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Blanchette, thanks for sharing.!Much food for thought

Blanchette, thanks for sharing.!Much food for thought

I agree with you, Dnb. Excellent article and should be read by all the foreign ex-pats in Brazil. Especially of interest are the following paragraphs:

Now I'm hoping against hope that some Brazilian-resident gringo out there reading this will have a little light bulb go on in their skull. That they'll realize that in spite of their first world passport and college education, they too are an immigrant for however long they decide to remain in Brazil.

And I'm praying that this person will see what is very clear to me: that if we are ever to have a chance of changing Brazil's incredibly unjust and chaotic immigration laws, then relatively privileged immigrants like ourselves are going to have to make common cause with the Nigerians, Chinese, Angolans and Bolivians who make up the majority of this country's immigrant population. We're going to have to work together with the people who the Casa do Migrante serves and see them as our brothers and sisters.

I also think that Blanchette makes sense when he refers to the Brazil's incredibly unjust and chaotic immigration laws. He is right and these laws are very similar to our unjust labor laws which discourage foreign (as well as domestic)entrepreneurs from investing in the country.

Your "which discourage foreign ( )entrepreneurs from investing in the country.

TOTALLY UNTRUE ! Joao You Dont Know what you are talking about.

YOU DO NOT PROVIDE ANY JOBS, NOT EVEN TO LEGAL FOREIGN RESIDENTS IN BRAZIL !!!!!!!!!

Simple as that.

A foreign entrepreneur is welcomed in Brazil as a legal resident if he brings XXX US dollars and create XXX jobs within XXX years....ONLY FOR BRAZILIANS.

Check by yourself the immigration laws.

In my view here too developed nations should impose the reciprocity practice....AGAINST BRAZIL & BRAZILIANS !!!!!!!
And this reciprocity practice is by the way applied quite regularly for visas/no visa and costs of visas !

Your "which discourage foreign ( )entrepreneurs from investing in the country.

TOTALLY UNTRUE ! Joao You Dont Know what you are talking about.

I know what I am talking about and for once why don't you listen to me? If a country like ours wants to attract foreign investors (small,medium or big), it has to liberalize the immigration laws, reform the labor and tax laws as well as cut the waiting time to open and close a company.

Remember that the author of this article is an immigrant himself and he knows what he is talking about. On the whole, Dnb and I think Blanchette has written a great article and we stand by our original kudos to him.]

Any questions??

Me too...I know ! Even better than you.

BRAZIL should be more open to legalize and hire FOREIGN SKILLED PEOPLE.
Such as Engineers,scientists, physicians, people in finances, doctors, University teachers, IT teachers, programers, Specialized teachers, managers, CEOs, CFOs etc etc.

THIS IS CALLED TRANSFER OF KNOWLEDGE AND GOOD PRACTICES.

On the other hand you have tens of millions of unskilled people IN THE HOPE FOR A JOB ! Why be more open to immigration for unskilled people....since you already have them ????? I am not saying you have none but why too many ?

FURTHERMORE AND ONCE MORE....please check by yourself YOUR own immigration laws. They are quite open...NOT BAD but....WEAK.
Why weak ? Wellll have a look at your immigtation laws FIRST.

My answer is....because your asking minimum of $$$ is very low when compared to the minimum number of jobs to create.

Reading other articles just earlier....Nestlé has 28 plants in Brazil and 17000 workers.

But I agree that you have a BIGGGG problem with your taxessssssssssssssssssssss laws, labor lawssssssssss, and open and close a company.
And you also have a problem at your bankruptcy laws. Just check by yourself in the Doing Business Report what is the average debt re-collection and compare it with your South America neighbours, Asia countries, developed nations of your choice or even with African countries.
Again your rank is close to the bottom !

Funny that you who apparently knows...have not mentioned...YOUR BUREAUCRACY PROBLEMS.

Just have a look at your World Ranking for Doing Business.
Brazil is ranked at about the 122th rank. Also look what countries are
your neighbours in the rankings. Certainly nothing to be proud of because your neighbours are Third & Fourth World Countries.
If you look closer in these stats you will find out that a brazilian company needs 2400 hours annually to find out and handle the taxes...when similar size companies even in other emerging countries needs A SMALL FRACTION of that.
Your rank is Second worst after Cameroon. And the Third and Fourth Worst beats you alreay....HANDILY & EASILY !!!

Last but not least.....
Joao You are mixing up and puting in the same pot.....your labor & tax & opening/closing & bureaucraty & bankruptcy laws...WITH GENERAL IMMIGRATION LAWS !!!!!
But...but...but....THEY ARE IN NOOOO WAY...RELATED !

Hmmmmmm...just think about it....once more.

I already more than once criticized Brazil on your Way of Life in Administrative policies and foreign immigrations FOR SKILLED WORKERS as defined in my previous thread.

Once YOU JOAO answered...BECAUSE WE DONT LIKE TO BE TOLD WHAT TO DO !!!!! Hmmmmmmmmm

Just think about this... :

- creating an army of bureaucrats....creates JOBS...but UNPRODUCTIVE JOBS....generously paid by the various insane outrageous many taxessss !
- It would be far better that PRODUCTIVE jobs are created in the economy. They could easily replace the EXCESS IN THE UNPRODUCTIVE JOBS IN THE ADMINISTRATIONS. At least there would be AN OUTPUT....instead of NO OUTPUT of these bureaucrats. Because these undroductive jobs just slow down the productions & turnovers of goods...that makes the productive jobs....NOT EFFICIENT THUS NOT COMPETITIVE.

Another weakness in the Brazilian population mind mostly but not exclusively in the various administrations is...ABSENTEEISM !
And Brazilians are certainly NOT hard workers when they obtain a legal and registered job. They always and regularly find GOOD BAD EXCUSE TO NOT GO FOR WORK !!!!!!!!!!
The beach, bars or staying home is what brazilians workers prefer when collecting a monthly check...DUE for their "job" !
This is another reason for your unproductiveness and uncompetitiveness of your economy. BECAUSE THE COST IS HERE ANYWAY !
Joao you who knows this as you stated, but failed to mention it !
But as I stated this has nothing to do with your immigrations laws !

And immigrations laws was the subject of our discussions !

Joao "I know what I am talking about and for once why don't you listen to me?"
written by ch.c., June 06, 2009
Me too...I know ! Even better than you.

BRAZIL should be more open to legalize and hire FOREIGN SKILLED PEOPLE.
Such as Engineers,scientists, physicians, people in finances, doctors, University teachers, IT teachers, programers, Specialized teachers, managers, CEOs, CFOs etc etc.

I hate to admit, but the two previous comments you wrote are the best ones I have read recently. I fully agree with and endorse your views that are constructive and productive. Brasil is also a country of immigrants like the U.S. and there is no reason for restricting the inflow of Brain Power.

Last but not least.....
Joao You are mixing up and puting in the same pot.....your labor & tax & opening/closing & bureaucraty & bankruptcy laws...WITH GENERAL IMMIGRATION LAWS !!!!!
But...but...but....THEY ARE IN NOOOO WAY...RELATED !

No, I am not mixing up anything. But..but... thinking on a macro level. You just think for a moment and I am sure you will agree with me.As a matter of fact, we are talking the same language.

Hope your ego didn't get inflated.

Cheers.