Brazzil

Nothing more fascist than a typical Brazilian socialist. Nothing more socialist than a typical Brazilian fascist.

Whether you think Chagas is, one thing is for sure: He is against the economic experiences of the most developed countries in the world.

He is a sad picture of the xenophobic nationalist, anti-free-market mentality, shared by 99,9% of the political elites in Brazil.

"Which public expenditures, paleface? " Come on, unless you've been living under a rock, you know that the vast majority of Brazilian revenue goes to fund public pensions (and it's getting worse). That's the main reason there is so little money for infrastucture and social programs such as public health and education. Until that changes, there will reason to expect that anything in those areas is going to improve.

US infrastructure and economic power grew because of massive public expenditures such as Panama Canal, TVA, interstate highways. The US middle class grew when it was the last producer standing after WW2.Even more economic diversity ensued when it was not in free trade agreements, when unions were strong, and when there wa s strong industrial base. It also grew when the government implemented a system of income tax which could fund all these programs. The great strides in what made the USA a world power was not attrributed to free trade internationally but free commerce within the country to make a strong domestic economy. The current FTAA will only be an obsticle for smart growth. It will only deepen class divisions, and it will make large corporations wealthier at the expense of public spending and tax revenue. Use the USA as an example to build your economy but don't use the propaganda version. Don't be forced to sign agreements that you know are not fair and don't allow bankers to determine how far your country can climb.

There is absolutely nothing on his text against "the economic experiences of the most developed countries in the world". Where you got that from, we are still about to find out.
And the political elites in Brazil are the PFL and PSDB. During the eight years of F.H. Cardosos' government, these conservative right wing elites promoted the abrupt opening of Brazil's market without preparing the country first, all in concordance with the Washington Consensus and to the delight of the popes of neoliberalism. Lula and the PT are carrying it on.
Neoliberalism is something that the rich countries shove upon poor and developing countries while not applying to their own. These is especially true when regarding Europe and Japan and not anymore in the US, where, with the Bush administration, neoliberalism has been adopted and the result was an big increase in the distance that separates the poor and the rich. The convervative, right wing and oligarchic political elites of Brazil (as well as the rest of LatAm) have for almost a century now ruled the country and never once disobbeyed the United Stateds wishes, not because it is submissive, but because they share the same interests. Now, why someone from abroad claims that "99,9% of the political elites in Brazil" have a "xenophobic nationalist, anti-free market mentality" and insinuates that these elites are the enemies of Washington, that I will probably die before I understand.
Seriously, if you trully want to understand the country, I recommend "Raízes do Brazil", by Sergio Buarque de Holanda and "História do Brasil", by prof. Bóris Fausto. I think you can find them in English if you look by the author's names.
And by the way, fascist is how you call an extreme right wing. The term fits better George W. Bush with his ethnocentric cruzade than a radical left wing such as Carlos Chagas.

f**k the imperialist gringos and the IMF and World Bank -

all you neoliberal right wing racist oligarchic gringo loving nut blancos - here is the response from the campesions and socialist and real people friendly masses - "get lost and go and live in nazi germany".

the gringo imperialists and their lackeys in the form of brazil's neo-liberal and blanco oligarchy have done nothing short but exploit the poor, the campesinos, the indigenous, the black, the pardo, and other peoples of color for over 513 years.

all your policy includes is simply cutting taxes for the rich even more and make the rich even more richer and the poor even poorer than they are! and then you bastards support right wing oligarchic and destructive and racist government and counterrevolutionaries in countries against left leaning, people loving, and humane comrades and heroes throughout latin america and the world, where socialists win political victories.

well f**k YOU, you imperialists and the oligarchic lackeys of the imperialist gringos.

we needs a marxist, soclialst and communist revolution in brazil and we need to take over all the fazendas and haciendas of the blanco oligarchy and elite, and then redistribute the land amongst the poor campesinos, as comrade joao stedile is doing now with MST, and comrades hugo chavez and comrade evo morales and comrade danioel ortega has done or will be doing in venezuela, bolivia, and nicaragua respectively,

viva la revolucion! viva fidel castro! viva marxism!

down with right wing racist gringo imperialism! down with the IMF and the racist and exploitary World Bank! down with evil and capitalistic big corporations, which pillage the nature, the people, and the land and the waters and the airs for their own corporate greed and interests!

Man i am not any of the things you describe...but you know what......you sound so stupid...i am surprised you can write in english

Proper prior preparation prevents pisspoor perfromance....

Sorry but brasil is full of it!

"here is the response from the campesions and socialist and real people friendly masses"

Your just not educated and smart enough!

Laughable the defense of the campesinos and the idiots who follow marxism and such. Just look at the countries under capitalism and compare them with the countries in ex iron curtain. I wonder why they changed if things were so nice overthere. You have shown your level of intelligence by defecating on the paper as demonstrated by your language. You useful idiots want to get to power and then screw those you cheated in the way up as clearly demonstrated by PT and the likes of Jose Dirceu and so on. Go back to your hole you piece of comunist s**t and stop making such a bad representation of a political approach that could otherwise have some theoretical merits.

Well, I am not sure what is the model for a marxist revolution but the Left does have a point of the failure of neoliberalism in Brazil. The promise was to end hyperinflation yet also bring about rapid economic growth. While the conquest of hyperinflation is won the growth part of the equation lacks. To be frank, Brazil's pension system has serious flaws but you can not blame it for the reason the government lacks money. The deficit of the pension system is roughly 38 to 40 billion reais, about 19 billion dollars. In 1994, the debt was roughly 120 billion dollars but 2002 the debt had reached roughly 350 billion dollars! The pension system contributed heavily to this debt but it is clearly the interest rates on the debt that accumulated heavily over the 8 years that caused the rapid escalation of debt. Also, in order to compensate for the high debt increase the government of Cardoso had to hike taxation almost across the board to keep with increased expenditures. The tax rate went up from roughly 26 per cent to 35 percent. No doubt about it, Lula's pension reforms and the governments new role to cut on waste and fraud is needed but the internal debt continues to rise because of the high interest rate policy in place that Lula promised to change but was unsuccessful or refused to change. Now,in an Economist article back in 1999, it talks about the budget deficit being 8 percent and this being the main reason capital was fleeing Brazil since 1998. Yet, as the Economist points of that 8 percent deficit, 7 percent was made of interest payments and not increased government spending. Now, Lula has not changed this because he has decided to stick with stability over any attempt to alter the economic situation. So, I feel like my beliefs lie in a restricted govt intervention in the economy yet the neoliberal concept of trade especially promoting exports is essential to long-term economic growth and maintaining democratic institutions is also essential to long-term development. I guess I am not Marxist yet I believe that their economic policy is wrong they were successful in land reform, providing basic education to their populace so overall it might be a failure but not a total one. Also, although Cuba maintains a very poor and desperate country that people want to flee the US embargo has a lot to do with its economic failures although you cant only blame the US.

Imperialist gringos? Meddling? You are so delusional! At least your ignorance is amusing.

After all that we have seen in the past regarding Communism, Marxism etc we know one thing Brazil does not need it. What happened to the Soviet union? and all the countries that pursued it? When I hear people saying Vive la revolution, they obviously do not know history or understand that this wonderful concept of equality goes out of the window as soon as it's put into practice. You just change one lot of Imperialists for red ones.

It's interesting listening to old communists who served under Stalin, how they see la revolution....

Does Brazil really want that??

You planted the seeds....now bear its fruits.

George Bush...The #1 Terrorist in the World, down with the USA!

It would good to see Brazil and South America prosper
I think you are right about rejecting Communism. Adopting a Marxist model is simply trading one form of exploitation for an even more sinister one.
see for some inside information on communsim, Any one who has followed the persecution of Falun Gong will know the tempest that Brazil would be inviting upon itself if it took this path

http://ninecommentaries.com/
there are other alternatives. try this

interesting reading about Neo-Libs in South America

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/11/09/1526251

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article5428.htm

www http://globaldialoguecenter.co...53b072cdf8


www.proutistuniversal.org

It would good to see Brazil and South America prosper
I think you are right about rejecting Communism. Adopting a Marxist model is simply trading one form of exploitation for an even more sinister one.
see for some inside information on communsim, Any one who has followed the persecution of Falun Gong will know the tempest that Brazil would be inviting upon itself if it took this path

http://ninecommentaries.com/
there are other alternatives. try this

interesting reading about Neo-Libs in South America

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/11/09/1526251

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article5428.htm

www http://globaldialoguecenter.co...53b072cdf8


www.proutistuniversal.org

Good Lord the posters above are all complete loonies. Completely moronic. Truely amazing.

Do you think it would be good for Brasil to default on foreign debt? I would bet ..no..because Brasil would hurt itself the most short term ..and long term what would be accomplished...look at Argentina 3 years of hell and still going strong..Hell that is...go there live there..you will not want the same for Brasil.. but of course from the safety of a newspaper or TV
it doesn´t matter what is happening in Argentina..but if it happens like that here...Argentina had to default Brasil doesn´t have too...just pay the nmoneyt back and don´t get into debt again...but that is impossible for governments ...right or left

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