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Things Couldn't Get Worse to Brazilians Seeking US Visa. Still They Did PDF Print E-mail
Written by Clara Angelica Porto   
Wednesday, 21 February 2007 12:24

US Ambassador to Brazil, Clifford SobelA Brazilian journalist said recently that if the businesses of the Ambassador to the US in Brazil, Clifford Sobel, had the performance of his consulates, he would have never left the list of anonymous entrepreneurs of New Jersey. That is a pretty hard statement.

Why would someone say such a thing about an Ambassador, who by the way is not a diplomat and was nominated to the important office because he is a close friend of President Bush, and also an important fundraiser?

The statement did not come out of the blue. Mr. Clifford Sobel arrived in Brazil last August, as the new Ambassador of the United States in the country. When he came, Brazilians had problems already trying to get visas to come to the US.

With a more stable economy, and the devaluation of the dollar, there was more money available and Brazilians are known to be attracted by all the wonderful places and things the US has to offer for tourists coming from all over the world; and Brazilians have been coming to this country as tourists for a long time.

There was a time, back in the 1990s, when Brazilian tourists lost in number only to the Japanese in places like New York, Orlando and Las Vegas. It was common then to walk into stores in Manhattan with signs that read "WE SPEAK PORTUGUESE," a language that in all of Latin America is only spoken by Brazilians.

There was no problem then to get a visa to come to the US, one could do it usually through a travel agency, and it was a matter of filling out the paper work, making copies of documents and travel tickets and the passport would return with a visa that was good for 10 years in most cases.

Occasionally someone would be asked for an interview, but that could be easily done at the Consulate in Rio, on the way to the airport. Simple and practical, as it should be, and as it is, as a matter of fact with most countries, in most consulates.

Then things changed. Interviews were required more and more often, and visas started being denied. Because of the increase in the number of Brazilian immigrants in the US, the Consulates started applying more rules and making it more difficult for a Brazilian to get a tourist visa.

It is understandable that the American consulates nowadays should have tighter rules, that they should be more careful and develop new criteria to give visas for foreigners to come to the US.

After all, much has changed, there was a World Trade Center attack, there is Osama Bin Laden out there somewhere in Afghanistan and there is a war in Iraq against, well, this part is not very clear.

But why should things be so hard for Brazilians? Why is it that only very wealthy Brazilians find no problem in coming to the US and everyone else, even people with good jobs, a home and family of their own, cannot get a visa and get no explanation?

When Clifford Sobel arrived in Brazil in August, the American Consulate in Rio imposed 49 days in a waiting list to Brazilians who were requesting a tourist visa to the US. It was pretty bad, but the arrival of a new Ambassador, who had charmed the press with good remarks about his new job and the country, threw new hope in the air.

It was only natural, because no one thought things could get any worse. And usually, when things cannot get worse, they get better. This was not the case. Since Sobel took office at the American Embassy in Brasilia, the wait for a visa at the Consulate in Rio moved from 49 to 72 days.

In São Paulo, the picture is not very different, only a little worse. After Sobel, the waiting went to 86 days, as opposed to the 73 days before he took office. In Brasília, at the Embassy where Clifford Sobel works, things are not any better, Brazilians used to wait 32 days and now they wait at least 49.

Why is it so hard for Brazilians to come to the US these days? Is it because they are afraid of illegal immigrants? Maybe, but why in Paraguay things are different? It takes only two days for a Paraguayan to get a tourist visa to the US, at the American Embassy. This is the way it should be.

What is wrong, Mr. Sobel? Why did things get worse after your arrival as the American representative in Brazil? Why the unfriendliness? With all due respect, why is it that the world's most powerful country cannot show more respect for the South American giant?

Let Brazilians come to New York, bring their children to Disney World, throw their money in Vegas if they so choose, give standing ovations during Broadway shows, shop in Manhattan, and try the English they have been struggling to learn in expensive language schools. Brazilians deserve a break and the US should welcome all the money that they are willing to spend here.

No wonder the Brazilian press has been criticizing Mr. Sobel. Despite all the admiration for the culture he has been showing lately, particularly the enchantment with the Rio de Janeiro Carnaval scene.

Clara Angelica Porto is a Brazilian bilingual journalist living in New York.  She went to school in Brazil and at the University of Wisconsin in Madison.  Clara is presently working as the English writer for The Brasilians, a monthly newspaper in Manhattan.  Comments welcome at This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it .

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written by bo, February 21, 2007
With a more stable economy, and the devaluation of the dollar, there was more money available and Brazilians are known to be attracted by all the wonderful places and things the US has to offer for tourists coming from all over the world; and Brazilians have been coming to this country as tourists for a long time.



that's horses**t, we've been seeing for quite a number of years now the "anti-american" sentiments that exist all throughout brazil. Not to mention that brazilians are now the NUMBER 1 peoples classified as OTM ( other than mexicans) streaming illegally through our borders!
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written by bo, February 21, 2007
Why is it so hard for Brazilians to come to the US these days? Is it because they are afraid of illegal immigrants? Maybe, but why in Paraguay things are different? It takes only two days for a Paraguayan to get a tourist visa to the US, at the American Embassy. This is the way it should be.



Well maybe it's because we don't have well over a million ILLEGAL paraguayans Clara...ever think of that???

Maybe the "delay" in brazilian visas is due to the fact that BRAZIL is the #1 producer of FALSE documents in the WORLD!!!

Also to the fact that there is a little area down close to "fog de iguaçu" where there is the LARGEST population of muslims outside of the middle-east, and they do everything from money laundering, black market falsifications, drugs, etc, that sponsor TWO well known middle eastern TERRORISM groups, HEZBOLLAH AND HAMAS!!!!
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written by bo, February 21, 2007
"foz de iguaçu"
WINGIN
written by forrest allen brown, February 21, 2007
I have been married to a brasilian woman for over 3 years and she is still trying to get a visa to come to the U.S.

i live in brasil with my wife , but dont make enough money to pass the suport her if we stay in the us , so the U.S wants me to leave her and come up and work 3 years and pay taxes .
of over 15.000 us a year than she can get a visa YEA RIGHT

and here is another one if you go to work in the good old USA , and your wife is not living in the states , on your w4 form you will notice you have to claim single statis and get on decudtions for her or him.

but if you bring them over with out papers you can file and pay the fine .

the US is going 3 world
every one that works there hides behind a wall of hand picked brasilians that tell US citisen we cant do that and we get no help eather

just a photo op Clifford Sobel and his workers are just living off the fat tit of goverment pay , along with the clown whom is working the decks for help us when something goes wrong , never emails back or never at his statino

all the embassy do is to sell visa to very rich brasilians .

but if a person gets in harms way it is a civil matter .
just like the brasilian goverment all power no back bone
Hot too high
written by mmm, February 21, 2007
Clara Angelica Porto get in touch with reality.
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written by Ludwig Van Beethoven, February 21, 2007
Mr. Clifford Sobel keep up the good work....
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written by bo, February 21, 2007
WINGIN
written by forrest allen brown, 2007-02-21 19:12:28

I have been married to a brasilian woman for over 3 years and she is still trying to get a visa to come to the U.S.

i live in brasil with my wife , but dont make enough money to pass the suport her if we stay in the us , so the U.S wants me to leave her and come up and work 3 years and pay taxes .
of over 15.000 us a year than she can get a visa YEA RIGHT

and here is another one if you go to work in the good old USA , and your wife is not living in the states , on your w4 form you will notice you have to claim single statis and get on decudtions for her or him.

but if you bring them over with out papers you can file and pay the fine .

the US is going 3 world
every one that works there hides behind a wall of hand picked brasilians that tell US citisen we cant do that and we get no help eather

just a photo op Clifford Sobel and his workers are just living off the fat tit of goverment pay , along with the clown whom is working the decks for help us when something goes wrong , never emails back or never at his statino

all the embassy do is to sell visa to very rich brasilians .

but if a person gets in harms way it is a civil matter .
just like the brasilian goverment all power no back bone



Well Forrest, I for one, hope you're drunk. Because if not, I can completely understand someone like yourself, or your wife, not getting a visa. smilies/sad.gif
VISA DENIED !!!!!!!
written by u.s.a. # 1, February 21, 2007
Nice try !!! ... But your visa has expired !!!!!!!... Your documents are suspect, ... your remaining in the u. s. is questionable,...in summary: you have " no respect" for u. s. law....... No Amnesty... No guestworkers !!!!!!!!!!!..........
No Credibility , No Respect
written by u.s.a. # 1, February 21, 2007
This article is as bogus as a brazilian illegal alien with a homemade green card !!!!!!
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written by Ric, February 21, 2007
In defense of Mr. Sobel, he´s a political appointee. Spend some time in offices like his and you soon see that the real business is taken care of by the staff, mainly secretaries and others who have been there for a long time. They know where everything is filed. It is the job of the Ambassador or Consul or whatever to get around and meet people, attend c**ktail parties and make contacts. He or she may have very little clout at Foggy Bottom and very little say in affecting policy. Not trying to downplay importance, but that´s what I have observed. Claramente culpando a pessoa errada.
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written by Susan, February 21, 2007
There are a huge number of Brasilian illegal immigrants in America.
A minority are involved in "Smash and grab" crime rings that steal large amounts of goods from U.S. stores in one go.
The numbers coming in is so large that the USA has to crack down now.

Don't forget that there are still many atrocity loving muslims who are eager to mass murder as many Americans as they can also, and Brasil is #1 place for fake documents...
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written by Ric, February 22, 2007
I did not know that about the fake documents, but it doesn´t surprise me.
BO
written by forrest allen brown, February 22, 2007
No not drunk

just not happy with the fact i spent 2 tours in nam got my ass shot off and i cant even get my wife a visa to visit the states . i have more here than there but it does not matter to them .
but every crooked politician and his kids can buy a visa , take there stolen money and put it in the banks in the US without even having a SS card or correct ID

while i see almost 10 million OTM doing what they want in my country , and when you turn a person making fals papers to the embassy and it is not there job to hunt them down .

fake documents is a big business in the north of brasil , and the embassy in recife is a walk through for them , and it is going to get even worse when the pepole find you can fly from
Belem to the states

and now you can fly from the middle east to brasil and then from brasil to the states or venasula on a boat is only 1000 miles 14 days on a boat easy way to get the rong people in the U>S>

the U.S does need to stomp on the visa , just in texas alone 24.000 brasiilians were sent back to brasil trying to come over WOP

and now the rich go to school in Mexico for 6 months then file for a tourtist visa it is granted and they cross and never go back to school .

or how about the hundreds that go to school and get out and never go back till they get i trouble with the police .

and all the wellfare fraud that is pulled by all

I HAVE NO QUARMS WITH ALL THE GOOD HARD WORKING BRASILIANS BUT MOST OF THEM ARE STILL IN BRASIL TRYING TO SURVIVE







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written by bo, February 22, 2007
BO
written by forrest allen brown, 2007-02-22 00:57:00

No not drunk

just not happy with the fact i spent 2 tours in nam got my ass shot off and i cant even get my wife a visa to visit the states . i have more here than there but it does not matter to them .
but every crooked politician and his kids can buy a visa , take there stolen money and put it in the banks in the US without even having a SS card or correct ID


bud, I understand your frustration, I'm familiar with U.S. visa policies. Unfortunately, for people like us that are living outside the U.S, ex-pats, if/when we decide to take our wives, if she is not american, then you must have someone, if you can't do it yourself, "sponsor" your wife, in other words, agree to take financial repsonsibility for her. But that should have nothing to do with her obtaining her visa.

First of all, how long ago did you start the process?? How did you go about getting married??? If you just came to brazil, got married, then started the process of getting her a visa it does take longer than usual and that's because you didn't go about it the way the consulate recommends. But evenso, it shouldn't take three years.

Good luck with that.
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written by bo, February 22, 2007
agree to take financial repsonsibility for her. But that should have nothing to do with her obtaining her visa.



sorry, I mis-spoke, it does have everything to do with obtaining a visa, someone must "sponsor" her before she can be given one.
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written by Ric, February 22, 2007
I´m troubled by Forrest´s reference to the Wop.
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written by bo, February 22, 2007
hope he doesn't plan on moving to "little italy".
Susan
written by A brazilian, February 22, 2007
What you are talking about is only a false sense of security. Most illegals will cross the desert from Mexico, and even the ones that overstay their visas wouldn't stay there if they hadn't jobs. It's a simple matter of destroying the demand for illegals. People are only brought there by the organized crime because they know they will have jobs.

If the US is not competent enough to arrest employers of illegals and illegals IN the US, then they are incompotent to do anything else. If the US is incompetent to prevent people from crossing the desert then it means they could place a nuclear bomb under your pillow and you wouldn't notice.

Why don't they finish with illegals at once? It's profitable. Accept that, american businesses profit from the exploitation of such cheap labor, and the government won't dare to screw this up. The US needs illegals.

This type of attitude from US embassies seems to be some sort of "boi de piranha", a kind of diseased and thin ox that is sent to a river for the piranhas to eat while the healthy ones pass safely. This is only psychological help for american bigots to believe the US government is doing something, while, in fact, nothing changes.
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written by bo, February 22, 2007
This type of attitude from US embassies seems to be some sort of "boi de piranha", a kind of diseased and thin ox that is sent to a river for the piranhas to eat while the healthy ones pass safely. This is only psychological help for american bigots to believe the US government is doing something, while, in fact, nothing changes.


Well, Baghdad Bob II, we'll soon see about that.
READ A HISTORY BOOK WONT YA
written by forrest allen brown, February 22, 2007
WOP WITH OUT PAPERS

IT IS A TERM THEY HUNG ON MOST ITAILANS WHEN THEY CAME OVER AS THEY JUST GOT ON THE BOAT AND SHOWED UP ON ELLIS ISLAND SO WITH OUT PAPERS THEY HUNG A TAG ON THEM WOP

but it is still in use today up north in the south OTM is used

all short terms see below

as far as having a sponsor for my wife i got one we are still here , did all the paper work , right , even i was deported from brasil as it took to long

the north of brasil is a total different country , but at least we can got to the embassy from 0800 to 1400 each day not have to waite till 1430 to get in the one in SP

AND A BRASILIAN YOU NEED TO READ YOUR HISTORY , PART OF YOUR CULTURE COMES FROM THE USA , A BIG PART ,
THERE IS 50.000 GRAVES IN EUROPE THAT SHOWS HOW MUCH THE BRASILIAN GOV USE TO ENJOY THE FRIENDSHIP OF THE USA .
OR WAS IT JUST THE MONEY ???????

WOP.
WITH OUT PAPERS
OTM
OTHER THAN MEXICANS
OAD
OF ARAB DESENT
Forrest
written by A brazilian, February 22, 2007
I didn't understand what you mean. We are free to take ownership of any culture we like, this is what antropofagia is all about.
to take to steal , to rob ????????? to break the law
written by forrest allen brown, February 22, 2007
THAN WHT DO BRASILIANS AND OTHER PEOPLES OF THE WORLD ALWAYS FALL BACK TO IT IS OUT CULTURE
WHEN THEY DO SOMETHING RONG IN THE USA

AND AS FAR AS I KNOW ONE DOES NOT OWN A CULTURE .
IT IS LIKE AN ECO SYSTEM IT TAKES TIME TO DEVLOPE
THE WEAK DIE OFF AND THE STRONG TAKE OVER

AND THINGS PANTED IN OTHER COUNTRIES ,
COPIE RIGHTED IN OTHER COUNTRIES

IS THAT WHAT YOU MEAN BY ANTROPOFAGIA
Red tape and Bad manners.
written by Professor, February 22, 2007
Well this article shows how frustrating it is for honest people or dishonest to get a simple visa to go to the U.S. Some how most of us have it in our mind that Governments should be compassionate and discerning. How ever, the fact is Government never has nor ever will be! So what we see now is the result, the result of immigration/visitation policy that is apparently stating, “We do not want any more Brazilian slackers!” or Brazil has exceeded the immigration quota.
Both the honest and dishonest are being penalized, why? Because of those who have taken advantage of the system in the past! Notwithstanding, a high quota of legal immigrants. We assume the U.S. Government should be compassionate and discerning, when in fact they are a bureaucratic entity that bases policies in relation to quotas and statistics!
As most know the U.S. suffers from a high number of Brazilians who have populated the U.S. and are not contributing; as citizens of the U.S. are expected to contribute. The Brazilians who reside in the U.S. legally and who are speaking the English language and who are supporting their families have become citizens by their deeds. On the other hand the problem lies in quotas of foreign population, and Brazilians have exceeded that both legally and illegally.
Being also that a large percentage of Brazilians past, present and future are ready to enter the U.S. and stay illegally, some entering first with a Tourist visa or by other methods. How is possible for the Consulate/Embassy to determine who will and who will not plan to stay illegally? One of the determiners is based on the applicant’s ties to his own country, a Brazilian who has a good job, property, a family, has a higher possibility of returning from Disneyland! So do not be in awe when the rich or better off can get a visa with no problem!
Unfortunately the lack of good opportunities south of the border is causing a record number of immigrants/migrants, much more than the population in the U.S. can stand. Like with most all countries in the world immigration/migration control becomes an issue when it gets overwhelmed. Latin America is essentially repopulating certain parts of the U.S. and instead of mingling they are creating areas where English is no longer spoken and importing the bad lawless habits of their home country and enlarging the base below the poverty line.
If anyone should put blame on anyone for this situation, we do not need to look any further than to those Brazilians who have abused the system and to those wanting to! And as far as rep**ation goes Brazilians have exhibited such bad behavior in Brazil and the U.S. by not abiding by the rules, that Brazilians are deemed lawless where the law applies.
you will get caught
written by u.s.a. # 1, February 22, 2007
The noose tightens ! ... the overwhelming majority of americans are demanding , a end to the flood of illegal aliens...interior enforcements are on the rise, the tide is rising against the illegals...
To the idiot who wrote : PART OF YOUR CULTURE COMES FROM THE USA , A BIG PART !!!!!!!
written by ch.c., February 22, 2007
Sorry, but in my humble and stupid view, a big part of Brazilian culture is mostly......EUROPEAN !
Are not ALL white Brazilians, one way or another, descendants of Europeans ?

Just think about it !!!!!! smile -smilies/wink.gif)
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written by bo, February 22, 2007
If anyone should put blame on anyone for this situation, we do not need to look any further than to those Brazilians who have abused the system and to those wanting to! And as far as rep**ation goes Brazilians have exhibited such bad behavior in Brazil and the U.S. by not abiding by the rules, that Brazilians are deemed lawless where the law applies.



Have to agree. Brazilians aren't big on obeying rules, many laws for that matter. They're not enforced, so they're not respected, simple as that.
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written by let me out of this Braz craze, February 22, 2007
"Unfortunately the lack of good opportunities south of the border is causing a record number of immigrants/migrants, much more than the population in the U.S. can stand. Like with most all countries in the world immigration/migration control becomes an issue when it gets overwhelmed. Latin America is essentially repopulating certain parts of the U.S. and instead of mingling they are creating areas where English is no longer spoken and importing the bad lawless habits of their home country and enlarging the base below the poverty line. "

This is what is called Globalization of Capitalism or Some are More Equal Than Others. Osama is right. These stupid crazy consumers just think with their asses and trashes everything in the world! smilies/grin.gif

I think this is a great moment for Brazilians stop sniffing their socks and start traveling other parts of the world. The fact that much of the A cultural industry is very well liked by Brazilians and they are stupid apoliticals citizens of the world, make them crowd journeys to us. Start traveling to other places! Oh better, keep going to US! smilies/grin.gif
To forrest
written by A brazilian, February 22, 2007
Brazilian culture is made of many cultures. We like it, we take it. It's how it was and how it will ever be.
Professor
written by A brazilian, February 22, 2007
As most know the U.S. suffers from a high number of Brazilians who have populated the U.S. and are not contributing; as citizens of the U.S. are expected to contribute.


They are contribute a lot, in the form of cheap labor force and by paying taxes. Whenever you buy something aren't the taxes calculated over the price? About the "repopulation" part, this is more about mexicans not brazilians. No brazilian would refuse to learn english, or live in a ghetto out of free will. The only people that wouldn't care about learning anything are those planning to go back home after saving some money.

I wonder, though, if americans would complain if the "mass immigration" were of european blondes. It seems to me that this illegal immigrant issue has more to do with racism than with actual economic problems.
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written by out of this thks god, February 22, 2007
Get your asses kicked and still beg to enter that land of nazis. Brazilians are so stupid and real bananas. What a joke!
Brazilians
written by People I know, February 22, 2007
I live in the US., I am an American I have a Brazilian Husband. Many of my friends are Brazilian and I can tell you, all have good jobs (exception of 1 woman who expects a man to take care of her) speak very good English, pay Income Tax, Property tax and are better contributers to our society than some of my American friends. Most of them have attended higher education institutions in the United States and have moved on to graduate school. I am offended by the catagorization of Brazilians as lazy or don't really obey the rules. I have yet to see this. They love their culture and country, but hate what it has become. The USA has a rep**ation in the world as a place where you can have opportunities that you might not have in other parts of the world. Besides having Brazilian friends, I have friends from other cultures as well that display the same approach to life in the United States. The problem isn't these people being here, because from what I can see, they benefit our society, the problem is thier own governments failure to establish a government free of corruption and incompetence. If Brazil was a stable place economically ans socially, most of my Brazilian friends would not be here.
So to those of you that would put down my friends as a culture and a race, you know where you can go, as far as the anti-Americanism goes, I'm not but I understand it. Arrogance will bring that on any one person's behavior let alone an entire nation.
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written by jabmalassie, February 22, 2007
I know there are alot of Brazilians in Orlando and Boston. I never heard of much trouble from Brazilian immigrants concerning crime ect.
back at ya, A brazilian
written by Professor, February 22, 2007
They are contribute a lot, in the form of cheap labor force and by paying taxes. Whenever you buy something aren't the taxes calculated over the price? About the "repopulation" part, this is more about mexicans not brazilians. No brazilian would refuse to learn english, or live in a ghetto out of free will. The only people that wouldn't care about learning anything are those planning to go back home after saving some money.

People who are legal or illegal end up paying state and city taxes every time they purchase something. At the end of the year legal people file state and federal tax returns, however illegal people do not. The illegal people siphon money from the economy. Also take advantage of an infrastructure they are not supporting. In the U.S. citizenship and responsibility are more absolute as say compared to Brazil. Then again if you had millions of illegals in Brazil say from Colombia and these Colombians were sending most of their wages back to Columbia and not paying IR, then it would be more understandable I suppose. Lets also suppose that these millions of Columbians lived in São Paulo and when you went to the Padaria everyone was speaking Spanish. Trust me not all Brazilians in the U.S. are functioning fully in English, just like not all Gringos in Brazil are functioning in Portuguese. For the most part thou I agree with what you say, but then again apparently the U.S. does not or we would not have a visa problem! I guess the fact is that Latin America has so many illegals in the U.S. creating sub-cultures; it has got the population pissed off!

I wonder, though, if americans would complain if the "mass immigration" were of european blondes. It seems to me that this illegal immigrant issue has more to do with racism than with actual economic problems.

I think a few blondes would be okay, but imagine millions of dumb blondes!! Are you kidding, send them back to Europe!

In the past I worked alongside illegals in Texas and Arizona, none of them spoke more than a few sentences in English, most hardworking people I have ever met! Now again Brazilians in the U.S. are not like the Mexicans at least the Illegals I know about, they are from the middle class here and speak some basic English at the minimum. Even though Mexicans are a majority, there are an abundant amount of Brazilians among others as well. For the most part just the amount of Illegal Brazilians in the U.S. are almost greater than the population of Guyanese living in Guyana give or take a few. In my opinion I think we should be able to live easily wherever we wanted to! But if this was the case half of Latin American would have already moved to the U.S. thus leaving no room for the Dumb European blondes!
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written by oat flakes, February 22, 2007
..I live in US I hava a Brazilian Husband...

I thought you had an American husband, with Braz mommy and daddy.. what happened? didnt like the last nationality?

Oh don't forget to supervision Mexican borders and call toll free number when you see a Mex pulling the gate.
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written by out of this olodum, February 22, 2007
...as for the Anti-Americans goes I'm not but understand it. Arrogance will bring that to ...

I wonder what experiences make you 'understand it'. Let alone talking about a Brazzil's gringa poster! Go back to your quack farms!
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written by out of this olodum, February 22, 2007
or quacker smilies/smiley.gif
BRASILIAN
written by forrest allen brown, February 22, 2007
SO IF THERE WERE A MASS OF BIG BUTTED WOMEN FROM ANY WHERE IN THE WORLD WHAT WOULD THE BRASILIAN GOV DO
NOT A THING TILL THE WOMEN OF BRAZIL GOT MAD BECAUSE THERE HUSBANS NEVER CAME HOME

SO TAKING SOME THING PATNTED FROM ANOTHER PERSON IS YOUR CULTURE
COPIE RITE IS NOT OPEN TO LAW BY YOUR CULTURE
KILLING SOMEONE FOR HAVING SOMETHING YOU WANT IS YOUR CULTURE
POLICE ROBING THE PEOPLE THEY ARE SOWRN TO PROTECT IS YOUR CULTURE

DONT BRING IT TO MY CULTURE YOU WILL END UP IN JAIL AND AGAIN TAX PAYERS WILL HAVE TO SUPORT YOU

ALSO HAVE ANY ONE HURD THIS ONE
ILLEGAL GETTING OUT OF JAIL AFTER 5 YEARS OAR TRYING TO FILE FOR CITISEN SHIP THROUGH THE COURTS
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written by bo, February 22, 2007
Brazilians
written by People I know, 2007-02-22 19:16:16

I live in the US., I am an American I have a Brazilian Husband. Many of my friends are Brazilian and I can tell you, all have good jobs (exception of 1 woman who expects a man to take care of her) speak very good English, pay Income Tax, Property tax and are better contributers to our society than some of my American friends. Most of them have attended higher education institutions in the United States and have moved on to graduate school. I am offended by the catagorization of Brazilians as lazy or don't really obey the rules. I have yet to see this. They love their culture and country, but hate what it has become. The USA has a rep**ation in the world as a place where you can have opportunities that you might not have in other parts of the world. Besides having Brazilian friends, I have friends from other cultures as well that display the same approach to life in the United States. The problem isn't these people being here, because from what I can see, they benefit our society, the problem is thier own governments failure to establish a government free of corruption and incompetence. If Brazil was a stable place economically ans socially, most of my Brazilian friends would not be here.
So to those of you that would put down my friends as a culture and a race, you know where you can go, as far as the anti-Americanism goes, I'm not but I understand it. Arrogance will bring that on any one person's behavior let alone an entire nation.



well, "people I know", you must be talking about approximately 25% of the brazilian population in the U.S., because the other 75% are there ILLEGALLY!

If they wouldn't break the law on their very entry into the country, maybe they would deserve a little more respect!
Hmmm...HMMMMM !!!!!
written by ch.c., February 22, 2007
I could understand Brazilians only if they would offer reciprocity !!!!!

Can Americans, Europeans, Africans, LATAM people and whoever stay in Brazil illegally if there is passport checking ???????
What do Brazilians when they find and arrest an illegal (without visa) or someone with a visa that expired ?????

Quite simply.....why do Brazilians find as normal the Brazilians laws for illegals and not similar laws when other countries, wealthy or not, have similar laws than Brazil ?????

The same question should be answered for JOBS !!!!!!!!! Would Brazilians companies hire a well paid job for an illegal foreigner ?????

Yessss very sad that Brazilians complain all the time...against laws in other countries.

Furthermore, as one member wrote, that illegals bring prosperity to America, then why it would not bring prosperity to Brazil ! Quite simple !!!!

Finally who of the USA or Brazil needs more development and prosperity ? smile !!!!!

Dont forget that millions and millions of brazilians are already in the informal sectors.
In that sense, using the same idea that illegal jobd bring prosperity, Brazil should be ALREADY extremely prosper ! It is not....from what I know !

Conclusion : those, Brazilians and whoever, saying that illegals bring propserity...simply just dont know anything. Because as said, then, Brazil should be extremely wealthy....ALREADY !!!!! QUITE SIMPLE.....SORRY !!!!!
CONTINUED.....
written by ch.c., February 22, 2007
And everyone know or should know that if America or European countries would let without control and without controlling the numbers......all these countries would double....AT LEAST....their population...in only a few years time !

Because I am not talking specifically only for LATAM citizens, but also Africans, Middle Easterns, Indians, Asians and Chinese.

Simply stated, open the borders, and it wont be millions more of foreigners but hundreds of millions of them from China alone, who are dreaming to leave their
country !

Conclusion : over a billion people are dreaming of a better future !!!!!!!!

Good luck America...the day you open your borders to whoever want to work freely and legally in your country.
The boom wont be only in real estate in huts....but also in your poverty rate that will by definition as high as in these large emerging countries.

Where is the common sense ??????
U.S. LAW will have the last word on this
written by u.s.a. # 1, February 22, 2007
If you are in the u.s. illegally... you can leave and return to your home country...you can leave now , or you can leave when you get caught...your chances of remaining in the u.s. illegally are narrowing and the noose tightens...its quite simple... its the law... amnesty and guestworker lobbys are playing with rhetoric and slogans and nonsense...immigration reform is the attempt by these groups to re-write current laws to allow illegals to remain and allow millions of foreign nationals to the u.s..... the left, and other radical groups agitate, and give illegals a sense of ,"well maybe i,ll get an amnesty"... the reality is this, the future of being a illegal alien in the u.s. does not look good....you can leave now or you can leave later.....
disney land??????
written by u.s.a. # 1, February 22, 2007
VISA DENIED.!!!!...
Ch.c, our savior
written by A brazilian, February 23, 2007
I am glad our messiah is returned with his priceless pieces of wisdom! smilies/smiley.gif
Professor
written by A brazilian, February 23, 2007
The illegal people siphon money from the economy. Also take advantage of an infrastructure they are not supporting. In the U.S. citizenship and responsibility are more absolute as say compared to Brazil.


How do you say that? We pay more taxes than any of you! You are not considering the whole picture. They work for less than an american would, they are contributing to the economy! So if the owner of a fast food store can pay 2 illegals to work for the price of 1 american, isn't that good for his business!? Won't that bring more profit for him, therefore he will spend more and pay more taxes for your economy?

I can't believe americans are that incompetent. Doesn't any of your government agencies know about places, gangs or contacts that take illegals to their employers? Doesn't any of your fellow citizens see illegals and denounce them!? My guess is that finishing with this party is bad for business, that's why they do nothing.

Then again if you had millions of illegals in Brazil say from Colombia and these Colombians were sending most of their wages back to Columbia and not paying IR, then it would be more understandable I suppose. Lets also suppose that these millions of Columbians lived in São Paulo and when you went to the Padaria everyone was speaking Spanish.


I would think the government would have the obligation of offering the opportunity for them to become legals so at least they would have a chance against exploitation. Brazilian laws protecting are one of the kinds that work.

About the spanish part, I think we have more urgent problems than training workers to speak spanish and putting spanish signs on the streets! I was amazed that I actually saw signs written in spanish in one city I visited there! That's crazy! They would have to learn english if you didn't help them by providing services in spanish! Or else they would starve!

Recently I saw an article about illegal bolivians in Brazil. The only problem for them to become legal immigrants would be that they don't have the money for paying the taxes for the visa. This is ridiculous, in such situations there should be a free of charge way.
illegal aliens and anti americanism
written by I.C.E., February 23, 2007
question?... why is it that when a illegal alien farts ,they blame an american for the smell....Answer: being illegal in the u.s. causes stomach cramps, gastrointestinal disorder, excessive gas, and anti americanism ...
Forrest
written by A brazilian, February 23, 2007
SO TAKING SOME THING PATNTED FROM ANOTHER PERSON IS YOUR CULTURE
COPIE RITE IS NOT OPEN TO LAW BY YOUR CULTURE


You don't quite get what I mean. You can't patent Shakespeare, you can't prevent people from reading Homerus, you can't prevent people from appreaciating Goethe. I feel free to read them all and consider them part of my culture, regardless if they are english, greek or german, they are all brazilians to me.



AS WE SHOULD SEE IT
written by forrest allen brown, February 23, 2007
IF THE GOVERMENTS OF BRAZIL AND MEXICO GOT THE POLE OUT OF THERE ASS

AND PASS THE WAGE LAW TO MAKE THE BIG BUSINESS AND THE REST OF THE 3 WORLD COUNTRIES
IT WOULD CUT THE MIGRATION OF PEOPLE LOOKING FOR A BETTER LIFE ELSE WHERE .

LIKE IT HAS BEEN FOR THE LAST 15.000 YEARS LOOKING FOR A BETTER PLACE TO LIVE FOR YOU AND YOUR KIDS

AS WOMEN SMART WOMEN DO LOOK FOR THE BEST PROVIDER FOR THEM AND THE KIDS
...
written by A brazilian, February 23, 2007
Forrest, I can't really understand what you mean. Please stop using the caps lock, and spend a little more time putting those sentences together in a meaningful way.
Hey, dont bring Paraguay into this
written by Pioneer, February 23, 2007
Most Paraguayans do not even bother applying for US tourist visas because they have leanred from the countless horror stories of others being denied a visa. The consular officers in the U.S. embassy in Asuncion are merciless -- they interrogate applicants and grill them about their finances and family situation, in full view of a roomfull of applicants. Asides from the humilliation of having a visa rejected, there is the financial pain of having to pony up $100 for a shot at being considered a B-1 tourist visa. I hate to say this, but $100 is a lot of money for a country where the monthly wage is barely $200. Hence, the U.S. is not the destination of most Paraguayans, and Clara Angelica obviously doesn't know what she is talking about when she compares U.S. consular policies in Paraguay against those in Brazil.

The U.S. has the duty to control and secure its borders and enforce its immigration laws. Do you want to know what living in a country run over by illegal immigrants feels like? Do you want to see for yourself what it feels like to be invaded and over-run by foreign citizens who don't speak your language, don't share your culture and who try to impose their institutions on you? Check out Pedro Juan Caballero, Saltos de Guaira or Ciudad del Este, all located in the eastern portion of Paraguay. This region is being over-run by ilegal Brazilian immigrants who practice slash-burn agricultural techniques and who disregard Paraguayan culture and laws.

...
written by A brazilian, February 23, 2007
This region is being over-run by ilegal Brazilian immigrants who practice slash-burn agricultural techniques and who disregard Paraguayan culture and laws.


Are they crossing the desert to Paraguay?
A brazilian.......
written by Professor, February 23, 2007
The illegal people siphon money from the economy. Also take advantage of an infrastructure they are not supporting. In the U.S. citizenship and responsibility are more absolute as say compared to Brazil.


How do you say that? We pay more taxes than any of you! You are not considering the whole picture. They work for less than an american would, they are contributing to the economy! So if the owner of a fast food store can pay 2 illegals to work for the price of 1 american, isn't that good for his business!? Won't that bring more profit for him, therefore he will spend more and pay more taxes for your economy?


Brazil is a different story! I guess siphoning all that money out of the U.S. is justified because it is an American problem, right? But try to do the same from Brazil.
Illegals are good for business to a certain extent and who profits? The farmers etc. plus this keeps the cost of produce down. But the Illegals, other than siphoning money out of the U.S. are not paying their Fare share that supports the infrastructure. When they get sick they use the welfare system to pay for their medical, when they start breaking the law the police are called, when they start a fire the fire department is called and so on, are they paying for these services which are supported from property taxes, legal employmey etc.? NO! The legal taxpayer pays for this, so even though a head of lettuce is 20 cents cheaper, the taxpayer has to pay 70 cents more per head of lettuce to maintain illegals.

I can't believe americans are that incompetent. Doesn't any of your government agencies know about places, gangs or contacts that take illegals to their employers? Doesn't any of your fellow citizens see illegals and denounce them!? My guess is that finishing with this party is bad for business, that's why they do nothing.


Incompetent is part of the problem, overwhelmed better describes the situation! Of course Employers would all love to pay slave wages if they could get away with it. Look at wages in Brazil for an example! Things are so crooked here that you have to have a 13th salary, food supplement and other guarantees in case you get fired, And the burden is forced on to the employer who is paying you low wages in the first place and is not paying his fare share of taxes in which the government is forced to make the employer pay in other bureaucratic ways.

In the Latin mentality the 11 million Illegals is a good thing, right? Because it benefits who? Good for the U.S. but keep them Bastardos out of Brazil, Ne?


Professor
written by A brazilian, February 23, 2007
The legal taxpayer pays for this, so even though a head of lettuce is 20 cents cheaper, the taxpayer has to pay 70 cents more per head of lettuce to maintain illegals.


Any source for such data?

Look at wages in Brazil for an example! Things are so crooked here that you have to have a 13th salary, food supplement and other guarantees in case you get fired, And the burden is forced on to the employer who is paying you low wages in the first place and is not paying his fare share of taxes in which the government is forced to make the employer pay in other bureaucratic ways.


I am looking and I see no problem. The values are completely compatible with the economy, so much that it will differ from region to region. The working rights of 13th salary and other benefits are just that, rights of the worker, there's nothing to do as a workaround to "low wages". Please inform yourself better about brazilian working laws before making such stupid claims.

Associating 13th salary to low wages is one of the stupidest things I have ever read in these forums! Now the worker to have rights is something bad!

In the Latin mentality the 11 million Illegals is a good thing, right? Because it benefits who? Good for the U.S. but keep them Bastardos out of Brazil, Ne?


Latin who? Who is latin? Is the such a country "Latinia" or "United states of Latinia"? It's your problem and your government is either incompetent or unwilling to solve the "problem".
CAPS LOCK BROKE ON LAP TOP
written by forrest allen brown, February 23, 2007
ONLY PLACE TO REPAIR IN TROPICAL MAC IN RECIFE BUT LAST TIME I TOOK MY COMPUTER IT WAS 4 MONTHS AND $1500 R TO DO A SIMPLE TASK
AND THEN THEY DOWN LOADED MY PROGRAMS AND SOLD WHAT THEY COULD , ANATHER CULTURE TRATE OF BRASILIANS

SO YOU CAN READ ANY THING YOU WANT I WISH MORE PEOPLE IN THE WORLD READ , OR WERE ABLE TO , SCHOOL HELPS THAT A LOT

I AM TALKING ABOUT THE AIDS MEDS YOUR COUNTRY TOOK BROKE THEM DOWN AND ARE RESELLING TO OTHER COUNTRIES . UNDER YOUR LABLE CULTURE BRASIL


HAVING EVERY MAJOR CITY IN BRASIL THAT HAS CLUBS TAKES MONEY FROM THEM FOR PLAYING CANED MUSIC UNDER THE WE SEND IT TO THE ARTIST , NEVER HAPPENS

MOVIES DOWNLOADED FROM THE NET SOLD TO PEOPLE AT STORES YOUR CULTURE

THE ONLY LATIN COUNTRY I KNOW OF IS POPE LAND WHITCH MOST OF ALL BRASILIANS CLAIM , AND YOUR HOME COUNRTY WOULD NOT EVEN BE THERE IF IT WAS NOT FOR THE CHURCH AND ENGLAND

AS FAR PAY THE ONLY BRASILIANS THAT MAKE SOME WHERE AROUND A GOOD WAGE IS CONGRESS .
AND THOES WHOM WELL YOU KNOW WHO THEY ARE

I HAVE SEEN BUSINESS OWNERS NOT PAY HIS PEOPLE BECAUSE HE DID NOT HAVE THE MONEY HE NEEDED TO LIVE HIS LIFE STYLE CULTURE BRAZIL
americans doing what they do best...
written by costinha, February 23, 2007
arrogant a$$holes!
Forrest
written by A brazilian, February 23, 2007
Do you use a Mac? Haha. You deserve to be charged abusive prices then! smilies/smiley.gif
Back at ya, A brazilian
written by Professor, February 23, 2007
The legal taxpayer pays for this, so even though a head of lettuce is 20 cents cheaper, the taxpayer has to pay 70 cents more per head of lettuce to maintain illegals.


Any source for such data?


Sorry that I wrote above your abstract ability to comprehend! I did write in such a way that was meant to confuse the simple in mind but not the simple. Why not Google for the source data?

Look at wages in Brazil for an example! Things are so crooked here that you have to have a 13th salary, food supplement and other guarantees in case you get fired, And the burden is forced on to the employer who is paying you low wages in the first place and is not paying his fare share of taxes in which the government is forced to make the employer pay in other bureaucratic ways.


I am looking and I see no problem. The values are completely compatible with the economy, so much that it will differ from region to region. The working rights of 13th salary and other benefits are just that, rights of the worker, there's nothing to do as a workaround to "low wages". Please inform yourself better about brazilian working laws before making such stupid claims.

Associating 13th salary to low wages is one of the stupidest things I have ever read in these forums! Now the worker to have rights is something bad!


Again I am sorry, I wrote above your level of experience! I wrote in such a way that a person both knowing the system of the U.S. and Brazil could comprehend. Twisted concepts from a twisted latin mind makes for twisted ways of appeasing twisted subservient people who base their progess on how many Cesta Basicas one makes! Perhaps a 14th salary is on the way?

In the Latin mentality the 11 million Illegals is a good thing, right? Because it benefits who? Good for the U.S. but keep them Bastardos out of Brazil, Ne?


Latin who? Who is latin? Is the such a country "Latinia" or "United states of Latinia"? It's your problem and your government is either incompetent or unwilling to solve the "problem".


It is more than a U.S. problem. The problem comes from South of the border. Again Latin mentality.


ONCE YOU GO MACK YOU DONT GO BACK
written by forrest allen brown, February 23, 2007
NO YOU DONT UNDERSTAND I WILL NOT OVER PAY FOR THE SERVICE .

AND HAVE INFORMED APLE IN THE STATES OF THE MISS DEALINGS OF TROPICAL MC .
MAY NOT BE ABLE TO WORK ON THEM MUCH LONGER
AND THEY ARE SENDING ME MY PART AS WE SPEAK WILL REPAIR IT SOON MYSELF CULTURE USA


SO ON YOUR PC YOU HAVE HOW MANY PICES DO YOU HAVE TO PROTECT YOU FROM
COMPUTER VIRUS.

AND WHAT IS THE NEW SOFT WARE YOU HAVE TO BUY TO KEEP YOUR STUFF CLEAN

AT LAST COUNT THERE WERE OVER 27.000 VIRUS FOR PC AND ONLY ABOUT 300 FOR MAC

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