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Bye-bye, Brazil! I'm Jumping Out Here PDF Print E-mail
Written by Joe Sharkey   
Sunday, 17 June 2007 19:40

That's all folks And thanks for the use of the hall, as they used to say. I finally turn in my wings on the Brazil crash story. For eight months, I've tried, with what I would say is notable success, to report the developing story of the September 29 air crash in detail and with accuracy. Yes, I have been harsh when I thought it necessary. And yes, I have resorted to unseemly ridicule when I thought ridicule was necessary.

But the toll of personal advocacy journalism has finally reached the point where I can't pay it anymore.

I did this all independently, as a freelance writer, and at a pretty high price.

I owed nothing to no one, except perhaps the honorable Richard Pedicini, an American in Brazil who, on his own, contacted me in November to offer his services translating Portuguese reports and, as time went on, even doing his own reporting on court proceedings and the like.

I've known many fine and honest journalists in my life. Mr. Pedicini, whose background is in banking, not journalism, ranks among the finest because his motives were pure and basic: to report what happened, to drive at the truth, and to keep at it day in and day out.

Mr. Pedicini, whom I always jocularly referred to here as "our São Paulo bureau chief," was in fact just that. His agenda was and is pure: to get it straight. And he was getting it from Brazil.

I have been called an apologist for ExcelAire and for the accused pilots. That was never, ever true. I just reported the facts as I knew them. Aside from a strictly social occasion, when I was invited to be at the homecoming in Long Island when the pilots were released from Brazil in December, I have not met the pilots since we parted company after the crash in Brazil, and I have never been able to interview them back in the U.S. about the crash itself.

I make no excuses for manifest failings in this blog, including failings of tone. There have been no failings in accuracy that I know of.

"You sound too obsessed," someone said.

I had my reasons.

This has been my show from day one; my own way of dealing with what happened to me, to the rest of us who survived and, most importantly, with the 154 who died. I felt from the beginning that those tragic deaths were cynically exploited by the Brazilian authorities in what I will always regard as an odious attempt to shift blame away from the real problem - an infamously unsafe and badly maintained air-traffic control system - and onto the Americans as scapegoats.

If I had to employ images of the Keystone Kops and Three Stooges to underscore my point, so be it. So they were rude. They also were funny. Ridicule has its purposes.

There was never profit or benefit here for me. Far from it. I grossly neglected doing paying work to do this, and for the most part it was misery - which I suppose is a form of therapy.

I want no medals. They gave me one in Vietnam. That and US$ 2.99 will get me a cup of coffee at Starbucks.

But my Brazil posts on this eccentric blog do hold up, and they'll stand up years from now, as accurate and honest journalism that was done at a time, on the run, when no one in the mainstream press was interested in getting involved. For those of you who might be interested, I'm going to put all of the Brazil stuff in a separate archive linked to from this blog.

Meanwhile, in Brazil, we're back to nonsense. The aerial maneuvers! Have I singlehandedly revived Whac-a-Mole as a metaphor? It goes on and on.

But I cannot.

Thanks again to Richard. Thanks to dozens of other sources, including investigators and Brazilian officials who could not be named. And thanks to the dozens of international pilots who tuned in, and got it, and turned me in the right direction when my heading was off.

And thanks and lifelong affection to the other six of the Amazon Seven. That was one hell of a trip, guys. We probably shoulda gone to Atlantic City instead.

The rest is up to the mainstream press, which can afford to pay the price if it wants to invest the effort. Because this story is very far from over.

But for me, it's over and out.

Joe Sharkey writes, mostly about travel. He has been a columnist for the Philadelphia Inquirer, a reporter and editor for the Wall Street Journal and a columnist for the New York Times. On September 29, he was one of seven people aboard a business jet involved in a mid-air collision with a commercial 737 over the Amazon. All 154 people on the 737 died, while the business jet managed to land at a jungle airbase. Sharkey's account of the crash appeared on the front page of the New York Times and later as a 4,000-word magazine article in the Sunday Times of London. Comments can be sent to This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it  

This piece appeared originally at "Joe Sharkey At Large," the author's blog, which can be found in www.joesharkey.com.

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The Beat Goes On 1
written by Doggy Daddy, June 18, 2007
Hi Joe; Your right to cut now as your well spoken words just fall on deaf ears here. Richard should get a medal for sure. And as you say, the story is not finished yet by a long shot. Best wishes RW
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written by Wingnut, June 18, 2007
"I want no medals. They gave me one in Vietnam."

Burn many hootches to get it?
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written by Macunaima, June 18, 2007
Shame on you, Omar. It was for bombing the f@ck out of North Vietnamese villages from 20,000 feet. the guy's airforce, ain't he?
MAGAZINE VEJA IS RIGHT WING s**t
written by pobrezinha da mata, June 18, 2007
veja eh direitista smilies/cry.gif
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written by Ms. Wolfowitz, June 18, 2007
Mr. Sharkey I hope you get imortalized by your patriotic (and compassionate) gesture just as David Halberstam as a young reporter at New York Times did. His The Best and the Brightest is a no brainer book you should consider to read on your Vietnam adventure.

well you tried to do the right thing
written by FORREST ALLEN BROWN, June 19, 2007
History never looks like history when you are living through it.

on deaf ears your words fell,

to blind eyes your words were written

to a closed mind your thoughts were given

as the raven calls never more never more

this page in your life closes as the door on your airplane

dont feel bad as you did what was right

not many this day and age can say this

live well be happy
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written by Dom Oliveiro, June 19, 2007
Not sure why this article was found worth publishing.
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written by Pauli, June 19, 2007
Never having read any of Sharkeys articles I can´t comment on the honesty of his reporting.

It was my understanding that vital communication equipment was switched off in the plane of the American pilot. If this is the case, there is clear fault with the pilot.

I don´t know what the families of the victims are seeking as redress for their suffering, perhaps it is justice in terms of punishment for the pilot and if this is not possible then I presume they will follow the american way....$$$$$
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written by macunaima, June 19, 2007
From what I gather, there's enough shame and blame to spread around evenly on all sides.

Brazilian patriots try to make it seem like it was all the damned gringos fault. Meanwhile, American patriots like Mr. Sharkey generally rely on anti-third world prejudice to make their points.

For what it's worth, proximate guilt for the crash almost certainly lies with Brazil's air traffic control system, at least as far as I can figure (having read all I can on the topic - including Sharkey's articles). But the American pilots involved and CERTAINLY their reps in the U.S. government haven't acted responsibly. It's just blind luck, from their point of view, that things have turned out the way they did. Both the pilots and Condoleeza Rice were damning the Brazilian government in no uncertain terms about how it "blew its responsabilities" on this issue WEEKS before any substantial proof was found. Weeks, in fact, before the plane's black box was found, let alone analyzed. Their orientating principle seems to have been "We are American and thus can do no wrong. Let no thrid world monkeys tell you differently."

So it's understandable that those of us who do not feel that this thing should be treated like a World Cup match are, in fact, disgusted with both governments: Brazil for trying to cover up and shift blame, the U.S. for attributing blame based on prejudice before any substantive results even came in. Both governments have shown themselves to be completely untrustworthy and more than willing to bend facts for ideological reasons whenever it suits them.

So, frankly, patriots from both sides of the issue can go piss up a long, tight rope for all that I care.
Macunaima
written by A brazilian, June 19, 2007
Yes, I think you said it all. I think what pissed off the people in Brazil the most was the automatic "anti-third world" garbage thrown out in the media, especially by Mr Sharkey, about the situation. There were no evidences whatsoever, but they thought it was ok to spread all kinds of rumours as how the brazilians were lying. If it wasn't by Mr Sharkey's arrogance perhaps there wouldn't be that much controversy.

I must disagree with him about his conduct in reporting the facts. It wasn't the truth most of the time, especially in the beginning, but what he wanted it to be, simply because it was unconceivable to his patriotic mind that Americans would commit a mistake and third would monkeys would be able to judge them. There were even insinuations of "torture" and mistreatment when, in fact, the pilots were in a 5 stars hotel all the time.
Macunaima
written by A brazilian, June 19, 2007
On a second thought, all this noise about such thing serves him well as self-promotion. Perhaps he saw the opportunity to add something to his career?
my piss to your piss
written by Joseph, June 19, 2007
"Yes, I think you said it all. I think what pissed off the people in Brazil the most was the automatic "anti-third world" garbage thrown out in the media"........!!and I think what pissed us americans off here in Brazil, as we didnt hear any fair and balanced reporting in Brazil, were the stories full of crazy lies and speculation against the american pilots. I dont know what media your talking about but CNN, BBC and FOX were not throwing out 3rd world garbage. so frankly......piss on your story about media being unfair to Brazilians, its plainly untrue...
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written by guest1, June 19, 2007
"Yes, I think you said it all. I think what pissed off the people in Brazil the most was the automatic "anti-third world" garbage thrown out in the media"........!! I dont know what media your talking about


how bout nyt, salon, etc etc etc...

"Fair" brazilian justice as if PF, brazilian federal police and brazilian courts are not easily sell outs of Amerikkan dollars, still brazil's media covers the inefficiency and shows some thruth. Better than being prohibited by the government of disclosing soldiers dead, coffins, war disabled, etc. Sai do Brasil gringo fedido!
Joseph
written by A brazilian, June 20, 2007
piss on your story about media being unfair to Brazilians, its plainly untrue...


Not really, I think Sharkey gave and interview to some american TV, not sure if it was CNN, saying that the pilots were "in danger", insinuating that they could be killed or tortured. There were other statements from the American Pilots Association (is this the name?) saying that pilots shouldn't go to Brazil because Brazilians might decide to put them in jail (the pilots were in a 5 star hotel and they knew it, but even so they said "jail"), before any evidence in favor or against the pilots was released. Since day one the noise generated around this issue was ridiculously disproportionate.

I think it was clear from the beginning that they, at least Sharkey and that Association, wanted to make some pressure in order to release the pilots before any conclusion could be reached.

As you can see by his text Joe Sharkey sees himself as some sort of "hero". Strange people.
If you know Brazil...
written by Gty, June 20, 2007
One poster writes "there was blame to go around", but the Brazilian government and Brazilians themselves immediatly targeted the American pilots. It is cultural, Brazilians will never recognize their inadaqecies and impotence, it is their way and their shame. If you know Brazil, who would you really side with? Unfortunatly, for myeit is the case "of the boy that cried wolf", we all know that the air traffic control system, it's employees and Brazilian Aviation in general is that of any third world country, why would we not think that errors made by the Brazilian system led to the deaths of over a hundred of their country men, women and children. It is so easy to point fingers, Brazilians always take that easy way out, quickley handing out blame to deflect the truth. I commend the author and have no reason to doubt his reporting, what agenda would he have other than telling "the other side of the story"? Now we can examine both sides of the story, although I still think the Brazilian Aviation Authorities are covering up information to keep their obscene retirements, if you have half a brain and really analyze what happened, who do you really think should bear the burden of blame here? Two American pilots doing their job, or a defunct ATC system whose employees were asleep at the wheel? I hope the American pilots to not go back to stand trial, the will be persecuted by a corrupt justice system that lets criminal officals operate with impunity.
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written by A brazilian, June 20, 2007
If you know Brazil, who would you really side with?


I think your post was just a confirmation of what Macunaima said:

Meanwhile, American patriots like Mr. Sharkey generally rely on anti-third world prejudice to make their points.


Prejudice and prejudice only. Without any data or information you feel free to make affirmations you can't prove, always counting with the common knowledge, at least among some Americans, that "they can't do anything right".
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written by Gty, June 20, 2007
"Prejudice and prejudice only. Without any data or information you feel free to make affirmations you can't prove, always counting with the common knowledge, at least among some Americans, that "they can't do anything right". "

You pretty much got that one right Abe.
"Inadequacies"? Freud explica, meu bem...
written by macunaima, June 20, 2007
Gty sez:
One poster writes "there was blame to go around", but the Brazilian government and Brazilians themselves immediatly targeted the American pilots. It is cultural, Brazilians will never recognize their inadaqecies and impotence, it is their way and their shame. If you know Brazil, who would you really side with?

...Thus providing me with an excellent example of the World Cup attitude I wrote about above. Cut out "Brazil" from that phrase and slip in "America" and it makes just as much sense to Brazilian patriots as the original does to American patriots.

Both arguments are based on prejudice, ignorance and the idea that if the one country's government can be shown to be irresponsible devils, then the other country MUST be on the side of the angels.

As for "Brazilians never recognizing inadequacies and impotence", this is indeed true. But tell me, Gty, can the citizens of a country (the US) which is involved in its FOURTH go nowhere war in the last 100 years, which has repeatedly lied to iteself and to the world about why its fighting and what its capabilities to resolve said fighting, REALLY lecture Brazilians on taking public responsability for their impotence and inadequacies?

Please...

Methinks you need to talk to your family doctor about some little blue pills, son. Your personal health problems are beginning to affect your political analysis of the world. smilies/wink.gif
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written by Gty, June 20, 2007
"As for "Brazilians never recognizing inadequacies and impotence", this is indeed true. But tell me, Gty, can the citizens of a country (the US) which is involved in its FOURTH go nowhere war in the last 100 years, which has repeatedly lied to iteself and to the world about why its fighting and what its capabilities to resolve said fighting, REALLY lecture Brazilians on taking public responsability for their impotence and inadequacies? "

You won't have any argument from me here , I am not sure where you get the "fourth go nowhere war" though. But I am not a supporter of this President or his war, the Administration has lied repeatadly and has damaged our rep**ation and reduced our global influence, no nation is exempt from her mistakes and tragadies. I make no excuses for our conduct.

But the article was not about our war..it was about the plane crash tragedy and the fiasco around it, nothing about the poor families who have suffered.

As for blue pills...not yet needed. Do you think my Brazilian wife would stick around. The most important thing in life to a Brazilian women is a good hard dick.

4th go nowhere war
written by macunaima, June 20, 2007
I am not sure where you get the "fourth go nowhere war"

Phillipines, Korea, Vietnam and now Iraq. And hell, that's not even counting cheerful little U.S. song-and-dance routines like the TWO wars in Nicaragua (one in the early 20th century, one in the latter part) and the many inteventions in the Carribean and elsewhere where the U.S. has shown one and all its potency at nation-building and its adequacy in spreading Democracy.

[i}The most important thing in life to a Brazilian women is a good hard dick.

If you picked your wife up in front of Help, I suppose that's true. But most Brazilian women I know - including the two I've married and the several dozen I've dated in 20 years of living here - are like most other people I know the world over, men or women: they have a HELL of a lot of other things on their minds than sex.

But thank you for giving us yet another instance of American charm, perception and wit, C. I'm sure the many Brazilians reading this will be much more impressed by the U.S. and Americans now that they've heard your refeshingly objective, informed and balanced view of Brazilian women.
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written by allas, June 20, 2007
macunaima said it all.
To:Macunaima
written by João da Silva, June 20, 2007
But most Brazilian women I know - including the two I've married and the several dozen I've dated in 20 years of living here


Quite an accomplishment, mate, to have married two women and dated several dozens in the short span of 20 years of living in Brazil. I hope you are not paying hefty alimony to the women you married.

- are like most other people I know the world over, men or women: they have a HELL of a lot of other things on their minds than sex.


You are absolutely correct.

I'm sure the many Brazilians reading this will be much more impressed by the U.S. and Americans now that they've heard your refeshingly objective, informed and balanced view of Brazilian women.


Many Brazilians will certainly not get impressed, but upset with his views on Brazilian women.My only hope is that his Brazilian wife doesnt get to read his comments decides to chopp off his pecker. In case you dont know,GTY is married to his wife for over 20 years and he adores her and his Brazilian family.

BTW, I enjoyed reading your first comment about this article and I would rather wait till the final report comes out without indulging in Blame Games. This way, we will be respecting the souls of those 154 that perished in the accident.

Thnak you
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written by macunaima, June 20, 2007
João sez:
Quite an accomplishment, mate, to have married two women and dated several dozens in the short span of 20 years of living in Brazil. I hope you are not paying hefty alimony to the women you married.
Considering that my ex is a professional making as much cash as I do, no, I pay no alimony. As for having two wives - one current and one ex - in twenty years and having dated dozens of women... For twelve of those twenty years I was single. Two dates a year runs into "dozens" over that time period. I find it hard to believe that you think that this record is some sort of unusual "accomplishment". Most people I know would find it par for the course, João.

Many Brazilians will certainly not get impressed, but upset with his views on Brazilian women.

Sigh. I guess Ziraldo is right: we really need an icon which signifies irony. I, too, wonder if Gty has enough guts to tell his wife that he believes that she considers his dick to be the most important part of their relationship.
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written by macunaima, June 20, 2007
...er, make that sarcasm and not irony. We need icons for both.
To:Macunaima
written by João da Silva, June 20, 2007
I, too, wonder if Gty has enough guts to tell his wife that he believes that she considers his dick to be the most important part of their relationship.


Macunaima-san, why dont you ask GTY,yourself? Probably he asks his wife´s permission before posting his comments! That guy doent even realize that she holds his balls in her hands.

Ok, I accept your expalanation about your not paying alimony to your ex and having so many girfriends between the first separation and re marrying. I hope you are not having girl friends.If you are,you may end up Dickless.GTY know this fact and that is the reason why his marraige is going steady and well.Our Brazilian ladies are wonderful and great.Make no mistake about it.
Too serious boys
written by GTY, June 20, 2007
First, I admire your accomplishments with two wives and hundreds of women, you must be some stud. Second you must enjoy driving a Honda Fit, as most "professional women" especially the ones in front of "Help" make little indeed in Brazil, are you making one salary...or two. Perhaps your first wife left you because you were not able to provide for her? I don't know...just speculation. So you Mac are Carioca, the dumbest bunch of the lot, thank God for Paulistas, at least you can have an intelligent conversation regarding business with one. I'll bet you can be found 12 hours a day at Posto 9 kicking around a football with the rest of the over 40 bunch living off their parents money.

By the way...I'll give you Vietnam and I don't remember fighting a war with the Philipines, I do know we drove the Japanese out. There has been peace on the Korean penensula since the DMZ was created, South Korea enjoys a buzzing economy, one much better than yours and the North continues in squallar, so there were success. You also forgot our action in Panama, which by the way I was proud to be a part of, I was also part of the Granada invasion, you should have seen how fast the Cubans put up white flags. Nicaragua was part of the Cold War, which by the way in every analysis was won by us. Ortega is back, but what a good boy he is now, no Chavez in him, just wants better trade relation with the US. In fact so many US retirees there, he needs those dollars as well. It is a safe country, something you can't say about Brazil...great fishing and surfing too!

I would be proud for my dick to be your icon. You are incorrect though, my wife frequently tells me that my dick is the most important part of our relationship, that and the 06 745i she drives.

Your ATC system is a joke, your aviation authorites are liars and boobs and your people, because of their hate for the American people were quick to blame 2 blameless American pilots. Do you think if they had any proof those pilots would be here in the US? Your defense of the indefensable is comic.
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written by João da Silva, June 20, 2007
http://www.estadao.com.br/ulti...20/197.htm

An interesting article about the accident of GOL.
Joao
written by GTY, June 20, 2007
Hey...where is Bo, have not heard from him for a while. I hope he did not meet with the same fate as his friend that was shot.

To:GTY
written by João da Silva, June 20, 2007
Hey...where is Bo, have not heard from him for a while. I hope he did not meet with the same fate as his friend that was shot.


I dont think that he met the same fate.Remember he mentioned that he was going to the States in June? Probably he is already there spending quality time and giving company to his Mom and the family. AES also disappeared-probably in U.S. also. As for the Prof, he must be fine tuning his plans to visit Portugual.

Glad that you are giving us company .Keep up the good work. smilies/grin.gif
To:Macunaima
written by GTY, June 20, 2007
Check out this link...what the hell is your military doing??

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070620/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/brazil_violence_1;_ylt=AvN.xEo2Bv7dSv2OrfNwbXBP_8wA
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written by João da Silva, June 20, 2007
Check out this link...what the hell is your military doing??


Checked out the link.A good question.
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written by macunaima, June 21, 2007
GTY sez...

First, I admire your accomplishments with two wives and hundreds of women, you must be some stud.

Like I said, 2 wives in 20 years and a couple dozen girlfriends in a dozen years of being single does not a stud make. That's NORMAL in my book. I find it sad that you think it's excessive, GTY. And you know what else, GTY? I didn't have to bribe any of them with a 06 745i to get them to sleep with me. But I guess when one is an ugly motherf**ker with the personality of a pitbull, money will just have to do.

I don't drive and, frankly, most of the girls out in front of Help make quite a lot of cash, relatively speaking. Certainly more than me or most Brazilians, that's for sure. My first wife and I disagreed about a lot of things, cash among them. But our final split had far more to do with just general, rundown, irreparable relationships than money or anything else for that matter. But you're damned right about one thing: I do not consider it my role on this planet to "provide for" any adult woman who's quite capable of working for herself. I'm interested in partnerships, not prostitution, which is what you're "providing for" is all about when it comes right down to it. I don't date women who feel that I must be their sugar daddy. I'm not even interested in them. That is one of the reasons why -even though I've had as many fights with women as any other guy - I have never lost my economic shirt to them. You marry a girl who sees you as her meal ticket and you get exactly what you deserve.

I'll bet you can be found 12 hours a day at Posto 9 kicking around a football with the rest of the over 40 bunch living off their parents money.

I've lived for about 10 years in Rio and 10 in SP and haven't seen any notable difference in the intelligence levels of either population, but I am aware that it is a typical prejudice to believe such a thing exists among the more ignorant sort of gringo who's bopping around out there. And I only WISH I could hang out at Posto 9 all day. I work about 60 hours a week. But hey: when I DO get off, I CAN go to the beach, então morra de inveja, seu paulista postíço. smilies/grin.gif

By the way...I'll give you Vietnam and I don't remember fighting a war with the Philipines, I do know we drove the Japanese out.

Sad, isn't it, how Americans are ignorant of their own history? Look up the American occupation of the Phillipines after the Spanish-American War and get back to me. You guys STILL have troops over their chasing guerrilhas to this very day. Here's a wikipedia link for you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phillipine_War

250,000-1,000,000 Philipino dead and about 5000 dead Yanks to no useful purpose. And guys like you don't even know this war existed because it doesn't show up on the History Channel. Sad.
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written by macunaima, June 21, 2007

There has been peace on the Korean penensula since the DMZ was created.
All of which could have happened 3 years and several 100,000 casualties earlier if the U.S. hadn't gotten frisky and decided to invade the North, thus bringing China into the war and unnecessarily prolonging affairs and suffering. Pretty f**king useless if you ask me, but then again, you're obviously a flag-waving "the U.S. can do no wrong" type.

You also forgot our action in Panama, which by the way I was proud to be a part of, I was also part of the Granada invasion, you should have seen how fast the Cubans put up white flags.

Oh, wow! Granada and Panama! Now THOSE were wars. Gee, did you get to cluster-bomb any schools, Gty, or did you just have to content yourself with bombing Panama City favelas and imagining the devastation you caused to the civilians below? Get any purple hearts for hang nails while you were over there, hero? And maybe - since you seem to be an authority on American history - you can explain to me who put Manuel Noriega into power in the first place and kept him on the CIA payroll while he was there? The Soviet Union, perhaps? If you're proud of your personal involvement in that sort of thing, all I can say is that you have very low standards, indeed. The typical carioca dono do morro has more ethics than that.

Nicaragua was part of the Cold War, which by the way in every analysis was won by us.

Explain to me, exactly, how the contras contributed to the Soviet economic collapse. And what does who "won" have to do with whether something is morally correct or not? By that sort of reasoning, the only thing wrong with Adolph Hitler was that he LOST. That's the kind of thinking I'd expect from a common thug, not a professional military man. But then again, what kind of guy would proudly thump his chest over "victories" in Granada and Pananam EXCEPT a common thug?

It is a safe country, something you can't say about Brazil...great fishing and surfing too!

So move there. And don't let the door slam your ass on the way out.

You are incorrect though, my wife frequently tells me that my dick is the most important part of our relationship, that and the 06 745i she drives.

I gotta hand it to you, Gty: not many men have the guts (or the stupidity) to publicly admit that their wife is a gold-digging whore, but you're the exception. How much does your trophy cost you each year and is she tax-deductible as a business expense? Maybe you should upgrade to a Russian mail-order bride? Spoils of the Cold War and Russia's "booming" economy, hmmm....? smilies/cheesy.gif

Your ATC system is a joke, your aviation authorites are liars and boobs and your people, because of their hate for the American people were quick to blame 2 blameless American pilots. Do you think if they had any proof those pilots would be here in the US? Your defense of the indefensable is comic.

Not my ATC system, authorities, or people, Monkey Boy. And who the f**k is defending Brazil? Maybe with that remedial history course, you should also invest in basic reading comprehension, too.
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written by "Magnus Brasil", June 21, 2007
As for blue pills...not yet needed. Do you think my Brazilian wife would stick around. The most important thing in life to a Brazilian women is a good hard dick.


No, GTY, you're wrong. As they say here in Brasil," Faggots like dicks. Women likes money.
But that's your case too, anyway. smilies/grin.gif
Macunaima
written by GTY, June 21, 2007
Thanks, you make my point exactly, we prefer to take care of or women, thus they hang around, Brazilians, like in your case, prefer someone take care of them, or they take care of only themselves. It is unfortunate that you can not provide your women with the things they need. The fundemental diference is that you live in a third world socialist country, I live in a Imperialistic, capitalistic country...and I enjoy every day of it, so does my Brazilian wife. As are the many Brazilian women that I know married to Gringo's. Do you think they would prefer to live in a Brazilian city, dodging stray bullets and being with men who have to walk and work 60 hours a week to make $R3,000 a month? No apoligies from me, my Carioca friend.

I have spent much more time in your country than most "ignorant Gringos" both on business and pleasure, last year at least 2 months over several trips. My customers are multi-national pharma companies mostly in Sao Paulo, but it do see Sanofi and Bayer in Rio...I can tell you, there is a big "brain power" difference between Carioca's and Paulista's, Caricoa men are morons, however your women are pretty smart.

I was not bragging about Panama or Grenada, it was just my timing, in our military you go where you go when you are called, in yours you desert or run from the Drug Lords who have taken over the favelas. Prefering firefights across miles of urban roads and barios, killing innocent men, women and children in the crossfire instead of going up on the hill and having the balls to fight the battle to win...in other words, your military is and always will be cowardly.

I don't think I called your wife a "whore" but it's easy to say anything on a blog, I am sure you are the typical Carioca man, about 5 foot 5, 150lbs and huge pussy, I wish you were here to call my wife a whore in front of me, my friends could laugh and drink beer while they watched me beat you to a pulp. I have seen so many Brazilian men back down from a confrontation it makes me want to puke. In fact, I saw a British guy in a bar in Lapa kick three guys asses while the rest of his friends ran away, a culture of mommies boys..you all make me sick. Prentendin to be men when you are all little boys no matter what your ages.

Live an die in Rio...what a waste of a life.
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written by Wingnut, June 21, 2007
OOOOh HOOO! Check out Gty! He hates "cariocas who live on daddy's money", but when it comes to the lil' birdie who's swabbing his pole, why then paying someone else's way in the mean old world is just fine!

Hey Gty, tell us: why is it bad to live off of Daddy but OK to live off of a Sugar Daddy, like yourself?

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written by Wingnut, June 21, 2007
I wish you were here to call my wife a whore in front of me, my friends could laugh and drink beer while they watched me beat you to a pulp.


I just love these guys who drive jags, have 20 inch dicks and are willing to beat anyone to a pulp on the internet. Wanna see what Gty's world probably looks like in real life? Take a gander here...

http://www.whitetrashworld.com/plogger/
"Take care of your women"...?
written by Aninha, June 21, 2007
As a Brazilian woman, I can say that a woman who is with a man because of the gifts he gives her and who tells him what a nice dick he has so he thinks he's a big guy and give her more money, that kind of woman, in Brazil, is called a piranha. Many gringos marry them because they think all women and mainly all Brazilian women are whores in the first place, so they can't tell the difference between a woman from a good family and prostitute. It looks like gty is one of these kinds of gringo.
TO:GTY
written by João da Silva, June 21, 2007
Live an die in Rio


You writing a book under this title,just to prove that you are the modern day version of Ian Flemming who wrote "Live and Let Die"?
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written by Macunaima, June 21, 2007
I don't think I called your wife a "whore"


Why would you? She makes her own way in life, without needing to suck some guy's c**k to earn her daily bread.

As for your wife, Bubba, don't get offended: I just call 'em like I see 'em. The idea that she's with you because of your dick is a charming conceit, but we all know that's not true: women can get dick anywhere, anytime, and probably of a much better quality that your Mr. Droopy. Your admit that "wife" (cof, cof) strokes your ego about your dick and she's with you because of the car you gave her... Well, hell, Bubba, back where I grew up, we got a name for that kind of woman. As Aninha pointed out, Brazilians ALSO have a name for that kind of woman. If it looks like a duck, waddles like a duck and f**ks like a duck...

I see know reason for you to get your mantitties in a twister, Gty. After all, it was YOU who told us all that the expensive gifts you give your wife are the reason she's with you. I show you a shoe and you, sweet little Cinderella that you are, confirm to one and all that it's a precise fit for your little tootsies and now you're upset that everyone's drawn the obvious conclusion? Please.

But don't get me wrong: I'm impressed with Mrs. Gty's moves. It's not every working girl that kind find a big 'ol fat banana like you (and note that I ain't refering to Mr. Droopy in your shorts, there). She may have a whore's heart, but she's certainly got the smarts where it counts. I'm rooting for her! I hope she manages to get all that she can out of you. No condemnation here at all.

I just find it hilarious that you think being a Papai Noel is something to be proud of.

Prefering firefights across miles of urban roads and barios, killing innocent men, women and children in the crossfire instead of going up on the hill and having the balls to fight the battle to win...in other words, your military is and always will be cowardly.


This, from a man who thinks that Panama and Granada were courageous and noteworthy military actions? Please... And once again, not my military, Monkey Boy.

I wish you were here to call my wife a whore in front of me, my friends could laugh and drink beer while they watched me beat you to a pulp.


Help! I'm being threatened on the internet by fat yankee s**tbird! Oh, my! Whatever shall I do? smilies/grin.gif smilies/grin.gif smilies/grin.gif smilies/grin.gif smilies/grin.gif

I'm not hard to find, Gty. You get on the carioca metro north line to Engenho da Rainha station. Get off and ask directions to the "complexo do alemow". Once you find the place, ask to be taken to see the "dono da boca". You can challenge me to a fight as soon as you get there and all your mates can come along and watch. I'll be waiting for you, Bubba. Don't wuss out on me now.

HaHaHaHa!
written by GTY, June 21, 2007
Pussy Burro, typical f**kin Carioca, what pieces of s**t you all are, no wonder you are all so jealous of the Gringos (although I am Hispanic and will kick you in the head once I have knocked you down, we are known for that you know) who steal your women, money and laugh the entire time. Why do you think there are a zillion Brazilian women living in South Florida, because you poor excuses for men can't keep em happy...they come here for a decent life, where their kids can get a good education and have an opportunity to make something of themselves besides selling Skol and Globos on the beach. Or better yet, juggeling tennis balls on the corner of Joana Angelica and Baro de Torre.

I'm typical, won't hide it, like to brag about it, big boat, nice cars, big home (I do hire illegal Brazilians to clean it and cut the grass, might be one of your cousins), hard dick and lots of $$$ in the bank. I don't have to apoligize to anyone. I'll teach my kids to watch out for pussys like you and to be American's and not Brazilian's. And...when I am sitting around my pool this Saturday, with all my wifes' hot young friends, I won't think a minute about the pathetic 60 hour work week life you live in Favela Alemow. Now, Aninha, if you would like to come by with a filo dental, you are more than welcome. You would if you could, don't lie to yourself, unless you are one of the fat Brazilian women for Valaderes, then you can clean my toleits, I pay US100.00 twice a week to my current Brazilian maid, but if you would do it for $99...I'll give you the job. I'll hire your kid to wash my Hummer.

So when I am out on my Contender on Sunday, making the trip to Bimini with my hot (and topless) young Brazilian wife that is spoiled rotten and loves it. I will agonize about all the s**t you all blog...while I drink my first Bloody Mary of the day.

Paz
The s**tbird speaks...
written by Macunaima, June 21, 2007
LoL.

You are too much of a characiture to be for real, Gty. I just figured it out.

You had me going there for awhile, though, I'll admit.

smilies/cheesy.gif smilies/cheesy.gif smilies/cheesy.gif smilies/cheesy.gif smilies/cheesy.gif smilies/cheesy.gif
Trust me
written by GTY, June 21, 2007
I'm for real, you just wanna be me.

To:GTY
written by João da Silva, June 21, 2007
while I drink my first Bloody Mary of the day.


Dont forget to have a Screw Driver too. bty, does the tomato juice in your Bloody Mary come from Brazil or you prefer to use the domestic produze?

And remember to let your wife take command of the Boat, while you are having your Bloody Marys and Screw Drivers.

A bad news for ya. The price of Skol has gone up considerably. It is no longer a 50 cent a can,but almost 75. So you might have to spend more money while in the Amazon.Of course for you what is a 50% increase in the price.You can afford.
TO:Macunaima
written by João da Silva, June 21, 2007
You are too much of a characiture to be for real, Gty. I just figured it out.


You were much faster than I was in figuring it out! You have to read all his posts to appreciate his sense of humor!!
Joao
written by GTY, June 21, 2007
Holy s**t...$0.50 for a Skol, my God, how much is a Bohemia???
To:Macunaima
written by João da Silva, June 21, 2007
my Contender


I forgot to tell ya that his boat "Contender" is nuclear powered and he built it himself. He also owns a mini Space Shuttle.
Wrong again Joao
written by GTY, June 21, 2007
A Contender is a brand, Google their website, the boats name is the "Reel Fun" and runs three 250 horsepower outboards. I didn't say I owned a mini space shuttle, just a Beamer that my wife uses to shuttle my kids to football training. Life is sssssooooo good here in Miami, truley the worlds greatest city.
To:GTY
written by João da Silva, June 21, 2007
Holy s**t...$0.50 for a Skol, my God, how much is a Bohemia???


You dont pay any attention. The Skol costs $0.75 now and Bohemia $1.00.It is becoming very expensive to drink beer these days ,thanks to your beloved friend Lula . I think I will start drinking Cachaça and I suggest you bring your own drinks while traveling in Amazon smilies/angry.gif
To:GTY
written by João da Silva, June 21, 2007
I didn't say I owned a mini space shuttle


Never mind and you dont matter. I say you own a mini space shuttle unless I say otherwise.This is called disinformation and part of the "Art of War" written by Sun Tsu (did I spell the name correctly). And dont come up with the bulls**t that you havent heard about or read this book.
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written by ms., June 21, 2007
Hello people, I'm just entering the 'discussion' now...

i 've got tell you all that, although I don't have the stomach to read JOAO DA SILVA the fixed idea I get while reading his posts further, which I barely do, is that he is a big QUEEEEEEEEEEEEER. Ugh, joao please you make your brazilian compatriotas ashamed. less gay PLEASE.............
To:ms
written by João da Silva, June 21, 2007
i 've got tell you all that, although I don't have the stomach to read JOAO DA SILVA the fixed idea I get while reading his posts further, which I barely do, is that he is a big QUEEEEEEEEEEEEER


Thanks. Do you have anything against Queers? If so, you better check our laws and if you do so, you will discover that it is fobidden to be discriminatory against Queers.
MS the Homophobe
written by GTY, June 22, 2007
Please EXIT the discussion now MS, our good buddy Joao, also known as Gilligan is twice the man you will ever be and why did you pick the screen name "MS"? That sounds kind of gay to me.

Joao, I am a discipile of Tsu, use him when selling drugs to the pharma market. My chosen profession is fighting battles everyday with the competition, I win more than my share.
JOAO DA SILVA
written by ms. tobias, June 22, 2007
You self-defended queer!!!!! You gay stop sucking gringo balls. Have self-respect. hahahahah GTY there are only gays on this site??? hahahahahaha Yuk, what woman wants to read gay discussions??? hahahaha
GTY
written by Wingnut, June 22, 2007
I'm for real


Next time you want to come across as a s**t-hot, big spending playboy, Gty, don't try so hard. Real wealthy people don't spend their time bragging about their lifestyle in anonymous internet postings. You might have gotten away with your portrayal if you'd keyed it down. As is... well...

I found a great 18th century definition of the kind of American you most probably are. In 1760, the English Earl of Dartmouth received a letter describing the poor white trash of the Southern colonies in the following terms:

"I should explain to your Lordship what is meant by Crackers ; a name they have got from being great boasters and liars; they are a lawless set of rascalls on the frontiers of Virginia, Maryland, the Carolinas, and Georgia, who often change their places of abode".

Fits you to a tee.
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written by Aninha, June 22, 2007
Now, Aninha, if you would like to come by with a filo dental, you are more than welcome. You would if you could, don't lie to yourself, unless you are one of the fat Brazilian women for Valaderes, then you can clean my toleits, I pay US100.00 twice a week to my current Brazilian maid, but if you would do it for $99...I'll give you the job. I'll hire your kid to wash my Hummer.


Gty, my family could probably buy and sell yours. I also do not think that people who are doing well in life need to brag about what they own. That is a very low class attribute.
To:Miss.Tobias
written by João da Silva, June 22, 2007
You self-defended queer!!!!! You gay stop sucking gringo balls. Have self-respect. hahahahah GTY there are only gays on this site??? hahahahahaha Yuk, what woman wants to read gay discussions??? hahahah


I must congratulate you for your excellent English.It is real Queer´s English. I bet you learnt it while living in good ole England and polishing the shoes of the Bobbies in London Town.
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written by YukonSam, June 22, 2007
I wanted to be part of a rational, intelligent discussion about the Gol/Legacy disaster but all I'm seeing are the usual infantile, moronic comments that have nothing to do with the original topic. Let's cut the recriminations and name calling.
JOAO DA SILVA
written by ms. tobias, June 22, 2007
Nega, why don you go on throwing your constitution amendments at me so you make stop? It is not a law that will make me respect queers. I probably respect you more than you respect yourself xiii
Miss:Tobias
written by João da Silva, June 22, 2007
Where you from,Fortaleza?
Yuck on Sam
written by Simpleton, June 22, 2007
Meaningful discussion much less honesty doesn't make it's abode here (nor anywhere else in the country to which this site presumably revolves around.

Last thing I saw of relavance was A-B stating hers(shes) belief of the intents of the author and others way back when: "wanted to make some pressure in order to release the pilots before any conclusion could be reached."

What's still incredible is that A-B simply doesn't understand that it matters naught that they were in X stars worth of accomodations vs an institution formally designated a prison, they were in fact being imprisioned from the point in time they completed their initial deposition. Waiting a month or so until the controllers could get over their illnesses enough to make their depositions hasn't got a damned thing to do with it nor does what forces were working on the public (or behind the scenes political wrangling) that went on, the fact that there was a "release" before any conclusion could be reached (using A-B's rationale for not letting those poor b'tards go home mais pronto) proves they were prisoners (and would still be now and forever until the ATC, FAB, infrustruture are proven to have had nothing what so ever for a contributions to the tragedy).
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written by allas, June 22, 2007
Aninha said:
Gty, my family could probably buy and sell yours. I also do not think that people who are doing well in life need to brag about what they own. That is a very low class attribute.

The name of that is new money, if any.
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written by "Magnus Brasil", June 22, 2007
I am sure you are the typical Carioca man, about 5 foot 5, 150lbs and huge pussy

Hey Gty, I don't know how tall is 5,5 I guess it's supposed to be short, but i'm a 1,90m and proud GAÚCHO from Vale do Caí, not a carioca. João might know where is it.

I wish you were here to call my wife a whore in front of me, my friends could laugh and drink beer while they watched me beat you to a pulp. I have seen so many Brazilian men back down from a confrontation it makes me want to puke.


I guess it's not exactly like that. Those jiu-jitsu cariocas wouldn't make it that easy for you. They are always the ones to be beaten on MMA fights.

After all, you don't know the south, better, by your posts you don't have a minimum idea of what the normal life is in normal Brasil.
Doesn't matter , after all, I'm brasilian, and brasilians are scum.I just don't know why you keep coming to this site. Perhaps to take a few laughs on João's responses. That guy has a gift. Not everyone has the ability to keep it cool, and still being "por cima da carne seca". smilies/grin.gif
Magnus Brasil
written by João da Silva, June 23, 2007
Hey Gty, I don't know how tall is 5,5 I guess it's supposed to be short, but i'm a 1,90m and proud GAÚCHO from Vale do Caí, not a carioca. João might know where is it.


Bah tche,you from our southern border? I am very pleased and of course I know where you come from.5.5 is equal to 1,60 m.

Doesn't matter , after all, I'm brasilian, and brasilians are scum.I just don't know why you keep coming to this site. Perhaps to take a few laughs on João's responses. That guy has a gift. Not everyone has the ability to keep it cool, and still being "por cima da carne seca".


Who says the Brazilians are scum ? Not all .I dont think that the Scum GTY has ever visited our beloved South. I think he should hire a car in POA and drive to Gramado and all the nice places in RS where there are plenty of good things to see and appreciate (good women too).btw, GTY comes to this site just to impress his Brazilian Sogra (probably a good Gaucha).

You stay cool and dont get intimidated by GTY. We Southerners are not accustomed to be pissed upon by these ruthless Gringos.
com magnum o jiu-jitsu
written by Simpleton, June 23, 2007
The only jiu-jitsu cariocas I've met were mulheira and had been campeon in their class one or more times, one on the national level. Neither had the let me turn my face to the wall or back down from c**ky Gringo issues like Gty aludes the homen have. One has had the opportunity to have been robbed on multiple occassions by bandidos that in other circumstances and or a one on one situation she undoubtedly would have beaten the paydu out of. I'm wondering whether advantages purportedly gained on the fiscal front of business dealings hasn't made Gty think that that great cack of his makes him sufficiently more of a manly man that he can gradate cariocas from paulistas from . . . with unquestionable authority.
To:Yukonsam
written by João da Silva, June 23, 2007
I wanted to be part of a rational, intelligent discussion about the Gol/Legacy disaster but all I'm seeing are the usual infantile, moronic comments that have nothing to do with the original topic. Let's cut the recriminations and name calling.


Yukonsam, you wouldnt find any rational,intelligent discussion about Gol/Legacy disaster in this thread. There is a Swiss guy who goes by the name of ch.c that keeps on interrupting.If youtook a little time to read the comments of Macunaima, you will get a better picture.He said it all.

You from Yukon?
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written by aes, June 23, 2007
It is better to be rich than poor. One of the things that money allows is time, freedom of time, freedom of choice.

The life of the rich and the poor are very different except in Hawaii where all of the beaches are public and the poor lay upon the white sands of Waikiki along side the rich, it is an amusing irony.

GTY's life is a DICTATORSHIP (just punning). He is a fisherman, a teller of truths and of tales. But as a fisherman one can discern the truth of the tale. The lure, the line, the test, the outrigger, the electronics, define the veracity of the tale.

Now I haven't heard him describe the gutting of the fish, but it is often enough just to catch them. Leave the rest to the cook.

I have seen extreem wrestling, cage fighting and the Brazilians are amongst the toughest.

Skol is $1.50 on the Beach at Leblon now. . .may be forced to go back to Remy.



To:Macunaima
written by aes, June 23, 2007
Your perception of global political history is based on a naive concept of event.

You wish to start with the Spanish American War.

It would be better to start with the Ottoman Turks to gain a greater understanding of current events.

You ask about Granada mockingly, but the Russians were building some of the largest runways in the world their using Cuban labor.

There are military and strategic reasons that are above your pay grade.

But if you want to see the raison d'etre of a thing look at the consequence. Marxism is dead, China is a global capitalistic society, with access to satelite and internet. The old Soviets have broken into a multitude of free states, the Berlin Wall no longer exists, and all of this is related to everything that was done over the past 100 or so years.

You are a Monday morning quarterback. You would not have dropped the atomic bomb, killing a 150,000 instead of a million which was the estimate of what an invasion of Japan by the U.S. was estimated.

Ahh the horror. What about Darfur, Cambodia, Yougoslavia, Bosnia, Iran, Iraq (they killed a million of each other). You are politically naive and ill informed.

Your view of history is obfiscated with the lenses of political idealism. Hell they just released slaves in China, Friday. They are butchering hundreds of thousands of innocents in Darfur, what do you suggest, a flower?

Peace in our time, Chamberlain's words before the deluge of 10 million butchered.

Man is a psychocybernetic organism, we stumble off balance making minute subtle corrections to our errors, I suppose the goal is not to get killed, it seems the world has become less of a threat to itself over the past fifty years. Certainly there must have been some relationship between U.S. political policy and the diminised threat to us all.

There is truth in what gift may from the sea
written by Simpleton, June 23, 2007
sea ase esa aes

Yes, you can be rich or poor or anywhere in between and go to the sea and fish. To catch fish, to catch big fish, to catch many many fish, whether it is for you have enough to eat or for you are satisfied in some other way (even if you catch none), it is enough.

Yes, the freedom of having enough for a rental car to go to some remote praia with a cooler full of Antartica or Ipaitava (which was cheaper by far in that locale at that time) was great. Having the freedom to pick up a few extra sinkers and hooks and more shrimps paid off as well. It was enough to make for a great day, to relieve the pain of age, to finish filling the bolsa for the family churrasco on Sunday, to keep a quartet of 10-11 year old local boys with hand lines spooled around old soda bottles / whatnot into the game and having a blast for several hours more than they would have had otherwise. Ignoring the vehicle expense, what $15 or there abouts brought was priceless. Even without the Contender, young hottie freinds in tow and opportunity for toplessness views, such a day especially with acompanhada like mine was enough to make me feel very very rich indeed.
Yukonsam: NTSB
written by aes, June 23, 2007
Those who are following this story carefully might want to consult the ExcelAire report that I linked to earlier -- here's another link to it -- specifically the section regarding questions about the transponder equipment and its history. In that 22,000-word report, filed in Portuguese on April 9 with the Federal Police, ExcelAire says it didn't learn till after the crash that some key c**kpit equipment was used, not new, and had in fact been repaired before being installed in the Legacy.

Neither Embraer, the plane's manufacturer, nor Honeywell, which made the transponder equipment, has commented on that. Honeywell did comment (last item, below) on the recent N.T.S.B. report, saying its transponders meet current standards in how they alert pilots to a malfunction. No one disputes that point.

It's been known since day one, by the way, that the transponder on the Legacy apparently was not transmitting a signal, removing the last potential barrier to a mid-air collision that was already long set in motion by failures on the ground that kept the two aircraft coming at each other at 37,000 feet.

The new N.T.S.B. report that has the Brazilian authorities so riled up merely says that c**kpit voice-recording data show that the American pilots were not aware the transponder was malfunctioning till after the impact -- which has been known for some time. The report suggests to the F.A.A. that transponders ought to be designed to give pilots sufficient warning when they are not functioning.

And as I have reported here repeatedly, Brazilian air-traffic control was aware that the Legacy's transponder wasn't signaling at all for about 55 minutes before the crash -- and inexplicably did nothing about it.
http://joesharkeyat.blogspot.c...again.html
AES
written by João da Silva, June 23, 2007
GTY's life is a DICTATORSHIP (just punning). He is a fisherman, a teller of truths and of tales. But as a fisherman one can discern the truth of the tale. The lure, the line, the test, the outrigger, the electronics, define the veracity of the tale


AES, it is great to hear from ya. We all thought you were trvelling overseas. You still in Brazil?.

I whole heartedly agree that GTY is a big DICTATOR.

btw, last night I remembered ya,because there was a party and a distinguished Yiddish professor from New Paltz was present ( known him for over 30 years) and my wife decided to serve falafel! And the 77 year old fart was very pleased.

Good to hear from you again and keep in touch. Of course, the Prof must be in Clube Bahamas following the advice of GTY smilies/grin.gif
TO:GTY
written by João da Silva, June 23, 2007
Skol is $1.50 on the Beach at Leblon now. . .may be forced to go back to Remy.


GTY, the report from our agent in Rio is absolutely shocking. You better take some Coors with ya to Manaus smilies/grin.gif
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written by "Magnus Brasil", June 23, 2007
João, are you a gaúcho or a paranaense? Anyway, I'll put some links so people, and specially GTY can learn a litlle bit of the unknown south for the foreigners. The first one is only about RS, in english, the second is about porto alegre, the capital.the third is some separatism s**t, but at least shows all the three states of the south See ya.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2zqcw6D6aw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_MkpVWMBoM (the music here was composed by the mayor, Fogaça)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vizhltnFWOs
Good enough for an 8130 tag
written by Simpleton, June 23, 2007
New, used, what's the diff? I've had one of Honeywell's major competitor's "new" equipment pass through my lab and ID'd problems (albeit intermittent) that multiple rounds through the manufacturer's factory acceptance tests did not detect.

Anyway, the probablity that the crew inadvertantly turned the damned thing off and didn't notice the WHITE advisory (i.e. it's not an amber CAUTION or a red WARNING which is hopefully more eye catching to the flight crew) that the TCAS was OFF which woulda shoulda coulda appear on their primary flight displays is still probably higher than the unit having experienced some sort of undetected / undetectable single event upset (SEU) that left it inoperative.

AES, thanks for pointing out that the non-functioning status of this non-critical mechanism of last defense for preventing these kinds of tragedies was supposed to have been caught and addressed by ATC - no one in Brazil will believe this after all the crap they've been fed.
Yukonsam http://www.globalaviationlaw.c...-crash.php Read May 2007 PDF File
written by aes, June 23, 2007
According to their report, two days before the accident, Embraer's test pilots noted in an acceptance flight for the Legacy that the images on the flight management system "were flickering and trembling."

In the text, they say that Embraer's own later inspection "revealed that the systems were incorrectly connected, which motivated the suspicion that other systems may present, in the same way, defective connections."

In the first investigations after the accident, the Air Force was already working with the possibility of a "loose contact" between the transponder and the aircraft antenna.

http://www.globalaviationlaw.c...-crash.php
AES, history and ideological rhetoric are not one and the same thing.
written by macunaima, June 23, 2007
This may come as a shock to you, but there it is.

You ask about Granada mockingly, but the Russians were building some of the largest runways in the world their using Cuban labor.


So what? It's not like those runways gave the U.S. any great strategic disadvantage.

As for the Phillipine War (which is historically an entirely different conflict from the Spanish-American War - in the S-A War, the Philipinos were the U.S.' allies. But I guess that knowing about that history is above your pay grade...), the point is that the U.S. has had a long history of trying to nation-build at the point of a bayonet and rarely, if ever, has it ended up achieving its stated goals. What does Ottoman Turkey have to do with that?

But if you want to see the raison d'etre of a thing look at the consequence. Marxism is dead, China is a global capitalistic society, with access to satelite and internet. The old Soviets have broken into a multitude of free states, the Berlin Wall no longer exists, and all of this is related to everything that was done over the past 100 or so years.


Again, if you could concretely show us how the invasions of Panama and Grenada and the Contra War in Nicaragua contributed to any of this, then you might have a point. As is, you're just spouting boilerplate ideology. Your the kind of guy who probably believed whole-heartedly in the old domino theory regarding Vietnam, too. But that war was lost and you Yanks didn't end up "having to fight them in Pasadena", did you? I love how you seem to think Brazil's a joke, and yet you simultaneously want us to believe that an impoverished island with a total population of around 100,000 was somehow a huge, insurrmountable strategic threat to the U.S. and that it's invasion was a historical victory for humanity.

Sure wish I had some of whatever you're smoking, AES. If the "huge threat" Maurice Bishop's Grenada posed to the U.S. is "common knowledge" at your "paygrade", then I'd rate said paygrade at right around E-5. And probably with a posting in the motorpool in some ass-end of nowhere in the U.S. Southwest, to boot.

And as for China and Russia... Capitalist they may indeed be, which is well enough. But neither of them has improved its human rights record and if you think either is anything approaching a responsible democracy, then you are simply out of your mind. Capitalism does not necessarily equal democracy nor responsability and I, personally, am far more interested in human rights, the rule of law and democracy as a measure of global progress than whether or not McDonalds can sell Big Macs. You seem to confuse and conflate the two. Typically (ignorant) American thinking, unfortunately. Or better yet, the typical thinking of those ignorant Americans who think "Top Gun" and "Rambo" are documentaries.

What about Darfur, Cambodia, Yougoslavia, Bosnia, Iran, Iraq (they killed a million of each other).


Lost me there, hoss. What does ANY of that have to do with the U.S.' capability to nation-build at bayonet point? And as for Hiroshima and Nagasaki, what, exactly does that have to do with the subject at hand?

AES continued...
written by macunaima, June 23, 2007
Man is a psychocybernetic organism, we stumble off balance making minute subtle corrections to our errors, I suppose the goal is not to get killed, it seems the world has become less of a threat to itself over the past fifty years. Certainly there must have been some relationship between U.S. political policy and the diminised threat to us all.


Time to put the bong down, AES.

First of all, there's no rational proof at all that the world is "less of a threat to itself". The threat has changed, yes, but the end of a threat of WWIII, at least temporarily, has not made the world a safer place on the whole - just ask the Pentagon. They are QUITE clear on this point. More wars are happening now than in the period between 1950-1990. Larger genocides are taking place. More countries have nukes. More terrorist groups have potential access to WMD. Ecologically, the world is headed down a slide, perhaps quite rapidly. The reality of environmental degradation is no longer contested: how fast it's happening is the only question (ask any biologist). Furthermore, according to the World Bank, the number of poor in the world is increasing, in absolute numbers and in terms of percentages and wealth distribution is getting worse. So your presumption, that the world is so much better off than 50 years ago, is very, very debatable.

But even if it were true, one would need to show a causual link between American policy and the current state of the world, not just assume it. That is what rationality is all about and that's what I am into discussing, not ideology. For what it's worth, I don't see U.S. policy as having made the world much better OR worse, except in strictly local and contextual ways.

Now, I happen to be of the opinion that the current mess we are in is not one that has a solution without U.S. input. But if all the U.S. can say is "might makes right", "free market = rule of law and democracy" (which anyone with half a brain knows is not necessarily true) and "yer either fer us er again' us", then all I can say is that it's a shame to watch the world's only superpower piss away its momentary hegemony by trying to make global diplomacy and politics conform to the plot of a bad Hollywood B movie.
"Magnus Brasil"
written by João da Silva, June 23, 2007
Thanks tche for the 3