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Brazilian Politics: Navel Gazing in Brasília - Largesse in São Paulo PDF Print E-mail
2007 - April 2007
Written by John Fitzpatrick   
Sunday, 29 April 2007 12:40

Brazil is not ready for another general blackout like the one in 2001 One of the most depressing aspects of Brazilian politics is the way many - if not most - of issues being dealt with at official level have nothing to with unleashing the country's potential and ending its social inequality. For example, the business community has been warning for about a year that Brazil faces a realistic prospect of another energy blackout in 2009. However, instead of being treated as an emergency, this issue is being kicked around like a ball.

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WE DO THE SAME IN AMERICA
written by Jay Glenn, April 30, 2007
Our congressmen and senitors are real good at one thing, getting re elected.
America Already has a Federal TV Net Work ( CSN )
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written by Ric, April 30, 2007
Lula was already almost unable to stand in the last election, after being served too many Coke cans filled with 100 proof.
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written by bo, April 30, 2007
written by Ric, 2007-04-29 22:40:42

Lula was already almost unable to stand in the last election, after being served too many Coke cans filled with 100 proof.



hope you're using a proxy Ric, they may deport you for that one! smilies/wink.gif
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written by Ric, April 30, 2007
It was in the magazines and on the TV. All I know is what I read in the papers.
wahtch the other hand
written by forrest allen brown, May 01, 2007
yes but the reporter that called him a drunk was sent home .back to the USA
now they on the other hand can call bush any thing they want
different rules on freedom of speach .
so will they pull the money out of there pockets or come up with some other tax to off set the new law
price
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written by Ric, May 01, 2007
Well, George Bush´s father said of him that he "couldn´t handle his liquor". So he reportedly gave up drinking. Lula, on the other hand, seems to handle it pretty well. And how could he endure all the besteira of comícios without a little help?
To: Forrest-wahtch the other hand
written by João da Silva, May 01, 2007
Forrest, my friend, where were you during the week end ? There is a Red Alert message for you from us in another thread under the article "Will Brazil Give Its Grandchildren the Chance for All It Denied Its Children?".

Be on the look out for a sinister character called GTY (you have known him before) who left Boca today for Belize in his leaky boat. His ETA unknown.More dtails on the other thread. Take care and keep us informed.
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written by Ric, May 01, 2007
"O young mariner
Down to the haven
Call your companions.
Launch your vessel,
Acrowd your canvas,

And ere it vanishes
Over the margin,
After it, follow it,
Follow the gleam."
To:Ric
written by João da Silva, May 01, 2007
I am impressed with your hidden talent as a poet
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written by Ric, May 01, 2007
Thank you but that was Tennyson.
Is Brazil a country for the future ? Good question !!!!
written by ch.c., May 01, 2007
What means long term...in Brazil ? 2-3 years...maximum ! Otherwise it is simply not profitable fast enough !
What means long term...in Brazil ? promises...never delivered !

Here is what a Brazilian agronomist residing in Brazil (a business partner) wrote me just a few weeks ago :
" Brazil has a terrible infrastructure, I agree. And that will not change for a long time. One example. The highway from Cuiabá to Santarém. They are announcing to complete that road for 30 years. The nort-south railway, that goes from São Luiz to Goiânia. It begun on 1986, and just now is in Tocantins State.The politics steal a lot here.
Do not believe in huge plans announced by the government"

Has Lula not promised to deliver a 5 % economic growth rate, year after year for the last 5 years ? He missed them all, except for 2004 when he was on target !
80 % failing rate ! I should say 80 % of lying rate !
Quite strange in a time frame when ALL developing countries grew by far more than Brazil, some 2 x as much, and a few over 3 x as much !!!!

Without improving considerably your infrastructure, you will never ever really shine in your growth rate, but worse....you will NOT reduce poverty !
Simply because by having very high transportation costs.....this penalty will not really allow for better wages for the poorests !
And increasing too much the lowest salaries without very large investments in infrastructure...wont make your agricultural products competitive.!

Conclusion : Brazil is not a country for tomorrow and not a country for the future...unless promises and necessary investments are finally delivered.

You will remain a BOOM AND BUST ECONOMY for the next several decades.

Who has ever seen the BR 163 ????? Just go to the videos of Globo Rural and watch by yourselves ! Impressive.....the Sad Reality !
Who knew that in Northern Brazil states, they import grains from Argentina for their chicken farms ? Much cheaper than the brazilians grains....contrary to what you all believe ?? Transportation costs being Reais 40.- per ton when brought from Argentina, and Reais 230.- per ton when brought from....Brazil ! Funny....inst it ?
Better yet, Argentina grains can be paid within 400 days at 6 %, while Brazilian grains must be paid....CASH !!!
To:Ch.C
written by João da Silva, May 02, 2007
You will remain a BOOM AND BUST ECONOMY for the next several decades


Quite an interesting observation. Are we in a boom or a bust cycle?
João
written by Professor, May 02, 2007
We are in a Bust (silicone) cycle. The bum bum (bicycle) cycle will be next!
end of report.
To:Prof
written by João da Silva, May 02, 2007
We are in a Bust (silicone) cycle. The bum bum (bicycle) cycle will be next!
end of report.


Great minds think alike! The bum bum cycle will be stimulated not by produzing ethanol,but Beans.Any time George or Lula want our opinion on altertative source of energy, they can pay a hefty consulting fee to us. I dont think either of them knows that we have developed highly effecient Gas Turbines. In Gas We Trust.

L Ying Low.

To:Prof
written by João da Silva, May 03, 2007
Unger is virtually unknown in Brazil, speaks Portuguese with a strong American accent and has acted as a guru to former (and perhaps future) presidential candidate, Ciro Gomes. Just what this new department will bring, apart from additional costs, is simply a mystery. It will join other equally nebulous ministries and departments looking after cities, women, racial equality etc.


Have you heard of Dr.Unger? He seems to speak Portuguese with a strong American accent.He reminds me of Henrry Sobel.

The creation of a Long Range Planning ministry is not a bad idea. However, I would be more comfortable if a full job description of this minister is made known to the Brazilian Public at Large.

Any comment from you will be highly appreciated by all the members of this forum.
GISELE BUNDCHEN
written by forrest allen brown, May 03, 2007
no longer a screte woman been beat out by a 5'10' other brazilian .
she is nice looking
while to me gisele took a lot of money to look that cheep
João
written by Professor, May 03, 2007
Have you heard of Dr.Unger? He seems to speak Portuguese with a strong American accent.He reminds me of Henrry Sobel.

Unger or Hunger? No, I have never heard of him, damn not another Snowbell (Sobel), one is enough!
Hard to keep up with the jones' (or AES) these days, I read crap all day long, the more I read the more I find sh*t I do not know!
I have been wondering also why Gisele bitchin is not going to be with V. Secret any longer, 'cause the article I read said nothing more than that, then after mucho hours I finally get back on this site, to find out good old Forrest seems to know!

At present I am working with a Prof. from U.S.P. on a scientific paper, so my head is full of mumbo jumbo, I am thoroughly cuntfused I am in overload! He won't let me add limericks to the #$@¨% paper!

The selection was tough, I admit.
He didn't stutter one little bit.
He threw his arse aloft,
And he suddenly coughed.
And collapsed in a shower of s**t!

end of report.

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written by aes, May 03, 2007
Give a man enough thread and hill hang himself.
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written by aes, May 03, 2007
Is that Felix Unger?
...
written by Professor, May 03, 2007
Is that Felix Unger?

Oh, ya I know now! The odd couple....like Hugo Chave & Evil Morales.
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written by aes, May 03, 2007
I thought Pelosi was going to cry when she announced that the President had vetoed her legislation, along with the angel of death head of the Senate. The people have spoken. And it was Swahili.

Dancing in a sawmill.
...
written by Professor, May 03, 2007
I thought Pelosi was going to cry

Don't be talking bad about Pilloski, João is madly in love with her!
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written by aes, May 03, 2007
The people have spoken and it is incoherentl. Polosivitch senses the way of the wind and it is across the bay bridge. The American streets were packed with felons demanding. When a felon demands and is not arrested, the law has been made a fool of. It was an opportunity to arrest and interrogate everyone of those people. Certainly pragmatic, an opportunity to solve the problem in one sweep of political will. But only in L.A. did the forces that be, trunchon up and face the hoi palloi of criminals, masquerating as American citicens, Demanding, justice under the law. Well the law is your 'under arrest', for breaking and entering.

If the U.S. is really in need of cheap labor, then I suggest we develop a workers program with the Chinese or the Bantu, one works for rice and the other feathers. While the Mexicans demand money. I wonder if they were paid the going rate in Mexico, in pesos, if they would bother with the trek of the coyote.
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written by Professor, May 03, 2007
Well the law is your 'under arrest'

The law of political correctness is not correct if it corrects itself.
How can idiot be an idiot and condemn idiots?
The handwriting is on the wall, just need someone with one good eye
who can read.
JOHN, AONDI KI TU SE METEU, HEIN FIU?
written by POBREZINHA DA ROCINHA, May 03, 2007
Ô JOHN, CADÊ TU?: AONDE QUE TU SE METEU?
VEJA BEIN, EU NUM PRECISO DE ENERGIA ELETRIKA PORKE EU CONSIGU ELA PEDALANU AKI
NA KASA DI MEU PATRAUN smilies/grin.gif
How can idiot be an idiot and condemn idiots?
written by aes, May 03, 2007
Nobody's perfect.
To:Prof
written by João da Silva, May 03, 2007
At present I am working with a Prof. from U.S.P. on a scientific paper, so my head is full of mumbo jumbo, I am thoroughly cuntfused I am in overload! He won't let me add limericks to the #$@¨% paper!


Are you sure that this Professor is not Roberto Unger and you didnt even bother to ask his name?
Joao: Roberto Mangabeira Unger
written by aes, May 03, 2007
Roberto Mangabeira Unger, Professor of Law at Harvard University, is the acknowledged founder and a leading practitioner of the critical legal studies movement. A Brazilian national, Unger went into exile in the United States in the early-1960s with his grandfather, a prominent socialist politician of the time. He was appointed to the Harvard Law School faculty immediately after obtaining his Masters degree, which was history of sorts for a university that sets much store by tradition. His publications include Democracy Realized: The Progressive Alternative, Politics: Anti-Necessitarian Social Theory in the Service of Radical Democracy, and Knowledge and Politics. Political mobilisation is important but it is insufficient as long as it is not accompanied by the organisation of civil society and the decentralisation of economic opportunity. We must have a different kind of market, which allows the people and the small businesses of the informal economy to pool their resources, with the government being the agent opening up their access to credit, technology and markets.

http://www.robertounger.com/heresies.htm

There are many Israeli models, especially in agriculture, the Kibbutz, but more importantly the Moshav. mo·shav(m-shäv)
n. pl. mo·sha·vim (mshä-vem)
An Israeli cooperative settlement consisting of small separate farms.
To:Prof
written by João da Silva, May 03, 2007
Don't be talking bad about Pilloski, João is madly in love with her!


Thanks for defending the love of my life smilies/grin.gif
João
written by Professor, May 03, 2007
Thanks for defending the love of my life

No problema!

Thanks to AES, now I know who Mr. Unger is!

If pillowski's carreer shakes a tit maybe you could run away with her
and live on a Moshav?
Global Mass disappearances?
written by Professor, May 03, 2007
The problem started in November and seems to have spread to 27 states, with similar collapses reported in Brazil, Canada and parts of Europe.

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.../705030358
Sanhedrin Love
written by Professor, May 03, 2007
The sons of Esau and Ishmael invite you to a red heifer BBQ.
http://www.ynetnews.com/Ext/Co...31,00.html
AES:Roberto Mangabeira Unger
written by João da Silva, May 03, 2007
AES,thanks for the info. Actually,I did remember Unger,being a a Law Professor of Harvard and a Brazilian.I have heard and read about him from time to time .However, the link you sent gives more insight into his thinking. It is quite surprising that he gave this interview to an Indian Newspaper in 2001 and I come to know more about him now!. Thank you so much for throwing more light on his credentials.

As I said before, the idea of creating a Ministry for Strategic Planning for Brazil is not a bad idea,though I still think that we have too many ministries.However, considering that Unger has good credentials, I would like to give him a chance and wish him all the best. I remember in the 70´s Pinochet had the boys from the U of Chicago to modernize the Chilean economy. Now Lula has boys from Harvard to implement strategies for the growth of Brazil,better income distribution, etc;

Thanks once again for sending the material on him.
Joao: Bovespa broke 50,000
written by aes, May 03, 2007
Bovespa just broke 50,010.
As to boom or bust
written by aes, May 03, 2007
Up for now and down hill later?
written by Professor, May 03, 2007
Bovespa just broke 50,010

Cool, I just finished opening a mixed bovespa stock acount.
Its is outperforming my Petrobitch and CVRD combined.
Should have done it a month ago thou. smilies/sad.gif
I will consider my three grains of rice(GTY attitude) pushed it over the top! smilies/grin.gif
AES
written by Professor, May 03, 2007
Here is a good place to track stocks..

http://br.invertia.com/mercados/acciones/default.aspx?idtel=IB030BOVESPA
JOão
written by Professor, May 03, 2007
Do you have stock in area 51, at Pirassununga?
Prof: PIRASSUNUNGA CACHAÇA 51
written by aes, May 03, 2007
I will purchase some stock, but Remy Marin is a better investment.

PIRASSUNUNGA CACHAÇA 51

Description:
Brazilian Cachaça, (pronounced kah-sha-sah), has been distilled from fermented sugar cane juice since 1543 when the process was developed at one of the first sugar cane mills near the port of Santos, Sao Paulo, by Erasmus Scheltz, a Swiss immigrant.

Hmm Ch.c perhaps he has a vested interst;
AES/ 51, cognac and jack
written by Professor, May 03, 2007
Hmm Ch.c perhaps he has a vested interst;

Good point, explains his one ended (looking thru a bottle) point of view!

I have been to PIRASSUNUNGA about 30 times, but only to stop at the Posto Graal/Pirassunga on the Anhanguera. Even went to Expozebo twice in Um-beraba (Uberaba).
I will purchase some stock, but Remy Marin is a better investment

Indubitably! For nostalgia sake I always keep a share of Jack Daniels, me and Jack go way back!
To:AES/Prof
written by João da Silva, May 03, 2007
Erasmus Scheltz, a Swiss immigrant.

Hmm Ch.c perhaps he has a vested interst;

I will consider my three grains of rice(GTY attitude) pushed it over the top!


These two are heavy investors in BOVESPA and inside traders.Good both of ya outsmarted them.

A bit busy with some (un)important visitors and will be in touch. In the meantime, Ya both keep posting and defending our honor.

Ah,Prof, American hospitality is generally displayed when your American host serves you with generous amount of Jack Daniels smilies/grin.gif
JOão
written by Professor, May 04, 2007
Ah,Prof, American hospitality is generally displayed when your American host serves you with generous amount of Jack Daniels

Everybody respects Jack!

Jack is like Forrest, been around along time, has a good bite and sturdy body and is well known on the Ho Chi Minh trail.
To:Prof
written by João da Silva, May 04, 2007
Jack is like Forrest, been around along time, has a good bite and sturdy body and is well known on the Ho Chi Minh trail.


Right. Dont forget Forrest has a big crush on Gisele Bundsen,like I have on Nancy.

Forrest must have been a Billy Goat from Texas on the Ho Chi Minh Trail.

No offense meant, Forrest.
Jack
written by João da Silva, May 04, 2007
All work and no work make Jack a dull boy smilies/cheesy.gif
JOão
written by Professor, May 04, 2007
Forrest must have been a Billy Goat from Texas on the Ho Chi Minh Trail

Well said!

Right. Dont forget Forrest has a big crush on Gisele Bundsen,like I have on Nancy.

Probably gives him goose bumps just pronuncing her name!

I wonder if his is ears are burning yet?
He is probably on reconnaissance awaiting GTY's arrival on the good ship lollypop.
To:Prof
written by João da Silva, May 04, 2007
He is probably on reconnaissance awaiting GTY's arrival on the good ship lollypop


Probably, the Coast Guard already boarded GTY´s ship and impounded it! Heard that the Government of Belize outsourced their coastal defense to our friend Forrest. Now we have a friend in high places in Belize.
João
written by Professor, May 04, 2007
Now we have a friend in high places in Belize.

Its good to have high friends in high places!
Boa Idea!
written by me, May 04, 2007
Visitar area 51.
the links....
written by bo, May 04, 2007
on this site don't work!


http://www.brazzil.com/content/view/9865/80/#jc_allComments
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