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The Gol's Boeing fall on September 29 lasted about two minutes and a half. The Brazilian Air Force determined that the left wing's tip of the smaller plane, the Legacy, cut off a piece of the Boeing's right wing making it fall in a spiral into the jungle from a height of 37,000 feet, or about 11,270 meters.

Two minutes and a half. Imagine the sensation of the 154 innocent people locked inside the gigantic steel coffin in free fall. I keep asking myself how many minutes they suffered the foresight of their certain death, before losing conscience due to the depressurization and the lack of oxygen. Horror... Terror... Panic! There are no words to describe this drama.

Besides the relatives pain and the helpless compassion face the irreparable, we are now left to ponder the responsibilities. And here comes the "money, money, power, power," a language that the Yankees know well and like when it's in their favor. This time, it is way out against them, and they are trying to cut their losses, attempting to shift the blame.

A Boeing 737-800 like the one that was brought down is worth from US$ 66 million to US$ 75 million, depending on the perks and amenities it comes with.

As for the lives they don't have a price, but 154 families will have to be compensated anyway. There will be a juridical battle of monumental proportions. The insurance of ExcelAire, the American air-taxi company that owns the Legacy and is the employer of the pilots involved in the accident,  doesn't cover human error. How is this possible?

Both Anglo-American pilots had their passports seized by the Brazilian Air Force. In reality they are detained for inquiries, which is perfectly fair. By the way, this it the minimum we might expect. And surprising things are occurring here.

For those who are younger and still didn't have the time to learn what we who are older mean when we say "North American imperialism", we have here a live and in-color presentation.

The sad episode is a commencement address on how the arrogant neighbors to the North see us and how they behave in times of crisis, especially when we are dealing with defending the sacred right of their companies and citizens to do whatever they wish in  other people's country and then leave scott free.

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The New York Times reporter who was on board the Legacy, and who has as much technical authority as I or you, disqualified the Brazilian air control system in an interview extensively reported the world over.

The next day, another story raised doubts over the running condition of the transponder (the plane's receiver-transmitter that sends the sign to the control tower) of the jet manufactured by the Brazilian company Embraer.

In the third day the pilots lawyer states that they really tried to contact the tower, but no one there answered.

The lawyer is a former minister. The way they see Brazil, a good lawyer has to be a former Justice minister, able to win friends and influence people, as Dr. José Carlos Dias.

The ExcelAire's owner, Bob Sherry, declared: "If there is anybody over there (in Brazil) who has political influence or any other way (note the any other way) to bring our folks back, we will be thankful." A word to the wise.

Even secretary of State Condoleezza Rice is being summoned to help bail out as soon as possible both from Brazil, this way stymying and jeopardizing the investigations.

As a Brazilian Air Force's incensed officer said, "If it were a Brazilian plane hitting a North American commercial plane over there and causing more than a hundred deaths, the pilot would already be behind bars in the Guantanamo base and being treated as a terrorist".

My friend Abelardo Gomes de Abreu, an old and dear resident of São Sebastião, went two months ago to represent Brazil in an oar championship in the United States and he had to undress at the airport to be frisked from head to toe.

In other words, a Brazilian tourist in the USA is always treated as a suspect. while two Americans hyper-suspect of having caused Brazil's worst air disaster ever have to be treated as tourists in vacation.

"Anglo-American imperialism", kids, is that.

In the painful September air tragedy, the only one with some chance of success is the Legacy, manufactured in São José dos Campos, in the interior of São Paulo. It is going to sell like crazy.

After all, if a little plane like that can bring down a Boeing while only damaging its wing's tip and a small section of its tail, it's because it's very good.

David Lerer is a doctor and a former House representative in Brazil.

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written by Ponto, October 31, 2006

Indeed! Nothing else to say!

Brazil's Worst Air Accident Ever Reveals How Arrogant the US Can Be
written by Gane, October 31, 2006

The voice of reason. Good read, and in MHO, ought to be read by those who blindly believe that the US is always right, and that the US could get away with a murder. More articles like this should help people see the ignorance and the outright disrespect for other nations by the U$.

What an (IN)JUSTICE ......
written by Reality, October 31, 2006

1) if it is fair to seize the passports of the US pilots, it should be just as fair to seize the Brazilian ATC passports....as no one knows yet for sure who commited an error. And accusing one side, defending the other (guess what side) is INJUSTICE.
2) The reporter doesnt seem to be aware that the Brazilian investigators (not foreigners) have a different view than the reporters, if David Lerer, would read both the Brazilian and Foreign News.
3) It is quite funny that the reporter accuses the US as arrogant, when from day one, it was ALL the Brazilian press and ALL the Brazilians government who accused openly the US pilots.......before the end of the investigations. If that is NOT INJUSTICE what is it.
4) Below is an article excerpt from a Brazilian reporter (not foreigner) in Sao Paulo, showing that the Brazilians ATC and (IN)justice have rather a strange attitude. Of course the same excuse would have not been accepted if the US pilots did the same.Guess why !

"Oct. 30 -- Ten Brazilian air traffic controllers scheduled to testify this week about the crash of a Boeing 737 in the Sept. 29 Amazon crash that killed 154 people, said they were sick and would be unavailable to investigators.

The air controllers, all based in Brasilia, sent statements to the federal police saying they were ill and would be unable to testify, said a federal police spokesman in Sao Paulo."

Funny...isnt it ? Did they all get a diarrhea......at the same time ????????

Brazil is really nothing else than a Tropical mud and a Tropical mess !
To avoid problems, avoid the country of Brazil and Brazilians themselves ! And those illegally in the USA or the EU should all be sent back to their country ! By the way....why did they leave ? Because they all agreed that Brazil is a s**tty country !!!!!!!!

To David Lerer...!
written by ch.c., October 31, 2006

David,
As a former House representative in Brazil, how much did you cash in illegally through corruptions and in how many corruptions cases have you been involved officially and unofficially ? David how much is worth your undeclared condo in the USA ?
As you know it is due to people like you, the Brazilian politicians, that your country is such a mess and has so much poverty.
You stole everything for yourself and your peers, leaving the residues (not much) to the majority of the population.
You probably find quite normal to export US$ 50 billion annually of agricultural products, instead of feeding FIRST your tens of millions of under nourrished citizens and the millions in hunger ! Greaaaatttt........truly greaaat !

Shame to you David ! You should go to jail for having stolen so much money. And nooooooo doubt that as a doctor your clients were ONLY the minority elite of wealthy Brazilians and not the poors !

Nice David
written by miradora, October 31, 2006

Reading this guy above should be prohibited by the the education ministery

Great article, David, real nice. straightforward and clarifying.

They went right running ask mommy Condi to help out...

Yes it is a tragedy, but....
written by ButterBrown, October 31, 2006

It will be a greater tragedy if innocent people are sent to prison, while those reasponsible remain free. It's easy to pull on people's heart strings in order to get them to take your side, but do you think Brasil is the only country to have tragedy. If i remeber right 5 years ago 4 planes crashed on the same day in the United States and we couldn't bring the ones who did it to justice. But there was one guy who didn't have the stomach to pull it off, but was in all the planning. This man's trial went on for years just so the US could be comfortable with dealing out fair justice. My point is that the vast majority of Americans would agree that if these pilots were reasponsible for that crash they should be met by the entire wait of the Brasilian justice system. Yet, it is a possibility that it wasn't their error. This is why judgement should be held until a full investigation is completed. As far as how much money they are spending on there defense, well that's a fact of life that happens in every country, especially in the US. What we've noticed in the US is that most of the time it doesn't matter how much money you have, if you are guilty you go to jail. I'm sure that the pilots would probably try and buy there way out of this mess, anybody would. I'm also sure that the second thing there trying to buy is a fair trial, which is understandable. It wouldn't be the first time that a foriegner was railroaded by a kangaroo court. As far as being undressed at the airport he can be mad all he wants, but he's not the only one getting undressed. Every fifth person does because it's not legal in the US to only make young middle eastern men go through it, that would be racial profiling, so everyone goes through it. And the comment about Gautanamo Bay was ridiculous you Brasileiros watch way to much CNN international and there misrepresentations are starting to lay roost in your brains.

the Brazilians have a say..
written by ricardo, October 31, 2006

Red peppers in others people's asses, is refreshment for someone else!
I'm thinking that all House of representatives in any country are a bunch of ass.....!

Losers and Winners and whinners.
written by Professor, October 31, 2006

"David Lerer is a doctor and a former House representative in Brazil"

He should stick to doctoring! I imagine being that he is a FORMER House representative in Brazil, must mean he is just a doctor. Doctor of what one
wonders??
It is wonderful he stated his opinion, but it had no substance at all?? What was the point of the article?
I could have easily been titled "Brazil's Worst Air Accident Ever Reveals How Arrogant some Brazilians can Be "

For you lovers of the Brazilian ATC system, just have a read in the news of the current Air Traffic problems in Brazil, take a trip to the Airport and stand in line.

This is just more of the rhetorical diatribe that losers use to justify their impotent, lack of self esteem, inferiority complex and to shift the blame from their own corruption to the attention of a mythical adversary.

The U.S. is not Brazil's enemy, Brazil is their own enemy.

A decent education Brazilian can stand face to face with an American or anyone of any nationality with pride and negotiate competent business or international affairs. As for the rest they are intimidated neurotic losers, like Chavez who wait in line in hopes of somehow belittling the BIG GOLIATH.

Embraer planes !
written by unfortunately, October 31, 2006

Sorry but Embraer produced 155 planes in 2004, 145 in 2005, and recently reduced their 2006 production estimates from 145 to 135 !!!!
That is not selling as cakes do....in my view !
Just check Embraer site, by yourself, to double check what I am saying !

Furthermore, sorry that reporters such as Lerer are so stupid and totally ignorants, because if they think for 1 minute only, the would find out that the vast majority of Gol planes are not Embraer, but Boeings plane !
I can only suppose that Gol management knows why they have chosen a foreign made and not a Brazilian plane !

Finally, you could be proud as you were that Embraer recently got a US$ 1 billion (plus the eventual options) order from Northwest Airlines. Your ego made that this news was on every single Brazilian and foreign newspapers ! But you have hidden the fact, on purpose of course, that Northwest Airlines is operating under Chapter 11 of the US BANKRUPTCY LAW and that by definition their financial status is more than quite precarious !!!!!

No doubt that Varig, your own airline is willing to to give such an order too ! Laugh !

Simple demonstration, that Brazilians reporters are either stupids, or ignorants or cheaters by hiding important facts in their articles ! In my view they are both !

Sounds like just another American basher
written by Bryan, October 31, 2006

What are your qualifications? Enjoyment of ranting? stop exploiting a tragedy so you can act superior. It is a tragedy for everyone. What we need is changes in air traffic control and other regulations and policies so this never happens again -- worldwide. Not arrogant ranting and blaming. There is plenty of blame to go around to Brazilians as well as Americans. So take a deep breath, pull the stick out that's implanted in your butt and get over it.

Your false tears cannot hide you real motive!!!
written by UGGGHHHHH, October 31, 2006

OH, let´s all weep. The olny reason this monkey cares about those on the flight is becasue Americans were involved in the accident. The only reason these apes cared about Jean Mendez was that he was killed by British Authorities.

But where are the crockodile tears FOR THESE PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Brazil murder rate similar to war zone

1.00pm Tuesday September 26, 2006

BRASILIA, Brazil - More than 150 Brazilians were murdered each day last year on average, putting Brazil on a par with some war zones in terms of its homicide rate, the Justice Ministry said today.

Some 55,000 Brazilians died of homicide in 2005 - a few thousand more civilians than in three years of war in Iraq, according to leading estimates.

Brazil, a continent-sized nation of 185 million people starkly divided into rich and poor, has had notoriously high crime rates for years. Millions of poor live in urban slums and unpoliced rural areas where guns are easy to come by.

Though the murder rate is high, Marcelo Durante, co-ordinator of the Justice Ministry's report, said homicides have fallen slowly in recent years thanks in part to an initiative to collect guns from the streets.

Citizens have voluntarily turned in thousands of weapons in places like Rio de Janeiro, the famous beachside city whose urban slums have some of the highest crime rates in Brazil.

A referendum in 2005 to ban gun sales failed, in part because some voters had lost faith in police.

"It was the states that collected the most guns that saw crime rates fall most," said Durante, "but we have to remember it's not just about guns."

Other kinds of violent crime in Brazil are far more common than statistics show, Durante said, adding that urban surveys suggest only a quarter of all robberies and 15 per cent of all rapes are reported nationwide.

"At least with homicide, we can be a little more confident most of the crimes are getting reported," he said.

Murders also declined in Brazil's largest city of Sao Paulo in recent years, Durante said. Earlier this year, however, a gang known as First Command of the Capital launched a series of attacks on police, banks and buses in which about 200 police, gangsters and innocent civilians were killed.

- REUTERS

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written by ex pat, October 31, 2006

Wow prof, I´ve got a whole new respect for you...

hey ex pat
written by Professor, October 31, 2006

hey ex pat

Why haven't you thrown your two cents in???

Hangover perhaps??

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written by ex pat, October 31, 2006

-- Why haven't you thrown your two cents in???

No need to, I think you summed up the article quite nicely. I´d only be echoing your sentiments.

-- Hangover perhaps??

Just old age.

Incredible cluelessness
written by A brazilian, October 31, 2006

No, the article is not the one that's clueless, THE CLUELESS PEOPLE IS THE HORDE OF DISINFORMED IDIOTS POSTING ABSURDITIES IN THIS FORUM.

"You probably find quite normal to export US$ 50 billion annually of agricultural products, instead of feeding FIRST your tens of millions of under nourrished citizens and the millions in hunger ! Greaaaatttt........truly greaaat !"

WTF!? The US have millions of poors too, so they should halt anything else they do in order to fix it!?

"For you lovers of the Brazilian ATC system, just have a read in the news of the current Air Traffic problems in Brazil, take a trip to the Airport and stand in line. "

Really? What does it have to do with the kind of lies the US journalist was spreading around.

"This is why judgement should be held until a full investigation is completed."

We have seen a lot of crap flying all over coming from the american press and you tell us that WE SHOULD WAIT THE DUE PROCEDURES!? Well, what about you start doing what you are saying? That would be a good start.

"No doubt that Varig, your own airline is willing to to give such an order too ! Laugh !"

Varig is not the only airline a*****e. I bet you can't point in a map where Brazil is at all.

"Brazil murder rate similar to war zone "

I guess that makes americans and british to commit murder and get away with it acceptable, doesn't it?

The facts:

The american pilots screwed up and justice must be made, you like it or not. If that reporter weren't so loud mouthed, spreading lies about Brazil to the four winds the population wouldn't even care about it, more people die in car accidents than in plane accidents. BUT NOW PEOPLE WANT BLOOD! The press won't leave this case until someone is crucified for it. THANKS, GRINGOS! YOU SCREWED UP ONCE AGAIN!

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written by Fabio, October 31, 2006

As we can read above, a stupid Brazilian wrote an stupid article and several American citizens reacted as stupid cowboys, revealing their prejudice against the entire Brazilian population.

Reality is: (1) the accident was caused by a sequence of small mistakes, part of them incurred by Brazilian air traffic controls, part of them by the American pilots. (2) The American pilots are not in jail. They are free to go everywhere, doing everything they want. They are not allowed to leave the country because they are the only survivors who can help clarify the causes of such accident. This is the same procedure the American Justice apply to any possible offender before his/her guilt is proved (or not) (3) The Brazilian press was clearly partial in this case, judging the Americans based on weak evidences and preliminary conclusions. Today the press has been forced by facts to accept that the air traffic controllers had an important role in this tragedy (4) Embraer is a major player in the aircraft manufacturing industry and it´s growing. Production is not smaller today than in the past. Embraer is shifting from small size plane manufacturer to large size plane manufacturer. And takes longer to craft a 100 seat airplane than a 29 seat one. (5) Corruption is widespread among politicians. It is a cancer in our society. (6) "Statistics" broadcasted worldwide about poverty in Brazil are largely false and not supported by serious demographic research. Those who have no income from jobs get a cash from the government to buy food. People die from diseases, urban violence, car crashes but not from lack of food.(7) American imperialism is an old fashion leftist expression that the current leftist government love to apply to everything ( Brazilian companies by airplanes from Boeing. American companies buy airplanes from Embraer. We all live in the same world

Nooooooo .....Brazilians ATC had no diarrhea.....!!!!!
written by ch.c., October 31, 2006

Just to show that the arrogants are the Brazilians, because they of course would not have accepted the same excuse from the US pilots, than the excuse of the Brazilians ATC provided.
Funny that all have the same "illness"....at the same time...and no one can testify until the same date of November 13 ?

Here it is :
"RIO DE JANEIRO, Brazil (AP) -- Ten flight controllers have said they are under psychiatric treatment and declined to be questioned by federal police about a September 29 midair collision that killed 154 people in Brazil's worst air disaster, the government news service reported Tuesday.

A Boeing 737-800 of Gol Linhas Aereas Inteligentes SA, Brazil's No. 2 airline, collided with a Brazilian-made Legacy 600 executive jet over the Amazon jungle of Mato Grosso state. All 154 people aboard the Boeing were killed, while the Legacy landed safely at a nearby air force base.

Federal police inspector Renato Sayao had planned to question the flight controllers, who were assigned to airports in Manaus, in the western Amazon jungle, and Brasilia, the central capital, but the Brazilian Air Force said they were flight controllers were under psychiatric treatment until November 13, Agencia Brasil reported.

The flight data recorders of both planes were analyzed in Canada but the cause of the collision has not yet been announced."

No doubt that this is a cover up excuse and manipulation to hide the truth !
And again if this is not a Brazilian manipulation.....what is it ?????? Please answer.....!!!!!

Brazilians are really crazy to believe than anyone will trust the ATC more than strange excuse !

What a joke......what a joke...these Brazilians !

and to Bryan....sorry the basher one more time was the Brazilian reporter called David Lerer... ! I just responded to his sarcastic accusations !

Because as you can see, NO ONE YET KNOWS, WHO commted an error ......CONTRARY TO ALL BRAZILIANS ACCUSATIONS AND CONCLUSIONS !
But what everyone can realize that the "apparent" illness EXCUSE of the Brazilians ATC, would have obviously not been accepted if the US pilots WOULD HAVE GOTTEN THE SAME ILLNESS !!!!
Strange...isnt it ?


And to A Brazilian....sorry for you but NO U.S. citizen is under nourrished or in hunger. And NO U.S. family of 4 or 6 earns US$ 100.- or less per month contrary to the 11 millions of Brazilians families getting the Bolsa Familia !!!!!!
Why dont you ask to these 11 millions families where they would prefer to reside...in Brazil or the USA ?????
Why do you have 2 or 3 millions illegal residents in the USA alone and not 2 or 3 millions of illegal U.S. citizens in Brazil ?????
Same question for Europe !
Even a "poor" American or European has 1 or 2 cars, but that is not the case in Brazil !

Why dont you put Bill Gates in a Brazilian stadium with 45'000 football fans ? Statistically they are all millionaires in US$....on average, but effectively there is only 1 !!!!!!!!!!!!! No difference in Brazilian society !!!!!
That is why that despite your relatively high GDP per capita for a developing country, Brazil as an entity is classified as low middle class society, but also that Brazil has the World Highest Poverty Rate.....when compared to their GDP per capita.

Yesssss a real human tragedy !

to A brazilian
written by Professor, October 31, 2006

Hey "A Brazilian" you and David Lerer have a lot in common are you one and the same or lovers?

Really you are the one who makes no sense!

Does America intimidate you? Do Americans intimidate you? I live in São Paulo myself so I can at least say something about Brazilians, have you been scorned by the BIG USofA? Did they strip search you at the Airport?
What is that is so bad that that they could have done to you? I really do not think you know s**t from Shinola!

Prove me wrong that you are not an idiot, tell me who abused you?

To A Brazilian.........
written by ch.c., October 31, 2006

there is no hunger and even starvation in Brazil ????
Why dont you read the article that appeared a few days ago.....on this same site....when a when a Brazilian mother of 4 children committed suicide ?
Here is excerpt of the article :
"Suicide and malnutrition are common amongst many Guarani communities, where hundreds of people are squeezed on to tiny plots of land and are no longer able to feed themselves by hunting, fishing and growing crops.

In the last two decades over 300 Guarani Indians, approximately 1% of the Guarani population in Brazil, have killed themselves. In 2005 dozens of Guarani children died of starvation."

AND WHY DONT YOU READ THE MAY 18 ARTICLE ON THIS SITE, SAYING :

" This assessment was made Thursday, May 18, by the president of the Brazilian National Council on Food and Nutritional Security (CONSEA), Chico Menezes, in comments on an unprecedented study of this topic by the Brazilian Institute of Geography and Statistics (IBGE).

According to the IBGE study, which was released yesterday, May 17, approximately 14 million people experience hunger in Brazil. 40% of the population or 72 million Brazilians have not enough food to eat."



YESSSSSS YOUR ACT LIKE CRIMINALS BY EXPORTING US$ 50 billions in agriculture annually, instead of feeding your tens of millions citizens under nourrished or in hunger !
Please name, if you know one, another major agricultural exporter, doing the same as Brazil does !!!!

A true shame your answer of mixing poverty between the USA and Brazil !
I could answer you that even the 20 % lowest income citizens in MONACO are statisically poor...by definition.
It remains that none of them are poors in the true sense of the word ....but they are ALL VERY wealthy when compared even with the Brazilian Middle Class !
The average price of an appartment there is "only" US$ 50'000.- (Reais 110'000.-) PER SQUARE METER !!!!!
You read well...hopefully, there is no typing error !

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written by A brazilian, October 31, 2006

"And to A Brazilian....sorry for you but NO U.S. citizen is under nourrished or in hunger"

I think you should check your facts again. There are poor people in the US, even if they have no voice and they aren't shown in the movies.

"Why dont you ask to these 11 millions families where they would prefer to reside...in Brazil or the USA ????? "

They would reside wherever they will have food.

Ask the millions of people that migrated there, DO YOU LIKE CLEANING TOILETS? Hahaha. Yes, because that's an immigrant job, the luxurious toilet cleaner, house maid or fast food careers.

"Why do you have 2 or 3 millions illegal residents in the USA alone and not 2 or 3 millions of illegal U.S. citizens in Brazil ????? "

Because there's a network of human trafficking that's convenientely ignored by the US authorities because quasi-slaves are good for the american businesses. The same for Europe. JUST ASK YOURSELF, "WHO BENEFITS FROM IT?" AND YOU WILL HAVE THE ANSWER.

THINK FOR A SECOND!! DO YOU REALLY THINK A STARVING PERSON FROM WHEREVER REALLY HAS $10,000 TO PAY FOR SUCH AN ADVENTURE?

They offer a paid trip to somewhere, saying something like a "job as waitress" and the person will pay them back when she gets the money working. Then she is forced into prostution, enslaved or killed. Sometimes forced to work under inhuman conditions, that the BEAUTIFUL IMMIGRANT REALITY.

In the best of the cases the person just ends up cleaning toilets while sending the money back to their families in wherever they came from, wow, they made America! Hahahahha Those immigrants don't even learn English, that's to show how they care if it's the US or not.

"Even a "poor" American or European has 1 or 2 cars, but that is not the case in Brazil "

Even a poor can have a car in here, it just depends of what you call a car. A 40 year old piece of junk is not expensive at all.

"Yesssss a real human tragedy ! "

The only real tragedy is how dumb asses like yourself get those numbers and publicize them to support a flawed point. So you googled for it, right? Wow, she knows how to use the computer!

WTF, what the number of millionaires have to do with anything!?

Now, take your head from your ass, that will make everything clearer for you.

Doctor? Calling Bulls**t.
written by JWR, October 31, 2006

"In the painful September air tragedy, the only one with some chance of success is the Legacy, manufactured in São José dos Campos, in the interior of São Paulo. It is going to sell like crazy.

After all, if a little plane like that can bring down a Boeing while only damaging its wing's tip and a small section of its tail, it's because it's very good."

This a*****e is a doctor? Please. Must have lost his license to practice because he really sounds like a completely sick a*****e. Nice PR move to praise the Legacy jet you sick piece of s**t. You have a nice vacation to some tropical waiting for you no doubt. Your message sucked but just so you know - YOU ARE ONE SORRY f**kING WRITER regardless of the message. Please go back to killing patients and taking bribes and spare the readers . .

To JWR
written by Professor, October 31, 2006

I thought I was the only one who read and understood what he said!
Congratulations, I think the DOC is as you said, a sick peice of s**t!

More Brazilian mentality..

Slow Downnnnnn
written by Ken, October 31, 2006

Everyone should slow down a little on this very sad accident.
The facts will come out, it may take a long time, but they will come out as the Brazilian newspapers are very good.
Just today in Brazil all air traffic has been brought to an almost stand still...
Why? the air traffice controllers have started a "strike" to demonstrate their overload - and maybe to prepare the country for their mistake due to their overload....
It is very strange that all ten controllers due to testify called in sick...also that they have not made public their voice recordings with both flights.
Over a month ago this accident happened and these radio recordings have not been made public yet.
I hope that these radio recordings do not become lost or deleted........

The essence of “American” arrogance!
written by carioCAO, October 31, 2006

The dictionary defines “arrogance” as the feeling of superiority manifested in an overbearing manner or presumptuous claims.

The very adjective “American” as defined by US citizens relates to the U.S.A and its territories, they simply took ownership of that word as if Central and South America didn’t exist.

Will The Real Americans Please Stand Up? No presumptuous “Americans” Please!

Peace

Warmongering Americans...Again!
written by PJ, October 31, 2006

America is the only nation in history which has miraculously gone directly from barbarism to degeneration without the usual interval of civilization.

United States of Amoeba
written by PJ, October 31, 2006

your arrogance maybe long but your blood is limited

Proud To Be An American
written by PJ, October 31, 2006

America, the perfect example of why the rest of the world laughs at you (just copy this into your browser):

http://www.transbuddha.com/mediaHolder.php?id=940

hehehe, the land of Bush!

Let's not get personal
written by GRM, October 31, 2006

Nicely said Fabio,

Funnily enough, what annoyed me most about the original article was the bit about depressurisation and lack of oxygen. Not really sure that that would have happened, as with the aircraft's descent the oxygen levels would have been steadily rising after a possible inital fall (if the fuselage was ruptured at all).

Anyway - does this have to get so personal? I'm not sure why there are comments about the Brits here, they've got nothing to do with it. I don't think the US pilots should be allowed to leave until the case is cleared up. I don''t think their detention in Brazil is any worse than the Patriot Act is it? I also live in São Paulo and am aware of the many problems in Brazil, (Professor - if you're a Yankee living in SP and have so much to complain about - why not go home?) but I have also lived in the US and it has certainly got plenty that the rest of the world can complain about. A tendency for going to war unilaterally; a disregard for the global effects of its enormous emissions (do they really believe there's no evidence for global warming?) - just look how much everyone complains when fuel prices go up, even though they're still so much less than elsewhere; a population that is generally ignorant about the outside world (you're lucky to get news from beyond your state, let alone another country, and even then it's only in the cases in which the US has a vested interest; hey - they elected Bush for a second term, and this time he won democratically. That's a crime in itself and reflets a worrying neo-conservatism post 9/11. I think Chavez is an idiot, but it's good that someone stands up the to US - I had a chuckle to myself when he sold oil to the US last year. Maybe Brazil will be doing that sometime given that they are self sufficient in oil and are pushing alcohol and natural-gas-based vehicles, wheras the US for some reason doesn't seem to be.

OK that's my 2p worth.

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written by Rick, October 31, 2006

This article is poorly written, but inadvertantly points out one of the main issues being discussed in the English language professional airline pilots´blogs: how did a commuter airplane´s winglet bring down a 737? No one can explain it. Some have suggested that more emphasis should be placed on training pilots in unusual attitudes, i.e., an intro to aerobatics and more emphasis on spin recovery. This accident is a conundrum.

As a part of the Brazilian aviation community, with pilot and mechanic certificates both in the US and Brazil, and thousands of hours, let me add that aviation professionals themselves do not usually get drawn into country versus country discussions, but tend to view the aviation community as a unit, as contrasted with the non-flying public. In Egypt it was the government that continued to deny that an airliner copilot purposely brought down a flight in order to commit sucide. An Egyptian aviation expert told the truth and has not been heard from since. The truth did not fit in to their concept of national honor.But aviation professionals want the truth so they can learn from the mistakes of others.

So much baloney has been published regarding transponders. Radar has been around since the 1940´s. Radar can identify the location of an aircraft (or a weather balloon) whether the object has a transponder or not. In the past few years another function was added to radar stations, which added the basic transponder, allowing the controller to assign a four digit code to the aircraft for futher ID purposes. Now they can see you AND know who you are. Mode C adds another function, an altitude readout. But the radar station can still see (paint) a plane with no transponder. And yet you have people writing for major media who evidently have the idea that if a plane has no transponder turned on, the controllers can´t see him . Wrong. But so sure of themselves.

GRM
written by Professor, October 31, 2006

Professor - if you're a Yankee living in SP and have so much to complain about - why not go home?

This is my home GRM.

Why you here GRM, you f**kin BLOKES run out of Brazilians to assassinate?
You go back home ya pompus wankin twat!

GRM
written by Professor, October 31, 2006

Sorry GRM here is the U I left out of the word pompous..

GRM
written by Professor, October 31, 2006

One more thing..

I also live in São Paulo and am aware of the many problems in Brazil

You are aware?? Are ya fucin sure lad??
You are brilliant!
LOL

THEN WHY DO U GO THERE?
written by f**k U, October 31, 2006

TO WHOEVER THE HELL REALITY IS...

U CAN TALK ABOUT THE COUNTRY AS MUCH AS YOU WANT TO. IM SURE YOU'VE TRIED TO GO TO BRAZIL AND GOT DENIED. OR YOU WENT AND GOT ROBBED. I MEAN, YEAH BRAZIL HAS ITS PROBLEMS. BUT SO DOES THE USA... OR EUA AS US BRAZILIANS CALL IT. BRAZILIANS HAVE TII MUCH RESPECT FOR THE U.S. A LOT OF BRAZILIANS DO. AND THIS COUNTRY WAS MADE OF THIEVES AND f**k-UPS LOOK AT BUSH. LOOK AT HIS DAD. LOOK BACK IN HISTORY. SO IM NOT SUPRISED THAT ONE OF YOUR COMPANIES IS TRYING TO f**k OVER A FEW BRAZILIANS. YOU KNOW. AND ALSO, WHEN YOU'RE DOWN IN LOS ANGELES AND YOU WANT TO TAKE THIS OUT FACE TO FACE. WE CAN DO THIS THE BRAZILIAN WAY OR THE AMERICAN WAY WHICH BOTH INVOLVE A FIGHT. I RESPECT AMERICANS FOR WHAT THEY'VE MADE OF THE COUNTRY BUT s**t. YOU GUYS ARE SUPER CORRUPT. JUST LIKE BRAZIL. SO f**k YOU AND YOUR AIRLINE.

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written by NYSoxfan, October 31, 2006

indeed, this article is poorly written. Lerer is sounding off on the same nationalistic bulls**t that got the U.S. into Iraq. Let's hope Brazil doesn't invade Paraguay... oops, I forgot. They're friends going back to the Operation Condor days (Alfredo Stroessner? hello?)... not even Lula can clean up that mess. Back to the story at hand, there was a plane crash here. And every day that passes is another day that the families of the victims will not know what happened. And like every other plane crash that occurs, if officials, pilots and the airlines don't learn why the accidents happen, they can't prevent the same mistakes from happening again. If Brazilian officials are holding the air traffic controllers for 'psychiatric evaluation' then something is very very wrong with the oversight of the Brazilian airline industry. All parties involved need to get to the bottom of this mess, no matter what country they may be from.

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written by ric, November 01, 2006

i was quite taken back by your article criticizing the usa after the plane crash and then in your stern manner detailing how in america if two brazilian pilots were flying the smaller aircraft they would be taken to guantanamo and imprisoned and then how your brazilian friend in america was strip searched from head to toe...my oh my what a beautiful accurate and sincere expose you just wrote of america....please tell me, what is wrong with your mentality and intelligence and common sense and decency? to begin with any air crash takes much detailed time and expert evidence of all pertinent facts before it can be determined who or what was at fault, and in this case we just don't know and may not know for a very long time exactly what took place and to lay blame on any party whether it be the gol pilots, the people at the airport control towers or the pilots from america on the smaller jet or a malfunction of one of the vital instruments is just impossible....and to berate america, let me just state to you i have traveled all over the world, lived in many different countries, and the most giving, most compassionate people i ever met were from america......just think for a moment, what if some f**king nut like chavez or morales had the nuclear capacity and deliverability of america, and remember those two a*****es are in your part of the world in s. america.....do you think for one moment either one of these jackasses would even hesitate to use these weapons on brazil? if you do then you're in dreamland....believe me when morales sent his federal troops to seize petrrobras immense two billion dollar facilities in bolivia he was in essence telling everyone in brazil, amigos, you're very lucky we don't have nuclear weapons, cause if we did you wouldn't see tomorrow amigos.....america used nuclear weapons to end the war against japan and in case you don't know sufficient history, even though these two blasts killed many thousands it ended the war and actually saved the loss of tens of millions of men women and children because japan would have fought with every child and woman in case america had to invade their mainland, and like the sick crazed islamac muslims these japanese were just as insane, they were kamikazies, giving their lives gladly to be taken to the heavens to be honored everyday by their emperor....so the next time you hear about big bad america killing and hurting so many people try to visualize a world controlled by hitler and the japs and the islamic fundamentalists..... i don't think the people of brazil would be too thrilled with that kind of world, do you? americans have given of themselves to help others more than all of the other countries put together....shame shame on you, for your disgusting and terribly biased article against the united states of america......

OK, someone has to say this, it might as well be me.
written by sertanejo, November 01, 2006

This accident was a real tradgedy, but why is everyone assuming that the GOL pilots were completely blameless? As has been stated above, it's amazing that the the Legacy managed to bring down the 737 considering the relatively minor damage to the Legacy. We still don't know what the GOL pilots were doing when the accident occurred.

Why doesn't everyone back off the heated rhetoric, and wait for the results of the investigation? I just hope that all of the truth comes out, and let the blame fall where it may.

Basics in geography?
written by miradora, November 01, 2006

Iran, North Korea and France in the Australian Continent (Oceania)??? Lots of time to find them on the map...wrongly...ugh! lol

Thank you so much PJ, that was so funny!! Now I understand why you call bush voters ignorants.Geopolitics basic knowledge then forget about it.

About the "discussion" the article talks about the American insensible sentiment and attitude. People can ignore that as much as they want, that won't change the article and what people think about it.

How disappointing to see the level of discussion carried on here.
written by Chris, November 01, 2006

I am an citizen of the United States of America and I'm proud of it and I would expect any Brasiliero to be proud of their citizenship as well. This crash was a disaster for all humanity and contrary to what some apparently believe, no one in the U.S. or Brasil wanted this to happen. This is not about "American Imperialism" or "Brazilian incompetence". Mistakes were made on both sides and the only proper course of action to follow now is to find out the truth and take corrective action.

Shame on all of you who have written such hateful comments...Americans or Brazilians. None of your comments do anything to comfort the families who have lost dear loved ones. Instead of wasting your time writing hateful comments, we should all be trying to discover ways we can learn from each other instead of insulting each other.

I'm hosting a young foreign exchange student from Brasil in my home right now and I thank God she doesn't have to read some of the garbage both sides of this issue have put out on these pages.

I will pray for all of the families who have lost loved ones in this tragedy and that my friends is far more constructive than most of your comments here......Good Bye.

P.S. I would dearly love to visit Brasil someday, but I really can't say I'd feel welcomed there after some of your comments. If your thinking of visiting the U.S. please recognize that the VAST MAJORITY of U.S. Citizens are not the Brasil haters you hear from here.....I'll be looking for another site to learn about Brasil.

Let the investigation take course...
written by Brida Maestro, November 01, 2006

Dear Doctor,
You failed to put in context the responses of the US officials and company representatives, who are responding to a media linching of the two pilots.
It is worth noticing that under ICAO rules judiciary should have waited until the end of the investigation. Instead, responding to the media storm, judges and prosecutors got their 15 minutes of fame by taking the passports of the pilots away.

Furthermore, in your charges that the US is blaming Embraer by pointing to a possible failure of the transponder, you are underscoring your own ignorance about the situation: the transponder is made by a US company.
In summary, if people like you would be quiet and let the technical investigators find the CAUSES of this tragic disaster, things would be better for all.

This is not a political incident, and idiots like you are trying desperately to make it into one. This is an ACCIDENT, and if there are entities or people that are found negligent, the rules are clear on how to proceed.

BM

Cheep shot by a LOSER freelance writer
written by USANationOfImmigrants, November 01, 2006

Whoever the writer is, this David Lerer person, he should try to avoid fomenting and inciting emotions on all issues, when this entire accident is still in the investigation process. USA and Brazil have an excellent relationship, and for him to accuse the USA of imperialism just exposes his ignorance of the relationship between the two countries.

According to the dictionary, the defintion of imperialism is, "the policy of extending the rule or authority of an empire or nation over foreign countries, or of acquiring and holding colonies and dependencies." HOW THE HELL IS DOES THIS APPLY TO THE ACCIDENT, OR EVEN TO THE REAL LIFE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN BRAZIL AND THE USA????????

The writer uses EMOTIONALISM that is not based on anything but a self serving need to make an impact. And the impact made only exposes himself an unrealiable, uninformed and ignorant reporter; I suggest the writer look are another form of livelihood.....he is absolutely unqualified to analyze or write investigatory reports based on FACT and REALITY.

Do you know the difference?
written by Athina Onassis, November 01, 2006

The difference between Brazil and EU/USA: There is corruption and dirty things happening in all these countries...the difference is that brazilian people don't accept it and do whatever they can to show it on newspapers. By the other side, americans hide every kind of corruption/scandal. American politicians steal lots of dollars from public organizations but american people are too polite to say something. They prefer to hide its dirty not to show to the world who they really are. A bunch of s**t.

Athina Onassis, are you for real or on drugs???
written by USANationOfImmigrants, November 01, 2006

Athina, American politicians steal? Our governmental system is structured so that stealing is IMPOSSIBLE (unlike in Brazil and other bannana republics). SO ARE YOU ON DRUGS, or have never lived in the USA? We are the LEAST CORRUPT nation on earth. There's no other nation as OPEN and HONEST than the USA. In the USA you face the law no matter who you are (example President Nixon). We are a land of immigrants who were FED UP of corruption and tyranny in their home countries and came to USA to help create and maintain a government that is BETTER than where they came from.

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written by ex pat, November 01, 2006

"the difference is that brazilian people don't accept it"

Ya, and that´s where the expression "Rouba, mais fez" comes into play right Athina?

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written by ex pat, November 01, 2006

Concordo,corrupção não é uma invenção do Brasil, mais ....


...a impunidade é bem Brasileiro.

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written by ex pat, November 01, 2006

"There's no other nation as OPEN and HONEST than the USA"

That's stretching things ....

To USANATIONOFIMMIGRANTS!!!
written by Athina Onassis, November 01, 2006

If you open "The Miami Herald" Newspaper you are going to read it there. You also can read it online. It is full of cases of corruption in USA involving american politicians there.

EX-Pat
written by Athina Onassis, November 01, 2006

Was that sentence you mentioned in spanish or portuguese? Sorry, I couldn't understand it.

USANationOfImmigrants
written by Athina Onassis, November 01, 2006

Sorry, you are blind and deaf.

Athina Onassis
written by Professor, November 01, 2006

"the difference is that brazilian people don't accept it"

I agree with "Athina Onassis " For GOD sake don't let her breed anymore!!

For example: Paulo Maluf he cant be corrupt can he? Considering his popularity
in the last election!

If he is corrupt why would so many vote for him??? Thus corruption is not really corruption is it, because the difference is that brazilian people don't accept it!

And look at the U.S.A. Disney Land for example, yes! Look at the corruption there folks!! Goofy is not Goofy, cause Mickey f**ked Mini, so Mini is f**king Goofy right???

In my opinion Athina is f**king Goofy!

Athina, sorry to dissapoint you.......
written by USANationOfImmigrants, November 01, 2006

..........I am not blind and deaf, sorry to dissapoint you. You quote the Miami Herald, but that is very convenient.....words are cheap. So just for my curiosity please give me the link to any such article(s), to back up your claims. Otherwise I feel very sorry for you, and will contribute to your mental health care.

To Professor
written by Athina Onassis, November 01, 2006

I'm really impressed with your intelligence....so, you know who Paulo Maluf is.....That's awesome!!! You are brilliant!!! Congrats!!!!

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written by ex pat, November 01, 2006

"Was that sentence you mentioned in spanish or portuguese? Sorry, I couldn't understand it."

So what you’re saying is that either 1., you don’t read Portuguese, or 2., you’re just a freaking idiot?

Então mocinha, qual é?

Na verdade eu acho que vc é um TROLL memso, e nada mais.

Athina
written by Professor, November 01, 2006

Aha "Athina"

You are British or were raped by one, cause only the GAY BLOKES say
Brilliant!

www.miamiherald.com
written by Athina Onassis, November 01, 2006

SEARCH and type the word CORRUPTION. It is gonna show many cases of corruption in USA.

to Professor
written by Athina Onassis, November 01, 2006

I told you were brilliant!!! How did you realize I'm gay? Athina is the name I use to f**k people like you!!!

Athina
written by Professor, November 01, 2006

Athina!

I never thought about searching for the word CORRUPTION before?
Geeez, should I use Google?

To make things more challenging try searching for: CORRUPTION+BRAZIL
feel free to use any search engine!

I got 6,940,000 reference for CORRUPTION+BRAZIL
I got 14,700,000 references for CORRUPTION+USA

I guess this alone kinda proves what you said is bulls**t Americans hide every kind of corruption/scandal

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written by Righto, November 01, 2006

Very nicely written and presented article.
As usual, the bastard americans are reacting like monkeys, and look like a frog, of whom nobody cares, unable to digest the truth, and unable to see others developing and themself being hated to the hilt.
Regarding poverty, Americans are most poor by heart, brain, manners, global civic sense and so on. Poor chaps. Its become normal to see majority of people making jokes and laughing of US and Arrogant americans, across the globe, including their so called friends of america. As usual these monkeys will pounce and start tearing of pieces of what I have just written. Others laugh at the scene. Its just unbelievable, that without somebody being a big big fool, so many illegal immigrants go in and live and work in u.s.a. hehehe hehehe...he he huh

Professor, is that childish logic, or......?
written by USANationOfImmigrants, November 01, 2006

"Professor" is that childish logic, simplistic reasoning, or sheer ignorance? Anyone with average IQ understands you cannot simply google "corruption+usa" and "corruption+brazil" to guage the corruption index of the two countries. If you still don't get it, try this: USA gets a lot more press coverage than Brazil, USA being the only SUPERPOWER the world. There are lots of other factors, but then that would be beyond your mental comprehension.

Some of the morons posting online is just hilarious......no wonder our world (and their country) is in such poor shape.

@Professor, is that childish logic, or......?
written by ex pat, November 01, 2006

I think you missed the whole point of the prof's exercise.

USANationOfImmigrants
written by Professor, November 01, 2006

Yes, I was being childish, because that is what the whole topic has been!
"Athina"

Here is a link to the worlds most corrupt countries perceptions survey:

http://ww1.transparency.org/cpi/2005/cpi2005.sources.en.html

#1 Iceland (the least)
#11 United Kingdom (Gay people are less Corrupt)
#17 USA
#62 Brazil (LOL) Imagine that!
#158 Chad (the most)

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written by Righto, November 01, 2006

Some of the americans posting here are so full of s**t that no wonder, usa is the country with largest enemies, and most insecure feeling. no wonder they all are falling down, and see the face of bushy bush these days on tv, and condo condi is hilarious. time is close when several countries will put mass boycot on usa for their rotten behaviour. super power???? this is called day dreaming? why doesnt usa abandon its nuclear bombs, and sale of weapons? why doesnt it focus on growing food and exporting it? why does it focus on creating fights? betweenother countries??? the answer is simple, you dirty american dogs also know it. now the whole word knows it. as usual, u s**tty americans, start barking...as i am posting this truth

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written by Sam Whigham, November 01, 2006

Why does U.S have to be called arrogant?
I think its a matter of hate toward the U.S. position in the world.

People like all of you bloggers from both sides
written by I Love Brazil, November 01, 2006

Are nutts. Listen to yourselves. Don't hate me just because I am an American. I love Brazil. And I love Brazilian people and culture. Problems and all! I am not too crazy about my government. But that has nothing to do with this disaster. The Air Traffic Controllers cleared that Legacy jet to be at 37,000 ft. Period. Sorry folks. The recorders proved it. Stop spinning and do somthing about it or your country is just as bad as the big ole boogey man to the north called the USA!

Why is your air traffic snarled now? Because your own air traffic controllers know the truth and are not taking on more workload than is safe. Brazilians are compassionate loyal people who know the difference between right and wrong. Stop blaming America for everythibng and go solve the problem. Its a big one.

USANationOfImmigrants, are you for real or on drugs???
written by Costinha, November 01, 2006

“There's no other nation as OPEN and HONEST than the USA”… That’s a FIRST rate joke!

In the old days, crooks like Al Capone would buy a judge. Capone had to buy judges because he wasn't part of the establishment. But that's tough, paying off one judge at a time. So the now crooks just buy the government and get new laws. Actually it's worse than that. The crooks are the government!

As to the “professor” writing comments here, he is an authority after all he holds a PhD… Pimping Hoes Degree!

F*** Bush, the draft dodger.

USANationOfImmigrants....I feel sorry for you
written by michael, November 01, 2006

You are the type of American that is killing your own country through ignorance. Do watch Fox (Republican Party) News for your information?

American corruption is just much more sophisticated. The whole war in Iraq is an example of American on a scale grander than a country like Brazil could imagine. It was an invasion for control of oil and for contracts for Dick Cheney's former company.

Intelligent, well-informed Americans know this as well as just about everybody else in the world...wake the f**k up!

And being a poster boy for the stereotypical arrogant American, of course you assume your country has the least corruption in the world. We're number one! What a joke. Get out and read something other than getting your news from Fox or CNN.

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written by an observer, November 01, 2006

David Lerer, you are an arrogant opportunist and a poor writer.

It's hypocritical that such an arrogant man could possibly accuse anyone else, let alone an entire country of arrogance.

It seems by the responses to this article that some Brazilians are just as arrogant as David Lerer and are so enveloped in narcissism that they have no clue how ridiculous they sound. I hope that most Brazilians are not like the xenophobic anti-American activists who wrote and responded positively to this trashy article.

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written by Righto, November 01, 2006

Why do people in most nations hate the american posters on the expat site worldover? Dont throw a stupid rant, saying that people cant stand the number 1 position of usa. u r not number one, when nobody wants to talk good about you arrogant americans, typicaly the ones posting here. normal mentality americans, we pity on you for your own country men are spoiling the rep**ation of usa. americans these days have to bully other countries to express support, and friendship.....shame shame...shame...
Go eat s**t.

Anti-Americanism
written by REDNECK, November 01, 2006

The anti-americanism is spread through international selective "news" reporting originating from marxist sources like the New York SLIMES, the Washington comPOST, and Al-Reuters.

Shut Your Pie Hole REDNECK
written by Costinha, November 01, 2006

you hollerin' Redneck afflicted with Tourette's syndrome.

Oh look... Just 249621841 more days until I start caring what you think. GET LOST PECKERWOOD!

To you few anti-Americans
written by USANationOfImmigrants, November 01, 2006

1. USA remains the No. 1 immigrant destination in the world........hmmmmmm.....I wonder why this is so, if the whole world hates us.
2. When you attack the USA, you attack the world. USA is comprised of all races, all nationalities and creeds.
2. Suppose, all your hatred for us comes true and Islamo-fascism or China becomes the dominant world power, let's see if you would be able to spew your hatred and freedom to speak against them, especially with a global Islamic conversion their goal. Oh, by the way, they love you femino-phobic flamers so much, they actually execute sodomites. bwahahahahaha!!!

..........and try not to masquerade behind different names on this blog.........we all know you are the same losers

More s**t to chew on...
written by Professor, November 01, 2006

So radical Islamic Muslim terrorist attack and destroy a few buildings, kill a few thousand in those buildings crash 4 plane loads of passengers. Lets see why should this cause the U.S. to invade Iraq and Afghanistan?? hummm

A Brazilian plane piloted by Americans crashes into a American plane full of Brazilians! hmmmm

The world has some strange going ons!

Countries that used to support the U.S. are not supporting the U.S. any more.
Muslim Radicals are slowly tearing apart these countries internally, France just naming one.

One would assume we have a Muslim terrorist problem?

The U.S. begins to fingerprint selected citizens entering the U.S. from different countries.

Brazil begins to finger print Americans entering Brazil.

Iran, Syria, Hamas, P.A. Hamas, Egypt etc. want to wipe Israel off the map and the U.S. for supporting Israel.

History has shown in uncertain times, that the JEWS are targeted as the troublemakers, such as it is again, now the U.S. too.

If for some reason the U.S. failed for any reason, the Economic impact would hit Brazil extremely hard. Those who choose to hate the U.S. deny that the U.S. has anything to do with Brazil. Their consciousness
has been burned from their own hatred, which affords them this denial.

Select Brazilians with hatred, invent conspiracy theories about the U.S. where in reality these people have never had a real connection
or experience that gives them right. Many others from different countries or even within the U.S. (Americans) have the same hatred.

Hating Jews or even now hating Americans does not really need an excuse, because it is just hate manifested. We can misplace our hate any way and on anyone without good cause.

Brazil's retaliating over the finger printing situation was more or less a retaliation for what reason? Somehow Brazilians think the U.S. Government is picking on them? why? In the U.S. they were focused
on the Terrorist threat, but In Brazil the Brazilians were fighting the Americans. Why?

Brazil and other S. American countries are directly and or indirectly supporting terrorism. Needed monies to support these activities come
from the black-market in Latin America. Brazil maintains an open border with Ciudad del este, Uruguay why is that? Venezuela has been reported to be aiding Terrorist organizations, especially with training on how to enter the U.S.

Some Brazilians find it amusing with the current situation with the midair crash in the Amazons, important factor 'Americans" were flying one of the planes.

Of course the loss of 4 planes, two buildings full of people etc. is not
as important right? Not even important enough to justify fighting terrorist on their own soil.

Americans are arrogant! Brazilians are arrogant too, and we could add allot of other countries to the list.

I think Brazilians preferred the lying, smooth talking, adulterous Bill Clinton, than the hard-ass right wing George Bush. Good old bill
represents the same attributes you can find in Latin American politicians, whereas Bush is the opposite.
In my opinion I do not like either of the two.

Bush is the face of America, another reason Americans seem so arrogant. The U.S. needs a President more like Lula right?
Then Brazilians would like the U.S.
Brazilians would love the U.S. if the U.S. dropped the visa requirement to enter the U.S.
Brazilians would like the U.S. if the U.S. became a 3rd world country too. Then we would not be so arrogant, we would be ignorant.

Funny thing how in Iraq they were fighting the Americans, then decided it was more important to fight each other. Perhaps if Brazilians did not have the U.S. to hate they could spend more time
fighting crime or poverty.

Let Me Take Care of the Above PECKER
written by Costinha, November 01, 2006

My Dear USANationOfImmigrants:

You said...

1.USA remains the No. 1 immigrant destination in the world........hmmmmmm.....I wonder why this is so, if the whole world hates us.

Easy to explain… It’s called $MULA$, a far cry from LOVE.


2.When you attack the USA, you attack the world. USA is comprised of all races, all nationalities and creeds.

Agreed. The 2nd statement makes part of the american character better known as arrogance.


3.Suppose, all your hatred for us comes true and Islamo-fascism or China becomes the dominant world power, let's see if you would be able to spew your hatred and freedom to speak against them, especially with a global Islamic conversion their goal. Oh, by the way, they love you femino-phobic flamers so much, they actually execute sodomites. bwahahahahaha!!!

Can’t wait for the day when all people of the earth realizes what SHINOLAS americans really are


..........and try not to masquerade behind different names on this blog.........we all know you are the same losers

I speak for myself…Now then, do us all a BIG favor and go float in your nearest sanitary vase!

Piece & Luv Muther!

A sincere hug for the available
written by miradora, November 02, 2006

David Lerer is a historic political and intellectual figure in Brazil. He was an active member of the left wing party, more exactly an icon of the democracy cause, during the dictarorship ( he exilated himself not to be killed...) and rest his case after redemocratization.

Decent people are again in the Braz congress despite the terrible ones. I personally like Arthur Virgilio, (responsible and intelligent guy), and Fernando Gabeira, Luisa Helena etc...

But, hey, here's a hug it's the seventh video at this address. Fernanda Abreu's video there too (Rio 40 graus)

http://coisasebobagens.blogspot.com/

Here we go again.
written by sertanejo, November 02, 2006

Once again this thread had degenerated into desperate name calling.

I can identify one difference between Brazil and the U.S. (among many differences, some good, some bad):

In the U.S., if you get caught in a corrupt act, you go to jail.
In Brazil if, you get caught in a corrupt act, you get re-elected.

Now please tell me what corruption has to do with the topic of this article...

Back on Track
written by Professor, November 02, 2006

What was the topic of the article?? Oh ya! It was about a little plane that brought down a big plane while the ATC watched it happen live on Radar and never told the big plane that a small plane was coming. no no no it was about:

According to David Lerer's article: After all, if a little plane like that can bring down a Boeing while only damaging its wing's tip and a small section of its tail, it's because it's very good

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written by Righto, November 02, 2006

Its so funny to read the americans post here. They really are nuts. They have started thinking several seperate guys here, are one and the same, and what not........hahaha typical american...whatever happens in the world...they think something or somebody is gonna hurt them..and one thing for sure..now they know how much the world hates them.....they cant beat the whole world...so they are targeting selected few weak targets...to grumble around...hehehe so funny....and so stupid.....hahaha....let a bigger enemy emerge..americans and muslims will act as long lost friends...tudo...f d p

Bloody Yankees
written by Gane, November 02, 2006

Sad, sad, sad... To all of you defending the U$ by saying that every other country sucks, let me break it to you: The U$ is NOT the best country in the whole entire Universe. The term "American" DOES NOT mean the citizen of the U$, but the citizen of any country in the Americas. :-

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written by Oscarandy, November 02, 2006

ANGLO-American imperialism ? Anglo ??? how did the UK /English get involved in this??
:-

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written by Righto, November 02, 2006

Bushy bush and Tiny Tony exchange wifes when they visit each others country. Thats how UK/English get involved. Now please dont ask me proof. Billy Bum could not do it, so he did it with someone else. Why do you think Condi is there, because she is safe from the hands of Bushy, due to her personal beauty.

North Americans, ..... start barking...sorry to interrupt your dog fight.

A Sad Day for Two Great Nations
written by DavidB, November 02, 2006

Both Brazil and the United States are great countries.
This aviation accident was a terrible tragedy.
As a US citizen, I believe the pilots of the US plane should have the passports held until a full investigation is completed. This would be considered normal and acceptable to both parties.
Should it be found that the American pilots were at fault, they should be tried in a court of law.
I wasn’t there, so I do not know the facts. What I do know is that this was a really sad event and I wish it had never happened. My heart goes out to the families who lost loved ones. My prayers go out to them as well. I am so sorry for their loss.
Whatever the US can do morally and financially to ease this situation should be done.
The United States and Brazil should remain good friends and work to assure that this type of accident risk is reduced in the future.
Again, God bless all of the people who have been affected by this tragedy.

sla
written by miradora, November 02, 2006

--"As a US citizen, I believe the pilots of the US plane should have the passports held until a full investigation is completed. This would be considered normal and acceptable to both parties."

I don't understand why it is not considered normal to some American citizens to prevent the pilots from leaving the country? Is there two justices, some people are more like the same than others I wonder..

--"Again, God bless all of the people who have been affected by this tragedy."

nice

oops
written by miradora, November 02, 2006

thank you in their name!!

a hug!

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written by Polo in USA, November 02, 2006

Well...appears Folha neswpaper got the jump on the idiot Brazo authorities.They have the news that will soon be released officially: Braz ATC was responsible for the crash by instructing pilots to the altitude where the crash occurred.
Awwww, s**t! No roast American churrasco. Como deseja a carne? Que legumes tem?

Now the monkeys continuing to post their diatribe here can go back to their mental/physical squalor and wallow in their socialist self-pity.
Cheers, you just got Lula for another 4,5,6...40 years(?) and together with Chavez, Lula can do the samba while your economy goes a la merda.

To David Lerer and his quasi manifesto: arrogant self-serving, hysterical, pseudo-journalistic sensationalist buffoon. You're a tool of your bloodthirsty masters.You're about 90 years late to the party.

I can think on many latin and African countries with much more class than what Brazil has shown during this whole lamentable episode.
Release the pilots, fix your own f**king problems and let us all get on with life.

u american dogs !
written by Righto, November 02, 2006

U cant pretend by posting some odd thoughts, and pretend that you are not dogs, but you are donkeys !

Re: u american dogs !
written by REDNECK, November 02, 2006

Re: U cant pretend by posting some odd thoughts, and pretend that you are not dogs, but you are donkeys !

Only the Democrats are donkeys We Republicans are elephants

Todays KINDERGARTEN lesson of politics is now complete. I hope it wasn't over your head!

Eating Crow
written by I Love Brazil, November 02, 2006

David Lerer,

Have you read all of the news articles today? Are you eating Crow yet? Anglo American Imperialism? I guess not this time.

I guess we now know who's really arrogant
written by kc, November 02, 2006

I have read attack after emotional unsound attack in these threads from pseudo nationalists that think all truth comes down to the arrogance of America. And while it may be true in many instances, truly today we can see clearly who the arrogant ones really are.
In the future before jumping to your slanted, hateful conclusions, realize that the people that were involved in this tragedy were all human beings not just Brazilians. Instead of trying to turn thier deaths into a platform for your