Brazzil

perhaps mr.lula would like to take the Brazilian nationals,. who are in the u.s.a. illegally,.. back to Brazil with him ,..

at the airport when he arrives and when he leaves. Protest about the million or so illegal brazilians in the U.S., protest about having the third lowest minimum wage on planet earth, protest about them destroying the Amazon with signs that say, "Damn right, the amazon is yours, how about taking care of it!" Protest about the vast corruption and impunity that exists for brazilian politicians, protest about slave labor and that the U.S. will refuse to purchase ANY brazilian commodity produced using it.

I would love to see it happen, but it never will, americans simply don't give a rats ass about brazil.

Let Brazil use it land for bio energys and the US to use it 's land for food for it's self! The US makes money from Brazil by imposing tarriffs and buys the biofuels for less then it would cost to produce it themselves. Hey Brazil...wake up and smell the coffee

SIMPLE DEMONSTRATION....HOW SMALL YOUR PLANTS ARE !
BECAUSE TO THE KNOWLEDGE OF EVERYONE, THE USA PRODUCES MORE ETHANOL THAN BRAZIL !

AND IF THE U.S. CORN ETHANOL IS NOT....YET.....AS COMPETITIVE AS BRAZIL SUGARCANE ETHANOL, IT IS SIMPLY BECAUSE THE USA DID NOT INVEST FOR 30 YEARS ALREADY !

GIVE THEM 3 TO 5 YEARS AND THE BRAZILIAN ETHANOL WILL BE GOOD TO REPLACE YOUR NATIONAL DRINK....CACHAçA !!!!!

AND TO DOGGY DADDY : sorry idiot, you are ALL WRONG because :
A) the import taxes in Brazil are far superior than the U.S. import taxes
B) so far most Brazilian ethanol doesnt pay U.S. import taxes, simply because up to 7 % U.S. ethanol production, CAN BE IMPORTED TAX FREE !!!!!!
C) to my knowledge the trade surplus between the USA and Brazil is profitable to the Brazilians and not to the USA, to the tune of well over US$ 10 billion annually.

Thus Doggy Daddy, please go back to basic education and basic knowledge before your write things WRONG FROM A TO Z !!!!!!!!

DOUBTFUL ! is he not going there, knee down, to beg for a special favor : eliminate the U.S. import tax !!!!!

QUITE LAUGHABLE : KNOWING THAT BRAZIL CHARGES HEAVY TAX ON ITS OWN ETHANOL AND OIL !!!!!!!
ARE YOUR FLEX FUEL PUMP PRICES..... NOT....MUCH MUCH HIGHER THAN IN THE USA ??????????

LAUGH....LAUGH....LAUGH !!!!!

YESSSS LULA THE IDIOT FINDS FAIR THAT HE CHARGES BRAZILIAN OIL AND ETHANOL WITH HEAVY HEAVY TAXES, BUT NOT WHEN OTHERS DO CHARGE LOWER TAXES !!!!!!!!

Simple demonstration of how Lula and ALL Brazilians analyze the situation : ONE WAY ONLY.....THEIR WAY ONLY....EVEN IF THEY ARE FULL OF CONTRADICTIONS !!!!!

Brazilians dont even become confused....and red face.....when they contradict themselves on a permanent basis !!!!!

Let me tell you this : Brazilians are the cheap cattles of the developed world and cattles are unable to think like humans !!!!!!

These long winded forums are getting boring to read, and mostly nothing but a lot of hot air. Kinda like the saying, "all fart no s**t...."

while Brazilian ethanol may be cheep to produce ,with slave labour pay to its workers .

at what price to the environment millions of tones of garbage dumped into the air by burning off the Cain , clear cutting tens of thousands of hectors of  rain forest and other land , plus all the water used in the production dumped untreated back into the rivers .

switch to soy as it can be made into biodiesel , feed people , and livestock , win all the way around .

corn again ethanol , feed people , feed animal , and you can drink it

The U.S. foreign policy vis a vis Putin and Chavez et al is a bit in progress. Brazil's mascot should be the jaguar. A jaguar in sheeps clothing. Brazil will get tarrif reduction on its ethanol. The tarrif is based upon the $.57 the corn growers get as a subsidy. Corn is not a practicle solution for ethanol. It eats the soil, raises the cost of poultry, beef, cereals. Farm subsidies are a deep political issue in the U.S. . Biological pork. Its time has passed, there was a time when farmers were paid not to grow crops because there was a surplus etc. etc. Lula has a strong hand to play, he is dealing from a position of strength, and this is most assuredly recognized.

Corn and soyabeans instead of sugar cane !!!
You are dead right...but in my view Brazil will find a way to keep the slaves alike workers....otherwise their unemployment will jump from 9 to 14 % !!!!!

Eventually they will manually harvest the grains !!!!!!!!

Millions more workers will be needed for their already existing large production !!!!!
They could even employ finally the millions and millions of workers in the informal economy !

Unemployment will down....existing salaries will come down too....inflation will come down near Zero !!!!!!

Just read the other article on Lula visit to Bush ! Lula wish to get financing.....of course....to develop slaves alike workers.....in AFRICA !!!!!!
Because the slaves Workers are not IN SUFFICIENT NUMBERS.....IN BRAZIL !!!!!!
In my view Lula is even dreaming to develop sugar cane ethanol in the USA.....with the hope he could send as workers.....ALL HIS CRIMINALS !!!!!
He is even secretly dreaming to have American workers in the U.S. sugar cane fields !!!!!!


Laugh.....laugh....laugh !

Crisscross this country with interstate highways and the economy will burgeon on either side. Take the labor that is available, float a few bonds, and put a million people to work making roads. The harvesting of cane will take care of itself. They have machines for that. The age of manuel labor has passed, it is perhaps what separates worlds. They have machines that make roads, increditbile machines that replace a hundred workers, but in the meantime, its 1939 and its time to build the infrastructure of Brazil. Float some bonds, China would buy them and Japan, and invest in capital goods.

Brazilian ethanol made from sugarcane is cheaper than any other and when produced in larger scale will be even cheaper it just needs more partner, finding who to sell it and the proper investment(the production could be more then 5 times larger in few years without even getting near the amazon) and while your supporting your inefficient corn made ethanol (that is not even good for your economy because it inflates corn prices that would be used for other purposes and is only working because of subsidies your country uses and that is even totally against the will of the free market that your neoliberalist theories defends) Brazil is doing business all over the world and just closed deals with Italy, Japan and the u.s. not to say others . And have you ever thought that slave labor(which is only a small percentage of all employes on the crops) would not be necessary if there were no subsidies and internacional prices could be higher??? I just know one thing, while you are supporting your inefficient ethanol program we are going after our business. I know your economy is light years ahead of ours but our democracy is only 20 years, give us some years to adapt our legal system and politics and we`ll eventually be able to compete in other areas. And what were you saying about the imigrants???? without all the hard working brazilian and other nations people that are workink illegaly(because of an legal stance that needs to be updated) u.s would not be half of what it is and you fat asses would not be getting so much good services for good prices!! Just because you use a quarter of everything the world produces you are not better than the rest of the world

Think about that!!

Ah, You are from UFSC,eh? I am listening very carefully. You from the Island ,Estreito or Interior. I know you guys from UFSC are very smart.Keep Talking.

You seem to say that there is a glut of ethanol in view of its prices !
If you are so competitive against oil, why dont you put your own mix at 50 % ?
No need to export, just consume what you produce until your mix is 70 or 100 % if your production cost is REALLY below the oil price !

And why is the fuel mix AT THE PUMP FAR MORE EXPENSIVE IN BRAZIL, when compared to USA ?
It seems to me that in a "normal" country" producing whatever goods, the local price should be LOWER than the price it will be sold in other foreign markets, due to the transportation costs and the import tax. BUT THAT IS NOT THE CASE !!!!!!!!

LETS FACE THE SIMPLE TRUTH : LULA WISH TO TAX ETHANOL FOR EXPORTS, THUS IS CRYING WHEN OTHERS TAX ITS IMPORT !!!!!
Why does Brazil put a 100 % import tax on foreign made cars : to protect the local production ? Thus why is this technique not good when
others do it on foreign made goods such as ethanol ?

Using the same arguments that you have on ethanol, the USA and EU and Japan could also produce locally enough cars for Brazil....but you disagree to import them and forced the manufacturers to produce cars in your country !

Simple demonstration that you change your mind constantly depending if it is an imported goods or a product for exports !!!!!

Strange....isnt it ?


Could the "new future economist" provide answers ?????????


laugh...laugh....laugh !

I suggest you go back to basic economic school....in a developed country !
Has Brazil not an edge on ethanol TODAY........BECAUSE IT SUBSIDIZED BOTH THE R&D AND PRODUCTION......FOR "ONLY" SEVERAL DECADES ????? Please review your own history before writing.....SIMPLE LIES !!!!!!

AND WRITING : our democracy is only 20 years SHOW HOW IDIOT YOU ARE !
Has Brazil society NEVER VOTED FOR ITS GOVERNMENT BEFORE THESE 20 YEARS ?
And is the source of your ethanol, not due to the military junta decision ?


Typically Brazilian.....YOUR LIES !

Looks like you are in a backyard and elementary business school where you are only brainwashed..... just like during the ERA of your military junta !!!!!!

Your fuel mix changed between 20 to 25 % in 2006 !!!!

S I M P L E

And is DIESEL NOT OIL ?
Far less than 40 % of ethanol is used in DIESEL MIX !!!!!
And what about all your generators.....using mostly .....100 % gasoline or 100 % diesel ???????

LAUGH....LAUGH....LAUGH !!!!

First of all get your information right about alternative fuel right duma**. It is not suppost to replace oil but to compete with it in a smaller degree. If the world was supposed to replace oil it would need to plant so much corn or cane that we wouldn't have any room left to grow that other popular fuel: food. Second, we can't put more than 50 percent because it would destroy every engine that is not flex fuel smart gay. ops guy. So that u know flex fuel is a new technology that was desined BY BRASILIAN ENGINEERS so it can run with any mix and its a new industry so its only available for new vehicles. This is how it works in brasil... there is no 100% gas, there is a mix of 20 to 25 sometimes 27 (when there is a big surplus), this is the top % that every normal engine can support. And there is 100% ethanol. that is in every gas station so u make simple math, ethanol consumes faster so it needs to be 70% of the price of gas if is that u choose ethanol or the other. And about the price in the pump, your scale(u know what it is right mr economics??) is way bigger so you get better prices and so is your infra structure(ours is 95% roads freight) and our tax system is archaic and we pay more taxes. So I'm not saying my country is perfect but is going on the right direction and so I hope. We are a developing country, and what DEVELOPING countries do to protect then selves from DEVELOPED ones?? they lift tariffs. And u talk about our subsidies that was done during the first oil crisis of the world in the 70's because otherwise the country would simple stop?? do you know that one of the most controversial classes of subsidies, especially according to publications such as The Economist, are subsidies benefitting farmers in first-world countries, such subsidies are dumping millions of surplus commodities (like sugar,corn, rice) on world markets, destroying opportunities for farmers in developing and poor countries, especially in Africa. So tell me I'm all lies and brainwashed after u get some concret facts!!!

by the way F*** U ch.c.!!
Sorry to other than ch.c. that read this if I was offensive or miss spelled something.

the comment was " illegal aliens" ie: Brazilian nationals in the u.s.a. ILLEGALLY...OK , GET IT NOW... BRAZIL AND ITS APPARENT " LACK OF PROSECUTION OF TRAFFICKERS , SMUGGLERS, FALSE DOCUMENT DEALERS, etc... THE TRAFFICKING IN HUMANS FOR A FEE ...ORIGINATING IN BRAZIL .. AND FOR $10,000 A TRIP TO MEXICO OR GUATAMALA AND ON TO THE U.S. BORDER.....So get those jobs ready for them Brazil,,,, because the u.s.a. is returning them to the sender...

no they you are not because u need the workers and again I never said my country is perfect. It has several problems in different states but they are beeing addressed step by step or so I hope. And your country is not perfect either don't u have crimes too??

and the trip is like 5000 hehe

to make a more complete answer I just wanted to point out that there is no ethanol in diesel mix and add some information so people can understand the proalcool(pro ethanol) program of the 70`s. Before flex fuel engines were invented brazilians had to choose if their car would run on gas or ethanol and now they can use any mix.

please, don't try and "justify" the use of slave labor and/or put the blame for this practice on outside influences. Land owners use slave labor in brazil for selfish reasons. And have no qualms with putting the lives of their fellow countrymen at risk, and treating them as slaves, just to make a few dollars more. Brazil has one of the lowest minimum salaries on planet earth, 350 reias per month, 165 dollars, per MONTH, for god's sake. Why would anyone need to pay any less? Neither domestic nor foreign taxes is an excuse for this. Just another deplorable reality that is allowed to exist in brazil.

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written by Luiz Alessio, 2007-03-27 22:54:38

no they you are not because u need the workers and again I never said my country is perfect. It has several problems in different states but they are beeing addressed step by step or so I hope. And your country is not perfect either don't u have crimes too??

And there it is, the brazilian justification!!


See what I mean?? It's in MASS. Where do they teach you guys to attempt to justify problems that exist in epidemic proportions to other countries where they simply exist??

You do understand the difference, don't you Luiz?

Ethanol and Employment

The ethanol alternative waits in the wings, ready to create jobs and contribute to sustainable rural development, especially in the poorest of countries. Globalization of economic activities often eliminates employment in the countryside and marginalizes the poor from productive resources.

Ethanol's reliance on the cultivation of bio-mass, such as sugarcane in Brazil, coupled to a decentralized system of processing facilities, provides more human and sustainable development opportunities than the capital intensive and centralized production of petroleum. Moreover, many poor countries import oil, drawing precious resources away from productive, employment generating activities.

In Brazil, ethanol production creates many more jobs than fossil fuel production. For each unit of energy generated, oil creates one job, coal production employs four, and ethanol 152. In terms of investment required for job creation the numbers are equally impressive.

1) Please re-read the article :
"Brazil's energy-independence has been possible because it has replaced 40% of its oil-consumption with ethanol !!!!!"
It is not ME but a proud and knowlegable Brazilian who wrote such stupid things....as usual !
I suppose he is as expert as.....YOU ARE !!!!!!!

2) flex fuel is a new technology that was desined BY BRASILIAN ENGINEERS !!!!!!
You just demonstrated how stupid you are and how UNEDUCATED you are and how worthless your studies are !
Flex fuel engine has NOT been developed by BRAZILIAN ENGINEERS AS YOU HAVE BEEN TOLD BY YOUR TEACHERS, YOUR MEDIAS AND YOUR CROOK......LULA !

Flex Fuel engine has been developed by BOSCH, A GERMAN COMPANY !

And this company received an award from your Dept of Science and Technology !!!!!!

If you can surf the Net, just type ......flex fuel Brazil Bosch......and you will find many articles.....confirming what I AM SAYING.....AND NOT......WHAT YOU PRETEND !!!!!!

YOU JUST DEMONSTRATED....ONCE MORE AND AS USUAL.....THAT WHATEVER A BRAZILIAN SAY......IS FULL OF CRAP, ERRORS AND LIES !!!!!!

After you will have surfed the Net, please come back and confirm or deny if Brazilian Engineers developed the flex fuel engine !!!!!!!!!!


LAUGH......LAUGH....LAUGH !!!!!

once again talking s*** out of your a** ch.c.

I just got this, anyone can check it!!!!!!!

Fernando Damasceno, chief engineer at the Brasilian unit of Italian car parts company Magneti Marelli, a BRASILIAN ENGINEER, led the team that created the IT solution that constantly calculates the mixture of fuels in the car's tank and adjusts the engine to perform accordingly. In 2002, his team sold the software to Volkswagen, which introduced the first flex-fuel car in Brazil the next year. Damasceno's black box is now a part of cars sold by the five largest car makers in the country, including Volkswagen, Ford and GM.
Brasilian engineers started developing the technology behind flex-fuel cars in the 1990s based on their prior experience with ethanol-only vehicles during the 1970s, when Brasil's government helped fund the R&D effort which would lead to massive production of ethanol-fueled cars in response to the international oil crisis. In essence, the difference to the American technology is that the Brazilian flex-fuel injection system is cheaper, smarter and not limited to certain types of fuel or fuel mixes. Cars can run on gasoline, ethanol, or any mixture of both.
Today there are an estimated one million flex-fuel automobiles operating in Brazil, and that number is expected to grow fivefold in 8 years. E100 fuel (or pure ethanol) is sold at all of Brasil's service stations. Annual production is in the range of four billion gallons, of which around 690 million gallons are exported. Ethanol accounts for about 40% of the fuel consumed by passenger vehicles, which means that for most Brasilian drivers, the only real issue between gasoline and ethanol is which is cheaper at the pump.
Brasilian engineers are continuing their work. Bosch's subsidiary in Brasil has created a new technology that allows cars to be powered by natural gas, in addition to gasoline and ethanol. Moreover, last June Magneti Marelli and Fiat launched the first vehicle to run on pure gasoline, Brasilian gasoline (mixed with alcohol), ethanol or natural gas. The Tetrafuel technology is also the results of Mr. Damasceno's R&D efforts.

and check this out too http://skeptically.org/oil/id12.html

You don`t know what you are talking about ch.c. so keep looking for something to say that I`m here to try to answer it! I am no expert but I'm more intellingt than u

But ch.c can't learn. Flex fuel was developed by brazilian engineers and Brazil deserve all the credit for it.

FLEX FUEL WAS FIRST MADE IN GERMANY WW 2 , AND HAS BEEN ON FARM TRACTORS FOR 40 OD YEARS ( oh that is right brazil does not use tractors to farm they have slaves )

you never saw a car or truck run on methaine made from cow , chicken or sheep dropings been around fro years , start on gas and switch over to meth

Hahahahaha. If there were a prize for non sense you surely would be one of the candidates for winning, Forest.

yeh right... first made in germany forest but we developed the better one that is been used today all over brasil and soon the world when the alternative fuel revolution actually starts

Hey forest gump you are much of a storyteller but I want to see some facts so we can chat!! Do you actually know or read anything about slavery in Brasil?? Did EVER researched anything about it?? I just got interested about the subject and an challenging U to say something that doesnt come out of your ass but u typing it( I was gonna put mouth but is kind of difficult through this forum) hahaha
And changing subject forest do you know whats the only prove that the wright brothers flown an airpane before Santos Dummont THIS !!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I...tFlyer.jpg hahahaha some of you american are so full of yourselfs for no reason hahahaha I have lots of good american friends but some of you guys are just a disgrave for the country!! I bet you all that were writing here voted for bush!!
And U seen to be an good old eco something something arent you??

Waiting for anything well writen like our frind bo did it! He got a point on somethings he wrote, but thats for another day, going to bed good night

flex cars, you would think that a brazilian invented the car, lol. Even if a brazilian did invent the flex fuel engine, so what. There have been derivations of gasoline engines that have been being invented for quite a number of years, and the funny thing is is that it UNDOUBTEDLY was invented by a GERMAN company!! And it says the brazilian, "led the team", so, a TEAM of engineers invented the "software", or "blackbox", not the engine. The article you posted Luiz also states that there is already an existing flex fuel american engine, as it makes comparisons to it.

As far as your hilarious rantings about the Wright Bros. The international institution that is responsible for aviation facts and history is located in Paris France. As you may know, the French have never been to keen on Americans. Also, Santos DuMont's flights took place in Paris!! And to whom does this institution credit as making the first flight in aviation history??? The Wright Bros!!! Along with every other single country on planet earth, with the exception of Brazil!!!! LOL!!

I know you guys need something, anything, to grasp on to. Any little thing to make you feel better about your seemingly impotence in the history of civilization. But please, this type of stuff makes you all appear ignorant, especially when your the only people from the only country on the planet that is debating something that the entire world recognizes, and has recognized, for many decades. But we understand, your brazilian history teacher told you that Santos Dumont invented the airplane and made the first flight. It must feel terrible to find out that your very own teachers decieved you as children, but they were probably told what they must teach you, something, anything, to instill some "pride".

Hey bo can't u read?? chief engineer at the Brasilian unit of Italian car parts company Magneti Marelli its not german and it was on brasilian soil, I seen it on the news and the team is almost all brasilian! and the engine you are talking about is the SAME internal combustion engines of any other like the ones that were invented like 100 years ago u know??haha the black box is what makes it flex fuel so get some information before saying s*** and I only got into the wright bros subject because of our friend forest but here we go ,the same institucion that u just talked about (Aero Club of France ) recently changed they opinion about who putted the first plane on the air and named santos dummont because of lack of proof from the other side hahaha W bros first public flight was on 1908 and Santos Dummont 1906 anda the only proof you have is a picture and a letter!!!!!!!!!!!!so was really funny to read what u said you typical self centered american hahahaha
I am very proud of Brasil thats for sure I LOVE BRASIL!!!

Fazendas do Brasil usam pobres como escravos
da BBC, em Londres

Um artigo intitulado "Escravos da Floresta", publicado neste domingo no jornal britânico The Sunday Times, afirma que os fazendeiros da Amazônia não estão apenas destruindo o meio-ambiente, mas também usando brasileiros pobres "para fazer seu trabalho sujo, deixando-os endividados, presos em cativeiro e abandonados".

De acordo com dados citados na reportagem, pelo menos 25 mil pessoas estariam vivendo em escravidão no Brasil, trabalhando sob um calor extremo, em condições terríveis, muitas vezes presos por dívidas criadas por seus empregadores.

O jornal denuncia que esses homens - quase sempre ingênuos e sem estudo - deixam suas cidades de origem depois de ouvirem promessas de trabalho com bons salários e excelentes condições de moradia na Amazônia.

Eles seriam recrutados pelos "gatos", funcionários de ricos fazendeiros da região amazônica.

Quando chegam a seu destino, no trem conhecido como "Expresso da Escravidão", os trabalhadores "são informados de que devem dinheiro aos proprietários das terras pelos gastos com a viagem, então começam a trabalhar já endividados", afirma o The Sunday Times.

O dominical britânico cita um relatório de 2003, nunca publicado pela Organização Internacional do Trabalho (ILO, na sigla em inglês), que diz que "casos de humilhação são freqüentes e casos de tortura física, como homens levando coronhadas e apanhando com correntes, já foram registrados".

Bhavna Sharma, da ONG Anti-Slavery International, afirma na reportagem acreditar que o governo brasileiro está genuinamente fazendo o possível para resolver o problema, mas que não teria os recursos necessários para ser bem-sucedido.

O artigo conclui que mesmo quando esses trabalhadores são libertados e passam a receber pagamentos do governo durante três meses, a tendência é que eles retornem ao ciclo de exploração.

"Eles voltam a não ter nada. Então, acabam escolhendo a mesma solução de antes - o 'gato'. É um círculo vicioso", contou o Frei Xavier Plassat, que tenta acabar com a escravidão no Brasil há 17 anos.

03/09/2006 - 12h12

It is Santos-Dumont and not Santos Dummont! I bet you do not know a lot about this great scientist!

Santos-Dumont was not even a true Brazilian, he was French! He learned to read and write using the French language from his French father! Little or no brazilian education, luckily for him. He used to sign Santos = Dumont to demonstrate that he considered himself “French” also.

In Thursday's article, Castro said more than 3 billion people in the world were condemned to die prematurely of hunger or thirst from plans by his ideological foe, the United States, to convert foodstuffs like corn into fuel for cars.

"This is not an exaggerated figure, it's more likely cautious," Castro wrote in the ruling Communist Party's daily newspaper. "I've been meditating quite a bit since President Bush's meeting with North American automobile makers."
He was commenting on a proposal by the Bush administration to cut gasoline use by 20 percent by 2017, mostly by increasing the use of fuels such as ethanol, made from home-grown corn.

Bush's plan, unveiled in his State of the Union speech in late January, also counts on advances in making ethanol from other sources such as wood chips and switchgrass.

okay lets look at it this way

have you ever herd of wet heat propulsion !!!

mano hydro zine !!!

hydrogen peroxide

all German ww2

chloral hydrate n2s4

sodium h2so4

french ww2

coal sand fuel

lignite coal fuel

o2 h2

USA ww2

animal waste methane

plant waste methane

ww2 russia


hot air propulsion
brazi

yes i know quite a bit of slavery in Brazil as my father in laws brother was one up until we freed him and his family .
and went to court and sued his former task master for back pay along with 23 other men boys , women .
as i was from the United States and had some money they could afford the lawyer to get back their lives and money owed to them .

2 days into the trail that had been postponed for 2 years , by the attorney from the other side , the man on trail killed himself as news reports were hurting his family in the public eye .

then lets roll back to the early part of 2006 when one of the governors of one of your southern states on his ranch was held for having 18 slaves on his land .

and a real good one go to the first part of the 19 century up in the amazon jungle when the rubber enslaved whole tribes on Indians , and others from all over Brazil to harvest rubber .

YES you will through up the united states had slaves , and it did which is discording , but in this day in age while Brazilians blow their horns about ever thing being grate in Brazil , look under and around you will see .

and by the way the Belgium Congo  was the worst case of slavery in the history read that book , and look at Brazil today

Brazil should understood that the equality of its people is a prerequisite for development.

Taken from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberto_Santos-Dumont just to prove a point!!

Alberto Santos-Dumont (20 July 1873 – 23 July 1932) was an early pioneer of aviation. He was born, grew up, and died in Brazil
In addition to his pioneering work in airships, Santos-Dumont made the first public flight of an airplane in Paris in October 1906. That aircraft, designated 14-bis or Oiseau de proie (French for "bird of prey"), is considered to be the first to take off, fly, and land without the use of catapults, high winds, launch rails, or other external assistance

to be honest I'm not quite getting what forrest gump, the storyteller is saying

I have to suppose he was out of the country for quite a while to develop his plane......IN FRANCE !!!!!!

Ohhhhhh by the way........why was he unable to develop the plane while in Brazil ???????

Too many idiots there ????

And ham, try to get some information from 2006 and putting it in english so everybody can understand and I'll get back u

I was just surfing the net and by accident found this website and couldnt believe all the crap that I read so I HAD to write something, I am very open-minded and when there is proof I will admit I'm wrong but u guys are all talk and no proof so I`m not convinced of ANYTHING that u ever wrote!!

Born in the village of Cabangu, Brazil, 20 July 1873.
Died 23 July 1932.

Alberto Santos Dumont was born on July 20th, 1873, in the village of Cabangu, State of Minas Gerais, Brazil. At the age of 18, his father sent Santos Dumont to Paris where he devoted his time to the studies of chemistry, physics, astronomy and mechanics. He had a dream and an objective: to fly. In 1898, Santos-Dumont went up in his first balloon. It was round and unusually small and he called it Brésil (Brazil).

http://www.aiaa.org/content.cfm?pageid=428

yes i know quite a bit of slavery in Brazil as my father in laws brother was one up until we freed him and his family .

Forest, I have heard such stories about this kind of slavery in that part of Brazil. I have not been there and I am really sorry to hear about it. But on the other hand, I have to point out that Brazil has antiquated labor laws that are supposed to protect the labor from such ill treatment.Unfortunately the laws are strictly applicable to ONLY small and medium companies without any political clout. All the companies are supposed to pay "Vale Transporte" and "Ticket Refeição" and they do pay. But it is not suffecient.If you want to fire a worker, you have to pay 40% of his pension funds as "Multa" (fine) to him and 10% to the government. The story does not end there. Your ex employee can still sue on trumped up charges and collect more money out of you. I have never ever come across a single case where an honest employer has won a law suit. I know a number of companies that have gone bankrupt because of these laws.

At the other end of the spectrum, you have rich ranchers with political clout who can exploit the labor as they want.Nothing different from China.

I dont know if it was you or Ch.c who said it costs 1 additional Real for every Real you pay to the worker as his wage (Actually it is 1.1 Real). The conclusions that lots of HONEST Brazilian Businessmen are reaching are: 1)Do not hire anybody unless it is absolutely necessary 2) Try to outsource your jobs to other countries like China, especially and India 3) If you have enough cash, close your company after paying off all the "Indenizações" and "Multas"to your employees and the Government.

Of course the worst victims are the young professionals who are getting out of colleges.But, as you or somebody else said before, they can all go to the Amazon to harvest sugar cane,catch alligators or extract rubber.It must be fun for a young lawyer and a Busines degree holder.I hope the uneducated sugar cane cutters do not complain that they are stealing jobs from them!

Brazil slave labor could grow if president signs bill

The Associated Press Published: March 15, 2007

SAO PAULO, Brazil: Human rights activists fear that a measure approved by Brazil's Congress could worsen the plight of debt slaves in Latin America's largest nation.

President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva faces a Friday deadline on whether to sign, veto or change the bill, which includes an amendment that would strip government auditors of some of their power to investigate relationships between employers and employees, and to fine abusers.

Silva's labor minister recommended a veto of the amendment, but Brazil's first working-class president has not indicated how he will act. The bill's supporters say it would boost the sluggish economy — a key goal for Silva — by freeing businesses from bureaucratic hurdles.

Debt slavery is common in Brazil's Amazon region, where farmers and loggers lure poor workers to clear remote jungles and charge them exorbitant prices for food and transportation, turning them into virtual slaves. The Roman Catholic Church's Land Pastoral group estimates some 25,000 Brazilians live in slave-like conditions.

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President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva faces a Friday deadline on whether to sign, veto or change the bill, which includes an amendment that would strip government auditors of some of their power to investigate relationships between employers and employees, and to fine abusers.

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Would you be kind enough to refer to our President as Ilmo.Sr.Presidente.da.Silva?

Ohhhhhh by the way........why was he unable to develop the plane while in Brazil ???????

Because we were discussing about the "Sexo dos Anjos",while he was trying to explain his "Plano de Ação".

I KNOW MUCH TO WELL ABOUT GOING TO COURT on workers after having a fence built paying there pay and the unemployment then end up in court 2 times for each one of them and then they went after my wife 2 more times ,
and after all that they still come by looking for me to give them another job
WHERE DO THEY GET OFF ?

To me it does not matter whom invented what , what matters is if they get paid for there mind work , and not taken and sold

i would like every one in the world be placed on a sinking ship and see if they would get along long enough to repair it

i combat any one on your side is your family and you would die to save them . but not in then private world only combat brings that out of you

Is this guy Luis for real? First, why do you feel the need to tell us that you are going to college? I don't care and I doubt that other people posting here gives a rat's ass. It is just a typical attitude of Brazilians like you who are mainly arrogant and full of s**t. I grew with people like and that is why i left that God forsaken country.

So in your opinion it is pk to make people indenture servants and slaves because big bad America is making you do it. That is a great excuse, let's start rounding up Africans right now.

oh, do pinto pequeno, para de mentir q nem brasileiro tu é! And if you are too good, why don't you stayed in brasil and tryed to get a good life (studing, for example). I guess you prefered to go to the US and clean houses, it's easier, isn't? You will always be a second class citizen, no matter what country you go.
And to Luis, and the others brasilians like him, stop with the s**t of "I'm going to colege", this is ridiculous any where in the world. And the "I love Brasil" s**t too.

Yes, I left Brazil instead of staying and striving to make it better. I was young (16) and did not know better. If I had to do it today, I probably would not. However, that does not mean I regret leaving or that I am a second class citizen. I do not regret leaving and I definitely do not feel like a second class citizen.

Yes, "não interessa" said something that's true. No matter where those toilet cleaners go they will always be second class citizens. What is most astonishing about those people is that they would rather clean toilets than to study. Perhaps when God was distributing brains they were among the last in the line, so now "studying" is not an option.

I disagree with you, so I must b a toilet cleaner with no brains. What do yo know about me? As far as I know you could be a drug dealer in one of Rio's many favelas.

Yes, because in Brazil there's only Rio, its capital is Buenos Aires and the people is a bunch of short, brown and spanish-speaking individuals whose ancestors are the Aztecs (sic).

A Brazilian, voce esta mostrando sua ignorancia. Seu idiota, eu conheco quase todo canto do Brasil e usei o Rio porque idiotas como voce geralmente vem daquele toilet que os cariocas chamam de cidade cidade maravilhosa.

Idiota, não sei, mas istrupício, ele é com certeza.

QUANTA PERDA DE TEMPO RETRUCAR TEXTOS. E SE FORMOS ANALISAR QUEM MORREU ENFORCADO NÃO FOI O LULA E TORRE GEMES NÃO É NO BRASIL E AFRICA E PAÍSES MISERÁVEIS NÃO SE CHAMA BRASIL NEM RIO. E SE AQUI TEM QUEM SE FODE. NO MUNDO T[Á CHEIO DE FUDIDO.AFINAL ONDE É O LUGAR MARAVILHA NOVA YORK..KKKKKKKKKKKKK

CUIDADO COM UM p**a MÍSSIL NA CABEÇA .QUEM TEM PRESIDENTE FACISTA E NEO NAZOCAPITALISTA. TEM QUE ANDAR DE CAPACETE E COM O CÚ NA MÃO. O BRASIL NÃO É TUDO ISSO MESMO. PAREM DE EPOCRESIA. MS QUEM FOR MELHOR SE FODE MENOS. NÃO ADIANTA GRITAR...O MUNDO É O PROBLEMA.O MUNDO DOS HUMANOS. UNS TRANG~ENICOS DE MUTAÇÃO GENÉTICA DE UMA RAÇA DE PRIMATAS [MACACOS][ NEM SABEM POR ONDE A GALINHA MIJA.

NÃO TEM JUSTIÇA EM LUGAR ALGUM....NO PLANETA ????? NEM A TERRA DEIXOU DE SE FUDER COM O HUMANO.

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QUANTA MERDAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

O MUNDO É UM CÚ MESMO...SEM OS HUMANOS A TERRA VAI MELHOR.

O BRASIL É A MAIOR BACIA HIDROGRAFICA DO MUNDO. SOMOS BILIONÁRIOS DA ÁGUA QUE VAI FALTAR....HEHEHEHEHEH..................

O PETRÓLEO É O MAIOR RESPONSÁVEL PELA DESTRUIÇÃO DO PLAENTA. E O MAIOR EXTRATOR E COMERCIANTE DE PETROLEO E CONSUMISMO É O E.U.A.

VÃO SE FUDE.

ÁGUA..................WATER.............................
BRASIL U$1000000000000000000000.9999990000000088888888809....ÁGUA.
SIMPLE DEMONSTRATION....HOW SMALL YOUR PLANTS ARE !
BECAUSE TO THE KNOWLEDGE OF EVERYONE, THE USA PRODUCES MORE ETHANOL THAN BRAZIL ! LIXO....

O petrólio começou no chão, Zé! Sua colocação não vale um cibazol!