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...Valerio made loans...tens of loans...from contracts he got and will get from state agencies !This was clearly demonstrated over and over again !!!!!

For the remaining amounts, no one will ever know as long as your "justice" give a habeus corpus to the pollticians investigated !!!

That protect them to give the truth to the investigators !!!!

BUT AGAIN, WHO CARES AS NOBODY WILL BE PUNISHED, FINED OR EXPULSED ANYWAY ????

SOME SAID IT ALL :IT WILL ALL END UP IN THE PIZZA...AS USUAL...WELL COOKED !!!!

The mensalao was claimed to be a $12,000 monthly payment to non-PT legislators for votes. I have read of Valerio's money laundering and his loans to politicians. I've read of illegal campaign funding involving Valerio. I've read of corruption by many politicians of many of Brazil's parties (though conspicuously absent from articles is the party affliation mentioned when a non-PT politician is involved, see, e.g. above "House Speaker Severino Cavalcanti" never identified by his party affiliation). I have never read of evidence that $12,000 per month was paid to anyone in exchange for votes, i.e., I've not seen any evidence of the so-called mensalao. Yet, articles like this one assume its existence. Pardon me if this is so, but have I missed news proving that anyone was paid $12,000 per month by the PT in exchange for support of PT legislation? Thanks.

...today article, in the same Brazzil.com referring to Dirceu that said sunday :

Mr. Dirceu added that President Lula took part in PT discussions to craft a political alliance policy whereby it could rule, as it did not have a majority in Congress. These were allegedly the internal negotiations that gave rise to the scheme to buy votes of non-PT congressmen to support Lula's largely socialist agenda.

There is even more evidences should you read his statement...carefully !!!!!

Furthermore why do you believe that the CPI, after their investigations, want 20 members of the Congress...to be expulsed ?????

Because they found them....innocent ?????

So.please stop closing your eyes and put your hands into the holes of your ears !!!!!
This is exactly what your politicians are expecting from you.....to hide their true tricks and dirty games !!!!!

Also why do these politicians get the habeus corpus...which effectively means that they are not obliged to answer questions...if their answers would incriminate themselves ???????? Come...on ! No need to be very smart...to understand this protection given to them !
Wake up, stand up...unless you are part of one of the political gangs.... !!!!!!

And for Valerio and his loans.....why were loans given.... WELL AFTER...the elections ??? Smile............

You have not missed news...if you dont read the many ones published... everywhere ...including in this site...not later than today..and so many earlier !!!!

Could be that the money is coming from a foreign interest (country, group or organization) willing to destabilize the leftist Brazilian government? Could it be also that Robert Jefferson is actually acting in their behalf by blowing the whistle and cause all the political crises?

What would be best way a foreign group or another government could use to destabilize such a politically fragile country like Brazil?

Just wondering!

accepted by the PT party....to destabilize the country ???????

Come on ! Be smarter !

Just read what nobody else but.... Dirceu himself said !!!!!!!!



Please just read the brazilian news. Money did not come from Jefferson....he got money...he did not pay money ! dont confuse who paid and who got money !

Some of the money came from Valerio...through loans to the PT party...BEFORE AND AFTER the presidential
elections !!!!! Why...after ???? smile......

Dont put your head in the sand...and see/hear/read/smell....nothing !!!!

…accepted by the PT party....

No, accepted by some criminal members of the PT Party. They would not care where the money is coming from, really.

I am not saying that Jefferson is the one paying the money. What I am saying is that they used him to blow the whistle and he is collaborating directly or indirectly with the plot.

Consider the possibility for a moment that someone out there wants Brazil to sink pretty deeply and how would that be possible without promoting a military coup d'état? By using the Brazil’s traitors (AKA, politicians) to corrupt and therefore destabilize the political systems. Obviously, Lula popularity is dropping.

Sounds farfetched? Go and read books on History. They have plenty of examples about political evil plots.

The scheme could be well organized and would not be so simply evident that some international corruptors are acting behind the curtains.

As you see, I am not denying the corruption scandal. I am not blaming the foreigners. I am blaming our corrupting politicians.

They may be so corrupt that they would accept money from a foreign organization or country; they would not care at all. They are evil doers.

Just wondering.

First of all, I am an American that loves Brasil. I am married to a Brasilian and we hope to move there in 2 more years.
I am delighted about this "scandal"
Not because I want to see 'bad' in Brasil, but I see this as "good".
Democracy does not mean that "only" everyone votes. Brasil must hold it's politicians accountable and this is a "sign". American politics are far from perfect, as are everone else's, but to hold politicians accounatable is the only way to 'true" Democracy". Here in the US we have Congerssmen in jail that have done wrong. I hope Brasil will use this opportunity to DEMAND accountability from politicians and achieve the greatness they are capable of.
With the human and natural resources that Brasil holds, they are completely capable of being just as rich and a "Superpower" just as the US.

And I agree with you. The scandal I see in Brazil is actually good in many senses. They serve the purpose of teaching some necessary lessons to our people. We need to become stronger politically, socially and as a nation however our path to achieve that status looks too painful and troubled sometimes.

Most Brazilians wish we could send all those politicians to a long term in jail, believe me. Brasilia would not dare to run a universal referendum for that matter.

Hi, I am another Brasilian worker who slaves away in a corporation and pays his annual sindicate fees as a union member and receive absolutely nothing in return that I can see of in terms of tangible service from the sindicate(not even a newsletter?). Now with 50,000,000+ sindicate members in Brasil, each paying R$100+ per year to there sindicates for very little or no service, you can they have a little surplus left over eh? That would make R$500,000,000 p.a. in sindicate fees less cost of running sindicate union (say 25%), it still leaves R$375,000,000 to throw at politicians to buy votes supporting the PT in parliament. That should cover the mensalação for a few politicians would you not think?
John

I'm sorry, but no one has answered my question, though I think the person who wrote "Please read carefully" thought he/she was doing so.

"Mr. Dirceu added that President Lula took part in PT discussions to craft a political alliance policy whereby it could rule, as it did not have a majority in Congress." Well, I don't find this surprising or damning in any way. Of course Lula needed to form an alliance to get legislation passed!

"These were allegedly the internal negotiations that gave rise to the scheme to buy votes of non-PT congressmen to support Lula's largely socialist agenda." Note the word "allegedly." I think YOU need to read more carefully. Alleged by whom? Are the allegations supported by any evidence? I haven't seen any.

I haven't seen anything about someone being expelled because of the so-called mensalao. I may be wrong, but show me please.

There was no mensalão, right? No one can show me where that was proven.

Even Jefferson's initial allegations have been amended after the fact by the press to say he alleged a mensalão AND campaign financing irregularities. But I don't see in early articles where he made those other allegations. It was always the mensalão.

Now, I'm glad Jefferson was caught being the criminal he is and that he made even false accusations, becuase it cuased people in Brazil to wake up and go after corruption. But it turns out most of the corruption is not in the PT camp.

And, Lula hasn't been implicated in ANY corruption. He's honest, though he's working in the historic pig stye of political corruption that is Brazilia.

Viva Lula!

the 12,000 per month sounds like lobbying in the usa

Obvious from today`s news. It was Cuba. And likely Venezuela.