Brazzil

give these guys a time machine!!! They actually believe in turning back the clock!!!
Somebody also give them a biology textbook!!! "the Amazon, the planet's lungs" is something I hadn't seen in some time! Shelly, if you are out there, please enlighten this gentleman!!!

The greatest deforestation ever identified by the NGO "SOS Mata Atlântica" trougout its 20 years of existence, is located in the Brazilian southern state of Paraná, around the city of Rio Bonito do Iguaçú. The devastation's core is at "Fazenda Araupel", a huge farm bought by the Federal Government in 2004, as part of the Agrarian Reform plan. According to the Agriculture Federation of Paraná (FAEP), inside two local MST (the landless movement) settlements "Ireno Alves" and "Magno Freire", more than 10 thousand hectares of native bush were completely destroyed between 1996 and 2002.

sorry for these MST idiots, but not anymore. Not after what I've seen over the last month. Not far from where I currently live on the beach is a beachfront piece of land, around 100,000 sq meters, used to be a park, the property is owned by Telemar. The MST idiots have now gone there!! Living beachfront!! They had an article on the front page of the paper a couple weeks ago where their leader said, "just because we're poor doesn't mean we can't live in front of the beach".

The police need to go in there and clean that s**t up ASAP.

welcome to real life...good thing you woke up.I could go on for hour about MST, but it's just a waste of time.Believe me when I say THEY ARE DANGEROUS CRIMINALS.
I say that based on: a)the enourmous amount of intel already amassed on them.If they had their way, they'd be in command of the country and all oppisition would be shot.Literally.
b)the firsthand experience I've had with them.The only reason I'm still alive to tell you about it is that despite their viciousness and will to kill, they are technically inept.And cowardly.After their fist couple of casualties, it became a rout.
Cowardly criminals are always the most dangerous ones.
If you live close to where they are, take precautions.

welcome to real life...good thing you woke up.I could go on for hour about MST, but it's just a waste of time.Believe me when I say THEY ARE DANGEROUS CRIMINALS.

Brazilan Dude and Bo, yes we can be harsh with the good ole folks at MST, however scratch ANY large group (farmers, politicians, police, political NGOs, businessmen) and you´ll find corruption, deciet and greed just a hair from the surface. Remember, this is Brazil. If you THINK you can get away with something, then go right ahead. Deal with the consequences later, if any, and always plead "Não fui eu" if caught or questioned. We can lament the corruption of what at one point was a fairly valiant group with noble aims, but we may as well lament the society that allowed/s such tomfoolery to exist. In terms of being dangerous, well, I don´t know of any environments or any groups in this nation that are "safe". MST may be more openly millitant, however push anyone (even the most peaceful of souls) just a little and the reaction will be over-the-top aggression. THis is the way it always has been, and will continue so for some time. You steal what you can when you can, and you resolve issues by hiring gunmen (in the north) or using physical threats (anywhere) because using the justice system doesn´t accomplish anything really (as we witness nightly). Disputes between neighbours rarely involve nor are resolved by the police, but always with "people you know". Simply barbaric. The truly sad part of this is that there ARE stellar individuals in this nation, that do outstanding work to aid the disenfranchised, or run for polticis, however they are in the minority. If we could tip the scales, Brazil would be a brilliant nation, however with 179,000,000 corrupt violent thugs and their supporters compared with 1,000,000 truly altruistic, intelligent and civil brazilians - the odds are against us.

FUI!

MST is trying to achieve what??? Educate who??? Please, read this article from The Independent and see what this people are doing to the timber in Brazil, along with Bin Lula's land reform. He is manipulating again the numbers to in order to keep PT in power.
"Amazon forest sold off in housing scam, claims Greenpeace
By Sophie Morris
Published: 21 August 2007

The Brazilian government stands accused of selling off huge swaths of the Amazon rainforest - including its oldest protected national park - to unscrupulous logging companies, under the cover of a flawed sustainable development project.

The Brazilian President, Luiz Ignácio Lula da Silva, won power in 2003 with a promise to settle 400,000 homeless families during his four-year term, an unrealistic target he is accused of reaching in last-minute deals prior to last year's election.

An eight-month investigation by Greenpeace into the land scam, revealed that the Brazilian land reform agency, INCRA, had set up large settlements in rainforest areas instead of placing them in already deforested areas, and settling urban families who promptly sold logging rights to major timber conpanies.

"Instead of helping, the official efforts are putting in place mechanisms to ensure the supply of timber to loggers. This opens the door to further forest destruction and climate change," says Greenpeace's André Muggiati.

In 2006, INCRA created 97 "sustainable development settlements" (PDS) in Santarém in the west of the Amazonian state of Pará, in areas of primary forest of huge value to loggers. These settlements cover 2.2 million hectares and have been assigned to 33,700 families.

"All these settlements were created in the last three months of last year," says an INCRA employee. "It was the end of Lula's first term so he had to accomplish the targets. It is politicians who will benefit from the PDS system." In October Mr Da Silva won a second term in office.

As well as politicians, the scheme benefits the settlers, who receive land and sell their logging rights to large timber firms; the loggers, who gain access to valuable timber; and INCRA, which is close to reaching the government targets.

Only last week the Brazilian government boasted a drop in deforestation levels for the third year running; it has now opened the floodgates to increased deforestation and its knock-on effect on global climate change.

Brazil is the world's fourth largest emitter of greenhouse gases. A large proportion of emissions come from deforestation in the Amazon and 15 per cent of all deforestation is caused by the creation of land settlements.

INCRA is creating settlements so quickly it cannot afford to provide the necessary infrastructure for residents. It is cutting corners by encouraging residents' associations to make deals with logging companies, who provide roads and sanitation.

The PDS concept was conceived in 1999 by Raimundo Lima, a director of INCRA, as a way of sustaining traditional families and enabling them to live off the land. Each family was to receive housing and a number of financial credits to get them started along with the permission to farm 20 per cent of their land and log the remaining 80 per cent in accordance with a strict forest management plan. These plans are now dictated by the loggers, which means they can flaunt sustainable logging guidelines and pay way under market value for the timber.

Felipe Fritz Braga, Santarém's federal prosecutor, says the original outline of the PDS as a settlement for traditional families has fallen way off track and that loggers funded last year's governmental elections to safeguard the programme. "Ten years ago, a series of PDSs were created that were thought to be for traditional communities. Over the years they have undergone a legal metamorphosis and they are now being used in the Amazon to settle people who are not traditional communities," he explains. "The government's source of money for the elections came from the loggers."

At INCRA's Santarém office, which quadrupled in size in 2005 ahead of the current settlement drive, staff are unhappy about the underhand methods they have been encouraged to follow to get the green light for so many settlements in such a short space of time. Two informants say they have been forced to falsify the dates on important documents, that they have seen maps on internal computers created by an INCRA official for a landgrabber and that the research behind the creation of one PDS was done in the aircraft of a wealthy logger.

They also claim 11 settlements have been created in the national park of Amazonia where not a single family is living, at the behest of a powerful farmer, and are worried the situation around Santarém is an indication of further devastation across the Amazon: "We believe that what is going on here is a lab test, and the model will be replicated all over the Amazon later on."

The outspoken environmental campaigner Sister Dorothy Stang was murdered defending two such settlements in 2005. Because of Sister Dorothy's support, the PDS scheme has wrongly become synonymous with good environmental practice.

The Amazon has long been under threat from large industry: logging companies clear-cut the dense jungle before farmers move on to the land to raise cattle; huge soy plantations then exhaust the soil."


Brazilian Dude, they know exactly what they are doing, the Amazon will never be able to recover to its original glory. The Amazon is the world's oldest ecosystem, it took millions of years to become what it is today. And Bin Lula is destroying at this very moment. The university of Sao Paulo has a spectrometer, actually it is the world's biggest machine and they are in the process of coming up with the life cycle of the CO2 in the forest. Apparently, the Amazon stores CO2 for about 5 years before it releases again into the atmosphere. If deforestation keeps going on at the present rate, C02 will be available in the Troposphere more rapidly and in less time...do I need to say more? The future of mankind is bleak in my opnion.

Here is the article.

http://www.llnl.gov/str/March06/pdfs/03_06.4.pdf

It is the world's biggest one, but not the biggest machine, if you know what I mean. I don't want to get slammed for vocabulary usage here. And Bin Lula is destroying IT at this very moment.

After their fist couple of casualties, it became a rout.

a)After their first couple of Dozens or Hundreds of casualities? b) Any POWs?

Brazilan Dude and Bo, yes we can be harsh with the good ole folks at MST, however scratch ANY large group (farmers, politicians, police, political NGOs, businessmen) and you´ll find corruption, deciet and greed just a hair from the surface.

You pretty well summed up the reasons for the state of anarchy we are living under.I just wanted to say that it is not resticted only to the state of RGS,but to Brasil,in general.However, in our state, still the PM can be trusted,though I dont know for how long.

in the specific incident I allude to,the first couple.The fact that they went down screaming like a coupl'a frantic banshees (they were only wounded) was probably not good for the morale of the others...nobody wants to be next.
No, no POW's. It wasn't that kind of incident.

I got the MST riled up about 5 years ago and they put dents all over my near-new F-4000, which is a personal vehicle.

That´s why I don´t want to paint it, I like it that way.

They play rough but are smart enough to turn tail and run when the odds are against them.

They play rough but are smart enough to turn tail and run when the odds are against them.

Dude is irritatingly right most of the time

The problem with MST propaganda is this;

Land is capital, not income.

Check out this quote

As a result of all this, Stédile says in an article in Folha de S. Paulo that the movement focus is on "a democratic agricultural model that guarantees access to work, land, water, and seeds for all."

Who is going to provide the tractors? harvesters? fertilizer? Electric generators? farm animals? and technical education for the MST families? unless, of course they are talking about substance farming with animal traction.

The reality is that farming is a risky, capital intensive business - all the ideology in the world can't change that

was wondering why in my trip to the city yesterday there were police cruisers stationed in two different areas along the beach...

I used to feel...
written by bo, 2007-08-25 07:29:51
sorry for these MST idiots, but not anymore. Not after what I've seen over the last month. Not far from where I currently live on the beach is a beachfront piece of land, around 100,000 sq meters, used to be a park, the property is owned by Telemar. The MST idiots have now gone there!! Living beachfront!! They had an article on the front page of the paper a couple weeks ago where their leader said, "just because we're poor doesn't mean we can't live in front of the beach".

The police need to go in there and clean that s**t up ASAP.

Clube da ex-Telergipe é desocupado pacificamente

29/08/2007, 15:36

Desocupação ocorreu sem violência
As famílias que estavam ocupando o antigo clube da Telergipe deixaram o local na manhã desta quarta-feira, 29. O negociador, coronel Luis Fernando, classificou a ação da Polícia Militar como uma ‘desocupação cidadã’. Eles passam agora a ocupar uma área pertencente à Marinha, em frente ao clube.

O coronel esteve no local com outros policiais, o capelão Capitão Juarez, e o pastor Capitão Amim. O objetivo era cumprir a liminar de reintegração de posse, respeitando a integridade física das pessoas que estavam no local. Antes mesmo de a PM chegar, os barracos de madeira e lona já tinham sido desarmados.

Cel. Luis Fernando
Pastor e padre falaram às famílias reunidas, na tentativa de confortá-los e acalmá-los. “Nós procuramos uma solução pacífica para cumprir a medida judicial. Temos o entendimento de que também nós somos povo, a Polícia Militar é formada por cidadãos”, ressaltou o coronel Luis Fernando. Após as orações, foram distribuídas balas e pipocas para as crianças.

Reintegração

Desde o dia 12, as famílias estão acampadas no antigo clube da Telergipe. A Telemar, atual proprietária do espaço, pediu reintegração de posse, concedida no dia 14, pela juíza substituta da 8ª Vara Cível, Jocelaine Costa Ramirez. O advogado Rodrigo Machado, membro da Comissão de Direitos Humanos da OAB/SE, explica que a liminar foi encaminhada à Secretaria de Segurança Pública (SSP) para que a PM cumprisse a ordem de reintegração.

“O Grupo de Gestão de Crise da SSP negociou com os ocupantes e deu prazo até o dia 27 para a
Cap. Amim, Cel. Luis Fernando, Cap. Juarez e José Marcos (esq. para dir.)
saída voluntária”, esclarece. A juíza oficiou novamente a SSP para que fizesse a desocupação, alertando que poderia incorrer em descumprimento de ordem judicial. Na terça-feira, 28, a PM esteve no local para avisar que voltaria nesta quarta-feira, às 9h.

Os policiais chegaram ao clube por volta das 10h, com a presença da Tropa de Choque, caminhões para ajudar na retirada do material, caso as famílias solicitassem, e ônibus para levá-los a outro lugar.

Rodrigo Machado
Os acampados alegam não ter lugar para onde ir. Segundo José Marcos, um dos coordenadores dos ocupantes, um cadastro interno foi feito com as 438 famílias, e constatou-se que a maioria morava de favor em casa de parentes ou em quartos de vila e barracos alugados. “Essas famílias fazem opção entre morar ou comer”, alega.

“A moradia é essencial, não chega ser nem um direito humano, é um direito animal”, acredita Rodrigo Machado. Ele diz que a OAB entende a reforma urbana como um direito prioritário. Eles pretendem ficar no novo acampamento até que tenham um outro lugar para ir.

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