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Let's Stop the Prejudice Against Brazil Starting with This Site PDF Print E-mail
Written by Luis Carlos de Oliveira   
Thursday, 08 March 2007 11:42

From the Brazilian movie Doutores da Alegria - Joý's Doctors Bush's visit to Latin America: A time for reflecting about the so-called "anti-Americanism" in the region. For a couple of months I've been spending some of my precious daily time reading what is going on in this very important site about Brazil. I say important because it is written in English what makes its content more widespread, which wouldn't happen if it was written in Portuguese.

On the other hand, the fact that is written in English makes this site unknown to the majority of the population of Brazil. Just a handful of people can read the texts in their entirety and even fewer Brazilians are able to express their opinions by writing their arguments in the open forums in the site.

The articles that source the open forums are normally very well written, and in most cases one can feel that the authors have surveyed the subject and try their best in order to inform the readers with the right facts and showing them their knowledge about the theme.

But, that is not what happens to the hundreds, thousands of comments that viewers to the site contribute in the open forum.

Therefore, what we mostly see here is a bunch of unidentified people, all writing in English, that can say whatever they want, without any proof at all to the facts that they are talking about.

While the original texts are long and in some cases complex, the comments are mostly short and sometimes from the original theme. I most of the themes, we see people intervening in the forum with inappropriate comments and false statements, mostly pejorative, about Brazil itself and about the Brazilian people in general.

Since most of the Brazilian people mentioned in those interventions do not read or write en English - and therefore can't defend their positions - those pejorative and sometime false statements appear to the readers all throughout the world as being true and a false impression about the theme is spread out, causing a "snowball" effect on how foreigners in general may think about Brazil.

I am not saying that this is a paradise. Far from this, but, several times we read comments and statements that are not true at all.

For instance, in the forum that follows the report on the case on the accident with flight 1907 - where the passengers of the Boeing jet were brought down by the executive Legacy jet - there are some people, presumably Americans, who spread out such an amount of unproved statements - sometimes nothing more than just grotesque lies - trying to make the case to appear as an unquestionable and fatal fault of the Brazilian authorities and their "antiquated equipment, problematic for decades", as vastly stated there...

It has already been shown in the same forum that the average of air accidents in Brazil is about 30% less than the average of similar accidents in the whole world, and the "antiquated equipment" was mostly bought brand new from the USA and supervised by international flight safety agencies.

But, what is being shown in the forum and comes up to the regular visitor from all around the world, is that the Brazilian air traffic controllers are the only ones who caused the accident, and that's it!

Even inappropriate mentions to the dangers of Carnaval and tourism in Brazil are made when discussing the subject in the web, inviting people not to come visit Brazil if they want to preserve their lives. It is unbelievable how people can be nasty!

The case is still under investigation by the justice, but some of the spectators of the accident have already chosen who is guilty...

The way these spectators interact with the forum shows an articulated plan to impose "their" truth - written in English of course - so nobody else but those who read and write English can contest what is being stated by those gentlemen.

Besides these unquestionable facts above, there are in those interventions at the forum what we call here a heavy trace of "ranço" (rancidity) of imperialistic, xenophobic and sometimes "racial supremacy" demonstration in the way those participants express themselves, several times declaring that this is a country of idiots and second-class citizens.

There is another example of what these people spread out about Brazil and Brazilians: the report - and subsequent open forum- from Forrest Allen Brown and his incredible boat called Roamdeep. Based on what he writes this country and its officials are a bunch of middle-age pirates living in a place that has no law at all.

I've personally called the chief of police in Cabedelo, in the northeastern state of Paraíba, where all that happened and the story doesn't seem to be exactly the way Mr. Brown reports. They are going to send me a copy of the public prosecution that took place at the local branch of the Justice department, and I will be glad to contest what has been written in that forum. Beginning with the legal condition of Mr. Brown and his boat upon his arrival into the country.

Anyone can feel that a lot of undesirable problems took place in Cabedelo, but, the worse that it could be, this gentleman couldn't ever say "it may be pay back for all the killing I did in Nam [Vietnam], or just to test me to see if i want to start again. Will be going back to Brazil very soon in a smaller boat with lots of arms and a will that it wont happen again without some ones life going out."

If anyone has the time to spend reading the impressive amount of manifests about Brazil and about Brazilians that are stored in the www.brazzil.com and its open forums, he will realize that mostly are pejorative considerations about this country and its population.

No one can state that they are all written by Americans, but, this site is put there mainly to advise Americans and foreign people visiting or having business with this country in South America, and by reading the posts I wouldn't ever put my foot here if I were a foreigner.

Then one says: But, we have freedom of speech and so we can say whatever we want.

Of course. Freedom of speech is one of the best achievements of humankind and has to be maintained. No doubt about it, but, isn't it time for us to separate the bad apples from the good ones and enforce the truth? Isn't it time for us to join the efforts of your government in trying to recuperate the time already lost with Latin America and quit this thing of supremacy and superiority?

Don't you guys in the USA think that it is more than time to achieve a better relationship with the rest of the Americas?

If the answer is yes, then, I believe that the traditional way of Americans from the USA to think about Americans from other American countries and their population has to have a re-alignment, specially in relation to the way some people like the ones at the forums refer to their brothers and sisters below Rio Grande (up until Ushuaia!).

It is time to combat the cause of the so called "anti-Americanism" by killing it at the birth, because if that feeling is present in our day-to-day, one of the reasons is because the synthesis of the majority of what has been posted in this site is the fuse that is igniting that sentiment. And most of these blind words of hate are written by those so-called Americans "patriots"...

Let us welcome President Bush and listen to what he has to tell us, but, let us also point to him some obscure matters that he and his government need to know about. The filled-with-prejudice written contents of this forum is one of these things.

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I disagree
written by kungfuadam, March 08, 2007
I disagree with you. Anti-Americanism is rampant in Brazil. I have read false anti-American views in both in Portuguese language and English language sources. Now, as far as our current leader, I have read that 60% is anti-Bush, which is the lowest approval rating in the world.
Well written
written by A brazilian, March 08, 2007
Most are americans, but one of the most vicious haters is ch.c, he is from Switzerland. The quantity of lies and irrationality is incredible. I think, for the sake of the quality of the site, the forums should be moderated.
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written by A brazilian, March 08, 2007
Anti-Americanism is rampant in Brazil


That's not true and you haven't provided any data. Judging for the priceless pieces of thought in these forums we are likely to believe that's the exact opposite, "anti-brown people" is rampant from the americans.
Mr. Oliveira
written by Ludwig Van Beethoven, March 08, 2007
Ha, tell me Mr. Oliveira. What prejudices are you talking about? I am Brazilian and most of the prejudices I am reading here is of Brazilians against Americans. Stop playing the victim, we all know that this is not the case. To be a true Brazilian is to recognize its problems and try to fix it. Regarding Mr. Brown, are you sure we can trust this Paraiba police officer? Brazil is famous for having a very corrupt police.
US soul-search vs Brazil
written by mafagafo, March 08, 2007
This site is more about the US soul-search, with references to Nam and racism in Brazil, than just about Brazil.

It's difficult for an American black to see that black people in Brazil do not want to be black. It's equally difficult for an American white to see that white people in Brazil do not want to be white. Brazilians would rather be happy, exactly by ignoring those same division lines that US americans want to value -- with divisive inventions like Kwanza, "blacks buy from blacks", and "ethnic values" (read: segregation).

It's also difficult for Brazilians to understand that their actions may be judged by others outside Brazil and, worse, without using the values used in Brazil.

But that's why this forum may be useful. To bring the gold of understanding out of the rocks of criticism.

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written by Ludwig Van Beethoven, March 08, 2007
No Sir, the reality is that my fellow Brazilians do not have something called: Vergonha!
LVB
written by A brazilian, March 08, 2007
Being "famous" is not evidence, even if that were true. And nobody is playing victim, I have said the same many times, the level of hate messages of this forum is simply ridiculous. If you start analyzing one by one the articles and comments you will see that if any attack is made to the US it is because of some blatant lie or offense made by one of usual troglodytes.
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written by Ludwig Van Beethoven, March 08, 2007
So, you want to control the site. Are you part of the Partido dos Trabalhadores. Yep, our current federal government always played the victim of the military and now they want to control the media in Brazil just as Chavez in Venezuela. I always suspected you have something to do with PT.
Okay, how will you start
written by Ric, March 08, 2007
In your quest to silence the posters. Since all internet runs through the states and is owned by the states, and this site is hosted somewhere between the ten and the Pasadena freeway, what will you do first? In fact, isn´t it a little disingenuous to use a medium invented and maintained by the Americans to bash the states and take offense at criticism of Brazil?

Have you compared the vitriol in the anti-American posts with the language in the anti-Brazilian posts? Have you counted how many of each in a given period and then compared them statistically? Seems like a good place to start, El Cid.

Much of what is said about Brazil is unfair; and much of what is said about the USA is also unfair.

The tradition of freedom of the press in the states is much older and more firmly defended than in most South American countries.

But the big picture here is that the horse has gotten out of the corral, and isn´t going back. The web has changed forever the ability to manage news, and to keep unwanted info or tech or whatever either in or out of a country. I suggest you suck it up and learn to live with it. And I hope your desabafamento has done you good.

Have you seen some of the recent political cartoons in the sates recently? There´s an old saying, "If you can´t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen."

Criticism of the States, from me: What kind of a country has a judicial system so messed up that Scooter Libby has been convicted of multiple felonies while nothing is done about Sandy Berger?

Remember, stuffing paper in one´s kwecas is just another American invention. Our guy did it before your guy. Both seem to be enjoying Total Impunity.
Protests in Brazil.
written by Ludwig Van Beethoven, March 08, 2007
Look at this Mr. Oliveira, we even have a state governor in the protest, they are breaking everything. Are you sure the Americans are the problem? You are such a coward to publish this here.


http://noticias.uol.com.br/uol...6u394.jhtm
http://noticias.uol.com.br/ult...brefoto=15
The difficult of grasping what is being said
written by A brazilian, March 08, 2007
Ric, you have demonstrated an enourmous difficulty in understanding what the author is saying. He is not advocating censorship or control of the messages, he is simply point some obvious flaws in this website. The messages here, in its vast majority, are americans and they demonstrate a profound ignorance about what happens in Brazil. Either that or simply an irrational hate for everything related to Brazil and brazilians.

The problem is not the ignorance by itself, but these messages are portrayed in this site as "true" for anybody in the rest of the world to see. All these false claims and hatred for anybody else in the world see, and that have a snowball effect of promoting prejudice against Brazil.

I think it's unbelievable anybody to claim that "anti-americanism" is rampant. The US is not the target of any of these articles, when this pops up is simply as a matter of showing the americans the realities of their own country before they speak about ours. A simple defense against stupidity.

KungFu
written by CalSur, March 08, 2007
"I have read that 60% is anti-Bush, which is the lowest approval rating in the world."

I have some news for you...those numbers about Bush are the same as in the US. Approval ratings are in the mid 30's. As for the article, even when I have tried to be civil, I am immediatly bashed by the anti-American Brazilians who frequent this site, some who work for this site. The articles are sometimes interesting, but most often slanted against the US.

I am however, very interested in the author's interest in Forest's boat story, please give us the Brazilian side, I am open minded.
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written by ggdfgdg, March 08, 2007
Criticism of the States, from me: What kind of a country has a judicial system so messed up that Scooter Libby has been convicted of multiple felonies while nothing is done about Sandy Berger?


Ha! You wanna talk about the US judicial system being messed up? Please look at YOUR judicial system before judging ours.
I don't get it
written by notsouglyamerican, March 08, 2007
So, on the one hand the author claims that he isn't sure who is writing what, people can say anything without proof on the internet.
Yet, every bad statement from someone who claims to be American is obviously an American according to the author. I guess AMericans are the only ones who speak english in the entire world?
Look, anyone of intelligence ,when reading this forum can figure out who is making stuff up, who is saying nasty things, and who is being untruthful. Most also understand that most of what is being said is opinion.

No nation is perfect, no leader is perfect and no individual is perfect.
Personally, while only visiting Brazil a few times, in my mind I picture it a paradise, or at least as close as one can get. Funny thing, I think the same thing ( though the though is fading) about my good 'ol beloved USA
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written by A brazilian, March 08, 2007
Look at this Mr. Oliveira, we even have a state governor in the protest, they are breaking everything. Are you sure the Americans are the problem?


What does it have to do with this article and with this website? The problem is many don't have any notion of what they are talking about, they think this site is a means of "punishing Brazil" for whatever reason they think it should be. So is it ok to demonstrate hatred towards Brazil?
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written by Ludwig Van Beethoven, March 08, 2007
TO THE WORLD

THE MAJORITY OF THE THINGS SAID IN THIS SITE REGARDING BRAZIL ARE TRUE, IF YOU WANT TO GO TO PARADISE, DO NOT COME TO BRAZIL. READ THE NEWS, WE DO NOT NEED TO SHOW IT TO YOU. READ THE NEWS. GO TO GOOGLE NEWS AND SEARCH BRAZILIAN NEWS. ASK BRAZILIANS WHAT THEY THINK, IF THEY ARE TRULY YOUR FRIEND THEY WILL TELL YOU THE TRUTH.

FROM A TRUE HONEST BRAZILIAN
LVB
written by A brazilian, March 08, 2007
You are going everytime lower. Tell those people that the "honest brazilian" haven't lived in Brazil for a very long time. As for the rest it's not even worth mentioning, you should try to sell "advices". You know, if that kind of thing were good people would sell it, not give it for free.
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written by Ludwig Van Beethoven, March 08, 2007
THERE IS MORE, IN THE RECENT MONTHS PORTUGUESE, FRENCH, AMERICANS, CANADIANS, ITALIANS HAVE ALL BEEN KILLED DURING THEIR TRIP TO BRAZIL. LAST WEEK 3 FRENCH CITIZENS. ONE AMERICAN CITIZEN WAS BEATEN INSIDE THE RESTROOM OF THE AIRPORT IN SAO PAULO, THEY TOOK EVERYTHING AND THE GUY WAS IN BRAZIL FOR A FEW MINUTES ONLY. BE CAREFUL. VIOLENCE IN BRAZIL IS OUT OF CONTROL. WE HAVE VIOLENCE LEVELS OF WAR ZONES.
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written by Ludwig Van Beethoven, March 08, 2007
READ THE REPORT OF THE AMERICAN CONSULATE IN SAO PAULO, IF YOU DO NOT BELIEVE ME.

http://saopaulo.osac.gov/Repor...ntID=41238

LVB, quit lying
written by A brazilian, March 08, 2007
Do you never give up? The link you posted are just recommendations for american visitors, I would think the same if I went anywhere I didn't know. Things like violence or if you will be targetted for any reason (money, race, religion, etc) are things everybody should ask themselves before leaving to another country. You will find similarly dangerous places in the US as well.

Nothing in the document says anything about "warzones" or does any stupid as you do. Are you really brazilian?
This site is own & run by arrogant americans.
written by Costinha, March 08, 2007
with misinformation and disinformation. Typical CIA tactics. I am surprised these gringo bitches have not yet referred to President Lula as a strong man, or Lula's regime, just like they do with other countries that does not agree with the murderous american foreign policy!

Bush...go home cowboy, you are not welcome here in Brasil!
LVB – Little Vermin Bastard
written by Costinha, March 08, 2007
I bet your car's rearview mirror reads"Warning: Objects in mirror are dumber than they appear"


Hehehe....freaking loser!
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written by Ludwig Van Beethoven, March 08, 2007
OH, THERE IS ALSO THE 'COSTINHAS' AND 'A BRAZILIANS' THAT HATE AMERICANS, IF YOU ARE AMERICAN YOU SHOULD BE EVEN MORE CAREFUL. THESE IGNORANTS RAGS DO NOT UNDERSTAND ANYTHING AND BLAME THE UNITED STATES FOR EVERYTHING THAT GOES WRONG IN BRAZIL. FOR THEM BRAZIL HAS NO RACISM, NO ECONOMICAL PROBLEMS, NO CORRUPTION, A PERFECT SOCIETY. BRAZILIANS THAT WANT TO DISCUSS AND SOLVE OUR PROBLEMS ARE TREATED WITH TOTAL DISRESPECT BY THESE SO CALLED BRAZILIANS.
Same old stuff.
written by Old one, March 08, 2007
smilies/grin.gif Somebody saying that ATM not working in Brazil, as if Its only in Brazil. I went to US, and several times, with an european card, the ATM did not work. My US citizen friends gave more precautions about walking in NY than any where else in Brazil. Stupid people. Common sense is the key. Rest all who fume on this site, that Brazil is a war zone, are just troubled in their own lives, and are puking all over here.
Luis Carlos de Oliviera
written by Thomas Ernst, March 08, 2007
I read and I listen in a few languages... The attacks and negativity I find are from a few on both the left and the right. I have been traveling to South America since 1970. I first came here to play water polo in the Pan American games in Cali, Colombia. There has been much change, some good and some bad. I was in Chile while Allende was there, I knew Angel Parra and his mother sent me an incredibly sad letter on his and his sisters death at the hands of the same kinds of extremists (leftist and right wing) that are responding here. Brasil is an incredibly diverse place and it is ignorant to draw any conclusions from the garbage that is written here at times. All the people I know that actually visit and live in Brasil speak of it w/ carinho. Countries are people not governments or companies. Tolerance is at a low point these days and it makes me sad. So to all those who judge a country on it's government or it's companies.....Go s**t in your hat and pull it over your ears.
MAYBE
written by Ric, March 08, 2007
Costinha has a copyright on references to s**t. Watch yerself.
To Old One
written by Ludwig Van Beethoven, March 08, 2007
Really, if I wanted to discuss the United States I would go to another site, because clearly 'A brazilian' and 'costinha' or yourself are specialists in the United States. The theme of this site is BRAZIL and not the United States. Can we please discuss Brazil now?

Thomas Ernst is clearly a fraud played by 'A brazilian', only a moron would write what he did, repair and compare what the two wrote.
LVB – Little Vermin Bastard - Part 2
written by cOSTINHA, March 08, 2007
LVB ...Yet another idiot suffering from diarrhea of the mouth and constipation of the ideas.

You know nothing of Brasil...sua bizerra problematica!

Don’t you ever have a point to your posts beyond giving your fingers some exercise by dancing them randomly over the keyboard? I THINK YOU NEED AN ENMA!
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written by Ludwig Van Beethoven, March 08, 2007
Ah e babaca? onde voce vive palhaco... Eu nasci nesta merda de pais onde retardados como voce e A brazilian nao conseguem ou melhor nao tem educacao para discutir nada. Imbecil....
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written by Ludwig Van Beethoven, March 08, 2007
Voce nao eh homem para discutir os nossos problemas... Voce so sabe apontar o dedo para os outros. Petista retardado...
Costinha
written by Ludwig Van Beethoven, March 08, 2007
Na sua escola de malandragem, eu sou professor amigao... cresce e aparece...
LVB - Lindo Viado Brasileiro
written by Costinha, March 08, 2007
Hahaha....sua bobona problematica.....QUER ENTRAR NA PORRADA MARIQUINHA…JA TO ESPORRANDO NA SUA HOMENAGEM!


TO NO CHÃO ROLANDO COM A SUA MÃE SENDO ENRABADA AQUI DO MEU LADO! A VELHA p**a ADORA UMA GOTA DE PORRA

Beijos Viada!
The guy thought he had a good one
written by Ric, March 08, 2007
When a certain product first came in here, guy is looking in the trash cans for stuff, sees a neatly wrapped package, looks both ways, removes it, carefully opens it up.......then in disgust throws the used disposable diaper back in the trash can.

If it had been Costa with his poo fetish, he would have savored the smell, dipped his finger in the stuff, tasted it, carefully folded it back up and put it in his pocket.

With Costa, skat is where it´s at. You should love your enemas, Costa.
Lindo Viado Brasileiro, Valente Internauta!
written by Costinha, March 08, 2007
Traidor rejeitado..... Vem pra ca lhe me a porrada.

Bota cerol no teu rabo pra tu sofere, cadela.

VOLTE PRO ZOOLOGICO, MACACA....Beijo na bunda!
Rick - The Fag
written by Costinha, March 08, 2007
Inconsequential amrican faggot... Why don't you bite your tongue and die from acid poisoning and Kiss My Arse!

f**k Bush, the usa and all americans.
Costa
written by Ric, March 08, 2007
O ignorante na privada da vida.
Privada Da Vida
written by Ric, March 08, 2007
Jut realized that PDV is the name of Venezeuela´s Brazlian gas stations. Tem coisa?
WHY PEOPLE BELIEVE AMERICANS ARE STUPID??
written by lULU, March 08, 2007
To the bloggers
written by Ludwig Van Beethoven, March 08, 2007
Costinha told me everything. He is from the Northeast, a teenager, an illegal in the USA, has no education and can talk only using profanity, his Portuguese is worst than his English. Sad, A brazilian and Costinha are the future of Brazil....
mlite9
written by mlite9, March 08, 2007
mafogafo wrote:

"It's also difficult for Brazilians to understand that their actions may be judged by others outside Brazil and, worse, without using the values used in Brazil."

Welcome to the world. The United States is hated the world over, but we are also the place everybody seems to want to go. Especially Central and South Americans, it seems.

No nation does as much for others as does America. No nation stands up for oppressed peoples like America. No nation gives as much aid as America, only to see those aided nations thumb their noses at us, or use the funds to support terrorism.

According to some, America cannot do anything right. If our borders are too open, we are criticized. If we tighten immigration, we are oppressing the poor. The aid is never too much, but frequently not enough. What if the assistance stopped altogether? Then what? The same criticism. America cannot win in public opinion, so we have learned to do what is right instead.

We do not give as much importance to the voices of our internal enemies as those outside our borders seem to. This is known as free speech.

Our President visits your nation and others in spite of the protests. Soon we will elect another one, and you can find something else to complain about.
to Carlos da Oliveira !
written by ch.c.., March 08, 2007
- Is it the fault of the forum members that this site decided to publish articles in English ?
- Is the fault of the forum members that few Brazilians speak English.....due to their low or inexistant....EDUCATION ? Or is the fault of the Brazilian Government and politicians not providing a good education ?????
- Is Brazil NOT a free speech country ?
- Why do you feel that the forum members are more acid against Brazilians than the articles authors themselves ? Looks like you have never yet
spent of your so precious time reading the article from Cristovam Buarque, ex presidential candidate, ex governor, and ex Education Minsiter !!!!!!
- Same for articles written by John Fitzpatrick !!!
- Have you never read insult in this site by Brazilians against Bush, America, or against EU ?
- Loooks like that you remember what pleases your brains....only !!!!!

- And is it the fault of forum members if Brazil has a very bad rep**ation, written ALL over the BRAZILIAN MEDIAS, concerning crimes, robbers, impunity, corruption, lack of infrastructure, under nourrishmnent, hunger, deaths squads, children labor, slavery, lack of healthcare ???????

- And is it the fault of the forum members if Brazil is usually ranked poorly....at best.....in comparisons rankings done by International Agencies or whoever on the subject of ....doing business, wealth inequality, economic growth rate, interests rates........just to name a few ??????

Yessssss Carlos da Oliveira, the reality in Brazil is quite much bleaker than you may suggest !!!!!!!! I can only suggest to be more specific on your claim, that some members critic
Brazil wihtout any arguments or knowledge because it appears that my critics for whatever reasons are always with due sources, usually from articles...ON THIS SITE....YOU PROBABLY DID NOT READ.....due to your so precious time !

Yessssss avoiding Brazil is one way to live longer, wether you like or not ! Just read to what your criminals have done to many foreigners ! One has been cut in pieces...a few months ago ! 2 or 3 times buses full of tourist have been highjacked and robbed. Even your finance Minister and your Police Chief have been robbed !!!!!!
Be proud. Take the defense of such people !!! And in your view no one should say something when many innocents citizens or youths even brazilians are murdered...every day of the week !!!!!

Be proud. Take the defense of such people !!!



It is quite funny you make no comments against brazilian forum members who calls Bush or America...Nazi or criminals or say that the USA use slaves.....while you know perfectly that the Nazis after the war escaped in Latam including Brazil by the thousands and thousands and you accepted them...against payment of big cash of course.
And to my knowledge slaves are in Brazil not in the USA. The Brazilians in the USA want in fact avoid the Brazilian slavery...which is quite different. they even pay US$ 10'000.-
to leave their own country and enter illegally in the USA !!!!!! Laugh....laugh...laugh..... !!!!

Yesssss....you too Carlos da Oliveira is a brazilian junkie like so many brazilians in this forum !!!!!!!
To lULU
written by ch.c.., March 08, 2007
If people only believe that Americans are idiots, that is fine !
My point being that all the world people KNOW that Brazilians ARE idiots !

Quite a difference !

Brazil is in a miserable state of anarchy ! Nothing grow except corruption, impunity, crimes...and uneducated people !!!!
And you are a bunch of beggars, constantly begging to receive something but giving nothing in return !!!!!

The word RECIPROCITY is not in your dictionary and even less in your culture and education !
Again to da Oliveira :
written by ch.c.., March 08, 2007
what do you mean by : written by people without any proof at all to the facts that they are talking about !

Please give a few specific examples precisely ! I will answer you precisely...toooo...with my sources as references !!!!!

Show this audience how smart and knowledgable you are, and how stupid we are ! Please take the challenge ! Please please do !!!!!!

Laugh....laugh....laugh
To A Brazilian !
written by ch.c.., March 08, 2007
funny your statement :when this pops up is simply as a matter of showing the americans the realities of their own country before they speak about ours. A simple defense against stupidity.

And what do you think is the reality in Brazil ? Better or worse than in the USA ?????? Thus why do millions of Brazilians prefer to live in the USA, even illegally, rather than live
in their charming and peacful home country ?????? And I don not take in account the many more millions dreaming of leaving the country....yet !!!!!

Quite strange that despite the USA has a far mor larger population than Brazil, relatively few americans live in Brazil, and even fewer....illegally !!!!!

Have you ever thought....WHY ?????? Your analysis is welcomed !

And by the way, I am not American, but European residing in my european home country !
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written by A brazilian, March 08, 2007
Thus why do millions of Brazilians prefer to live in the USA, even illegally, rather than live in their charming and peacful home country


They believe they will have a better life there, but soon they learn the story is not like that. I have been repeating this all the time and you always ignore, this is how gangs lure people to go to other countries for then to be enslaved and exploited. This is not something to be proud of, americans should realize that illegal immigration is a huge business, american businesses not only exploit those workers but the demand for such unskilled work finances many criminal activities.

And when you compare "illegal immigrants" tell about those that go to work in remote rural areas too. All of your examples of immigrants are from great urban centers.

relatively few americans live in Brazil


You have no data for doing such claim.

Your analysis is welcomed


I have given my analysis many times, but you are too obtuse to understand. Try to learn about slave work in Europe, either woman in prostitution or in other areas, you will see that this is what happens in the US.
Ch.c is mentally ill
written by A brazilian, March 08, 2007
they even pay US$ 10'000.-to leave their own country and enter illegally in the USA


Disturbed individual. Do you know how to read? People don't pay 10000 upfront, they pay little by little with percentages of what they gain. They are dealing with criminals, not a tourism agency.
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written by e harmony, March 08, 2007
Mr Luis Carlos de Oliveira,

The Americans (USA) and those Americans (USA) presenting themselves as Brazilians are the ones that look bad on this site. Ever wonder why Americans or people that hate Brazil or think so low of it would frequent the site? Let me put it to you this way, if Bush thought little of Brazil would he be flying to Brazil? A teach I admire, who has spent years in unions, and who has an advanced degree once told myself and other students, "when you negotiate, negotiate from a position of power." So many Americans (USA) come to this site just to bash Brazil (for those Americans that do at least) because they perceive something in Brazil or about Brazil as a threat. I said some time back that Americans (USA) do not waste their time with that they feel is no threat to them - it is part of the American (USA) character. Now, if Bush did not perceive a threat building in Latin America or Brazil would he be visiting Brazil now? When he and other Americans felt Brazil and Latin America were of little significance and of little threat to US interests, did he come visit? No he did not.

You misunderstand the American character and as such you wish to negotiate with Americans (USA) from a position proud Americans would read as "weak." Granted, there are proud Americans (USA) who are very reasonable and generous people and would extend a sincere and kind hand to you, reading your offer not as "weakness" but as true kindness and brotherly human concern. But you under estimate the number of Americans willing to be unreasonable or even willing to destroy most mankind to get their way.

I'm not sure how President Lula will talk and discuss with President Bush, I'm sure he will be civil to the man that leads the most powerful nation on earth, as he should be. I hope President Lula will prove a good gentleman and host. But no matter how gentlemen of their stature in world affairs talk and interact with one another, I no one thing, at some point with in their meeting, if even for just a few minute seconds, a leader would do well to look a "thousand yard stare" into the eyes of the American (USA) leader. At heart Americans (USA) are gangsters and cowboys and ultimately respect only one thing: strength. One generation of Americans (USA) to the next can expect to go to war, it is the American way.

What many Americans (USA) hope to do is cause greater divisions or even civil war in Brazil. Many Americans (USA) do not want to see Brazil build greater economic relations with China and build greater stability and or unity in her nation. Divide and conquer. Chaos always creates opportunity, to which the U.S. has no problem stepping in to lead, assuming economic opportunities were to be ripe.
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written by bo, March 08, 2007
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written by A brazilian, 2007-03-08 17:22:22

Anti-Americanism is rampant in Brazil



That's not true and you haven't provided any data.



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written by Dana, March 08, 2007
p**a merda! O Justin arrasou, ele arrasou! É isso aí mesmo, é isso mesmo.

Justin my chin has fallen one more time. You were great, great. You are right, so right . I loved what you wrote one more time.
Luis Olivera...
written by bo, March 08, 2007
Go f**k yourself! Ok, from one american to just another blind, idiotic, flag-waving, reality-denying brazilian, once again, go f**k yourself.


Think that about says it all. I could write another 50,000 words, make another 100 posts, but at the end of the day, that is basically where we're going to end up.
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written by bo, March 08, 2007
The Americans (USA) and those Americans (USA) presenting themselves as Brazilians are the ones that look bad on this site. Ever wonder why Americans or people that hate Brazil or think so low of it would frequent the site?



Worse yet, ever think why anyone in his right mind that has never even stepped foot in the country, never seen a brazilian sky, never smelled a brazilian breeze, never felt the sting of a brazilian beurocrat, never needed the patience for a brazilian "line", would ever spend time on a site about "brazil"?
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written by bo, March 08, 2007
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written by Dana, 2007-03-08 23:34:11

p**a merda! O Justin arrasou, ele arrasou! É isso aí mesmo, é isso mesmo.

Justin my chin has fallen one more time. You were great, great. You are right, so right . I loved what you wrote one more time.



And "Dana", still waiting for that call! And you're no more a woman than E Harmony! "p**a merda"??? I've never heard that one often from brazilian women...unless you're a truck driver.
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written by yankssuk, March 09, 2007
I am from the EU but have lived in the USA for years...and it's s**t!!! I have never met a more disgusting uneducated people in my life. Brazil by contrast, despite its problems (thanks ainly to the CIA backed government of the 70s) has a people more genuine than any I've met. Don't worry Brazil, your time will come...and don't waste your time arguing with stupid AMericans....because 1. you never learn anything from them and 2. they don't know when they've lost (like Vietnam).
Luis
written by The American Historian, March 09, 2007
Now I have not read all of the posts at this site obviously, but I have seen very few that
were not fundamentally true about some of Brazil's flaws. Grown-ups can take criticism; kids cannot.
Luis Carlos de Oliveira!!
written by Dana, March 09, 2007
Marvelous article, Luis! Great job indeed. I think you wrote the best message to gringos and "gringos" (Ludwig Van Bethoveen) here. You made a tenre effort to try to communicate with gringos who think will rule Brazil when they get or when they are here. You were friendly and generous, but I think E harmony is right. Did you read that Bush was planing tomorrow to have a meeting with American authorities in the São Paulo embassy in Chacará Santo Antônio? Did you know our Polícia Federal have besides of agreements with America they are actually paid by them. Did you ever read Carta Capital? All those government employees who enter Brazil as "regular" ex pats. Also did you read how many African countries were divided and suffer still now either with an actual civil war or a very new peace situation? just like Angola, the African coutnry which has Portuguese language as its official language among other 10 languages besides dialects. How wars divided countries and spread misery in those places?

I tell you Luis, Brazilian legislators are going to raise the minimun time in prison to 2/5 for fresh criminals and to 3/5 to the others and Lula wil confirm the act. Lula is doing business with Bush. But he does little to change a stupid criminal legislation. Are we going to experiment civil war some day soon? Why is he celebrating business wiht Bush and not taking care of crime in Brazil??

Anyways, I think you did a great thing writing this article, maybe we can win some American fair friends, but do not expect many of them change their path in Brazil.
Yankssuk
written by The American Historian, March 09, 2007
First of all, you are not from the EU, you sound like you are Brazilian. And I admit I am disgusting and uneducated, but life in the USA is not s**t. It is pretty good; that is why so many Brazlians want to come here.
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written by Dana, March 09, 2007
And "Dana", still waiting for that call! And you're no more a woman than E Harmony! "p**a merda"??? I've never heard that one often from brazilian women...unless you're a truck driver.


youre funny ...
The facts!!
written by Doggy Daddy, March 09, 2007
www.riobodycount.com.br

Nice place to skip on your next vacation, I would say!!!!!!!!!!
Liberate Bo and Ric
written by The American Historian, March 09, 2007
I think it is time for me, as an American to liberate Bo and Ric from the time they are serving in Brazil. This must be the primary focus of George Bush's visit. I will keep you all informed about my efforts at rescuing these two oppressed individuals from this land. How much can two humans be expected to take?
Luis Carlos
written by Dana, March 09, 2007
And also the American gov's last report on "crime in Brazil" said the American pilots were kept in Brazil (hostages?) without any charge. Now if you release them, they say the pilots are innocent because they were not charged of anything, if you keep them till the end of the investigations they will call Condolezza to intervene in the affair..
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written by cantor de mambo, March 09, 2007
This site and its readers, or perhaps, its commentors, are anti-Brazil. They are ill-informed or just plain dishonest in many cases. Too bad. For a site that has a mission statement that proclaims its love of Brazil, it is a shameful collection of haters. That's why I almost never read anything on this site anymore. The likes of Fitzpatrick, and others turn my stomach.
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written by A brazilian, March 09, 2007
Too bad. For a site that has a mission statement that proclaims its love of Brazil, it is a shameful collection of haters.


That's why when I first found this site I thought it was a propaganda site set by some hate group. It's too dishonest to claim that this is a site for people "to learn" about Brazil and then to fool them like that. It looks more like a trap for spreading hatred towards Brazil.
Dana, E-harmony, Abe, Costinha and Mr. Oliveira
written by Ludwig Van Beethoven, March 09, 2007
Carta Capital! For the Americans and Europeans here: Carta Capital: A communist magazine very famous for attacking Europe and the United States.

Hey, Dana how was your "camel" working day? But for you Dana I prefer the term working like a "mule". Keep working like a mule, you deserve it. You and all of Brazil, we do deserve the country that we have, look at you. And the term you used just showed how low of a lady you are. You know, the funny thing about this discussion; it is a very good dose of reality. I believed that I could have changed my country, you and the majority of the Brazilians that post here prove me wrong everyday. Brazil indeed seems hopeless. A lot of Brazilians tell me I am crazy that Brazil is a lost country, no solutions, I tell them: No, the people there are just ignorant, they have to be educated. I go to sleep and I ask the Lord to help me see things clearly and help me built a better world, the sad reality is that it is getting harder everyday. It is a global problem indeed, but Brazil is really out of control.

Shame on you E-harmony, we are discussing serious problems in Brazil and you come and make absurd claims that support immoral ignorant people. You know nothing of Brazilian history, you are a poser buddy. I dare you to move to Brazil and live there. It is the place for you, immoral, has no education and is packed with extreme lefties.

And for your information Dana I was born in Brazil, lived there most of my life but I am also European, I have pride in the European Union and the history of my civilization. You think you offend me by calling me a gringo, I think the offence today is to be called a "Brazilian".
A brazilian = cantor de mambo yankssuk
written by Ludwig Van Beethoven, March 09, 2007
You can stop to use all the names you use to post here, we all know that it is you buddy. Your style of writing is very easy to catch.
End the commentary
written by aes, March 09, 2007
Brazzil.com has been the best on line magazine for gleaning information rapidly about Brazil, its politics, economics. The articles are well written highly informative journalism that for an American living in Rio de Janeiro, trying to understand at a substantive level 'what is going on' what are the political and economic realities of Brazil, finds a welcome understandable window into Brazil

The commentary section of this magazine should be eliminated. It is irrelevant. It is counter to the magazine's raison d'etre.

Brazzil.com would be better served without the Commentary section.
E-harmony
written by Ludwig Van Beethoven, March 09, 2007
Look E- harmony, this is what your supporters think of your country, you are criminal just as they are buddy:


written by yankssuk, 2007-03-08 23:51:07

Don't trust them Brazil...they're f**king theiving bastards are the Americans. AND THEY F**KIN DESRVED 9/11


What kind of bastard would write such a thing? The thousands of innocent hard working people that died that they, including a lot of Brazilians and Europeans. Ignorance is making me mad....
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written by Ludwig Van Beethoven, March 09, 2007
Day not they, I am angry, I am sorry. I will go drink some water....These ignorant bastards are making me lose it
American Historian...US never won a war single handed?
written by yankssuk, March 09, 2007
I am from the EU. You deny it because it upsets you to know that someone from a first world nation regards the USA as a underdeveloped s**thole. I am not Brazilian, but I know it well. There are many problems there for sure, that only Brazilians can solve (i.e if a fat yankee comes with a envelope of cash throw it back in his face). Brazils problems could be solved alot quicker without US interference though (as could ours). My country always thinks its Americas friend and that we are getting a good deal. In the end we get screwed though. Our soldiers do all the fighting while American pussies sit around taking the glory and giving each other hand jobs. Oh and American Historian..................VIETNAM VIETNAM VIETNAM HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH smilies/wink.gif
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written by yankssuk, March 09, 2007
Yes, many inocents died that day....but not Americans. The US funded Al Queda in the 80's, to the amount of $5 billion, just as they finded many other terrorists (sorry "freedom fighters") around the world and supported regimes that have brutilized latin america for decades
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written by Ludwig Van Beethoven, March 09, 2007

Liberate Bo and Ric
written by The American Historian, 2007-03-09 00:32:50

I think it is time for me, as an American to liberate Bo and Ric from the time they are serving in Brazil. This must be the primary focus of George Bush's visit. I will keep you all informed about my efforts at rescuing these two oppressed individuals from this land. How much can two humans be expected to take?


I agree 100% Lets not forget poor Mr. Brown.....
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written by Ludwig Van Beethoven, March 09, 2007
What language do you speak yankssuk?
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written by yankssuk, March 09, 2007
American pilots are s**t....they caused the Brazil crash....and look at 9/11!!!! smilies/grin.gif
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written by yankssuk, March 09, 2007
I SPEAK ENGLISH BEETHOVEN YOU DEAF MOTHERf**kER
Yankssuck you
written by aes, March 09, 2007
The EU still owes the U.S. billions of dollars from the 'Lend Lease' program after the war. You are a cheap bunch of chicken s**t mother f**kers. I would like to see the United States build a wall around itself, withdraw from the world and let you stupid f**ks sort it out. You are a bunch of losers and will probably all end up speaking Chinese in the end. Your hatred for 'Daddy Warbucks' is Freudian. And you 'Yankssuck' sound like you do not know the difference between a continent and a country. 'You are from the EU' 'a first world nation'. . .the EU is a conglomeration of nations you f**king twit. Do you speak French 'fait futre' . . .? From Hawaii to Alaska, to Colorado to Montana, to Maine, the United States is a paradise for those who wish it to be. We have no need for the world, it is a festering, disease ridden place, a plague, you transcend the century you live in in through American technology. . .there are some great people everywhere. . .you YankSSuck are not one of them. . .do you own a gun? I suggest you stick it in your mouth and pull the trigger.
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written by yankssuk, March 09, 2007
Ohhhhhhhhhh calm down girly yanky. Keep the money...tou owe China 3 trillion. Better send mummy to the street corner!! smilies/grin.gif
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written by yankssuk, March 09, 2007
Paradise!?!!
Only if you like going to the mall and buying s**t. The USA is DULL!!!!!!
The people can't hold a conversation, the schools and healthcare are s**t!
PARADISE?????????
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written by yankssuk, March 09, 2007
The only war the USA ever won (other than the civil war smilies/grin.gif) was the one with Mexico. You r the chickens**ts. How's Iraq going ?HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHH
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written by yankssuk, March 09, 2007
What American technology? The Web and TV were invented by Britain as was the Jet Engine. What f**kin technology are u talkin about??? Technolgy invented by other people (like the ethanol engine) and stolen by AMericans is NOT American technolgy. CUNT.
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written by aes, March 09, 2007
What EU country are you from?
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written by aes, March 09, 2007
A fool argues with a fool.
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written by aes, March 09, 2007
Wow cunt, a British word you invidious cunt.
YanksSucks U 'Girly'
written by aes, March 09, 2007
Harvard, MIT, Stanford, Princeton, Yale, Dartmouth, U.C.l.A, Berkely. The jet engine was a German development, penicillin, Ct scanning, open heart surgery, organ transplants, electon microscopy, Atomic science, space technology, international aeronautics, you fucing simpleton, agronomics, gentic engieering,
Mass production, robotics, your intellect is fatuous. Space technology, satellite, technology, nuclear physics.
The U.S. produces more food per acre than any country on earth. The vanity of your egocentric predicaent is evendent by your vitriol. Take a pill Thorazyne.
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written by aes, March 09, 2007
Henry Ford inventd the ethanol engine a hundred years ago.
first Fernando, now Paulo ... guess they love the US
written by alltheway, March 09, 2007
Brazilian Charged in NYC With $11M Theft

By SAMUEL MAULL
Associated Press Writer

NEW YORK (AP) -- A prominent Brazilian congressman has been charged in New York with stealing $11.6 million from a public works project in his country, then transferring it to a Manhattan bank, according to an indictment announced Thursday.

Paulo Maluf, who is also the former mayor and governor of the city and state of Sao Paulo, stole the money through an overbilling and kickback scheme, New York prosecutors said. Four other Brazilians also are charged.

After the money arrived in New York, it was moved to offshore locales, including the Isle of Jersey, in the Channel Islands, off the coast of England, prosecutors allege. Authorities there found and froze $26 million of the stolen money, Manhattan District Attorney Robert Morgenthau said.

Morgenthau said he had jurisdiction because the scheme used a New York bank, the Safra National Bank.

"We don't want to become a haven for foreign criminals," Morgenthau said. "We're not going to be Grand Cayman on the Hudson."

An indictment charges Maluf, 75, with 17 counts, including conspiracy and criminal possession of stolen property.

Maluf is still in Brazil, and the U.S. does not have an extradition treaty with Brazil for Brazilian citizens, Morgenthau said.

"Paulo Maluf does not have, and never had, a bank account in New York," his spokesman, Adilson Laranjeira, said in a news release. "All the false accusations made against Paulo Maluf were never proven and are the fruit of political persecution."

Maluf, who was elected to the Brazilian congress in October, is a perennial presidential candidate, with a rep**ation as a politician who gets things done.

But his career has been plagued with corruption allegations. He was imprisoned briefly in Brazil in 2005 on charges of money laundering, coercing witnesses and obstructing justice.

The scheme involving the New York bank required contractors and subcontractors building a highway in Sao Paulo to submit inflated invoices and kick back part of the money to Maluf and the other defendants, Morgenthau said.

The district attorney said Maluf's scheme to move money through New York was uncovered in 2002 during an investigation of a now-defunct wire transfer company, Beacon Hill.

The others charged are Maluf's son, Flavio Maluf, 35; Simeao Damasceno, finance director of a construction company; Joel Guedes Fernandes, a cashier and pay clerk at that company; and Vivaldo Alves, 61, described as a black market money transmitter. All are residents of Sao Paulo except Fernandes, who lives in Minas Gerais.

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carlos de ollveira
written by forrest allen brown, March 09, 2007
ask ezito why he did not fill out a report form i had to go to colmberto office in mangabera to get results
ask fort a report you will see the report was not ezito he was just told to pick them up and it took 2 years
roamdeep robed while the brasilian gov had it at the dock FLS DE # 139 registro 1243/03 5 sept 2003 look it up

processo n . 2003.82.00.010412-6 look it up

# 201p2003000326 18/11/2003 look it up
# 10421.000101/2003-34 apenos ao de n 18336.000519/2002-31 look it up

oficio n 479/2003-cppb from captian kleber pessek from jose lopes da silva
83-241-2805 \n This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it '> This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it . br call them
ask them why no letter of intent to forfit was sent to me or my wife , brasilian law .
why under internitonal law the roamdeep was not able to be repaired and set out to the sea . as in all countries
why if the roamdeep was never checked in the right way did it take them almost a year to take it and then only after i was deported whitch under brasilian law i was unable to leave the boat in country while i was out
SO WHO BROKE THE LAW WELL YOU TALK TO BRASIL IT WAS ME YOU TALK TO THE REST OF THE WORLD THEM
so you bet next if there is one i will be very nasty and i dont care !!!!!

you talked to ezito what lies did he tell you this time , did you ask him why it took him 3 years to take them to trail when i had it all done in less than 3 weeks .

talk to the captian of ports if you can find him he was just moved after the newspaper report came out in O NORTE quinta-feirs 20 de novembro de 2003 ano 95 #179
look it up ans see what is said .

if you find out the people are in jail you prove it to me !!!!

i have a ton more court doc if you like to read

and if you find it a big deal that i will protect my new boat with killing a few brasilians than look to your own people and police , they wont ever notice their gone

if you notice i do not hide from any thing i say or do , like i said many times i love my brasilian wife and her family , the land
BUT YOU HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT YOUR WAY OF LACK OF LIFE in your country
lack of laws and enforcement
low to no pay, schools ,sex trade, murders , rapes . hunger ,

also by the way the owner of this site is a brasilian living in california if you want his number i can give it also
does any one want to know where every one else lives and there real names
for a fee i will tell all

you have a good night
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written by forrest allen brown, March 09, 2007
and i thought it ment
Cant
Understand
Normal
Thinking
more on brasil
written by forrest allen brown, March 09, 2007
www.noonsite.com hit brasil

www.ssca.com

if the truth hurts it just hurts

i know there are some very good people in brasil , they just dont want to get invloved

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written by bo, March 09, 2007
first Fernando, now Paulo ... guess they love the US
written by alltheway, 2007-03-09 03:26:57

Brazilian Charged in NYC With $11M Theft

By SAMUEL MAULL
Associated Press Writer

NEW YORK (AP) -- A prominent Brazilian congressman has been charged in New York with stealing $11.6 million from a public works project in his country, then transferring it to a Manhattan bank, according to an indictment announced Thursday.

Paulo Maluf, who is also the former mayor and governor of the city and state of Sao Paulo, stole the money through an overbilling and kickback scheme, New York prosecutors said. Four other Brazilians also are charged.

After the money arrived in New York, it was moved to offshore locales, including the Isle of Jersey, in the Channel Islands, off the coast of England, prosecutors allege. Authorities there found and froze $26 million of the stolen money, Manhattan District Attorney Robert Morgenthau said.

Morgenthau said he had jurisdiction because the scheme used a New York bank, the Safra National Bank.

"We don't want to become a haven for foreign criminals," Morgenthau said. "We're not going to be Grand Cayman on the Hudson."

An indictment charges Maluf, 75, with 17 counts, including conspiracy and criminal possession of stolen property.

Maluf is still in Brazil, and the U.S. does not have an extradition treaty with Brazil for Brazilian citizens, Morgenthau said.

"Paulo Maluf does not have, and never had, a bank account in New York," his spokesman, Adilson Laranjeira, said in a news release. "All the false accusations made against Paulo Maluf were never proven and are the fruit of political persecution."

Maluf, who was elected to the Brazilian congress in October, is a perennial presidential candidate, with a rep**ation as a politician who gets things done.

But his career has been plagued with corruption allegations. He was imprisoned briefly in Brazil in 2005 on charges of money laundering, coercing witnesses and obstructing justice.

The scheme involving the New York bank required contractors and subcontractors building a highway in Sao Paulo to submit inflated invoices and kick back part of the money to Maluf and the other defendants, Morgenthau said.

The district attorney said Maluf's scheme to move money through New York was uncovered in 2002 during an investigation of a now-defunct wire transfer company, Beacon Hill.

The others charged are Maluf's son, Flavio Maluf, 35; Simeao Damasceno, finance director of a construction company; Joel Guedes Fernandes, a cashier and pay clerk at that company; and Vivaldo Alves, 61, described as a black market money transmitter. All are residents of Sao Paulo except Fernandes, who lives in Minas Gerais.


It is quite funny. A brazilian politician steals money in brazil and through international banking will be prosecuted and found guilty in the United States long before he ever gets convicted and/or goes to jail(for more than 39 days) in brazil.
Legacy/Gol & Luis Carlos Oliveira
written by bob beadle, March 09, 2007
Shall we skip the acrimony, and get real? All the innuendo, claims, attitude, ranting, detailed provocations. Just a question>>>>

The results of the inquiry into the tragic Legacy/Gol crash supporting the conclusion that the American pilots were responsible- was released a day AFTER the pilots were released and sent back to the US. Presumably there will be a trial. Right.

Why would the pilots be released if it seemed clear to authorities the pilots were guilty? Pure speculation, but not hard to figure out:

Brazilian authorities released them before release of the report because it seemed unlikely the pilots would be found guilty- without implicating Brazilian air traffic control, the Air Force, Gol, the Brazilian Legacy builder- any or all of the above.

Prediction: There may be a face saving hearing. There will NOT be a trial. Unless of course a deal has been struck to convict them in absentia in return for releasing them now.

You don't need a crystal ball to figure this one out. Pilots (not just American pilots) are expendable. Air Force generals, air traffic control systems, airlines, airplane manufacturers, and of course national pride- are NOT.

Bob Beadle

The 1989 Varig Crash
written by Ric, March 09, 2007
Pilots are still out of jail pending appeal. And opining on the Legacy/Gol crash, so they must feel unthreatened. It´s over. The rest will continue to be politics.

I like it here. And I am married to an American. And I´m trying to put a Chevy rat 454 into a Brazilian Maverick so I have a lot of projects. Once hot rodding gets into your blood, well, it´s like Costa and bosta.
Short memory
written by PPLL, March 09, 2007
Hey my EU friend...so you speak English? If it wasn't for us disgusting Yanks (especially for you British), you would all be speaking German right now, short memory huh? And Eastern Europe, Poland Cech Republic and the former USSR, thanks for letting is put up our missle defense systems in your countries...you know oppression and we appreciate your friendship. Hopefully we won't need them, but they must work, why are the Russians and Chinese so pissed?

There are 2 countries that are "us against the world" the US and Isreal...the anti-Americanism on this site is based less on politics than jealousy. I don't see people risking everything they have to come illegally into your country Brazil, why then do Brazilians continue to come to American in hoards...on the dream to become a "disgusting Americans" one day?

Guess I will go gas up my gas guzzeling SUV, stop by Starbucks to get my coffee purchased from expolited countries, go to my job of 15 years where I am paid like and American and recieve great benefits, stop after work for a few beers and chicken wings at Hooters, then watch college basketball on my 52" TV...and go to bed laughing at all of you who can't. Including you EU, who lives in a country that is cold and damp, with a bunch of pub dwelling perverts who are afraid of their shadows, I remeber you guys when I was stationed in Germany, always quick to start a fight, never able to finish on without an Americna ass whopping.
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written by bo, March 09, 2007
And most of these blind words of hate are written by those so-called Americans "patriots"...



If one could have an honest discussion with brazilians, it would be a different story. But unfortunately, there are numerous brazilians that are so proudfully ignorant that they try and deny daily realities! And they try to turn the discussion in a different direction by stating "examples" of the problems being discussed exist in the U.S as well, so they take the "don't throw stones..." attitude.

It's ludicrous and absurd.


And everyone's comments here are in print, for all to see. Anyone with any type of rationality and ability to comprehend whatsoever can see what's going on here. Exactly which people are being dishonest. Exactly which people twist and tort others words and state they've said things other than they did.

It's not hard to see. It's all right here, in print.

And how in the hell can someone say that what happened to Forrest was some kind of "payback" from him serving in Viet Nam. What kind of ridiculous nonsense is that??

I guess anyone who's ever done anything wrong in his life better stay far away from brazil!
The Queen Sucks
written by GTY, March 09, 2007
EU...you all still can't get over the fact that we threw your tea over the side of the boat in Boston, get over it. I know we kicked your ass, but we have saved your ass sssooo many times!

You lived in the US? What happened, did your Tourist Visa run out? Couldn't stay because you were not eductaed enough to find a job that would have let you? You can say what you want, but there is no way you wanted to return to dreary GB.

I am sure you love Brazil, it is propably one of only a few places in the world that the Brit's can get laid, too white and pasty for even white America women, to bad a little sun makes you all turn so red, gives me a great laugh seeing you all down here in Miami. But Brazil is happy hunting for you Europeans, I am sure you are familiar with the BA flights into Recife full of European men going to Brazil have sex with young boys and girls...and we are disgusting?
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written by notsouglyamerican, March 09, 2007
I am interested to hear, discuss, and talk with Brazilians or people in Brazil in an intelligent manner. I'm sorry that this forum has turned to a bunch of name calling.

Anyone up for some real discussion on Brazil ?
I've only visited 3 times, mainly for business. I'm interested to know what is real life like in Brazil. I have an interest to live in Brazil in the future. If Brazilians attitude is like many who post on the forum I've no interest.
Mr Bo: You are out of this world. Plese, weakup
written by Luis Carlos de Oliveira, March 09, 2007
Mr Bo
You are one of my main targets and I want to take off your mask! The ammount of garbage you say here is just astonishing !
You are a member of the team who spread the fight and nonsense among the readers of this insteresting site.
But you are such an ignorant soul, that I wish the ones that pay your salary may read the absurdities you post here, you idiot, and hopefully you will loose your indecent job very soon.
Please read in full and pay attention to what is written before puting out your comments: Forrest himself stated about his "payback" for him serving in Vietnam. No one else has "created" those words, like you do frequently... Himself stated it, and you are not capable of distinguish between a fact and a fantasy inside your sick mind, you idiot!
Use your own words above (" It's not hard to see. It's all right here, in print.") and make yourself a big favor: Shutup your venenous mouth! Will you ?
Bo
written by GTY, March 09, 2007
As an American living in Brazil, you have a unique perspective and you should continue to expose the lies about Brazil and the US on this site. Actually, you are one of the few that back up your postings with facts, intellect and knowledge. I don't think your are "anti-Brazilian", but you are exposing Brazilian reality, to a people who live in a fantasy about the facts of life in their country. Something very