Brazzil

Our poor country will probably have 4 more years of Lula... and I´m not there to campaign against it.

Sad,but true....

Looks like Lula has it.

I am happy to see that some Brazilians recognize Lula for a criminal and a detriment to Brazil. It never ceases to amaze that a country teeming with such diversity and intelligence falls back on the lowest common denominator like the US did with Bush. Honestly, Lula is the best candidate that you can field? I know many Brazilians (including my wife) who would make a better president than Lula. I believe there is something to electing a candidate who is more in touch with the poeple but I know from experience that there are plenty of poor Brazilians from the northeast (and other regions) who have pulled themselves up by their bootstraps and are much more deserving of the position of president of one of the world's emerging powerhouses.

Alckmin is maybe not my * ideal* candidate but I guess he´d be much better than Lula. Even if I can´t campaign against Lula, at least I´ll vote against him. Let´s see...

And now, since I began this discussion, just a word in favour of Lula: when his Government began, believe it or not, I thought it´d be even WORSE than it actually was. ;-)

Why doesn't anyone here support Lula? He create 3.5 million jobs and raised the minimum wage. He freed 4,000 forced laborers and compensated them in millions of reais.

OH maybe because he is a lying piece of s**t who was complicit in ripping off the Brazilian people. Amazing how quickly people forget about little things like Mesalao isn't it? Great -compensate those forced laborers and lie to 179 million others and maybe put your hand in the cookie jar yourself why you're at it . . Wake up!

Fernando Henrique Cardoso was responsible for much of the progress that Brazil has realized to date and Lula gets credit. One person doesn't just up and pull 3.5 million jobs out of his ass alone over a year or two.

You mean the bribes for votes scandal? Was what ultimately a huge deal though? Please also post link if you can. Thx

It's amazing that presidential lying has become so commonplace that we simply dismiss it as if it were a trivial matter . . . The lies were huge when you consider what the implications might have been, i.e. the meltdown of one of the largest and most rapidly expanding economies in the world.

That the official CPI investigation is still underway and will ultimately yield nothing is perhaps even more telling. As in most countries, government investigating government [corruption] invariably leads to a "dead-end". I know that lying to one's constituency may not be that important to many but I for one happen to think it speaks volumes about the broader condition of morality in politics. In comparison with Bushco and Blair, Inc lying to the world about Iraq and WMD's this may seem trivial but lying is lying all the same. We all know that Bush and Blair are slimebags but Lula ran on a platform that promised no more lying or corruption, and the Brazilian people bought it hook, line and sinker. IN many ways this makes his behavior that much more deplorable.

There are dozens of excellent articles at the Economist but they are premium content, which I no longer have access to.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4146736.stm

http://www.brazzilmag.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5744&Itemid=53

http://www.coha.org/NEW_PRESS_RELEASES/New_Press_Releases_2005/05. 83_Brazil's_Lula_Corruption_Crisis_May_Disable_Latin_A
merica's_Giant.htm

Since I´m responsible for the first post, I´ll answer Mr. "Frustrations???":

First of all I´m frustrated because I didn´t vote for Lula in the first place and didn´t expect anything good from a sub-educated, naïve and dogmatic person like him.

Second, I´m frustrated because he fulfilled my - bad - expectations. He is not only incapable of running the country AND even of behaving as a real President, he´s also conivent with corruption.

Third, I´m frustrated because people who believe him don´t see that Brazil´s reaping the benefits of an exceptional external economic panorama, with high liquidity and extra-high commodity prices, mostly due to the increasing chinese demand. People can´t see this and credit Lula´s government for our record exports, high reserves, etc, even when Lula´s one of the major responsibles for the fact that our country hasn´t been performing even half as well as other countries in the same situation.

Did I explain myself or do I need to go on?

The traditional ruling class of Brasil have done such a fine job up until before Lula was voted in. Remember Brasil before Lula, it was such a paradise....

That's why you deserve Bush and the demoralization of USA to the World!
Can you propose to Brazil a better solution than you found for yourselves?
Can't you see the american misery? Go to New Orleans or Luoisiana!

New Orleans is within the state of Louisiana Dickhead!!! The guy from the other post was right about Brazil's new government sponsored program - Intelligencia Zero! If you are the future of Brazil god help you!

Why do I have to know the us geography? It's not my country not even one that I admire.
Ask any american student about the World's geography!
Don't make me laugh!
The only thing they know (if they know it) is us and the american flag.
You really are not the best ones to speak about geography. Even your presidents don't know it!!
Buenos Aires is not the capital of Brazil!!!

hehehe

You brought it up s**thead. You drop the name of a city and state in America to make a point but don't really need to be familiar with them? Interesting way to make an argument. Intelligencia Zero! Well that shows the level of person we are dealing with here doesn't it. Oh and I missed that thing with Bush so why don't you send me a link to that story where he says the capital of Brazil is Buenos Aires. Just curious. Oh and the threads are going to get considerably longer if we all immediately post "Good Point" or "hehehe" after our previous post. I know you posted that s**thead! What a loser!!

Yeah kind of like Lula bringing the gift of CACHACA to a summit comprised of all Islamic leaders . . .

Hi high-level-top-class!!
It was not Bush it was Reagan!!!
For Bush the list of mistakes is even bigger and we brazilians do laugh about it!!
There are so many jokes!!
I could find some links but they would be in Portuguese so no use for only-English speaking people!
About the american misery we don't make jokes. We regret!
The images of black and poor people suffering in the "rich??" US is just a model for what we don't want in our country!!

Who cares if he stole from the rich? So now you know how it feels to be one of those laborers that he compensated who were being robbed on a daily basis. Haha!

hehehe

The images of black and poor people suffering? That is the definition of Brazil buddy.

hehehe

Ohhh I see. This site is american!!! Talking about Brazil!!! Disinformation!!
Manipulation!!!
Favelas in Brazil a poor country is one thing. But in US "a supposed rich country" is something different.

Well black slums in US a segregated and racist country is one thing. But in Brazil "a supposed mixed paradise" is something different.

I agree that Brazil is not "a mixed paradise". It's just a lot better than in US but still not a paradise.

Concordamos.

go to Salvador why don't ya, or Bahia.

Why not try Belo Horizonte, and if you don't like that go to Minas Gerais.

And you could always try Recife, or go to Pernambuco!!

hehehehehehe

Lula's top-secret gov't. program "Estupidez para Todos" is breaking world records!!!

It's really amazing how you americans don't know your own History!
After decades controlling, manipulating and damaging Latin America how can you still talk about the poverty in it as if it was something totally independent of the american foreign policy?
Go to school and study how many american interventions we had in Latin America and just later come back to discuss better informed.
And you're always so nice with so sophisticated terms!!

it's certainly not the americans that are keeping the brazilian gov't. from investing in education. With billions of dollars monthly in trade surplus, one would think we would see a program such as "educação para todos", and truly mean it. But with 16 million brazilian children not even in school, the top-secret gov't. program implemented by the brazilian ruling class, "estupidez para todos" is the biggest gov't. success since they secretly agreed on the other top-secret gov't. program, "impunidade para todos os politicos"!

We have to learn from americans.
You are the perfect model for the World.
Highly educated. Respectful politicians. Sincere and intellectual president. Human Rights protectors.
Warriors of God.
Yes, yes... all the best!!
No violence, no weapons, no suicides, no misery.
All the best!! God save Bush!!

We have to learn from americans.
You are the perfect model for the World.
Highly educated. Respectful politicians. Sincere and intellectual president. Human Rights protectors.
Warriors of God.
Yes, yes... all the best!!
No violence, no weapons, no suicides, no misery.
All the best!! God save Bush!!

"Ohhh and you have nothing to do with that"

the question is....did brazil??

Because according to a large percentage of brazilians, they had NOTHING to do with their OWN military ousting their president and taking over the country....when will these people come to accept responsibility for themselves??

are you americans manipulated by FOX (TV) and others?
So do we in Brazil, manipulated by Rede Globo (that has american partners).
But we are "ignorant" in a "poor" country and you?

"So do we in Brazil, manipulated by Rede Globo (that has american partners)."

American partners?? Rede Globo??? Rede Globo is 100% owned by the Marinho family, which of course are brazilians, and one of the most powerful families in this country!