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Heloísa: The Leftist Maverick Senator Vying to Be Brazil's First Woman President PDF Print E-mail
Written by Dan Torres   
Wednesday, 23 August 2006 12:56

Brazilian senator Heloísa Helena running for president of BrazilHeloísa Helena, a leftist senator from the impoverished northeast state of Alagoas, Brazil, has consolidated a third place position in the Brazilian presidential polls. In a recent poll, her 12% means she trails the PSDB (Party of the Brazilian Social Democracy) candidate Geraldo Alckmin, the ex-governor of São Paulo, by only 9%!

Her surge in popularity is partially attributed to several personal factors. Much of the electorate perceives women to be more honest than men. Also, Heloísa Helena has an impeccable reputation as a senator who thoroughly investigates corruption that penetrated the halls of Congress and parts of the PT administration.

A few weeks ago, former 2002 presidential candidate and ex-governor of Rio de Janeiro, Anthony Garotinho, threw his political weight behind Helena's candidacy.

Her leftist political program seems to be resonating with many educated Brazilians. She is promising to cut the domestic interest rates in half, by appointing to the central bank economists who favor domestic production over financial interests. Such a sizable cut to interest rates which are now at a stratospheric 14.75% will generate nearly US$ 38 billion (80 billion reais) in savings to fund her far-reaching social programs while inducing robust economic growth.

Although inflation is unlikely to immediately reappear, will interest rates remain low once the economy reaccelerates and moderate inflation quickens? She is also promising to distribute land to 1 million rural peasants per year. (1) Clearly, her campaign promises have not made her popular among the entrenched elite and conservatives.

Yet, Heloísa's campaign message to alter the economy resonates with millions of educated Brazilians because of the pitiful stagnation of the Brazilian economy since the 1980s. This is why her campaign can boast 12% in most polls and might pickup more votes in the near future. She leaped by 8 percentage points among the most educated voters stealing votes directly from Geraldo Alckmin. (2)

Lula's nearly insurmountable lead in the polls reflects not faster economic growth than previous administrations but a consistent social policy that has enabled substantial rises in income of the poorest segment of the population, which consists of a significant part of the voting population.

The present economic stagnation is a phenomenon that began in the 1980s. Brazil's GDP per capita from 1945 to 1980 grew on average by 4.4%. (3) Yet the economy since has seen a stark reversal. Between 1980 and 2000 the GDP per capita has remained nearly stationary averaging just 0.4%. (4)

The GDP per capita (the growth in GDP divided by population growth), the most basic measurement of economic well-being, of the previous Cardoso and the current Lula administration is a sad reminder of how stagnant the once dynamic Brazilian economy has become.

According to the IBGE data, during the Cardoso administration (1995-2002), the average GDP per capita expanded by 0.975%. Overall economic growth (GDP) expanded by average of just 2.33% throughout his 8 years in office. (5) The Brazilian electorate sent Cardoso's PSDB party a resounding message in 2002 by overwhelming defeating their presidential candidate at the hands of the current president Lula.

During that election, Lula symbolized the candidacy of economic and social change that the Brazilian electorate clamored towards. Yet, profound changes to economic policy have not materialized. Lula's economic advisors implemented a similar economic policy meant to assure, "economic stability", and low inflation at all cost.

Under Lula's economic stewardship the economy is better insulated from economic instability yet it continues its lackluster performance. The average GDP per capita during his 3 years tenure as president is equivalent to a meek 1.3%. Overall, economic growth limps at average of 1.9%. (6) As 2006 ends, the economy might expand 3.5% pushing up both averages marginally.

In 2005, Brazil's economy, in Latin America, only grew faster than Haiti's, a country devastated by internal stifle. Brazil's economy stagnates while the rest of the world is advancing at a brisk pace. In 2005, average per capita growth worldwide was at 2.6% and average economic growth was significantly higher. (7)

Heloísa Helena has recently turned down her democratic "socialist" message as she attempts to entice a slightly more moderate audience. She says she is not stupid to try to construct socialism today in Brazil. She is hoping to build greater democracy before thinking about any sort of socialism. (8)

Her economic program does call for closing the economy through higher tariffs since it seems she is also promising to expand export credit through BNDES (National Bank of Economic and Social Development) to domestic producers. (9) Yet, her rise in the polls does not explain how Lula, the PT candidate, garners so much support for his re-election bid.

There is no doubt Lula, the political figure, wields a tremendous political force greater than his own party, the PT (Workers Party). His poor northeast roots provide him clout among the millions of poorer Brazilians, who were largely excluded from the supposed economic "miracle" that lasted from 1968 to 1974, especially in the Northeast.

During this period, GDP per capita grew at a remarkable 8.6%, equivalent to China's economic growth (1978-1998). Except, after the expansion fizzled the GDP per capita has stagnated for the past 26 years. (10) It is evident that the economic policy of the past neo-liberal reform minded administrations have failed to prescribe the right medicine to position the Brazil's economy on the path towards faster and sustainable growth.

While stagnation continues, it seems that some government policies are at least formulating a more equitable country in contrast to many other countries around the world. This provides Lula with the political strength to potentially get re-elected in the first-round of voting.

The poorest segments of Brazil's economy have benefited generously from government programs implemented by Cardoso and expanded by Lula. According to the economist, Marcelo Neri, the poorest 10% have witnessed their income rise by 23.3% between 2001 and 2004 while the poorest 20% have seen a 15% rise over a similar period.

According to the economist Ricardo Paes de Barros, even if Brazil's economy grew zero percent in 2004 (unlike the solid growth rate of 4.9%) the income per capita of the poor would have still grown by 9%. (11)

This improvement is due mostly to consecutive minimum wage increases above inflation (from 240 reais a month in 2002 to 350 reais today - roughly US$ 110 to US$ 160), an expansion of pension coverage to poorer rural workers and the growth of Bolsa Família, a monthly stipend program that benefits 11 million poor families (30 million people).

Bolsa Família costs only 0.5% of the GDP or about 8.5 billion reais (US$ 4 billion),  a fraction of the federal budget. All these specific social programs incur an expense equal to about 80 billion reais (US$ 38 billion), about half of what the public sector paid in interest payments in 2005. (12)

In 2003, 27.26% of the population was considered below of the misery line; by 2004 it fell to 25.08%. Misery fell by 8% in 2004. Between 2001 and 2004, the poorest 50% had their total income equal to 13.8 (today it is closer to 15% the lowest inequality since 1964) while the richest 10% experienced a sharp 5.5% decline. (13) It is no wonder the elites dislike Lula.

During Lula's term in office, Brazil is making albeit slow progress in ending the perverse inequality that has persisted throughout its history. Besides some improvements to social indicators the Brazilian economy is more resistant to any future global economic turbulence.

Lula's economic policies have won him praise from the international financial community. His politics is the poster boy for "respectable" "moderate" left-wing regimes in Latin America mostly because of the positive achievements made over 3 years. Brazil is set to record another resounding trade surplus.

Inflation has dropped precipitously since 2003 to a figure below the inflation target for this year. Brazil's risk assessment as gauged by Morgan Stanley is at a record low. Brazil's government has more in foreign currency than external debt. Brazil's government only owes roughly US$ 70 billion in external debt a record low not seen in several decades.

The central bank will soon amass a record-setting foreign currency reserve outmatching the record accumulated during the Real Plan. The massive influx of dollars due to agricultural exports allowed Brazil to pay-off billions to the IMF, Paris Club and other external creditors.

With Brazil's record trade surplus, the country is quickly becoming a creditor not debtor nation as it achieves consecutive current account surpluses. Basic interest rates are at 14.75%, still the highest in the world but at record low. Yet, so far it seems that the vice-leader of PT in the Congress, Walter Pinheiro is among a few politicians who have taken notice of this paradox. (14)

These improvements were almost exclusively created during Lula's administration since previous administrations enacted distorting economic plans. Previous mistakes do not excuse errors made today. These positive government accounts should have theoretically empowered the domestic economy, yet as proven by the disappointing economic growth the domestic economy is still extremely sensitive to domestic (and American) interest rates and other barriers such as: erroneous taxation, crushing corruption, suffocating bureaucracy and an expanding informal sector. None of issues can be easily resolved especially as the government at all levels tackles the consequences of vast inequalities and persistent poverty.

Without focusing on growing the domestic economy the PT will not be rated much higher than the previous Cardoso administration. The interest rate policy is too similar to the previous administrations (with almost identical economic results) yet the current government had no intentions of changing such a policy since it reaped the benefits of misleading their supporters to the contrary. By maintaining such an excessive conservative interest rate policy, the currency has radically appreciated helping curb productive domestic investment.

Paulo Bernardo, the current planning minister admits that the current high interest rates inhibit economic growth, although he rightfully claims a similar recipe was used by the previous PSDB administration. (15) Although, high interest rates may assist in pushing down inflation it is destroying jobs especially among domestic producers and exporters. The policy has been so conservative that even the Economist and Wall Street Journal have questioned its resolve.

Let's hope this election whoever is elected that they heed the demands of the Brazilian populace to make adjustments to the economy to further boost economic growth in a robust manner while expanding the social programs that are enabling Brazil to become a more just and equal country.

(1) José Maschio, "Heloísa Helena diz que vai assentar 1 milhão de famílias por ano," Agência Folha, August 20, 2005, http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/folha/brasil/ult96u81661.shtml.

(2) Karen Camacho, "Heloísa Helena diz que está no encalço de Alckmin", Folha Online, July 24, 2005, http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/folha/brasil/ult96u80661.shtml

(3) Alexandre Cunha and Antonio Fiorencio, "O BRASIL ESTÁ PRONTO PARA VOLTAR A CRESCER 4% AO ANO?". Valor Economica, June 5, 2002, http://professores.ibmecrj.br/abcunha/opinioes/artigos/artigo14.htm.

(4) Idem

(5) "Variação do PIB em 2003 foi de -0,2%", IBGE, 27 de fevereiro de 2004, http://www.ibge.gov.br/home/presidencia/noticias/noticia_visualiza.php?id_noticia=109&id_pagina=1

(6) Janaina Lage, "Brasil cresce só 2,3% em 2005 e supera apenas o Haiti na América Latina," Folha Online, Feb. 24, 2006, http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/folha/dinheiro/ult91u105546.shtml

(7) "Brasil cresceu menos que a média mundial em 10 anos, diz estudo", Folha Online, Mar.22, 2006, http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/folha/dinheiro/ult91u106201.shtml

(8) José Maschio, "Heloísa Helena diz que vai assentar 1 milhão de famílias por ano," Agência Folha, August 20, 2005, http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/folha/brasil/ult96u81661.shtml.

(9) Karen Camacho, "Heloísa vai ao ABC e defende redução do juro e empréstimo para montadoras," Folha Online, July 24, 2006. http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/folha/brasil/ult96u80651.shtml

(10) Mirta NS Bugarin and Roberto Ellery Jr. et. al., "From Miracle to a Disaster: The Brazilian Economy in 3 Decades." January 21, 2005. http://degitx.cide.edu/Documentos/D94.pdf.

(11) Fernando Canzian, "Gastos com programas sociais ameaçam contas do governo", Folha de S. Paulo, http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/folha/dinheiro/ult91u108467.shtml

(12) Idem

(13) Janaina Lage, "Miséria atinge menor patamar desde 1992, diz pesquisa FGV," Folha Online, November 11, 2005. http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/folha/dinheiro/ult91u102805.shtml.

(14) Rose Ane Silveira, "PSOL diz que PIB deve crescer com abertura de cofre em ano eleitoral," Folha Online, Feb. 24, 2006.

(15) Claudia Lamengo and Luiza Dame, "Paulo Bernardo desafia Alckmin a explicar promessas de campanha", O Globo Online, Aug. 22, 2006, http://oglobo.globo.com/pais/eleicoes2006/mat/2006/08/22/285371546.asp

Daniel Torres is a political science and economics major at the University of Massachusetts. Comments welcome at This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it .

Comments (20)Add Comment
Heloisa Helena and P-SOL
written by Jeff Booth, August 23, 2006
It's puzzling to see an entire article about Heloise Helena and not one mention of her political party: the Party of Socialism and Liberty. Perhaps the author is displaying his in-grown American bias against any serious analysis of socialist movements and candidates. He may well put the word socialist in ironic quotation marks in his little article, tailored for what he thinks Americans can bear, but make no mistake that on the ground, in Brazil, the word socialist and the need for a socialist society iis anything but an ironic joke; it is the only way out of the endemic poverty, violence and inequality of capitalism.
Excellent article....but with basic errors !
written by ch.c., August 23, 2006
Too long to list them all, but how can Brazil be "a more equitable country in contrast to many other countries"...... knowing that Brazil has the world highest poverty rate when compared to their GDP per capita ?????

Something doesnt match...as usual !
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written by Truth, August 23, 2006
in Brazil, the word socialist and the need for a socialist society iis anything but an ironic joke; it is the only way out of the endemic poverty, violence and inequality of capitalism.

Oh really? Then why all socialist countries are poor? What about North Korea, Cuba, East Germany, the former Eastern Europe, Africa, China...? What did socialist countries do to escape poverty and bring in progress?
Inequality of capitalism ?????????
written by ch.c., August 23, 2006
Funny statement.Because how can you explain that in every capitalist country on this planet....there is less poverty, better education, better social inclusion than in pure socialists countries !

Simple demonstration that capitalist countries take better care of their population than socialists countries do !

Then socialists provide only promises but unable and unwilling to deliver them, while capitalists act more than promises since they deliver what they promised.
Socialists are dreamers.....only !

In my view the better is being both. This created the world wealthiest countries with the world better social inclusions, protection and education.

One must not forget that making a profit is always at the expense of someone else, in both the socialism and capitalism ideology. Then either the 2 are right or the 2 are wrong.
But every business shall return a profit, otherwise it is not a long term viable business.....except in communism ideology !

Combining and mixing correctly the 2 ideologies deliver the best results, although not a perfect result, since human nature will never ever be perfect. One country will always be richer than the other. It remains that the less rich shall not be poor. And if it is poor it is because the country leaders (governments and politicians) did not do things correctly.
A country will never become wealthy by investing only for the short term as Brazil did and still does today.
Sustainable long term growth can only be done with truly heavy investments in education, education and education. If combined with long term investments AND maintenance of infrastructure.......there is a chance for a better tomorrow.

But even today, Lula government spends only 0,4 % of the government budget in infrastructure investments AND maintenance. Then how can anyone expects a better tomorrow ??????? And the nature of the Brazilian thinkings is an investment must produce a profit within 2 to 4 years otherwise it is not a good investment. Wrong......simple !

Just look at Ireland, a devastated country 20 years ago and by bow they have the highest income per capita in all the EU.
Just look at South Korea, a country poorer than Brazil only 2 or 3 decades ago and by now far richer. Why ? Well.....their number of University degree is 86 %.......Brazil 10,6 %. What they spend in education is exactly what Brazil spends in government pensioneers. And what you spend in education is exactly what South Korea spends in government pensioneers. I can provide this Brazilian source...on request.
In fact you do exactly the opposite of what successful countries do.

You reduce interest rates, while the developed and developing countrie increase them.
Again....just the opposite !

Brazil and many S.A. countries always defend themselves for what is not going right by saying it is due to the "other" countries or "external" , while taking the benefits for themselves when things are a little better.

Case in mind : Lula !
This guy did nothing positive for the country. He was just lucky to have been elected at the exact time when there was a world recovery created by the USA.
It happens that all the developing countries grew far more than Brazil. And going back to the personal earlier misfortune is a pure hiding of the reality. Because ALL other developing nations were not in better shape than Brazil in 2003 !!!! Many were even in far worse economic and financial conditions than you were.
Lula grew the country only because of external demand and never because of internal demand.....due to his policies and decisions. At the same time the other developing countries took decisions that benefited ALSO their internal demand, making them grow often twice the brazilian growth rate.
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written by cacique, August 24, 2006
"Funny statement.Because how can you explain that in every capitalist country on this planet....there is less poverty, better education, better social inclusion than in pure socialists countries !"

Wow, you are ignorant. You must live in a capitalist country.
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written by cacique, August 24, 2006
"This guy did nothing positive for the country."

Wow, you are ignorant. Lucky for you Lula will be reelected and you may have a chance (or your children will have a chance) to become educated.
Some thoughts...
written by Truth, August 24, 2006
Ireland made a revolution in their education system. And that passed throught the privatization of the entire basic school system, having the state only the role of paying school for the poor.

It's clear that 3rd way economies do way better than those pure socialist economies. And it's also clear that the same 3rd way economies do way better than semi-socialist, highly planned and specially too much corrupted like that of Brazil. Compare Switzerland or Sweden to any socialist countries, any islamic countries or any latin american countries and you will see that. Capitalist economies may be harsh and unforgiving, so some kind of help to those at the bottom is not entirely wrong. Howevr, one must be careful as that cannot consume too many resources nor taxes and specially, must not support illegal imigrants, in the way it happens in Europe with muslims.

I'm afraid however, that wealth generation ends up being less than it could be in 3rd way countries. You see, Sweden has virtually zero corruption, as well as Austria and Switzerland. That has a great impact on wealth, you can be sure of it. Their politicians are genuinely commited to the future of their countries and try to do their best. They care for the poor and the competitivity of their companies as well. However, as is said here, the hell has plenty of good intentions. Let's take the case of Sweden. While Sweden did not enter the 2nd World War, its economy remained strong, with little destruction. But it is noticeable that their growth rate has been below that of other countries in other corners of the globe as well... comparing Sweden to other european countries does not give us much insight, but let's compare them against the United States: the average size of the house of a poor american (some 35 million americans are considered to be poor) is bigger than the average size of swedish citizens as a whole! Not only that, consumption standards are also bigger. While the american economy is growing, the swedish economy is stuck. Swedish people generate a lot of wealth, but they end up spending much more on social security, fuel, average consumer goods and specially food and housing, due to the many regulations. If swedish abandoned their incentives for agriculture, and let the market provide schooling and health care, as well as let unemployed people look for credit on their own to have money for the hard times, the same way it happens in the US, they would sure be better off.

The incentives for agriculture are the most problematic thing in Europe. What's the point in keeping farmers working in backwards techniques when there are so many machines around to make the job in the fields? Deregulating and lifting barriers on the sector would sure make they increase their productivity and specialize in crops that benefit the most from their soil and climate. Remember, the inverse happes in Brazil, the regulations and barriers are on industry, not agriculture. And Brazil has a competitive agriculture while having a fragile industrial sector.

Anyway, if by some miracle someone in Brazil decides to change things to the way they are in Sweden, I have no problem with that. That's not the most efficient way, but that's efficient compared to the actual mess.

Some data on american poverty:
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Welfare/bg1713.cfm
Yes, but...
written by Jaded, August 24, 2006
Truth, I enjoy your contributions to this site. They are, for the most part, informative. However, I have a small problem with your above suggestion. Adopting and securing a political/economical model for a country is not like choosing socks in the morning before you go to work. Brazil’s problems, regardless of whatever political winds they may wish to sway, are cultural. Now, culture is not something that is static, easily definable or linear across nations as vast as Brazil. Still, there are underpinnings of commonality that can be connected. The biggest here in Brazil for me, is immaturity.

Some refer to Brazilians as lazy, others as ill-informed and undereducated, some see them as corrupt. Surely you cannot apply all these traits to everyone across the board. I’ve met some very talented Brasilians, and some extremely bright and well educated ones. I’ve also come across my fare share of the corrupt as well as the ridiculously retarded. You find them all here – like everywhere else (although, I think that here the latter are more pronounced). However the one commonality I’ve been able to see throughout all states, all regions and from the big cities to the small townships is IMMATURITY.

This in my humble opinion is what attracts gringos at first glance to the country. That freestyle way of life or better yet, a quasi spring break mentality expanded over the year. However, it is also what repulses gringos whom have had to endure working in and surviving Brazil for any length of time. It is also what ostensibly always sets the country back from any form of progress.

No matter what changes are made in politics, or economics they will always be treated with a frat house mentality. Whoever is in charge will always feel a sense of entitlement, and will dip their talons into the kitty. Regardless of whoever is catapulted to power, O povo will always expect everything handed to them on a silver platter. When they don’t get what they want, as is per usual, they pout like grade school children. What’s not given to them, they have, in their mind’s eye, earned to the right to TAKE. This will not change over night. The “Jeito Brasiliero”, which should replace “Ordem e Progresso” on the brasilian flag will always impede whatever foreseeable advances this country could make. And it all stems from immaturity.

We talk politics and we talk economics, but as one article on this very site stated years ago, it will take a MENTAL revolution to change Brazil.
spending much more on social security, fuel, etc......
written by ch.c., August 24, 2006
But Brazil spends a lot more on social security and is still quite poorer. Your arguments are thus not valid.
Concerning consumption....yesss I agree with you. but that is excatly what differientates wealth and poverty. Dont you believe that this exactly what Brazil is expecting to do...but without success....except for the minority elite ? Come on ! Every one wishes to have a car, a house, could afford to go on vacations, buy clothes, provide good education to their children, driving in good roads, not having too much bureaucracy.

Sorry but there you are full of contradictions.
And comparing the poor Americans and the poor Brazilians dont make sense either. Every poor American has a car, while not all the Brazilian middle class has a car.
Another simple demonstration would be to ask the poor brazilians if they would prefer to have their actual standared of living of the standard of living of poor Americans. And then asked the same question to a "poor" American ! smile.......
continued.....
written by ch.c., August 24, 2006
Even in Switzerland or Sweden there are poors. Simply because you take the 10/20/30 % of the lowest income and they are poor....by simple rankings !

By the way......I am from Switzerland. Smile....
A country with small land, no oil, no copper, no iron ore, small farms, no car manufacturers, no chip manufacturing plant, no gold in the grounds, Simply stated not a country blessed by natural wealth.
But we are one the wealthiest countries, with low unemployment, good social protection, low inflation, strong currency for decades.
Almost the same could be said for Sweden !

And how did we develop our wealth ? Through accountability from our government, education, education and education. Curiously enough we export more than Brazil despite having a population of only 7 million.
Another stat that I saw just yesterday is that our public debts is US$ 190 billions or the equivalent of US$ 27000.- per capita ! Yessssss ! And despite such huge debts we have no problems and still have a strong currency. Funny isnt it ? Smile
And I dont see why debts are a problem. Just like a well managed corporation, borrowing money is good, provided the investments generates more profits than the interest rate that must be paid on the borrowed money. This create wealth......not poverty.

My all point is that wealth can be created even when one is not blessed by abundant natural resources, land or warm climate.
In my view, Brazil should be a developed country, but due to their corruptions, total mismanagement for 2 centuries, and where it was and still is the mentalkity of everything for a few and the rest for the othjer 90 %, this country wil never ever change and will remain a developing country for eternity. What is happening in many ways in Brazil would simply not be accepted by the electors. but in Brazil they re-elect those who have stolen their money and those who betrayed them. Strange culture...... !
Strange culture for a country that exports over US$ 45 billions in agriculture but still have hunger but mostly an under nourrished population in the tens of millions, instead of feeding first their own society and export the surplus ONLY !!!!!!!
Strange culture to ask for more exports......while they already have a huge trade surplus.
Strange culture for such a request knowing that Brazil has far more Industrial and Financial Services barriers that they are not willing to reduce as much as they request us to reduce our subsidizes.
A country that wants to develop their computer education, while taxing 100 % their imports for such products. Quite full of contradictions for a not so wealthy country.
Computers can thus not be bought by the majority of the population....by simple maths !
A country that spends only 0,4% of the budget for investments will not become developed...by simple maths, and contrary to what Lula is saying.
This guy is proud of having delivered the smallest economic growth of ALL developing countries ! How could he be re-elected ? Funny isnt it ?

And with all the corruptions scandals by their politicians, you had only 5000 citizens manifesting in Brasilia last year during the heat of the Mensalao scandal. Yes 5000 out of a population of 190 millions. A true joke showing they not only dont really care but also show to the corrupted that they have no reason to stop their corruption practices....by simple definition.
A country where 50 % of youths deaths aged 15-24 is due from violent crimes.
A country where crime rate almost tripled in 25 years.
And SP alone with 600 kidnapings per year.

Whoaaaa...quite choking !!!!
Re: spending much more on social security, fuel, etc...... and Re: Yes, but...
written by Truth, August 24, 2006
I was not comparing poor brazilians to poor americans. I was comparing average swedish to poor americans. I saw some stats somewhere pointing that about half of swedish homes would be considered low income in the US. If I were to compare brazilians, I would need to compare upper middle class ones to poor swedish or miserable americans. I just made a comparison between european and brazilian agriculture to show you how much harm does the food security policy in Europe. There is not much difference between Brazil and african countries. But at the contrary of the latter, Brazil has a successful agriculture (which is being destroyed by now).

Of course, that's both a response to Jaded and to you. Dealing with swedish, americans or swiss is much easier than dealing with brazilians. You have a culture of progress in your countries. People are honest and hardworking by nature. As such, that's only a matter of choosing the best economical model. I don't know much about swiss model, but it looks quite good for me. Lot of economical freedom, not so high taxes, accountable government. But Sweden pushed it too far. They are spending too much in social security, and that's what makes their country lag behind the freer economies. The same applies, today, to France and Germany.

Now, to Jaded. I agree with you Jaded. Just sometimes I dream of being a national of a decent country. As a matter of fact, as you have pointed out, lazy people, imature, retarded, exist everywhere. The difference is in their distribution. Unfortunately, imature and idiot brazilians look to be far more than half of the population. And curiously, the more study one has in humanities in Brazil, the dumber the person is (the same happens to some degree in the US). That's not something that changes overnight. It requires a slow and calm rebuild from the roots. That must be built in a gramscian way, but instead of building up socialism, it's necessary to build up a culture of individual rights and responsibilities, in my view. If that does not happen, our country will be always at risk of tiranny, absolute poverty or a combination of both. A system like the ones that exist in the US or Europe would eventually work, and the success of agriculture in Brazil until the 1990s is an example of that. But the will of the people will be to overthrow it all the time.
Linguistics
written by Cá, August 25, 2006
Whorf, a linguistic theorist (humanities knowledge ) said : "man lives surrounded by the world exactly like the language he possess represents it".
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written by cacique, August 25, 2006
Truth = ignorant lie
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written by Truth, August 25, 2006
When PT anounced that they would hire people to reply to everything in every forum or internet blog, I expected better. Look at this cacique guy. He doesn't have even the basic skills of arguing. Instead of making interesting comments and pointing flaws on my comments, as others here have done, he can just write propaganda, slogans and insults. Pathetic.

I wonder if this cacique guy is a true petista. He must be someone hired by PSDB to disguise as petista to make them all look pathetic smilies/grin.gif
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written by cacique, August 26, 2006
Yes, you are a pathetic liar, "Truth." Your arguments are so jejune, uninformed and illogical that they are a waste of time. Oh, well, at least YOU think you're smart. LOL
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written by carolina, August 26, 2006
Cacique I left you a message on the thead Are Brazilians ready for Democracy?
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written by Truth, August 27, 2006
Yes, you are a pathetic liar, "Truth." Your arguments are so jejune, uninformed and illogical that they are a waste of time. Oh, well, at least YOU think you're smart. LOL

Ok then. I called most of my countrymen stupid and cheaters. But my arguments are well based for anyone here. They may be objectionable and you could question them. But you call me a liar without showing evidence. What about showing my lies to everyone?

As for being smart, perhaps I'm not. I'm still in Brazil and posting things in the Internet questioning a petista. God knows (if He exists) how many problems that could bring to me eh? Who knows, after Lula's reelection or even before. Perhaps I should watch my mouth, who knows...
Cacique I left you a message on the thead Are Brazilians ready for Democracy?
written by Shinodi, September 01, 2006
Cacique I left you a message on the thead Are Brazilians ready for Democracy? Opisy gg
Truth = ignorant lie
written by opisy gg, September 01, 2006
Truth = ignorant lie
It\"s about time!!!!!!
written by Alda Montgomery, September 08, 2006
Maybe a woman will do a better job than all the croocks that have been the presidents of this beautiful country.
We need a change!!!!!!! I am from Brazil and I have not seen any improvement in this country in decades. Hell, since my grandparents were born (1915)...so they say...
GOOD LUCK Eloisa Helena

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