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Let's make it clear here to the foreign readers: The Brazilian jeitinho” is not necessarily breaking the law and that is a misunderstanding.

Although, very unfortunately, we have the practice of corruption and other illegal trends in Brazil (or in any other country, matter of fact), the Brazilian “jeitinho” is nothing like been corrupted or criminal.

American movies provide many examples of when you need someone help and you use your charm to get attention or to overcome excessive bureaucracy and that is the real Brazilian “jeitinho” not the breaking of law or corruption some people may think. When someone steps to the point of paying money to corrupted officials then the “jeitinho” is replaced with crime. To use the “jeitinho” is like to get someone to be sympathetic with you and willing to do some extra effort to help you out without necessarily breaking the law but only maybe breaking some social rules. The “butt kissers” in the US is an example of “jeitinho”.

Mr. Zimmermann failed to make the clear distinction between Brazilian “jeitinho” and crime activities.

A Brazilian

No, it's really in the way the author put it. Jeitinho is a broader definition, that may apply to legal or illegal situations. It means both "but kiss" and corruption and crime as well. It's seen as a good thing when it comes to the creativity of the brazilian people to overcome difficult situations or a bad thing when it refers to corrupting someone.

The definition of the above poster is not wrong, but jeitinho may also mean what the author suggested.

the author was right on the money. Jeitinho is both a bending of the rules, and can be an outright act of corruption. When being stopped by a police officer for a violation and him asking for "a cerveja" to let you go on your way, that is illegal, and it is also "jeito brasileiro".

I recognize the first poster, once again he uses "been" incorrectly in place of the word "being". He always has to chime in and make a comparison about America, and how things are similiar there, lol. He has no clue.

As the author accurately described, "jeitinho" here in brazil is actually causing a breakdown of legitimacy. Jeito brasileiro is a BIG reason for much of the corruption, complete and utter lack of respect for the law, nepotism, and so on. It's also a reason for the unjust discriminatory law enforcement. In Brazil, it certainly doesn't matter WHAT you know, it matters WHO you know, and WHO you are!

You're right - he really needs to learn to correct that if he doesn't want to give himself away in every post. Grab an English grammar book and learn the difference between "been" and "being". But then again his constant anti-American tirades, no matter what the article is really about, already give him away.

DUDE - get a f**king life. There is no corresponding practice in the US and furthermore who the f**k cares if there is. The article was talking about o jeitinho in BRASIL. Do you frequently burn US flags and bore your friends with your incessant anti-US rhetoric?? Probably don't have many friends would be my guess.

You are wrong. I am a Brazilian living in the US, working for a very large American corporation as an engineer.

What is the reason for the existence of corruption in the other countries, government and corporation level, for example? I read and listen to news here in the US, by the way. I know about the corruption scandals involving some of the politicians here. So, who are you trying to fool?

The real "jeitinho" has nothing to do with crime and it is NOT the reason for crime and corruption in Brazil. You are showing little or no knowledge our cultural way. Actually, you are showing little or no knowledge of sociology.

I know your type too; every negative concept that is presented here in this site against Brazil brings you to orgasm.

Above poster, it's unfortunate that he does have many friends who think exactly as he thinks. I'm ashamed of that, because I'm too a brazilian myself but, this guy is the perfect example of your average brazilian. At least half of the population thinks and behaves like this. Obtuse logics, anti-americanism, negation of reality and poor knowledge about the rest of the world are the most common traits around here. And that's why I want to leave this place as soon as possible. Not that America is a perfect place, but it's far, very far better than Brazil imo.

I did not say anything bad about the US in my first post. I was using the US as an example because is the country I know best after Brazil.

So what is your problem when I compare the US with Brazil?

Although I do not have a great love for your government here (which is as bad as the Brazilian one) I have many friends here and I have great admiration for many of them. I have encountered great Americans and some as bad as the ones who constantly visit this site resembling vultures looking for putrefied meat.

Being nbr 1 doesnt mean to be perfect, simply because perfection doesnt exist.
Nonetheless rankings done in an objective ways compare someone to his peers.

It remains then that Brazil is badly rated for corruption, wealth inequality, education, violence, insecurity, impunity, slavery, injustice, tax evasion, tax collection, bureaucracy, red tape, just to name a few.

It is not me or you who do these rankings !
If someone disagree you have 2 choices :
- make the necessary adjustments to rank better.
- tell the International Agencies but also the Brazilian IBGE and others, how stupid and wrong they are and that their statisitics are worth zero, because everything is fine in Brazil.

So simple !

the above poster, who appears to be brazilian, is right on the money. And I give you big kudos for at least admitting the many problems that are in fact reality, it is much more than can be said for a large percentage of brasilians. If one keeps his eyes closed to severe problems, and pretends that these type of things exist in all places, and to the degree that they do here in brazil, that will ensure that there will NEVER be any significant change for the better, as long as large percentages justify and many believe that all is A-OK.

And for the first poster who afterwards posted about american corrupt politicians. Yes, it happens, and you can bet your ass his ass will be looked up by a microscope, and if proof be found there will be consequences, a helluva lot more than can be said in the MAJORITY of the cases in brazil.

It's truly a shame when half of the politicians, senators, dupuatados, etc that were appointed to the commission to investigate the latest corruption scandal ended up quitting the commission because 99.9% of their investigations, recommendations, etc were falling on deaf ears....it was all a big show that obviously they were unaware they were the main attraction.

Jetinho Brasileiro does not exist

What you have is the “jeitinho Mediterranean”


Brazil is full of people from this area-Mediterranean

A lot of this bad habits came with the people that populate Brazil.

You have to remember that Portugal, Spain, Italy and middle east countries runs in jeitinho


Very funny website talks about that idea


http://bacaninha.cidadeinternet.com.br/home/index.php


look for animacao flash

EUROPA X ITALIA


Very funny

go there

Let me bore you once again to death.

I live in the northwest of the USA. There are two states here, one is called Oregon and the other one is called Washington.

Oregon does not have sale taxes but income taxes and Washington does not have income taxes but sales taxes.

Consequently, some people choose to live in Vancouver, WA and buy things in Oregon, just across the River.

Well, well, there is a big mall (corporation cleverness) just across that River, on the side of Oregon, Portland.

People evade sales taxes by buying things in Oregon and living in Washington. That is illegal but the police once in while go around trying to catch those Americans who think that they can fool the system and most of the time they can. The practice is now so common that nobody really thinks that it is possible to crack the “jeitinho”.

If we are going to consider the criminal way in Brazil as the real Brazilian “jeitinho” then we have to admit that in fact the Brazilian "jeitinho" is pervasive to all societies. We must have successfully exported our corrupted way of life to the entire world without even knowing it. LOL

The first poster who, though, is NOT anti-America

The author of the above article, as stated, is a Brazilian Law professor and I must respect that. As a Brazilian who grew up here in the US I must admit that the author has a greater understanding of the Brazilian terms and practices in Brazil than myself. However, I grew up in a Brazilian family, I have visited Brazil on numerous occasions, and my “jeito” is not the same as described in the article. “Jeitinho” as I practice it, is the focus on the spirit of the law rather than the letter of the law. The proverbial “ox in the mire” is a good example of this. We cannot deny that in some unique cases rules or laws do more harm then good. This is why we have judges in place to determine not only if an infringement of a law took place but also to what degree and extent. I must correct the author in that his translation is not accurate. “Jeito,” literally translates to mean “way”. As in, could you provide a “way” for me to get this document to your boss tonight? Alternatively, it may be used in describing someone’s skill, as in, he has a “way” with women, words, etc. Christians believe that their God provided a “way” for them to overcome the consequences of sin, which is a result of breaking God’s laws. After all, we are not perfect or any government or its laws as so stated above. I have a deep love for the Brazilian people and I must admit the corruption that Brazil faces is embarrassing to me. Nevertheless, I must also comment on the remarks above. The first post renders no evidence of Anti-American language, neither explicit nor inferred. If the writer has made comments to such at some other time that is another article and another thread. Furthermore, to correct someone’s grammar is noble but to ridicule a person for a mistake is immature at best. It is plainly evident that the writer used American references in the first post to help Americans relate to a Brazilian concept. To the writer of the post that stated, “There is no corresponding practice in the US and furthermore who the f**k cares if there is.” I would not only point out that the practice of, “jeito,” whether it be legal or otherwise, does in fact exist in the US but that you failed to properly punctuate, “who the f**k cares if there is,” with a questions mark. I would suggest that you remove the proverbial beam from your eye both politically and grammatically. Lest you scrutinize my post for errors as well and cause need for all of us to submit our posts to English 101 professors before we comment. I do believe that Mr. Zimmerman has exposed the practice of “jeito” to its extreme if such is the use of the term to describe corruption and the like.

Mr. DoD

Yes, I agree. Jeitinho exists both in Brazil and in America. In Brazil it's more evident because most laws do more harm than good. Jeitinho here is a mean of survival. There was another post where Mr. Zimmermann puts it that being alone and protected only by the law in Brazil is seen as something bad, because laws are oppressive here.
As for the United States, some laws are oppressive too, but no way to the extent that we see here. That fact that there are people living in Washington and buying in Vancouver is the same thing as people living in border cities in Brazil and buying in Paraguay or Argentina. Is that bad? Absolutely not! It's a mean to guarantee the freedom, it's a mean to force governments to do a right job and not to expropriate their citizens. Governments are always monopolies in their area, you cannot choose to have the services of another government and this is a way to bring competition for them.

well then according to some of the above posts I guess we can talk about the absurdity of many brazilian laws, and of course there are many. BUT, no matter how absurd many of them are, an entire population of a country certainly doesn't go around circumventing them and think that's the best way to handle a situation...which is exactly what takes place in brazil on a daily basis and is common practice....IF you have 1.connections or 2. cash.

Let's take one example, which EVERYONE participates in brazil, and that is cheating on taxes. Whether it be the purchasing of real estate, the employment of a maid and signing her card and paying the proper taxes, or owning/operating a small business and paying 148% of your GROSS in taxes annually. Now tell me, exactly HOW does one pay 148% of his GROSS in taxes yearly?? That is exactly the percentage that ALL small to medium sized businesses are expected to pay in taxes annually in brazil.

Of course one MUST cheat, because the system is designed to BANKRUPT you if you do things by the letter of the law. Wouldn't one conclude that a much better way of handling this situation would be to tax those a fair and just rate so people wouldn't have to cheat??? More than likely even more people would then pay the correct amount of tax, because they could do so without cheating AND going broke. BUT, the ideology here by both the gov't. and the population are exactly this, the gov't. is going to charge outrageous taxes because they believe everyone is going to cheat, and everyone is going to cheat because the gov't. is charging outrageous taxes. Do you see where this is going?? And this is only one example, anyone that truly knows brazil knows how many examples that can be given.....hundreds and hundreds.

As the author correctly stated, "unjust discriminatory law enforcement and breakdown of legitimacy may well be the result."

This is exactly what has happened here in brazil.

And another possible result (although I'm a gringo and don't live there) would be that anyone has the potential for being prosecuted, since most people break the laws.... In other words, don't make political enemies... I don't know to what extent this happens, but it would be a perfect scenario for this to occur.

Great comments guys. Meaningful communicaton without "name calling" what a concept. :-)

The above poster got it. In fact, you can't make political enemies here unless you are very powerful and have connections to excellent lawyers and judges. And the government keeps you illegal so that they can cheat you. Since long the brazilian government does not represent its citizens, but has become an autonomous entity that always tries (and actually does it) to extort its citizens by using the natural differences and conflicts that happen among individuals in any society to get power, justify and impose their existence.

If money is involved, its still a bribe. Get real. Happens in every culture and society. Brasilians just found a way to sugar coat it.

to the above poster, yes it does happen everywhere, but I personally have NEVER seen it happen to the extent that it does in brazil. And not only that, but it is accepted here, where in most places it certainly isn't.

It's so prevalent in brazil that it has literally caused a complete and utter lack of respect for the law, especially if you have cash or "conhescimento".

I (American) just asked my wife (Brazilian) to define for me “ jeito” after listening for a bit I came to quick conclusion in her description “ jeito” is synonomis to improvising or facilitating. As one can understand with words such as improvising or facilitating they do
imply a negative but more of a “way”.

I think some people including myself get jeito confused with this term called “advantage”
or “gaining an advantage”. Gaining na advantage can be applied to any situation from the avoidance of paying taxes to bribery or just plain having the courage to cheat.

Over the years my experience thus far in Brazil is that most people that I have met have integrity and go about day to day business with out trying to gain any advantage. These people are the same as typical Americans.

On the other hand I have met people of integrity who have been forced into cheating
the system because as a previous poster said “because the system is designed to BANKRUPT you”

Having discussed Brazilian economics with a Brazilian Professor of Economics, I asked him since you teach the universal principals of economics to your students. Why then doesnt Brazil apply them? His answer was that Brazil has been so crooked for such a long time it is difficult to straighten out. Such as making a crooked line straight.

Back to the “gaining an advantage” I have met some real scoundrels here, some I am ashamed to say are mid aged Managers in companies, note I did not say directors!
The majority I have met are between the age of 21-35. The younger group is fervent to practice their skills especially on Americans. Some are so hell bent on getting an advantage that they will loose long term income to gain a mere pittance.

The mid aged managers are more smooth, but yet fervent to gain the advantage, you can tell that these types are skilled in both gaining an advantage and the “Jeito”. These types do whatever it takes to get what they want. I have noticed they lack real educational assets in their chosen profession and make up for it with their ability to facilitate. They get their positions in companies by way of the buddy system where as no real rep**able hiring process would employ them.
Just to interject I have seen these types in the U.S. but with less frequency during the latter part of the 90’s but in comparison are more docile and have more integrity.

I think for the most part we tend to meet a higher percentage of those “gaining an advantage” because here in Brazil where straight lines will remain crooked for GOD knows how long, there is a market for these types and an incentive to be like this because of the lack of overall good education and manners and lack of cash flow.

left out does not... in the above comment..

improvising or facilitating they DOES NOT
imply a negative but more of a “way”.

Suddenly the level of this site improved notably.

I agree that we have more corruption in Brazil than in the US and I agree that if we do not stop talking and start acting we will never change.

If a cop pulls someone over for speeding and that someone slips the cop a $100 bill with a wink and says, “Come on sir, I’m sure you can provide a “way” to overlook this small infraction,” what do we call this in America? If I were to call it “a hook up”, would it make it any less a bribe? I’m sure anyone who has lived in America is familiar with the term. As in, “Dude hook me up,” or “Hook it up, hommie.” I can not speak for black people as I am not black so correct me if I am wrong, but I do not believe it is too far of a stretch to say hooking someone up in part of black culture. I would also go as far as to say that this the general population of Americans practice this. As a teenager, I used to work at Burger King and on occasion, I would “hook-up” my friends with a free soda or fries. My manager was aware of this practice and would over look it despite the fact that it was technically wrong to do. The justification followed that soda and fries cost the restaurant pennies. My friends would come in all the time to eat just because I worked there and they brought the restaurant plenty of profit. Now compare this to a Marine who allows another fellow Marine to go free doing 180 mph. in a 65. This happened in SoCal where anything over 100 mph is a felony. Is this a hook-up or something else? All this to say that Brazil has plenty of problems and in many cases much worse than that of the United States. However, “jeitinho” is not a Spade nor is anything that suggests breaking the law. Remember that in the Portuguese language the added “inh” in a word is diminutive. The word, “jeitinho” literally means a “small way.” Yes, Brazilians find a “jeito” (way) out of crime, taxes, and many other things. Yet, I do not believe it is fair to compare the Brazilian practice of personalizing a situation for a stranger to bribing or tax evasion. Still, the fact of the matter is that Brazilian life in many cases is less orderly than what I have seen here in America. On the other hand, the bureaucracy of American Government is so great that it too leads to disorder. I hope this helps everyone understand the true meaning of “jeitinho”.

Mr. DoD

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"On the other hand, the bureaucracy of American Government is so great that it too leads to disorder. I hope this helps everyone understand the true meaning of “jeitinho”. "

First of all, you want to know beurocracy?? LOL! You obviously do not know brazil!! There are approximately 34 countries on the planet that are considered worse than brazil as far as beurocracy, ask any brazilian, they'll readily admit, this is a well known fact of life in brazil for anyone that lives here. If you think it's bad in the U.S. you truly have no clue. But I've concluded that due to your comparisons of such to the states with brazil.

Do people in the states, generally speaking, respect the law?? Of course they do, they know there are consequences if they don't. In large part they know that it doesn't matter who your daddy is, although it may happen from time to time, getting out of a ticket, etc., it is certainly not the norm. In brasil, if you are from a "known" family, or have a couple dollars, it is the NORM.

Mr. DoD, it's not worth me wasting my time, you've obviously never spent significant time in brazil.

Once again, as the author correctly stated,

quote:

"unjust discriminatory law enforcement and breakdown of legitimacy may well be the result."

This is what is actually happening in brazil in MANY cities, states, etc. There has been a breakdown of legitimacy. People here, especially if you know anyone at all, it can even be the friend, of a friend, of a friend, don't have respect for the law, it doesn't apply to them. If and when pulled over by a policeman, it is common for that policeman to hear, "voce sabe com quem voce esta falando" which means, "do you know who you're talking to", and it can be a punk 22 year old kid!

LOL...we know that "inho" means little, but the correct term is "jeito brasiliero", when we want to abbreviate it we say "jeitinho".

First off, this is the first article I've seen on this site without everybody attacking each other. Hope its a trend.

I'm an American living in Brasil for five years. I've lived in São Paulo but now I live in Fortaleza. Jeito and jeitinho for me is a fascinating cultural aspect unique to Brazil - let me be clear - to a level a little beyond anything I've seen elewhere in the 23 countries I've travelled too. Not drastically more prevalent in Brazil in other countries, but you can tell the difference. You can find examples of the concept anywhere, but its IMHO its a bit more common here to the extent that its expected.

What jeitinho to me means is: Wiggle room in the culture on a case-by-case basis for everyday situations. If you complain or are persistent, you have a chance of getting your way. In the USA, you have a good chance they'll just call security in the same situation. Jeitinho does not typically apply to serious situations.

I've never seen jeitinho be an exchange for money - that would be an extreme exception, not the rule.

Much is made about corruption in Brazil. Corruption in Brazil and jeitinho are _not_ the same thing.

And lets be honest: USA House representative Randy "Duke" Cunningham is serving a jail term for accepting bribes. Can anyone name a Brazilian politician serving time for corruption? There might be - that's why I'm asking. But I really doubt it.

Just to be clear, however - no one in Brazil would associate a corruption scandal such as mensalão with jeitinho. they are a breed apart.

"Can anyone name a Brazilian politician serving time for corruption?"

No, there isnt. The ex-mayor of sao paulo, maluf, was in jail for one month, and he stold over 400 million dollars, lol.

Brazilians know about the jeitinho brasileiro, from the baker and the cleaning lady to the highest legal power of Brasil, such as the minister of Justice, Marcio Tomas Bastos, which secretly helped to construct a false version for the law breaking disclosure of the Palocci Economy Minister’s housekeeper which turned his corrupt political gatherings in. Realmente jeitinho is a mix of improvisation until the lighter bending of the laws, not even perceived as corruption.

Brazil is an underdeveloped country, it’s in-fact modernity, spread industrialization and urban life style only was experienced by the vast majority of the population in the 1950’s while artists and intellectuals strived to spread its ideals since 1920’s. Late Brazilian modernity that is technologically dependent because of the antique competition among world’s leading countries. Anyways, slowly and almost stopping, Brazilian society is modernizing, although it’s industry is as dependent as ever, and the lost people have been experienced have, for more or for less, some effect on people’s awareness and tightening of the moral codes. Also people can see themselves more frequently on the national cinema, traveling more and know who they want or not to be.

Although we live a postmodern life, people are very affected by the modernism that brought the societies the way they live. Evolution after that goes on but, even to the most educated, it is more a rethorical existence than anything else. Man turned to a cold, full of preconceived concepts machine, and it still is! Which society does not carry the (harm) effects of modernism? Poor quality education, individual's manipulation, etc. Being modern is that abolishing completely the past, embracing totally the speed, strenght, violence, superation of the time, despise for the others, the right here and right now. Materialism is a whole blindly spread phylosophy/ideology to deny it, such as its derivatives like narcicism, pleasure only man's goal. SO what is the problem? The fact that some are bananas republics and others are democratic ones? If that is the problem there's no problem anymore. you are the developed ones, but continue to be the best, and be in fact the best instead of boasting about your superiority. The problem is when the weaker becomes the projection of the worst the human caracter can have for those who don't possess any human caracteristic tehmselves, just the perfection of the machine. Am I not sounding angry or jealous enough to you developed sophisticated, people? Like the other said jeaously is a bitch.

The author, A. Zimmermann, probally was foolished by a brasilizan. I think he lost some money or agreed in something that, after consider carefully, was not good as it sounds.

The above behaviour is very common in foreigns whose really belive that "in a half hour, max" means something will happen before 30min. Actually, the anger is nothing more than frustation with his own person. But realize that is very hard for any one, so directs his frustration to other person/country.

Any researcher knows that it is not right (even moral) assume that all brazillians have the same behaviour unless he know all brazilians. That is, at least, a proof of foolishness.

Another Brazilian.

Okay, the behaviour is common in every person, not only the foreigns.

Some Brazilians confuse "jeitinho" with "malandragem".

For those smart foreigners who speak Portuguese:

Jeito:

Brasil,
boas maneiras.

ao - de: à maneira de;

com -: com cuidado; com perfeição;

estar a -: estar em posição favorável, conveniente;

fazer -: convir;

fazer um -: beneficiar; favorecer;

sem -: acanhado; embaraçado.

Source: http://www.priberam.pt/dlpo/de...tados.aspx

Jeitinho
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Ir para: navegação, pesquisa
Jeitinho é uma forma de navegação social tipicamente brasileira, onde o indivíduo utiliza-se de recursos emocionais – apelo e chantagem emocional, laços emocionais e familiares, etc. – para obter favores para si ou para outrem. Não deve ser confundido com suborno ou corrupção.

Malandragem
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Malandragem define-se como um conjunto de artimanhas utilizadas para se obter vantagem em determinada situação (vantagens estas muitas vezes ilícitas). Caracteriza-se pela engenhosidade e sutileza. Sua execução exige destreza, carisma, lábia e quaisquer características que permitam a manipulação de pessoas ou resultados, de forma a obter o melhor destes, e da maneira mais fácil possível. Contradiz a argumentação lógica, o labor e a honestidade, pois a malandragem pressupõe que tais métodos são incapazes de gerar bons resultados. Aquele que pratica a malandragem (o "malandro") age como no popular adágio brasileiro, imortalizado pelo nome de Lei do Gerson: "tenho de levar vantagem em tudo".

Got it?

yeah, we got the wikipedia definition....reality is something a little different!

favor é benefício portanto alguns recebem e outros não. O que faz vc receber um tratamento melhor que outros a não ser que vc pague por ele? democracia não significa mto na cultura brasileira. é o home cordial de Sérgio Buarque de Holanda, é só ver lá. O camelô usa a rua como se fosse propriedade pessoal, bares,restaurantes as pessoas sujam as ruas da mesma maneira, sem pensar que em ninguém mais.é esse favor/artimanha que faz o brasileiro só procurar o dep**ado/senador para pedir algo nunca para cobrar coerência ou uma posição na s votaçoes do Congresso.
Got it?

Favor is a benefit, so some receive it and others don't. What make you receive a better treatmente unless you have paid for it? Democracy is avacalhado a mess has not value in Brazil.It is the sociological portuguese expression 'homem cordial' given by Sérgio Buarque de Holanda, you just have to read it to see the average brazilian.The camelo, street salesmen, bars, drivers do whatever they want because there's impunity: they use the street as it was their own, trade it, mess it the way they want without thinking in anybody else. Is this jeitinho that makes brasileiros look for politicians, senators, deputies to ask for a 'favor', never to demand good sense or transparency from them.

To complete the above post I live in Brasil and want it to develop always.

Re: Now we are talking...

Also Re: "Great comments guys. Meaningful communicaton without "name calling" what a concept. :-)"

And Re: etc., etc.

s**t c**k f**k suck duck buck luck vagina!
The people who wrote these types of comments are PUSSIES!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

It's clear that Brazilians execute Jeito all of the time to better their respective situations. The same thing happens globally, it just so happen that this article pointed out a cute little Brazilian expression for this. Whoo-hoo.

get something on your mind bettter than what you have to say. Your mouth is a toilet unflushed!!!nauseating. Nothing here is for you be quite sure of it.

it's a pitty.

"get something on your mind bettter than what you have to say. Your mouth is a toilet unflushed!!!nauseating. Nothing here is for you be quite sure of it."

Thank you!

(BTW - I'm not from Amwrica. Dumbass!)

8==================D~

quote

Re: Now we are talking...

Also Re: "Great comments guys. Meaningful communicaton without "name calling" what a concept. :-)"

And Re: etc., etc.

s**t c**k f**k suck duck buck luck vagina!
The people who wrote these types of comments are PUSSIES!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

It's clear that Brazilians execute Jeito all of the time to better their respective situations. The same thing happens globally, it just so happen that this article pointed out a cute little Brazilian expression for this. Whoo-hoo.

get something on your mind bettter than what you have to say. Your mouth is a toilet unflushed!!!nauseating. Nothing here is for you be quite sure of it.
It seems you are a disgrace to brazil an

How do you pronounce jeito and jeitinho in Brazilian Portuguese? Do you not pronounce the O at the end of the words?

Yes, you pronounce all the letters.

In Brazilian Portuguese you always pronounce a word with a vowel at the end. that's why English is so difficult to Brazilian and spanish-speaking people

In Brazilian Portuguese you always pronounce a word with a vowel at the end. that's why English is so difficult to Brazilian and spanish-speaking people

After thirty years of being in and out of Brazil, I notice this:

Brazilians are great people in general, however the system is screwed up!

It is hard to run an honest business because of all the taxes and controls.

It is difficult for the poor to move up in life because of the educational system.

Jeitinho is just a way for people to get around adsurd laws but as a result good laws are also broken.

I do notice that finally corrupt politicians are being denounced

In Brazilian Portuguese you always pronounce a word with a vowel at the end. that's why English is so difficult to Brazilian and spanish-speaking people

LIE ON LIE!

"I do notice that finally corrupt politicians are being denounced"

Yes, they are being denounced, but that's about it. They're still getting off scott-free and in many instances not even being pursued.

And with a lot more money in their pockets.

Jetinho Brasileiro does not exist

What you have is the “jeitinho Mediterranean”


Brazil is full of people from this area-Mediterranean

A lot of this bad habits came with the people that populate Brazil.

You have to remember that Portugal, Spain, Italy and middle east countries runs in jeitinho


Very funny website talks about that idea


http://bacaninha.cidadeinternet.com.br/home/index.php


look for animacao flash

EUROPA X ITALIA


Very funny

go there

and of course that exsplains the criminal illegal brasilians in the usa and their propensity to fraud.

and of course that exsplains the criminal illegal brasilians in the usa and their propensity to fraud.

" I was provided with additional input that was radically different from the truth. I assisted in furthering that version"
Colonel Oliver North, from Iran-Contra testimony.

- Does this explain what is going on in America nowadays?

Let´s say you want to get hold of another country´s fabulous petroleum deposits.
You don´t have a plausible reason to, but ...
How about "dar um jeitinho?"
OK. Tell everybody they have 3 very very dangerous nukes
ready to bust America.Lie and lie and lie.
Now you got a jeitinho.

Now, all you got to do is make war, right?.

...that explains the criminal illegal (a)mericans and their propensity to fraud.
And , worst, a thirst for killing
innocents (even their own young people)

" THE ETHIC PANEL STIRS
But will it take on the hard cases?
Tuesday. May 23, 2006; page A 16 - The Washington Post.

It´s a sign of the paralysis yhat has plagued the House ethics committee for the past 16 months that the committee´s decision -- finally -- to launch three investigations was front-page news. In fact, the probes announced Wednesday represent etgics nobrainers: Two concern House members -- Ohio Republican Robert W. Ney and Louisiana Democrat William J.Jefferson -- who are target of criminal bribery probes, and could well be gone from office before the ethics panel wraps up its work. The third involves ethical clouds stirred up by the activities of former representative Randy "Duke" Cunningham (R-Calif.), now serving eight years for taking $2.4 million in bribes., etc., etc,
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THE PÓLITICS OF SCIENCE
Thursday, February 9, 2006; page A22
The Washington Post

It is a rare thing for the biography of a 24-year-old NASA spokesman to attract the attention of the national media. But that is what happened this week when George C. Deutsch tendered his resignation. Mr. Deutsch had, it emerged, lied about his (nonexistent) undergraduate degree from Texas A&M University. Far more important, several New York Times articles over past week or so have exposed Mr Deutsch as one of several White House-appointed public affairs officers at the agency who tried to prevent senior NASA career scientists from speaking and writing freely, especially when stheir views on the realities of climate change differed from those of the White House.
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INSURER FOUGHT WOMEN OVER PAYOUT
May 24,2006
L.A. Times

Six years before a pair of women were charged with fraudulently collecting life insurance on two homeless men. Women may have intentionally and feloniously caused the death of one of the men.
Monumental Life Insurance Co. made the assertion in 2000 when battling Olga Rutterschmidt, now 73, and Helen G... claims totalling
$188,250 in the death of Paul Vados. Authorities believe that in all, the women purchased at least 19 life insurance policies on the two transients .
In McDavid´s case ( the second man) , the courst documents say, Golay approached him at church and offered to get him off the streets... $ 500,000 life insurance policy.
Acxcording to documentos filed by federal prosecutors, the women paid the rent on apartments for Vados and McDavid for two years, the period which an insurer can contest information provide on the application , etc. etc.,

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A JUDGE CONCEALS HIS MISTAKE
Seattle Times - 24/5/2006

Richard Bathum became a King County judge in July 2000. Five months later, he was sued for legal malpractice. Bathum, by his own admission, had screwed up one of his last cases as a lawyer.
The lawsuit accused Bathum of being " gravely and seriously negligent ". For a judge, such language could be embarrassing, aprticularly come election time. But Bathum found a way to keep the public from reading it.
He got the file sealed. It was easy to do., etc. etc.

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VISIONS OF REPRESSED ABUSE
Seattle Times - 24/5/2006

Luther Frerichs, an Enumclaw doctor, is a defendant in three medical-malpractice lawsuits that have been sealed. Last week Judge Eadie opened this one:

In 1997, a woman sued Frerichs and John Laughlin , a physician assistant who was conducting psychotherapy on patients. Frerichs supervised Laughlin ant the Enumclaw Medical Center and had sponsored him when he became a physician assistant, court records say.
The woman said she want to Laughlin for "feelings of fatigue". He diagnosed her as the victim of multiple-personality disorder and repressed childhood sexual abuse -- neither of which was true, she said. She accused Laughlin of malpractice and Frerichs of negligent supervision.
The parties settled and, in 1999, got the lawsuit sealed after Frerichs´attorney claimed there was "no legitimate public interest" in the case. But there was a public interest -- and it was plenty legitimate. Other women had also accused Laughlin of malpractice, saying the induced false memories of sexual abuse and involvement in a satanic cult. One woman claimed Laughlin had offered to perform an exorcism because " evil had been programmed into her", state records show., etc., etc.
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COAHC VIOLATED RULES.

The Chief Sealth High School girls basketball team is a juggernaut: Reigning state champions. Undefeated this year at 22-0, annihilating opponents by scores as lopsided as 87-3. Nationally ranked by USA Today and Sports Illustrated.
How does this otherwise-undistinguished West Seattle public school do it?
It breaks the rules.
Not the girls on the floor, who are a remarkable collection of basketball talent, but their coaches, who brought them together.
A Seattle Times investigation has found that head coach Ray Willis and his assistants, Amos Walters and Laura Fuller, have recruited players for more than three years, violating numerous amateur athletic rules. Six of those players helped the Seahawks win a state championship last year, and three still play for this season´s team, which is competing in district playoffs Thursday and is favored to win the state title again next month.
... Parents say the Chief Sealth coaches found their daughters by scouting gyms around the region, then enticed them with talk of starting positions and college scholarships. In four cases, parents say the coaches provided bogus lease agreements and offered addresses in West Seattle so the girls could establish residency in the Seattle School District without mopving from the suburbs., etc. etc.

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U.S. PLAN TO LURE NURSES MAY HURT POOR NATIONS
New York Times - 2006/05/24
As the United States runs short of nurses, senators are looking abroad. A little noticed provision in their immigration bill would throw open the gate for nurses and, some fear, drain them from world´s developing countries.
The legislation is expected to pass this week, and the Senate provision, which removes the limit on the number of nurses who can immigrate, has been largely overlooked in the emotional debate over illegal immigration.
Senator Sam Brownback, Republican of Kansas, who sponsored the proposal, said it was needed to help the United States cope with a growing nursing shortage.
He said he doubted the measure would greatly increase the small number of African nusrses coming to the United States, but acknowledged that it could have an impacft on the Phillipines and India, which are already sending thousands of nurses to the United States.
The exodus of nurses from poor to rich countries has strained health systems in the developing world., etc. etc.

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VAST DATA CACHE ABOUT VETERANS IS STOLEN
New York Times -0 2006/05/23

Washington, May 22 - Personal electronic information on up to 26.5 million (wow) military veterans, including their Social Security numbers and birth dates, was stolen from the residence of a Department of Veterans Affairs employee who had taken the data home without authorization, the Agency said Monday. , etc., etc.

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LAWYER SAYS SHIP CAPTAIN ARRESTED, FIRED OVER DRINKING WAS OFF DUTY.
Seattle Times - 24/5/2006

A celebrity Cruises ship captain arrested Friday after Seattle police determined his blood-alcohol content to be more than four times the federal maritime limit wasn´t on duty when the Coast Gurad confronted him, his lawyer said.
Cruise-ship Capt. Periklis Petridis was setting in for a nightcap and a nap before leading the voyage from Seattle to Alaska when a Coast Guard investigator entered his room., etc. etc.

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Sorry, I can´t go on. I know you all are so interested on these fine news, but I have to stop. No more time left.
The U.S. has lots of newspapers and it would be a little tiresome
reading them all.
I hope these few clippings are enough .
FALA SÉRIO .....!!!!!

... to think that historian Robert Levine frivoled when he linked the Brazilian " jeito / jeitinho " just to bending rules.Historian Joseph A. Page did not grasp the whole meaning of the word / idiomatic expression as welll if he refers to exclusively " prevent someone from doing something ".On the other side, there may be some improvising or not.
Fernanda Duarte must be Brazilian and seems better entitled to explain the real meaning.

Braziians are proud of jeito / jeitinho, because it inherently matches some positive qualities such as: cleverness, intelligence, flexibility, etc.

" Dar um jeito / Dar um jeitinho " has a neutral significance and DOES NOT have anything to do with irregular, abnormal or lawless practice or act.
The idiom actually and solely means TO ACT IN A SPECIAL WAY IN ORDER TO GET SOMETHING DONE. That is all there is.

Taking pride for being clever, intelligent, cunning, etc. may be very attractive .
Brazilians learn it since they start uttering the first words in babyhood. I sincerely fail to see anything wrong about this cultural aspect.

... everywhere.All countries,
ALL COUNTRIES, ALL COUNTRIES, are plagued by it.
The only difference is that outside Brazil they don´t know this word/ idiom, but the guiles... they surely do.
However, " jeito " can be employed in a context where corruption is involved.
The funny thing is that its less respectable use made it famous abroad.

neutral, simple, almost naive examples of "Dar um jeito / Dar um jeitinho " :

Vou dar um jeito de acabar logo com isto.
= I will finish this immediately.


Dê um jeito nisso.
= Repair this thing here.
= Do something about it.
= Clean up the mess

Ele tem jeito p / tocar piano
=He has a knack for playing the
piano

Isto não tem jeito
= It can´t be fixed
= This is a lost cause

Não gosto do jeito dela
= I don´t like her ways

Demos um jeito no carro
= We ( have ) fixed the car


Dê um jeito do menino aprender a lição
= Have the boy to learn the lesson

Dê um jeito de ele gostar de mim
= Do something so that he gets to like me

Ele deu um jeito no pé
=He strained his foot

That´s not all. I could go on and give more examples, but it is not necessary, I presume.

So, now please, review your notes and take this word out of the mud you put it in.

May I give you a homework?
Check out about corruption in your own country and write a fine composition for next class.
Be nice, be fair. Look at your own miseries.

DISHONEST PEOPLE EMPLOY JEITINHO.

ALL BRAZILIANS EMPLOY JEITINHO.

THEREFORE, ALL BRAZILIANS ARE DISHONEST PEOPLE.

Get? Is that correct?

How about the next?

ALL TERRORISTS LIVE IN LONDON

ALL BRITISH GRANNIES LIVE IN LONDON.

THEREFORE, ALL BRITISH GRANNIES ARE TERRORISTS..

Haha. Beware of words.

A couple, age 67, went to the doctor´s office.
The doctor asked, "What can I do for you?"
The man said, "Will you watch us have sexual intercourse?"
The doctor looked puzzled but agreed. When the couple had finished, the doctor said, "There is nothing wrong with the way you have intercourse," and he charged them $32,00 for the office visit.
This happened several weeks in a row. The couple would make an appointment, have intercourse, pay the doctor and leave.
Finally, the doctor asked , "Just exactly what are you trying to find out?".
The old man replied, "We´re not trying to find out anything. She is married and we can´t go to her house. I am married so we can´t go to my house. The Holiday Inn charges $60.00 .
The Hilton charges $98.00 , we do it here for $32.00, and I get back $28.00 from Medicare for a visit to the doctor´s office".

See it? This is a good example of jeitinho. Besides, it is funny
and so eu dei um jeitinho de me divertir.

A couple, age 67, went to the doctor´s office.
The doctor asked, "What can I do for you?"
The man said, "Will you watch us have sexual intercourse?"
The doctor looked puzzled but agreed. When the couple had finished, the doctor said, "There is nothing wrong with the way you have intercourse," and he charged them $32,00 for the office visit.
This happened several weeks in a row. The couple would make an appointment, have intercourse, pay the doctor and leave.
Finally, the doctor asked , "Just exactly what are you trying to find out?".
The old man replied, "We´re not trying to find out anything. She is married and we can´t go to her house. I am married so we can´t go to my house. The Holiday Inn charges $60.00 .
The Hilton charges $98.00 , we do it here for $32.00, and I get back $28.00 from Medicare for a visit to the doctor´s office".

See it? This is a good example of jeitinho. Besides, it is funny
and so eu dei um jeitinho de me divertir.

A couple, age 67, went to the doctor´s office.
The doctor asked, "What can I do for you?"
The man said, "Will you watch us have sexual intercourse?"
The doctor looked puzzled but agreed. When the couple had finished, the doctor said, "There is nothing wrong with the way you have intercourse," and he charged them $32,00 for the office visit.
This happened several weeks in a row. The couple would make an appointment, have intercourse, pay the doctor and leave.
Finally, the doctor asked , "Just exactly what are you trying to find out?".
The old man replied, "We´re not trying to find out anything. She is married and we can´t go to her house. I am married so we can´t go to my house. The Holiday Inn charges $60.00 .
The Hilton charges $98.00 , we do it here for $32.00, and I get back $28.00 from Medicare for a visit to the doctor´s office".

See it? This is a good example of jeitinho. Besides, it is funny
and so eu dei um jeitinho de me divertir.

Just like " saudade" .But you can only find these two words in "Portuguese".

What´s your name, again???

quote:

"Just like " saudade" .But you can only find these two words in "Portuguese".


You brasilians need to learn something, I've heard this from so many, and obviously it's because of your ignorance of the english language.

BUT, the word "MISS" in english means saudade! It also means senhorita or moça, as in Miss Smith, it also means rainha, as in Miss U.S.A. or Miss Brasil, it also means errar or não acertar, as in, I missed the target, and it also means sentir falta or ter saudades, as in, I miss my family.

Estou morrendo de saudade = I really miss you!

Don't know how many brazilians I've met that say the english language doesn't have a word for saudade, it's because they more than likely only know one or two definitions of the word "miss".

Saudade is A NOUN.
To miss is a VERB and To miss someone is an idiomatic EXPRESSION.
In fact the English language does not have a noun meaning "saudade". I don´t know whether another language ( they are so many) has a word similar to "saudade".
We, Brazilians, do learn about "miss" and its several meanings. I know many Brazilians who know the diverse meanings of "to miss". . But, of course, there may be some others who don´t.

"When someone steps to the point of paying money to corrupted officials then the “jeitinho” is replaced with crime."

Ah, you must mean "agilizar."

Yow why dont you keep your mouth shUT Up, and give yourself a kind of break, you sound making yourself linguistic profissional, I think DUke or harvard will be more than happy to have conversation with you due to your expertness.. anyway REfresh yourself and I know You so cheap, its a bit hard for you to buy sturbucks, why dont you go ask a ride for your friend and Buy Cheap Dinkin donuts coffee..
Anyway All HOLLA stay Safe...
MUDA

Americans drink dunkin donuts coffee with extreme caution since 2 illegal alien brazilians were arrested and deported for spitting and pissing in the coffee while they worked there.........IT SEEMS THEY SERVED IT TO A POLICE OFFICER!!!!!!!......ANOTHER CASE OF ILLEGALS TAKING A JOB AMERICANS WON,T DO!!!!!!!!!

Interstate commerce is free in the US, there is nothing illegal about living in one state and buying groceries in another.