Brazzil

Brazil is going down the wrong road and must STOP this immediately.

This is sending out all the wrong signals and heaven knows what some people must be thinking. Children are a priority and should be protected NOT exploited for cheap thrills.

If this continues you will all be sorry. This is monstrous and is morally wrong.

It is already, on the wrong road !

Children should not be exploited in this or any other way. However Brasil allows it's youngest members to be discarded on the streets of major cities like Rio in alarming numbers--to sniff glue in an attempt to deaden the pain of being abandoned by the pleasure seekers who gave them birth.

What a pathetic bunch of moral degenerates some brasilians have become!

Something that has always called my attention in Brazil is how very young girls are "sexualized" at a very early age. It is common to see young girls of all classes dressed in inappropriate clothing that would be more appropriate on a street walker. This type of tight, form-fitting, midriff exposed clothing is bought by the parents, and is considered normal. Then there are the girls who perform on children's programs like "Xuxa" who wear white vinyl go-go boots, hot pants and dance seductively to children's songs. I think Brazilian children of all classes are made into sensual objects at too early an age.

I find this distasteful and extremely disgusting. It makes some Brazilians appear as vulgarians who lack any kind of etiquette or self respect.

I have just watched this documentary on the BBC about Brazil and was shocked by the hatred, the tidal wave of bitterness, and also social deprivation that I was simply speechless.

These areas of Sao Paulo which were shown are like dens of wickedness, and cesspits of squalor and utter misery.And I have never seen anything quite like it in my entire life.This has sure helped me to clarify the the social situation in Brazil, and I am alarmed. It is truely horrifying.

There seems to be no respect from the government and the police towards its citizens, and visa versa. And it is an extremely complicated no win situation. "Brazil does appear to be at WAR".

Brazil is definately a lawless fragmented country which is worthy of condemnation.

50,000 murders a year, I would say that could be called a "war".

Good Lord, I know the Federal Police have a hard job to do and I am not condoning these criminals - but honestly, these figures of 50,000 murders a year are quite alarming. Where all the suspects guilty? Doesn't Brazil know this two -way hate is simply counter- productive?

Back to this headline. Are Brazilians NOW transforming their 3 year olds into young Jezebels? I wonder if Brazil even realizes that the most important years of a childs life is from the age of 0 - 7 at which point a childs personality is formed, for life.I thought Brazil wanted to be a First World Country? I am wrong?

go do sex and no speak about wath you not knows nothing

Can't you write English? Are you one of those perverts of Sin?

Most of the crimes are done by people related to the victim, friends,wife,husband,brothers.

I agree that is not good that so many people die.

Federal Police can not be in everybdy house 24 hours a day.

Federal Police is like the FBI. Local police take care of local crime.

Is not the job of govermment to teach people that is not ok to shoot friends and relatives.


Anyone with half working brain know that s not ok to harm people.

The last time a check the Jail population in America was around 2 million.

I guess the "" First World" is not doing a good job take care of their kids in the early years

Also

I'm just glad that all those hollywood kids are not use and abuse by the system.



Also I'm sure that not even one Hollywood kid star come out crazy after somone years.

All the problem of the poor in the government

You have to remember that most of the locations you talk about were area that people invade and had no public services.

Most(not all) of theses people move to theses areas because they do not pay rent, water eletric bill.

What they do is very simple.

They move to this places,do not pay rent,no water and then start the process of asking the city to provide then with service.

The place will grown to a size that at one point the city will have to do somethng about the problems.

Ones the city brings the basic utilities and give the land to this people (legal papers) they sell or start rent the place.

They go and move to another area and start all over again.



About somone say they never so such hard life condition.

My friend,you should have take a trip to the Katrina area .Remember??>>




Most people reading this magazine are people that live in America inside their on gate community or "Suburbia" and had no idea what is going in one in America.

Please, do me a favor,next time that you are in Los Angeles ask someone to take you to the Skid row area. They have around 10 thousand homeless people walking around their like Zumbi every night sleeping on card box beds.


Remember to go night time.

"Anyone with half working brain know that s not ok to harm people"


EXACTLY!! that's the point, the vast majority in Brazil don't have "half A working brain!

The murder rate in brazil, one of the worlds largest, is due to the huge differences in income inequality. You have people that are very rich, then you have people that are as poor as anyplace in the world, literally struggling to survive!

Not to mention the "lacidaisacal" attitudes and efforts by the police force here and the IMPUNITY that exists when one with any types of means, or "conhescimento" breaks a law. It's a system that generates crime, corruption, impunity, etc.

And for the above poster, the population of 2 million in prison in the U.S. is because the MAJORITY of the time when someone breaks a law there, they get caught, arrested, and convicted. In contrast to here in brazil, where an estimated 10% of crimes and criminals even get caught!!!

If they caught and imprisoned all the people that break the law here in brazil, one would have to build a huge wall around an area the size of the state of Sao Paulo!

"The murder rate in brazil, one of the worlds largest"

By guns it is the highest - I have had a gun put to my head in Manaus and Sao Paulo . . . .

This system in Brazil is crazy and chaotic. How does anyone see their way through this maze of confusion and disorder?

Sounds like they are copying those US competions where they get tiny girls to dress like Dolly Parten and sing sexy songs.

Definitly the wrong road

you said??
he murder rate in brazil, one of the worlds largest, is due to the huge differences in income inequality. You have people that are very rich, then you have people that are as poor as anyplace in the world, literally struggling to survive!



Since when been poor give you the right to kill people?

Again most of the kiiling in Brazil are done by FRIENDS AND RELATIVES over stupid argumment.
Has nothing to do with the person been poor

India has 5 times more poor people then Brazil and they do not kill that much people.


Is not the job of police or govermment to tell people they should not kill their relatives or friends over stupid fights.



About the jail in America.


You are missing the point my friend

The argumment was that if you have 2 million people in America breaking the law is because the system I AMERICA like in Brazil(like you like to say) is not doing a good job of bring this kids with good values.

2 million people is a lot people



About you have a gun put in your head

Bellow you have a link from Los Angeles time where yesterday this pregnant was shot in the head by a losing bullet

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-shot17apr17,0,3820596.story?coll=la-home-headlines


Pregnant Woman Critically Injured in Gunfight, Suspect Is Slain
From a Times Staff Writer
April 17, 2006

A pregnant woman was shot and critically wounded Sunday night when she apparently was caught in the middle of a gunfight on a street in South Los Angeles, police said.

The woman was shot near Martin Luther King Jr. Boulevard and Normandie Avenue about 6:15 p.m. Because several cars were struck with bullets, police believe the woman was caught in the middle of a street gun battle.


"As it looks right now, probably wrong place, wrong time," said Los Angeles Police Sgt. Lee Sands.

A man believed to have been involved in the woman's shooting was later shot and killed after opening fire at officers, Sands said.

Officers found the man, whom they considered a suspect, at a nearby bus stop and attempted to detain him, Sands said. The man started shooting at the officers, who returned fire, killing him, Sands said.

The pregnant woman, believed to be in her late 20s, was in extremely critical condition at California Hospital Medical Center. She was believed to be brain dead, Sands said.

Police were trying to locate a second suspect in the woman's shooting, Sands said.

I guess that You in Manaus had a better luck that the lady in Los Angeles .

""A MAZE OF CHAOS AND CONFUSION
Written by Guest on 2006-04-16 13:42:55This system in Brazil is crazy and chaotic. How does anyone see their way through this maze of confusion and disorder""



I guess they do the same good job the America is doing in Iraque

Remember, I'm been sarcastic

Nothing is NEW on this site!

Don

jesus, the last several posts have been hard to discomboble!! If you have to write portuguese, go ahead, its better than writing english that makes little sense.

I posted this on another thread but it has become germane here so here it is again - notice the part about Iraq - premise 6!

For those of you who are unfamiliar with the Brazilian dialectic (actually one can hardly qualify it as a dialectic in this instance), this is your introduction.

The first premise is that some blow hard with an inflated CV, who usually studied at an American University mind you, comes in here trumpeting the wonders and altogether spectacular nature of the tropical paradise called Brazil. Invariably he or she will focus on a singular topic like Bio-fuel or Brazil’s newfound status as “space superpower” and herald it as if Brazil alone invented bio-fuel or space flight while the rest of the world stood by awestruck at the scientific and industrial capacity of the new “America of the Tropics”. Oh by the way – before you go jumping up and down, gloating about Brazil’s “supernatural” ability to produce ethanol, thank nature’s abundance for blessing you with a climate suitable for sugar cane but don’t think for one minute that American universities weren’t tinkering with ethanol while Brazilian industrial science was in its infancy. Unfortunately oil barons and other nefarious business interests whose main preoccupation for the last 30 years has been keeping bio-fuels off the market have dominated our own greedy country.

Second premise: Brazil is the most powerful country in the world!! With its 180 million inhabitants, a full 20% of who are illiterate, and an even greater number who are hungry, Brazil manages to surpass all expectations and exports 400 trillion tons of soy and beef each day!!

Third Premise: Brazilians take credit or at least partial credit for every single scientific development of the last 2 centuries. Yes Brazil did build the Opportunity and Spirit Probes currently circling Mars. Yes Brazil did build the first internal combustion engine (little known secret) and yes Brazil has already perfected nuclear fission using coconuts which will offer free power to the world for the next 5 billion years thanks to the kind and generous nature of HIS MAJESTY LULA! All may genuflect now! Brazil also invented the telephone, the computer and Nike Air-Shox shoes.

Fourth Premise: Any and all criminal conduct by Brazilian leaders is promptly ignored and swept under the rug. Any politicians with $250,000 dollars stuffed down their pants while attempting to pass through customs are subjected to the focused anger of the average Brazilian male for approximately 1.8 seconds soon thereafter returning to his favorite pastime - stopping dead in his tracks to stare at the bunda of each and every woman who passes them on the street OR playing soccer on the beach. Women will be incensed for approximately 2.3 seconds after which time they will go have a facelift and promptly plop themselves down on the beach and forget that their whole government is corrupt, inept and incapable of doing anything right.

Fifth Premise: Anyone attempting to disagree with the assertions or claims of the author or any Brazilian poster will be subject to labels like NAZI, GRINGO SCUM, IGNORANT BASTARD or worse. Any Brazilian by contrast is inherently correct and furthermore is a natural born expert on the American way of life despite never having set foot in the country, unless it was to go on a package trip to Disneyworld. If any poster HAS been to America it was to make a living wage and support their families back home. Brazilians send approximately 6 billion back home to their families each year but waste no time back-stabbing that same country that put food in the mouths of their children. Then they will turn around and criticize the capitalist system and all it stands for after they have parasitically fed off it for enough time so as to have amassed enough money to go back to Brazil, never having contributed anything to the American economy themselves. They will not consider this being hypocritical in any sense. These are the rules of engaging a Brazilian.

Sixth Premise: They will take every single criticism of their country and turn it into a debate over the legitimacy of the war in Iraq. Forget that the article was about something entirely unrelated to the war in Iraq, it will invariably turn in that direction as many Brazilian posters, knowing they are in a losing situation, will turn to the lowest common denominator. “Well at least we aren’t slaughtering women and children in Iraq” as if you and I were personally manning an M-60 machine gun, blasting away at whomever we please. They will assume that all Americans adore Bushco and that we love to see women and children die. They will never stick to the argument at hand, but rather question your personal integrity because your illegally elected leader made some disastrous decisions. BUT UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES ARE YOU TO CRITICIZE HIS MAJESTY – LULA!!!! He is a good, upstanding honest man from the Northeast who never had any knowledge of mensalao – perish the thought. Your leaders and country are susceptible to attack on every front but Brazil has nothing but people so happy they smile with their a*****es. Everything is wonderful. There is no hunger, slavery, child prostitution or government corruption. Of course your country demonstrates all these things and worse but Brazil is squeaky clean with streets paved in gold.

For the post above

Copy and paste??


I guess that this copy and past "PROPGANDA" is getting old my friend.

The only point here is not for you to talk trash about Brazil.

The point here is that is funny for someone to waist their time talking about the problems in Brazil When you have soooooooooo many problems in America.

You house is on fire and you are worry about you the problemss in the other side of the world

What a joke

I think many people here have missed the point as the detailed post has expalined.

I think what this person is trying to say is that there are problems everywhere, give credit where credit is due and the overall picture must be balanced and fair.

Is this really so hard for Brazilians to comprehend instead of constantly being defensive and deviating from the subject at hand?

It is hard for brazilians to comprehend. And, if you're a foreigner, don't dare say a negative word or constructive criticism, even though it is 100% accurate.

The U.S. has people in every country on the planet that take pop-shots at every opportunity. Americans are accustomed to this and are aware that many of the criticisms have merit. But don't dare do that if you're a foreigner here in brazil! And if you are a brazilian that seems to have a point of view that is actually based in reality, and talk about the "cancer of corruption" that exists here, along with impunity, poverty, crime, etc., that the gov't. obvious feels oblivious to, then they're normally labeled a "pro american".

"The point here is that is funny for someone to waist their time talking about the problems in Brazil When you have soooooooooo many problems in America."

EVERY country on the planet has problems, but the degree of the problems, especially basic fundamental problems such as people not having food, drinkable water, energy, etc, these types of problems are not significant problems in the U.S. They are in brazil. And when one sees the handful of RICH here that standby while their own people literally are dying from lack of basic necessities, it's truly an immoral attitude that goes unrivaled by most.

I think this love hate thing with America & Brazil is because Brazil always compares itself with America which seems to generate a mountain of criticisms.

You said :
EVERY country on the planet has problems, but the degree of the problems, especially basic fundamental problems such as people not having food, drinkable water, energy, etc, these types of problems are not significant problems in the U.S



Pleaseeeeeeeee

Working people in America can not afford gas this days. Do you watch the news??

It is a major problem


Most of the poor in America can not afford food.,The only food that they can afford is process food that most of the time do more harm then good.


In America process food is cheaper then fresh food.

Becuae the poor and working poor can not afford fresh food, they have not choice other then eat only process food.

Diabetes,cancer, heart problems and stomach problems are the number one problem in America..

You free to talk about Brazil. Brazil is a democratic place.


Just meet us in Brazil halp way and come out from your horse .

Do not come here sounding ""amaze"" by the problems in Brazil when you have the same problems in big number in America.

You want to have a conversation about a problem-fine.

To put Brazil down when you have the same problem in America is just wrong and pure

PROPAGANDA>

Come down from your Horse American Cowboy
:

Pal, I'll lay you 100-1 odds that you've NEVER even been in the states!!

The average wage for an american worker is 36,000 dollars per year!! They can certainly afford to buy gas, and food. And what is with you and this fresh food is so expensive, LOL!! It shows your ignorance!

We don't have 40 MILLION threatened by hunger in the states, we don't have hundreds of thousands that die every year in the states from malnutrition.

Now, imagine this, talking about gasoline and it's price. The MINIMUM wage in brazil has just now been raised to 350 reais per MONTH....do you know how much a tank of gas is???? 125-150 reais!!!

So a minimum wage earner in brazil would spend over 40% of his MONTHLY salary on ONE TANK OF GAS!!!

PLEEEEEEESE!!!

DON'T TRY AND COMPARE THE REALITIES OF BRAZIL AND THE U.S......IT ONLY SHOWS YOUR IGNORANCE OF ONE, OR BOTH PLACES!

I question the hunger argument in Brazil and the fact that people can't afford food. Two reasons: bolsa familia and any society is only 3 meals from revolution. If there was genuine starvation in Brazil they'd be genuine revolution.

buddy, go to the brazilian gov'ts. own website, www.fomezero.gov.br

And there are hundreds of thousands of people in brazil that die from malnourishment and lack of access to suitable drinking water. This is a fact, do some research, it's not bulls**t, I wouldn't lie about something so horrific.

And "bolsa familia"???? Bud, that programs gives an average of $30 dollar per MONTH to poor families....thirty dollars!

Not only the U.N., but brazils own reports, estimates that approximately 80 million brazilians survive on LESS than 2 dollars per day!! Now, do you think those folks are getting 3 squares????

Very funny!!!!
You said

"The average wage for an american worker is 36,000 dollars per year!



LOLLL

Do you know the meaning of the word Average.

You have around 20 million people living in the mininal wage in America

Do you know how much is that??

5,15 p/h my friend.

5,15 times 160 hours in the mounth come to 824 dollars

Just a 1 bedroom in Los Angelses is around 900 dollars

a person with a full thank a week would have pay around 25 per week =100 dollars for mounth.

Forget about food, eletric bill, water, bus pass etc etc



If you see the numbers og people in America making minimal wage they arein the hole only with the rent in los angeles.


you have around 80 thousand homeless people only in los angeles areas

My friend you probable never been in the real america.

To go to disneyland does not count


Some 90,000 homeless counted on LA County streets




(06-16) 01:10 PDT Los Angeles (AP) --
Census takers counted some 90,000 men, women and children who were homeless in Los Angeles County during an exhaustive three-day head count in January — a number roughly equal to the population of Santa Barbara.
The numbers from the street count were higher than previous estimates, which indicated that between 78,000 and 84,000 people were homeless in the county at any given time. The count also raised the estimate of the number of people who are chronically homeless, from 7,500 to 35,000. It also showed that Los Angeles far outstrips New York, Chicago and San Francisco in the size of its homeless population.
The census is the most complete reckoning in at least a decade, with more than 1,000 paid and volunteer canvassers walking the streets in 512 census tracts. Separate surveys were conducted in scores of shelters, recovery facilities, jails and hospitals.
A subgroup of the homeless participated in face-to-face surveys, giving workers detailed demographic information about the population for the first time. More than 28,000 of those on Los Angeles streets suffer from severe mental illnesses, and 16,000 of the homeless are veterans, according to the count.
"This ... is the first really aggressive, thorough count of homeless persons in the county where we had volunteers teamed up with homeless people who knew every nook and cranny and were able to get a real-world count," County Supervisor Zev Yaroslavsky said.
People who work with the homeless said the new statistically accurate numbers should validate concerns they have raised for years and prompt action from politicians.
"Our job was already quite monumental and now has become even more so," said Mitchell Netburn, executive director of the Los Angeles Homeless Services Authority, which administers federal homeless funds and commissioned the count. "People can no longer ignore the problem or say, 'I don't see that many homeless people, where are they?'"
The homeless population in greater Los Angeles — including Santa Monica and unincorporated areas — is 83,347, according to the count. The overall county total, including Glendale, Long Beach and Pasadena, which do their own counts, is estimated at 90,000.

New York has about 40,000 homeless; Chicago, about 9,600; and San Francisco, about 5,600 homeless people.
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90 thousand people for a city like los angeles.

One if not the richest city in the world

What a shame!!!!!

quit responding to yourself, lol.

First of all, I'VE never been to the U.S.?? LOL! I'm american dip-s**t. It's quite obvious with your broken english and "cut and paste" style that you've NEVER stepped foot in the states, at least never in California, because ANY HUMAN knows that has been in California that the minimum wage there is NOT $5.15/hr!

The California minimum wage is $6.75/hr. AND, in the city of San Francisco it is $8.50/hr by that city's ordinance, as long as someone works more than TWO hours per week. States don't have to abide by the federal minimum wage, but they CAN, and many DO have higher minimum wages!! As in the state of California. There are 18 states and the district of columbia in the U.S. that have minimum wages higher than the federal minimum wage.

And, in California right now;

Minimum Wage in State Legislatures in 2006

"In California, Governor Schwarzenegger has proposed to increase the state’s minimum wage to $7.75/hour from the current $6.75/hour, with the first 50-cent hike coming on September 1, 2006 and the second in July 2007."

quote:

"Currently eighteen states (Alaska, California, Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Hawaii, Illinois, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, New Jersey, New York, Oregon, Rhode Island, Vermont, Washington, and Wisconsin) and the District of Columbia have a minimum wage greater than the federal. Following this trend, FIFTEEN MORE states are considering ballot or legislative measures to raise the minimum wage in 2006.




Once again, you're another idiot that posts a "rip it out of the ass" factoid that you have NO CLUE what you're talking about.

Also, in the U.S., if one works more than 8 hours per day or 40 hours per week, he gets paid OVERTIME, that equals 1.5 times their wage, whether it be minimum or not, also, if anyone works on a holiday, they get paid DOUBLE TIME, thats two times THEIR wage, whatever that may be.

Once again, rent in LA, the AVERAGE rent in the city of los angeles is $575/month, and in the county of Los Angeles it's $560/month. Now, that is the average, it's certainly not going to put you in a penthouse, but you can also find rent for cheaper than the average, naturally. And I can guarantee you this, it certainly puts you in a nicer place than the 200,000 pst's, or pessoas sem terra, in their tents made out of hefty trash bags propped up by sticks along the side of the highway. You must be the same idiot that continues to post that the average home price in the state of California is 800,000 dollars....LMAO!

Also, the 90,000 "homeless" in LA, by your own cut and paste job, 27,000 have mental problems. But isn't it coincidental, that these cities with significant populations of "homeless", at least significant for the U.S., it would be a hurculean task to get these types of numbers in brazil, are cities with the greatest numbers of ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS!!! Los Angeles, New York, etc, etc. Funny how that is isn't it??

You, or anyone, only makes themselves appear truly ignorant when trying to compare any economic situation in brazil, with the U.S. It truly shows that you either have no clue about the U.S. and have never been there, or you have no clue about brazil, or have never been there.

80 MILLION brazilians make less than 2 DOLLARS per day......80 MILLION!!!! That's nearly HALF of the frickin' population!!!!!!!

Now, let's try and compare the reality in brazil with the U.S., the true realities.....do you want some numbers??? I seriously don't think you do, because it's quite embarrassing for brazil.

I couldn't agree more with the above post. That guy has no clue what he's talking about and has clearly never been to the USA. For one, why the hell did he pick Los Angeles as an example like that's the only place to live in the country! That's one city in one state, which by the way is the most expensive state in continental America to live in! I know for a fact that in a nice city in Michigan you can rent a clean and safe apartment for $400 a month. Why do people post if they have no idea what they're talking about?! I've never been to Colombia, so I'm not going to start posting about what it's like to find an apartment in Bogota!

my friend, they post these idiotic numbers, never even having stepped foot in the U.S., because they see things being written that are not flattering to brazil, and there are MANY realities here in brazil that unfortunately are truly horrific. So, they have to try and show a horrific situation in the states so they can say, "hey, you got problems too". But what these type of knuckleheads don't realize, is that the severe problems in BASIC fundamental necessities and needs can hardly be described as "problematic" in the U.S. Unfortunately brazil is a POOR third-world country, well, let me take part of that back, brazilians are POOR, generally speaking. Brazil is a country rich in resources, the people that run and govern the country are rich, but the PEOPLE, generally speaking, are POOR. And POOR in brazil, and POOR in the U.S, are COMPLETELY TWO DIFFERENT THINGS/REALITIES!

The U.S. doesn't have nearly half its population making less than $60 a month and 30% of its population threatened by hunger. It's something that the great majority of americans can't even fathom!

Even 7,75 after before taxes does not pay the bill in California


560 dollars for rent in Los angeles???


Must be the biggest joke ever
.

But what these type of knuckleheads don't realize, is that the severe problems in BASIC fundamental necessities and needs can hardly be described as "problematic" in the U.S.



poverty is a big problem today in America. The fact that people do not talk about does mean does not exsit.

Katrina was a good window for the problem in America





:Most place do not offer fulltime jobs. The reason that they do not offer that kind of benefits i because is cheaper for the corporartion

the person makes only 6,75 e are offer only 5 hours a day
most place do not offer any kind of benefits.


Most poor people need to work around 16 hours a day to get money to pay the bill/

. Three key reasons for the poverty of the working poor come from a recent report of the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS): 1. Low earnings: Low-wage work with below poverty earnings was the biggest single cause of poverty. Low wages, low earnings, and low income trap millions of American working men and women in a vicious cycle of poverty. 2. Involuntary part-time work: If you want a fulltime job and a full-time paycheck, but you can only find part-time work, the odds are high that you will fall below the poverty line. 3. Unemployment: If you lose or can’t find a job, if you suffer spells of unemployment, the odds are high that your total earnings and your total income are going to be low, and you will be in poverty.

Number of working poor families growing in America
Although the War on Poverty was declared in the 1960s, a poor family today in 2005 is much worse off than the average poor family in the 1960s, because official poverty measures have failed to keep up with changing basic needs, according to a new report.

"An Atlas of Poverty in America: One Nation Pulling Apart, 1960-2003" has just been published by a team of Penn State researchers. The project was funded by the Ford Foundation. An expanded version of the atlas, with updated and new sections, will be published by Routledge this fall.

"America has become a nation of people where all able persons who can work, do, but many can not make ends meet," says Dr. Amy Glasmeier, lead author and the E. Willard Miller Professor of Economic Geography at Penn State. "America is not currently doing all it can to assist working families, those who are discriminated against in the labor market, and the disabled, to make ends meet. "Current U.S. poverty rates may underestimate poverty among the working poor," she adds. "Being poor in 1960 meant getting by on less than $3,553 for a family of four a year. Families were not expected to own a car or have a bed for each family member, and nothing was budgeted for medical care or insurance. "

Today, official guidelines still assume that families spend about one-third of their income on food, but food spending has dropped to one-sixth, with a larger share of expenses being taken up by housing, utilities and transportation. If health care and childcare expenses are included as necessities, the minimum level of income need by a family of four is much higher.

Over the last 30 years, the number of jobs that do not pay a living wage has increased dramatically. In the U.S., as many as 25 percent of all jobs pay less than a poverty-level income, the report says. In some states, as many as 30 percent do not pay a living wage.

A living wage takes into account differences in the cost of living across areas of the U.S. In many communities, the national minimum wage of $5.15 per hour provides an income insufficient to support individuals or families, the report says.

The research project's web site provides a living wage calculator, which shows the amount of income needed to support individuals, and families of two and four persons. The tool illustrates the types of jobs that do and do not pay living wages for communities around the country http://www.livingwage.geog.psu.edu/.

"Of the more than 35 million persons classified as living in poverty, most are children, disabled or elderly," Glasmeier notes. "But 7 million of them are men and women who are working at jobs that do not pay a wage they can live on. A majority of working poor are over age 24 and in their wage-earning period of life."

The working poor are found in every state, according to the report. In 17 states, the majority of working poor totals more than 50 percent of the working age population. Such states are concentrated in the Farm Belt, where economic decline has been ongoing for the last 20 years, and in the West, where population growth has helped keep wages low, say the researchers.

"Working poor families with children are even more concentrated in the South, Southwest and the western Plain states," Glasmeier says.

The Atlas maps the effect of poverty by regions (Appalachia, the Mississippi Delta, Native American nations, and the Border region); and by specific populations (children, women, elderly, Black families) through charts, maps and tables. It also outlines the history of poverty and American poverty policy from the 1930s to 2004.

"Certainly, progress has been made over the intervening 40 years in terms of an overall minimum standard of living as measured by material conditions," the researchers write. "In the last 40 years, the largest positive change occurred for the poor elderly. In 1959, 35.2 percent lived below the poverty line; today, it is 10 percent. A combination of programs i.e. Social Security and Medicare has been one of the main reasons. Still, more than 40 percent of elderly persons live on incomes only twice the national poverty level, which is approximately $18,000 a year."

Looming trade deficits, growing disparity in the availability of good jobs, reduced returns to investments in education, and the loss of labor-intensive manufacturing jobs in America's low-wage region raise serious questions. Individuals and families at greatest risk for poverty today are men with less than a college education, people of color (especially Blacks and Hispanics), working families and families headed by women, and a significant number of the nation's elderly who live at or close to the poverty line, the report says.

"The problem of persistent poverty is a complex one that includes communities and individuals, who through no fault of their own, find themselves unable to make ends meet in this globalizing, information-intensive world," the researchers say. "We are a more diverse population and a more dispersed population. If anything, the gap between the economically secure and the poor is more severe than it was four decades ago. In many families today, children cannot say they expect to be better off than their parents. This is perhaps the greatest challenge now facing our society."

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An abbreviated version of Atlas of Poverty is available by contacting Debra Lambert, Earth and Environmental Systems Institute, 2217 Earth & Engineering Science Bldg., University Park, PA 16802, or by phone at 814-863-7091.

"America has become a nation of people where all able persons who can work, do, but many can not make ends meet,"

Sem terra is just a mob group

They invade land,
pretend to be rural people

get the land

sell later ,


Start over again.


You need to inform yourself better

If you're hungry with little or no money for a meal, you're not alone. In fact, you're part of a growing group of Americans living on the edge, scraping the bottom of the barrel.

A recent Census Bureau survey shows that 12 million families worried about paying for food last year, while a third of their members, parents or children, heard the growl of an empty stomach. It's the third year in a row that the U.S. has seen an increase in hungry households.

But it's not just hunger that's on the rise. Plain old poverty is a fact of life for some 34.6 million Americans, 1.7 million more than the year before. And working Americans are not immune to the struggle. The myth that the working poor can support their families has been punctured.

Two years after Barbara Ehrenreich's landmark book, "Nickel and Dimed: On (Not) Getting By in America," the number of low-wage workers who can't afford a meal or adequate housing is mounting. The various service jobs Ehrenreich held to research the book -- as a maid, waitress, and sales clerk -- taught her the hard-bitten realities of low-wage work. She couldn't afford health insurance, a car, a decent place to live, childcare or a nutritious meal. Her wages hovered at about seven dollars an hour. Any better since publication? Nope.

"Since the book was written, things have changed for the worse," she says. "Unemployment is higher, and it's harder to get jobs _ even terrible jobs." When employers know that plenty of people are pounding the pavement, "they don't treat their workers well. They don't raise wages, and they don't offer health coverage."

Ehrenreich believes the numbers of poor are actually far higher than government statistics indicate. She blames the out-dated method of measuring poverty developed in the 1960s; based on the price of food, it doesn't take into account the inflated costs of housing that can eat 50 percent of a poor person's budget. Ehrenreich estimates that a startling 20-29 percent of the population lives in poverty, twice as high as official estimates.

Despite the rise in the number of destitute Americans, our government is favoring the well-to-do. Witness the massive tax cuts for the wealthy, the child tax credit that left out 6.5 million low-income families, cuts to promised education programs, and so on. The U.S. is a "backward country," says Ehrenreich, because we don't offer national health insurance, childcare subsidies, or affordable housing, unlike many of our European cousins.

The legacy of the New Deal, which promised every able American adult a job with decent wages, is languishing. More than 60 years ago President Roosevelt declared in his State of the Union speech: "In our personal ambitions we are individualists. But in our seeking for economic and political progress as a nation, we all go up, or else we all go down, as one people."

Those principles remain true today. The pillars of democracy -- economic and political freedoms -- are sturdy, but they ought not be built on the backs of the working poor.

In the face of federal apathy, a slew of cities and states are starting to take action to rectify the plight of the neediest, by raising the minimum wage for workers or creating local tax credits. College students across the country, from Miami University to Yale, from Stanford to Harvard, have protested in support of campus blue-collar workers. Unions have faithfully fought on the vanguard of the wage battle.

As the holidays approach, let's acknowledge the large numbers of Americans who can't celebrate. The working poor, the undernourished, the homeless. But let's do more than open our wallets and toss coins into the Salvation Army buckets. Let's match our impulse giving with a mature commitment to long-term solutions for our country's intractable problem: the forgotten poor. We can join campaigns for affordable housing and higher wages. Advocate for national health insurance. Stand up for childcare for working families.

The hidden poor are our neighbors, people we pass daily on city streets or meet in the local post office or coffee shop. People who ring up our purchases or hand us our take-out. No one, not even federal lawmakers, can tell us they don't exist.

(Swanee Hunt, former lectures at Harvard's Kennedy School of Government. She is the former U.S. ambassador to Austria, and can be reached at response@swaneehunt.org.)

© Copyright 2005 Capitol Hill Blue

1. She had an ANGLE- an ambition to expose something so that she could write a heart-churner and receive credit for it!

2. Now cross-reference the "stats" in this story with those of Brazil.
That's the point! Why can't you understand that?!

"Katrina was a good window for the problem in America "


HAHAHAHA!!! Unreal!!! Just have to love these idiots that have NOTHING else to point to be a frickin' HURRICANE!!! LMAO!


Here's some stats on the poor in america!


These stats are from NUMEROUS U.S. gov't. reports as well as the census bureau and an article written by 2 Ph.D's, but I guess you're ignorant ass that has never stepped foot in the states is smarter than them....LOL.


http://www.heritage.org/Research/Welfare/bg1713.cfm


quote:

"Poverty is an important and emotional issue. Last year, the Census Bureau released its annual report on poverty in the United States declaring that there were nearly 35 million poor persons living in this country in 2002, a small increase from the preceding year. To understand poverty in America, it is IMPORTANT TO LOOK BEHIND THESE NUMBERS --to LOOK AT THE ACTUAL LIVING CONDITIONS OF THE INDIVIDUALS THE GOVERNMENT DEEMS TO BE POOR."



QUOTE:

"For most Americans, the word "poverty" suggests destitution: an inability to provide a family with nutritious food, clothing, and reasonable shelter. But only a small number of the 35 million persons classified as "poor" by the Census Bureau fit that description. While real material hardship certainly does occur, it is limited in scope and severity. Most of America's "poor" live in material conditions that would be judged as comfortable or well-off just a few generations ago. Today, the expenditures per person of the lowest-income one-fifth (or quintile) of households equal those of the median American household in the early 1970s, after adjusting for inflation."

STATISTICS:

The following are facts about persons defined as "poor" by the Census Bureau, taken from various government reports:


Forty-six percent of all poor households actually own their own homes. The average home owned by persons classified as poor by the Census Bureau is a three-bedroom house with one-and-a-half baths, a garage, and a porch or patio.

Seventy-six percent of poor households have air conditioning. By contrast, 30 years ago, only 36 percent of the entire U.S. population enjoyed air conditioning.

Only 6 percent of poor households are overcrowded. More than two-thirds have more than two rooms per person.

The average poor American has MORE LIVING SPACE THAN THE AVERAGE INDIVIDUAL LIVING IN PARIS, LONDON, VIENNA, AND ATHENS AND OTHER CITIES THROUGHOUT EUROPE!! (These comparisons are to the average citizens in foreign countries, not to those classified as poor.)

Nearly three-quarters of poor households own a car;

30 percent own two or more cars.

Ninety-seven percent of poor households have a color television; over half own two or more color televisions.

Seventy-eight percent have a VCR or DVD player; 62 percent have cable or satellite TV reception.

Seventy-three percent own microwave ovens, more than half have a stereo, and a third have an automatic dishwasher.



As a group, America's poor are FAR FROM BEING CHRONICALLY UNDERNOURISHED. The average consumption of protein, vitamins, and minerals is virtually the SAME for poor and middle-class children and, in most cases, is well above recommended norms. Poor children ACTUALLY CONSUME MORE MEAT THAN DO HIGHER-INCOME CHILDREN and have average protein intakes 100 PERCENT ABOVE RECOMMENDED LEVELS. Most poor children today are, in fact, SUPERNOURISHED and grow up to be, on average, one inch taller and 10 pounds heavier that the GIs who stormed the beaches of Normandy in World War II.


QUOTE:

"Overall, the typical American defined as poor by the government has a car, air conditioning, a refrigerator, a stove, a clothes washer and dryer, and a microwave. He has two color televisions, cable or satellite TV reception, a VCR or DVD player, and a stereo. He is able to obtain medical care. His home is in good repair and is not overcrowded. By his own report, his family is not hungry and he had sufficient funds in the past year to meet his family's essential needs. While this individual's life is not opulent, it is equally far from the popular images of dire poverty conveyed by the press, liberal activists, and politicians.(OR STUPID IDIOTS WHOM HAVE NEVER STEPPED FOOT IN THE COUNTRY!) lol.


QUOTE:


"Housing Quality
Of course, it might be possible that the housing of poor American households could be spacious but still dilapidated or unsafe. However, data from the American Housing Survey indicate that such is not the case. For example, the survey provides a tally of households with "severe physical problems." Only a tiny portion of poor households and an even smaller portion of total households fall into that category.

The most common "severe problem," according to the American Housing Survey, is a shared bathroom, which occurs when occupants lack a bathroom and must share bathroom facilities with individuals in a neighboring unit. This condition affects about 1 percent of all U.S. households and 2 percent of all poor households. About one-half of 1 percent (0.5 percent) of all households and 2 percent of poor households have other "severe physical problems." The most common are repeated heating breakdowns and upkeep problems."

The poor in america are bitching about sharing a bathroom...in a house!! The poor in brazil are looking for a hole to take a s**t in beside their tent made out of hefty bags on the side of the road! LOL!


QUOTE:

"Hunger and Malnutrition in America
There are frequent charges of widespread hunger and malnutrition in the United States.To understand these assertions, it is important, first of all, to distinguish between hunger and the more severe problem of malnutrition. Malnutrition (also called undernutrition) is a condition of reduced health due to a chronic shortage of calories and nutriments. THERE IS LITTLE OR NO EVIDENCE OF POVERTY-INDUCED MALNUTRITION IN THE UNITED STATES."!!!!!!!

And brazil??




QUOTE:


CONCLUSION



The living conditions of persons defined as poor by the government bear little resemblance to notions of "poverty" held by the general public. If poverty is defined as lacking adequate nutritious food for one's family, a reasonably warm and dry apartment to live in, or a car with which to get to work when one is needed, THEN THERE ARE RELATIVELY FEW POOR PERSONS REMAINING IN THE UNITED STATES. Real material hardship does occur, but it is limited in scope and severity.

The typical American defined as "poor" by the government has a car, air conditioning, a refrigerator, a stove, a clothes washer and dryer, and a microwave. He has two color televisions, cable or satellite TV reception, a VCR or DVD player, and a stereo. He is able to obtain medical care. His home is in good repair and is not overcrowded. By his own report, his family is not hungry and he had sufficient funds in the past year to meet his family's essential needs. While this individual's life is not opulent, it is equally far from the popular images of dire poverty conveyed by the press, liberal activists, and politicians.

But the living conditions of the average poor person should not be taken to mean that all poor Americans live without hardship. There is a wide range of living conditions among the poor. Roughly a third of poor households do face material hardships such as overcrowding, intermittent food shortages, or difficulty obtaining medical care. However, even these households would be judged to have high living standards IN COMPARISON TO MOST OTHER PEOPLE IN THE WORLD.

"Sem terra is just a mob group

They invade land,
pretend to be rural people

get the land

sell later ,


Start over again."


LOL....this guy is an absolute IDIOT!!!

Yeah, those MST's are all really rich landlords that are perpetrating the worlds biggest hoax of all time!! Living in those plastic tents with their babies running around naked and malnourished....it's all a big hoax so they can "steal" more land and add it to their portfolio huh bozo??

567 rent in los angeles??
people make 6,75 in san francsco em have to pay 1200 dollars for rent.

what a bad joke



SAN FRANCISCO — Apartment rents rose in virtually all of the West’s largest metropolitan markets, but the increases remained well below the inflation rate almost everywhere outside Southern California, according to a real estate report released Thursday.

The metro area consisting of Los Angeles and Orange counties remained the West’s most expensive place to live in an apartment with an average monthly rent of $1,419 through June, based on statistics compiled by RealFacts, a Novato, Calif.-based real estate research firm.

The average rent in the Los Angeles metro market climbed 6.2 percent from the same time last year — the second biggest increase among the 20 Western markets surveyed by RealFacts.

The biggest increase occurred east of Los Angeles, in the rapidly growing area of San Bernardino and Riverside counties, where the high demand enabled apartment landlords to raise the average rent 6.9 percent to $1,045.

The only other metro markets where rents increased by at least 3 percent were: Las Vegas, up 6.1 percent to $803; Fresno, up 4.3 percent to $722 per month; Reno, up 4.2 percent to $798 per month; and San Diego County, up 3.2 percent to $1,236 per month.

Among the Western markets survey, Colorado Springs, Colo., was the only place where rents declined, falling 1.8 percent to $711 per month. In the nearby Denver market, rents edged up 0.6 percent to $851 per month.

In the rest of the West, apartment rent increases ranged between 0.3 percent in Tucson, Ariz. to 1.9 percent in Albuquerque, N.M.

Even small rent increases represents a shift in the San Francisco Bay area, where landlords had been dramatically lowering their prices for years after the dot-com bust wiped out thousands of jobs and forced many residents to either leave the region or move in with family or friends.

The average rent in the five-county San Francisco metro market stood at $1,323 in June, a 1 percent increase. The region’s average apartment rent peaked at $1,628 in March 2001, according to RealFacts.

Although California remains the only Western market where apartment rents average more than $1,000 per month, that price looks like a relative bargain next to the rapidly rising cost of home ownership of the state.

In the Bay Area, the typical monthly mortgage payment had increased 8 percent to $2,646, according to DataQuick Information Systems, another real estate research service. The typical monthly payment in Southern California increased at a slower pace than some apartment rents, climbing 4.8 percent to $2,021, DataQuick said.

Home owners get two major benefits that renters don’t — tax deductions on their mortgage interest and rising equity as long as their property appreciates. Over the past year, a mid-priced home in the Bay Area picked up $94,000 in equity while a mid-priced Southern California home added $59,000 in equity, DataQuick said.

The unusually wide gap between apartment rents and home values is making many economists nervous because they believe it’s a sign housing prices are reaching unsustainable heights, setting the stage for a jarring comedown.


Copyright © 2006 The Reno Gazette-Journal

AT A GLANCE

Copyright © 2006 The Reno Gazette-Journal


Average rents in major Western markets (metropolitan area: average June 30 rent,% change from previous year):
Los Angeles/Orange counties: $1,419, +6.2%
San Francisco/Oakland: $1,323, +1.0%
Ventura County, Calif.: $1,317, +1.7%
San Jose, Calif.: $1,293, +1.4%
San Diego: $1,236, +3.2%
Solano County, Calif.: $1,072, +0.6%
San Bernardino/Riverside counties: $1,045, +6.9%

Remeber when I asked why you chose the most expensive region to use as an example? Because you clearly know nothing about the USA and evidently don't even read the articles you post:

"The metro area consisting of Los Angeles and Orange counties remained the West’s most expensive place to live"

Why didn't you answer the question? Because you don't know anything about the USA! I mean come on, everyone around the world knows about Los Angeles, that's part of the reason it's expensive to live there! Why don't you try a more average American city? Can you even name a mid-sized city in the states?! Maybe you should just stay quiet and save yourself the embarassment.

Gee i guess that We should just ignore the poor people in california ,right Cowboy

Did you ever went to greyround bus station in the big cities.

The reason that you don't have poor in this"" middle towns apple pie " is because they ship this people to the big cities.

Please give me a break.


Nice town in America are shiping their poor to the bigss cities

Are Suburban Police Dumping The Homeless Downtown?
California | Social & Demographics
Posted by: Abhijeet Chavan
25 September, 2005 - 11:00am

Los Angeles Police Department offices claim to have observered police cars from suburban police departments 'dump' homeless people in downtown Los Angeles.

Officers from the Los Angeles Police Department said they have observed police cars from at least four suburban departments drop off what appeared to be homeless people on the streets of downtown Los Angeles in the last year, their captain said Friday...

...Though acknowledging that "dumping" was a common practice years ago, [officials from suburban police departments] now say their departments have strict bans on the practice...

...Downtown officials and police have long suspected that other departments were dumping the homeless, mentally ill people and criminals in downtown, but have found little solid proof...

...Some social service providers drew a distinction between bringing a person downtown for services — which they said was understandable — and dropping someone off on a street corner with only the hope that the person would seek treatment or help."
Source: Los Angeles Times, Sep 24, 2005
Full Story: Four Suburbs Said to Have 'Dumped' Homeless in L.A.

Now you are off of your original point, which I asked one simple question about when you first made the statement and you can't even answer it.

you:
"LOLLL

Do you know the meaning of the word Average.

You have around 20 million people living in the mininal wage in America

Do you know how much is that??

5,15 p/h my friend.

5,15 times 160 hours in the mounth come to 824 dollars

Just a 1 bedroom in Los Angelses is around 900 dollars

a person with a full thank a week would have pay around 25 per week =100 dollars for mounth.

Forget about food, eletric bill, water, bus pass etc etc



If you see the numbers og people in America making minimal wage they arein the hole only with the rent in los angeles."

The worse thing about this is the above statement where you try to make a point about all of the people in America but in the same sentence you mention an isolated situation related to one city (which happens to be one of the most expensive) from the entire country. Do you remeber typing that faulty, bulls**t argument now? That was all I was arguing about and you couldn't answer my question because in your blind, tormaented and no doubt jealoys rage everything's going over your meager little head Gaucho.

Hide de poor and pretend they do not exist



I guess people like you want ot hide the real poverty in America cowboy.,.
Thank God the courts did not make legal to a person that is homeless to become a crimninal.


Homeless can rest easy
Court of Appeals strikes down no-sleeping ordinance
BY RICK ORLOV, Staff Writer

In what could be a far-reaching victory for homeless advocates, a federal appeals court ruled Friday that Los Angeles police must stop arresting people who are sleeping or sitting on public sidewalks when shelter beds are not available.

If it is allowed to stand, the 2-1 decision by the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals could have broad ramifications as city and county officials seek to deal with the area's estimated 80,000 homeless residents and move many off downtown's Skid Row.

"Anyone who cares about homelessness and finding positive solutions to this serious issue in our community will be encouraged by this decision," said Ramona Ripston, executive director of the ACLU and a member of the city's Homeless Service Authority.

Originally filed in February 2003 against the Los Angeles Police Department and Chief Bill Bratton, the suit challenged a city ordinance making it illegal to sit, sleep or lie on a public sidewalk.

It came as officials were trying to crack down on the homeless and as the downtown area began its economic transformation.

Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa said the lawsuit reaffirms the direction in which the city has been moving for the past several months.

"That is why we have begun a safe-cities initiative that doesn't focus on the homeless; it focuses on the crimes of the homeless" Villaraigosa said. "We are already moving in the direction of complying with the court."

City Attorney Rocky Delgadillo said in a statement that he was disappointed in the ruling against the city and would be studying it to make a recommendation to the mayor and City Council on the next potential legal step.

ACLU attorney Mark Rosenbaum, who argued the case last December before the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals, called it the most significant decision ever reached involving the homeless.

"What this says is that the city can no longer consider homelessness a crime," Rosenbaum said. "It can have reasonable restrictions on its city streets, but it can't have a 24/7 ban. The city and the county need to provide shelter for the homeless.

"My hope is that the city will now treat homelessness as a social problem affecting all of us, not a crime."

Los Angeles police officials said in a statement that the ruling will not affect their efforts to control violent crime.

"The condition of being homeless in and of itself is not a crime and should not be treated as such," the statement said. "But, the criminal element that preys upon the homeless and mentally ill will be targeted, arrested and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

"Enforcement alone will not solve the tremendous problems on Skid Row. The homeless problem did not occur overnight. It has existed for many years and, unfortunately, there is no easy fix.

"The department will work with the city's political leadership and the courts to find solutions."

Rosenbaum said the case served to show that despite the claims of officials, there are an insufficient number of shelter beds to house the homeless.

"We had expert after expert come up and say there are nowhere near the (number of) beds needed for the homeless," Rosenbaum said. "What this suit says is that the city cannot arrest someone if there is no shelter available."

Last month, county officials announced a $100 million program to add, expand and coordinate homeless services. In addition, Villaraigosa has set aside $50 million in the city's housing trust fund to provide temporary housing.

As part of the county plan, homeless centers would be created in different communities to prevent the continued dumping of the homeless in the Skid Row area.

The lawsuit was filed on behalf of six homeless people, all of whom were arrested by police for sleeping on the street.

Rosenbaum said the cases represented a cross section of the homeless population, 25 percent of whom

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are children, 20 percent are veterans with the remainder either the working poor or those with drug and alcohol problems.

A lower court had dismissed the case, with the judge saying the city law dealt with conduct and not whether someone was homeless.

The 2-1 ruling issued Friday reverses that and sends it back to the lower court to determine whether an injunction should be issued.

U.S. District Judge Kim Wardlaw wrote the opinion, saying the city's law prohibiting people from sleeping on public sidewalks violated the Eighth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, which prohibits cruel and unusual punishment.

"(It) is an unavoidable consequence of being human and homeless without shelter in the city of Los Angeles & because there is a substantial and undisputed evidence that the number of homeless persons in Los Angeles far exceeds the number of available shelter beds at all times," Wardlaw wrote.

Judge Pamela Ann Rymer dissented, saying the city ordinance did not target the homeless, but those with criminal records.

Staff Writer Brad A. Greenberg contributed to this report.

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Who the plaintiffs are; what they were doing

The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals on Friday struck down a Los Angeles ordinance that made it a crime for homeless people to sleep on the streets when there is no shelter available.

Here is a brief profile of the plaintiffs who challenged the constitutionality of the ordinance.

Robert Lee Purrie, in his early 60s, had lived on Skid Row for 40 years and was sleeping on the sidewalk at Sixth Street and Towne Avenue when he was cited Dec. 5, 2002. He was arrested Jan. 14, 2003, at the same location after failing to pay a fine from the earlier case. After the second violation, Purrie was given a 12-month suspended sentence and fined $195. He later complained that his blankets, clothes and other belongings that he left when he was arrested were gone when he returned.

Stanley Barger suffered a brain injury in a 1998 car crash. His monthly income totaled $221 in welfare payments, plus food stamps. He was arrested Dec. 24, 2002, at Sixth and Towne, convicted of violating the city's ordinance and sentenced to two days time served.

Thomas Cash was unemployed, suffering from severe kidney disease and living in Skid Row hotels or on the street when he was arrested Jan. 10, 2003. He told officials he had tired while walking to the hotel where he was staying and was resting on a tree stump when he was cited by LAPD officers.

Edward Jones cared for his wife, Janet, who suffered from serious physical and mental afflictions that made it difficult for him to work full time. The couple used welfare payments to stay in Skid Row hotels the first half of each month, but slept on the street after the money ran out. They were sleeping on the sidewalk at Industrial and Alameda streets when they were cited Nov. 20, 2002.

Patricia and George Vinson also used their welfare payments to stay in hotels, moving to shelters when their money ran out. They had missed the bus to take them to a shelter and were sleeping on the sidewalk at Hope and Washington streets when they were cited Dec. 3, 2002.



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IBrazil should learn with America. Just dump all the poor in some locations(big cities and claim that is i isolated cases

LOLLLLLLL


f you are able to dump all your poor in one place the problem does not go away my friend

The way work in America is by shippping the poor to the big cities


In that wat Apple pie small town America can look good for tourist to see.

You still haven't answered my question. Anyone can copy and paste a bunch of crap, but the problem is that judging by 1. your horrible command of the English language and 2. the fact that you clearly don't understand the stories you are pasting or the ones on this website for that matter, it's a waste of time to argue woth you. It's akin to arguing with a two-year-old: you ask them one question and instead of answering it they just repeat the same thing over and over while pooping in their pants and then spreading it on the walls.

FIrst of all, that's the worse English I've ever heard.

Most importantly, you show how truly ignorant you are and how you have no right to post about America when you deduce crap like this:

"In that wat Apple pie small town America can look good for tourist to see."

Hey dips**t! The tourists go to big cities like LA!
Grow a brain!

Keep lying to yoyrself

The information above is from American Newspapers

If you don't like it go complain with then

Tourists go to Disneyland

No skid row in downtown NY city and Los angeles.

he can't even speak english....LMAO!!!

He hasn't even commented on the poor in brazil. He hasn't even commented on the "poor" in america from legitimate studies and research that have been done there.

Like the above poster said, america is much more than Los Angeles. Imagine if everyone would compare Brazil to the richest place in Sao Paulo, then compare it against the MILLIONS that make minimum wage....YOU'RE AN IDIOT!!! YOU ARE BLIND!!! HOW DOES IT FEEL??!!

you're not answering the questions snitznitz!!!


And are you actually going to try and compare the economic situation with brazil and the U.S.??? Is that what you're doing????


HALF OF YOUR f**kING POPULATION IS SURVING ON LESS THEN 2 DOLLAR PER DAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


HALF!!!!!!!!!!!!


ANSWER THAT NUMBNUTZ!!!!!!!!!!


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!!!!!

YOU'RE PEOPLE ARE SO f**kING POOR THAT THEY'RE LITERALLY STARVING TO DEATH!!!!!!!!!!!


THEY'RE DYING FROM MALNUTRITION AND DEHYDRATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


NOW, THIS IS NOT A LAUGHING MATTER, BUT IF YOU ARE GOING TO TRY AND COMPARE THE U.S. TO THIS YOU ARE f**kING THE MOST IGNORANT HUMAN ON THIS PLANET!!!!

WHY ARE BRAZILIANS BY THE THOUSAND RUNNING TO THE UNITED STATES?????


ANSWER THAT QUESTION!!!!! WHY???????????

READ THIS!!!!!!!!!


http://www.brown.edu/Departments/Sociology/faculty/silver/sirs/papers/veras-english.pdf


Study by Brown University...one of the top university's in the WORLD pertaining to this type of research...and one of the TOP in the world period!



"there is major presence of Brazilian social inequality. Unequal distribution of resources

The unequal distribution of resources is, thus, detached as the main determinant for poverty in Brazil, especially income inequality that has been remaining for centuries in surprising stability, one of the highest in the international comparison. In the economical measurement of inequality, the traditional instruments are usually the above-mentioned GINI coefficient; the THEIL index; the ratio between the average income of the richest 10% and of the poorest 40%; the ratio between the average income of the richest 20% and the average income of the poorest 20%.

The international comparison with GINI coefficients reveals that only South Africa and Malawi have degrees of inequality higher than Brazil’s, where it is 0.60. “... it represents, in the group of 92 countries with available information, a pattern only reached by the four countries with the highest degree of inequality: Guatemala, Brazil, South Africa and Malawi.”

About the ratio between the richest 10% and the poorest 40%, there is a certain pattern in the international distribution with figures stretching to 20% at most. In Brazil it is 28, while in other countries it is lower: in the United States (5), France (6,5), Argentina (10) and Colombia (15), Ivory Coast (20). The value of 28 times of the average income of the richest 10% and of the poorest 40% PUTS BRAZIL IN A DISTANT POSITION FROM ANY RECOGNIZABLE PATTERN IN INTERNATIONAL SCENE IN TERMS OF DISTRIBUTIVE JUSTICE!!!!

On what concerns the ratio between average income of the richest 20% and of the poorest 20%, the majority of the countries presents this ratio under 10. Once again, according to information given by the Report of Human Development of 1999 (PNUD), BRAZIL IS THE COUNTRY WITH THE HIGHEST DEGREE OF INEQUALITY because the ratio between average income of the richest 20% and the poorest 20% gets over the expanded value of 30, putting it in the singular position of CHAMPION OF INEQUALITY!!!



FOR THE LOVE OF GOD....ARE YOU STILL GOING TO TRY AND DEFEND THIS s**tHOLE??

You do a very poor job taking care of the poor in America.Since the Us economy is 10 times the size of Brazil i just a shame that you can find 100 thousand people homeless in

America

20 million people to able to making a living because they do only 6,75 p/h

Sad that 40 million people in America can not afford medical.

Very sad

In Brazil 40% of economy is informal


probable you have half of the population claim that make only 300 reais per mounth

The lie my friend


Why??

Taxes


Policia Federal in Brazil is find that people are claiming they do 300 reais a mounth and at the same time have credicard bill around 2500 reais a mounth

Suprise.

90% of the poeple that get rent money in Btazil do not report their earning to the State.


Tons of people make sometimes 2000 reais a mouunth and claim poverty in their income taxes


Again,the reason you have big numbers in poverty in Brazil is because they lie.

I'm not say that is free of poverty.

Just saying the numbers are wrong beecause people lie

"Again,the reason you have big numbers in poverty in Brazil is because they lie.

I'm not say that is free of poverty.

Just saying the numbers are wrong beecause people lie"

-That really bodes well for your defense of the country. Pull your head out of your ass and stop arguing youself into corners.

The statistics from the United Nations and the brazilian governemt itself are all lies huh?? LOL.

So I guess it's all a big lie that 80 million brazilians live on less than $2/day huh?

And the MST is really a rich bunch of land barons stealing land to add to their portfolio huh??

Brazilian is the world champion of INEQUALITY!! Obviously, you're one that wants to see it remain that way. Your lies and attitude are a shame to humanity!

"Sad that 40 million people in America can not afford medical."


Shame that 80 MILLION, over 40% of the brazilian population, can't afford anything, even sufficient food for their families, let alone medical!!

"90% of the poeple that get rent money in Btazil do not report their earning to the State."

Surprise, ANY type of FEDERAL aid in the states is not counted as income when counting statistics for the "poor" in the U.S. as when the census bureau reports.

"Shame that 80 MILLION, over 40% of the brazilian population, can't afford anything, even sufficient food for their families, let alone medical!! "



Brazil is not richest country in the world


America is

So base on that fact It is a SHAME that 40 million people do not have a place to go when they are sick

The statistics from the United Nations and the brazilian governemt itself are all lies huh?? LOL.

I never said the ONU lies or the Brazilian government lie


The people that do not pay taxes lie

The information that is compute by the govermment is wrong because the govermment does not know how is lying and how is saying the true

Is just data


Most of the people that do not pay taxes works with money only

They use what they call in Brazil " Laranjas"

The put their money in other people name and exchange product witout invoice


Again the fact that a person claim poverty in the income taxex that this fact is true

A person claim poverty in the income taxes in Brazil in most of the cases are just not saying the true

And the MST is really a rich bunch of land barons stealing land to add to their portfolio huh??

MST is just a a comunist gruop that just beleive that the best way to solve problmes is true violence.


MSt is a very bad group

Do you want to know hoe the MST workds?

most of the time you have a lawyer that is behind this invasion.


Most people claim they want the land because they want to work



After they are sucessfull getting the land they sell the land and go for the next invasion


This is a fact

Most of then are professional

yeah, I see their "offices" on the sides of the road here in the northeast....nice and portable those hefty trash bags....very professional and cutting edge indeed!

"So base on that fact It is a SHAME that 40 million people do not have a place to go when they are sick"

Once again, shows your ignorance, they do have a place to go dumbf**k, lol, they go to the hospital. Paying the bill is another situation entirely.

yeah, I see their "offices" on the sides of the road here in the northeast....nice and portable those hefty trash bags....very professional and cutting edge indeed!

You want to pretend to be a poor you need to looklike a poor.

Go back to this area 3 years later and let me know if the same people are working the land that the get from the govermment

STill a shame that poor working people in America can not afford healthcare


40 million peoples is a lot people

Shame!!!!

The USA is soon to be Chinas bitch and already Israels gimp.

RIP Good 0le USA you will be missed

USA to be china's bitch??? LOL. And Brazil?? They already are!

Trust me every body has problems even themost richest countries in the world s**t happens but we still manage to get by or at least try to to me all this bull s**t ive been reading is basically about whos country is better than whos nobody is better than anybody and if you strongly believe youre better than somebody else it is merely an opinion.....now every body get up from youre lazy fat asses and get a job.

Richest damn country on earth yet 40 million are without healthcare and even those who have healthcare must deal with a f-cked up system that places the american dollar over a patient's health.

America locks up her mentally ill in prison or lets them roam the streets instead of giving them adequate treatment.

No job security for working Americans. Can be replaced by an illegal or have your job outsourced to a foreign country if it means an extra buck for your employer.

Not everyone is welcome in Kleen Korners White Apple Pie American suburbia and must flee to the larger cities if they are nonwhite, homosexual or otherwise not blonde or white. The door to suburbia and a $400 a month apartment is closed. Go to LA and pay $900 for a sh-thole.

America is going down the toilet. Greed has destroyed the nation. For all of her wealth, the US govt spends most of its budget on WAR not human needs.

A poor person in America is only slightly better off than a poor person in Brazil.

Halfway through the reading, I collapsed and crawled outside to throw up.
Sorry, I can´t bear ignorant middle class Americans blurting out their viewpoints on things they don´t understand and never will.
Take a good look at your own society, open your eyes or you will never come out of the AMERICAN DREAM.
Ah... this expression sucks.

Yes, are your American slums different from any other slum in the world?
Are your miserables different from any miserable in the world?
Are your prostitutes different from any other prostitutes in the world?
Are your ... n ... different from... in the world?
What kind of a cynic are you?

I thought this thread was about the abuse (or non-abuse) of circus children...

I love the articles written here at Brazzil, but I think we lack a moderator keeping things "on-thread". Yes we have an educational difficulty here in Brasil, as well as a corrupt government (just as ALL OTHERS - just a different style). We have rediculous shows on television that expliot young women dancing while we read the news. Xuxa, bal;h, blah blah... The point is NOT Americans vs. Brasilians... those of you contributing to that point of view or cross threading are a joke! How the hell did Iraq get involved in children in a circus???
Please tell us? I think you need to understand forums or get a BLOG to rant and rave about your theories in a proper forum.
I read this article and have to wade through Brasil vs. the USA (40 or so posts) just to get to 1 or 2 people actually TALKING about the article!!!) This is not a USA vs. BRASIL post (like so many that I see here at Brazzil)... This is about the exploitation of children!
I am against it by the way.
By the way, the copying and pasting of some article you read somewhere without using your actual thoughts and information that you have gained is a joke... (some interesting, but come on). Great Online Mag by the way Brazzil!
Thanks