Brazzil

I´m a Brazilian living in Argentina. I believe Brazil needs social pressure in order to punish the criminals from the time of military dictatorship. The M

Oops, just pressed the wrong key. What I think is that Argentinian NGOS like the Madres and the Abuelas de Plaza de Mayo are a great example of what should have happened (but didn´t happen) in Brazil. Since our dictatorship was a "mild" one when compared to, say, Argentina´s or Chile´s, the resulting pressure for justice has always been too weak.

The Brasilian dictatorship was induced/promoted/funded by Washington (the LBJ's administratrion), deposing Joao Goulart, a democratically elected president.

To forget history is to repeat its atrocities!

Now we were saying...America's 100 Years of Repression and domination of the world?

"Remember", your are a snapshop of the typical Latin American idiot. The US handed out a few grab bags of cash to your ever corrupt population, and sent a naval ship with supplies south to "assist" if Branco et.al failed. That was the extent of Washington's involvement of your coupe. Come to grips with it - the coupe was by Brazilian design, and implemented by Brazilians.

This is probably why Lula and company are so reluctant to open up files. They know, as do most in the free thinking world, that the records would dispell the urban myth in BRazil that Johnston and Gordon plotted the whole damn thing, said "jump" and waves of brazilian lemmings followed them off the cliff chasing commies.

Think about it for a second Erckle- the US has invested billions of dollars, thousands of lives and over 3 years trying to "bring Iraq on side". You actually think a couple of spooks, and a few bags of cash and a well placed telegram changed Brazilian history for over 21 years.....Puuulllleeessssee. I know Brazilians are easily manipulated, but not even your dumbest mofo in Bahia could be that thick.

"That was the extent of Washington's involvement of your coupe".......AND I BELIEVE IN SANTA CLAUSS!

Talk to somebody who cares....till then, don't breed peckerwood!

Yours truly,

keol

how washington orchestrated the entire thing, without military intervention!! Once again, "não foi eu!!" That's the brazilian battlecry...blame it on everyone and anyone, except take responsibility. A handful of CIA agents, some cash and supplies, dominated the brazilian political and social landscape for 21 years....yeah, ok, that's believable. Absolutely NO american troops ever assisted in the ousting of Goulart nor in the activities afterwards. Funding and possibly some supplies, yes, but it was BRAZILIANS that did the deeds!! Accept it!

"AND I BELIEVE IN SANTA CLAUSS! "

That won't surprise anyone who has tried to read through your paranoid, anti US ramblings.

Get back to collecting coconuts KEOL and leave the thinking to others. You've proven time and time again that "rational thought" is not one of your strong points..

when you send TONS OF MONEY and/or weapons to whatever political group opposes your enemy WITHIN his own country. This was done on Argentina, in Chila, in Nicaragua, in Angola, in Korea, in Spain... do I need to go on??
The non military intervention (except in the "grey areas", such as Vietnam and Afghanistan) is what DEFINES the Cold War. It is called cold because there were no wars, fires, weapons. But money, politics, all in the backstage. Otherwise it would be known as the Hot War, not the C-O-L-D War.
And the fact that the US sponsored many coups throughout the World is ACADEMICALLY ACKNOWELEDGED (reconhecido academicamente pela comunidade cientifica de cientistas sociais e historiadores) through documentation.
It is undertstandable that within the US they have the need to erase this by not teaching in their schools. But you anywhere away from their borders and you will learn different. South America, Europe, Asia.. you name it.

We're talking about BRAZIL here Brainoide, you can keep on track right? Read through the Johnston memos and hear the tapes, sure the US were cheerleaders, EVERYONE wanted JANGO out. Even the papers in the days leading up to the coupe: does "fora" e "Basta" ring ANY bells with you? The fact of the matter is that in was an internal coupe in the making for SOME time, but you lefty loonies in rose coloured glasses are usually blinded to the glaringly obvious.

that still doesn't excuse the fact that BRAZILIANS themselves carried out the deeds!!

Have to love it when one thinks that some cash and a few spooks are responsible for 21 years of brazilian military rule. Matter of fact, several years after the military takeover, MANY activities that were taking place in brazil were not favorable in washington.

TONS of CASH....please, there certainly weren't BILLIONS of dollars sent to help the brazilian military in its takeover, and anything short of that, to the american gov't. wouldn't be considered TONS of CASH.

As far as not teaching things in schools, some basic things like "please", "thank you" and "excuse me" would be nice! Let alone getting into history lessons! Think there's an article on this very site today or yesterday showing that 16 million brazilian kids are NOT in SCHOOL!! Let's get 'em in school first...shall we?

"The role of the United States in these events was complex and at times contradictory. An anti-Goulart press campaign was conducted throughout 1963, and in 1964 the Johnson administration gave MORAL SUPPORT to the campaign. Ambassador Lincoln Gordon later admitted that the embassy HAD GIVEN MONEY to anti-Goulart candidates in the 1962 municipal elections and had encouraged the plotters; that many extra United States intelligence personnel were operating in Brazil; and that four United States Navy oil tankers and the carrier Forrestal, in an operation code-named Brother Sam, had stood off the coast IN CASE OF NEED during the 1964 coup. Washington immediately recognized the new government in 1964 and joined the chorus chanting that the coup d'état of the "democratic forces" had staved off the hand of international communism. In retrospect, it appears that the only foreign hand involved was Washington's, although the UNITED STATES WASW NOT THE PRINCIPAL ACTOR in these events. Indeed, the HARD-LINERS IN THE BRAZILIAN MILITARY pressured Costa e Silva into promulgating the Fifth Institutional Act on December 13, 1968. This act gave the president dictatorial powers, dissolved Congress and state legislatures, suspended the constitution, and imposed censorship."



Once again, the U.S. is a convenient "scapegoat" for brazilians and the actions of their own....truly mindboggling how a people as a whole can continually, time after time, issue after issue, refuse to take responsibility for anything.

"Once again, the U.S. is a convenient "scapegoat" for brazilians and the actions of their own....truly mindboggling how a people as a whole can continually, time after time, issue after issue, refuse to take responsibility for anything. "

Impressive how gringos refuse to take responsibility for anything.


I'm sure 20 years from now some gringo retard will deny US involvement in war of Iraq.

we physically have troops there, we've bombed them and have military personnel on the ground, it is a WAR! But please, we take responsibility for the actions that were taken, and that was SUPPORT for the EXISTING brazilian military powers that had starting making plans for this coup as early as the 1950's!

I find it interesting that with this talk of the Cold War and Proxy Wars fought therein, that Russia (then the USSR ) is not held accountable for anything. To call the US the "evil empire" is hypocritical at best and gives a simplistic view of a complicated world. In many instances the US was involved in those countries as a result of communist Russia's presence first. We all know how the USSR's little experiment in communalism and central planning worked out don't we. I never hear anyone castigating Stalin for sending 50 million to their deaths let alone Kruschev, Brezhnev or Andropov for their dirty little wars that resulted in millions upon millions dead.

How about Angola, Afghanistan, Spain and Honduras? Who was on the other end pulling the strings? - the USSR. I guess it was the US's duty to let other countries slip into North Korean style dictatorships or allow Khmer Rouge type slaughters. I have been to Cambodia - they are just now getting on their feet thanks to the opium trade. North Koreans (and Chinese) are starving and being tortured. Now we are getting word that North Korea is killing babies that are ill, mentally retarted or simply female. Wow great things all those. Yes the US has had its hand in many of those same dirty proxy wars and is responsible for much interference in domestic politics (often at the behest of local subversive groups mind you) but let's not, in our rush to be revisionist and America hating (which is all to easy these days) deny that Russia was always there pulling people into their sphere, perhaps setting the stage for a world-wide communist regime. Now wouldn't that have been lovely?
I'm sure Lula and Chavez would love that but let's talk to the people of Bolivia and Venezuela in 10 years, after Chavez and Morales have declared themselves Holy Roman Emperors and refuse to abdicate after having run those countries into the ground, having destroyed the intellectual classes and brought all resources under ineffiecient, corrupt state control. Here we go again . . .

Hey Herzog, you are f**king photogenic.
How about a profile snapshot.
You look nice dangling like a chicken.
Bird flu got you ???

Too bad, man