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This site is an arm of the US government! The arapongas CIA operatives pseudo diplomatic employees etc keep making up lies of this country so the vultures can make more money explore and oppress the miserables and the whole nation! You people dont play at work. God protect us. And that he can bless all of you so these hearts wont be so cold and dead!

Reliable sources say that what those reported 80 CIA operatives in the Amazon are after, is a secret recipe for farinha dágua (northern farinha). With so many Brazilian steakhouses opening in the states, and farinha so hard to find there, this has the ring of truth. Ask Chomsky.

- what a junkie and so idiot Igapo ! Curious that he is saying this site is an arm of the US government, while this site
published tens of articles accusing the US pilots and/or US equipment (then the site was not a US arm - smile). Hundreds and hundreds more articles have been published against the USA on this site in many subjects..... AND NOT PRO USA !!!!! Therefore having him think that this site is a US government arm.....is quite laughable !

But afterall Igapo represents the average brazilian, he has only half a brain not even well developed....in his arguments and analysis ! Therefore his arguments and accusation are only half surprising too !

- I am very happy that finally, I am not the NOT SO IDIOT AFTERALL to say and even accuse the Brazilian Authorities
to have voluntary accused the US pilots to divert the public attention of the HUGE SCAM THE GOVERNMENT WANTED ABSOLUTELY NOT TO DISCLOSE : The sad reality of the state of the Brazilian Air Safety !

And contrary to the article the real problem is not 2 months old but years old ! Tens of millions air passengers
HAVE BEEN IN A RELATIVE INSAFETY....FOR MANY YEARS !

And the lies, assurances and self-compliments that Brazilian Authorities had on their : world best ATCs qualifications,
world best equipment, latest and newest Air Safety technology, and Noooooo blindspots in the whole country.....were simply untrue and lies only, on purpose.
Reality being : shortage of ATCs, some inept ATCs, not so newest technology, lack of Air Towers numbers.....therefore blindspots, and the not revealed yet but obvious fact : budget austerity.....even in Air Security !

- To the defense of the Brazilian Medias, whenever they accused the US pilots, it was always based from the false informations . And since little was known, they just published what the Government, Military, ATCs, Brazilian pilots, told them. But the more and more contradictions and truth surfaced, they also published them !

Therefore the accomplices of the Brazilian government originally were the AirArmy, the ATCs and the Brazilian pilots !!!!!
Quite strange that right after the tragedy and for a while, not only the government Air Army brigadiers, but also the ATCs and even the Brazilian pilots !!!!!
How can ALL these people, ALL directly involved in their daily job in Air Security, have ALL hidden the facts they
ALL knew ??????
The President of a Brazilian Pilots Association even said "it is LOGICAL to SPECULATE" the US pilots are responsible.
Many ATCs also repeatedly accused the US pilots.

Therefore the sad truth is that ALL people involved in the Air Security, NOT ONLY THE BRAZILIAN GOVERNMENT .....LIED ON PURPOSE TO HIDE THE SAD STATE AND REALITY OF YOUR AIR SECURITY !

YESSSSSSS....the SCAM WAS and still is COUNTRY WIDE.....TO ACCUSE THE US PILOTS ! Even the victims families
continue to do so.....despite the many revelations, disclosures, testimonies....that demonstrate otherwise....thus far !!!

IF BRAZILIANS HATE AMERICA AND IF BRAZILIANS LOVE JUSTICE, THAT DOESNT ALLOW YOU TO ACCUSE THOSE YOU HATE....BY HIDING THE FACTS THAT ERRORS CAME FROM YOUR SIDE...NOT FROM THE SIDE YOU HATE !!!!!!!

Simple demonstration that Brazilians are crooks, liars, cheaters, criminals, against the truth, against the justice and are ready to continue their arrogance !

Facts and history is that you are still a medieval and archaïc country, and by continuing so, not only you will lose, but will remain a developing and not a developed country for the next 500 years !

Ohhhhh.....for your info.....I am not American, but a European citizen living in Europe.
Simply a citizen who doesnt like the Brazilian Injustice Way Of Life !

should read :
Tens of millions air passengers HAVE BEEN IN A RELATIVE UNSAFETY....FOR MANY YEARS !

- And who are your reliable sources of these 80 CIA operatives in Amazon ?
Your Defense Minister Pires, the one who says there is Nooooo blindspots in Brazil ? Good sources !
- Dont you think that Lula, Pires and all the Government will not necessarily accept 80 (you even know the exact numbers) CIA people in your country, if they knew they are there....without protesting vehemently OFFICIALLY AND PUBLICLY AND CREATING A DIPLOMATIC CRISIS ????? COME ON !
-Therefore why nothing has been published in the large Brazilian Medias.....YET, but only in your obscure readings ? No doubt they would all love to KNOW your Soooo reliable sources, so they could tell your story....IF TRUE ! laugh
- As to your farinha so hard to find there, it doesnt mean rare, but more expensive only ! Do you really believe that
the CIA would send 80 of their people to find out a recipe ??????? Would it not be 100 times cheaper and easier that they ASK AND PAY Brazilians Agronomists or nutrionists to discover that "special" recipe and then get enough farinha to be shipped to the USA !!!!!!

Robbie......you are a true junkie !!!!!!!!
By the way.....dont you know ...from your same reliable sources, that 2 millions Brazilians are secretly in the USA, to discover the recipe of........ the McDo Hamburger ? Ask to.....Pires, Amorim and Lula....they are aware !

Ohhh and from reliable sources there are also hundreds of thousands of Brazilian secretly in Europe, trying to discover the so hard to find here and expensive "truffe blanche" and the recipe of how to accomodate it in a Risotto !!!!!!!!

Robbie are you the brother of Igapo ????? Ohhhhh....now I undersetand ! smile

Brazilians read continuous articles in Carta Capital magazine during the last years affirming more than once that pseudo diplomatic employees who enter the country perform actually as CIA operatives, agents of the American Government. Obviously many know that but just to point it out over and over again!

As Alberto´s article outlines, the media were more than complacent in being spoon-fed lies and hogwash from the Government to cover their own asses, and ended up erroneously convicting the American pilots in the court of public opinion before any formal investigation was conducted.

Remember THIS IstoÉ cap?

http://www.terra.com.br/istoe/1929/fotos/capa_400.jpg

So, I wouldn’t start citing Carta Capital or any other National magazine’s interpretations of reality to prove a point on this board.

And one final point: if Carta Capital continuously prints stories such as the one you mentioned, and no other medium runs with it, shouldn’t that send up a little red flag? Try being a little more media literate and less tribalistic.

Gotcha....

Then we must assume that a boeing doesn't have a radar capable of detecting another plane coming in his direction? Is this the real thing?

A friend just told me that he was hearing to government radio show called 'Voz do Brasil' (in Brazil, every radio is obligated to concede one for that government program between 7pm and 8pm), that the government was advising passengers to prosecute the airline companies due to the delays. He also said that, just a few minutes ago, Tarso Genro, the spokesman of the brazilian government was accusing the airline companies for the problems the passengers were facing due to delays. Is that true? Did anyone else hear that radio program or watched to the news right now?

If that info is true, the government is simply being astoundingly cynical about it, and they sure take us all as fools. And I thought I've seen it all...

World best ATCs qualifications, world best equipment, latest and newest Air Safety technology ...

Brazilians are sometimes (often) so full of s**t. I keep hearing this in other areas as well, for instance the last one I heard was "we (Brazil) have the best banking system in the world". A good one. I didn't even try to comment this one.

The hard truth: most systems, subsystems and organizations in Brazil are s**tty, to a lesser or greater degree.

I kept wondering lately why is this, and the best answer I came up with so far, is simply that the Brazilians (well, 99% of them) are complete zero in planning. Most of them live 100% in the present, without worrying the slightest bit about what will happen in one month or one year or five year time. That's "too far in the future" for them, portanto siht happens all the time here (because risks aren't being managed).

Ha! Guess what! Take a look at this: http://g1.globo.com/Noticias/B...98,00.html

This government is a joke really. Well, Genro said in the last paragraph that they are not in a hurry to solve the problem... have they ever been in a hurry?

But that’s what the government has been doing all along Brazilian Ex-pat. First they tried to stick the accident to the American Pilots. Then, when it was suggested that the problem was with ATC (well before any controllers were interviewed), the government tried to stick the problem to the head of ATC and sacked his ass. NOW, with a complete and total meltdown in the making, instead of firing Pires (which O grande Ignorancia “Lula” should have done a month back) they are going to try and pin this on poor planning by the commercial companies.

Of course, no one is remembering that Varig basically went TITS UP last year and the only reason WE as travelers in Brazil didn’t feel the ripple effect was because a new and robust airline was doing REALLY well. GOL was a blessing for the government and needed NO government help. Now, GOL and TAM stocks are down by 20% because of this government led crisis, so if the Marxists “não fui eu” simpletons running Planalto want to spread the blame around and heap a large pile of dung on GOL, they may unwittingly kill off the only saving grace the airspace in this country has seen over the last 20 years.

I've always said they need to replace "Ordem e Progresso" on the brazilian flag with "Não fui Eu". It's a much more accurate and suitable motto for this country which HATES to assume responsibility for ANYTHING. It's never a brazilians fault....ever!

Hey, "me", everybody is full os sh**t! Everyone who is too nationalist says stupid things. This was the brazilian turn to look stupid. Sometimes the americans are the idiots, sometimes the french...

The families of the victims desperately want someone to blame, this is typical behavior to most people. The easiest target were the pilots. Of course that's a wrong thing to do, but angry people are never wise or fair. If that happened in the US with brazilian pilots the same would happen. It doesen't justify the brazilian mistakes and how this went all wrong from the begginig, but it is ridiculous to attribute it to a specific population.

The average everything is usually stupid. The average brazilian is stupid, the average american is stupid, the average japanese is stupid. Why? Because the "average" something is never a person. It's the actions os a large mass of people personalized in a virtual individual. Real individuals can be intelligent and have different perceptions, different talents. A large mass os people is often very stupid.

Now, about the pilots. It was absurd to keep them here so long. No excuse for that. But in the first days they really had to stay. That happens in almost every country, with few exceptions. If some foreigner is suspected of commiting a crime, he must be judged in the country the alleged crime happened. Because if he goes back to his country, he goes out of the jurisdiction where the crime was commited. Of course, the idea is that there must be substantial evidence that the person indeed commited a crime, the investigations shoud be brief. This delay had political reasons and it was wrong. But the government keeping their passaports in the first days after the tragedy was usual international procedure.

I wonder if those people from the government, and specially the idiots who come to this board, to cheat, lie and defend the undefendable (like the collectivist idiot, aka 'A brazilian', at this thread: http://www.brazzil.com/content/view/9746/78/) are helping to make the country more developed, or their lives better in some way. Those people simply look suicidal to me. I'm aware that there are many americans and europeans who behave like that, but in now way to the extent we see in Brazil. So, in order to show you that there are brazilians thinking differently, that there are brazilians who are not cheaters or liars, and that many of those brazilians actually live abroad, I post this message. I can understand any profiling against brazilians based on that, but please, don't be too harsh on that. There are very good brazilians, specially among those living abroad.

A brazilian living abroad and tired of the lies in his home country.

In another time, regarding people who left their native country for opprtunity elsewhere, it was said that "Those with any get-up-and-go.....Got up and went....." Expats generally have more insight than the group they left and also than the group they joined.

I get interested in this “first world” and “third world” stuff, because I can’t figure out which one we are. On April 8th 1991 in a signed letter on FAA stationary ATC Area Manager Arthur Benzle threatened ATC Tom Lusch with CFR 99.735-11(c) and Executive Order 11222. Today, the interpretation would be something like “shoot your mouth off and it’s waterboarding in Guantonimo for you". See, Tom ran two airplanes into the same place in the sky, like the Legacy 600 and the 737-800. He had a really good reason (one airplane was not on his scope). So Tom went looking into how that happened, and, all he wanted to do was tell people what he, an ATC and a pilot, figured out. http://home.columbus.rr.com/lusch/rtudslide00.html

So you are really hurt about reality? That there are people in brazil that aren't as loser as you? You have just spit a bunch of crap that were easily debunked, please eveyone check the Globalization thread and see this moron's lie.

Some gringos are trying to make this situation like "a crazy decision" but I need to tell you that judge decided they should stay in here for clarifications, not a mob of enfuriated brazilians. It was the law. Is it to hard to understand that?

So didn't you like the press accusing them? What about the NY journalist that is full of crap telling lies about Brazil since day 0 of this case. I'd dare to say that this whole comotion started by that moron dissing Brazil. Most of this population WILL NEVER set foot in an airplane, they don't have why to care about it. More people die in car accidents. The only reason for such publicity for this case was that NY moron. If it wasn't for him this would be quickly forgotten.

I don't see why gringos find so difficult to respect other countries laws. They did the right thing! If those pilots had left, do you know when they would come back? Never. And what the brazilian government would need to do? They would need to go through the bureaucracy of the US government, that in this case wouldn't have the hurry to send the pilots quickly.

But anyway, this site a perfect example of the worst in the gringoland.

It's never an american fault....ever!

Put those CIA spy devils in jail, where they belong.

A Brazilian

Can you please tell us which LAW was used to keep the pilots in Brazil without charges? I’ve asked around and no one seems to really know. Of course the journalists here don’t ask – they’re limited to those hard hitting questions like “how much does the suite in the Marriott cost and who is footing the bill?”

What we do know is that Judges in backwater Mato Grosso can implement just about anything they feel fit to, and, whenever the wish. Case in point: the finger printing of Americans 2 years ago. Again, it was a country bumpkin judge that thought, “hey let’s fudge dem damn Yankees” and a day later the PF was fumbling about looking for ink pads and digital cameras all across the country.

So, again – this LAW you talk about, where is it in the books?

And which New York Times journalist do you hate today? Sharkey, or are you still have puppies over Rother when he basically mirrored what the Brazilian tabloids were saying and wrote that Lula was a lush?

Can you please tell us which LAW was used to keep the pilots in Brazil without charges?

A judge decided it and for doing so he needs to base himself in the law. You should talk to a lawyer if you want a technical explanation.

This country is not ruled by some king whose word is the law, it doesn't matter how much power a judge or even a president might have there are limits they must operate in.

Of course the journalists here don’t ask – they’re limited to those hard hitting questions like “how much does the suite in the Marriott cost and who is footing the bill?”

Because everyone knows how suspects are treated. The americans received that good treatment because they were americans. If the pilots were mexicans or uruguayans you can be sure they wouldn't be so nice.

What we do know is that Judges in backwater Mato Grosso can implement just about anything they feel fit to, and, whenever the wish. Case in point: the finger printing of Americans 2 years ago.

Nothing more natural. This was based in the reciprocity principle. Brazilians go through worse in order to get a visa and then to get into the US.

Again, it was a country bumpkin judge that thought, “hey let’s fudge dem damn Yankees” and a day later the PF was fumbling about looking for ink pads and digital cameras all across the country.

There's no "bumpkin judge", the vast majority of brazilians supported this action, so much no one else wanted to intervene.

So, again – this LAW you talk about, where is it in the books?

Do you know the brazilian law? No. So why do you ask?

And which New York Times journalist do you hate today? Sharkey, or are you still have puppies over Rother when he basically mirrored what the Brazilian tabloids were saying and wrote that Lula was a lush?

That other case was ridiculous. Never in this country the drinking habits of the president were worthy of mentioning, that guy made it look like everyone was talking about it. The first time I ever heard of it was when I read an article of someone bashing that american idiot. Later the opposition used it for ridiculing the president, but that was only after they acted so hurt.

Sharkey is the perfect example of an american idiot. If you want to know why some people don't like americans then you should study this guy behavior. He did everything in the book for pissing every single brazilian off, even those that usually don't care about anything. He wrote articles and gave interviews protraying this country as if it were inhabitted by savages, as lawless, as if the pilots were in danger (funny, american troops are the ones that torture, kill, rape and tape it all), showed disdain for the victims relatives suffering, showed a complete disregard for the brazilian law, etc.

If Sharkey didn't have his head stuck in his ass this subject would have been forgotten quickly.

I mean, you american whining bitches… The problem is that most americans ate paint chips when they were a kids!

Was there anything wrong with the Gol 737-800? All equipment was compliant with the various TSOs (no). Was there anything wrong with the Gol pilots? They were obeying clearance, had not yet reached their clearance limit (no). Was there anything wrong with the Legacy 600? All equipment was compliant with the various TSOs (no). Was there anything wrong with the Legacy pilots? They were obeying clearance, had not yet reached their clearance limit (no). Was there anything wrong with the actions of the air traffic controllers? They did what was right if the display that they were looking at was correct (no), but maybe could have paid a little better attention so as to devine that the display was unreal (you decide). Was the display correct? It showed the Legacy “hot-dogging”, the FDR showed that the Legacy was not “hot-dogging” (no). Did the officials lie? The officials acted to prevent panic, followed by the likely shut down of the economy when most people and most cargo refuse to fly because of the now identified danger (you decide). Did the controllers misbehave by insisting on following international rules “to the letter”, once they discovered “Real Traffic, Unreal Displays” (hell no). Who writes and publishes and enforces the TSOs? FAA. Do they know that these contain errors? Yes, I made sure of that. Do they intend to correct them? Apparently, no, for the last 34 years. Why not? You know those American lawyers that are suing the Legacy owner and the Legacy pilots? What do you think that they would do? Should Joe Sharkey be punished? In America, it is customary to hang the bearer of bad news, especially if it is all true (you decide). Are Americans bad? No, just a little slow, and hobbled with an incompetent government (the FAA would be one example). Is there cheap reliable new technology to absolutely fix this that wouldn’t even cost the government any money? Yes, http://www.collisionavoidance.org

Keith, I have been reading your past few articles and find them very interesting to say the least. Extremely focused articles… with no bias nationalistic bulls**t and to the point.
It seams to me that you are truly concerned with the problem on a much broader level... but unlike many others in here, you also offers solutions. The feeling that one has is that you have a hell of a lot more to tell … and we should lesson.

Joe Sharkey's blog has been fantastic, and completely accurate. The 'law' used to steal the passports was an obscure 1973 terrorism law and Wonderful Waldir Perez' retarded statements about janquis doing 'capitalist stunt manuevers' (impossible at FL370) provided the evidence to confiscate the passports. Im sure their nationality had nothing whatsoever to do with it. They were put up in the JW Marriott because they needed security and a suite for 3 people to base a defense of this ridicuoous predicament. Included in this suite was an attorney, advisors from excelAire and a PR firm. And unfortunately, Excels insurance company had to foot the bill, and I hope they sue the hell out of the corrupt Brazilian government to recoup their losses in this pathetic mess. By the way, "A Brazilan", the US has the most professional military that has ever existed on the planet...torture, raping and killing? You should know all about that being from a South American nation recently led by a military dictatorship. Maybe they learned from your lovely police officers that murder the homeless street children in SP and RJ, who knows. Obviously we really dont care if Brazilians are pissed off by me or Joe Sharkey, the guy is RIGHT ON with the truth, oh and he was there, remember? Not you. And if Americans are xenophobic, THIS IS EXACTLY THE REASON WHY. We are finished with the international popularity contest that we have tried to run in for so long. How does it make you feel that you have set back aviation investigations worldwide for about 100 years? How does it make you feel that you cant even handle normal air traffic in your country? Does it concern you that the same people that caused this accident investigated it? Or that these same buffoons have embarassed Brazil to the entire world? I have the feeling that it doesnt. None of this will matter Saturday when we will warmly welcome these guys back home.

Buddy, your problem is you think the rest of the world is like brazil, a haven for criminals. Whenever someone commits a crime in another country and wants to flee justice, where does he go???

BRAZIL-ZIL-ZIL-ZIL!!!

Sorry to rain on your parade, but the LAST place on earth that a fugitive from another country wants to go, american or not, is the U.S.A. Because the FBI will escort his ass to said country to face the music. I know that's hard for you to grasp, seeing that all you have to do in brazil to avoid extradition is to get some brazilian chick pregnant.

And your ridiculous rant about this situation getting blown out of proportion by an american journalist??? LOL......não foi eu eh?? I would say it was more the absolute inability for many in the brazilian population, and the brazilian authorities, to remain objective, at least for a few 24 hours, wouldn't ya say?? Instead of jumping to conclusions with statements like, "If it was a brazilian who did this in in the U.S. he would be labeled a terrorist!!"

Get the f**k over your inferiority complex. Have you been to the U.S.? Besides places like framingham massachusetts or miami fla?? 99.9% of americans could give a rats ass what brazilians or the government of brazil does. I wish the same could be said for brazilians.

This country is not ruled by some king whose word is the law, it doesn't matter how much power a judge or even a president might have there are limits they must operate in.

How many decisions by judges have YOU seen in brazil in the last 10 years that had NO BASIS in the law whatsoever??? I've seen dozens, so don't make it appear that judges in brazil have some high ethical standard, they're just as corrupt as the rest of brazil.

The 'law' used to steal the passports was an obscure 1973 terrorism law...

Dura lex sed lex.

So you said it, it was the law. It doesn't matter if you dislike it, it was the law.

By the way, "A Brazilan", the US has the most professional military that has ever existed on the planet...torture, raping and killing?

So have you forgotten about the photos and videos os american torturing iraqis? And guantanamo? The US army is formed by sick people, who will do such barbarities and show it off on the internet.

Obviously we really dont care if Brazilians are pissed off by me or Joe Sharkey, the guy is RIGHT ON with the truth

What reasons do you have to think so besides beating on the chest and saying "he is right on the truth". The guy is clueless, his interviews and articles didn't reflect the situation around here.

Yet another example of clueless gringo. His memory is so faulty he doesn't even remember the Iraq torturers. That was the mask of the US has fallen.

Buddy, your problem is you think the rest of the world is like brazil, a haven for criminals.

This has nothing to do with the topic, but anyway so you think there's no corruption in the US? Think again.

I would say it was more the absolute inability for many in the brazilian population, and the brazilian authorities, to remain objective, at least for a few 24 hours, wouldn't ya say?? Instead of jumping to conclusions with statements like, "If it was a brazilian who did this in in the U.S. he would be labeled a terrorist!!"

The only problem was that Sharkey stupid monkey to make such a scene about the situation. More people die in car accidents, a plane accident, given that most of brazilian population will never use a plane, shouldn't cause such discussion.

Get the f**k over your inferiority complex

What inferiority complex? What the f**k are you talking about? Have you been drinking before posting in here? You post makes absolutely no sense.

What I said is that the american journalists are clueless, and they are, and this situation was brought to this because of them, and it was.

I've seen dozens, so don't make it appear that judges in brazil have some high ethical standard, they're just as corrupt as the rest of brazil.

You know absolutely nothing about it, you saying it because you are a xenophobe. Any intelligent person will see that assuming that all judges are corrupt and they work outside of the law is just an stupid people attempt to look like they know something.

Broad generalizations of things you don't know and will never know are demonstrations of intelligence?

How many decisions by judges have YOU seen in brazil in the last 10 years that had NO BASIS in the law whatsoever??? I've seen dozens, so don't make it appear that judges in brazil have some high ethical standard, they're just as corrupt as the rest of brazil

They operate in the boundaries of the law. If you are ignorant about it (the most likely situation) or just don't agree with it, it doesn't matter, it's the law and you cannot do anything about it.

Gringos, repeat it's the law a thousand times, until these simple words start making sense for you.

First, nice to have José Jimenez back after a long hiatus.

We know that there are obsolete and unenforced laws in the U.S. Many are local laws. What people who don´t live in Brazil do not realize is how laws are approached here in Brazil. Sometimes a law no longer exists, like the one giving special prisons for convicts with college degrees, but are still practiced.

On the flip side, many laws are routinely ignored until needed. I like cars. I have cars sitting around in two U.S. states. I have cars sitting around here at home, and a few blocks away, and in the interior. Someday I might need one, and will restore it and use it. If traffic and security become much worse, the Gama Goat is next. But probably not, lack of time.

Brazilians collect laws against the day when they might have to trot one out, dust it off, and start enforcing it. Capisce?

A judge decided it and for doing so he needs to base himself in the law. You should talk to a lawyer if you want a technical explanation.

So, in short, like I guessed, YOU don’t know. Nor do you care, as long as it locks up the Yankees. I kinda figured.

This country is not ruled by some king whose word is the law, it doesn't matter how much power a judge or even a president might have there are limits they must operate in.

Fernandinho Beira-Mar and Marcola may disagree with you.

Because everyone knows how suspects are treated. The americans received that good treatment because they were americans. If the pilots were mexicans or uruguayans you can be sure they wouldn't be so nice.

Nice straw man tactic. I’m sure if the pilots were from Mars, they would have been put up at the Copacabana Palace, too.

Nothing more natural. This was based in the reciprocity principle. Brazilians go through worse in order to get a visa and then to get into the US.

Fool, where are the lines JUST for Brazilians entering the US? I’m in and out quite a bit, and I only see lines for foreigners and US citizens. How does having a line JUST for Yanks in Brazil make it reciprocal? Sorry, but you when zero in on ONE nationality it is called DESCRIMINATION.

And you avoided the point. It was ONE LONE JUDGE from Mato Grosso that implemented the procedure; without talking with the PF and without entering into discussion with the tourism board (that’s why the Rio board fought it). It was ill thought out, blatantly anti-American (very childish) and the Federal Police were taken off guard and unprepared (hence delays for American tourists upwards of 10 hours). My point was and is that: foolish, over paid, simplistically minded judges from anywhere in this country can implement retarded procedures whenever they feel fit. Given the sluggish pace in which things work in this country, it can take MONTHS to overturn a decision that runs contrary to the statutes of the Constitution, as we have all witnessed recently.

There's no "bumpkin judge", the vast majority of Brazilians supported this action, so much no one else wanted to intervene.

Many intervened, including Rio’s mayor at the time and the Rio Turism board (do you live in a vacuum?), and contrary to what you believe, legal systems aren’t based on popularity contests, they are, at the federal level, based firmly on the statutes of your constitution (which in Brazil has mutated more times than bacteria in a petri-dish). But nice dodge and weave tactic.

So, since you seem to think that “the law is the law” and that is that, what do you reckon about the poor young Paulista being sent to prison for 4 years for stealing a package of butter? Read this and then come back to us with your “the law is the law” bulls**t.

http://oglobo.globo.com/sp/mat/2006/12/07/286954034.asp

Also, read the comments left by Brazilians – if you think gringos complain too much about Brazil, Globo´s blog should be a real eye-opener for you.

Do you know the brazilian law? No. So why do you ask?

It’s called questioning, João Feijão. Intelligent people usually query and challenge ideas to improve their base of information. Improving one’s base of information allows them to make more informed decisions in life. Sadly for you, you seem to think that ignorance is bliss, and that whatever the “Grande Ignoramus” and his “merry band of thieves” tell you is the gospel. We can conclude from this that not only are you are a fool, but an ignorant one at that.

Never in this country the drinking habits of the president were worthy of mentioning

Jesus, you do live a sheltered life! Lula’s drinking habits were a part of the weekly’s coverage of the “Grande ignoramus” months before the NYT’s journalist picked up on the idea. Rother´s article was based on what he was reading in the national press. The article even quoted, repeatedly, other Brazilian publications. Pick up a newspaper or magazine once and a while.

It is interesting that in a country of over 190 million people, Brazil’s biggest weekly magazine (Veja) only has 1 million readers. People like “a Brazilian” prefer dark caves.

If Sharkey didn't have his head stuck in his ass this subject would have been forgotten quickly.

That’s right, the Pilots are in prison and air traffic control in Brazil is in “meltdown mode” because a writer from the New York Times (who was also on the plane I might add) wrote an article exposing how ridiculous the Government's claims were against the pilots. You are beyond reproach . In a country so rich in sun, I’m always amazed at how many here prefer the dark.

Hey idiot 'A Brazilian'.....if the antiterrorism law that confiscated their passports was still a valid 'law' as you claim....why did your own judges (three to zero) claim that it was illegal to take their passports after the habeas corpus petition. Hmm, seems your own people contradict what you've said right here, wouldnt you say? Apparently it WASNT the law, but it only took 65 days of corruption, stupidity and cowardice to come to that conclusion. Tell me why the Air Traffic Controllers havent been barred from leaving the counrty? Why dont we know thier names, residences, parents residences, spouses and childrens names, favorite colors, foods, etc? I went down there and although I met some wonderful Brazilians, and I enjoyed watching the sewage pour into the ocean, your 'nation' is expert at one thing exclusively...I think they call it soccer? Maybe youre good at bananas too, Im not sure, but stick to little girls kicking each other in the shins and girl-slapping each other OK. You are officially out of the aircraft invesigation business for eternity and I dont think any nation will be sending ATC controllers to Cindacta-1 for training anytime soon. Did you read in the news today where US Marines saved a tiny Iraqi baby? I imagine they saved the child so they could later rape and murder him according to incompetant morons like you. No offense....

Also, read the comments left by Brazilians – if you think gringos complain too much about Brazil, Globo´s blog should be a real eye-opener for you.

That's something important you pointed out. It's important that the world knows that not all brazilians are liars and cheaters like our friend 'A brazilian'. There are intelligent people who know that hiding skeletons on the cupboard won't help us in any way. Not that many, but they exist. Specially among the middle class and the South, where Lula didn't win.

That's something important you pointed out. It's important that the world knows that not all brazilians are liars and cheaters like our friend 'A brazilian'.

Brazilian Ex Pat, I think the world DOES know this quite well, and anyone who has spent any considerable amount of time in Brazil knows for certain. There are stellar individuals here, who are equally frustrated with the national state of affairs. Regretfully, many are now choosing to express their indignation with the country by simply leaving. Brazil lost over 150,000 Phds over the course of the last 5 years. Brazil’s loss is another country’s gain.

The frustration I have (shared by many I would assume) is that the potential of this nation and some of the bright minds here is so mind-boggling enormous that you just want to scream and bitch-slap the knuckle draggers (like “a Brazilian”) who ruin it for everyone else and refuse to wake up and see that the world is passing them by. NIce to see you on this board.

Um bom fim de semana pra vc. Fui!

So, in short, like I guessed, YOU don’t know. Nor do you care, as long as it locks up the Yankees. I kinda figured.

Fernandinho Beira-Mar and Marcola may disagree with you.

Nice straw man tactic. I’m sure if the pilots were from Mars, they would have been put up at the Copacabana Palace, too.

Hahahaha. Behold! He doesn't know any better! So now he dodges the facts with generalities "look if it was this, it would be that.... once upon a time that happened...". What does it have to do with what we are discussing?

Please everyone, read this guy's post and think, what he is talking about? What connection does it have with it? What relationship of cause and effect does it have?

Many intervened, including Rio’s mayor at the time and the Rio Turism board (do you live in a vacuum?), ...

Yes I remember, some complained but that was very different from "everyone". The people from the tourism industry mostly. Well, they are used to show bundas in advertisements and portray brazilian women as sluts for attracting foreigner losers, so that might hurt their biz. There's a logic in that.

Also, read the comments left by Brazilians – if you think gringos complain too much about Brazil, Globo´s blog should be a real eye-opener for you.

Brazilians are too self critic, using this a evidence of anything is just dishonest. Brazilians will always think the government is wrong, no matter what, they will always think they are "being robbed" somehow, they will always blame figures of authority for everything. That's a natural instinct, maybe created during the dictatorship. Some sort of inferiority complex, where everything that is brazilian will automatically be considered bad.

That's much different from the US where the people support a butcher for a president, and send their own children to die for someone else's money.

When people talk that Brazil need nationalism like in the US they mean the case where people believe in their governments, even when they are blatantly lying.

It’s called questioning, João Feijão. Intelligent people usually query and challenge ideas to improve their base ...

No, you know nothing about the law. I proved you judges must operate within the boundaries of the law. You just refused it and asked a silly question to make it look like you know something more than me. You know nothing, and apparently is not good in logic also.

That’s right, the Pilots are in prison and air traffic control in Brazil is in “meltdown mode” because a writer from the New York Times (who was also on the plane I might add) wrote an article exposing how ridiculous the Government's claims were against the pilots.

You are out of your mind. I never said that. What I said is that thank to that idiot this case generated so much controversy. If things had followed their way, the law had worked as it should there wouldn't that much interest.

Conclusion

- I showed through logical statements that judges operate only within what the law prescribes, and therefore the pilots stayed because of the law;
- I showed you that xenophobe journalists only worsened the situation, making the population to want the pilot's heads;

if the antiterrorism law that confiscated their passports was still a valid 'law' as you claim....why did your own judges (three to zero) claim that it was illegal to take their passports after the habeas corpus petition. Hmm, seems your own people contradict what you've said right here, wouldnt you say?

The fact there's one law doesn't mean that all judges think exactly the same. I won't go further with this, you are not a child anymore and I think you should be able to comprehend that different people might interpret things differently.

youre good at bananas too, ...

This is getting ridiculous, these gringos gave up pretending that they actually think and now are just calling other names. This is sad.

Did you read in the news today where US Marines saved a tiny Iraqi baby? I imagine they saved the child so they could later rape and murder him according to incompetant morons like you

So how's that math going? Will that make up for the thousands they killed? Will that erase the torture pictures from everyone's minds?

Too late, the world has seen what the US army is doing. You have no shame.

Tell us, what do you think of those pictures that leaked of US army people torturing Iraqis? Are "incompetent morons" lying about that too? Were those pictures created on photoshop or something? Will you deny that?

The frustration I have (shared by many I would assume) is that the potential of this nation and some of the bright minds here is so mind-boggling enormous that you just want to scream and bitch-slap the knuckle draggers (like “a Brazilian”) who ruin it for everyone else and refuse to wake up and see that the world is passing them by.

What do you mean? How this is related to the pilots arrested topic?

I am becoming concerned. Is justice in Brazil a function of nationality? Would I, as an American citizen, be risking my life if I were to come to your country by invitation to help your government find and correct the radar and communications systems failures that were the direct proximate cause of the collision between the Legacy 600 and the Boeing 737-800? Because my government is stupid (an error in the FAA Technical Standards Order, which your government certified by installation, is the proximate cause of the midair), would you take that out on me if I came there? Because my government is operating illegally (taking both its own citizens and foreign nationals off shore to torture them in violation of its own federal Constitution), does that make you want to emulate my government and do that to me, just because I come there to help you solve your own problem; or are you better than that? Do we all stoop to the lowest common standard (like the American public educational system), or do we aspire to be better than that, to elevate ourselves and the whole world society? You’ll have to excuse me, but you have posed a serious question to me, which is likely to affect me directly; and you haven’t provided the five answers from which I should choose one, like an exam in one of our public school classrooms. As a commercial pilot, been there, done that, wonderment that I am still alive, I know that above 18000 feet (FL180 if you reset to 29.92) in new airplanes (these were both new airplanes), pilots are systems monitors. They are told over a two way radio how to set knobs. Until after the crash, when those automatic systems no longer functioned, they didn’t touch the controls without setting off a whole bunch of “whoop whoop” audio alarms. Starting immediately AFTER the collision is the only time that they have probably directly controlled the airframe and made any decision on their own. These were pretty good pilots (they could still fly), and pretty lucky pilots (there was still enough of the plane left to be controllable). And it wasn’t easy or a fun ride, as these two people struggled to save all lives aboard, likely with yoke and peddle forces in excess of 200 pounds required. Is that, in any way, a crime?

Hahahaha. Behold! He doesn't know any better! So now he dodges the facts with generalities "look if it was this, it would be that.... once upon a time that happened...". What does it have to do with what we are discussing?

Since you obviously have no grasp on the concept of sarcasm, I knew the reference to an augmentative fallacy (straw man attack) would sore so high above you head, your precious air traffic controllers would need to track it by radar and report back to you (if of course they’re not sabotaging equipment while throwing hissy-fits like kindergarten children). You’re simply out of your league. A point many have made.

While we’re at it, we can also call you a hypocrite. You’ve chastised a number of bloggers here for straying from the subject at hand, yet, seem fit to throw in subjects such as Iraq and Guantanamo with ease. The typical Latin American Idiot approach to just about everything. You and yours are a pathetic political breed.

I neatly wrote and referred to facts with which you disregarded and responded with hyperbole and typical apocryphal hysteria. You’re a class act! (Please refer to my first paragraph before taking this as a compliment)

You are out of your mind. I never said that. What I said is that thank to that idiot this case generated so much controversy.

The case was controversial the second it was reported by the Brazilian press that Americans were involved in an accident and there were Brazilian fatalities. Anyone with an iota of understanding about “Bananalandia” knew this story would burn through the media and across the country like a tire-fire. And it did. Sharkey did little to fan the flames, other than state the truth and the blatantly obvious, something the Brazilian media was slow to pick up on. (I imagine JS is gong to have one helluva interesting book in the future).

- I showed through logical statements that judges operate only within what the law prescribes, and therefore the pilots stayed because of the law;

You showed nothing of the sort. You’ve only proven yourself to be illiterate, not very bright and very thin-skinned, while also demonstrating a thorough lack of knowledge regarding your country’s national affairs and legal system. Screaming "the law is the law" (use Sylvester Stallon acccent for added comic relief) proves SQUAT.

You do know that your head can be used for other purposes and not just for hitting soccer balls, EH?

The case was controversial the second it was reported by the Brazilian press that Americans were involved in an accident and there were Brazilian fatalities

It was controversial because of the american idiots making claims about things they don't know. Your remarks about Brazil, brazilian law, etc are false. You don't know anything, just assumes everything because you are a xenophobe, i.e., a typical american.

did little to fan the flames, other than state the truth and the blatantly obvious, something the Brazilian media was slow to pick up on

To pick what on? That the pilots "were in danger"? Danger of what? There are no US troops in here, why they would be in danger?

You showed nothing of the sort...

This is not funny and this really get boring. If the pilots had their passports taken and it was a judge that proceeded with this, then the only conclusion left is that it is the law. This is simple logic!!

They weren't attacked by a mob, nor by the media, nor by anyone else, it was a the law. Do you respect other countries laws?

Your comments regarding brazilian law only shows what everyone knows already, that americans xebophobes respect nothing and nobody. Your name calling only shows what an intellectual midget you are.

Well I think I am done here, I just wanted to clear some things up

Jeane Kirkpartrick died today at age 80. A Marxist in her younger years, she grew into a very wise woman, knowing both sides for what they were. A sample from one of her speaches:

They said that saving Grenada from terror and totalitarianism was the wrong thing to do - they didn't blame Cuba or the communists for threatening American students and murdering Grenadians - they blamed the United States instead.

But then, somehow, they always blame America first.

When our Marines, sent to Lebanon on a multinational peacekeeping mission with the consent of the United States Congress, were murdered in their sleep, the "blame America first crowd" didn't blame the terrorists who murdered the Marines, they blamed the United States.

But then, they always blame America first.

When the Soviet Union walked out of arms control negotiations, and refused even to discuss the issues, the San Francisco Democrats didn't blame Soviet intransigence. They blamed the United States.

But then, they always blame America first.

When Marxist dictators shoot their way to power in Central America, the San Francisco Democrats don't blame the guerrillas and their Soviet allies, they blame United States policies of 100 years ago.

But then, they always blame America first.

The American people know better.

Jeane Kirkpartrick died today at age 80. A Marxist in her younger years, she grew into a very wise woman, knowing both sides for what they were. A sample from one of her speaches:

Yes, they saw the pictures of tortured prisoners confirming what other people had denounced already, they blamed America first...

Really, how can you deny a fact? It's there, for anyone to see!! It's not a question of "what if" it actually happened.

Hi A Brazilian.
The poster who wrote this comment :

The frustration I have (shared by many I would assume) is that the potential of this nation and some of the bright minds here is so mind-boggling enormous that you just want to scream and bitch-slap the knuckle draggers (like “a Brazilian”) who ruin it for everyone else and refuse to wake up and see that the world is passing them by. NIce to see you on this board.

Um bom fim de semana pra vc. Fui!

Is not the Brazilian Ex Pat. The poster who wrote this comment is Gringo.
He was refering to Brazilian Ex Pat and not you.

His comment does not relate to the topic, but when do we stick to the topic in this forum anyway? It would be nice if we could just focus on the topics, instead of blaming and attacking one another. We could also present solutions. Well, this is wishfull thinking.

I think I understood what Gringo meant. If you read it again, you will see that he in fact wishes Brazil prosperity. I don't want to go too far by saying that he actually loves Brazil.

I could use a methaphor to examplain that. It is like when you love someone, you want to help someone, but the person refuses. And Instead makes everything it can to hurt you. As a result you end up being sad and deceived. This is more common than you think.

This is what "Brazil" does to me, and for some people I know. I remember my sociology teacher asking me about an article that he read. It was about some children that lived in the streats and got killed by the police. I saw that he meant it. He asked me what could be done, in order to help (he is part of a non-profit organization) and the reasons for such things. Instead of answering " Oh no!! But this happens in the U.S. too" I said that I was aware of it and that it was a complex social problem in Brazil (and I tryed my best to explain him what I think it was.) I told him that the solution would be EDUCATION.

There is a song that says, "Love Hurts" (Nazareth.) I like to say, "Brazil Hurts."
Brazil hurts because there is this idealization that Brazil is a bucolic joyous place. The foreigner goes to Brazil in search of that. Some find, others don't. Some find the opposite like the U.S. pilots (they went there to work.)

So A Brazilian don't take it personally when you read any foreigner comment regarding Brazil. Often times they may be bitter, but is because they see things from a different perspective than us (of course they are from a different culture.) The bottom line is they love Brazil at some extent. And maybe they just have a HURTED LOVE FOR US!!!

I think he and others got upset by the way the American pilots were treated. It does not matter they stayed in a five start hotel. We are talking about dignity. They were accused of being reckless and therefore, causing the accident. In my opinion, the brazilian authorities misstreated emotionally the family members and the pilots.

I think Robbie has the correct idea. The Cia is trying to take over the Amazon for Churrascos in the US. When i was in Houston just before this unfortunate disaster i saw a Hallibuton plane taking off for the Amazon. I am sure there were CIA men on board. It is obvious that the pilots on the Legacy are CIA and intentionally knocked down the Boeing because it was flying over the site at which Aliens & the CIA are using genetically modified food to grow cattle.

Thanks, wasn´t my idea tho, I got it from Eddie Lascar.

To Adrianaa, right on!

To F Brazilian,

"For my friends, anything; for my enemies, the law."
-- Lula

why are americans in this if you don't like BRASIL in the first place???????????????????????????????// so envious, jealous of our BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUTiful country!!!!!
Go F yourselves, and go learn some Portuguese so i don't have to write in YOUR language so you retard can read it!!!!!

I like the way Brasilian women suck my dick. Makes me feel pretty good. I like coming here, just for sex, as the stupid bitches are just whores, like the rest of the corrupt country. All anyone has to do is to watch the way the bitches dress. Nice tits and asses, and they love to show them off. amazing. One can go around the world most places for less than a Mikkie D's Happy Meal. The rest of the country,and the people in it, bite. The worst part of the trip, is the goddam flight there. Too long, with no female companionship. But, the flight attendents are usually very ready to suck on their time off. They cost a bit more than the Sao Paulo street bitches-- about 20R. Might have to buy them a burger as well. no biggie either way.
The only thing Brasilians are good for, are cheap shoes, lace, and crafty items made by the n****rs there. You do not like Americans? Who cares? We don't.
NEVER, have I seen so many people, act so stupid, so much of the time. Actually, I do not think it is much of an act. All Brasilians are , are sons of Nazis anyway.

This is your typical American men, all they get in Brazil is money and paid sex and of course the favours of the ignorant natives that dont how they are truely despised by them .These americans are so miserable in their home countries that they need to go some foreign land to feel as kings of the whores! Nothing much to add culturally, humanly. Only their distorded views, consumerism and cheap culture! It is what internet allow to happen, know people's true colors without any artificial treatment! Lets hope that at their Brazilian homes these people show their beautiful American side... their double standard ethics is advantageous at this moment, as everything has to be to Americans! I just feel unhappy with these people.

Ugly-American: Why don't you drill a large hole into the side of your head? That way when people call you a dumbass, you will actually have an excuse.

hehehe

Quote; "Reliable sources say that what those reported 80 CIA operatives in the Amazon are after, is a secret recipe for farinha dágua (northern farinha). With so many Brazilian steakhouses opening in the states, and farinha so hard to find there, this has the ring of truth. Ask Chomsky"

Quote: "So, I wouldn’t start citing Carta Capital or any other National magazine’s interpretations of reality to prove a point on this board.

And one final point: if Carta Capital continuously prints stories such as the one you mentioned, and no other medium runs with it, shouldn’t that send up a little red flag? Try being a little more media literate and less tribalistic."

Let’s all think that América does not have the greatest military force, intelligence departments and spying activity in the whole world. So no, America do not put their nose and mercenary employees all over the world considering their imperialistic interests, yes who say that are all dumb people, the village idiots.

I should not trust Brazilian journalists but the American ones, from NYT for example or Fox? Or I should trust you, simple as that? This is too much American culture for me, no thanks!

Two different flight plans and all is fine. Then one aircraft crew screw it up because they don’t know the international aviation rules. These pilots and this airplane company do not take A-N-Y responsibility regarding this accident; they simply depend on the air controllers to make their entire job as convenient as it is. And the patriotic Americans in Brazil feel their own dignity hurt. It is visible that nothing will teach most Americans they are at the bottom just like Bush.

I Brazilians judges apply the Brazilians laws not their own, how can a judge put a 19 year old girl for 4 years in jail....because she has stolen a tibe of....butter ??????? And not put in jail...the corrupted politicians who each steal
millions every year !!!!! I know, I know, corrupted brazilian politicians are absolved in secret votes...by their own peers....as much corrupted and robbing as much as those they absolved ! But forgiving someone who stole a tube of butter worth 3.20 Reais..........NOOOOOOOOO WAY !
And when it pleases the Brazilian (IN)Justice...they delay the trials on many crimes for as long as 19 years, and then innocenting.....the criminals !!!!

Truly a f**king (IN)Justice !!!!!!!

Concerning the plane crash, as I said many times, the problem is in fact the huge SCAM that brazilians government and judiciary members used to hide through lies the sad reality that was already in existence well before the tragedy. Tens of millions of passengers were in fact not as safe for years.....as the government assured them and the world Air Authorities !!!!!
The world medias took a low key approach and have never taken side, to protect the US pilots you took as hostages.
But now that they have finally been able to leave your country, the world medias will start to write what they really think and will ridicule ALL Brazilians authorities !!!!!

Looks like I was not so wrong, it just already started in Newsweek World News.......

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16116162/site/newsweek/

Thunderstorms will be all over Brazil.....as I said !

Shame to Brazilians Authorities and Agencies involved directly or indirectly in the plane crash and Air Security !!!!!!!

Fun your lack of arguments !
To my knowledge but looks like not to yours....there are 2 millions illegal Brazilians in the USA alone, but not
2 millions Americans, even legally, in Brazil ! Why should they go to Brazil ? So many better places...elsewhere !

Stupid question to you 2 : why these 2 millions Brazilians dont go to a friendlier country....such as Venezuela, Argentina, Peru, China, Nicaragua, Syria or Iran, or even to Angola and Mozambique...they speak portuguese there ?????? laugh laugh laugh

You would be so much happier elsewhere and Americans too...without you !!!!!

Ohhhh and please be kind enough....to not replace America by Europe ! We are not any better than Americans !

Hi Ugly America.
I think you should apologize. Only if you ask. Unless you want to be UGLY for the rest of your life.

Thank God the Americans I know are superb marvellous people. WELL, LIKE ATTRACTS LIKE.

This magazine should have some "filters," and not allow this kind of offensive comments to be posted. But let me tell you something.
I was just talking with my best American friend last wek about that. I told her about this steriotype towards Brazilian Woman. And she said not to worry because whenever she travels outside the country, men think she is an easy woman. And we agreed that this is their way of coping with their sexual emotional limitations.

But you know what UGLY I really think you are a repressed guy.
You envy the fact that WE Brazilian Woman are confortable with our sensuality and sexuality.
What is the problem if brasilian woman likes sex? What is the crime?
Well, unless you are narrow minded.
If a woman is confortable with her sensuality and sexuality it means that she is a health person. It means that "generally" this woman knows how to deal with emotions.
Do you know that 2 million EIGHT YEAR OLD GIRLS fall victim to genital mutilation every year? Most circumcised women live in 28 African Countries, as well Asia and Middle East ( Unicef) And these African Coutries are Muslim (in general.)

Do you see what MEN in general do with eight year old girsl and women around the world? Although the circumcision is allowed by the girls' mother and grandmother, it is the men in those societies that legitimate this barbaric ritual. Because they want to prevent sexual desire in girls, and these girls will not be suited for a decent marriage, if they are not circumcised.

UGLY, DO YOU KNOW THE MAIN PURPOSE OF THAT? Is because men like you are scared of women sensuality and sexuality. You don't know how to deal, to handle, and manage it. Instead you prefer to call them whores.

Have a nice day!!!!!!!!

Do you think you are having fun with Brazilian Woman????

NOOOOO!!!!

They are the ones who are having fun with you. They are ANTHROPOLOGISTS, they like to do FIELD WORK, get to know different CULTURES.

Have a nice day!!!!!!

I got information from Spiegel Online
http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,452790,00.html

cala a boca fake . blond moment!

Hi Ch.c.
What about it???
What about the article you wanted us to look at it??
I subscribe to: Veja, Newsweek, Der Spiegel, The Economist,The New York Times, The Guardian....and I did not read the things you said yet. ( what I read is that the British police that killed the Brazilian last year in London will not be criminaly charged.)

I read the Newsweek site you mentioned. What they wrote is basically what we have been talking about. The case was not proper handled by the Brazilian authorities. As much as you want to believe, I don't think the average brazilian did want this to happen. The Brazilian authorities, and the midia lied to them.

I still think the family members of the victims, and the pilots needs an official apology from the goverment.
Well, this is not going to happen, but it would be nice if was.

It is said, but sometimes I have the impression you want to see Brazil collapse.
Whatever happened to you to make you feel that way, just get it over. Resentment is not good for your heart.

Good luck!!!

To Adrianaa troll

what is your opinion of the Americans who show up in this site? Are they marvellous American as you your marvellous (laugh) American best friend?

Gotcha!