turn into an ever raging battlefield, societies into blazing scenes of sectarian schism and civil war, all for the mighty dollar.

May the United States burn in hell to eternity.

keol

Cristaldo is a fool.

Cristaldo dreams of a real dictator from the wealthy elite class to return to power in Brazil. What a complete ass you are!

with all this US bashing and US defending…Cristaldo is an idiot. That's the topic of this article. Don't get sidetracked, people.

"Only in Brazil would Italians be considered white"

From - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whites

“A white person is generally considered to be one who is relatively light complexioned. What exactly is meant by it depends on the context in which the term is used. In the United States, it tends to be used for people of Caucasoid descent and European heritage. In other countries it also encompasses pale-complexioned non-Caucasoid groups such as light euro-mestizos, quadroons, octoroons in the Americas, or dark to extremely dark-complexioned non-European sub-groups of Caucasoids such as Middle Easterners and North Africans.
White is sometimes also used to describe the purported common ethnicity of these people, generally as a term of self-identification.
In North America, and to a lesser extent other countries, the term Caucasian is used for "white" people. Anglo-Saxon is a less commonly used synonym, and generally implies, and inaccurately incudes, other Northern European ancestries not deriving from England.”

Let me tell you one thing for you that had no access to books or school. Many centuries ago, Romans soldiers were visiting England. Since they were far away from home, the extremely white women (meaning, lacking skin pigmentation) were the only available in the area. Ugh, oh well, the story got interesting when those "skin pigmentation" deficient women suddenly started caring Roman's babies. The situation lasted for centuries.

Capice?

Got a crush on Osama,do you? Well I promise that if you put on a vest and blow yourself and your computer up, you will get 72 virgin Osamas in heaven! he he he he he
Everyone f**k Chimp Keol!!!!

The absurd, random mass murder of young and old, male and female is its trademark. The boundaries between reasoning and humanity are blurred, as political demands get wedded to criminal methods.

Sorry Chimp, but here you are describing your heros, Al Queda ( see daily news from all over the world)
Go f**k your pig!

You're telling me Sicilians are white?
Its a short swim across from Africa.
Bahahahaha

Give these american magoots what they have coming.

"You're telling me Sicilians are white? "
"Its a short swim across from Africa."

Man (or Woman?), I am not sure whether you are racist but, definitely, you are ignorant. Then Americans and Europeans come to this forum to call us, Brazilians, underdeveloped. Go read some books on Anthropology, please, and then come back to this forum with some knowledge.

Cristaldo is an ignoramus. Why is that?

Well we need one good Brazilian alone with a good made in Brazil long range rifle and LUla will be a good exemple! yes he may be not guilty, but brazil people needs to show them that we mean business!!

Every country has the president they deserve and in my sincere opinion they are all s**t ! That is the reason why the human-being is destroying himself: because there are only BIG SELFISH s**tS governing the world!

I don't get it