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There is also the vote buying corruption, only 2 or 3 people have been found guilty. None in jail. All the others were absolved not by the justice, but by official secrets votes by senators and congressmen.....themselves corrupted ! Afterall why should a guilty punish another acccomplice guilty ???????

There is also the "Furnaces" corruption ! The "garbage collection" in which Paloci is involved.There is also the "Bingo" corruption.

And this is just to name a few.

In 73 % of all Brazilian municipalities, illegalities have been found !

Money is also regularly stolen visa corruption from the School lunch budgets !!!!!!

From 1999 to 2002,over 100 billions Reais was money laundered outside the country. A few money changers got long term jail terms . A report was issued. It was decided, on December 18, 2004, by the Senate....that NO investigation has to be open !
Simply because 91 politicians were named in the report !!!!!!!!!!!

In Brazil, corruption and red tape.....are in the blood and the genes of the citizens !
Nothing can be done....without paying an unoffficial and undeclared TAX.

Worse, money is stolen from the government money by those who govern the country !

The country is corrupted to the roots, at every and all levels of the society.

People in Brazil need to start believing that things can change for the better. People here have no faith at all in justice because it is way too slow, full of opportunities to look over a sentence over and over again. A huge reform, political, legal, tax and employment ruling is hoped and expected by society but due to lack of education and tenacity people can be manipulated and misled. The problem is that the ideology reigning misinform and miseducate at the same time dictating to people’s ears and hearts that corruption is in the genes of Brazil, that things WILL NEVER CHANGE and things like that. That is an alienation strategy unfortunately bought and repeated by many Brazilians.

Could you explain this due to low pay in the civil services along with the customary bribes (used to 'grease the wheels' as I am taught here in the US)? This would be my first question analysis of the situation since the officials are not held to a high degree of accountability along with the 2 previously mentioned conditions? Just curious...

Interesting information. Could you please supply some sources? I´d like to read more.

At least Brazil's socialist media would have you to believe that! The honest are called corrupt and the corrupt treated as heroes and re-elected. BRAZIL IS A LOST CAUSE! The best we can hope for is a nation too engrossed in scandal to become dangerous. The worst is a repressive Portuguese speaking Soviet Union in South America.

Saying that Brazil is lost seems to be the easiest way to explain such a mess. However, I find no other words to explain how this plague is rooted in almost every politician. What makes me cry a river is the thought of the possibility of having the same people in power for the next four years. Once more we can see that Education is a barrier to corruption and, therefore, our congressmen will avoid any long term proposals for changings in our schools and they will keep on serving food instead of jobs and, this way, the same congressmen will have their places in Brasília guaranteed every passing four years. I definitely don't want to be pessimist yet I see no way out at this moment. Let's gather all our strength and tell everybody we can to look and see what our country is truly becoming and hope they understand and, at least, vote differently.

The US has imperfections, but it's European founders formed the US government in order to attempt to treat all humans equally. We have corruption, but less than in most countries.
Brazil, on the other hand, was raped by Europeans, and the government was set up to allow the descendants of the early settlers to continue to rape both the land, and the people of Brazil. And they do.

Of course it is. You see, our congressmen are all poor and uneducated... you see, there are plenty of university graduates, master and doctors among them. That's not enough education

More infos on what subject(s) ? Please be more specific !
Most infos provided have been published on this same site.

Concerning the above post on corruption : sorry the EU has not raped Brazil. Portugal doesnt represent the EU in its entirety or on its history ! In fact thos who are raping you NOW are the Portuguese descendants leaving in Brazil. No one else. I just remind you also that we are already buying 33 % of ALL your agricultural exports, but we dont represents 33 % of the world population. And all this despite that we dont need really your agriculture products. We have been food self sufficient already for the last several decades. Contrary to Brazil, we dont export food, and let tens of millions of our population under nourrished or in hunger. But this is what you do....and you expect to export still more.....instead of feeding FIRST your own citizens. Isnt is quite shameful....WHAT YOU DO ?????? HOW CAN YOU BE THE COUNTRY WITH THE WORLD HIGHEST poverty rate when compared with your GDP per capita.Tthis has nothing to with the EU but only with your own society and internal policies...of TOTAL SOCIAL DISCRIMINATION ! All the meat for a few and the rests for the majority !
Why many countries, poorer than Brazil decades ago, are by now far richer than you ?????
What did they do right and what did you do wrong ?
Why all developing countries, with no exception, are growing faster than Brazil ?
What do they do right and what do you do wrong ?
You grew by around 1,5 % in the last decade (including the better growth of the last few years) ! Stupid question : with such a growth rate, how do you expect to fill the gap with richer countries ! Some researchers put at 100 years the estimates that you will have today wealth (per capita) of the richer countries.....provided richer countries dont develop.....in the meantime ! Not so funny and no glory.....for you !
Just read more frequently articles on this same site. Not those made by false reports from your various governments but those from International agencies who put rankings.
Just a few examples :
- Brazil has 10,5 % of students with University degree. South Korea (another developing country) over 85 % !!!!!
- Just read today (August 2) article on the Internet access rate. Brazil around 21 %, South Korea 65 % !!!!!!
- concerning the wages and perks of your congressmen and senators, they are higher than in many EU wealthy countries such as France, Spain and the UK ! Some articles on this subject in this site not later that at the end of last year/early this year.
And these wages and perks dont take in account yet the money they pocket from the various corruptions in which they are involved.
Stealing money to the government from politicians is not illegal in Brazil, since no one ever gets jail terms ! these a*****es have even created laws to protect them and their activities. They are not judged by the Justice but by the other senators/congressmen as much corrupted. Thus, one after one, they are absolved of being guilty and can continue, of course, their daily corruption practices !

Why dont you read today's article (August 4) on this same site !!!!!!!!


Another corruption scandal revealed by 24 top states people of Rondonia :
State Top Authorities in Brazil Headed Gang Who Diverted US$ 32 Million

And of course this is just the revealed stories knowing corruption rusts the whole Brazilian society at every level in every place.

Another story that will need years to be judged and fonally NONE of the corrupted getting a jail term !

cheers

God, I love it. How totally screwed up can a s**thole like Brazil be? The self-rightous, nationalistic, pathetic pride of ignorant Brazilians always demonstrated by Brazilians in Brazil or wherever else we may find them is comic. If only Lula were Chavez and Brazilians were serious about changing their centuries old laughable history, they could really make a difference. What a joke, what a mess, what a shame.

Unfortunately I have to agree, even and specially for being a brazilian born. Dealing with foreigners, I quickly realized that the best way to make myself respectable and not to be considered a moron is to bash the country all the time, specially the pathetic government. You can't imagine how I hate this f**king place.I just keep asking myself what's the point in living in a country so full of idiots and cheaters. Of course there are some glorious exceptions, even more glorious for being isolated islands in a sea of mediocrity, but they are unfortunately just that: exceptions. Most brazilians are both idiots, cheaters or a combination of both. They will cheat you at work, at school, wherever they are. They will believe politicians' promises and will hope for a better future without changing their habits even slightly a bit. Am I exaggerating? Look at the news, discover for yourselves, look at the number of people involved in each episode. Remember that's only the tip of the iceberg, the life of common brazilians have plenty of those episodes too, they are only more localized and do not become international news.

Now back to the subject, what could my stupid fellow countrymen expect? Aren't they the same idiots who say the government must solve all the problems of mankind? Do they expect that only virtuous and altruistic people will be in the government? Do they expect that current socialist hype will be good for the country? Try talking to a common brazilian, they will only be blaming others for being selfish as if that alone could sove all the problems of the world, it's pathetic. C'mon.

Like Alborgheti said, in a youtube video: Este país está uma bunda! This country is a big a*****e! The brazilian culture should be destroyed, quite simply. It's a culture of isolation, a culture of exclusion. That's evident by the cheatings of government officials, the cult for status, no matter what type (I don't know how people here can consider status to drive a new Honda Civic and earn some US$ 2,000/month), among others.

Now c'mon fellow countrymen, let me hear what you have to say to defend this place!

I don't defend the people here who are more interested in having the time of their lifes fun travels expensive cars and wonderful careers status that's all people who can do something is interested in here or spending all their free time in sex chats . No politics talk just complaim stupid complain so i wont defend this my country fellow countryman, all i do is defend the nature of this coutry the children the poor and the old. I am realistic i have to agree with you and maybe at this time Brazil has not a solution. Maybe in the future... ( always the future right?). Man fail all the time it is depressing.

I am brazilian and I've already bailed it out as the worst of Brazil is the brazilian

Not that wanting to be rich or driving an expensive car is wrong. The problem is that most brazilians want to do that by excluding others. Take government officials as an example. Take judges. All they want is to show the rest of their fellow countrymen that they are powerful, that they are important, that they are superior. But that doesn't save the excluded too, as those also want to humiliate other people when they will be at the top, and when they actually get it to the top, that's exactly what happens, take a look. Brazilians blame americans and other people for being selfish, but brazilians are indeed one of the most selfish people in the world. Brazilians accuse others of wanting to steal our natural resources, but all the top people do is to explore those natural resources and divide the profits among their peers. There are many other examples, my brazilian fellows must remember.

And brazilians really talk about politics. In fact, they talk too much about politics. Try disagreeing with one of them and criticizing the country and you'll notice that. You'll lose hours hearing that americans are selfish, that companies cheat in the congress and so on. And then, when you ask what could be done, they say those people should change their mind. How pathetic. Try it yourself, I bet nearly 3 out of every 4 brazilians have this rhetoric.

This country is deep in a huge moral crisis really. I'm radical in this point. The people who understand that should leave the country and let the idiots kill each other here.

Truth hits it right on...Brazilian's are masters of blaming all but themselves. It's either the US or EU keeping them down, creating there poverty, corrupting their officals. Only when they accept the reality that centuries of poor choices and a blind eye to corruption, crime and poverty can they change...unfortunatly, the reality is that after a history that breeds selfishness and self rightousnous, Brazil will never, never, never...ever change. You are doomed to your lot in life, always looking for others to solve your problems and change your diapers. In just a short time Venezuela will over take Brazil as the regional leader and you won't even be able to claim that notorious distinction.

"unfortunatly, the reality is that after a history that breeds selfishness and self rightousnous, Brazil will never, never, never...ever change. You are doomed to your lot in life, always looking for others to solve your problems and change your diapers."

Here it comes God saying Brazil will never ever change. I cannot say this friend I won't live that long. And oh yeah we are always looking for someone to change our diaspers, never an impeachment was carried out by the society here, right? With all the crises happening AROUND THE WORLD and bearing in mind the humaniy history I would say then that men will never change? I find myself very pessimist at a handful of times but when I hear new, or not so new, dicussions over development, men's growth a glimpse of light shine again. I heard today on a leadership discussion on a program radio, CBN, among professionals and researchers that men's outlook developed since the 50s is a dual, binary one devoted to see life as black or white, eigth or eigthy, good and evil. Scholars claim that that came from the divion between the literary category and the numerical one, i.g., the humanities brach of knowledge and the sciences, the numerical one. That the vision of men is simplistic, and not holistic. That adding the different, which is not so different after all, is another way of seeing things, a complex developed way of seeing things. All men should learn some economics and humanities. Also someone quoted that racionality without emotion is not being rational, it is rather just rationalism.

As yet another scandle unfolds, nobody says very much about the whereabouts of millions of dollars which presumably must be in bank accounts somewhere.Hit them where it hurts and freeze their accounts is surely number one priority. Second, make sure these `civilians´ are PERMANENTLY blacklisted and put on Legal probation for a very long time.

At this time, this money is probably safe in the Cayman Islands or some place like that. It's likely that it'll never be in Brazil anymore.

I cited the socialist hype, but I didn't cite the reasons. Brazilians are socialists in a very selfish way. They want the goodies for themselves and are envious of the ones who are better than them. The problem is that this feeling is legitimate towards most of brazilian riches, as those got their fortunes by having good political friends, but driving that feeling towards americans or europeans, as if they have got their fortunes in this way, is just nonsense. In short, brazilian socialists outside the government think they will have rules that'll be bad for others and good for them. Just silly.

This feeling happens to the riches, who think they will get monopoly and good contracts with the government; to the middle class, that thinks that riches money will be transferred to poor people, that everyone will have a job without having to work so much; and to the poor, who think they will be better off with socialism, with the capacity to consume what riches consume while working less. That may seem too reducionist, but try talking to brazilian commies (who are now most of the population) in the three classes to see what you'll find out.

That is good advice, Mr./Mrs. I desire a civil movement, a protest civil movement. If you hear something about it going on in Brazil, it is because it gave affect. Internet can reach power you think?

effect

Maybe that is what mediocre socialism in America think? Socialism existed in Europe and there you people don't think socialism is a hazardous, or you do? A preconceived notion, ignorance I ask what is it? By the way there is high quality socialism in America citing Richard Sennett. Make ugly faces with your noses!!! Don't think average american can understand such approach.

hazard before you say someting

Socialism is a hazard everywhere. Take a look at Albania, at Poland in the early 1990s, East Germany. All of them tremendously poor. The case of Germany is even more emblematic: West Berlin was rich while East Berlin was poor and they were the same people in the same city! There is no good socialism. I just put it here that most brazilians are stupid enough to think they will have rules in favor of them in a socialist regime (that's not so different of other people who believed socialism btw). Both socialism and capitalism, in their extremes, tend to apply the same rules for every individual in the society (with exceptions to those who actually work in the state administration). The difference are the results: while socialist countries tend to have poverty and millions of deaths, capitalist countries tend to have a lot of wealth and less violent environments.

About the civil protest movement, I wouldn't be so optimistic. Brazilians don't go to the streets for that. As of now, for brazilians who are conscious of what's going on, I see only two ways out of this mess: Cumbica and Galeão International Airports.

"About the civil protest movement, I wouldn't be so optimistic. Brazilians don't go to the streets for that. As of now, for brazilians who are conscious of what's going on, I see only two ways out of this mess: Cumbica and Galeão International Airports"

Hahaha very funny, very much. You sound like an upper class Brazilian or a middle class wannabe Brazilian. No no they don't go to the streets for that.... Collor remember or... have you heard of him have you? What the English go to the streets for? Hunting fox? C'mon give me a break. I didn't mean going to the streets but the internet, didn' t read? Maybe the internet is already agitating the superficies of power? hehe

About the socialism I think you forgot the Work parties from Great Britain and France. Comunism Karl Marx style is old fashioned you know?that It didin't work anywhere.

Yes, Marx is oldfashioned. But did you know that peasants are receiving Marx indoctrinatin at MST camps? Did you know that there are plenty of marxist professors at the federal universities? Which country are you from?

Don't feel offended by me, I'm as brazilian as you are. About the Collor thing, they were just marches promoted by PT, CUT, Une and other leftist organizations, the ones who actually have large masses as affiliates. I wouldn't expect brazilians would go to the streets, or to the Internet, as you are saying, without some command from them. As a matter of fact, brazilians are dominated by leftists. Workers and students unions are all of them controled by leftist organizations, connect to parties like PT, PC do B, PSTU and so on. Expecting brazilians to change their mind on their own, to refute their unions and students organizations and going to the streets or the Internet, is expecting too much as of now.

And please, don't compare the Workers' Parties of UK and France to the ones in Brazil. They are a lot different and have opted for a Third Way between Socialism and Capitalism, refuting both Marx and von Mises, for instance. They are not the same as PSTU, PSoL, PT do B, PC do B and other brazilian leftist parties, which didn't abandon the marxist and proletariat revolution ideas. If you don't believe me, turn on the TV on one of those parties' mandated time for propaganda in the TVs (in Brazil, near the elections, every TV network must concede half an hour for political propaganda) when one of those parties are exhibiting their stuff, or read through sites like vermelho.org.br.

So what people learn Marx theory, he, Marx, explained well capitalism and Europeans don't find problems hearing about that, these americans...

Of course this Truth thing is a big Bulls**t thing sure you are as brazilian as I am, was born and raised all your life here right?

"About the Collor thing, they were just marches promoted by PT, CUT, Une and other leftist organizations, the ones who actually have large masses as affiliates"

You don't know what you are talking about, go read ok

So what people learn Marx theory, he, Marx, explained well capitalism and Europeans don't find problems hearing about that, these americans...
You said Marx was dead and old fashioned and now you say even europeans don't have problems about hearing it... decide it.

Of course this Truth thing is a big Bulls**t thing sure you are as brazilian as I am, was born and raised all your life here right?
Right.

About the Collor thing, they were just marches promoted by PT, CUT, Une and other leftist organizations, the ones who actually have large masses as affiliates"

You don't know what you are talking about, go read ok

Let's search the primary sources... there is even a link on PSTU site, an organization that was borning in that same time::

http://www.pstu.org.br/partido_materia.asp?id=2028&ida=0

And another here, from CUT Rio:

http://www.cutrj.org.br/Retros.htm

As you see, those masses were the ones organized by unions, who gathered unhappy people to overthrow the president. Those same organizers don't move the masses against Lula today, even with all those corruption scandals, and even if they did so, Lula would be protested because he betrayed leftist ideas, not because they want to lean to capitalism or because Lula is corrupt, which is evident in PSTU website. As long as Lula keeps those guys well fed and powerful, he won't have problems with them. Don't expect other brazilians will organize themselves in large marches like that of Collor.

You better start reading son. Remember, there is always someone organizing each and every social movement. You better get to know their real motivations.

Anyway, thanks for confusing me with an american. My english is not that good really, is it?