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Brazil Can Win World Cups But It's Far From Winning Nobel Prizes PDF Print E-mail
2006 - June 2006
Written by Cristovam Buarque   
Wednesday, 14 June 2006 09:03

Brazilian soccer fan in GermanyOut of every ten of the world's best soccer players, at least five are Brazilians. Of all the world's Nobel Prize winners, none is Brazilian. Of the great Brazilian players, almost all have their origins among the poor, while almost all the upper-level professionals come from the wealthy and middle-class sectors of society.

In these times of the World Cup, the TV and radio are broadcasting short biographies of our great players every day. They all share one fact in common: They began playing soccer at four years of age in some sandlot game close to their home, sometimes in the yard of a friend. All persisted in developing their talents. Thanks to opportunity, talent and persistence, they transformed themselves into great stars.

In the Brazil of today, twenty million boys play soccer. If merely one of each ten thousand has talent and persistence, in the next World Cups we will have two thousand top-notch players; if it is one in each million, we will still have two complete teams, made up of great stars.

The same thing will not happen in science, technology, and literature in Brazil. We will not have twenty Nobel Prizes, not even if we add twenty million girls to those twenty million boys. Because few will enter school at the age of four. They will not have access to the best schools; they will not be able to persist in the development of their talent; they will not have books or computers like they have soccer balls.

Brazil has great stars thanks to its taste for soccer, the size of our population and the fact that everyone has access to a ball and to a sandlot game. Up to now, our country has never had a Nobel Prize for Literature or Physics because few Brazilians have access to quality schooling beginning in early childhood, with teachers who are well paid, well prepared and dedicated and have books and computers available in the necessary quantity and quality.

The sandlot games and the soccer balls appear spontaneously, or through the efforts of the community and the boys themselves. The school and the computers will be available only if the entire country makes a deliberate effort.

No one has become a soccer star through luck alone; this comes about through talent and persistence. But, in Brazil, intellectual development depends, above all, on the child's luck of being born into a wealthy family, in a prosperous city, with a mayor who makes education a priority.

The talent and persistence come later because, before that, what a child needs is opportunity: a quality school. Intellectual development depends upon conditions created by the national state: schools, books, computers, teachers.

If we had done this fifty years ago, Brazil would be the champion of learning and not bringing up the rear, the position that we currently hold. If we do it at this time, twenty years from now we will have made up for lost ground, and then we will have the chance to win not only the World Cup, but also the Cup of Learning, of knowledge, of science, of technology, of literature. Besides the World Cup trophy, we will have won the Nobel Prize medals.

In addition, we will have the capital and the foundation to build the Brazil of the 21st century. Soccer dazzles, but only learning builds.

There is, however, a serious impediment to all this: Brazilians have passion for soccer. The victories make everyone emotional; the defeats leave everyone dejected.

But the same passion does not exist for education. Weeks ago, the media informed us that we are losing to Haiti in terms of students held back to repeat a school year. Nothing happened; no one felt uncomfortable. Had we lost to Haiti in soccer, our players would have been very poorly received when they returned to Brazil.

To win the intellectual medals, it is necessary to have the same passion for school that Brazil has for soccer.

Cristovam Buarque has a Ph.D. in economics. He is the candidate of the PDT to the presidency of Brazil in the October 2006 elections. Buarque is also a senator for the Federal District and was Governor of the Federal District (1995-98) and Minister of Education (2003-04). You can visit his homepage - www.cristovam.com.br - and write to him at cristovam@senador.gov.br.

Translated from the Portuguese by Linda Jerome - LinJerome@cs.com.



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written by Guest, June 14, 2006
It was a very good text.
And that is why....
written by Guest, June 14, 2006

Today in 2006, Brazil still has slavery or disguised slavery : by not providing a good education to the vast majority of the population.
For the jobs that are reserved for them there is no need to be literate is the Brazilian philosophy.
There is not enough money for education because the priority is not education but providing good jobs with excellent wages and pensions in the government to their civil servants.
And here and there a food basket for the vast majority of poors !
Brazil is not a poor country when calculated with the GDP per capita, but for similar GDP per capita Brazil has the world record of poverty rate !

Also, Brazil prefers to export annually US$ 40 billions of agriculture rather than feeeding the Brazilian population FIRST !

Brazil remains a medieval and archaïc country !
There is no rule of law, no social inclusion, no wealth distribution.

Everything go to the minority elite and the remaining is given to the vast majority of the population who must share the few crumbs !!!!
THIS STINKS OF ELECTION CAMPAIGN.
written by Guest, June 15, 2006
Oh please. This guy is up for President this year - is it a coincidence that he's started writing touchy-feely articles about what the government should and shouldn't do? Lula made promises and didn't keep - why is this guy any different? Please, Mr. Buarque, possible future president of the stinking HOLE that even I, a Paulista by both birthplace and heart, enlighten me on why you're political propaganda isn't just another scam.
This smells like a good position
written by Guest, June 15, 2006
I entirely agree with the position of Mr. Buarque. I will be repeating myself by saying that soccer in Brazil, and sport fanaticism all over the world, are a matter of state and business interest. That old roman saying of give the mass entertainment and food (bolsa família) is a truth! What else can explain the government releasing public employees to watch the games? I think it is great that people enjoy sport and be talented by playing it. Sports are great socializing activity, healthy and entertaining, kids learn persistence and life trough it. But this becomes fanaticism when people cannot grasp beyond that. I think Mr. Buarque has a good view related to this subject of how soccer plays a major role in the Brazilian state of things but education not.

To the sympathetic poster above I think voters must screen for the best, most prepared candidates and keep an eye on them! Politicians will do whatever the voters in majority need if they are to keep their place in the parliament.
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written by Guest, June 15, 2006
Politicians will agree when the voters in majority make fair demands if politicians are to keep their place in the govern!
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written by Guest, June 15, 2006
This shows the absolute stupidity of the "so called" educated Whites who are in power in Brazil.

A weak person always tries to slow down the strong so that they can compete.

The only way that White Brazilians can compete against Black Brazilians is by creating economic dilemmas for Blacks.

Short of this Black Brazilians would surely excel and leave White Brazilians behind.

THIS IS THEIR GREATEST FEAR!
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written by Guest, June 15, 2006
This is also the 21 st centuries form of SLAVERY, AND GENOCIDE!

Whites have been at this for well over 2,000 years beginning with Macedonian King Alexander The Great, The Roman Empire, Great Britain, and now the United States.

All Empire and rule comes to an end!

WHO WILL PUT THE BREAKS ON THE WHITE MAN?

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written by Guest, June 15, 2006
During the 20 th Century--the White Man was responsible for Wars that killed over 100 Million people! Whew!

That translates to over a Billion people who are not here today because the White Man is in charge of world affairs.

Those 100 Million people would have had children and grand children.

He is still at his killing game!

So I guess the question we should be asking ourselves is, WHY DO WE (BLACKS) KEEP THE COMPANY OF KILLERS?
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written by Guest, June 15, 2006
Most Brazilian Whites have the IQ of Alfred J Nuemann--you know who i'm talking about, the freckle faced moron on the cover of MADD Magazine.
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written by Guest, June 15, 2006
Don't start putting white and black names because this is a mistake form the begining.
I\'d give up soccer!
written by Guest, June 15, 2006
I'd give away everything to do with soccer for a set of Brazilian leaders that had priorities good and a sense of the future.
Re: Future Nobel Prize Winner
written by Guest, June 15, 2006
Operation Return to Sender nabbed some serial border crosser named Jose Da Silva. Jose should tell his story and submit it to the Nobel Commitee--perhaps he can become the first Nobel Prize winner from Brazil. His Prize, Serial Border Crossing into Estados Unidos!

Check this out:

BOSTON


A swarm of federal immigration agents sped silently, headlights off, down a Boston side street early Wednesday and surrounded an apartment house.

"Police! Policia! Police!" yelled Daniel Monico, a deportation officer, holding his badge to a window where someone had pulled back the curtain. "Open the door!"

Moments later, agents led a dazed-looking Jose Ferreira Da Silva, 35, out in handcuffs. The Brazilian had been arrested in 2002 and deported, but had slipped back into the country. He now faces up to 20 years in prison.

In a blitz that began May 26, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement has arrested nearly 2,100 illegal immigrants across the country. Officials said the raids are aimed at child m******rs, gang members and other violent criminals, as well as people like Da Silva who sneaked back into the country after a judge threw them out.

The crackdown is called Operation Return to Sender.

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written by Guest, June 15, 2006
If you slip back into the country, don't go back to the same city you got deported from! Go somewhere else!
Re: Jose
written by Guest, June 15, 2006
I went to bed last evening, I jumped in the sack, but brite and early next morning ICE sent my wet-ass right back!
Return to sender w*****k unknown, no such person, no such zone!

We had a quarrel, a lovers spat, I write i'm sorry but ICE keeps sendin my ass back!


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written by Guest, June 15, 2006
Lol! politicians with priorities and sense of future are a good switch for this national sport fanaticism. It is a pity nor many actually think that way! Go ahead Brazil I am so much hoping you win the world cup! Roll eyes lol
Re: I\'d give up soccer!
written by Guest, June 15, 2006
Lol! politicians with priorities and sense of future are a good switch for this national sport fanaticism. It is a pity nor many actually think that way! Go ahead Brazil I am so much hoping you win the world cup! Roll eyes
NO
written by Guest, June 15, 2006
Brazil should stay the soccer fanatics they are.
To the one who shouts about whites black people are too bitter and don't even like each other so blacks need to stop playing the blame game. At least if black men didn't run off with white women especially rich black Brazilian guys who only want blondes, then I could see blacks banding up against the white man. But until then, the bitterness just looks like deep-seated jealousy about not being white and blonde.

Brazilians don't see it as a black versus white situation and that is a pity because maybe the blacks would band together and overthrow the white elite. But because of their history these blacks want to BE the white elite which is why they mix. So instead of fantasizing about bringing down whitey, why not come up with some realistic solutions for Brazil?
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written by Guest, June 15, 2006
There are corrupt leaders everywhere but there are great soccer players everywhere. Keep playing well Brazil. I am American but I want to become Brazilian. I'm changing my last name to Mandeira and I'm learning Portuguese. Brazil is much more interesting than this bland, generic, cultureless place America, I don't care how much more organized it is here than in Brazil
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written by Guest, June 15, 2006
it should say but there are NOT great soccery players everywhere.
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written by Guest, June 15, 2006
"WHO WILL PUT THE BREAKS ON THE WHITE MAN?

During the 20 th Century--the White Man was responsible for Wars that killed over 100 Million people! Whew!

That translates to over a Billion people who are not here today because the White Man is in charge of world affairs.

Those 100 Million people would have had children and grand children.

He is still at his killing game!

So I guess the question we should be asking ourselves is, WHY DO WE (BLACKS) KEEP THE COMPANY OF KILLERS?"

-Does anyone remember that skit on Saturday Night Live with Chris Rock playing Nat X - that perpetually angry black man? I don't suppose it would make any difference to you if someone said that black men would have killed whites on the same scale if they had only been born indigenous to geographic areas more conducive to proteinaceous grains, animal husbandry and therefore division of labor and technological development on the scale that "white" societies managed. Funny history teaches us that Arabic, African and Asian peoples slaughtered one another on massive scales too. Oh well you can't be bothered with trivialities like historical fact.

Blacks like you claim to be equal with whites, as indeed you are, yet you claim, quite stupidly, that you are different in that you and other black men would not have killed as whites have were circumstances different with Africa possessing 50 Caliber guns, grenades and tanks. Funny many Africans have those things now and look what they have done to one another in Liberia, Sudan, Ethiopia, Rwanda, etc. Do you recall how many blacks slaughtered one another in Rwanda? Even Hitler wasn't that efficient! This begs the question - are you equal to whites or do you think you are better? - reaks of racism to me . . .
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written by Guest, June 15, 2006
"There are corrupt leaders everywhere but there are great soccer players everywhere. Keep playing well Brazil. I am American but I want to become Brazilian. I'm changing my last name to Mandeira and I'm learning Portuguese. Brazil is much more interesting than this bland, generic, cultureless place America, I don't care how much more organized it is here than in Brazil"

No, no soccer players, not soccery! jogadores de futuebol. Well, if you think you would be happier in Brazil then I wish you happiness! Why do you consider America bland and generic and cutureless?
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written by Guest, June 15, 2006
for murder, theft and depravity no one has ever topped the black man on a per capita basis.

way to go, all you angry bush chimps! on this, you rule!

no wonder blacks in Canada have a higher sense of self esteem even tho they are pathetic underachievers who would be like the kongolese or rwandans if they didn't have whites and chinese to bail them out.
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written by Guest, June 15, 2006
Go ahead Brazil in world cup I mean yes, nice, whatever! Watch your games then believe democratic system really works to throw the bad politicians away!
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written by Guest, June 15, 2006
"Brazil is much more interesting than this bland, generic, cultureless place America, I don't care how much more organized it is here than in Brazil"

America was founded by british immigrants, then received and receives immigrants and students from all over the world. It is a vast pot of cultures! America was always an emissary of culture, I think it still is. But yeah, Brazil does have a lot of culture and it is really interesting. Every where has its culture, man’s existence is old.
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written by Guest, June 15, 2006
Pimps, cokeheads, and whores that’s all there is to see. In America and Brazil... in other parts of the world too. Who’s black, who’s white? Doesn’t matter. Can’t tell the difference. All sports suck… distracts from good sex. Stop fighting, go have sex.
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written by Guest, June 15, 2006
yes, I know what you mean, it is not easy not having someone to share one's sexual life!
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written by Guest, June 15, 2006
Well, yes. If my girlfriends’ husband didn’t watch football or other sports I’d have no sex life. Sometimes he even invites me to watch a game with him. Does he not know? I’m a busy man, I have other things to do. I should meet a single woman. Single women usually like to argue too much though, not talk, but actually argue. Stop fighting, go have sex, then talk about the human condition.
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written by Guest, June 15, 2006
Dot you feel some kind of emptiness vacuum?
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written by Guest, June 15, 2006
nothing to feel ashamed of. Just a question if you feel eagerness to have a more available person, a more complete life in all levels.how about love?
Nourishment
written by Guest, June 15, 2006
“…emptiness vacuum?”

I don’t quite understand your question. Perhaps, yes? I am a man so complicated inside… no one will listen. I am going insane from the crowded emptiness of this society.
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written by Guest, June 15, 2006
one can't feel happy in life and you could characterize it as some emptiness.Having born one already possess all the complexity of life.
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written by Guest, June 15, 2006
look, I think you lack human nourishment from someone who will understand you and lack providing also nourisment to someone who someone you understand. If you can find both better, if this human exchange is with the same person than it is nice too. Society has both emptiness and human nourishment it is a matter of looking for it.
e por isto que...
written by Guest, June 15, 2006
eu to torcendo pro brasil perder e se possivel nem passar para a proxima face.....
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written by Guest, June 15, 2006
a matter of looking for what you want.Go ahead life is full you will find anything you need.
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written by Guest, June 15, 2006
por que vc está torcendo para o brasil perder? Eu também não queria que o Brazil nem passasse para a segunda fase. lol. a cara do pessoal seria engraçada. brincadeirinha!!!
sfpoortinga
written by Guest, June 15, 2006
Football is just hiding th sickness of Brazil.
So beautiful but so corrupt it makes me want to cry....
Nothing Is Needed… Everything Is…
written by Guest, June 15, 2006
“…life in all levels. How about love?”

I have loved. It consumes my waking hours… my dreams too… if I slept. Whereas I’ve never been loved… that could suggest contemplation… of taking one’s own…

“… understand… understand…”

What do you care? I will be fool to love no more. To enter the earth as born… to love forever… and be loved never.
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written by Guest, June 15, 2006
Government and soccer!
written by Guest, June 15, 2006
Imagine if the American government shutdown during baseball World Series or the Indianapolis 500! That would be something stupid, maybe? It would hurt a progressive economy?
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written by Guest, June 15, 2006
well you know, my english is not so good to convince someone of sth. much less a guy deluded of love! get a grip!!
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written by Guest, June 15, 2006
i'm alone since the guy I loved does not intend to love me back, that doesn't mean I will close for love you know.
Like the romans
written by Guest, June 15, 2006
The Romans had the Colisseum. Brazil has soccer and Carnival to keep the f**kheads minds elsewhere far from serious things.
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written by Guest, June 15, 2006
I don't know I think things have both sides. For one side carnival and soccer contains some side of the natural and original of Brazil but when it goes to fanaticism than it misses all grace.
USA SUPERPOWER #1
written by Guest, June 15, 2006
americans are celebrating smilies/shocked.gifperation return to sender: 2100 illegal aliens arrested! THE WILL OF THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF AMERICAN CITIZENS WILL PREVAIL ON THIS ILLEGAL ALIEN PROBLEM.MULTI BORDER CROSSERS TO BE IMPRISONED AND THEN DEPORTED!! ILLEGALS SHOW THEY HAVE A PROPENSITY TO HAVE COMMITED A MYRIAD OF ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES ONCE HERE. THE TIDE IS RISING!! !......... IF YOU ARE ILLEGAL IN THE U.S.A. YOU ARE SUBJECT TO: A FINE ,IMPRISONMENT, AND DEPORTATION. IF YOU ASSIST,HARBOR, CONCEAL, EMPLOY, ILLEGALS YOU ARE SUBJECT TO: A FINE AND IMPRISONMENT. NO AMNESTY.. NO GUESTWORKER...STAY THE COURSE!!!! USA USA USA
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written by Guest, June 15, 2006
lol.
hey you guys have been really sympathetic.
USA SUPERPOWER #1
written by Guest, June 15, 2006
americans are celebrating smilies/shocked.gifperation return to sender: 2100 illegal aliens arrested! THE WILL OF THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF AMERICAN CITIZENS WILL PREVAIL ON THIS ILLEGAL ALIEN PROBLEM.MULTI BORDER CROSSERS TO BE IMPRISONED AND THEN DEPORTED!! ILLEGALS SHOW THEY HAVE A PROPENSITY TO HAVE COMMITED A MYRIAD OF ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES ONCE HERE. THE TIDE IS RISING!! !......... IF YOU ARE ILLEGAL IN THE U.S.A. YOU ARE SUBJECT TO: A FINE ,IMPRISONMENT, AND DEPORTATION. IF YOU ASSIST,HARBOR, CONCEAL, EMPLOY, ILLEGALS YOU ARE SUBJECT TO: A FINE AND IMPRISONMENT. NO AMNESTY.. NO GUESTWORKER...STAY THE COURSE!!!! USA USA USA
here we go again
written by Guest, June 15, 2006
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written by Guest, June 15, 2006
well boys if you excuse me give me night, I mean I'm going to listen some music.
over and over again
written by Guest, June 15, 2006
Jesus Christ! Mr. Superpower Man we get the point. You’re #1 and so is USA. In American slang that would mean you’re nothing better than piss. Posting the same thing over and over is very cleaver. Or did your mommy help you?
over and over again
written by Guest, June 15, 2006
Jesus Christ! Mr. Superpower Man we get the point. You’re #1 and so is USA. In American slang that would mean you’re nothing better than piss. Posting the same thing over and over is very cleaver. Or did your mommy help you?
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written by Guest, June 15, 2006
So she also taught you how to copy and paste. You must be such a good boy.
Nothing to grip… but the end… is near…
written by Guest, June 15, 2006
Suicide in poetry? Is there poetry in suicide? Perhaps suicide is the ultimate manifestation of love?

I feel life slipping away… the blood from my wrist the most vibrant of color… if I could find such a scarlet… would I be a better painter?

It is not the color, but the life you breathe…
Rem: reply
written by Guest, June 15, 2006
Brazil is changing but, it will take at least twenty years to see the change. You must rember that the people never had a voice in their government. You should not blame the current government but those bloody dictators that rule Brazil for the last hundred years or more. I was in Brazil last year and was very impressed with the social programs of B. de Silva in Rio. The government can't do everything the people should be encourged to help solve some of Brazil's social problems. In the USA, we have the United Negro Education fund, every year money is raised to support this fund. Why don't the Brazilian high paid soccer players donate money to help the disadvantage people?
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written by Guest, June 15, 2006
Oh! To say you care is easy! But to actually do something to show you care! Good luck with that one! Maybe that is something to be written into their contracts. Not just for Brazilian pro soccer players, but for pro athletes of every country. Well the ball players anyway, since those sports are where the money is. Let’s face it, they got a luck brake in life, most of them anyway. Where else could they make that type of money for playing like children in the street? Write it in their contracts, to start up and fund programs to help the people of their home countries and communities. And not only start and fund, but to be an active participant in said programs! The same should go for the TV and movie crowd. When you get lucky in life show some type of appreciation to those a lot less fortunate that you. Also if you’re so inclined as to talk politics, don’t just talk, show people that you really mean what you say.
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written by Guest, June 15, 2006
My bad. Should be "lucky brake" and "than you". Sorry!
mabreu@uai.com.br
written by Guest, June 15, 2006
quem é este cara? tá se candidatando mesmo?
Reply
written by Guest, June 16, 2006
In a free society the people have to come together to solve the problems of the country. The people of means should be sharing their wealth with others. For example, if you have an income of one millions a year and donate $20,000 to charity this will help some disadvantage child go to school. Rember, the mind is a terrible thing to waste.
e por isto que..
written by Guest, June 16, 2006
O Brazil will lose on sunday!! and I hope will not qualify for the next World Cup.
O Brazil vai perder next domingo!! E eu espero que o Brasil nao passe nas eliminatorias para a outra copa do mundo!
ass: O carioca
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written by Guest, June 16, 2006
"Well, if you think you would be happier in Brazil then I wish you happiness!"

Thank you! smilies/smiley.gif

"Why do you consider America bland and generic and cutureless? "

We don't have a culture. Only basketball (boring) baseball (boring) pretzels, burgers, and beer (not bad). The only good stuff like Spanish food and Asian martial arts is borrowed and isn't really American yet.
Brazilian mindframe x underdevelopment
written by Guest, June 16, 2006
For you guys out there that can read Portuguese this is what it is all about: how soccer is used to numb the minds of the masses.

I hope they will be packing soon.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Saudades do Obdulio
por Janer Cristaldo em 13 de junho de 2006

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Em 1971, residindo já há seis meses em Estocolmo, fui à polícia de Imigração renovar meu bosättningtillstånd. Melhor nem pronunciar a palavrinha, vai soar meio esquisito em português. Em todo caso, significa permissão de residência. Konstapel é o título que se dá ao policial. Registrei este momento em meu romance Ponche Verde.

- Nacionalidade?

- Brasileira.

- Ah! Então o senhor quer asilo político?

- Oh não, jag ska tacka nej, como pode muito bem ver Herr Konstapel, nesse formulário peço apenas uma permissão de estada, agradeço a generosa oferta, que aliás é pertinente. Meu país vive uma ditadura, sei disso, os dias não são os melhores para quem pensa e escreve o que pensa. Mas antes de fugir de ditaduras, Herr Konstapel, estou fugindo do país todo, fujo exatamente daquilo que para vossos patrícios é sinônimo de charme e exotismo, fujo do carnaval e do futebol, do samba e da miséria, da indigência mental e da corrupção, quero tirar umas férias do subdesenvolvimento, viver em um território onde o homem sofre os problemas da condição humana e não os da condição animal. Muito antes de os militares tomarem o poder, min Herr, eu já não suportava os civis. Veja o Sr., meu povo morre de fome e todos sorriem felizes e desdentados quando um time de futebol bate outro, se bem que a coisa não é assim tão tétrica como a pinto, veja bem, lá também existe luxo, requinte, hotéis que talvez fizessem inveja aos de vosso rico país, mansões de sonho isoladas da miséria que as envolve por arames farpados, guardas e cães, há cronistas sociais que acendem charutos com notas de cem dólares e homens catando no lixo restos de podridão para comer. E não fujo só do Brasil, Sr. Policial Superdesenvolvido, fujo também de minha condição de jornalista, pertenço a uma classe que se pretende de esquerda e entorpece multidões com doses cavalares de ... futebol.

Ou seja, não é de hoje que abomino o Brasil do futebol. Os suecos imaginavam que eu fugia do regime militar. Nada disso. Razões bem anteriores à ditadura me faziam detestar essa idiossincrasia de meu país. Em uma festa em Estocolmo, um Svenson puxou conversa comigo. Queria saber do Garincha, do Pelê, do Jairssinho. Disse-lhe que estava na Suécia exatamente para não ouvir falar dessa gente. “Então não temos mais nada a conversar”, disse-me. Varsågod, min kära! Como queira, meu caro. E fui juntar-me às tjejers, elas pelo menos não estavam interessadas em futebol. Não era a ditadura que me afastava do país. Ditaduras passam. O futebol é eterno.


Em outras viagens, sempre perambulei com a praga pregada às costas. No aeroporto de Bucareste, um guarda de fronteira, mal viu meu passaporte, abriu em um sorriso afável sua cara de laje e disse: “Pelê”. Ao entrar em Berlim oriental, outro cara de laje, após olhar um minuto para minha foto e mais um minuto para meu rosto (e aí você vê quanto custa a passar um minuto), também sorriu: “Pelê”. Nas montanhas de El Hoggar, no Saara argelino, senti nos olhos de um funcionário embuçado um brilho alegre ao ver que meu passaporte era do país de Pelé. Todos os esforços do Brasil para constituir-se como nação, toda a história nacional, todas as instituições brasileiras resumiam-se a uma palavrinha de quatro letras. Pelé passou. Em minhas últimas viagens, tive de suportar outra: Ronaldinho.


Ora, direis, o cronista abomina o futebol. Nada disso. Considero o futebol um esporte muito plástico, bonito, inteligente e mesmo excitante. Joguei muito futebol em meus dias de guri. (Eu era bom. Certa vez, até mesmo fiz um gol). O que abomino é a passionalidade. Li em algum lugar que, no século passado, um time na Inglaterra aplaudiu uma jogada brilhante do adversário. Eu, que nunca em minha vida entrei em estádio algum, gostaria de estar lá nesse dia. Isto é civilização.


Mais que o fanatismo, abomino esta mania tupiniquim de associar o futebol à nação. Toda época de copa, vivo meus dias de nojo. Já não se pode ir a um restaurante sem ter de suportar os patrioteiros berrando a cada gol. O verde e amarelo torna-se emético. Pessoas aparentemente inteligentes viram de repente brutos fanatizados. Nem precisa o Brasil jogar. Qualquer jogo é aquecimento para o dia em que a pátria entrar de chuteiras no campo. E ai de você se pedir a um garçom para baixar o volume da TV. Passará por inimigo da nação. Isso se não for corrido do restaurante.


De uma forma que lógica alguma explica, cada vitória do Brasil é vista como uma vitória do governo no poder, seja lá qual governo for. Assim foi nos dias de Médici, assim é nestes dias do Supremo Apedeuta. É como se o presidente e seus ministros tivessem suado a camiseta nos estádios. Cientes deste vício deste povinho infame, os governantes se apressam em colar-se à seleção. A copa passa a ser um fator eleitoral. Nestes dias, ninguém mais lembrará que o PT montou a mais vasta quadrilha de toda a história do país, que o presidente acha algo perfeitamente normal o caixa dois, como nada vê de mal no fato de seus filhos enriquecerem com tráfico de influência. Ninguém mais lembrará dos assassinatos em série do PT, nem do financiamento estatal à guerrilha católico-marxista. Muito menos dos ministros escorraçados de seus ministérios por participação na quadrilha. Tudo será borrado da memória nacional. Depois da copa, começa-se de zero.


Pior é o espetáculo da imprensa. Jornalistas, que por questão de ofício deveriam ser profissionais lúcidos, transformam-se em palhaços abobalhados que só repetem lugares comuns e frases vazias. Passamos a viver em pleno império das nulidades. Os jornais passam a dedicar cadernos inteiros à crônica ... do nada. Rádio e televisão ministram todos os dias doses colossais de anestésicos. Em falta de assunto, criam-se tragédias em torno às bolhas no pé de uma vedete qualquer, à lesão no menisco de outro analfabeto. Saudades dos anos 50. Outro dia, pesquisando jornais da época, tive o grato prazer de constatar que, naqueles dias, futebol não entrava na primeira página dos jornais.


O que me afasta do futebol é o fanatismo do povinho, dizia. Paradoxalmente, nestes dias de copa viro torcedor. Desde que me conheço por gente, em todas as copas, sempre torci... pela derrota do Brasil. Torço especialmente nas oitavas, quando uma derrota significa exclusão da competição. Mas também não me desagrada ver o Brasil goleado em uma semifinal ou final. Assim sendo, ergo minhas preces neste início de campeonato pela vitória da Croácia. Hrvatska, em croata. País com um nome assim bem merece uma vitória. Além do mais é país de fraldas, tem pouco mais de dez anos de vida. Que viva a Hrvatska! Uma taça lhe viria bem para apresentar-se ao mundo. Se a Hrvatska não contiver o Brasil, deposito minhas esperanças nos demais adversários pela frente. Se, na pior das hipóteses, o Brasil chegar à final, rezo para que um Obdulio Varela ressurja das cinzas para terminar a copa com fecho de ouro. Nestes dias de tão raras boas notícias, peço aos deuses um presente para mim mesmo. Uma derrota, de preferência humilhante, de meu país. Se ela ocorrer, o leitor já pode imaginar meu sorriso imenso e feliz.


Você conhece algum país que faça feriado em dia de jogo de sua seleção? Se disser que conhece, vou dizer que você se engana. Esta vergonha é nossa e exclusivamente nossa.

Você quer torcer pelo Brasil? Torça. Mas quando estiver gritando “pra frente, Brasil!” preste atenção ao eco: “Lula 2006”.


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written by Guest, June 16, 2006
quote:

"Why don't the Brazilian high paid soccer players donate money to help the disadvantage people?"

LOL...are you kidding??

The richest people in this country don't donate a damn thing to help the poor!!

Brazilians, the ones with cash, either came from nothing or their fathers or grandfathers had nothing. Poverty hits them in the face everyday once they leave their penthouses. With an economy like brazils, people can say what they may, but the last couple years brazil didn't even make par with the rest of the world, was only in front of Haiti in Latin America, people with money here horde it for themselves. They're afriad to donate, to help their own country, people.

Because of some of these variables I can understand....to a degree, but all in all, brazilians are the most selfish people I've ever seen in my life.

Supermodel Gisele donated 30,000 dollars to the bolsa familia program and it made national news, like she made a big sacrifice! She makes at least that much money in one weekend shoot!

Brazilians don't donate their money to help the poor, nothing significant anyway, and you can believe that there are numerous people in this country that have hundreds of millions of dollars, and even one billionaire!
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written by Guest, June 16, 2006
quote:

"Você conhece algum país que faça feriado em dia de jogo de sua seleção? Se disser que conhece, vou dizer que você se engana. Esta vergonha é nossa e exclusivamente nossa."

Never a truer statement has been made!

Last week when I was in my bank meeting with the bank manager, the day before the brazil worldcup game, I scheduled a meeting for the next day, with my partners that are foreigners, who are making a significant investment in brazil. The manager reminded me when setting the appointment, "we must meet in the morning, we're closed at 2:30 pm". I started to laugh, asked him if he was joking, he replied, "não sou americano, eu sou brasileiro." He then showed me a document from banco central that showed the hours that ALL banks in brazil, and the entire financial sector in brazil, is closed during brazils worldcup games!!!

This shows the "attitude" of people here. Brazil is not a serious country, deGaulle was correct. One would think that brazil was one of the richest countries on the planet, that poverty and misery doesn't exist here, instead of the roughly 40% that actually does exist.

Here's the best one though, when I went to banco do brasil last week, a different bank than the one mentioned above, I know a lady that works there and asked her if they were also closed during brazil games, she as well pulled out the paper from banco central, and showed me the hours of operation during those days, and her reply was this, "and when brazil plays at noon we have to come back at 3 pm....que chata!!! LMAO!!

In which I responded, "ya know, the rest of the world has to work during their countries games.
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written by Guest, June 16, 2006
"and when brazil plays at noon we have to come back at 3 pm....que chata!!! LMAO!!

Too funny.
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written by Guest, June 16, 2006
Maravilhoso artigo, gostei muito, vou guardar uma cópia para mim.

“Em outras viagens, sempre perambulei com a praga pregada às costas.”

Este trecho é muito cômico.

“Ora, direis, o cronista abomina o futebol. Nada disso. Considero o futebol um esporte muito plástico, bonito, inteligente e mesmo excitante. Joguei muito futebol em meus dias de guri. (Eu era bom. Certa vez, até mesmo fiz um gol). O que abomino é a passionalidade. Li em algum lugar que, no século passado, um time na Inglaterra aplaudiu uma jogada brilhante do adversário. Eu, que nunca em minha vida entrei em estádio algum, gostaria de estar lá nesse dia. Isto é civilização”.

Muito legal aquela situação do aplauso. Eu também queria estar lá! Eu que me considero um peixe fora d’água, um ET em situações altamente nacionais como outros (as); mas reconheço que tenho um pouco dessa marca de passionalidade. O contato anônimo com nacionalidades que atacam a torto e a direito esta nação revelou um dark side meu! (risada). Obrigada à inglesa.
Supermodel? What\'s so super about her
written by Guest, June 16, 2006
I remember reading Gisele’s day rate was $300,000. and this was 2003! It’s not her responsibility to feed all Brazil’s children, but 30k is a bit low considering the publicity see most likely got for dropping a penny into the ocean. This goes to show the superficial nature of celebrities and sports jerks. We need people like Bill and Malinda Gates in Brazil. Not only do they give $50mm a year just for minority education in the US along with an estimated 200mm for other US charities, they also give 100’s of millions to the world’s less fortunate. I don’t know the exact numbers, but their foundation gives hundreds of millions of dollars a year to the world’s poor.
vai perder, vai perder!!!
written by Guest, June 16, 2006
Domingo o Brasil vai tomar no cu!!
o carioca.
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written by Guest, June 16, 2006
quote:

"I don’t know the exact numbers, but their foundation gives hundreds of millions of dollars a year to the world’s poor."

Try BILLIONS....the bill and melinda gates foundation gave TWO BILLION dollars to africa!

Those americans, terrible people them.
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written by Guest, June 16, 2006
what chaps my ass is when I see many that speak terribly about americans because of some actions of the american government.

If people did that about brazilians, classified them by the actions of their politicians and government....just imagine.

Americans are the most generous people in the world today, by their monetary donations anyway. The people from the entire continent of europe don't GIVE more money than americans, and all the governments in europe combined don't GIVE more money to other countries than the U.S. gov't.

One must give credit where credit is due.
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written by Guest, June 16, 2006
Why don't the soccer players have a soccer game and donate the money to education of the poor children? The Mandela Children Funds raise money every year to help the poor children of SA. If Brazilians can bet millions on soccer games they can donate money to charity. Also, the churches in Brazil should be involved in uplifting the poor of Brazil.
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written by Guest, June 16, 2006
yeah, the churches should be. But the catholic church here, which accounts for the largest catholic population on the planet, expects 10% of your annual income!

They don't care if you're only making a thousand dollars a year, they want their 100 bucks!
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written by Guest, June 17, 2006
“Well, yes. If my girlfriends’ husband didn’t watch football or other sports I’d have no sex life. Sometimes he even invites me to watch a game with him. Does he not know? I’m a busy man, I have other things to do. I should meet a single woman. Single women usually like to argue too much though, not talk, but actually argue. Stop fighting, go have sex, then talk about the human condition.”

Quality sex is something wonderful, but that implies quality, well being. Shouldn’t that satisfy a person? Isn’t something else different from that crossing the board of pain instead of pleasure? Being controlled instead of being in control of one’s own destiny?
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written by Guest, June 17, 2006
how about st dos mont the real inveter of the airplane
vai perder, vai perder!!!
written by Guest, June 18, 2006
os bonecas dos brasileiros tao tudo de verde amarelo pelas ruas, uns cornos! umas bonecas de moda brasileira, engracado como a patria amada e so no campo, na vida e um f**king another! bando de falsos estes brasilieiros, amanha o brasil vai perder e feio!
kakaka
assinado O carioca!
Eddie
written by Guest, June 18, 2006
Go Brazil win one more HEXA.....educate people.....win two more.....even income inequities....win three more.....
It\'s true!
written by Guest, June 18, 2006
Brazil is a world power - IN SOCCER!
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written by Guest, June 18, 2006
in crime and unequal distribution of income and corruption....brazil is a world power.
Oh come on now
written by Guest, June 19, 2006
Are Brazilians really that selfish? Are people looking for reasons to hate Brazil, the way some look for reasons to hate America? Because it has a lot to offer and this causes jealousy?
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written by Guest, June 19, 2006
please, tell us, and me, someone who has been living in the northeast of brazil for close to a decade now....what exactly is a "lot to offer" that brazil has?

Now take into account everything, educational system, justice system, security, opportunity, in other words, "quality of life".

Tell us.
Point! They should do more for poor!
written by Guest, June 19, 2006
My mistake you are absolutely right, it is billions. But you have to admit, even with my watered down numbers they still shame the majority of rich and wealthy in the helping of the worlds less fortunate. And while Gates is doing a job he likes, he still actually works, he’s not playing a sport like a kid in the street, and he’s not playing dress up like an actor or modal.
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written by Guest, June 19, 2006
“They don't care if you're only making a thousand dollars a year, they want their 100 bucks!”


Right On!!
And if you give 110 bucks you can have meat on Friday.
Down with the Catholic Church. In the U.S. they pay no real-estate taxes, probably so for most other countries as well. Yet they lease building space to public school systems at a premium and dictate what can and can not be taught. This includes sex-ed, theory of evolution, and history. Perhaps to push their moral agenda?
Also it seems no one is betting on the children to win. They would win if fed and educated.
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written by Guest, June 19, 2006
they don't pay taxes in brazil either, most churches don't in most countries.
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written by Guest, June 19, 2006
As I wrote,
probably so for most other countries as well.
The Catholic Church as a whole has the largest holding of prime real-estate compared to other religions. This is of course outside Muslim States. Then again they probably own a wealth of land in those countries as well.
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written by Guest, June 19, 2006
Quote:

"Right On!!
And if you give 110 bucks you can have meat on Friday.
Down with the Catholic Church. In the U.S. they pay no real-estate taxes, probably so for most other countries as well. Yet they lease building space to public school systems at a premium and dictate what can and can not be taught. This includes sex-ed, theory of evolution, and history. Perhaps to push their moral agenda?
Also it seems no one is betting on the children to win. They would win if fed and educated."


Reply:

You apparently have no idea of what you're talking about. I went to a Catholic grade school, in full uniform, in the early 1980's. We were taught sex-education. In Catholic high school we were taught evolution as a matter of fact rather than theory.

Never heard of Gregor Mendel have you? Let me quote you something out of author Matt Ridley's book "Genome" regarding Mendel's discovery about characteristics not mixing in heredity.

Excerpt.

"Darwin knew Jenkin was right, and even the usually ferocious Thomas Henry Huxley was silenced by Jenkin's argument, but Darwin also knew that his own theory was right. He could not square the two. If only he had read Mendel."

Gregor Mendel was a Catholic friar and abbot of a monastery. His enormous sytematic study of various plants advanced knowledge on evolution.

And as for the Catholic Church stance on evolution, no less then Pope John Paul II has chimed in several times on the matter. He stated "evolution is more than a theory."

I had more than one history class in Catholic school, and the ones that I had in high school all required essay styled home work and contrast & comparison form essay tests. Quite different than many Public Schools "fill in the blank" history tests. Hell, some large universities only have "fill in the blank" history tests.

And for your information the Vatican has taken a vocal, clear, and official stance that "intelligent design" theory *is not science.* Don't confuse Evangelical Protestantism for Catholicism.
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written by Guest, June 19, 2006
Quote:

"yeah, the churches should be. But the catholic church here, which accounts for the largest catholic population on the planet, expects 10% of your annual income!

They don't care if you're only making a thousand dollars a year, they want their 100 bucks!"


Reply:

Its apparent you have little to no clue as to what you are talking about. The Catholic Church does not force people to pay what they can't. The German Catholic Church spends more money on Latin America than the entire U.S. budget for global development. And many Catholic Archdiocies (sp?) in the U.S. have sister parishes in Latin America whom they help support, I know because the parish my mother goes to helps send money to a sister parish in the Dominican Republic. My mother went and stayed with one of the extremely poor families of that parish for a short while.

Unless you're the equal of Mother Teresa or something, evoking the evil of Catholics world wide moves me little. Catholicism is no more evil to this world than anything else.

Yes she is rich in landed wealth - though not raw dollars - but she should be after 2,000 years of existance.
Relax
written by Guest, June 19, 2006
Then you did not hear or read about the problems in NYC. The Catholic Church had several unused buildings the public school system wanted to lease as schools. Leases were signed or about to be signed, depending on the building, when all of a sudden the Church wanted to see the curriculums to be taught at the sites. Then specifically said no sex-education will be aloud to be taught along with a few other rules at the sites. They actually had it in writing in an older lease to another organization and stated that instance as their point. I’m sure this was not the first time such action has taken place.

I give no doubt as to the good some people do within the organization. But it is governed with a certain agenda held fast by 2,000 years of existence. Conquering and persecuting to advance its own agenda. Now giving a helping hand to advance the very same agenda. Don’t get so upset, the Catholic Church is not the only religious organization that does this sort of thing.

And as the sayings go; “History is according to the writer” “So read it all, twice if you have to, then question it all”
Re: tell us
written by Guest, June 19, 2006
please, tell us, and me, someone who has been living in the northeast of brazil for close to a decade now....what exactly is a "lot to offer" that brazil has? "

Brazil has by far the best culture, a perfect fusion of African, Indian, and European elements. Brazilian Portuguese is by far the most beautiful language and is music to the ear. They have great food that is healthy. The good food combined with the lifestyle of walking more and samba dancing will keep you in great shape. The weather is perfect, the scenery is out of this world, and they have a lot of beaches. The source of jealousy is that they are beautiful looking because of mixing into interesting types with good hair, skin, and body shape combinations. What more could one ask for?
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written by Guest, June 19, 2006
uh...I don't know, maybe an opportunity to make enough money to live in a decent house, eat, send your kids to college? And that they live long enough to make it there?

quote:

"Its apparent you have little to no clue as to what you are talking about. The Catholic Church does not force people to pay what they can't."

No one said anything about "forcing" them to pay...the word was "want". And the catholic church "expects" for its church attending members to pay exactly that....10% of your income.
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written by Guest, June 20, 2006
Quote:

"Then you did not hear or read about the problems in NYC. The Catholic Church had several unused buildings the public school system wanted to lease as schools. Leases were signed or about to be signed, depending on the building, when all of a sudden the Church wanted to see the curriculums to be taught at the sites. Then specifically said no sex-education will be aloud to be taught along with a few other rules at the sites. They actually had it in writing in an older lease to another organization and stated that instance as their point. I’m sure this was not the first time such action has taken place.

I give no doubt as to the good some people do within the organization. But it is governed with a certain agenda held fast by 2,000 years of existence. Conquering and persecuting to advance its own agenda. Now giving a helping hand to advance the very same agenda. Don’t get so upset, the Catholic Church is not the only religious organization that does this sort of thing.

And as the sayings go; “History is according to the writer” “So read it all, twice if you have to, then question it all” "


Reply:

No I did not read about the problems in New York. Every Archdiocese is ran by it's Bishop. Meaning, the Bishop of Rome (that's the Pope) does not run the New York City Archdiocese.

I know for a fact evolution is accepted as sound science within Catholicism. Though there are Catholics who refuse to accept evolution, but they are in the minority.

And apparent in your comments are a lack of understanding the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church is evey single lay person that belongs to it, it is not just the clergy. Every Catholic is considered to have his or her own vocation to fulfill. *Marriage* is one of the 7 sacarments of the Church right along with *Holy Orders.* If the Church was just the clergy and sole means to "conquer and persecute" as you say, then you would not have to be Catholic to be ordained to its Priesthood. It would effectively become mercenary like the U.S. run military (e.g. non-U.S. citizens employed as soldiers, sailors, Marines, and airmen). But unlike your bigoted rethoric most Catholics in the U.S, are not running around "conquering and persecuting" anyone in the U.S. They get up day in day out and do their jobs. And some of them like my mother who use to be *employed by the Archdiocese* of my city, was tasked by the Arcdiocese among other things, to lobby on behalf of the states small farmers to the state government.

Within my mothers family they had an aunt that was a Nun, my mother wanted me to become a Priest when I was young. Contrary to popular perception Priest and the heirarchy of the Catholic Church don't pop out of thin air, the vast majority of them where raised by *Catholic mothers.*

My mother is a voteing Democrat and against abortion, she also is a Church going Catholic and use to be employed by her Archdiocese. No one in my family eats children, or was trained to go over throw nations, or persecute helpless people. So frankly you can take your comments and stick them where the sun don't shine. If New York Public School system - the pride of the world in education as it is - doesn't want to abide by New York City Archdiocese policies per lease agreement, then let them seek building space else where. I've been to New York City so there is no way you can tell me the Catholic Church owns most the property in that city.

And I asked my mother about the issue of the Catholic Church not paying property taxes. She said that *all nonprofits* do not have to pay property taxes so long as they operate within their budget, though they are allowed a certain excess, but she did not know the details. But according to her parishes and Catholic schools don't have to pay property tax as they are protected under the clause of nonprofit. But if a Catholic Archdiocese opens up a for profit venture such as housing establishment they will be required by law to pay property tax on that. She also pointed out that every Archdiocese is required by law to pay income taxes or taxes on it's emplyoees incomes.

Right now I have cousin that is not Catholic but was educated by the Catholic Church from grade school through high school, he also went on to do a year or so in college; he just took out a loan on his house to pay for his sons Catholic high school tuition, which his son will be starting next year I believe. He presently works part time, his wife with 4 years of college education (and a product of Catholic high school education herself) brings in the bulk of their income working full time. They are far from rich, and can be considered low middle class at best. Yet though neither of them practice the Catholic faith, both are voteing Democrats, and they percieve a benefit in sending their children through Catholic school education (and their kids are in it now at the grade school level), to the extent they are willing to aquire a loan against their home to pay $8,000 per year for their sons high school education.
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written by Guest, June 20, 2006
Quote:

"No one said anything about "forcing" them to pay...the word was "want". And the catholic church "expects" for its church attending members to pay exactly that....10% of your income."


Reply:

Well they need to do a better job "expecting" as many central city parishes have had to combine because the poor black and latino peoples in their respective sides of towns have for years been unable to give 10% of their income and keep the parishes operational - that combined with the fact that hardly any younger white folks (mid 30's on down) or men attend Catholic Mass anymore or send money to the Church.

But given some of the degrees to which devote Latin Americans go to to make it to Mass, I guess I can't doubt to hard many of them being poor as hell probably still do give up 10% of their income. Maybe.
Peace
written by Guest, June 20, 2006
You obviously don’t read beyond what you want to read in a post. But I did make a mistake. I should have written; “First conquering and persecuting to advance its own agenda.” I can see how you twisted that around. My meaning was not to say their agenda was conquering and persecuting, but they used those means to advance their agenda.

You did twist my words around, you saying; “I've been to New York City so there is no way you can tell me the Catholic Church owns most the property in that city.”
While I said; “The Catholic Church as a whole has the largest holding of prime real-estate compared to other religions. This is of course outside Muslim States. Then again they probably own a wealth of land in those countries as well.”

So the meaning to all this is; read it all, six times if you have to, then question it all, if you still don’t get it yet, read it all another six times…

And by the way, my first seven years of school where in Catholic school. The greatest thing my parents ever did for me was take me out of Catholic school when I asked to go to public school.
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written by Guest, June 20, 2006
Quote:

"You obviously don’t read beyond what you want to read in a post. But I did make a mistake. I should have written; “First conquering and persecuting to advance its own agenda.” I can see how you twisted that around. My meaning was not to say their agenda was conquering and persecuting, but they used those means to advance their agenda."


Reply: The problem here is I have read several history books on the Christianity by several different soucres, from triumphalistic Catholic writer, to Protestant author, to Eastern Orthodox author, to one of the most premier anti Catholic Catholic authors and intellectual around (Hans Kung).

I am not a totally ignorant person of Christian history, or more specifically Catholic history around. One thing is that Church has 2,000 years of history, and hardly 7, 10, or 20 books can adequately cover Catholic history spaning the world with all its wide variety of characters and unknown faces and names that have impacted lives. And for anyone that might have ever read one 300 page book on 2,000 years of Catholic history, would be misled if they believe after reading such a short volume that now they know all or roughly all there is to know about Catholic history. One can compose a 300 page work just on the life of John Paul II, or any person for that matter, so it is a vain attempt transmit total sum of truth for an entire *peoples* and institution spaning 2,000 years and several continents, languages, and cultures, into a 300 page work. Yet more than one person reads such small works and assume themselves enlightened beyond all measure all Catholicism.

You challenged me to think for myself, as such I do, I try to read "actively" and debate with the author of books in my own head when such times are appropriate. Having sad that I noticed in all my reading of Christian history a number of things. Some of which where: The Papal States and Holy Roman Empire never launched colonizing efforts into the Americas, Africa, or Asia. That it was Protestants or *Catholic laity* under the auspices of nationalistic interests, and personal adventurism, that saught to rape nations around the world of independence and natural resouces. That one can not point to the Jesuits or other Catholic Priestly orders, per their orders mission, conducting amphibious raids or lighting attacks in full battle armor, against native locals.

So without writing a million word essay, the assertion does not hold water that the "Catholic Church" per heirarchy has historically "first conquered and persecuted to advance their own agenda" in light of the fact the Pope had an armed army and *navy* for so long. Spain was every much pro Catholic, but had uneasy power relations with the Pope and papal states, though she remained allies with the Holy Roman Empire. France however, predominately Catholic, was an enemy of the Holy Roman Empire and Spain. Hell, it was a Catholic Cardinal that was one of Frances most famous secular state leaders/advisors that greatly helped leading France against Spain, H.R.E., and the Papal States. By mere matter of how often the Papal States were invaded by other Catholic kingdoms, and by mere matter how long Italy remained under the boot of other nations - including Spain, it is pretty foolish and simplistic to imagine the Papacy and heiarachy of the Church running every secular adventurism around the world. The Pope couldn't keep order in Italy and run it with absolute control in the 1500's he sure as hell couldn't weild an all hamering might in the America's in the 1500's.


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"You did twist my words around, you saying; “I've been to New York City so there is no way you can tell me the Catholic Church owns most the property in that city.”
While I said; “The Catholic Church as a whole has the largest holding of prime real-estate compared to other religions. This is of course outside Muslim States. Then again they probably own a wealth of land in those countries as well.”


Reply: Fair enough. But for the record I understood you commentary, I wasn't trying to twist your words - even though it may have come out that way, and so I apologize - I was *trying* to anticipate your next move so to speak. So I immediately suspected you would reply back to me that the New York Archdiocese owns most New York City property, and so addressed that before you could make the charge. Perhaps I was wrong for that.


America is a s**t hole
written by Guest, June 21, 2006
America is a s**t hole with nothing to offer but the prospect of being in debt and maybe making a decent living.

Americans are the s**ttiest people on earth. Black Americans treat each other like total s**t. If you don't toe the party line they will make your life a living hell. White Americans are culturally BANKRUPT. They don't know drumming from drooling. Americans are cynical and negative about everything. If roads aren't perfectly paved, if they don't have 5000 TV channels, and they can't stuff their fat faces for 24 hours straight they will whine until you can't hear yourself think. I hate America, I want your money not your friendship. f**k it! I don't want your money, give me mine back. I am taking my funloving black butt to Bahia to spend the rest of my youth basking in the glow of peace, culture, and life.
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written by Guest, June 22, 2006
quote:

"I am taking my funloving black butt to Bahia to spend the rest of my youth basking in the glow of peace, culture, and life. "

Good.
Dear Mr. Cristovam
written by Guest, June 23, 2006
It is almost July. I am preparing the grades of my medical students. It is sad that the grades does not mean the reality of class. However, I teach in a private university. A professor in such institution is nothing. My salary is a little bit more than one thousand reals, while the student pays almost two thousand reals per month. I must keep my job or I will be jobless. So, I need to comply with the students, doing easy tests, allowing them to cheat, if they do not want to do lab report is fine. They are so cute, neat, smart and they think that tomorrow they will be great men. Note: All my students are white heritage.
What to do? They are the wealthies from this Country, I do not have any power. They will be terrible professionals, arrogant people.
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written by Guest, June 23, 2006
quote:

"They will be terrible professionals, arrogant people."

You're right about that. And speaking of arrogance, so many love to use this word to describe americans....have you ever met a truly rich and powerful brazilian??

There is no more arrogant person on the planet, including rich americans....why are they more arrogant? Because they know that whatever they do that NOTHING will ever happen to them....they have NO RISK of ever going to jail....which is on the contrary in the U.S....independant of what many believe.
The true will set you free
written by Guest, June 28, 2006
Someone said a true and then the forum became quite.
crazy!
written by Guest, June 29, 2006
Quote: "It is almost July. I am preparing the grades of my medical students. It is sad that the grades does not mean the reality of class. However, I teach in a private university. A professor in such institution is nothing. My salary is a little bit more than one thousand reals, while the student pays almost two thousand reals per month. I must keep my job or I will be jobless. So, I need to comply with the students, doing easy tests, allowing them to cheat, if they do not want to do lab report is fine. They are so cute, neat, smart and they think that tomorrow they will be great men. Note: All my students are white heritage.
What to do? They are the wealthies from this Country, I do not have any power. They will be terrible professionals, arrogant people."

This is terrible. What kind of doctor's will they be? I am a med student in the US-- I have never had an "easy" exam-- it seems our professors make them as hard as possible! Come to the US-- the professors have ALL the power here. We are not in the business of producing incompetent doctors.
To the Medical professor:
written by Guest, June 29, 2006
Are there no women in your class? Ours is 50/50.

Just curious about medical education in Brazil...
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written by Guest, June 29, 2006
quote:

"This is terrible. What kind of doctor's will they be? I am a med student in the US-- I have never had an "easy" exam-- it seems our professors make them as hard as possible! Come to the US-- the professors have ALL the power here. We are not in the business of producing incompetent doctors. "

The way it is in brazil, if you go to the best hospitals in the country, which are in Sao Paulo, you will see that the brazilian doctors there, nearly 100%, have studied and gotten their medical degrees in the United States or Europe.

When you go to other parts of brazil, you will see that the best doctors in those cities got their degrees in Sao Paulo.
Money
written by Guest, June 29, 2006
You can buy a medical doctor diploma in Brazil. Just registre in a private university and stay there talking, socializing for 5 years and keep paying all the fees.
Easy my friend and in the end you may be a good medical doctor. There are a lot poor people for you to use as a trainner.
Amy
written by Guest, July 05, 2006
My mother's siblings immigrated here to the US about a month ago from Brazil and almost immediately my cousin got tuberculosis and my uncle got a kidney stone. When my uncle couldn't take the pain anymore, he went to a hospital where he was given two painkiller pills and a bill for $5,000. Later, when he went to a doctor's office, he was billed a further $1,000 for a little medical advice.

I can understand why my aunt snd uncle have since decided that they'll not bother with healthcare here in the US - they'll just pay for plane tickets to Brazil whenever someone gets sick and pay the little amount of money for a doctor there.

In the end, does it really matter whether the American doctors' diplomas are real or not? American doctors are complete crooks. Surgery aside, I wouldn't really care whether my doctor was real or not, as long as he/she has a few years of experience and the ability to get me some meds when I needed them.
You are absolutely right
written by Guest, July 05, 2006
I had the same experience with medical doctors in north america. In general, brazilians medical doctor had a better training.
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written by Guest, July 06, 2006
truly hilarious the two posts above...obviously those that just can't stand the truth.

Brazil doesn't hold a candle to the quality of healthcare available in regards to the U.S., but in all fairness, most countries don't. It's the reason why presidents and leaders of countries throughout the world, as well as the richest people on the planet, when confronted with a serious illness, go to hospitals and doctors in the U.S. Including a brazilian ex-president who was operated on in the Cleveland Clinic.

And not only that, the above figures and representation of situations is a complete lie. Anyone that has ever been to the doctor in the U.S. knows damn well that when going to the doctor and A) are not admitted to the hospital and simply given a couple pain killers that one is certainly not billed $5,000, lol. And when going to a doctors office for a check-up and the doctor does little to nothing, gives you some "advice", that normally costs around $100 -$150 for a doctors visit....not a grand.

It's pretty easy to spot these idiots with anti-american objectives....they're so far offbase and give stories and figures so exaggerated that it's ridiculous not to mention stupid, you could be a little closer to reality then it wouldn't be so easy to see your bulls**t and anti-american objectives in your attempt to justify the terrible medical practices and healthcare situation in brazil.

And if one doesn't care when going to the doctor that he is actually being examined by a legitimate doctor, has had the training and education necessary....well, that tells a lot as well.

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