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Quotas Are Just a Palliative. Brazil Needs Equal Opportunity for All. PDF Print E-mail
Written by Cristovam Buarque   
Friday, 12 May 2006 13:00

Febem, São Paulo, Brazil's institution for delinquent minorsOne hundred twenty years after the abolition of slavery, two photographs, side by side, illustrate how little Brazilian reality has changed. Looking at the photo of a classroom in a federal university, we will see only white faces. A photo taken inside the State Foundation for the Well-Being of the Minor (Febem) juvenile detention system, however, would show only black faces.

Those two photos are enough to cause Brazil shame and indignation. They illustrate the country's century-long inaction in correcting the results of the four preceding centuries. But nothing indicates that Brazil has decided to take the necessary corrective measures.

The first definite action would be a revolution in education assuring equal opportunities to all Brazilian children from birth to high school graduation, no matter the city in which they were born, the color of their skin, or the income of their family.

It is the inequality of opportunity, due to poverty or to birth in a poor city, that causes of the difference in color in the two photos. The racial discrimination in Brazil does not arise from discriminatory laws. Although existing in Brazil, racial prejudice is not sufficient to slow the admission of black students into the university or that of young whites into Febem.

But that action, even if it were to be taken now by nationalizing K-12 education, would take fifteen years to bring about equality of reasonable opportunities in the university and Febem juvenile facilities admissions. Until then, the social discrimination will continue and induce racial discrimination.

This is why the quotas for blacks are a palliative for changing the chronic reality of the two photos. Even so, many Brazilians, perhaps the majority of the population, are against the quota and offer two false arguments.

First, that it will cause a drop in the quality of instruction. This argument is made either by someone who wants to manipulate opinion or someone unfamiliar with the matter. The quotas only benefit those who finish high school and pass the university entrance exam. They merely promote someone who has passed the test, but whose ranking falls below the number of vacancies. In other words, someone who placed 27th when there are 25 openings.

Nothing indicates that after four or five years of university courses, a young person who ranked 25th on the university entrance exam will be a better professional than someone ranking 26th. No one asks a medical doctor for his or her university entrance exam ranking.

Thanks to the quotas, educational quality may even improve for two reasons: one, the number taking the entrance exam may increase because young people who would not otherwise have considered attending the university will be attracted; two, the "quota students" will have to work harder to counter the prejudice against them.

The second argument is that the quota will discriminate against young white applicants who would have to relinquish university spaces to black students. The discrimination would actually be against the young people who studied in quality schools, with guaranteed access to the university, almost all of them white, those who passed the exam because they come from families with an income above the poverty line.

Moreover, I defend the idea that the university placement should not be taken from those classifying; rather, new spaces should be created for young black people who rank below the classification line.

The young black student cited above as an example, who placed 27th in the test, would fill a newly created space in the university, passing over the young white student who would be excluded for ranking 26th on the test. No one classifying would be excluded; there would merely be affirmative discrimination among the non-classified applicants who passed the test.

This will not make the university worse, but neither will it bring any social benefit because the young black student who graduates high school and passes the university entrance exam certainly will not come from a poor family.

Only by creating public schools that assure equal opportunities to all children, be they descendents of free white or of black slaves, will we correct the shame of the two photos, which show the delay in completing the abolition of slavery.

Cristovam Buarque has a Ph.D. in economics. He is a PDT senator for the Federal District and was Governor of the Federal District (1995-98) and Minister of Education (2003-04). You can visit his homepage - www.cristovam.com.br - and write to him at This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it .

Translated from the Portuguese by Linda Jerome - This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it .

Comments (136)Add Comment
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written by Guest, May 12, 2006
What a f**king moron you are, Buarque. Fix the public education system, and don't screw with the private schools or the Unis.
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written by Guest, May 12, 2006
Can you believe this a*****e, he wants to nationalize K-12!! Hey, move to Bolivia moron, we are tired of politicians like you!
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written by Guest, May 12, 2006
Brazil is the country of the future! (and will always be)

Agree Cristovam?
Brazil is the country of the future!
written by Guest, May 12, 2006
Do we have a future? I am glad to know that.

Your statement is highly optimistic! smilies/smiley.gif

There are countries which do not even have that expectation.



Stupidity
written by Guest, May 12, 2006
Christovam Buarque a typical example of how stupid and populist a politician in Brazil can be.

He offers wrong solutions although he himself is part of the problem in Brazil.

Brazilians must reject left-wing demaguoges like him.
Dessalines response
written by Guest, May 12, 2006
It is amazing that none of the individuals who responded to this article had anything to say about the problems of racial discrimination in Brazil. I am an African American physician, I graduated from one of the best American universities at the top of my class, I am sought after to handle the most complex of surgeries. During my last visit to Brazil, I told a couple I met that I was a surgeon, the look on their faces told me that they did not believe me, so I showed them pictures of me performing surgery. I saw immediately that they were shocked, and they invited me to meet their daughter who had attended college in Louisiana. The point of my story is that I grew up poor, I am the first member of my family to attend college, but I have succeeded because the system helped me to succeed. Brazil will be better off investing in a sound educational system, unless, one day will come when the underclass that have nothing to benefit from society will react violently, and attempt to destroy the nightmare that Brazil is to them. Brazillians must wake up to the fact that they have a very serious problem in thier midst, and take steps to ensure that the situation does not deteriorate to a point of no return. Imagine turning on your T.V. to see the whole of Ipanema, Leblon, and Copacabana in flames. That day will come unless something is done sooner rather than later.
Brazil the country of the future ???
written by Guest, May 12, 2006


This is what Brazilians said for the last 100 years.
You problem is that you did not advance much during these 100 years.
You remain a developing country, but lagging further and further ewven compared with other developping country such as India, China, Russia just to name few
But you excel in lagging !
In the meantime, during these last 100 years or even much less, many countries not richer then than Brazil became developed and quite wealthy.

You failed lamentably, then by definition you will remain a country for the future for eternity.
A country of hopes.
But hopes dont make things happens, as your hopes for the last 100 years.

Reality is different than hopes, and your reality is quite sad and shameful.

Without commitment and accountability you will continue to have hopes after hopes ONLY !
Dessalines response !
written by Guest, May 13, 2006

You said it all !

But as long as Brazil governments spend less than 1 % in education, they wont have rooms for all the whites, and even less for blacks by definition....unfortunately !
Brazilian elite has no interest in having an educated population, so they can continue to steal and rob the country for their own interests.
Just imagine what would happen to this elite, should the majority of population be educated enough to realize the sad truth.

Dont forget that the elite is not that much educated either.
They have not realized yet that by having an educated population being much more productive will make them even richer.

Afterall this is exactly what the rich countries do !!!!

But there is no shame to be rich, as long as every citizen have the same education rights, the same possibilities and that there is no poverty.
Of course, in rich nations there is poverty too, because whatever the country wealth, the lowest 20 or 30 % of the population is by simple maths poorer that the richer.
It remains that the poors in rich countries are quite rich compared to the poors in developped or poor countries.

A poor in a rich country has a relatively decent living, he has a car, can eat as much as he wishes, live in a decent appartment, has a bathroom, toilet, electricity.

That is not the case with poors in Brazil, not even able to afford enough food despite Brazil proclaiming itself the garden of the world. And they live in a hut or in favelas.
Most countries around Brazil, poorer in GDP per capita, have a much higher education system than Brazil.

That is where the shame is ! Brazil cant say they cant afford to do better, while poorer countries DO !
Re:A poor in a rich country has a relati
written by Guest, May 13, 2006
What country is that? You may be right if you specify some countries but generalizing like that is a proof that you know nothing about countries or your intentions are based on hatred against Brazil merely; very common in this site.

I know, I know, Brazil is poor, badly administrated and we are a bunch of horrible people however this subject is getting tiring and numb.

Brazil is a like a mother, even if like a bitch, but we love our country.
Lessons you may learn here
written by Guest, May 13, 2006
Some of the things you can learn in this site:

1) You cannot impose democracy upon others.

2) You cannot force people to love each other

3) Governments have privileges and people have rights.

4) True education starts at home

5) Racism and bigotry permeates everywhere in the world.

6) Some countries are financially poor and some other ones are poor of spirit.

7) Stupidity has no geographic preference.

More…
Re:A poor in a rich country has a relati
written by Guest, May 13, 2006
Hey, my stupid fellow countryman! Don't you see that our government and system are indefensible? Do you have something wrong with your head? Poors in Brazil are among the poorest people in the world. I am not the guy who wrote the first post, but I can name a few countries to you: the United States (where the poors live like upper middle class brazilians), Germany, Italy, Japan, Australia, UK, Spain, Switzerland, Finland, Singapore, Hong Kong, Taiwan. The list is actually much longer. Even in France the poors live much better than here. I am ashamed of having people like you and Mr. Buarque being from the same country as me. Get a life, sucker!
Robert USA
written by Guest, May 13, 2006
I think that if you look at the same type of photo in the USA you would see the same thing.
Blacks have always been the ones in prison and its not always because of the education system. I beleive its the way that people are born some races are good and some bad.
Re: Dessalines response !
written by Guest, May 13, 2006
Ok, congratulations to the black guy, but your suggestions and those of the replier do not really work. In Brazil, there are very few private schools and universities. Brazilian government strongly controls curricula and schools. Yet, those private schools, in the first degrees, despite having lazy students who are the children of richer people, show much better results than those public schools with students eager to learn and escape poverty. When they get to university, the situation is inverted. The riches go to public universities and the poor have to go to private universities. Guess what, good private universities are reaching and many times surpassing public universities.

Actually, Brazil does not spend little on education, as data here shows us: http://www.inep.gov.br/downloa...l_2002.xls

In face of GNP, we spend even more than Japan. Yet, there is no school for everyone and the education fails miserably here. That's the result of decades of government policies on education. As such, I put it here: What we need is more private education in Brazil and less public education. If we want to have a country where education is professionaly handled and does not serve momentary political moments, we need to privatize it. Just as Ireland did. Brazil should look at the example of the failure of superior education in Europe and basic education in some states in America and realize that they were caused by the administration of education by politicians.

P.S.: I am not sure is Mr. Buarque is deaf, blind, or if he should just go back to school and learn how to interpretate texts. He cited Ireland in a previous article, but he was unable to understand that government went out of the education system for primary schools, the biggest success there. By the way, Mr. Buarque is a big part of the problem.
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written by Guest, May 13, 2006
ooops, not interpretate, but interpret, sorry...
Re: Dessalines response
written by Guest, May 13, 2006
"so I showed them pictures of me performing surgery."

Are you f**kin' serious?! You carry pictures around of yourself performing surgery?! HAHAHAHA! What the helll is wrong with you?!
Re: Dessalines response
written by Guest, May 13, 2006
He might have shown them over the Internet moron...
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written by Guest, May 13, 2006
yes u f**kin idiot - dont just make assumptions about things you dont even know the real facts.
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written by Guest, May 13, 2006
I would sue of you showed random people pictures of you performing a surgery on me!
Aos Brasileiros palpiteiros
written by Guest, May 13, 2006
Caras , que mico!
Por que razão vocês têm que dar atenção aos babacas americanos que não olham parta o seu próprio umbigo? Eles ficam dando palpite sobre o que não conhecem e vocês ainda dão corda.
O que é que esse Dessalines tem a ver com o Brasil?. Que vá operar os pretos, os brancos, os amarelos, e todos os americanos mai da Americas. Cortem essa. O Brasil não precisa dos palpites desses caras!!!
Grande Tom Jobim
written by Guest, May 13, 2006
Ele disse: O Brasil é uma merda, mas é bom. A América é boa, mas É UMA MERDA
Sábias palavras.
Some Races are Good Some Bad?
written by Guest, May 13, 2006
That depends on OPINION buddy. To white racists like you ALL blacks are criminal minded and all whites perfect little angels.

However, if you ask the Muslims it is the WHITE race are world's thieves, murderers, rapists. I am inclined to agree with the Muslims.
Response to Robert
written by Guest, May 13, 2006
It is obvious that you are an ignorant a*****e, "some races are good and some races are bad" that is the same argument used by people like Hitler to justify the extermination of a particular race of people, but you would not know that because you probably cannot read a book. Secondly to the gentleman that says the situation in Brazil is the same as in the States, you simply do not know what you are talking about. Over 2oo years ago, Blacks had universities in America, predominantly Black schools that graduated medical Doctors, professionals and Lawyers. Addtitionally, there is a rich and powerful middle class of Blacks in America, I am not saying the system is perfect, but to compare the situation of Blacks in Brazil to Blacks in the States is like comparing apples to oranges. In Brazil, if you are born Black, you catch hell from the day you are born, you are consigned to a group of people who will never aspire to nothing except maybe soccer or music. In America, if you choose the educational path, you may attain any goal in society, Condoleeza Rice, Andrew Young and Colin Powell are a few examples, Does Brazil have Blacks like these, and when I say like these, I am not talking about Pele, I am talking about Black people that have real power, I think not. Finally, the individual that assuemed that I carried pictures of surgeries around, It is obvious you have an inferiority complex, my pictures are available in the websites of many of the leading medical universities on the east coast. I suggest you use your energy to learn English properly, and then read about the Bill of Rights.
Brazil needs to invest better in educati
written by Guest, May 13, 2006
Brazilians need to feel good about themselves, they are far above India in infastructure and just about everything elses minus capital. About 67% of the state of Gujarati, India is literate, in an article comparing Mumbai to Rio it noted that while Rio is far more violent the favelas of Rio have basic santitation, electricity, and most building are roughly 7 story high built out of block (unlike Mumbai where most poor slums have not sanitation, electricity, and people lived in cardboard or tin shacks). I won't even begin to comapre the way women in India are treated to that of women in Brazil. And still to this day in India the lower castes have just about as much access to education as Brazilians in favelas do.

Roughly 1% of the Brazilian adult population (even with a culture of well known transsexual prostitutes) has HIV/AIDS, compared to South Africa, the richest and most military powerful nation on the continent of Africa, which has roughly 20% of its adult population infected with HIV/AIDS.

Out of all nations on earth, only a handful can say they have sent a man into outerspace, Brazil is one of them. Hell you all build and sell advanced military planes to Britan one of the most powerful nation on earth and a member of the "G-8" club.

So compared to *most* nations on earth Brazil overall is not in the worst shape. (and there are many nations on earth)

The United States industrialized way before Brazil did, consequently Brazil has greater inequality in distribution of wealth (in a capitalist system that is). Brazil is no where near as urbanized as the United States (few places on earth are), hence given her history regarding slavery and agricultural based and dependent economy, it is a total illusion to suggest that blacks and dark mixed folks in Brazil are poor simply due to "racism." If racism was the only factor in any black poverty on earth, then the black government and black wealthy class of oil rich Nigeria must be "racist."

*But* Brazilians do need to be concerned about their nation and what direction it goes in. *It is not just that so many rich fly in helicopters in Sao Paulo while so many in that same city live in slums and abject poverty.* Something must be done to correct this. Something must be done to bring many more dark mixed and black Brazilians into the wealth and power structure of Brazil. *One way to begin doing that, and building a better Brazilian future, is for the Brazilian government to be more fiscally liberal and dramatically invest more in quality education for the 21st century for all Brazilians.* An educated and or skilled workforce will lure more industry to Brazil as well as inspire the creation of industry in Brazil by wealthy Brazilians who will know they can hire from a large pool of qualified canidates in Brazil.

Investment in education has worked well for Ireland, Investment in education has worked well for China, investment in education has worked well for Japan. It can work well in Brazil too.

Also... I've been to Dubai and would suggest Brazilians rather look to model the future of there urban centres more off of Dubai than off of the cities in the United States like Chicago. Or, good urban American city to model off of is San Diego (very wealthy city and well kept up). - Just my opinion.
re: above comment
written by Guest, May 13, 2006
I live in chicago and went to school in san diego. I also lived in Rio and have traveled to many other big cities. I'm not sure if possibly you haven't been here in a while, but with the exception of the climate and geography i would hold chicago up to any of those cities. The fact is because chicago is a real city (you can actually walk places and take the train) unlike most of suburbanized san diego (yes I know they have light rail, but it doesn't really cover the city) you actually come into contact with more people from different backgrounds and income levels than you do in a place like san diego where you spend much more time in your car. If Brazil urbanized more like san diego wealthy people would really have no contact with the poor. Also chicago outside of the housing projects is a very clean city.
Dessalines Response
written by Guest, May 13, 2006
Your points are well taken. I wrote my article about racism before I read the news this morning to learn that Sao Paolo gangs had attacked police stations, that is a microscopic indication of what I spoke about. If you have a large population of have nots in a society, it is only a question of time before the powder keg erupts.Secondly, I dare to say that your views on the race issue in Brazil is quite simplistic. Brazil is not a poor country, Brazil is a great country blessed with abundant natural resources that can transform it into one of the greatest countries on earth if it taps its manpower. However, in a situation where a significant number of the population is cut out of progress because of the color of their skin through the manipulation of the educational system is nothing but racism. If we condemn Jim Crow racism in America, racism in Brazil must also be condemned. Finally, I do not know about you, but I have never met an uneducated Nigerian. In fact, majority of the African Doctors I know here in the States are of Nigerian descent.
RE: RE: Dessalines Response
written by Guest, May 13, 2006
That is right Brazil is NOT a poor country and it is very rich in resources. However, it is like having a lot of money in a bank but unable to use it wisely. When we consider our resources we are freaking rich indeed. We need to find a way to share the wealth with all Brazilians and speedily before we deplete our resources.

Actually, Mr. Buarque knows how to criticize very well and then I ask: now what?

Mr. Buarque most of the time say the right thing but he, like all politicians in Brazil, knows what is wrong and what to do to fix the situation but that is all. However, they lack motivation, honesty and patriotism.

Mr. Buarque is right about “quotas”, although I want to see him doing something to change Brazil. The "quotas" for blacks is a political solution and does not address the root of the problems.
Responding back
written by Guest, May 13, 2006
Quote:

"If Brazil urbanized more like san diego wealthy people would really have no contact with the poor."


Reply:

You have a valid point.
Reply to post 13:16:45
written by Guest, May 13, 2006
Quote:

"Your points are well taken. I wrote my article about racism before I read the news this morning to learn that Sao Paolo gangs had attacked police stations, that is a microscopic indication of what I spoke about. If you have a large population of have nots in a society, it is only a question of time before the powder keg erupts.Secondly, I dare to say that your views on the race issue in Brazil is quite simplistic. Brazil is not a poor country, Brazil is a great country blessed with abundant natural resources that can transform it into one of the greatest countries on earth if it taps its manpower. However, in a situation where a significant number of the population is cut out of progress because of the color of their skin through the manipulation of the educational system is nothing but racism. If we condemn Jim Crow racism in America, racism in Brazil must also be condemned. Finally, I do not know about you, but I have never met an uneducated Nigerian. In fact, majority of the African Doctors I know here in the States are of Nigerian descent."


Reply:

You have a *very* good point [eyes get big] about the state of a city or nation if one or more of its street gangs attacks a police station or more of its. Something of that magnitude would not happen in the US - if it ever did the response from local, state, and federal police would be swift and devastating.

But I would like to point out that I never stated Brazil was a poor nation (she has a large GDP). And while *wealth* may arguably be specifically different than *money* per se, at least in so far as "wealth is created" and how that may or may not tie into *natural resources*? We are still left with the fact that an abundance of *natural reasources* does not in and of itself translate into monetary wealth in the bank accounts of a nation citizenry. We only need look at most the continent of Africa for that. So the fact that Brazil has lots of natural resources does not mean there should be no huge inequality in the distribution of wealth in that nation. As I understand it, it was the urbanization in the 20th century in the industrial age that was able to exploit natural resources in such away that allowed middle classes to develope and distribute wealth more evenly through good paying jobs. Brazil for the most part never urbanized and industrialized like the US or many Western European countries. But now is the 21st century and Brazil needs to get competitively in the information technologies and bio research and technologies.

As for Nigeria, I never claimed Nigerians were uneducated. I claimed Nigerians were *poor* with often little to no ability for economic upward mobility in their own nation. I think you might have mistaken my comment that in large Indian state of Gujarati there is only 67% of the population literate. And it's interesting to note that both Nigerian and East Indians work in the US as medical doctors, yet a huge swath of both India and Nigeria is made up of slum dwellings.
Re: The surgeon who thinks he\'s black J
written by Guest, May 13, 2006
"Finally, the individual that assuemed that I carried pictures of surgeries around, It is obvious you have an inferiority complex, my pictures are available in the websites of many of the leading medical universities on the east coast."

You have pictures of yourself performing surgeries on the internet that you show to people who don't believe you're a surgeon?! AhHAHAHAHAHA! What a loser!

(Do you get the point now? (Who has the inferiority complex Mr. I-have-to-show-people-pictures-of-myself-performing-surgery-so-that-they-believe-I'm-a-real-surgeon? (you're clearly the most insecure Afro-Americano ever)))
SICK a*****e!!
written by Guest, May 13, 2006
"That depends on OPINION buddy. To white racists like you ALL blacks are criminal minded and all whites perfect little angels.

However, if you ask the Muslims it is the WHITE race are world's thieves, murderers, rapists. I am inclined to agree with the Muslims"

I just saw this and had to say something. First whoever wrote this - you are one sick f**king a*****e!! Seriously you are the kind of human that should be exterminated. One can only imagine what a demented and sad individual you are. I really feel sorry for you more than anything because inside you must feel like one of the s**ttiest, most worthless humans on the face of the earth. The term NAZI truly isn't lost on you. I hope you seek some professional help and get some historical perspective. When you do, you will realize that people of every race and creed commit atrocities and skin color has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH IT YOU SICK f**k!! If you are Brazilian and represent even a sampling of what your countrymen think then god help you all. If you are American then god help us.
Re: The surgeon who thinks he\'s black J
written by Guest, May 14, 2006
What an idiot your are! It's normal for many professionals to have pics of them on the Internet. There are lawyers, journalists, whatever, who have pics. If the guy has pics, it's a matter of promoting his own work, what's wrong on that? And if people doubt he's a physician, they serve the purpose to show to those bastards like you who he is.

Now your pics certainly would serve the purpose to show the world the a*****e you are.
God help you
written by Guest, May 14, 2006
God help you all because you cannot see how badly doing you are.
Last night Oprah showed how bad your educational system is..
Read your newspapers carefully.
If you are not a moron you will
find the truth desguised in-between the lines.
You lose young people everyday in a stupid war but most citizens are blind to the reasons of that war and support your government.
Just think. How many will die today?
All that stems from a bad educational system. Just listen to your president.What kind of a student was he?
It´s a shame
re: god help you
written by Guest, May 14, 2006
God help you for watching Oprah. Do you take your advice from Dr. Phil also? Although I agree the educational system in the US is broken in many spots...
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written by Guest, May 14, 2006
""God help you all because you cannot see how badly doing you are.
Last night Oprah showed how bad your educational system is.. ""






You watch Oprah? Amazing how you managed to turn the computer on, moron. Now go back to that stupid attention whore ugly as f**k cunt because brain washed opinions aren't needed here.
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written by Guest, May 14, 2006
"What an idiot your are! It's normal for many professionals to have pics of them on the Internet. There are lawyers, journalists, whatever, who have pics. If the guy has pics, it's a matter of promoting his own work, what's wrong on that?"

Since when is being a surgeon a promotional profession? Riddle me that, dumbass.
Further, it's not so much that he has pics of himself performing surgery on the internet that's laughable, but the fact that he's so incesure that if people don't believe him that he's a surgeon he has to go out of his way to f**king prove it to them! That's the definition of a loser!
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written by Guest, May 14, 2006
"Since when is being a surgeon a promotional profession? Riddle me that, dumbass.
Further, it's not so much that he has pics of himself performing surgery on the internet that's laughable, but the fact that he's so incesure that if people don't believe him that he's a surgeon he has to go out of his way to f**king prove it to them! That's the definition of a loser!"

Ok, you win. You convinced me. Your point is right. You see, Mr. Cristovam Buarque is an insecure guy. So is Oprah Winfrey too, a very insecure woman who has her pics spread through out her website. Most of our columnists everywhere in the world are also very insecure people who want to tell the world how intelligent they are. And you'll be an insecure person if you start a blog or a website and put a pic of you to show your work for potential employers. Yeah, you're right, all of them insecure... Loser!
Re: God help you
written by Guest, May 14, 2006
That strenghtens my point. You have too many public schools, provided by government in the United States. The curricula are also defined by state. This makes private schools expensive and tend to draw students to public schools, which are big, unpersonal and have teachers who don't give a damn about the future of any student, for they will get their salary at the end of each month till retirement, no matter if their students were good or bad.

In Brazil that's even worse, for there are too few private schools around here. The public educational system, despite the large ammount of state money it receives, is nothing but a disaster, plenty of corruption too, just as in the US.

Both the United States and Brazil should look to irish, japanese and korean models, that ensure more freedom to private schools.

I greatly admire the United States and I think the country is an example for almost everything. However, in this specific and very important area, education, you are failing.
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written by Guest, May 14, 2006
"Ok, you win. You convinced me. Your point is right. You see, Mr. Cristovam Buarque is an insecure guy. So is Oprah Winfrey too, a very insecure woman who has her pics spread through out her website. Most of our columnists everywhere in the world are also very insecure people who want to tell the world how intelligent they are. And you'll be an insecure person if you start a blog or a website and put a pic of you to show your work for potential employers. Yeah, you're right, all of them insecure... Loser!"

Try to get your thick-skull to take this in: Oprah Winfrey is an entertainer, and columnists try to get work by getting themselves published. Baraque is a polticain who wants votes. THESE EXAMPLES THAT YOU GAVE ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT FROM BEING A SURGEON, WOULDN'T YA SAY NUMB NUTS?!
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written by Guest, May 14, 2006
And surgeons make more money by being famous also. That is why some doctors make millions a year while others make a lot less. The better known and the better rep**ation you have the larger fees you can charge. Anyway who gives a s**t how the guy showed his pics, it is such a pointless tangent anyways. What is the point of going around calling a surgeon a loser. Pointless and tiresome.
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written by Guest, May 14, 2006
"Try to get your thick-skull to take this in: Oprah Winfrey is an entertainer, and columnists try to get work by getting themselves published. Baraque is a polticain who wants votes. THESE EXAMPLES THAT YOU GAVE ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT FROM BEING A SURGEON, WOULDN'T YA SAY NUMB NUTS?!"

But I don't understand moron. Isn't what Mr. Buarque says much more important than his pics? Why is he self promoting himself so much? Explain me this, moron, I don't understand. Only his words would certainly suffice...

American Schools vs Brazilian schools
written by Guest, May 14, 2006
I live in the US and I am Brazilian. My kids went to a public High School here in my town. The school is very good and when my kids took the national test they rank very high. Many students from this public school are now attending top American universities.

Yes, there are problems with the American schools in general but in Brazil our problems are far more accentuated.

The difference here is the fact that the parents are monitoring the school closely and they participate in school's activities and counseling.

That is something that we should be fully implement in Brazil if we want the schools (private and public) to be better.
Unity
written by Guest, May 14, 2006
Why can't everyone just get along. Except for the racist that said some races are good and some are bad.
Re: American Schools vs Brazilian school
written by Guest, May 14, 2006
What's very good to you? Current brazilian cars are better than those found in Africa, but then what? In international standards the american schools are lagging. American students rank much below other countries and as to the overachiever students the situation is even worse. Do not try to compare them to brazilian ones, which are a complete disaster. Virtually any country in the world has a better education system than Brazil.
Brazilian schools vs. American schools
written by Guest, May 14, 2006
Actually American schools are in some ways less uperior than Brazilian schools. In Brazilian schools children are encouraged and reinforced for good behaviour while in many American schools children are still spanked by their instructors! Also, Brazilian public schools offer food programs so that kids can eat while they're at school. American public schools almost never offer this, and poor children are left with little food during the day. Education-wise, Brazilian schools give the children a broad view of history and the children are taught to think about places other than Brazil. In American schools the childrren seldom learn about historic figures who were from outside of the USA.
Re: Brazilian schools vs. American schoo
written by Guest, May 14, 2006
... but the results of brazilian schools are far worse than the american schools, which have low results by international standards. And the history that's taught here has plenty of marxism.
re: brazilian vs american schools
written by Guest, May 14, 2006
Hmm I'm not sure which america you are talking about but I just though I wold cut and past this from the national school lunch program...
The National School Lunch Program (NSLP) is a federally assisted meal program operating in public and nonprofit private schools and residential child care institutions. It provides nutritionally balanced, low-cost or free lunches to children each school day. The program was established under the National School Lunch Act, signed by President Harry Truman in 1946.
.... Seems to me you are incorrect there. In addition I'm not sure where you got your info about kids being spanked but anecdotely there are many stories of teachers being fired for spanking kids. I'm not sure where you got your info. from but it doesn't seem to check out. I wold agree that american schools are not good at teaching world history or much about the outside world though...
Brazilian schools vs. American schools
written by Guest, May 14, 2006
What I tried to convey is that some public schools in the USA are very good and had good standards of education.

I have no knowledge of teachers spanking kids here. I think that was allowed in the past but now the teacher would get fired and possibly some time in jail. My kids never were harshly punished and they were not easy, I can tell you.

What is very good to me? Your question is valid and I answer that my kids got a good education because now they are well prepared for a top college. You may challenge my answer and I accept that it is very hard to define clearly to others what someone would consider to be good or excellent however in my circumstances I can recognize the value of their education here.

Moreover, I was impressed how the American parents were actively involved in the curriculum. We in Brazil trust the schools too much.

I believe that it does not really matter whether the school is private or public but how the parents monitor the schools.

I was educated mostly in Brazil. I attended public and private schools combined. When I started college in Brazil my first school was private and then I moved to a federal university. I can tell you that I am glad I did because I got better education from the public one.
Education- practical solutions
written by Guest, May 14, 2006
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Re: Brazilian schools vs. American schoo
written by Guest, May 14, 2006
Ok, but asian students tend to pass the exams for top american colleges with better scores, as well as many indians and some europeans. That's also part of their culture, I agree, but it's a fact that american schools are not that good, and that's particularly true for public schools. Public universities tend not to be so good as well. I mean, we must always compare everything to international standards. Comparison within the country is not enough. Take a look at what that attitude has caused to education in Brazil;
Re: Education- practical solutions
written by Guest, May 14, 2006
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Re: Brazilian vs. American schools
written by Guest, May 14, 2006
It's true in international testing american schools generally do poorly. There is a severe disparity between good schools and bad schools. Both public and private. I went to a public school that sends more kids to harvard and stanford than most private schools. Many wealthy suburban public schools are every bit as good as thier private counterparts. I'm not sure if private or public is the answer but I do believe finding a way to get poorer students and thier parents to value education as much as the well off is part of the solution. If it is private education then fine. Whatever could possibly work.
RE: Ok, but asian students tend to pass
written by Guest, May 14, 2006
Yes, that is true about the fact that some Asian kids are far more competitive than American or Brazilian ones. However, they sacrifice a lot of their “fun years” as kids to dedicate spartanly to books and performance.

Education is important in life but I think that it is sickening what many Asians parents do to their kids. I have witnessed that. Please, not all Asians do that though, take note.

My kids are good students but I never pushed them that hard. I think that you must give them some freedom and let them be creative on their way.

The point here is how we should address the school problem in Brazil and I think that although the private sector is important there are many parents who cannot afford those expensive schools.

Another point, when I was in the junior high in Brazil (ginasio) the best student there was a young black girl, who used to work as a maid. She impressed me a lot because she was very dedicated. Another impressive thing was that the fact that she was much older than the kids around her but she was not embarrassed by that at all. She was “A” student in every subject and very competitive.

Blacks or Indians (or mix of races) in Brazil can do well in our schools especially with the encouragement and support from members of our society, media and government.

Lula, although he is not my favorite president, said something interesting (Hooray!): a kid in jail in far more expensive to the society than a kid in school. Then he added (sigh) that the previous government are the ones to be blamed. However, the way is acting now we just need to wait for the next president to add Lula to the list of those who did not do anything about the kids in Brazil.

This childish game of blaming your antecessor is the way our government keeps the status quo.
pete h
written by Guest, May 14, 2006
Kayla Rolland,
six-year old
White victim of integration.

Dedrick Owens, snarled, “I hate
you,” before
shooting Kayla.

The murder of six-year-old Kayla Rolland, a White little girl, by a Black student, Dedrick Owens, highlights the damage that forced racial integration has done to European Americans. Sheriff Robert Pickell said Owens’ father told him that Dedrick fought with the other children because “he hated them.” Kayla Rolland’s violent death is just one example of thousands of White children who have suffered from criminal violence at the hands of minorities in public schools across America. It cries out for an honest discussion of racial integration’s incalculable damage to European Americans.

Six-year old, Jake Robel, killed by black carjacker.

The news media have made concerted efforts to hide the interracial aspect of the slaying of Kayla Rolland. None of the national news agencies reported that the victim was White and the perpetrator was Black. Contrast that with the media coverage of the acquittal of four police officers in New York. Even though there was no evidence of racial animus and although the jury

Ronald Taylor,
White hater.

included four Blacks, many headlines read, “Four White Officers Acquitted in Death of Black Immigrant.” Compare that headline with the coverage of the dragging death of a White, six-year-old little boy, Jake Robel, by a Black carjacker in Kansas City. The headlines in the Robel murder did not read, “Black carjacker drags White Child to His Death.” The media carefully avoided any mention of the fact that the killer was Black and the victim was White. The double standard finds ample illustration in the news coverage of a recent murderous rampage in Wilkinsburg, PA. The Black killer said that he would only shoot White people and called his victims “White racist pigs.” Many articles one the did not even identify the race of the shooter or include his anti-White statements as he shot 5 White people. If it would have been a White killer of Blacks, the headlines would certainly have read something like, “White Racist Murders Three Blacks — Wounds Two.”

In America, one cannot talk frankly about the racial differences and their powerful impact on many aspects of American life. Integration of education is one of those areas in which one cannot speak frankly. The murder of Kayla Rolland brings home the need for us to honestly address this issue that is so critical to the well-being of European Americans.

Why Schools Were Integrated

Joseph Healy, white victim in Wilkinsburg.

In 1954, The Supreme Court and subsequent Federal Court proceedings ruled that racial segregation of education harms Black students. The rationale used by the Federal Courts was that Blacks as a group are harmed by a “separate but equal” segregation policy. Yet, one has to ask how Blacks are harmed simply by having their own schools when those schools are equally-funded. Obviously, Black students are not physically harmed by segregation. In their own schools, populated by their own people, tailored to their own needs, Blacks do not have to fear physical attacks or any sort of intimidation by Whites. There is no evidence that “separate but equal” harms Blacks in any way. It may be surprising, but evidence suggests that it can actually harm Black students. And, there is unequivocal evidence that forced racial integration profoundly harms White students.

Did Segregation Harm Blacks?

Dedrick Owens father, currently in jail, said his son “hates those kids”

The pivotal study which was said to have caused the Supreme Court to ban racial segregation was one that showed, when given a choice, Black children in segregated schools routinely chose to play with White dolls rather than Black ones. The proponents of integration concealed the fact that the same study showed that Black students in integrated schools actually chose White dolls at an even higher rate than those in all Black schools. Therefore, the study that was used to show that segregation harms Black self-esteem actually proved the opposite. The truth is that integrating Blacks with White children actually magnifies Black failure rates as compared to White students. The result is a lowering of Black self-esteem at first, and then as the racial disparity becomes more pronounced, Blacks then tend to blame White racism for their own failures, which in turn leads to resentment and hostility toward White students.

Achievement tests of Black students show them to be, on average, two to four grade levels behind Whites. By pretending that they are on the same level as Whites, and forcing them into White schools, they are not getting the special attention they need to overcome their learning deficit. Whites who are in overwhelmingly Black schools, which consistently are behind academically, are held back in their educational development. Of course, for whites, academic inferiority is just one of the harmful effects of forced integration. Millions of White students today face racial intimidation, harassment and violence in heavily integrated schools.

Does Racial Integration Harm White Students?

One can answer that question unequivocally by looking at the racial makeup of criminal violence in America. The U.S. Department of Justice annually conducts the National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS) to determine the frequency of crimes in America. The most recently released report from 1994 shows that a Black is 56 times more likely to commit a violent crime against a White than is a White to commit violence against a Black. Blacks commit over 90 percent of the interracial violent crime, although they are only 13 percent of the population. Let these facts sink in. Blacks don’t commit simply 50 percent more interracial crime or even 100 percent more interracial crime, they commit 5,600 percent more!

Dedrick Owens brother, charged
with stealing gun used by Dedrick
to murder Kayla Rolland.

In the area of gang attacks as illustrated by film footage of the Decatur, Illinois school riot, Blacks are 100 to 250 more likely to be involved in gang attacks on Whites, than the reverse. Some may argue that Blacks attack Whites because they expect them to have cash or valuables, but only 20 percent of Black attacks are robberies. Assault and rape do not usually have economic motives. It is popularly assumed that most Black violent crime is committed against other Blacks. However, the NCVS shows that this is a media myth. Over 55 percent of Black crimes of violence are committed against Whites. Not only are the interracial violent crime rates greatly disparate, but Blacks also a have tremendously higher general violent crime rate than whites, running from 300 to 800 percent higher. Because significant portions of the violent crime are committed by juveniles, it is obvious that these extremely high levels of Black criminality greatly affect crime and intimidation in public education.

Of course, the intolerable level of Black crime in the schools is just one aspect of the harm to European Americans caused by racial integration. Black disciplinary problems deteriorate the learning atmosphere for White students. Black IQ and average learning levels are far lower than comparable White students. Thus, Whites in heavily integrated schools suffer from a school environment that does not educate them to their fullest academic potential.

The moral climate in heavily integrated schools is also less desirable than most White schools. Illegal drug use is at least 400 percent higher among Blacks than Whites. Studies show that the Black venereal disease rate for AIDS, gonorrhea and syphilis are between 7 and 50 times higher than that of Whites. The Black illegitimacy rate is many times higher than Whites. Gangster rap and the crude and obscene ghetto language permeating these schools could certainly be said to harmful to White students as a group.

If is legitimate for the U.S. Supreme Court to set educational policies by how they affect Black students as a group, why is it not appropriate to look at how they affect Whites?

Whites Flee Public Education

Memorial in Michigan to the
memory of Kayla Rolland.

The forced integration of public schools has caused millions of White parents to abandon the public educational system that their own taxes disproportionately finance. In every American major city there has been both a White flight to the suburbs and a inner-city resegregation into private or religious schools. Parents, in good conscience, can’t send their children to the public schools, and those who are unable to afford private education, must endure the harmful conditions brought on by racial integration. In reality, Whites face a far more serious denial of basic rights than what Black students faced by segregation. Blacks obviously did not face physical attacks and intimidation from Whites in their own schools.

Which is a more important “right,” the “right” for a Black student to sit next to White, or the right of a White child to be free from violence and intimidation in school. Integration has destroyed a safe and quality educational environment for millions of Whites, and has resulted in denial of the far more basic right of European Americans to use the public schools their own taxes finance.

The U.S. Supreme Court abolished racial segregation by saying it was harmful to Black students as a group. Overwhelming evidence shows that racial integration has damaged public education in every major American city and has been terribly harmful to millions of European Americans. It is a failed experiment in social engineering that must be ended. Our children must have the right to use our public schools, and have those schools be safe as well as providing an excellent learning environment as well as cultural and moral climate suited to our people. We have a right not to be forced out of public schools by violence, intimidation, and a dysfunctional educational environment. The only way we can exercise those rights is by ending forced integration and allowing freedom of choice for our children. Surveys have repeatedly shown that most Whites and Blacks want to go to school with their own. For the lobotomized minority of Blacks and Whites who want integration, let them, in magnet school programs, have all the integration they can stand.

In the case of Kayla Rolland, racial integration forced her into an environment with Black students who disproportionately come from criminal backgrounds. Integration of education ultimately caused her murder. The facts of extremely higher Black crime and drugs, when combined with forced racial integration, do have tragic consequences. One of those consequences robbed a beautiful child, Kayla Rolland, of her life. Kayla is one more victim of Racial Integration, and she is one victim that we, who are dedicate
Re: Brazilian vs. American schools
written by Guest, May 14, 2006
But those public schools are an exception. You probably live in a wealthy suburb where parents are more participative because the political power of citizens is bigger to make the school to work. That happens also in elite schools in Brazil. But most of the public schools are unfriendly, unpersonal places where teachers do not really care much about their students. That's a recipe for trouble, as Columbine, among others, shows it. Of course there are bad private schools, specially in the low competition environment today in America, but it's up to parents to choose them. As to high prices, they are caused, in America, by lack of competition and freedom for private schools. Americans are rich, but not many can afford private schools, which are among the most expensive in the world. Liberation would certainly do more good than harm and bring more parents to cheaper private schools, where they can choose the methods and the type of education, be it religious, scientific, whatever, without having to be subject to state agendas and decisions like whether or not teach evolution or creationism in school. It's up to the parents to choose and up to them and their children to deal with the consequences of choosing a bad school (this is not a perfect world, children will suffer bad choices). However, parents tend to be conscious and the immense majority of them try to choose the best options for their children. Also, competition would bring in more quality to schools, just like happens in all other economic sectors, specially in America. Nonetheless, for the parents who think no school is good or who think they are too expensive, home schooling or private teaching are an option too. What's worse? Having some children with problems in their future because of bad choices of their parents or having an entire generation of children with problems in their future because of a bad choice of state, just like happened in California during the "whole language" teaching?

How does that apply to Brazil? It's a model to be followed here. We do not need nationalization. We need more private schools. In comparison to the average income of americans, the schools here are even more expensive to parents. And they tend to be of lower quality. As to our public schools, politicians here have less limits than in America, as such, they have really done a nasty job to the country's education, which will not be corrected real soon.

You should see that you are in the land of private entrepreneurship. Education is a sector where this private entrepreneurship is lacking in America and, contrary to the rest of the country, it's doing pretty bad when compared to other parts of the world. Despite the problems in education, America remains being a powerful and very rich country, with a growing economy, even contradicting those who claim (formal) education is the utmost factor deciding the power and wealth of a country. Check the whole environment around you.
Welcome to America
written by Guest, May 15, 2006
It amazes me the American people in America that respond and call themselves African American.
When you place yourself in a box, you alienate yourself from the rest of the population. It’s OK to remember your heritage or tribe, but to call your self “African American” only helps to generate a greater division in this country.
If each heritage decides to alienate themselves, then we become not a county of Americans, but a county divided. We will never learn to be just Americans.
Where did we go wrong in fixating on something so insignificant as the pigmentation of one’s skin?
We can not afford to separate ourselves as African, Mexican, French, Spanish, etc. We are supposed to be American, but this continued need to be divided will destroy this county.
My ancestors were Welsh, but I can see calling myself Welsh American, when I’ve never been there, don’t know that place or even care. I am an American and I wish we could get our people to join that single cause.
pete h
written by Guest, May 15, 2006
I dont know who you are but if you are a "european american" perhaps you would be more comfortable in europe. I am a WHITE american of course the majority of my ancestors came over from europe at some point, although I couldn't say who and when. If you are an ethic white american (irish, italian, spanish whatever and know that about yourself, good for you) But don't EVER lump the rest of us together with you and call us all european americans. I am white and I am American. Not european.
AstroNut
written by Guest, May 15, 2006
Actually, Brazil did not send a man into outer space. A Brazilian caught a ride with Russia and the US on their vehicle. Brazil does not own or operate a Space Shuttle.
should read re: pete H
written by Guest, May 15, 2006
The above is to pete H I am not pete h
european american
written by Guest, May 15, 2006
pete h
See what I mean. People take their heritage to seriously.
Be American.
LOL
written by Guest, May 15, 2006
Poor guy really wants to somebody...
You just don't get the point.
What price an education?
written by Guest, May 15, 2006
Chile has been spending avg 3.5+% of GDP on