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The Brazilian Mating Game: You Can't Win It!. PDF Print E-mail
Written by Robin Sparks   
Thursday, 09 March 2006 21:37

Globo soap operaA few hours after saying goodbye to my son before he boarded a bus in Rio, I was on a GOL plane headed to Northeastern Brazil. A debonnaire Brazilian man I'd met and spoken to briefly in the airport, tapped me on the shoulder shortly after takeoff. He said he had arranged for the seat next to him to be vacated and would I like to sit next to him? Why not? I thought and followed him down the isle to his seat.

The thing about traveling alone is that you'll talk to just about anybody after awhile. Especially when that anybody looks like Júlio and happens to live in the city where you are headed. Talking to Júlio on the plane would give me a preview of Fortaleza, a city of almost 3 million located several thousand miles north of Rio on the coast of Brazil.

After I wedged myself in next to Júlio, he began to tell me about his business and progressed to his dreams for his future. I looked down at his hand. (I haven't been single all that long, and so sometimes I forget.) Yep. There it was, the golden signifier that he was collared.

"So you're married?" I said. "Sure," he answered, casually telling me that she was his third, and he hoped final wife, and that she'd be at the airport to pick him up. OK, I thought, a little disappointed. Júlio, then, was friendship material, nothing more.

The sleeping pill kicked in and I began to nod off. Júlio said, touching his shoulder, "You can put your head here."

I just smiled, blew up my little neck thing and placed it behind my neck. When we arrived, Júlio gave me his number and said to call if I needed anything, anything at all.

Júlio's behavior didn't surprise me all that much. Brazilian men have a reputation for incongruity with monogamy. And Brazilian women are (no surprise) prone to extreme jealousy.

My first sign of what were to me, bizarre Brazilian mating rituals, was at an outdoor musical concert in Paraty. A woman suddenly appeared between me and a man who upon hearing I was American, had begun practicing his English on me. I said to the woman, "Hi, do you speak English too?" She held a clenched fist up to my face.

I took that as a No.

A few weeks later, a Canadian whose business was helping foreigners settle in Fortaleza, had to sneak away from his young Brazilian wife to show me around the city. He glanced at his watch furtively and said he had to be quick. "Why don't you bring her with you?" I asked. "Uh, she would never understand," he said.

There was the foursome in Fortaleza - two men, two women, the latter glaring at me when I approached their table to interview the men, who had forgotten to tell them I was coming. One of the women kicked her boyfriend under the table because he kept looking at me when he was answering my questions.

Two days after inviting me to join them on a journey to Jericoacoara, all four suddenly stopped speaking to me. When I saw one of the men a few nights later at a nightclub, he apologized saying that his wife had become insanely jealous, sure that I had fallen in love with him. Amazing! It would have been plausible if he was anywhere near my age, even remotely attractive, or single.

The Brazilian Mating Game. It's a game I don't get.

Robin Sparks has traveled to over 23 countries in seven years in search of the perfect expat haven. She is editor of Escape Artist Travel Magazine, www.EscapeArtist.com. She is teaching a writing workshop along with the executive editor of Travelers Tales Books, aboard a Turkish gulet in the Mediterranean June 3-10, 2006. Go to her site, www.robinsparks.com, and click on Journal for more information. Workshops fill fast so don’t delay!

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With all respect...
written by Guest, March 10, 2006
you don't get anything in Brazil, let alone the "dating game"!! Stick around for a few years Robin, and let's see another report on the tropical paradise you call Brasil, with it's slave laborers and cities full of prostitutes. Went to Fortaleza huh?? So you got a little taste of what I'm talking about! And don't be so naive, why do you think brasilians are SO jealous?? It's not only the men that constantly cheat, it's the women too!!
With all respect...
written by Guest, March 10, 2006
Slave laborers? If they're getting paid they're not slaves any more than guest workers here are. And what's wrong with being a prostitute? No one puts shame on them there, that's why they have a fairly low AIDS rate, and there is no shame in any labor that does not hurt anyone and feeds a family.

I have heard about this. All one has to say to a married person is that one has a boyfriend/girlfriend, but not that one is married, because they apparently see marriage as a practical end, romance having ended at the relationship. That's why he said he was married and still went on to try to connect with her like that. I don't see why people even get married then! Come on Brazil what's up with that? Anyway that's not unique to Brazil, you will find infidelity everywhere.
Been there,, Done that
written by Guest, March 10, 2006
Having been married to a Brasilian women, I have experience the insane jealousy first hand. I wasnt even allowed to watch TV shows that had good looking women in them.

Divorced in Philadelphia
Please stop . .
written by Guest, March 10, 2006
“They told him don't you ever come around here
Don't wanna see your face, you better disappear
The fire's in their eyes and their words are really clear
So beat it, just beat it”

Robin, my dear girl, your pink, feathery anecdotes are something most serious readers have little interest in enduring, and only a handful of very green, expectant tourists to South America’s own little slice of heaven would trust such drivel. Not only do you fail to understand Brazil’s Dating Game, you fail to understand its socio-political/economic game, and let’s not forget its companion game, Payoffs and Bribes (formerly known as Chutes and Ladders). You have failed to recognize the gravitas of the state of the Federal Republic of Brazil in general.

JaJa thinks he understands the complexities of America’s meddling and Jim and Debbie have quaint little quarrels concerning Dems and Republicans while preparing a garden salad for the night’s barbeque, but that is a scenario completamente fora da realidade of many a Brazilian. I find it irresponsible to promote Brazil as some kind of enormous retirement village where Americans can interact with other privileged Americans from Crested Butte or Breckenridge or ex-hippies turned capitalists like JaJa. What kind of contact to Jim, Deb and JaJa have with the classe baixo other than cleaning ladies and the baba? Your posts offer the casual tourist an enchanting view of beach life from a distance, but when you get past the tantalizing “bunda” and latin (machista) mystique, it all seems different, harder somehow.

Please be kind enough to include recent Globo reports on 10 and 11-year-old girls being used as virtual sex slaves on the streets of that wonderful Northeastern paradise called Fortaleza. Kindly be evenhanded and portray Brazilian society as one which is largely suffering from wide scale corruption and graft. You don’t seem hard pressed to portray American society as the 4th Reich but sunny Brazil is definitely the place for you. Forget the moneymaking scheme you have going with Escape Artist just once and write a piece with some hint of journalistic integrity, as indeed you claim to offer writing workshops.

In your next report, be sure to include some footnote making reference to the weakening of every major currency against the Real (an emerging development that absolutely shatters the myth of a US$ 30,000 home complete with servant’s quarters and a 4 car garage for your Bentley and Maserati). Please mention that Brazil’s indigenous people are threatening to overrun that plot of land you THINK you own and last but not least please show some concern over the impact Brazil’s growth will have on the ecosystem. It amazes me that a chunk of the Amazon the size of Massachusetts disappeared last year so a few thousand head of cattle can graze that gutted land for 3 years before it is forever sterilized. You mention Brazil’s natural resources as if they are eternal and are found lying about for any old person to pick up and sell. Mines must be dug, oil platforms (one of which sank not too long ago) must be constructed and more virgin land must be taken under cultivation in order to grow more soy so they can feed 1.3 billion Chinese who in turn produce cheap textiles to dump on Brazil’s fragile market. But I digress. These are complexities best left to people who don’t work for some fly-by-night website that sells cotton candy dreams . . .

I know Brazilians and Brazilo-philes from around the world will be all over me for writing this one, but I could not take another fluff piece from this shameless self-promoter. I actually write this post thinking about the people who may actually be reading this in Sweden or the United States and take what Robin writes to heart. Don’t get me wrong – I love Brazil. I have spent some of the best days of my life there. I married a Brazilian woman and have made lifelong friends there but I do not think the majority of retirees and entrepreneurs are ready for the realities of Brazil. Time and again Robin presents an image of Brazil that does not agree with that which many of us who have lived there know. If you think you will come down and find Jim and Debbie inviting you into their home to jabber on about W then you are sadly mistaken. If you think that is really what Brazil has to offer then stay in Crested Butte. Come down, enjoy, make contacts and cautiously think about making a small investment in a small apartment if you really take to it. Don’t come down expecting to find a mansion in the rough with neighbors like JaJa and Jim and Debbie. You will discover all the natural beauty and human warmth that Robin describes but you will also face a mammoth bureaucracy replete with corruption. Robin, please leave the “think” pieces (and I use that term lightly) to people who have a realistic approach to describing Brazil for people considering relocation.
Re: Please stop...
written by Guest, March 10, 2006
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written by Guest, March 10, 2006
Have to agree with the above comments. Well said, and a far better read than the original article.
keep writting.
written by Guest, March 10, 2006
ALMOST all of us want to know how it goes for you in brazil ,although for different reasons.

To anyone thinking about going to live in brazil, go and stay there for a while first to see if you like it or not before investing your money there. . Relax and look at the time you spend on the beach as an investment in yourself .
most have this much sense anyway , and i am sure even super optimistic Robin has not taken all her money there.
jealousy solved
written by Guest, March 10, 2006
I too had problems with my jealous brasilian wife. She didn't like me looking at other women at all. I told her that she would have to learn to live with it since I like variety and that I don't mind if she looks at other men. Well, for my birthday, she got another woman, we went to a motel and had a great time for 2 hours. She told me I can fool around but only if she is there with me. Sounded great to me and what a wonderful way to solve the problem. Also, I told her we can go to swing parties if she wants another man, but she's not their yet.
Re:jealousy solved
written by Guest, March 10, 2006
This will surely end in disaster for you.
to the idiot...
written by Guest, March 10, 2006
who obviously didn't get the statement, "with its slave laborers", he wasn't talking about prostitutes, he was talking about REAL SLAVES!!! Brazil has them you know, TODAY, they've freed aproximately 10,000 of them in the last 4 years!!

And to the person who wrote "Please Stop", hear, hear!!! You have to love these people that write these fluff pieces out of their own personal self-interest and not give a damn about speaking the reality that exists. Only to persuade some to come here and get robbed, cheated and stolen from by the masses of catholic christians who follow jesus' examples!!
to the idiot
written by Guest, March 10, 2006
slaves are people who work 9 to 5 in any jobs in Brasil or US.
Re. Please Stop..
written by Guest, March 10, 2006
What a super response to this pathetic excuse of an article. I really think it´s unfair that Sparky uses this site to conduct a form of "stealth advertising" on behalf of her employers. Those poor saps that actually believe any of this patronizing tosh and possibly consider making life changing decisions to move to Brazil would be in for an unpleasant shock once they arrived. However, I´m that sure Sparky would be well on her merry way long before that to discover an even better exotic real estate paradise like Paraguay maybe.
Mind you, we must be careful not to upset her too much as she´s obviously well connected. Take Julio for example who has the sinister ability to arrange "for the seat next to him to be vacated". Does that mean that there´s the crumpled body of some poor sod lying hidden in a Gol storage locker, minus his boarding ticket of course.
So, Sparky, I echo the advice of my learned colleague....please stop!
I´m sure you´re a really nice person, so strong and motivated with such a big, open heart that gives so much to so many, but your articles are bloody awful.
LOL!!!!
written by Guest, March 10, 2006
Thanks for the props mate. That post just kinda flowed like wine once I got rolling. I begged her to stop, not once, not twice but three times now! I can tell you share my sentiments and are equally put off by this kind of shameless, high school newspaper journalism. Escape Artist has turned up several times while researching foreign real-estate and travel and each time I could not help but think "Con Artist". I was really LMAO regarding your brilliant comment about Julio. I wasn't sure if that was a joke on her part at first but you certainly put a fine point on it. Bravo!
to the idiot..
written by Guest, March 11, 2006
"slaves are people who work 9 to 5 in any jobs in Brasil or US."

No, not quite bud, you need to go to the northeast or northcentral part of brazil and see slaves working in sugar cane fields, and in some cases, die from exhaustion, dehydration, etc. I wouldn't quite compare that to a 9-5!! Unless you're the type that compares getting your photograph and fingerprints taken to "the worst horrors committed by the Nazi's", then that would put your statement into some perspective!
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written by Guest, March 11, 2006
Quote ' Please show some concern over the impact Brazil’s growth will have on the ecosystem.'

thats made my day! A Yankee worried about the enviroment, the most greedy energy guzzling people on planet earth - hilarious.

For Robin got any repsonse to the ripping you are getting here for your stories?
Re: Please stop...
written by Guest, March 11, 2006
Excellent response to this dough-eyed drivel.
Quote \"A Yankee worried about . . \"
written by Guest, March 11, 2006
I guess being an American precludes one from having any concern for the environment eh? It's too bad that there always seems to be one or two misinformed, generalizing haters that just can't be satisfied -ever. I suppose if I were Canadian or Swedish that statement would have gone down better. I guess there cannot also exist peace activists because we are at war, equal rights leaders because we are still dealing with issues of race or otherwise responsible human beings because our corporations are greedy, energy guzzling entities either?

One can look at your post and almost imagine what a sad, frustrated and petty person you are. You don't give a s**t about the environment either otherwise you would have actually made a suggestion - I don't know - done something more than make a lame ad-hominum attack. The fact is you just wanted to bash an American. Am I right? Let me ask you another question - do you have many friends?

Next time I will sign my post Ralph Nader - will that meet with your approval? Or is he not green enough for such an environmental sophisticate like you who probably drives a Toyota pickup (LOL!) It is no secret that America is the most energy guzzling country on earth and it is also no secret that hypocrites around the world have sharp criticisms of its vast petro-chemical consumption, yet I don't hear any country complain when America buys their gas guzzling cars, buys their Rolls Royce jet engines or even buys their oil. Where is the outrage directed at the "responsible" countries that support our energy consumption? Everyone wants the US to get on board with Kyoto (something I happen to agree with) but absolutely NO FOREIGN COMPANY wants to see that cut into their bottom line now do they? Why isn't America simply cut off if the world is so distraught over our over-consumption of oil? Could it be that other countries are equally greedy for American dollars or would drop to 3rd world status overnight if the greedy, lard ass Americans up and stopped consuming? - like the Saudis? For crying out loud Chavez crucifies America on a daily basis but still sells us oil to finance some "do-gooder" projects back home. Is that not hypocrisy to call us the evil capitalist empire yet take advantage of that exact free market system he publicly derides while privately exploiting to the tune of $61 a barrel? Funny thing about this whole argument is that the US is the largest producer and consumer of goods in the world and everybody hates us for one reason or the other. Either we consume too much and are LARD ASSES (personal favorite) pigs or we use too many resources to produce things like the computer you typed that spiteful drivel of a post or the tennis shoes you put on your feet. Which is it pal? Shall the US stop producing and consuming altogether? You and I both know the day that America stops consuming energy to produce and drive European and Japanese cars is the day the whole world economic system collapses. I am no fan of my own country by most rights, but I am wise enough to know that if we go down, you go down. Funny you also failed to mention China (which burns more coal than we do oil) and is a horribly polluted as a result of that and India, which is desperately looking for more oil from any source (not to mention F-16 and F-18 handouts from the US).

The fact is that at this moment more than 4 countries are trying to reach US level capitalist standards and that will require them consumming evermore resources to get on the same footing. Let's hear you level some criticism against the benign Chinese or Russians . .

If I had to guess I would say you are most likely someone who just got dumped by an American girl and is just plain angry. By the way what kind of car do you own? Do you purchase things that are petro-chemical derivatives or do you swaddle yourself in hemp clothing and travel about lecturing other people on their failings. You must be a genuinely (and I say this in a constructive way) ignorant person if you honestly believe that simply because I am American I don't have any environmental inclinations. If you don't believe that American environmentalists exist I invite you to visit San Francisco, CA or Boulder, CO and spew that crap there and see who runs, bikes or rollerblades you right out of town. . .
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written by Guest, March 11, 2006
Why are Americans so quick to disparage the mating and dating practices of other cultures? America is the country with one of the highest divorce rates in the country so why are they trying to criticize Brazilian marriages? Why bother to try and win or even to participate in the Brazilian mating game? Americans should just date and mate with other Americans and that would solve the problem.
I\'m the \"idiot\"
written by Guest, March 11, 2006
If you read the comment I responded to, you would see that the person mentioned BOTH slaves AND prostitutes. If you're going to call someone an idiot, at least try not to make it so easy to put the finger in the other direction.

Cutting sugar cane does not a slave make. Or else African American sharecroppers would be called slaves, not sharecroppers, and slavery would have been said to have ended much later. Neither are prisons by the way, who are on total lockdown and get "freed".

Please provide evidence of Brazilian slavery. It was abolished in 1888. There is slavery in Mauritania. Real slavery 100,000 slaves. There was possibly slavery in Sudan. There was slavery in Saudi Arabia until 1962. SLAVERY not just what anyone interprets as being a slave as in "slaving over a hot stove" or being a sheltered princess who can't take the heat as the Brazilian sun beams down. Please back up what you have to say because according to Dinesh D'Souza there is no slavery there.

Besides this article was about dating and mating. What the hell? I'm not defending this possible con artist but can she not have anything positive to say about the people's place?? They watch soap operas, are the soap operas irresponsible because it's not the raw scoop?
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written by Guest, March 11, 2006
Everyone knows all Yankees are surplus racisit parasitic slobs feeding off the noble poor of the world. If they do not cooperate you kill them. End of.
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written by Guest, March 11, 2006
Everyone knows all Yankees are surplus racisit parasitic slobs feeding off the noble poor of the world. If they do not cooperate you kill them. End of.

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written by Guest, March 11, 2006
Everyone knows all Yankees are surplus racisit parasitic slobs feeding off the noble poor of the world. If they do not cooperate you kill them. End of.
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written by Guest, March 11, 2006
There it is 3 times - now you look 3 times as stupid. Back to your coloring books little fella. Leave the serious discussion for the men ok?
Robin\'s article
written by Guest, March 11, 2006
Well, I have to say after reading Robin's articles on Brazil....I have to agree alot with what "Please stop" wrote. Robin's articles do not give the whole picture....anybody contemplating moving to Brazil because it sounds fun and so exciting etc without knowing the harsh realities that exist will be in for a surprise. If all you do is hang out with the Ex-Pats - then surely one will never really know who things are. The articles that Robin writes are for EscapeArtist magazine and are obviously written to entertain and generate interest. I for one would not like to be responsible for influencing somebody to come to Brazil....without giving them a realistic idea of what life is actually like here.
No more pain
written by Guest, March 11, 2006
Her news reports are like turds that just won´t flush away!
Difficulty
written by Guest, March 11, 2006
Thats because turds are more diffucult to flush in Brazil. That is why it is necessary to throw the toilet paper in the basket next to the toilet bowl-a considerably complicated process
to the idiot..
written by Guest, March 11, 2006
http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/5741/53/


And if you google the topic you'll find United Nations reports on it. You should also find that recently a federal politician was caught with over 500 such "employees", or slaves.

You can call it whatever you want, slavery, indentured servitude, or slave labor. And yes, it is illegal, and YES, it exists even today!! In the last 5 years you will find that authorities here have freed some 10,000 workers in these circumstances.....and it's just a fraction of what actually exists.

Obviously, you don't know too much about brazil, because if you lived here, you would already know this.
Dumb
written by Guest, March 11, 2006
sounds like you were dealing with a bunch of uncultured low lives. Why do Americans always deal with the sub-culture as if that was representative of Brazil. Go Interview educated, intelligent executives, middle and upper class people and you won't run into any fists on your face.
You interview "rale" what do you expect. Get a clue.
Re: Re: Please Stop
written by Guest, March 11, 2006
Whoever the eloquent writer was above who wrote "Re : Please Stop" made a good point when they mentioned that most or all of the major currencies are weakening against the real. Last time I checked it was trading at 2.13 reais per dollar. This seems significant since the cost of living in Brazil has effectively gone up for Americans. I wonder, does anyone here, including the author of "Re : Please Stop" know why major currencies have been weakening against the Real? Thanks.
RedMeanie
written by Guest, March 12, 2006
Leftist, Libreal moonbat alert !

The guy who wrote the 1,000,000,000 word sermon in response to this article is a pathetic liberal whiner.

Complaining about oil platforms,, what the hell !!!!

Is Brazil not supposed to seek energy independence? Is it supposed to be foreever dependent on the despicable oil bag sheiks for their energy? Never mind the billions of $ sent out of the country to pay for this stuff.
And complaining abount the appreciation of the Real against other currencies ???!!!. Dude, by most economist's judgement that is good new. That pretty much signifies the economy is doing something right.

So your 1,000,000,000 word essay basically boils down to one big whine about Brazil having problems.Great. What earth-shattering news are you going to tells us next time? That water is wet, and the sun rises in the east? Sheeeesh !

No one right answer
written by Guest, March 12, 2006
Yet another brazil bashing thread. yawn. We've taken what in my view is a plausible experience from a Brazilian newbie, and turned it into some polarized shouting match where nearly everthing said is on the extreme edges if not entirely wrong.

"If you think that is really what Brazil has to offer then stay in Crested Butte."

That one was pretty funny. Aparently few here - while they have strong opinions - have the knowledge to back it up.

"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it
is the illusion of knowledge." Stephen Hawking

If you travel thoughout south and central america, you'll see lots of americans emigrating to a new florida if you will. That includes panama, costa rica, and yes, brazil. There is supply and demand for expats, and in this post 9 /11 fox news terrorism 24 / 7 world, its a flourishing industry.

I live in Fortaleza, and while I can't say its an immigrant city in the way of chicago, I do see expats living here. I have three EUA expat friends, and have met many more at parties. None of us are rich - we all have jobs from Brazilian companies. That does require you either to be married to a brazilian or work for a EUA company - the former being far more common but I've seen the latter enough to say it does happen.

And there are some pretty nice, exclusive, beach front closed communities here in Fortaleza - beach park comes to mind - with a noticable expat community.

To suggest anything else only identifies the idiots.

What, closed communities - 'condominium fechado' ? If you actually looked at the issue first hand, you'd see all the above countries have those. Its a non issue.

I'd like to believe that any thinking person already knows that Brazil has a large gap between rich and poor, and the country has prositutes in the tourist areas.

Confronting extremism with moderation is a lost cause. I wonder why I even try. Yawn.
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written by Guest, March 12, 2006
I admit, I am the liberal, leftist (moonbat – is that like moon zappa?) who wrote that 1,000,000,000-word essay in response to Robin's article. It seems that the some of you were in agreement with it in at least some instances. I am certain that same person who gave me that oh-so hurtful appellation was the same one who generalized "Yanks" as having absolutely no regard for the environment. The last thing I want is to be qualified as liberal, leftist or progressive – THE HORROR AND SHAME! I can only assume it’s him as he bashes my comment regarding the drilling of oil wells off the coast of Rio de Janeiro in an earlier outburst. Again it is my strong belief that this guy is a hater and would say anything to disrupt the flow of this thread regardless of what I had said. There is no correct answer, response or comment with people like this, and if they disagree with anything you have to say they immediately stoop to ad-hominum arguments (that means name calling for you RedMeanie), which are universally recognized as the product of a weak mind. I will confront him like I did before and what kind of response do you think I will get? I can carry on a more intelligent conversation with my 3-year-old nephew.

I guess as a conservative, big business oilman yourself (you are a W supporter no doubt); you think that offshore oil rigs/platforms are generally a positive thing – including the one that sank in the Roncador oil field not too long ago. Oh by the way it was the largest oil rig in the world. This was the fallout as reported by a newspaper that day:

“Diesel oil bubbled to the surface creating an extensive but very fine slick and Petrobras said all 395,000 gallons (1.5 million liters) of crude and diesel stored on and under the rig are likely to spill into the ocean as pipelines rupture and tanks explode.
``We lost the platform, it sank,'' said Petrobras president Henri Philippe Reichstul, visibly worn-out after five tense days of rescue work. ``Without a doubt, the sea conditions accelerated the process.''
Television showed survivors working on the rescue boats break down in tears as they watched their rig quietly slip into the turquoise sea. The giant green helicopter pad was the last part of the platform to disappear.
Three explosions ripped through the rig off the coast of Rio de Janeiro state last week, killing 10 of the 175 workers aboard. One worker remains in critical condition with burns on 98 percent of his body.”
Wow that does sound wonderful doesn’t it. Even to an energy guzzling, lard ass yank like myself that sounds pretty horrible. But what the f**k eh? Let’s keep on drilling in ANWR and the Black Sea until we have absolutely destroyed all marine life. I’m sure you don’t care there RedMeanie but some of us think that Brazil is moving in the right direction with alternate fuel methods (most of which I hope the first world will adopt) but that is just liberal drivel again. Sure Brazil is supposed to seek energy independence, but they are seeking to become a net exporter by the end of 2006. Petrobras is becoming the same money hungry global giant that Exxon and BP are. My comment simply implied that ecological problems are eminent when you undertake to become a net oil exporter or promote Brazil as a one-stop mineral mall to the world. It just won’t ever sink in will it? I am talking about a paradigm shift in how we deal with energy as a marketable commodity. Brazil is on the cusp of becoming energy independent without needing to become a net exporter. Sorry that has gone over your head. I guess I just don’t see why we need to extract every, single last drop of oil from the earth.
I feel I am wasting my breath trying to explain macro-economic systems to you but here goes: The rapid appreciation of the Real is not such a wonderful thing, especially not where Brazilian economists are concerned. Where on earth do you get your information – the local chamber of commerce in Mayberry? You are simply not equipped to understand the complexities of import/export but I’m sure there is one thing I can spell out for you tough guy. When the Real appreciates against the Dollar/Yen/Euro and others that makes Brazilian products more expensive and less competitive as exports. Does that make sense? Just think about it for awhile – I’m sure you’ll get it. Just quit polishing your .45 and turn off the Anne Coulter audio book and it will sink in eventually. A ton of soy which was being sold for R$300 last year costs the same to produce this year. If the exchange rate was 2.95 Reais per Dollar last year and it is now R$2.13 right now that means that the importer is paying more for the product this year. The dollar equals fewer Reais than it did previously but the farmer is still charging R$300 for a ton of soy! Therefore this necessitates more dollars to buy the same amount of soy - DOES THAT COMPUTE?? I think a 3rd grade elementary student could grasp that – but you – NOPE! Therefore many consumers will go fishing for soy that is produced more cheaply, like in a country such as Argentina, which has suppressed its currency to keep exports cheap. At the same time Brazil finds that its currency has more purchasing power. That is the “good thing” I believe you were trying to point out to all us less learned, casual posters. Well Mr. Greenspan, since you have a very selective memory concerning Brazil, let me spell out why the newfound power of the Real is only benefiting tourists and those wealthy enough to buy yachts in Miami. Inflation is an endemic problem in Brazil and a powerful currency can only spur that inflation as consumers realize that they can buy more products since imports cost less. There is a reason Brazil has some of the highest lending rates in the world. Consumer inflation would explode if they did not contain it artificially. Wait maybe I should backtrack a little for you and try and explain what inflation is. Do you even know what that means W? Never mind. I think you will be hard pressed to find many economists who think a strong currency is a good thing. If it is why are the US, China, Japan and Europe all struggling to get their currencies down. China fights tooth and nail to keep that Yuan pegged at artificially lower levels but they are stupid people and their economists have no idea what they are doing – who the hell do they think they are growing at between %7.5 - %9 a year anyway? That doesn’t have anything to do with the Yuan being pegged low do you think??
You tell me I spewed out a bunch of trivial vitriol against Brazil and that everyone know those things. Well in fact I wrote a weighted, relatively even handed counter to Robin’s simplistic, sugary-sweet article about the utopian state of Brazil. In her article you will not find any reference to the things I mentioned in my post. That means she was omitting something my learned right wing W supporter. Can I cal you W Jr. for short. You seem to be as misguided and hateful as he is.
To the poster who wanted to know why the Real is appreciating so fiercely (maybe I should leave that to RedMeanie though – he seems to have a grip on things). . There is actually no simple explanation but the fact that Brazil is offering such high returns in PIMCO bonds and other debt sale bonds means that an incredible inflow of dollars is pushing up the local currency. Emerging markets are all the rage these days because they offer such high returns but some of this should smooth out as the US begins to raise interest rates which will recall some of those dollars back to the US where people can invest in a country which, according to Moodys, is investment grade. This is also open to debate but that about sums up the supersonic rise of the Real.
Idiot?
written by Guest, March 12, 2006
According to UNESCO, slavery has been over in Brazil since 1888.
The "modern day slavery" thing refers to the Amazon villagers who work on large ranches and are caught in a cycle of deceit, that is essentially like slavery because they end up working for free. That's like a streetwalker.

I obviously do know plenty about Brazil, I am just not completely obsessed or a glutton for bad news. I focus on certain issues, because I plan to put my money where my mouth is, I don't know about you. If you're still there then what do you plan to do?
jesus are you ignorant!!
written by Guest, March 12, 2006
I've been here for a decade buddy!! In the northeast of brazil!! And NO, it's not AMAZON villagers!!! These are BLACK brazilians from Alagoas, Ceara, Mato Grosso, Pernambuco, Piaui, and the list goes on!! Men, women and children as young as 8 years old!!! and there are TENS of THOUSANDS if not hundreds of thousands of cases that STILL EXIST TODAY!!

It's like a "streetwalker"??? What in the f**k are you saying?? That a brazil FORCED into slave labor is like a "streetwalker"?? Please define streetwalker! Jesus my man, you are truly naive, and I'm sorry, but ignorant, at least as far as this topic is concerned!

Put your money where your mouth is??? For the love of god, buddy, I myeself, and other foreigners that I know, one group in particular, have invested MILLIONS of DOLLARS in this country.
Not completely obsessed or a glutton for bad news??

You'll lose your shirt quicker than you can whistle dixie. Obvsioulsy you're like the idiot who wrote this article, and want to paint brazil as a sunny paradise, and NEGLECT the REALITY that exists here!!! This country is FULL and RIPE with an ATTITUDE of corruption, not only from the politicians, it's in their society, every facet, in their culture. Impunity rules the day, it DOES matter WHO you are and WHO you know, so make some strong connections before you come my man. And believe me, those "connections" will cost you, they'll rob your naive ass blind.

According to UNESCO huh??? Jesus christ...do yourself a favor, if you're from a first world country, don't come here to live, they'll eat you alive!
Re: No one right answer
written by Guest, March 12, 2006
I totally agree. Someone would have to be completely gullible and total wimp to believe these killjoys who can't stand the sight of a place if it's not exactly what they're used to and isn't as organized as the good old U S of A. Which is why they've gayed up the US, or should I say the good ole U S of Gay. I don't mean gay as in homo, that would be cooler, this is just gayer. Someone seems to think all Americans live in places with names I've never even heard of and am not sure of how to pronounce. And in the case of Crested Butte, am not really sure that I want to.

All Americans aren't that priveleged, and all Americans aren't going there to live that life, we have our sleeves rolled up to give a s**t about these issues in a PRACTICALway. Farbeit from some here to be practical and not be neurotic as in the one who proclaims modern day slavery. Realism is a sin, Idealism is blasphemy in the States. So I'll be like that one and say that there's a Great Depression in the US, since everyone's so depressing.

When I return I'll make sure to have learned how to say lighten up, live a little, put your money where your mouth is, and the like in Portuguese if not other languages.
What??
written by Guest, March 12, 2006
FORCED to work??

Paint as modern paradise, no I've heard all about the different issues, I just don't like how people here in the First World tend to only show the bad and not good, which is what they do about my home country of Liberia.

Connections?? Why? Why wouldn't I just go through a program or school?
No one right answer
written by Guest, March 12, 2006
As per your argument that this thread has turned into a Brazil bashing free for all – I must respectfully disagree. I think discussions over slavery are better left for another thread but to suggest that Robin is introducing “plausible” scenarios is nonsense. Her relationship with Con, er, I mean Escape Artist attests to that. You may work for a Brazilian company and know ex-pats that are doing likewise but Robin is not directing this kind of article at you - the living, working, integrated ex-pat who speaks Portuguese and may even have a Brazilian spouse. In addition, the casual “I hear Brazil has nice beaches” traveler and other assorted beatniks who are “on the road” and looking for a little adventure and a nice piece of ass are not the ones buying into her dream scenarios. I would rather say it is directed at middle-age to older retirees and pensioners who believe they can find happiness in some manor house cum dream home in Brazil where a steak dinner and a beer will run you 3 Reais, all this while basking in the friendly banter of Jim, Deb and JaJa. Her first post implies a sense of community among other privileged Americans and exceptionally wealthy and well-educated Brazilians. This kind of “journalism” is rubbish and has no place here unless it is presented evenly and accurately.

When Robin makes this entry in one of her flights of fancy I will cease and desist:
“I rented a car to drive around Rio, having a particular interest in seeing the beaches of Barra da Tijuca. I was nearly run off the road by a bus, on which if I’m not mistaken, I saw kids in the back sniffing glue. I came to a stoplight and some delightful children began juggling tennis balls for my gringo enjoyment. Boy they sure seemed young to be out on a busy highway roundabout juggling tennis balls. “Shouldn’t these kids be in school?” I thought to myself as I shrugged my shoulders and figured it must be “summer vacation”. About that time a young man approached and asked if I would like my windshield washed. I kindly replied “Now Ooohbrigata” in my broken Portuguese, but the young man proceeded to squirt water on my already clean windshield, hastily squeegee-ing the brackish water to the side leaving it dirtier than it was before. I handed him a 50-centavo piece, which he promptly threw at the car, cursing at me as I drove away. Oh the simple pleasures of being verbally abused while speeding away from a situation I feared may turn violent”.

I am not sure that so many people as you think realize the extent of prostitution, corruption, wealth disparity and even social customs that sit in direct opposition to their own experiences “back home”. I fear you give the people of this world far too much credit. Robin is a good example of someone who came to Brazil thinking “wow, what a great country, endless beaches, Bossa Nova, tropical fruit and sensual people – oh and it’s rude to show up on time” This kind of nonsense is not just the innocent scrawling of some “newbie” but something that has ramifications for those unlucky enough to follow her advice and go rushing off to Brazil expecting to find a late 19th century estate for $1.99. This woman has apparently traveled the world enough to know better than peddle this kind of crap to gullible people. She claims Bali is here favorite place on earth – do you think she would be remiss if she didn’t mention those two blips on the radar screen – Nightclub bombings by Muslim extremists?
Could you sound more ignorant??
written by Guest, March 12, 2006
"or should I say the good ole U S of Gay. I don't mean gay as in homo, that would be cooler, this is just gayer. Someone seems to think all Americans live in places with names I've never even heard of and am not sure of how to pronounce. And in the case of Crested Butte, am not really sure that I want to."

Crested Butte is a beautiful mountain town in Colorado. I'm sure you wouldn't fit in there. The people are generally educated, environmentally aware and happy. They don't generally use the term Homo and would probably see you for the mental dwarf you are. You don't like the sound of it eh?. I don't like the sound of your whole post - by all means stay out of Crested Butte. I can just imagine you saying "Crusted Butt" and having a good chuckle. Because you haven't heard of a place you're not sure you want to see it - wow you sounds like a really deep person . . . So New York, Rio de Janeiro and London it is for you eh? Good luck!

Oh and I guess if you haven't heard of the name of a town then Americans don't inhabit it? I normally don't say things like this but if they gave out awards for stupidity and obnoxiousness you would win the MVP hands down. Stupid, stupid human being . .
Ignorant??
written by Guest, March 12, 2006
I wouldn't fit in there because I'm not exorbitantly overpriveleged. And I already knew I woudn't, you didn't have to remind me. By the way, how do you know I'm not gay? I actually am LGBT (bisexual) so congrats on being heterocentric. No wonder few people fit in there. I never said I didn't want to GO there or that it was "unworthy", which is more than most can say about how they've castigated Brazil mercilessly here. I just said that I hadn't HEARD of it and that the poster was therefore being presumptious about America, which gave his whole response a ridiculous slant.

How about Americans from Appalachia, the Ozarks, the 500 Indigenous Nations, the Reservations of the Southwest, Compton, Long Beach, Inglewood, Oakland, DC, Durham, New York, who are tired of hearing this nonsense about how they should feel satisfied with being marginalized and mentally enslaved, losing language ("campy slang") and religion )("silly superstition") in the name of "success", being marked in every social, political, and economic scenario? Who wish to connect with friendly, loving, ones of them and others instead of being put in their places, bought off, then made to feel the problem for having been bought off? Who find communities for mental solace where they won't be overexposed and are then accused of being antisocial? Who would probably more quickly being Brazilianized than they could ever hope to be deemed Americanized after countless generations of being the perfect courtier, amusing jester and intriguing sideshow?

If anyone thinks that everyone is going there from Breckenridge of all places (as if that's not the LAST thing in the entire universe they would want to come across, insofar as the person is someone carving out an oasis, pointing out the Giseles as beautiful rather than the Zezes, then complaining that they're "bothered" by the sight of poverty) then who's the real mental dwarf?

But since it was for those, which he clarified in a more recent post, the older/middle aged retirees from Breckenridge, especially if they weren't that hardpressed on going there in the first place, then yes he IS clearing things up.
No One Right Answer!
written by Guest, March 12, 2006
A lot of Brazil bashing on this message board by "gringo-rip-it-out-of-the-a*****e instifacts about Brazil. If Americans can do nothng but attack and belittle Brazil then why don't they retire and stay in Crested Butte? IF America is such a democratic,safe,loving place to be then why are Americans trying to retire in ANY place but America?
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written by Guest, March 12, 2006
You said:
"Someone seems to think all Americans live in places with names I've never even heard of and am not sure of how to pronounce. And in the case of Crested Butte, am not really sure that I want to."

Then you said:
"I never said I didn't want to GO there or that it was "unworthy", which is more than most can say about how they've castigated Brazil mercilessly here."

Tell me - how is this not contradictory? You don't want to know Crested Butte (because you can't pronounce it or you just don’t want to know how to pronounce it) but that doesn't mean you don't want to go there - I will stand by my mental dwarf statement. I REPEAT - I'm not really sure I want to know [Crested Butte] it because I can't pronounce it but that doesn't mean I don't want to go there. Well I think the city of Crested Butte will send you some brochures for Ubergays who want to know Crested Butte but don't want to visit because they can't pronounce it.

Who has castigated Brazil mercilessly here? What is mercilessly in your estimation? The rather ridiculous slavery statements aside (although that does technically exist and I’m sure you would like to ignore that little fact and point out that the people of Appalachia are slaves instead), where is the derision? I wrote the first long post and I fail to see how I castigated Brazil MERCILESSLY. Was it the concern I showed for the Brazilian environment, my pointing out that 11 year-old girls are working as prostitutes in major metropolitan areas or have you just solidified a personal affinity for Jim, Deb and JaJa through Robin’s posts? So which is it? Where have I castigated the people of Brazil? Funny my Brazilian wife read my post and found nothing erroneous in it. She actually owns and operates a tourist site that welcomes foreigners to Rio de Janeiro to study Portuguese while immersing themselves in the culture. Do you know what she says about virtually every European and American that visits? They are never prepared for what they find. The poverty, prostitution, violence and corruption. Maybe you would care to argue that point with a Carioca native? Apparently you know more about Brazil than her by virtue of your compromised status as LGBT though!!

In regards to this I can only say WTF were you thinking?

“How about Americans from Appalachia, the Ozarks, the 500 Indigenous Nations, the Reservations of the Southwest, Compton, Long Beach, Inglewood, Oakland, DC, Durham, New York, who are tired of hearing this nonsense about how they should feel satisfied with being marginalized and mentally enslaved, losing language ("campy slang") and religion )("silly superstition") in the name of "success", being marked in every social, political, and economic scenario? Who wish to connect with friendly, loving, ones of them and others instead of being put in their places, bought off, then made to feel the problem for having been bought off?”

This was the most incoherent, incomplete instance of blurting I have ever witnessed. Compose yourself and try again. You’ve been to too many poetry nights down at the local coffee shop . . .

Robin is clearly targeting a specific demographic here and it is likely one that is also unprepared for the realities of Brazil. It’s funny how Robin speaks glowingly of Brazil on every occasion but when someone enters to correct her they are bashing Brazil mercilessly. The point that many are making here is that you are NOT GOING TO FIND A US$ 30,000 Estate. You are not always going to appreciate the dating rituals of the locals (as Robin pointed out herself) and Jim and Deb are probably not representative of how seamlessly the move to Brazil will be. For crying out loud quit your damn whining and face facts. Brazil is a wonderful country in its own right but it does have problems that people should be aware of before rushing off to buy their own little slice of heaven.

I haven’t heard word one in her posts about fire fights in the favelas, child prostitution, the Dollar and/or Euro’s weakening against the Real or the amount of corruption that exists. It’s funny that everyone here is expected to comport themselves like good little tourist operators like Robin and speak with the utmost respect about Brazil but they should never mention to the person thinking of relocating that it has the highest number of gun deaths per year in the world. Brazilians, Europeans and others are quick to point out that George Bush is an idiot (granted) and that Americans are mostly obese (granted) and that we are super-consumers with racial problems all our own (granted). It’s ok to point all that out but MUMS the word when it comes to telling the whole truth about Brazil. You bolstered my argument perfectly when you mentioned the preference Brazilians show for Giselle over black models. Racism in Brazil – can we mention that or is that off limits too? That sounds like something of which an LGBT like you would disapprove. You sure are quick to point out the error of my ways when I say that referring to gays as Homos is actually acceptable – so long as it’s another LGBT using that phraseology, otherwise your heterocentric (feminist studies class?).

Your arguments are not convincing and giving people the whole story is only fair. Sorry you feel that any criticism at all levelled against Brazil is tantamount to MERCILESS CASTIGATION!! GROW UP and join us in the real world.
INCREDIBLE!! WOW!!!
written by Guest, March 12, 2006
A lot of Brazil bashing on this message board by "gringo-rip-it-out-of-the-a*****e instifacts about Brazil. If Americans can do nothng but attack and belittle Brazil then why don't they retire and stay in Crested Butte? IF America is such a democratic,safe,loving place to be then why are Americans trying to retire in ANY place but America?

SNIFF SNIFF went the grumpy little whiner - go on and cry us a river over the rip it out your ass Brazil instifacts . . .

That was a truly insightful, visionary post man!! Props to you!. You're the first person in the history of this website to suggest that - congratulations on your goundbreaking post!! BRAVO!!
jesus..
written by Guest, March 12, 2006
"The rather ridiculous slavery statements aside (although that does technically exist and I’m sure you would like to ignore that little fact and point out that the people of Appalachia are slaves instead"

although I agree with many of what appear to be your views, describing slavery in brazil as "technically" existing here would be a definite slant on the reality. I continued to bring this topic up as when I originally did it was questioned as if it didn't even exist! Slavery either exists or it doesn't, you can attempt to put another "dress" on it but the reality still exists, and here in brazil you must definitely drop the word "technically"!!
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written by Guest, March 12, 2006
I should have been more precise. The ridiculous statements I was referring to were the manner in which they were presented and not to imply that slavery does not exist. Your comment is duly noted.
Incredible!!Wow!!!
written by Guest, March 12, 2006
the americans retiring overseas are the poor ones that cannot retire in US.!!
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written by Guest, March 12, 2006
I just wanted to remind you guys that Americans moving to Brazil could care less if there are slaves in Brazil, child prostitution, racism, etc. Depending on how they'll live over there, most of them won't have to deal with any of this anyway. Chances are they won't even learn how to speak Portuguese properly. They'll probably live in a gated community, socialise with their expat friends most of the time and enjoy the good things Brazil has to offer. It seems like you guys are somewhat "afraid" some Americans may relocate to Brazil and live a reasonably good life. It could happen to a lot of Americans indeed, as long as they make the right choices.
It also turns out that America is a great country but apparently not for everyone, notably black people, elderly people and poor people. I believe Robyn when she says Americans are moving to Costa Rica and Panama and you can be sure that they didn't move over there because they were interested in central american culture. They're just looking for a better deal these days. Americans are not known for being adventurous, outgoing and eager to learn about different cultures/languages. All in all they'd much rather stay at home. The fact that you can find expats living down there nowadays only tells me that things aren't what they used to be where they came from.
a*****es abound . . .
written by Guest, March 12, 2006
Well aren't you the informed one with very broad, sweeping generalizations about any number of things. . . I find it intersting that you feel empowered to speak on behalf of all Americans, depicting us as parasites who are completely oblivious to prostitution, slavery or any other form of social injustice we might encounter in Brazil or any other host country. You also state that we are not known for being adventurous, outgoing or eager to learn about different cultures or languages. Wow that is some pretty powerful stuff coming from a coward who doesn't have the guts to reveal what his own nationality might be so we can also make broad, sweeping and ignorant generalizations.

I think there are several Americans (from this very thread even) who live and work in Brazil and might disagree with your vapid statement to the effect that Americans take a carefree stance on everything but our own self-indulgence. I didn't live in a gated community, I speak Portuguese fluently and I do feel empathy and concern with the plight of all humans, including arrogant pricks like you!! I have met far more Americans living and doing charitable work in favelas in Rio de Janeiro than any other nationality. The vast majority of those working overseas in the Peace Corps hail from the US as well. I guess charitable work doesn't count though eh genius? Funny thing - Americans also comprise the greatest segment of tourists in Brazil and many other countries for that matter.

And speaking directly to the utterly stupid statement you made saying Americans are not known for being adventurous, I will make this proposition. Next time I climb a 7,000 meter peak here in Argentina or summit Denali again or climb the nose on El Cap you are more than welcome to join me. Feel free to join the tens of thousands of Americans who travel to Nepal, Tibet, Chile, Afghanistan and other "not-so-adventurous" places to bag the highest peaks in the world or climb sheer granite faces over 1400 meters high. Hell I would invite you to come to Colorado and see if you could climb Notch Couloir on Longs Peak in December . . . There are literally tens of thousands of Americans who are out there doing it everyday bro but I guess it just depends on what you consider being adventurous. If they aren't getting drunk on some beach in Krabi or haven't spent time smoking dope in some coffee shop in Amsterdam then they just aren't interested in other cultures or languages in your estimation. I can only imagine that you are European where 15 different cultures and languages are within a 2 hour flight from wherever you find yourself. See we happen to be a much larger country that officially shares one language but encompasses an incredible cultural diversity. Did you ever take that into consideration before you caught that case of incontinence of the mouth? No you are more interested in being an a*****e and bashing Americans because it gives you a brief rush of superiority and triumph. So go back to your pint and Lucky Strikes and shut the f**k up dickhead . . .
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written by Guest, March 12, 2006
You don't need to get so aggravated ! I'm just stating the fact that Americans in Europe usually end up eating at Mc Donalds because they don't want to deal with figuring out a menu written in a different language, that's all. And they prefer sticking to something they know (in your case rock climbing), than trying something they never tried before (like different types of food).
And most Americans that travel to Brazil aren't doing it to go help people and do charity work, they're interested in seeing Brazilian bodies and spending little money while doing so. Why is that so hard to admit ?
The people that want to retire in Brazil aren't there to change the country are they ? They're there to enjoy a good standard of living at a low price, while living in a community of friendly people. The fact that there are slaves in Brazil, if this is true at all,won't be the least concern to your average American as long as they don't become slaves themselves, don't you agree ? If it where any different, they wouldn't segregate American blacks in their own country, right ?
Apparently you are uncapable of understanding someone's opinion (or facts for that matter). I understand your point of view, without having to call you an a*****e, mainly because if I heard your "fluent" Portuguese I'd probably feel like I'm watching a Chevy Chase movie (those movies where the family travels to Europe). Now go do my spell check while your face gets red.
Aww
written by Guest, March 13, 2006
Alas, the VOICE OF REASON!!
Re-Asseholes abound
written by Guest, March 13, 2006
And the trophy for the most self important uptight a*****e cleary belongs in your cabinet along with your no doubt many other great exciting awards.
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written by Guest, March 13, 2006
Bah ! You're a typical American with a class act, that's what it is !
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written by Guest, March 13, 2006
How the hell do you know what Americans want to do when they retire in Brazil anyway? Do you take running polls? So many people (who have probably never been to America to begin with) like you speak volumes about what Americans do or don't do but as per the adventurous European I sure see plenty of them stuffing their faces with Big Macs and Whoppers around the world. Funny how they proliferate throughout Europe – the home of exotic cuisine . . .

Glad you could admit that you're European and grew up around 10 different languages and had that good fortune, meanwhile you’re adventurous EU crumbles and more Europeans try and escape the bureaucratic nightmare that is the EC. I should know, I poll each European as they step off the plane. And as far as I can tell about adventure and trying new things, I have never met so many people as Europeans who live with their parents until they are 30, make the typical Tango circuit here in BsAs and f**k up Castellano as much if not more than Americans. SO there goes your theory. Feel like climbing Ojos del Salado - didn't think so? Why – because adventure is in the eyes of the Euro-centric who decides it. Yes that's right, keep believing we never try other types of food either. (Damn you really never haven’t set foot on American soil) Ever been to lower Manhattan, Boston, Miami, L.A. Chicago, St. Louis, Kansas City or Denver CO? We have more ethnic restaurants than Europe could ever hope to – but they are all staying afloat because of the sophisticated European hoards – thank god for them otherwise what would us backwards, burger eating cowpokes do? We have also segregated blacks in our own country I have been informed – my 2 black neighbors back home would be interested to learn this. Yet another example of someone forming an opinion of America after watching an episode of The Cosby Show. Yes most Americans may be going to Brazil to enjoy a comfortable lifestyle (or just be angry and get rejected by Brazilian women like Zel Miller there above me) but you generalized – something that makes you infinitely more ignorant than the average poster.

This is what you had to say about Americans “Americans are not known for being adventurous, outgoing and eager to learn about different cultures/languages.” This was not in reference to Americans going to Brazil or those you apparently see scratching their heads in front of the boulangerie, opting for Mcdonalds instead, it was just directed at Americans in general. We both know that tired, worn out stereotype doesn’t fly anymore yet you persist with it. It’s easy to go along and keep proffering that garbage because the ignorant douche bags like Screaming Without a Clue up there will be happy to oblige. The fact is that you’re the un-adventurous one, you express disbelief in my ability to speak Portuguese fluently (yeah big surprise seeing as I’m married to a Brazilian and speak it every day – que milagre!), and like to generalize – the hallmark of the lazy, un-adventurous mind . . .

As per you Screaming Without A Clue – what is your major malfunction? Let’s just show all the good folks what your most impactful post read like:

“Let’s get this straight you think the greater part of the above discussion is a victory of free speech?

I am American btw”

He really does sound like Dirty Harry there doesn’t he?
This is the extent of what you have written that even resembles a point, argument – anything. He also says he is American btw – he is lying. He comes in and bashes Americans relentlessly then tells us he is one. I have caught him using words and expressions that only a Brit would use and then he tries to pass himself off as an American so his blurting can appear to be more impactful – you are one sad sack, sorry excuse for a human being you know that? You search me out and try to offend me constantly. You don’t have an argument – ever. You are simply intimidated by my command of the English language, the fact that I am articulate and voice my opinions or you simply cannot compensate for some shortcoming of your own. I suspect that is the case. Here we have a little fella who won’t contribute anything more than Charles Bronson one-liners for fear of exposing himself as the real misfit he is. What’s wrong Screaming Without A Clue – don’t you have anything more important to say or are you afraid someone may hurt your feeling with any sort of criticism of your posts. Or maybe you just don’t have any ideas of your own. Yeah that must be it. Typical “American” with nothing meaningful to say. I bet you get lonely at night don’t you. PastyWhiteTarts.com has got to be getting stale. Think it’s time you greased back your hair, covered that swastika tattoo and tried to find some female companionship . . .
It just hit me Screams A Lot
written by Guest, March 13, 2006
"Have to agree with the above comments. Well said, and a far better read than the original article."

"What a super response to this pathetic excuse of an article."

"Excellent response to this dough-eyed drivel."

"Whoever the eloquent writer was above who wrote "Re : Please Stop" made a good point when they mentioned that most or all of the major currencies are weakening against the real."

"Well, I have to say after reading Robin's articles on Brazil....I have to agree alot with what "Please stop" wrote. Robin's articles do not give the whole picture...."

While I was taking a shower it hit me like a flash. You saw all the accolades I received from others regarding my first post and it really rips you up inside doesn't it? You frequently used the term "self-important" to describe me. In fact you do every time someone agrees with me.

What I'm saying is you can't stand to see someone receive praise or approval of any type can you? You were likely abused as a child - both physically and mentally and probably had one of those fathers who used to say "you think you're better than your old man now don't you?" whenever you happened to do well in school or sports - then you got the smack down didn't you? I understand now. You have a serious aversion to seeing others succeed in anything. If they do they are immediately set upon like a pack of wolves because you know you could never write anything that would meet with that kind of approval. From the bottom of my heart I pity you. It must have been hard growing up like that . . . Hope you can stop hating and try and contribute yourself. .. .
2 black neighbors?
written by Guest, March 13, 2006
I would have said that blacks are segregated, but I think the 2 black neighbors comment pretty much says it all.
Clearing the SLAVERY THING UP
written by Guest, March 13, 2006
BBC NEWS

"So far this year inspectors have freed more than 2,000 workers from forced labour, MOSTLY IN THE AMAZON REGION"

"And in the poor regions of north-east Brazil...there is always a large army of desperate people easily PERSUADED TO TRY THEIR LUCK hundreds of miles away. "

Meanwhile 20,000 men, women, and children are IMPORTED into the US annually AGAINST THEIR WILL. 700 million people are KIDNAPPED and internationally trafficked around the world. 27 million modern day slaves all over the world (BBC NEWS). I'm not downplaying it but seriously can you guys stop acting like know-it-alls or bashing the people's country?



CLEARING IT UP SOME MORE!
written by Guest, March 13, 2006

"It's lke a 'streetwalker"??? What in the f**k are you saying?? That a brazil FORCED into slave labor is like a "streetwalker"??

*YAAAAAAWN*

Read it and weep:

"The gato arrives in a community and says he can get legal work in a certain place," said Fr Rezende. "They say the person will be able to send money home to their family ... [but] when they arrive they discover they owe money for the transport and the food. The first imprisonment is that of the soul.

Often a worker will have the false sense that he is in the wrong [if he flees]."

That is what I meant by like a streetwalker. They aren't captured and dragged, they're ENTICED AND LURED into it, like a streetwalker was. Then they are placed in a cycle of debt, like getting pimped or hustled. And they don't want to run sometimes probably partly because of the lure of getting out of debt and having food, because it's better than just starving with nothing to show for it.

"I once interviewed a worker with malaria and the farmer had given him a paracetamol and told him he would have to work for two months to pay for it," she told the Guardian. "I said to him, 'Why don't you run away,' and he replied, 'Run away to where? I don't have any money and I can't go home like this.'"

Moving right along....but I thought you knew. smilies/smiley.gif

brazzilian site comments game:
written by Guest, March 13, 2006
you cant win it!
exactly
written by Guest, March 13, 2006
basically
Says it all . . .
written by Guest, March 13, 2006
"I would have said that blacks are segregated, but I think the 2 black neighbors comment pretty much says it all."

WTF does that say exactly? Yes I have 2 black neighbors in the small Colorado town where I live (when I'm not in Buenos Aires) - what's the problem? There are very few blacks in that town yet 2 of them feel free enough to live amongst us "uppity racist" whites. Or does the entire state of Colorado have a racist agenda because there are fewer blacks on average living in CO than say Alabama or Georgia for example. Denver's former black mayor Wellington Webb might disagree but whatever you think Harry Potter.

This does say a lot actually but then again you've never set foot in the country you so freely criticize - pretty tough thing to do if you ask me. At least when I level a cricism against a country I have actually been there - more than you can say eh mate?

By the way, my black neighbors are hardly in a bad way (you know segregated and all) which was my point. One works for Hewlett Packard as an optical engineer and the other is an architect. Wow the segregation and oppression they suffer on a daily basis as they attempt to go unnoticed in their BMW's and $2000 suits. Yes some blacks live in much worse conditions than others but my whole point is that GENERALIZING IS THE TOOL OF THE WEAK MIND!! Guess where that puts you? SO what exactly were you trying to say? Or do you even know yourself . . .
Screamer??
written by Guest, March 13, 2006
Where are you Sir Screams A Lot? Been busy torturing small animals or going over rough drafts of your next clever one-liner? . . .I hardly dare imagine the kind of sting I'm going to feel from the next biting quip . . . I’m all aquiver!!

Hey, I've known for a long time you were lying about being American - that is some pretty weird s**t though. Probably stung a little reading that last post what with all the flashbacks of your mummy and daddy's ambivalence and/or hostility when you brought home your social studies homework with that little gold star on top. You were all smiles and wanted them to be proud of you but instead they just called you a lazy little bugger and told you to take out the trash. I Bet you started off just insulting girls when they shot you down but when that didn't ease the pain you started coming to message boards to menace people like mummy, daddy and the bullies at school did to you. I can tell you are a scary human being just from the little bit of garbled nonsense you throw out here. Better to get help now otherwise I fear someone may turn up in your freezer . . . We know you wanted to feel important too and never did that is why you resent people for having pride, self-respect and dignity - all things you like to qualify (with utmost hostility) as self-importance. There are people out there to who can help you with this kind of rage and shame. With thousands of dollars of therapy and lots of psychotropic drugs I would bet you can get back to just being a functional social reject in no time flat. Stay positive and keep on SCREAMING!!
These posts are WAY off topic.
written by Guest, March 13, 2006
This lady is writing about relationships between men and women in Brazil. Why are people bringing up slavery, sinking oil rigs and amazon rainfores destruction. These things are major issues, so these posts would make a lot more sence on one of the other articles. I am glad she wrote this article, not every article on Brazil should focus on the negative...actually come to think of it, even this article is not so flattering to the culture. I hope contributers like this lady dont get driven off the site by people who want to do nothing but complain.
The lion sleeps tonight . .
written by Guest, March 13, 2006
RIO DE JANEIRO, Brazil (Reuters) -- The Brazilian army ended its 10-day occupation of Rio de Janeiro slums, pulling the last of its troops out in the night as drug gangs shot into the air and set off fireworks in celebration.

The army carried out two additional raids Monday to look for weapons stolen from a military base, the act that triggered the military's full blown incursion into the slums on March 3.

"We are entering a phase of troop mobility. The raids will be more targeted," military spokesman Lt. Col. Paulo Meira said.

On Sunday, hundreds of troops left the Providencia slum near the center of the crime-ridden city, where they had exchanged fire with drug traffickers almost every night since the deployment."

Please forget this little blip - everything is fine in Brazil so let's just keep this under our hats shall we. This is just media exaggeration and merciless castigation of an otherwise peaceful, tropical paradise. All of you posters here who think the violence in Brazil is exaggerated please continue posting positive remarks and telling everyone that it is still a wonderworld like just like Robin says. So grab the kids and pack up your things - just another reason why you should move to Brazil. And remember -sshhhh - this is just between us ok?
Funny thing about that . .
written by Guest, March 13, 2006
"I hope contributers like this lady dont get driven off the site by people who want to do nothing but complain."

Funny - we generally want the exact opposite. Tchau Robin . . .
RE: The lion sleeps tonight . .
written by Guest, March 13, 2006

Yet another great example of a post that has nothing to do with this article.

Brazil is very dangerous and this is no secret. I am by no means denying this. But this article just has absolutely nothing to do with that topic.


At Least The Brazilians HAVE a Mating Ga
written by Guest, March 13, 2006
Unlike lard ass Americans who have to come to Brazil to get laid!!!!!!!
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written by Guest, March 13, 2006
If Americans and Western Europeans stopped using the drugs then the Brazilians would stop selling. Most of those illegal drugs are shipped to America and Western Europe because most of your druggies are there. I guess when you can't get laid you can always get high and fantasize about a tropical paradise full of beautiful people not another fat arse like yourself.

Nobody said Brazil is a racial democracy but neither is America. The majority of blacks in America live in as much poverty and squalor as black Brazilians. It is just easier to hide black poverty since blacks are only 12% of America's population. That is until a hurricane sweeps them out of their hiding place. America is no racial paradise or democracy either so they can't criticize Brazil.

Americans are all hypocrites who bash Brazil yet can't wait to get here and get laid and get away from their own pasty fat people.
Send in the clowns!
written by Guest, March 13, 2006
You know, the feedback re. bulletins on this site reminds me of the food in a local self service kilo restaurant. If you time it right, you always get the freshest, best quality fodder that enlivens the tastebuds and creates a satisfied sense of well being. Arrive too late in the day and you find an unidentifiable mix of reheated mush that even the rats think twice about. There´s some great comments here but it doesn´t take long before it begins to wilt and turn brown like a limp bit of lettuce.

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written by Guest, March 13, 2006
Brazilians are the 2nd greatest consumer of cocaine behind the US. Just a little factoid . . .
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written by Guest, March 13, 2006
Unlike lard ass Americans who have to come to Brazil to get laid!!!!!!!

Lard Ass Americans - good one. Haven't heard that one before. Back to the drawing board there Ronaldo . . .Are you the same idiot that goes into every thread and writes the EXACT same thing everytime . . . ? One can only wonder what you are hiding . .
Screams a lot . .
written by Guest, March 14, 2006
I got my eye on you. Thinking about ending it all aren't you? Your life is a sham and since your last bastion of pleasure - trying to offend and aggravate people with meaningless tough talk (along with your ultra-strange penchant for lying about your nationality) has been confronted and you have been identified as the truly disturbed and hateful reject of a human you are, life no longer seems worth the living . . .
Re: Says it al