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Blacks Learn in Brazil They Won't Be Human Until They Become White PDF Print E-mail
Written by Mark Wells   
Saturday, 24 February 2007 22:55

Brazilian TV celebrity XuxaMy own research on racial exclusion in Brazil has given me ample reason to believe that this environment exists only because the majority of Brazil's pretos and pardos still don't seem to understand what their phenotype has to do with their chances for success in life.

But I must also acknowledge the fact that there does exist a consciousness amongst a proportion of afrodescendentes that is able to see through the smokescreen of Brazil's presumed racial exceptionalism.

For many of them, the dream of achieving an actual racial democracy is worth more than the social destruction of the country as a whole. In this sense, images and memories of the oft-cited racial antagonism that is so key to understanding American (US), South African and German societies act as a constant reminder, etched in the consciousness of the Brazilian of what a society should not be.

At best, it is an acceptable premise; at worst, it is the most dangerous form of denial, a way of fleeing from the scene of the crime. Brazil 's racial exceptionalism is predicated on the continuous oppression of the would-be black Brazilian.

In order to eliminate a perceived threat to the established racial hierarchy, people of visible African ancestry must be taught to adore everything in proximity to the European ideal while despising anything that could indicate African origins. This painful denial of self is an ongoing process that has been imbedded in the psyche of the afrodescendente since the 16th century. As Nilma Gomes explains:

"This insidious process is many times incorporated by the victims themselves that go on to believe in the existence of something natural in this distancing. The negros, that are socially and psychologically convinced in this supposed reality, develop strategies that they believe brings them closer to the most socially desired position.

Manipulating and altering the symbols ideologically seen as expressions of their supposed social and biological distancing from the pole of power, the standard of beauty and humanity are tasks implemented by the subjects that fall into this trap. (1)

Malcolm X once said that the worst thing that the white man ever did was to make black people hate themselves. There is ample evidence of this self-hatred in the countless comments and testimonies of afrodescendentes who wished their hair were straighter, their skin lighter, noses and lips thinner.

That seed of self-hatred spawns the fruit of self-hatred as the afrodescendente procures a lighter/whiter partner in order that they may  "improve the race" by having lighter/whiter children whose privilege of whiteness ultimately blinds them to the injustices experienced by his/her darker parent and all those who look like them.

According to many of the widely circulated insults directed at the afrodescendente, blacks are monkeys (macacos), shameless, dirty and mischievous (negro safado), made of excrement (negro de merda), and disgusting (negro nojento). Accordingly, they still belong in the slave house (senzala).

This is what Denise Medeiros Rocha of Rio said to her neighbor's husband, Cláudio Costa Ferreira, on Christmas Eve of 2005. (2)

A quick Google search of all of these terms will show that they are quite common insults. For many Brazilian citizens, blacks still "aren't people", so many afrodescendentes will try to align themselves and their descendents with their only choice in their desire of being something in which their humanity will be respected. Again, quoting Fanon:

"I will simply try to make myself white: that is, I will compel the white man to acknowledge that I am human. " (3)

After planting the seeds of this racial hatred of self over a period of nearly 500 years, the whiter looking Brazilian mestiço points to his/her more African looking brother and sister and accuses him/her of being their own worst enemies.

By placing the blame on the afrodescendente, the Brazilian refuses to emphasize that it is the white Brazilian, the "holder of economic power and social prestige that has the opportunity of disseminating their racist ideology and consequently convincing a great part of the black population that their condition of inferiority is natural. " (4) In reality, racial dominance and white supremacy could not function if it were any other way.

In closing this piece, I would like to pose a question to those who continue to see the US as a racial hell while hailing Brazil as a racial paradise.

Let us imagine that neither Jim Crow era United States nor apartheid era South Africa ever existed as such. Let us imagine that these societies and any other societies that are considered to be racist actually treated all members of their multi-racial societies with complete equality.

That would mean that there would be full participation in every strata of mainstream society for all races. Then, let us imagine that Brazil continued to maintain a society in which beauty, power, wealth and success was represented by whiteness while favelas, ugliness, poverty and exclusion were represented by blacks.

Without a United States or a South Africa to point to as the "real" racists, and the rest of world wondering why the society was stratified in such a way, to whom would the Brazilian point in order to deflect attention away from their own racial reality?

Footnotes

(1) Gomes, Nilma Lino. Sem perder a raiz: Corpo e cabelo como símbolos da identidade negra. Autêntica Editora, 2006.

(2) Magalhães, Mário. "Vizinha é condenada por racismo após soltar cão em festa". Folha de São Paulo. September 22, 2006. Available online October 17, 2006.http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/folha/cotidiano/ult95u126216.shtml

(3) Fanon, Frantz. Black Skin, White Masks. 1967 (1952) Grove Press.

(4) Oliveira, Iolanda. Desigualdades Raciais: Contruções da Infância e da Juventude. Intertexto, 1999.

The following bibliography is for this article and past articles written by Mark Wells and posted at BRAZZIL.com since January 11, 2007.

These articles include:

By Making the US a Racial Hell Brazil Can See Itself As Eden
Written by Mark Wells
Thursday, 11 January 2007
http://www.brazzil.com/content/view/9774/80/

It's All a Matter of Class Not Color, Say Brazilians. Just Another Myth!
Written by Mark Wells
Friday, 12 January 2007
http://www.brazzil.com/content/view/9775/80/

Blackness's Fear and Stigma Make Brazil a 6% Black Country
Written by Mark Wells
Sunday, 14 January 2007
http://www.brazzil.com/content/view/9776/80/

Brazil's Own One Drop Rule
Written by Mark Wells
Tuesday, 16 January 2007
http://www.brazzil.com/content/view/9779/80/

Through Globo TV Lenses Brazil Is a White Dreamland
Written by Mark Wells
Friday, 19 January 2007
http://www.brazzil.com/content/view/9781/80/

Contrary to Myth, Brazil Is Ashamed of Being Mestizo
Written by Mark Wells
Monday, 22 January 2007
http://www.brazzil.com/content/view/9784/80/

In Race Matters the US Is Becoming More and More Like Brazil
Written by Mark Wells
Monday, 29 January 2007
http://www.brazzil.com/content/view/9789/80/

Brazil's Biggest Show on Earth Is Also a Way to Keep Blacks in Their Place
Written by Mark Wells
Wednesday, 07 February 2007
http://www.brazzil.com/content/view/9799/80/

Brazil's False Image of Racial Harmony Has Accomplice: the Black Population
Written by Mark Wells Tuesday, 13 February 2007
http://www.brazzil.com/content/view/9805/80/

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This is part ten and last of a multi-piece article.

Mark Wells holds a Bachelor's Degree in Anthropology from the University of Michigan-Dearborn and is currently working on a Master's Degree in Social Justice at Marygrove College in Detroit, Michigan. He can be reached at quilombhoje72@yahoo.

© 2007 Mark Wells

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written by A brazilian, February 25, 2007
Without a United States or a South Africa to point to as the "real" racists, and the rest of world wondering why the society was stratified in such a way, to whom would the Brazilian point in order to deflect attention away from their own racial reality?


Without it the US would be what Brazil is today. A bunch of people living together without any racial segregation (black neighborhoods, white neighborhoods, etc). The would be no reason to point fingers since we would be equal.

This is probably one of you worst articles, the others seemed to have more content, this one seems to just sensationalistic. The image used for it of Xuxa, she is a blonde TV hostess, and as I see it she is just as brazilian as anybody else. I think this is one american racism "feature", they believe "blondeness" are their exclusivity. So seeing somebody like Xuxa being successful in Brazil can only be the indication of "denial" and "racism" because brazilians are all brown or black, aren't they?

First, nobody is taught to adore anything. People will always find things about their bodies they don't like, be it black or not. Yes, the type of hair from blacks are not the most popular one, but a lot of other features from all races. White women with a flat body aren't also the most popular ones. People without any tan, as white as the background of this webpage, are also not the most popular ones. Do I need to mention fat people? All those things are silly but they happen.

This is only a matter of self-esteem from the individual, not anything that's forced upon them. What prevents people from feeling good about themselves even if they are fat, not tanned, flat assed or with black type of hair? The point is that there's no"white men conspiracy" to make blacks to feel bad about themselves. The same way there's no "skinny people conspiracy" to make fatties to feel bad about themselves or "big assed women conspiracy" to make the flat ones to feel bad.

Not sure how making blacks look like poor and oppressed people will help. Wouldn't it hurt their self-steem more than anything else? I have met a few that were very sure of themselves and very capable, I am sure they wouldn't like such characterization. The very quantity of mixing along is evidence that blacks are not considered less than humans.

Your argumentation of "seeking a lighter skinned partner" is illogical. Doesn't the will of the other person count? Why do people accept "darker skinned" partners, if everyone is racist as you say? Wouldn't that be bad for themselves, and lower the "level or privilege" of their offspring?

The very fact you think people are different based on race is racism. Just like have done extensively here.
Recommendation to All
written by Simpleton, February 25, 2007
Please consider letting this be the last post against this author's articles. Maybe then they'll stop publishing such garbage here.
Why racism ?????
written by paulista, February 25, 2007
We have thousands of serious problems racism not being one of them and one of the very few things we can be proud of compared to the rest of the world.
Why is it that many people
written by paulista, February 25, 2007
just don't accept racism is not an issue in Brazil?
propaganda 101: spread lies ,misinformation, and other tools of the left......
written by u.s a. # ...1, February 25, 2007
I don,t believe you Karl Marx !
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written by ???, February 25, 2007
Mark Wells must be some white guy in the USA...trying to spread the diease of hate in this country through minds of Brazilians.
Move along a path to be something more than the small minded individuals in the USA.
One Two Pow, Biff Bam....
written by The American Historian, February 25, 2007
Just when we thought Wells had retired he comes back like Ali from the rope-a-dope and flattens the competition. Biff, bam boom pow.....Good work Mark. You are to Brazil what Gunnar Myrdal was to the U.S. in the 1940's. Enough Racial Democracy pablum. For years Xuxa refused to even have black kids on her show. More black kids are probably on television in Australia, and they have about six black people in the whole country. Probably, more black kids show up on television on the planet Pluto.....
Citations
written by The American Historian, February 25, 2007
Look at all of those sources A Brazilian. I got dizzy just reading all of them.
Malcolm X
written by Ric, February 25, 2007
When he was young he was proud to be a little less black than his peers. But he came to hate that unknown ancestor that gave the reddish tint to his hair.

Obama should have had experts vet those two books he wrote. If he gets nominated, just wait for the opposition to latch on to the fact that Malcolm X was one of his Role Models.

An interesting article. A liberal education means among other things that one can read and appreciate without knowing enough about the subject to form an opinion on the merits.
More on Citations
written by The American Historian, February 25, 2007
Yes, citations to the left of me; citations to the right of me. Citations on my roof, citations and sources on my floor. A Brazilian is down for the count. One, two, three.....it's all over folks and the winner is......Mark Wells!
IT WORSE IN THE STATES
written by Ric, February 25, 2007
Dinah Shore once sued her family for not telling her about the ancestor who was black.
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written by Ana P., February 25, 2007
First: I heart XUXA! Sou uma baixinha. lol

Second: Look at Xuxa baby daddy: http://www.ovadiasaadia.com.br...tima_6.jpg
If racism was big, why people in Brazil all marry people of different color as they are? Why people are so mixed?

That's all what I have to say about that! LOL

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written by Ana P., February 25, 2007
Now that's funny ROFLMAO.

XUXA dated Pele. that's how she hates black people LOL

"Toda mullher tem que um pretinho basico" smilies/grin.gif
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written by Ana P., February 25, 2007
sorry:

"Toda mullher tem que ter um pretino basico" smilies/grin.gif
racism not just about color
written by forrest allen brown, February 25, 2007
Was not XuXa married to pela for a very long time and has 2 kids by him ??? what is his color ???

do not most brasilians see gringoes as a place to get money , a form of racisum !

why is it only white people can be taken to court for racism ??

are jews a race or religon ???

when any people talk about racism it is first the USA , then South africa and england , why never gremany ??? france ??? russia ???
all have worse civil rights than the USA

and look at canada how they the french , brasilians treat there own indians ,
it is a problum that is set in the human genome and will have to be cut out by a knife or a ton of school
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written by Ana P., February 25, 2007
I don't know why Xuxa didn't marry Pele or why she didn't have kids with him but I suspect it was because she was still not ready for all that. She didn't marry Luciano either. The point here is that Luciano is not white either and Brazilians are mixed. If racism was such of a big thing people will not marry people of different color since racist don't want offspring to be biracial or multiracial.
Mr. Wells, the village called and they want its idiot back....
written by Alex, February 25, 2007
Mr. Wells, your article is poisonous, unintelligent, prejudiced and completely out of touch with the racial reality in Brazil. I am very happy that the only channel you have found to spread your message of hatred is in a relatively unimportant avenue as Brazzil.com. It seems apparent that the segment of the Brazilian society most prone to be influenced by your Black Mein Kempf (and the other garbage you have posted) is not going to be reading it.
The reason why Brazilian blacks seem to be content and unaffected by their markedly inferior position in Brazilian society is complacency. It must be pointed out, however, that in Brazil this is a color blind trait, being historically embraced by the populace in general. Brazilians (whites and blacks alike) are complacent and docile even in the most adverse of situations. You don’t have to go back far in History to acknowledge that only the most complacent of people would endure government approved appropriation of savings, hardcore monetary inflation, and widespread and senseless killing and torture of the ones contrary to the system, just to mention a few. This complacency has been incorporated in the Brazilian mentality as something positive and desirable (seen in expressions such as “em soul ad past”). This unwillingness to get involved seems to have been solidified through a series of utter and complete failures of revolutionary movements (Candors and Revolução de 32) and is responsible for the racial makeup you see in Brazil today.
It has been only in the past few years, as the fourth state became more mature and less influenced by a few powerful famlies that the Brazilian mentality has been changing. Probably the watershed moment for this change was the impeachment of Fernando Collor a couple years ago. Today, the Brazilian society seems to be much more aware of its rights, although still plagued by a government that is endemically inefficient and corrupt. Since blacks have been historically at the bottom of the social ladder, they will probably arrive to the road to self political awareness later. But the same is also true of millions of white who live in poverty and are barred from access to higher education and better jobs. Self respect, the demand for a better life, the understanding of undeniable rights always comes with political enlightenment. Hopefully, Brazilian blacks will be able to fight the chains of complacency without having to take the same steps of their American brothers. The truth of the matter Mr. Wells is that both blacks and whites in America display racism and any changes that have occurred have been vertically “forced” by the Supreme Court and are not a product of a change of heart. It might take longer for black Brazilians to reach their social Promised Land, but I am sure that they won’t get there in buses protected by the National Guard nor will they pay the price to get there with the blood of their slain leaders.
Mr. Wells, when you try to delineate a racial analysis of Brazil using a historical footprint of the American racial dynamics, you prove to be utterly and completely handicapped for the task. It proves that one does not have to preach prejudice in a rap song to shout to the world that the hatred inside you has corroded your ability to think and see the world as it really is.
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written by Alex, February 25, 2007
correction
*** This complacency has been incorporated in the Brazilian mentality as something positive and desirable (seen in expressions such as “EU SOU DA PAZ”).
BS
written by SAVY, February 25, 2007
Blacks are the equivellent of the Mexican's of Brazil, there can be no denial, and while Well's article is over the top, the truth can be seem in day to day life in Brazil. Sure there are the execptions, some educated back professionals, may be a politican or two and sports figures, in the US Mexicans have a few as well.

But who in Brazil do you see riding the municipal trask trucks, what color are the empgragadas with their white kids in the park? How about the delivery people on their bikes, the homeless in the streets. Don't tell me how color blind Brazil is, the whites of Zona Sul and other large cities will walk across the street to keep from passing a group of blacks, especially at night.

Blacks have their own beaches, the only blacks you see on the white beaches are serving white people. Even the marginal jobs like a waiter is taken by a white person, how often are you served in a cafe or bar by a black. And while I know everyone will deny it, most crime and Brazilians in prison are black. Talk about racal profiling...have you ever seen a police blitz, all backs are pulled over and checked while whites are waived through...sorry, but your color blind utopia is pure fiction. I'm not saying the US is any better, but your problems are the same or worse.
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written by Ludwig Van Beethoven, February 25, 2007
Ana P. I am brazilian and I am not mixed how do you explain that??? Are you from Bahia?? Brazil is a racist country and idiots like you do not see it... grow up...
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written by Ana P., February 25, 2007
maybe you are not mixed but about 80% of Brazilians are. I am and my whole family of about 500 people. I am not from Bahia. Eu sou do interior do Rio de Janeiro.
Brazil is not a racist country but does have racist people like anywhere else in the world but we do accept people from all over the world and accept them as "Brazilians". Black, white, yellow it doesn't matter you are Brazilian.
Ana
written by SAVY, February 25, 2007
You are from the interior of RJ, thus your perspective is slanted, I will go out on a limb here and say you are from a small town or Bario and most of the people you grew up with were mixed family and friends. But you must look at Brazil's racist society with intellect. The power lies with the elite white, and while they may keep you happy and blind with Carnaval or Bolsa Escola, cheap carne and cerveza, many people move from the small cities in the interior to become the servants of the whites, unless of course you are from Nova Friburgo or Petroplolis, then you serve the rich white Cariocas there.

I am in Ribero Preto and Sao Paulo on business frequently, I do not see blacks or "dark Brazilians" in the business hotels nor the places were the rich and powerful conduct their business. If I do they are security or servants. Try to find a dark Brazilian in a helicopter, important business or government meeting or even a dark pilot (although I was inpressed on my last trip that my pilot was a woman!).

Also, you come from a state with some power, in the North, blacks can not read or write, in the South, were the ancestors of German Nazis reside it is even worse, no matter what the statistics. You are correct, you can be succesful if you are mixed and light skinned, but are doomed to mediocroty if you are mixed and preta.

I am by no means saying that there is NO racisim in the West, in fact, it is pathetic it still exists, mostly in the South and Midwest, but we DO have rich and powerful blacks other than sports. Colin Powell, Condy Rice, amd Page no matter what your politics, hold or held powerful positions on the world stage, Opra Winfrey (why not compare here to ZuZu) is the richest women in the US, we have a black candidate for preseident who is getting the support of the rich and famous. What has Brazil got, Gil & Pele? I do believe that Brazil is making strides, I believe this is because of the new left of center government, it is a good thing. But a dark person there...and a dark person here have distinctly different opportunities.
To SAVY:
written by Ana P., February 25, 2007
I am from the interior but I live in the USA for 4 years and have travelled to other countries as well. I am from Macae-RJ which is a well known for the petroleo industry.
I am considered white in Brazil and I come from a poor family and worked as an empregada. It doesn't matter if you black or white and you are poor. Brazil discriminate social class way more than color also fat people. In the USA, is wrong to no hire a person because they are fat in Brazil they won't hire store salesperson, waitresses, secretary, etc if they are fat.
Racism will always exist in Brazil by very rich pure Europeans but hardly by someone that has mixed blood(80% of the population) but in the USA it is large percentage of people that racist not only against blacks but anything but white.
I have asians and middle eastern friends and they suffered just as much with racism in the USA.
SAVY
written by A brazilian, February 25, 2007
You are just repeating the same mantra from Mark Wells. There's no parallel between the brazilian and american societies in what concerns race, you will be well treated if you are well dressed and look educated, or if you are someone famous. Definetely this is not a problem.

'The society is much more mixed than the american and "mexicanos" are . I went there and saw with my own eyes, mexicans and americans are segregated. There's absolutely no integration between them, and lunatics from both sides seem to want to be so.

The american society is so sick that you have "ghettos" for the mind, such as stereotypes people use to label themselves with like "blacks", "hispanics" or "latino", "american" (obligatorily blonde), "italian", "irish" (?). This is simply ridiculous. To claim that Brazil is even close is to show an incredible level of cluelessness.

And, yes, I am mixed and my family have people of all kinds of looks. There's no problem as you describe. There's no "evil conspiracy" for keeping anyone in misery, I have met people of all looks and they were just friends, equals, nobody would be talking if a blonde would be dating a black looking guy, as I have witnessed several times.

And for those that claim that blacks are good only for "empregadas" and all whites are riches, well, you should learn a little about this society before spreading this non-sense.
Strange perspective for a Brazilian
written by nesnej, February 25, 2007
Ana P. it is strange that you would not call XUXA's boyfriend white. He would be considered white by most Brazilians. He is the same color as people from Italy and Portugal. I think you have been living in the US for too long, and now think like they do, you are using the same qualifiers for whiteness that they are. Also you need to stop using s**t like" baby's mama" it sounds really ghetto no matter what color you are.
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written by A brazilian, February 25, 2007
Ana P. it is strange that you would not call XUXA's boyfriend white.


I understood it as a way for americans to be able to grasp the idea. Otherwise they can't.
We have to look at our belly buttons
written by Luiz Mendes jr, February 25, 2007
The article scares most brazilians for an obvious reason. Our segregacionist cultural core is deep enough in our hearts to make us blind to the terrorism we commit for centuries.
I don´t agree with Wells in everything he says cause Brazil is not a place for such generalisms, but most of what he wrote has some big truth on it, a truth that embarasses us so much, we can´t even admit it.
I live in Rio de janeiro, a city that worships blondeness more then most others in the country. Although some model agencies have a significant number of black people on their profiles, I say the big ones are centuries away from leaving their pro-white-blonde preferences for behind.Blacks on their ranks only serve for more specific roles or for justifying a pseudo non-racist mentality.
The idea most non-blacks have about brazilian supposed multi-racial culture is a country that is 60% white, 30% "pardo" and 10 % black. This is the image Brazil feels confortable to accept and worship as its own, at least in cities like Rio and São Paulo. On TV, this 10% of blackness is formed by the ones called "exceptions", a group of fortunate people who can enter the nobilty to show everybody else that, besides the odds, it´s always possible to "get there". The problem is: these blacks anchieved their new adquired priviledges under the white men´s stabilishment, and this stabilishment doesn´t want blackness to surpass 10%, the same 10% you see when you look at any TV show´s dancers cast, and many other stuff around. This pro-white view of our multiracial democracy hits most aspects of our lives, because a big part of Brazil remains embarassed with its non-eurpean heritage.
Surelly, racism doens´t justify all social problems related to our black population. Black people who anchieve good education can surpass many racial obstacles of society when looking for certain jobs for example. I have a group of black friends who made the same school I made, and they´re all well employed today, some with college degree in hands, despite all unconscious and conscious racism they still have to suffer daily.
So, my points are:

1 - We can make all quota and affirmnative action possible, and not very much will be anchieved if we don´t make a revolution on our public education on the basic levels. Or stabilishing a percetnage of poors for every particular school to study for free

2 - We should stop imediatly to point fingers to USA and South Africa, enhancing their racist flaws to hide ours from them and, specially, from ourselves. These countries might have racial related problems we are not used to experience, but they also made wonderfull social advances we are still centuries away from. Sociologist Darcy Ribeiro once said Brazil is the United States if the south had won the war. It´s impossible to denial there´s a lot of truth in such statement

3 - Let´s not demeanor affirmative actions like Netinho´s black TV channel and Raça Brasil magazine. These iniciatives do not intend to create any kind of forced separatism or racial hatred. All they look for is to create an opportubity for black people to get away from the 10%, search for better space in media and society, and, mostly, change the unfair hierarchichal system that still exists in our twisted idea of multiracist Brazil. They work to generate more black references so that kids can look upon and have hopes to reach the higher levels of society without appealing to crime.

Thank you Mr. Luiz Mendes Jr.
written by Ludwig Van Beethoven, February 26, 2007
Thank you Mr. Luiz Mendes Jr., brilliant post..... I agree with you. It is nice to read reasonable people here...
Luiz Mendes
written by A brazilian, February 26, 2007
I think the goodwill of some in Brazil to overcome the great social disparities are not the same thing as Mark Wells says. His intention is not of helping fixing anything, but to promote racism in the american style, i.e., a kind of segregation of the society in "races". There are many problems in Brazil and those must but fixed, with emphasis in education, but we don't have a racist society in here.

I don't undestand what you say about "being embarassed about non-european heritage". Do you really think so? And all those forms of expressions in the brazilian culture such as Carnaval, are those genuinelly european? Do you think that the percentage of blacks is kept "artificially" low because of someone's agenda, a conspiracy to keep blacks in misery?

If we saw the african culture completely segregated from the brazilian, or any attempt of expressing to be condomned, that could be. But exactly the opposite happens. And not as some sort of "ghetto" thing, but mainstream.

Stop trying to be politically correct and use your intelligence. The things describe by Mark Wells simply doesn't exist.

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written by e harmony, February 26, 2007


That "black candidate" is mulatto, and has one white parent and one black parent, essentially it is the U.S. reflecting Brazil's adoration for the mulatto. Brazil already has had a dark black woman I believe as either mayor of the city of Rio or the governor of the state of Rio - I can't remember which though. Anyways, Brazil currently has what would be considered non-white as President by U.S. standards - he's Lula. I say that because if Lula was in the U.S. cutting lawns for money, he would not be considered "white."

Just like Chile already has a woman President whilst the U.S. asks the question, "is the country ready for a woman President." No matter the answer to that question Chile and a number of countries have already proven more ready for it than the U.S. Just as Sao Paulo proved ready for a female mayor before New York City. The United States may just now begin to have an enticing interest in mulatto and brown men in suits - Obama - but Brazil has appreciated such men for quite some time.
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written by Ana P., February 26, 2007
But for Americans Luciano would be Black, crazy isn't it? In Brazil he is white but not in the USA. An American only would consider someone like Xuxa as a white person but not Luciano and would say that a person that has Luciano color are discrimanate by white colored people like Xuxa in Brazil and by television on which in their opinions only show white-colored people(their white perception is someone that has same color and feature like Xuxa) but all that is not true since Luciano is on TV and many others the same color or even darker.
What's wrong with baby's daddy expression? He is the daddy of her baby. I am not ghetto at all, I don't talk ghetto never did. I have hard time understanding ghetto people in the USA LOL.

The blondeness obessession has nothing to do with being white but the hair color itself. That's a easy solution: a bottle of bleach!

Some examples of actresses/singers/models that are big in Brazil and on TV:
Aline Moraes

Juliana Paes

Luciana Gimenez

Daniela Cicarelli

Wanessa camargo


And for the end Scheila Carvalho considered the most sexy women in the Brazil for many years now
http://scheilacarvalho.zip.net/

Response to "A Brazilian"
written by Luiz Mendes jr, February 26, 2007
Regardless of Well´s intentions, a good part of what he says should be taken into consideration, or at least that´s my oppinion. I desagree with you when you say brazil is not a racist country. You can say our racism comes on a different way when compared to the kind of racism we see in the first world for example. Here, we have cultural mixing and a great level of acceptance of our non european heritage in fields such as music, arts and religion, but this apparently democratic fusion does not seem to be the same when we point our focus to personal relashionships, social relashionships and the acceptance that each fenotipe and heritage have on the colective imaginarium. Beneath the cultural fusion, there are biotipical and social hierarchies that work on many social levels (of course these vary from place to place in Brazil and the main focuses on my precious comment were Rio, which is the city I live). You see a show like "Caldeirão do Huck", for example. There´s a broad space for blacks singers to make appearences, for black music to be put in, for black funk from the favelas, for blacks to participate on the popular atractions of the show like "Agora ou nunca" or "Super Chance", but this access seems to get narrow when we realize that just one of the dancers can be called black (and she was put in for clear polictical reasons) as almost none of the models that are put on the front seats are black. So we can come to the conclusion that segregation appears for certain roles and spots, so blacks can simbolize certain features but not others. And blacks can appear when it´s pollitically profitable ("We are giving a space to the favela funk to show up", "We are putting the "populars" on our prize contests"). Blacks can be here and there, but for there and over there, cause certain structures need to be maintained. We see places with black music and black atmosphere for middle class non-blacks who love to chant their pseudo non-racist beliefs while letting most blacks "outside" (using a high price as the perfect excuse) and the politically correct 10% inside. How about brazilian version of the Big Brother, my friend? Why so few blacks and always counted? Why so many blonde women for every ediction? Have you recalled black participation on the history of telenovelas? Have you heard about why netinho decided to make a black channel? He had a show on Rede Record Network, with more black people then most usual shows and the producers wanted more violence, more "black things". Netinho wanted to avoid that, putting more romance and love story. In the end, the produced just came to him and sayd. "Look dude, Brazilians don´t want to seat 15 minutes in front of the TV to see black people kissing each other." Antropologist Roberto da Matta says americans accept their people equal but always separated. Here, it´s more like "Together, but different". So, the "everybody´s culture" does not attend everybody equally all the time. In Brazil, blacks have a lot more freedom for certain roles and expectations then to others. It´s like some american whites watching black stand up comedians and expecting then to do racial jokes all the time. If the comedian decides to quit the racial jokes, then, these whites will prefer to see a white comedian doing stand up, cause they expect the black one to be racial, as they expect third world movies to show people suffering and african films to have wars and starvation.
I believe you follow Ali Kamel´s view on racism. He wrote a nice book entitled "We are not racist". I admire Kamel´s work on research and I believe his book has lots of things to be taken into consideration, but I think he lets the colonial racism pass by a lot, focusing his attention on the social side of the problem. The thing is that it´s very difficult to realize brazilian racism against blacks when you are not black (and sometimes even being black), although it does not mean you are not affected from it. The friendly relashioship atmosphere of brazilian racial and social interaction hide sinister hierarchical unconsious laws that most people feel impelled to follow without knowing why, as if they were absolutelly natural and unscapable.
Of course that racism in Brazil does not always follow the same laws and patterns. It seems to be a lot lower in Music and movie industry for example, since this last one is always looking for that Brazil the mainstream brazil doesn´t like to see.

I´m not trying to be pollitically correct, but USING MY INTELIGENCE to try to help breaking the cliche´s speach that we hear from most mouths in Brazil. A speeach that seems to manifest more conformism than a will to really understand what goes on in this country and change it.

I´m not trying to be the owner of the truth also. And I aprecciate, although desagreeing many times, opinions such as Kamel´s when he tries to minimize racism and emphazise classism in brazilian relashioships.
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written by Luiz Mendes jr, February 26, 2007
ps: when I mean"precious comment were Rio", read "previous comment"
To Luiz
written by Ana P., February 26, 2007
Nobody said that Brazil racism doesn't exist but Brazil is not a racist country simple because the majority of the people there are mixed and the minority which consists in pure European(Mostly NAZIs) are rich and very racist against blacks and poor people of any color.
They have black channels in the USA as well just for blacks and spanish channels just for hispanics and black neighborhoods and hispanics neighborhoods only. That doesnt exist in Brazil. Even Asian only exists in the USA. Wonder why?
Racism in the USA is deeper than just blacks. Whites don't like anyone that is not white. Blacks don't like white or mixed people. Hispanics don't blacks or whites. Blacks hate the asians. Asians hate the whites. And this viscious cycle just goes on and on...
Also it doesn't matter if you are born in the USA no one will ever call you American if you are not white. But try to paint Brazil as a racist country is far from the true. You are Brazilian no matter what even naturalized Brazilians are call just that "Brasileiro".
Alex
written by The American Historian, February 26, 2007
You make some interesting points above regarding the overall Brazilian character, though I think your review of Wells is harsh. Also, it is a bit much to state all change in the USA was "forced" by the U.S. Supreme Court. The Supreme Court cases dealt primarily with ending government sponsored segregation and racism, i.e., in the public schools for example. It was only though the passage of laws by the U.S. Congress and state legislatures that all other types of legal discrimination in the private sector ended--such as in jobs and housing.

And believe me, the Congress would never have passed these laws if most white Americans had not supported their passage. And the white Southern Senators knew there was majority support for better Civil Rights laws, otherwise they would not have used the filibuster to prevent such laws from coming to a vote. So yes, there was a change of heart by many white Americans--though not by all of course.

If you want to read a good recounting of the politics of civil rights in the 1950's, read Robert Caro's "Master of the Senate" which deals with the Senate career of future U.S. President Lyndon Johnson. It is long, but a good read nonetheless.
The Ladies
written by The American Historian, February 26, 2007
The ladies above are all very pretty. In the USA in this month's Sport's Illustrated Swimsuit Issue, a very beautiful Afro-Brazilian girl named Ana Paula Araujo is featured
(the edition with Beyonce Knowles on the cover).
Eye opening letter about Multiracial people
written by Ana P., February 26, 2007
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written by Luca, Roma, Italy, February 26, 2007
The funniest thing is that most "racially-conscious" Black Americans who've made it up the social ladder all marry lighter skinned black women...
Funny...funny !!!!!
written by ch.c., February 26, 2007
- When one member writes : racism is not an issue in Brazil, the answer is not surprising if he is white but why dont you ask
Blacks Brazilians if racism is not an issue ??????? Was it Whites or Blacks American who said there was racism is USA ???? I did not know that Martin Luther King....was white !!!!! Was he ? Hmmmmmm...let me think again !!!!!!

- And with the beautiful ladies in the above photos, sorry but it looks like the member who published them should wear glasses, since NOT ONE OF THEM IS BLACK SKINNED OR BL