Brazzil

Brazil remains a medieval country with archaïc laws.
As to the more recent laws they are anyway not applied, just written in the constitution !

talking to the poors and working for the riches !

Brazil has a lot of medieval structures. An example of this are the guilds that still exist today: the guild of the lawyers (OAB), the guild of the engineers (CREA), the guild of the physicians (CFM), and so on.

While in the external politics, Brazil is a little bit more advanced. The practices are merchantilistc ones, a là Colbert. Brazil tries to increase the exports to the maximum and keep imports to the minimum, by directing all internal efforts to exports and creating convoluted rules for internal business, in order to discourage internal production and make external markets more attractive.

The problem is that people here believe those outdate things are good for the country, so there is room for everything, and populism grows strong.

I hope that he continues his hunger strike until he vanishes. I hope many of the Brazilian politicians will decide to join Garotinho and vanish as well.

Then I propose that we should establish a Holiday to remember the day they vanished. In that day, we shall sing and dance.

Brazil is quickly turning into America lite and nothing in its future suggests that is going to change. The collective consumption patterns are right in line with a shallow, materialistic society like the US and this coupled with "forced ignorance", i.e. keeping Brazilians fat, relatively happy with their Blackberries and Plasma TV's and illiterate/ woefully misinformed will go a long way towards keeping the country in the hands of the ruling elite.

Every government's purpose is to ensure domestic tranquility while guaranteeing the property rights and continued overlordship of the wealthiest Brazilians, Americans, Brits, etc. The trick is giving the impression that you are doing all you can for the middle and lower classes but not actually ceding anything meaningful that could possibly threaten the "gentried class". The same rights the government affords you may seem great, and indeed they are necessary, but at the highest levels somebody or some corporation is benefitting ten-fold and on a much larger scale with those same rights granted the "little guy".

There is where Populism comes into play. It plays on all the basest, most simplistic tendencies like nationalism (an US against THEM mentality), fear, hatred and xenophobia. Sending an astronaut into space was truly a banner day for Brazil but failing to make mention of the Russian craft and mostly American spacestation is a great example of how Lula took the spotlight off of cooperation and focused it instead on the hard work and ingenuity of the Brazilian people. All that may be true but it just reinforces the idea that we are all islands unto ourselves. Chavez, Lula, Morales and Kirchner are appealing on a very basic level but once you get past the rhetoric you realize they are not immune to what the author mentions: Self-Serving Hobbesianism. Morales was well within his right to nationalize Bolivian gasfields but in the end everyone will suffer for his "grand victory of the Proletariat over the rich" because it will stifle investment and raise prices for you in Brazil. Somewhere there is a happy medium but unfortunately the US and Latin America missed it. Robber Baron Capitalism is a failure but so is momentarily empowering populism like the kind we are witnessing in Bolivia.

Why are you talking about collective consumption here? Are you a brazilian or have been to Brazil? The government does everything so that brazilians don't consume, no way this country is an America lite. Those plasma TVs you cited are only for the riches. People here earn very little money and those devices cost up to 4 times the price in America. Brazilians become very happy if they can buy a 29 inches CRT TV, non-HDTV ready, and if they can keep their 10-year old Corsa or Palio. Forget about America lite.

Why are you talking about collective consumption here? Are you a brazilian or have been to Brazil? The government does everything so that brazilians don't consume, no way this country is an America lite. Those plasma TVs you cited are only for the riches. People here earn very little money and those devices cost up to 4 times the price in America. Brazilians become very happy if they can buy a 29 inches CRT TV, non-HDTV ready, and if they can keep their 10-year old Corsa or Palio. Forget about America lite.

Judging by your statement I can only assume you are one of the very poor in Brazil. The Brazilian government does everything to control INFLATION. Why does Brazil always have such problems with inflation - super consumption. I'm clearly not communicating with someone who has a firm grasp of economic principles - even the most basic ones like "too much money chasing too few goods". Ring a bell? Why would it be that Brazil has too few goods? Because obviously more people are buying them than you think creating a shortage and sparking inflation. Does Philips send all those plasma TV's to Rio and Sao Paulo for the fun of it or do they believe there is a market? I guess you know better than their Brazilian market research teams though. I can show you poor Mexican immigrants who live in a cardboard box who drive $30K Chevy trucks as well so your argument doesn't fly - not that you actually made a valid argument.

Ever been to New York City Shopping on any day of the week? You want to tell me that Brazilians aren't consumers *coffee-squirting out my nose, laughing fits*
sorry, just thought that was funny. Brazilians are some of the most image conscious people in the world who can only buy brand name. I know many Brazilians who have Plasmas in their homes and drive C3's or BMW's so shut the F up.

When I see a 14 year-old girls from the favela sporting $250-300 Bluetooth wirless headsets - yeah I think Brazil is becoming America lite. I see poor kids riding the buses with $400 phones on their waist - yeah I think you're America lite. The question is: Have you ever been to Brazil? Now back to your coloring books mmmkkk.

just a small opinion from Rio, Brazil would like to be america lite, but it isnt close...just because a few fav kids sport expensive items (that cost 4 times more than in the us) this does not mean they are anywhere close to america and the consumption patterns there.....maybe they want to arrive there....but I dont think the govt wants them to arrive there. this is all about the landed gentry and their medieval export economy!

Hey, stupid moron. It's you who probably learnt some basic economic principles and didn't stop to think about them. Let me teach you boy, before you say bulls**t to anyone who can identify you and laugh at your face. Read some books from Milton Friedman.

Inflation is caused basically by the excess of money in face of shortage of other products (money is itself a product too and is subject to supply/demand variations). In a normal market, it's hard that all the prices go up all at once. You may have a drought that forces prices of food up, or a shortage in the supply of oil (they way is happening now) for instance. If the velocity by which people exchange money remains stable, the same as to the ammount of money available, you get inflation. On the other hand, there can be a surplus of products in the market, and that'll make prices drop (the latter usually happens in electronics industry). In short, the variations that count here are the ammount of money available, velocity of exchange and ammount of products available in the market.

Now, let's examine the brazilian case. We have one entity whose name is federal government that can produce money. They are the guys who control the ammount of money available in the market. It remains that this government spends more money than its receipt in taxes, then it's forced to print money, and that led to the huge inflation in Brazil during the 1980s. Now, the government does a slightly different. Instead of printing more money, the government gets money borrowed. This makes some of the investments of private individuals and companies to be directed to the hands of the government, which can then spend this money without causing inflation because others are not spending. Of course, this money if borrowed and must pay off a certain interest rate some time later. When the payoff dates arrive, the government again has three options to pay the debts: print money, raise taxes or get even more money borrowed. This, of course, leads to a vicious circle, which will always lead to a recession with inflation pressure scenario and low growth. That does not happen only in Brazil. It happens in the US, though to a lesser degree. Nonetheless, brazilian government are not great producers of goods and service for the people, anywhere in the world (specially in Brazil).

Well, let's see what happens in Brazil. The government printed money by the 1980s. Then came "Plano Real" and the means to finance the government shifted to raising taxes and borrowing money. In the first case, we had hyperinflation. In the second, an enormous recession like the one we are facing, with severe restrictions to consumption. Of course, there is always an inflationary pressure because the government is always tempted to print more money.

Then we fall to the problem we have above. Before telling someone to shut the f**k up, you better be sure of what you are saying. The fact that spoiled kids consume expensive products in New York and mexicans drive US$ 30k cars there doesn't mean anything. Most human beings want to consume the more they can, that's an economics rule. But saying that brazilians are consuming too much and hence there is inflation is just plain bulls**t. Most brazilians have used cars, few are able to buy new cars. The most sold TV sets in Brazil are the 20 inches CRT and 29 inches CRT are a dream for many brazilians. As to your plasma TVs, I bet that more of those TVs are sold in the city of Miami a month than the ammount that is sold in Brazil a year.

Most brazilians are struggling to survive and keep their consumption levels, that are low by every international standards, because the government is always getting money out of the market to finance itself. And then comes a spoiled little rich bastard to say brazilians consume too much. C'mon!

... nonetheless, are you sure the boys and girls from favela really paid US$ 300 for bluetooth wirelless sets or US$ 400 for the phones, which are not common anywhere here by the way. Are you sure they weren't stolen from someone else and sold inside the favela? Man, if you really live in Brazil, you are lost, looks like you don't even know the basics of the country where you are in.

correction...
brazilian government are not great producers of goods and service for the people, anywhere in the world (specially in Brazil).

must be like this: governments are not great producers of goods and service for the people, anywhere in the world (specially in Brazil).

SO I should read
Milton Friedman as he has the inside track on inflation in Chile, er Brazil right?? Hey stupid moron zzzzzzzz - oh sorry just got a little sleepy after reading your hysterical diatribe. That was some seriously boring and confused writing there Joao . . . YAWN!

"Bloomberg (Jeb Blount): "Brazil's inflation rate surged to a 15-month high in July as rising demand for machinery, steel and other goods led manufacturers that are running near full capacity to boost prices."


Gee sounds like too much money chasing too few goods to me. Hey kiddo, go read more Friedman ok. Inflation is inflation anywhere and is a result of the same market principles and forces. Now go back, cite another economist, try harder and write another 3-page dissertation ok slugger. ZZZZZZZ
I'll be back around 11 O'clock to use it as a sleep aid.

Hey moron! You are even more stupid than I thought. Did I say that increases on demand do not rise prices? NO. Did I say that shortfalls in production of goods do not rise prices? NO WAY. You better read carefully kid.

Those high prices now are caused by limitations on supply side and sudden increases on demand. They are normal in every market in the world. Those high prices mean unmet needs, and by leading to high profits, they encourage other players to come into market and produce the same goods, as well as the old players increasing their production. If you take a look at historical data on the prices of those commodities, you will see that they tend to fluctuate overtime and they have periods of rising prices and periods of falling prices.

The problem happens when the government comes into play to "solve" those problems. History shows us that governments love to put barriers against commodities production increases which lead to permanently rising prices. Another thing is that governments love to spend more than they can afford, running into deficits. Both are practiced by US and brazilian government, in different degrees. The first is usually more practiced by the US government and the latter is more practiced by brazilian government. Both cause inflation.

Anyway, you still missed the point completely. Saying that Brazil has a huge market for plasma TVs and that puts pressure on inflation is just nonsense. The fact that some boys and girls from favela (they are just some really) are wearing expensive gadgets means nothing. Those things were probably stolen from a middle class boy or girl, and are usually sold by the thefts inside the favelas for a fraction of the price. Saying that mexicans drive US$ 30k cars in the US and brazilian riches buy expensive products in New York means nothing too. By the way, those US$ 30k cars in the US are likely to cost US$ 90k in Brazil and are only affordable by the very rich people.

Go learn a little bit more of economics. If you are an economist, I feel sorry for you. You are very badly trained. Your model does not explain why brazilians consume so little high tech products and commodities as well and still have inflation.

Estou cansado de politicos safados no Brasil... E hora de punir estas vergonhas nacionais com prisao perpetua!

keol

This fat feck needs to lose some weight anyway so he´s only doing himself a favour! Most people just call this the Atkins Diet!
I just hope that the masses aren´t fooled by the grainy photos of this bloater, pretending to look all weak and sick "for the cause". He´ll have to do more than not shaving to convince us he´s serious. Let me know when he look like he´s just crawled out of Auchswitz then he´ll have more credibility. In the meantime, get ready for him to quit this farce "as a result of the distress placed upon his family, sob, sob and so much kind, loving support from his constituents and beloved colleagues....".
Pathetic.

s**t, bet anyone 1000 dollars he's sneaking some mid-night feijoada. He's a joke, now that he's been shown to participate in corruption, like this is a big shock here in brazil for a governor of a state to participate in corruption, he's going to starve himself, lol. Isn't that the reaction of many little kids when they don't get their way?

Another wannabe paper hero...the Garotinho show is just a farce! Won´t be long now before he submits to popular demand and quits this blatent display of self propaganda.
This whole situation is just so Brazilian ......full of good intent & promises but in reality it´s a shameful distraction and a totally pointless exercise.
If he´s really guilty of a crime, lock the s**tbag up. If not leave him alone, he´ll probably implode anyway.

Hey STUPID MORON:

"Cheap Dollar Makes Electronics Imports Grow 36% in Brazil"

Yeah you Brazilians aren't consuming more or anything . . .

Hey STUPID IDIOT:

Brazilians are consuming more of that just because the prices are lower, as the headlines suggest. Still, consumption is much lower than any international standards. Now, brazilians are causing inflation because they are consuming electronics that are cheaper than in previous moments? LOL, what an idiot! You better change your glasses, those of inflation caused by excess of consumption are stopping you from seeing the reality.

Now, brazilians are causing inflation because they are consuming electronics that are cheaper than in previous moments?

They are still consuming more of them you f**king retard!! God you are one of the dumbest humans on the face of the earth and represent the kind of economic thinking that has Brazil where it's at. Whether they are cheap or not they are still consuming more and causing inflation. Just because they are cheaper by virtue of the exchange rate doesn't mean they aren't causing inflation. You are a f**king moron!!

Hey a*****e! Compare those s**tty electronics to the ones found in Europe and US. Man, do you ever think?

Hey a*****e - you have Sony, Samsung, Philips, etc. All the same ones in Europe or the US. Obviously you are the one who doesn't think s**thead!! I'm obviously conversing with someone who has the purchasing power of a window washer who probably goes barefoot . . . BTW - have you ever been to Europe or the US? Didn't think so!

Idiot- I've been to the US and Europe, and their electronic are much more sophisticated and higher priced! THeir electronics are at least three years ahead of all of Brazil's! Get f**k'd!

"Hey a*****e - you have Sony, Samsung, Philips"

"Idiot- I've been to the US and Europe, and their electronic are much more sophisticated and higher priced! THeir electronics are at least three years ahead of all of Brazil's! Get f**k'd!"

To the first dumbass: s**thead, you don't get it eh? Are you going to say here is the same because we have the same brands of cars? Look, s**tface, Toyota Corolla, Honda Civic and Peugeot 206 are luxury cars here, for only a small parcel of the population who have high earnings, and basic transportation over in the US and Europe! Many of our cars don't even exist in the US, because they are too crappy for normal consumers. The same for electronics. While the most sold models of TV are the 42" plasma ones in the US, in Brazil people are buying 29" old CRT TVs without HDTV for the price of a 32" LCD HDTV in US or Germany, model only for the riches in Brazil. Man, travel the world, what you say in plain nonsense. You are an idiot, get a life sucker!

Nonetheless, you started by saying that brazilians were causing inflation because they consume too much. Then you gave examples of consumption in commodities (most of which are simply exported) and then electronics. Later on, you said that you were not saying that high consumption in electronics cheaper because of exchange rate were causing inflation. You sure have some sort of mental consfusion here son.

"To the first dumbass: s**thead, you don't get it eh? Are you going to say here is the same because we have the same brands of cars? Look, s**tface, Toyota Corolla, Honda Civic and Peugeot 206 are luxury cars here, for only a small parcel of the population who have high earnings, and basic transportation over in the US and Europe! Many of our cars don't even exist in the US, because they are too crappy for normal consumers. The same for electronics. While the most sold models of TV are the 42" plasma ones in the US, in Brazil people are buying 29" old CRT TVs without HDTV for the price of a 32" LCD HDTV in US or Germany, model only for the riches in Brazil. Man, travel the world, what you say in plain nonsense. You are an idiot, get a life sucker!"

What I say makes more sense than anything you say bitch! Have you ever even been to Brazil? Average citizens drive normal cars like Ford Ka's and Honda Civics on a regular basis! Luxury cars like Mercedes exist too, especially in the South! By the way, I spoke about different methods of inflation because they are dirctly correlated you dumb f**ker! Brazilians consume WAY TOO MUCH and thus infaltion! Then the real strengthens against the dollar which causes the unfavorable exchange rate for exporters! Get a f**kin brain!

Not only I have been to Brazil, as I have lived here for all my life moron. You should leave the country, both by taking an airplane or by browsing through Amazon and Yahoo! Autos. Your point simply doesn't stand up.

As to Ford Ka, that reveals your ignorance. Ask an american what's a Ford Ka. He'll never know and will simply go LOL when he sees the car (actually it's more like a go-cart, ultra-compact), where a 6'1 person like me has problems to fit in.Not only that, average brazilians do not buy this kind of car brand new anymore. They are so expensive that people are buying them used, as the brazilian market for new cars was reduced from 2 million/year in 1997 to less than 800 thousand/year in 2006.

Go on driving your Chevrolet Celta, VW Gol, Ford Ka and Fiat Palio and thinking you are in a rich country a*****e. Man, you definitely suck!

P.S.: I live in the south

"Later on, you said that you were not saying that high consumption in electronics cheaper because of exchange rate were causing inflation. You sure have some sort of mental consfusion here son."

Read that first sentence again and tell me who has "mental confusion" son. WTF were you trying to say retard?? Even if they are consuming electronics that are 3 years behind (which is absolute bulls**t and you know it), they are still consuming too much and raising demand and prices. You are so mentally crippled it isn't even funny!! Because someone is not consuming the latest generation means you can't have inflation. Go kill yourself now - you're hopeless!!

"Man, travel the world, what you say in plain nonsense."

Trust me, you can't count as high as the number of countries I've traveled to ok moron. You've been to Miami and London eh? Yeah you're a bigtime f**king world traveler aren't you. You will come back in here with some invented list of places you have been and we will both know you are lying and I'll have a good laugh at your expense. I already have had a good laugh when I think about the steam pouring out your ears as you try to grasp exchange rates and inflationary methods. Thanks for the memories dickhead!!!

Because someone is not consuming the latest generation means you can't have inflation?

Exactly!

"Read that first sentence again and tell me who has "mental confusion" son. WTF were you trying to say retard?? Even if they are consuming electronics that are 3 years behind (which is absolute bulls**t and you know it), they are still consuming too much and raising demand and prices"

f**knozzle - they don't consume too much. Didn't you isten to what I said? They steal s**t and sell it in the favelas! No one is consuming too much! You're dumber than a mule-deer high on paint fumes!

"Trust me, you can't count as high as the number of countries I've traveled to ok moron. You've been to Miami and London eh? Yeah you're a bigtime f**king world traveler aren't you. You will come back in here with some invented list of places you have been and we will both know you are lying and I'll have a good laugh at your expense. I already have had a good laugh when I think about the steam pouring out your ears as you try to grasp exchange rates and inflationary methods. Thanks for the memories dickhead!!!"

I've been more places than Carmen Sandiago bitch! Meanwhile you come in with this pompous s**t about "Oh I travelled the world" and so forth, bull f**king s**t! I bet you've seen tourist s**t in Europe, puddle-jumped to New York or Miami were you took in more tourist s**t, and maybe had an oddball trip to one or two Asian countries, where you hid in your hotel room most of the time. You're more pathetic than cropless farmer on harvest day bitch!

Is this guy for real? LOL

You must have traveled so many places in your dreams. They were so crazy that you have probably stumbled on a Ford Ka running in New York. You also saw in your dreams shops in London selling one plasma TV a month and being happy about it. Get a life idiot!

You just said that consumption of electronics in Brazil was not putting pressure on brazilian inflation. You changed your mind again?

"Is this guy for real? LOL

You must have traveled so many places in your dreams. They were so crazy that you have probably stumbled on a Ford Ka running in New York. You also saw in your dreams shops in London selling one plasma TV a month and being happy about it. Get a life idiot!"

You're the idiot; you don't listen! In London electronics shops close to £120,000 worth of plasma TV's a month! Show's what you DUMBASS! Brazilians wouldn't know that kind of consumption if their lives depended on it! You clearly know nothing about Brazil, have you even been there?! You're like a one-eyed rabbit who thinks he found a carrot but really it was just your own boner! Moron!

Wow - you two are clearly the most idiotic people to grace a website like this . . . Do you even know what you're arguing about? Didn't think so. Oh and to the redneck who can't seem to resist using bucolic, backwoods metaphors - did you eat paint as a child Carmen?? What a f**king hick!! Where are you writing from - Nebraska?

Well, have fun with your continuing dick-off and circle jerk - Fags!!

Hey, I'm the guy who told the inflation was caused by the government in the beginning and said the guy saw brazilian consumption standards in the US and UK in his crazy dreams. But looks like someone has stolen what I said here. I was also the guy who said those thing owned by poor were probably stolen from some middle class citizen and sold in the favelas for a fraction of the price. Another guy has used it, I only noticed that now.

Heck, this forum became a mess. Only guests writing.

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You're the idiot; you don't listen! In London electronics shops close to £120,000 worth of plasma TV's a month! Show's what you DUMBASS! Brazilians wouldn't know that kind of consumption if their lives depended on it! You clearly know nothing about Brazil, have you even been there?! You're like a one-eyed rabbit who thinks he found a carrot but really it was just your own boner! Moron!"

http://hiddenwires.co.uk/resourcesnews2006/news20060308-01.html
http://tecnologia.terra.com.br/interna/0,,OI932338-EI4797,00.html

Does that say something to you? 2.7 million units of plasma TVs sold in the world in the third quarter of 2005. Japan 9.4%, Europe 41%, US 28% and China 8%; Brazil had sales of just 37 thousand units in the whole year. The expectation to sell 150 thousand plasma TVs a year shows a huge growth, but participation in this market will still be irrelevant. Even if brazilian market reaches 150 thousand, that's way below the consumption in other countries, including China. Where did you get the data that brazilians consume too much?

That's why many shops in Brazil are happy if they can sell one plasma TV per month. And take a notice. Ford Ka is a very very basic car in Europe and it's not sold in the US, while brazilians must work hard to buy this minicar.

"That's why many shops in Brazil are happy if they can sell one plasma TV per month. And take a notice. Ford Ka is a very very basic car in Europe and it's not sold in the US, while brazilians must work hard to buy this minicar."

Hey s**t-fer-brains, I got news for ya: Brazilian electronic stores in general sell at least 15 units a month, AT LEAST! Do you only hang out in the favelas or something and forget there is an upperclass in this country? You think the politicians are driving arounf Ford Ka's. No! So where the's market then dips**t? That's right the general public. My lands, you're like a headless chicken running through the dark dew in the morning!

OH MFG!!! 15 units a month! Wow man, that's a lot! What a huge market!

Hey s**thead, how do you explain that people in the developed countries are now consuming 2.7M units a quarter of a product that didn't even exist some 7 or 8 years ago and that didn't cause inflation?

"Brazilians are borrowing at record levels to finance big- ticket items like cars, electronics and home appliances rather than buying more consumer staples such as food and textiles, said Vladimir Caramaschi of Fator Corretora SA. Retailers such as Cia. Brasileira de Distribuicao Grupo Pao de Acucar SA are shifting their focus to higher-priced items after food and fuel sales fell more than a fifth in the past six months."

That is straight from Bloomberg you f**king retard. CASE CLOSED! BRAZIL IS AMERICA LITE!! YOU LITTLE CONSUMERS YOU!! Later you f**king no nothing s**t for brains Brasileiro!

quote:

"Idiot- I've been to the US and Europe, and their electronic are much more sophisticated and higher priced!"

Higher priced??? Whoever made that statement is on acid!

Why do you think when brazilians go to the U.S. they bring as much electronics back with them as possible??

In brazil you buy a FAR inferior product, many brands here don't even exist in the U.S....they're too s**tty, and you pay at least DOUBLE and in many cases TRIPLE the price in the U.S. for a state of the art product.

Cara, não paga mico e responde ao babaca. Ele demonstra ser um bobalhão. Se você não responder ele vai ficar bored
e irá correndo para a primeira loja perto da casa para comprar alguma coisa - alguma coisa qualquer - porque este é o esporte nacional lá deles.
Mas, se você insistir em escrever, faça isto em Português. Se ele entender há pelo menos chance de que se enrole todo na gramática.
Se ele for um híbrido, aí eu naõ sei...
HAHA.

"lEADERS FOR THE NEW MILLENNIUM "

Anthony Garotinho, 39.

... Now that Garotinho´s credentials for fiscal and social sobriety are established, he is considered a possible presidential candidate in 2002 when Cardoso´s second term
expires. " The role of the new left, " he says , " is to make the market more humane ".

Rio de Janeiro state governor Anthony garotinho of the Democratic Workers Party is one of Brazil ´s most adept practitioners of the realpolitik.
The Brazilian left has to change , " he says, and he is showing how to thurn empty rethoric into effective social programs.( page 57 )

Oops.!

I bet you are 12 years old, sonny.
Go to Wal-Mart and get a high-tech American yo-yo. It will keep you happy for a long time. till you get to be a grown-up.

Was time magazine backing up Garotinho?