Brazzil

Spot on, John, especially the comments on the two countries' perceptions of race.

Great text John Fitzpatrick, maybe we can say you and Brazil are talking the same languge!?? It is about time .

Very good Mr Fitzpatrick and I hope more comments on this visit.

with all the frothing anti-americanism that's been going on here in brazil over the last several years, you're certainly not helping matters. As you yourself stated..

Ahead of President George W. Bush's visit to Brazil I thought I would try and find out how he might be briefed by his advisers. Unfortunately I have no contacts at the White House or the American embassy

And that's where you should've left your article.

In the early 90s I wrote an article about Washington for the internal magazine of a multinational company in which I mentioned how many "black" people I had seen who were obviously of mixed race and made a comparison of race relations in the US and Brazil. The response from the American division of the company was almost hysterical and I was vilified for daring to raise a subject that the Americans regarded as taboo.

And there's the axe.

The CIA site shows that it still has a lot to learn in terms of handling Latin American sensitivities. For example, it describes the area where Brazil, Paraguay and Argentina meet as an "unruly region" which is the "focus of money laundering, smuggling, arms and illegal narcotics trafficking, and fundraising for extremist organizations."

This echoes an American government claim that Muslim extremists are using this region to raise funds in support of terrorism. There may well be some truth in this claim but no hard evidence has been found to justify it and the statement could be qualified to say so.

Wow, unreal how you would attempt to deny that drugs, money laundering, and black market everything isn't going on in the tri-border region. This is well known, not only by the U.S. gov't., but by Argentina, Paraguay, and Brazil. Why do you think that those three countries have allowed the U.S. department of homeland security put their agents on the ground there and set up offices, working together with the authorities from each country? Ask the Argentinian gov't. who they believe to be responsible for the bombing of the Israeli embassy in Buenos Aires in 1990. Also there's a guy you may have heard of, Osama Bin Laden, he was also in that region during the '90's, but I'm quite sure it was only for a vacation. (rolleyes)

Most Americans regard Tabu as a fragrance mainly used by our African-American brethren.

Bad article, with wrong information regarding the history of Brazil. Mr. Fitzpatrick. I am impressed that you lived in Brazil for so long and still do not get it. Brazilians also supported the Military coup in 1964. We had a crazy president in power that was kissing the ass of the Soviets. The military lost its support only after 1968. Get your info straight.

The modern American view that one drop of black blood in your ancestry makes you black, rather than white or mixed race, highlights this difference.

I believe sir that the modern scholars in the United States already proved that the one drop of Black blood does not apply in the United States or anywhere in the World. Not even your native Great Britain where people are a mixed of many civilizations and people, even African blood that the Romans introduced in Britain.

Brazilians also supported the Military coup in 1964. We had a crazy president in power that was kissing the ass of the Soviets.

What!? In what history book have you read it?

even African blood that the Romans introduced in Britain

Huh?

Entretanto, o golpe militar foi saudado por importantes setores da sociedade brasileira. Grande parte do empresariado, da imprensa, dos proprietários rurais, Carlos Lacerda e Cordeiro de Farias (1955). da Igreja católica, vários governadores de estados importantes (como Carlos Lacerda, da Guanabara, Magalhães Pinto, de Minas Gerais, e Ademar de Barros, de São Paulo) e amplos setores de classe média pediram e estimularam a intervenção militar, como forma de pôr fim à ameaça de esquerdização do governo e de controlar a crise econômica. Antônio Carlos Muricy, Magalhães Pinto e Aurélio Lira Tavares numa cerimônia de condecoração do primeiro (entre 1967 e 1969). O golpe também foi recebido com alívio pelo governo norte-americano, satisfeito de ver que o Brasil não seguia o mesmo caminho de Cuba, onde a guerrilha liderada por Fidel Castro havia conseguido tomar o poder. Os Estados Unidos acompanharam de perto a conspiração e o desenrolar dos acontecimentos, principalmente através de seu embaixador no Brasil, Lincoln Gordon, e do adido militar, Vernon Walters, e haviam decidido, através da secreta "Operação Brother Sam", dar apoio logístico aos militares golpistas, caso estes enfrentassem uma longa resistência por parte de forças leais a Jango.

http://www.cpdoc.fgv.br/nav_fa...olpe64.htm

I am an African American with a Brazilian mother. I say African-American because that is the culture that I identify with most since I was born and raised in the U.S. Much of what you say is true in the comparison between races, but somewhat simplified, of course to fit into the scope of the article. And I know this part is definitely on track about: To say that people like Muhammad Ali, Denzel Washington or Colin Powell obviously had some white forebears was like committing a sacrilege. By contrast, there was not a peep of protest from readers in Europe, Asia or Latin America.
But I want to go further to explain why many but not all blacks respond the way they do. First these are very successful blacks that you mentioned, as American history is littered with contributions from blacks, especially as inventors (science), music, sports, the non sports and non music contributions are almost never taught. America has always tried to water down or deny the contributions of blacks as insignificant. That is partly why some respond the way the do, they may think by saying that they obviously have white blood, that you are taking away from their blackness and watering down their significance as positive blacks in America. The other is that "Blackness" in America is more about your culture and not just your skin color. It was "white American" that determined that just by have 1/16 drop of black blood you were treated as such. Only now am I starting to see a change among mixed race kids as identifying themselves as such. This is because in the past if you were mixed you were discriminated against as if you were black. Ultimately understand that blackness in America is you’re "Culture" and not how much black you have in your blood. It is the Sunday dinners at Grandma's house, the large family gatherings and cook outs, story telling, the way you walk and the clothes your wear, the music you listen to, the way we dance, our focus on education and family. Ironic that the culture that I am mentioning is not typically seen world wide, on MTV and BET. Ask Colin Powell, Muhammad Ali and Denzel Washington what's their race and they will all say Black, because of their culture. Barrack Obama was asked exactly that on 60 minutes two weeks ago and he responded exactly how I responded in this article. "I identify with being Black" because my culture is black even though my mother is white.

Okay with all that being said. Blacks still shouldn't react the way they did because what your are saying is the truth. But I hope that all that read this comment understand that blackness in America has more to do with culture than how much black blood is flowing through your veins.

So where does Brazil come into the picture. What "Black Americans" can learn from "Brazilians of African Descent". Stop spending so much time convincing America that you are a victim. Move on. America has victimized us for centuries, things are changing and we should too. By perpetuating the victimization we truly victimize ourselves. America will never apologize, it would cost too much. And we no longer have an excuse to succeed in the good old U.S.A.

What can Brazilian's learn from African American's. Fight for protection under the law against the subtle and unspoken forms of discrimination for all, these forms of discrimination is just as bad if not worse than the overt.

TO:Ludwig Van Beethoven

Your comments are very interesting. I have heard similar ones from many of my Brazilian friends.In 1960´s, the inflation was low,the Government did not encourage education,no employment for educated youth, etc; The revolution took place in 1964,because of the "panalaço" of the middle class Brazilans

Since my reading knowledge of Portuguese is very good, I did go through your comments in that language. Absolutely interesting and eye openers.

Brazilians as a whole are exploitative !!!!!!

And dont you have far more slaves than your official numbers ???? Of course...you do ! Even you SENATORS AND CONGRESSMEN HAVE SLAVES...IN THEIR LARGE FARMS !!!!!

Be proud to be against slavery but have slaves alike, by the millions !

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/6293333.stm

A brazilian, I also read genetic research that mention the same. If you go back a few centuries we have hundreds of thousands of ancestors. It is statistically impossible for anybody in Europe, South and North America to not have a drop of black blood. This mixture has been going on in small scale since before the Roman period and became very common this century. The problem is that you can tell if a person has a majority of ancestors in a certain continent or region. That is why racism does exist in Brazil and the world. There is a new revolution beginning in Historical research, genetics will change the way we see history and ourselves. This revolution began in the United States of America, so Americans are the ones destroying the idea of the "one drop of black blood rule".

Yes Andy Murphy,

The majority of Brazilians use the coup of 64 to point fingers at the United States. The reality is that Brazil placed the military in power in order to stop the Soviets.

TO:Ludwig Van Beethoven,

Thank you sir. You just confirmed what I have been suspecting over the years. If I may ask you, what is your forecast for Brazil in the Political,Economic and Social fronts in the next 4 years?. Would love to hear your honest opinion.

Thanks once again for replying to my post immediately.

This revolution began in the United States of America, so Americans are the ones destroying the idea of the "one drop of black blood rule".

Why do we see the exact opposite in here? They seem to be in the 19th century in terms of genetics, still employing racial myths for explaining "races".

http://backintyme.com/essay050301.htm

Wow, do you really think this people is leader in what concerns race?

A brazilian,

My understanding is that racism is created by the perception that people have of others and not of the reality. Racial purity does not exist in the way Hitler or other crazy person tried to defend. However, we can clearly see when somebody is different from us. In this case the three major groups that exist in Brazil and United States are: whites, mixed, blacks. We can identify visual differences in these groups even if we are similar genetically and none are pure. Culture also plays a big part in the way we see each other. In Brazil the lack of opportunities for blacks and mixed people is perceivable.

Why do we see the exact opposite in here? They seem to be in the 19th century in terms of genetics, still employing racial myths for explaining "races".

If any of the Americans in here defended the "One drop of blood rule" I missed the post, maybe you can find and show it. Like I said most of the genetic researches are done in the United States.

My understanding is that racism is created by the perception that people have of others and not of the reality.

If it's so then Brazil has no racism. Nobody comments others "ancestry" or if the person has too many "african features". Morenos are perceived as morenos, not blacks.

However, we can clearly see when somebody is different from us.

I disagree with this. You live in the US in that society this is made very clear, but here in Brazil we don't see people as different than us, it doesn't matter if the person is blonde or black. I had many friends and girlfriends from different "races" (as an american would inevitably label them) and I identified myself with them and not for a second I thought about how they looked.

The racial problem exists only in the mind of americans, nobody else. They aren't leading anything, they are way behind everyone else.

If any of the Americans in here defended the "One drop of blood rule" I missed the post, maybe you can find and show it. Like I said most of the genetic researches are done in the United States.

I have posted an earlier link about "one drop rule" being strong than ever. Not only that but the support for it and the racism from the many Mark Wells' articles and americans comments are evidences of it. They use "blacks and browns" for designating one group, and put this number in the house of 50% or more with the use of the "one drop rule". Without it it's impossible for Brazil to have 50% of "blacks and browns", since most people won't identify with it.

If you are really interested in seeing the rule in action then I invite to read through the last five Mark Wells articles and the comments after it.

Your "genetic research" claim is unbacked and even if it's true it doesn't prove anything.

If I may ask you, what is your forecast for Brazil in the Political,Economic and Social fronts in the next 4 years?

Political - Lula is going to have a government more corrupt than his first term and nobody is going to do anything. This will happen because no political party in Brazil can claim to be ethical, they are all involved in the corruption with PT. We saw this happening in the last term, PSDB, PFL, PMDB, PDT and others could not point the finger at Lula since they were all getting money from the "mensalao" (bribes in congress)

Economic - Brazil may see a major recession if the international markets fall, a crisis in Asia or the US (Last week was very scary for Brazil). Brazil grew 2.7% a year in the last 12 years, the international markets were perfectly well during this period, and can you imagine if they are bad in 2007, 2008 and 2009? The bottom line is: Brazil may grow in the next 4 years, but it will certainly under perform if compared to other developing nations. It will keep underperforming until Brazil completes the reforms necessary to build a concrete base for long term growth. I would look at Chile if investing in Latin America.

Social - The middle class will suffer more with the high taxes applied by the government, the Rich will accumulate more wealth and the poor will receive money that the middle class paid in taxes. In Brazil it is always the middle class that will pay the bill, in the next 4 years it will be worst.

I do not believe the link you provided would confirm anything you said so far. And genius the link you provided is not a genetic research. You do have a big problem interpreting stuff. Nobody in here denied that the United States has no racism; you are the one constantly denying racism. The United States did have a big racism problem in the past and still has racism, but they already started doing something. We in Brazil do not even recognize groups and their unique cultures, absurd and anti-democratic.

Quote from the author (Frank W. Sweet) of your link:
This essay defined the one-drop rule as hypodescent taken to absurd conclusion. It surveyed the writings of about two-dozen scholars to reveal a clear academic consensus that the one-drop rule is alive and well. It presented several examples of recent cases to show that the one-drop rule is routinely rejected, as well as other examples showing that it is equally often enforced. It explained that moral positioning and subconscious convictions make unsubstantiated assertions suspect. Finally, it examined census data on how interracial parents label their children to conclude that the one-drop rule may possibly become less fashionable, although advocating it will continue to be profitable.
Quote from A brazilian:

If it's so then Brazil has no racism. Nobody comments others "ancestry" or if the person has too many "african features". Morenos are perceived as morenos, not blacks.

You know this is not true, you have no ethical standard. I never heard the term 'moreno' applied to black people in Brazil. We definitely lived in different realities in Brazil. Inside families, country clubs, private schools people always discriminated against browns and blacks. Maybe you never heard since you are mixed, lucky for you.

Okay with all that being said. Blacks still shouldn't react the way they did because what your are saying is the truth. But I hope that all that read this comment understand that blackness in America has more to do with culture than how much black blood is flowing through your veins.

What can Brazilian's learn from African American's. Fight for protection under the law against the subtle and unspoken forms of discrimination for all, these forms of discrimination is just as bad if not worse than the overt.

Thank you Mr. Arthur Butler, I agree with you. I believe that A brazilian will not like your post.

I do not believe the link you provided would confirm anything you said so far. And genius the link you provided is not a genetic research.

As I said earlier, "genetic research" tells nothing about the US and the american culture. According to you:

This revolution began in the United States of America, so Americans are the ones destroying the idea of the "one drop of black blood rule".

The link proves this is not true. They aren't destroying it, they are, in fact, increasing it. They are going in the opposite way of science.

You do have a big problem interpreting stuff.

I have just demonstrated you are the one with problems.

We in Brazil do not even recognize groups and their unique cultures, absurd and anti-democratic.

We are all brazilians and we have one culture.

Brazilian:
If it's so then Brazil has no racism. Nobody comments others "ancestry" or if the person has too many "african features". Morenos are perceived as morenos, not blacks.

LVB:
You know this is not true, you have no ethical standard. I never heard the term 'moreno' applied to black people in Brazil. We definitely lived in different realities in Brazil. Inside families, country clubs, private schools people always discriminated against browns and blacks. Maybe you never heard since you are mixed, lucky for you.

What I said is entirely true and any brazilian can testify. Not for a second the ancestry of someone is put into question, it's more a matter of how the person looks. I studied in private schools and there was no discrimination because someone was visibly black, and, in many cases, the blacks would have many non-black friends and girl- or boyfriends.

And as commented earlier the term "mixed" is racist. If you believe in "mixed" then, logically, you also believe in "pure race". If you do believe in racial purity, then all your argumentation is based in fables from the 19th century. If that's true then you are no different than KKK members.

Mexico is correctly listed under "North America" because it is in North America, even though it is a Latin American country.

To say thaT THE USA is the only country that had racial problems is absurd. England has had it, and still does. Until recently Black tourists were frowned upon in Australia. All the scaninavian countries have it. Here in Brasil, blacks do not have equal opportunities, although they seem to be accepted socially. In the USA there are many black millionaires and CEO's of large companies. Where are they in Brasil? Take your head out of the sand. and don't believe everything you read.

To Blaacky

In the USA there are many black millionaires and CEO's of large companies. Where are they in Brasil

It is a very nice question you asked. I asked the same 25 years ago,when I had the opportunity to visit some of your finest state owned companies and coul not find a single Afro-Brazilian executive. I have met some smart Afro-Brazilian engineers,but they could not go up the corporate ladder,because of their skin color.

The difference between Brazil and U.S. is that the former closes its eyes on any problem and says "tudo bem" and the latter recognizes that there is a problem and tries to solve it.

TO: Mr.Van Beethoven

Thank you very much for answering my question regarding Brazil during the next 4 years. I do appreciate your views. BtW, you should participate more often in this forum.

Thank you once again.

It is a very nice question you asked. I asked the same 25 years ago,when I had the opportunity to visit some of your finest state owned companies and coul not find a single Afro-Brazilian executive. I have met some smart Afro-Brazilian engineers,but they could not go up the corporate ladder,because of their skin color.

The difference between Brazil and U.S. is that the former closes its eyes on any problem and says "tudo bem" and the latter recognizes that there is a problem and tries to solve it.

Without any specific data this equals wishful thinking.

In the USA there are many black millionaires and CEO's of large companies. Where are they in Brasil? Take your head out of the sand. and don't believe everything you read.

Everywhere.

This article was impressive only on how it played to people's desire to see the USA as a non-caring and non-international crazed country, There are certain elements like that...as there are in every country but most people are too busy living their lives to give a damn where Bolivia or Brazil is located....could anyone here say without thinking hard where all other countries are located in the world? Does anyone care? Does it impact their lives? How about even where Montana in the US located? Of course not, politics and knowledge are always local...and international knowledge is always of a highly limited nature (even in Europe John..or is that ESPECIALLY in Europe). The whole race thingy was a cheap gimick.....and I thought you said that you looked at outdates sites...does that mean you basically are being polemical over nothing?

could anyone here say without thinking hard where all other countries are located in the world?

Anybody that attended to elementary school can tell at least where the continents are and to which continent a country belongs to. And I think any non-retarded individual can tell what country he is now (about the "Bolivia" thing).

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written by A brazilian, 2007-03-06 14:32:15

In the USA there are many black millionaires and CEO's of large companies. Where are they in Brasil? Take your head out of the sand. and don't believe everything you read.



Everywhere.

Name 10.

In the USA there are many black millionaires and CEO's of large companies. Where are they in Brasil? Take your head out of the sand. and don't believe everything you read.

Everywhere.

Name 10.

The obligation of proving belongs to the accuser. My affirmation was just as valid as his, since he shows no evidence whatsoever I think we are even.

You want me to name 10 black American CEO's, or black americans worth hundreds of millions or billions of dollars???


I can name at least 50 at the drop of a hat!


Name 10 black CEO's of brazilian companies.....you said they were "everywhere". I don't see them!

to make the statement that I and others that have my same beliefs "lie". You are a f**king criminal Baghdad Bob. You should be ashamed of yourself. You are a shame to brazil!

I can name at least 50 at the drop of a hat!

You are comical, what does it prove?

Name 10 black CEO's of brazilian companies.....you said they were "everywhere". I don't see them!

Who should prove it is the guy that claimed Brazil didn't have them.

Abe, do not be ridiculous ,you have to prove what you said. You are just like 99% of brazilians, you ask people for proof of everything, we show it and than you always say its false or wrong. When somebody asks you for the same you say the rule does not apply to you. Your ignorance just amazes me. Even for brazilian levels, you have your own category.

It is a pleasure to discuss with people that have knowledge and understand the difficulties we face in Brazil. Thank you, Mr. Murphy.

Abe, do not be ridiculous ,you have to prove what you said.

Why do people make ridiculous claims about Brazil and don't need to prove anything? I am just doing the same.

Your ignorance just amazes me.

Ad hominem.

Try again.

Do you even know what Ad hominem means? I will give you a tip, my comment was not an argument. I made a statement.

Because there are not 10, probably can't name 2 who are not football players. As always, Abe pulling it out of his as...the epipitimy of a Brazilian moron.

I interpreted as being related to the argument made previously about CEOs, that I wrote "Everywhere" right after. Maybe it was too fast for you to catch.

Are you still here? Go screw your cousin.

You continue to amaze.

A Brazilian

Are you still here? Go screw your cousin.

Please do mind your manners

I said please mind your manners

Last time I was in Brazil I probably screwed your mother.

GTY

Please mind your manners too.You dont have to stoop to his level. He has been insulting people calling them idiots and other ugly names. I told him in one of my posts that "Que vem do baixo não me atinge". This guy seems to be totally illogical and live in an eternal state of self denial.

the most stupid president in the world.

Costinha

What does your comment do with the main issue under discussion?

Abe, I'd still like to see you name 10 black CEOs in brazil.
Unfortunately for you we CAN actually find and name 10 or more prominent black CEOs in the states.
It's sad your advertising companys in Brazil tend to ban any sort of advertising promoting anything but white faces on products.
hint hint.
There are no Black CEOs in Brazil, get your head out of your ass dude and admit it's an undeniably racist.

Abe
written by Ludwig Van Beethoven, 2007-03-06 18:02:40

Abe, do not be ridiculous ,you have to prove what you said. You are just like 99% of brazilians, you ask people for proof of everything, we show it and than you always say its false or wrong. When somebody asks you for the same you say the rule does not apply to you. Your ignorance just amazes me. Even for brazilian levels, you have your own category.

B-I-N-G-O!


That is Baghdad Bob's M.O. to a tee!

Mr.Ludwig Van Beethoven

Which state in Brazil are you from? Let me guess: from PR?

No, I am from Sao Paulo. Parana is a beautiful state, have you been there?

Mr.Ludwig Van Beethoven

Thanks once again. Yes, I have been to PR and the interior of SP too. I did not particularly like the capital of SP. The interior of SP and PR have lots of things in common and I loved to interact with the people there. Curitiba,Maringa and Londrina are beautiful. One thing I loved about people from PR is that they are "Pacific,but not submissive" ( I am quoting your ex minister of FAB, Brig. Moreira Franco,who said this about the Brazilian people in general). BTW, I should not compliment just the Paulistas and Paranaenses. I have visited lots of your states and found that 98 % of the qualified professionals to be serious, patriotic and are willing to discuss the issues and solve the problems.However, after 1985, the things changed and (of course you know why!).In my opinion, the problems of Brazil are not all that insurmountable. It just takes political will power. (Please do refer to your answer to my question about the scenario for Brazil for the next 4 years-You said it all). It requires open minded people like you,Ric and my other great Brazilian friends to come out with a long term strategy for Brazil to grow. That is the reason why I requested you to continue participating in this forum.

That is the reason why I requested you to continue participating in this forum.

Soon you two will be married. Hehehe. Yes, I would like to see the types of LVB "to come up with a long term strategy", hahahaha.

A Brazilian

I have been reading the exchange of messages between you and many other members in this forum. You have a clear mind and very logical. I am really impressed with the sharpness o your mind. You are a big asset to your country and my sincere congratulations for standing up against the entire world.

I am just curious. Did you try to come to our country as a wet back or swimming across the Gulf of Mexico. If you did not succeed in your previous attempts,it is time you try again. Our country needs people like you with lucid mind and with great knowledge of the World.Welcome to U.S. Of A

Try again. This one didn't work.

written by A brazilian, 2007-03-07 21:34:51

Try again. This one didn't work.

I see E Harmony is over at your place. Be careful, you can catch something when those things "don't work".

A Brazilian

How can conquer you? Please enlighten me.You are such a darling.If you have any problem of coming to our country,please do not hesitate to ask my help. If you cant make it, I would be delighted to visit you. BTW, how is the weather down there?

This one didn't work either, and sounded kind of gay. I am not interested in meeting men.

A Brazilan

What is wrong in being a gay?. Do you have any objections?. Now, my luv, I am very hurt.

He has proven himself to be a racist and a homophobe...and he is quick to call all Americans Rednecks? What is the Brazilian equivellent of the KKK??

Here in Sampa.... Skinheads are called "Carecas" But Carecas do not like A brazilian, he is mixed.... os carecas nao gostam de moreninho...

The "Carecas do ABC" (ABC region skinheads, in Portuguese) is a skinhead group based on the region of ABC, in the metropolitan area of São Paulo. The ABC region is formed by the industrial cities of Santo André, São Bernardo do Campo and São Caetano do Sul.
The group is accused of the murder of a homossexual at São Paulo's Downtown, in the year 2003.

Wikipedia.org

Look at this site of the University of Tel Aviv in Israel:

http://www.tau.ac.il/Anti-Semitism/asw2000-1/brazil.htm

http://www.tau.ac.il/Anti-Semi...brazil.htm

If they can´t do anything for A brazilian, call in the TFP.

So you build your life based on someone else's belief. What does it tell about you? Carecas, black activists, and any form of racism is the same thing to me, i.e., trash.

Paulistano, the link you posted is laughable. First they don't even get the number of the population right, it's currently over 190 million.

Second, have you taken a look at the numbers of the allegedly groups in there? They are around 100 - 300 or even less for each, that in a country with 190 million! Note that even among the "carecas" they won't discriminate someone based on ancestry like a neo-nazi in the US would, this doesn't make it good but it gives a notion to the readers of what this is about.

Brazil is the least racist country in the world, and by reading the crap we see here so often I am learning to value it everytime more.

"For Whites Only" signs, non-whites public restrooms, back of the bus for negores...and the like!

That's exclusive an american thing!

Right, there is not currently nor has there ever been any "racial friction" in Brazil. Everyone just ignores the fact that discrimation here is de facto rather than explicit.

..back of the bus for negores. But I have seen back of the truck for Nelores. And they are sacred to many. I think of your posts every time a truck loaded with them rolls thru the cancela.

How many times do I have to flush you down the toilet?

Can´t tell me you have a flush toilet. Maybe I am not understanding you, your pronunciation may be so bad that Third sounds like Terd.

Just don´t name your dog Thor.

Hi, I´m Costa. I live at 1333 E. 33rd Street. This is my dog, Thor. His mother was a beach. His fodder was a Fila.

THERE ARE FUNGUS GROWING BETWEEN YOUR EARS…

Might be more accurate but thanks for the tip, how did you know, are you clairvoyant? And how did you know I was cixelsyd and retarded? What has that extra chromosone done for you? And if you´re so smart, why ain´t you rich? I´m going to the states soon, can I pick you up a Porta Potty?

Rickie Prickie.... You should never drink on an empty head!

Urine a position to know, so thanx for the tip.

Look at this site of the University of Tel Aviv in Israel:


http://www.tau.ac.il/Anti-Semitism/asw2000-1/usa.htm

Hwo exacly was in the death squad that murderd all the homeless children in brazil? Be cuz met this guy "ed suarez" that bragged about how his uncle was in charge of that in humane event. and he is connected with the c,I,a he say's.

I have spent quite alot of time in Brazil. They do not like Bush yes but they will be a 3rd rate economic power until they fix this.

And in regards race: Brazilian blacks are a whole lot more classy than American blacks....at least in the south of the country. My wife is 1/2 black brazilian. All well and good but I would NEVER consider marrying an american black women. It may sound unkind but its just the truth.