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Self-Righteous Indignation Marks Bolivian Nationalization and Spoils Brazil's Party PDF Print E-mail
2006 - May 2006
Written by John Fitzpatrick   
Tuesday, 09 May 2006 09:58

Military guard foreign oil company in BoliviaOn April 21 Brazil announced, amid much fanfare, that it was self-sufficient in oil. As a good showman, President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva used the opportunity to fly out to the offshore Petrobras rig, which would pump up the very drop of that precious fluid that would make the difference. He dipped his hands in it in imitation of a gesture made by dictator Getúlio Vargas 50 years earlier and held them up for display.

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Great article !
written by Guest, May 10, 2006

this is a true shame from Brazil government and from Lula !
And as you said the reaction would had been the exact opposite if it involved mostly foreign companies.

This demonstrate that Brazil has no friend whatsoever, despite what they say.
They are against Rich And Poor nations.

Paying the fair and free international market price for gas is unfair for them !

They do the same with HIV drugs, other drugs, software, computers,
GM seeds, just to name a few.

They are a Mercoisur member, but have big differences with every single other members.
They unilaterally decided to stop rice import from Uruguay. There are major disagreements with Kirchner.

They are against agriculture subsidizes but Brazil subsidize ALL export industries.

Brazil restricts Chinese textile , despite the textile imports are only 1 % or so of the Brazilian textile industry !
1 % is TOO much !
But they dont disagree when they can export over 60 of their porks in Russia and even threatens Russia to not vote in their favor to recognize Russia as a free market economy , should Russia reduce their purchases of Brazilian porks and switch to EU suppliers.

Brazil is puting pressure that rich nations cancels the debts to Bolivia, but brazil is against cancelling their own debts to Bolivia.

Whatever way you look at it, Brazil is arrogant, despite being a not so rich country.
No doubt that mpeople have good memories.
Time will come.
Time is on their side, not yours !

You want to play dirty, stinky, greasy and smelly at every game and negotiations ?

Just wait !

ProPaganda 101
written by Guest, May 10, 2006
Negative Propaganda from John Fitzpatrick

Mr John Fitzpatrick PMDB friends are going to be out of the govermment again the next Elections.

Gee Mr John Fitzpatrick

You should try a real job back in Scotland.

KKKKKKKKKK
Re: Great article !
written by Guest, May 10, 2006
I agree with everything, except that Brazil cancelled some of Bolivian debts. Actually, Brazil is playing the good guy and cancelling the debts (which are not that big, by the way) that other nations have with Brazil. But that's just a game to appease those nations and having them voting in favor of Brazil in UN matters.

LOL, I'm brazilian and I'm glad that didn't work with chinese and russians. Why am I glad? Because I know my government is not to be trusted and the least power it has, the better for brazilian people.
Sew Socialism, Reap Socialism
written by Guest, May 10, 2006
I would like to ask the PT, how does it feel to be on the receiving end of Marxist extremism. They got a little taste of what MST is doing to honest Brazilian landowners. I say "bem feito, Petrobras"!
Oops! Sow Socialism, Reap Socialism
written by Guest, May 10, 2006
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Re: Self-Righteous Indignation Marks Bol
written by Guest, May 10, 2006
I would imagine that Mr. Fitzpatrick is in love with Brazil or why would he otherwise insist in living in our country?

I believe that his criticism is actually from someone who wants the land to change for better and not because of hatred.

What would your intentions be when you waist your time writing an article or comments here? What would be the real purpose?

Any way, Bolivia is an example of how Lula is lost when comes to international policy. He probably wanted to yell at Morales and challenge him but that would compromise his political position. What is then Lula’s real position? Can anyone enlighten us here?

What should we do with Bolivia? Practically nothing. We do not have the morale to do anything against Bolivia now. We already gave to the Bolivians the political support since Lula started the government with a medieval, pseudo-socialist and populist type of political principles. Morales is just the Bolivian version of Lula.

Moreover, why is that we have plenty of geological reserves of gas in our country to exploit but we have decided to first buy from Bolivia and then use ours latter? Well, we keep buying cheap gas from the poor Bolivians and wait the day that their gas reserve would be depleted and then turn to other internal and external sources.
naaaaaaaaaa
written by Guest, May 10, 2006
Mr Fitzgerald is just angry because his friends at the PMDB parrty are going to be out the govermment again in the next election.



Bolivia has the right to control their own gas.

Maybe is not a good thing for Brazil(I'm Brazilian) bu again I'm sure that with some diplomacy this thing can be fixed.

If you own a corporation you always going to have situation where you may get the bad end of the stick.

Mr John Fitzgerald Text is just a silly negative propaganda.


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written by Guest, May 11, 2006
I would like to ask the PT, how does it feel to be on the receiving end of Marxist extremism. They got a little taste of what MST is doing to honest Brazilian landowners. I say "bem feito, Petrobras"!

HEAR HEAR!! These guys were practically sucking each other's c**ks a year ago and a year later they're just f**king one another over gas . . . LOVE IT!!
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written by Guest, May 11, 2006
What in the hell did Lula expect? After all he fostered this kind of extreme political leaning in his own government and when it spread to the rest of South America he thought his disciples wouldn't do what comes naturally to a good little Commie - Nationalize.
Cap and Blast
written by Guest, May 11, 2006
The best thing that you can do when a nation steals your hard work from you is to take your machinery home. Wait and see how long it takes for the offending nation to concede their need for foreign investment, development, and technology. Standard Oil and Shell both learned the hard way. The best thing that Brazil can do in the face of such abject National Socialism (Nazi-ism) is to cement and cap our gas wells and destroy our equipment. We will never get it back and we have (at least) the satisfaction of knowing that the explotation of our hard work will not go to serve a growing military threat on our western border. Sr. Chavez and Morales have been working out this plan for several months now and their are plenty of Venezuelans who believe we are wasting the resources of the Amazon and will be quick to seize it based on our reaction to Bolivia's overt act of war. We have a growing threat on our borders, the time to act is right now Sr. Presidente!
What a bunch
written by Guest, May 11, 2006
I wish people would stop to write rubish.
Lula and all the South American populists presidents like Chaves, Morales and the likes should be flushed down the toillet.
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written by Guest, May 12, 2006
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Brazil should move the f**king army's ass and bomb the hell out of these bolivians losers. f**king gay ass thieves what else could we expect from these idiots?
Bolivian debts !
written by Guest, May 13, 2006

Just scroll down on the news magazine of this same site.
There were at least 2 articles on that subject around 1 month ago or so.

BRAZIL WANTS RICH NATIONS TO CANCEL DEBTS OF 5 S.A NATIONS BUT DONT WANT TO FOOT THE BILL FOR THEIR OWN LENDING !
Bolivia owes $ 300 millions to Brazil !

IT IS NOT that you agree or not, IT IS A KNOWN FACT, AN OFFICIAL FACT.

But this type of behaviour is totally normal from Brazil governments and from Lula.

You want everything from others, free of course, but never want to provide reciprocity.
Look at Bolivian gas : normal that you pay 50 % the free market price. Look at HIV drugs,other drugs, HDTV, GM seeds, software where it is all the same !

Brazil has problems with everyone of the Mercosur members, with every S.A. nations, with every rich nations.
Brazil is arrogant
with everyone.
Brazil wants to rule and impose their own tricky rules.
Look at the WTO, where their only talks is about agriculture. Offers are never enough, but Brazil never put an offer on the table on industrial goods or financial services.

Brazil restricts Chinese textile when your imports are only 1 % of your textile industry.
Brazil, unilaterally decided to restrict rice imports from Uruguay, a Mercosur member.
Your highest trade surplus is with the USA and the EU, around $ 10 billion each or 50 % of your overall trade surplus, but you want more, more, more, more ever more and want TO GIVE NOTHING
IN RECIPROCITY.

China has an overall trade surplus of around $ 100 billion and Brazil $ 40 billion.

You dont disagree that China has a too big trade surplus but not Brazil. Despite that China is far bigger than Brazil in population, in overall GDP.
China imports $ 650 billion and exports 750 billion.
While Brazil import 80 billion and export 120 billion.
China has a trade surplus of around 15 % of their imports, while Brazil trade surplus is 50 % of their imports.
Quite a difference, but the guiltys are elsewhere....obviously.
Morales and the version of Lula !!!
written by Guest, May 13, 2006


Ohhh noooo !

Morales does what he promised during his election campaign.
Nothing is of surprise.

Lula never did what he promised during his election campaign !
Nothing of a surprise either.

Lula was against corruption during his 20 years in opposition.
And Lula has now implemented the biggest corruption your country ever had.
Nothing of a surprise either.

He legalized corruption and vote buying. No one is punished anymore.
Nothing of a surprise again !

But Brazilian say that anyway everything ends in a Pizza.
Well Lula is by now the Pizzaiolo who made the biggest pizza ever. A world record. So big is the pizza that he is offering a slice to every Brazilian.
Pizza paid by another corruption...obviouly !!!

His campaign for re-election already started. suddently theire if more money freed by the government. Next year will be saving time again, until the next election of course.
PT receiving ends ?
written by Guest, May 13, 2006


Did you mean receiving HANDS ?

Their hands are not big enough, they use luggages ! Quite prosper your luggage industry by now !
But no official growth rate !
Fitzpatrick and brazilian love ???
written by Guest, May 13, 2006


Sorry buddy, but the opposition dont say any better than Fitzpatrick.

But of course, you would prefer as Lula, that opposition and critics become illegal.

Are you a dreamer of your past military government ?
What did Lula say during his 20 years....before his election ?????
Never criticized anyone, anything ?

He simply does the exact opposite of what he defended during these 20 years !

By now, he only talks to the poors but works for the rich.
And he is so much addicted to keep power, that he is willing to do every imaginably illegal things to keep it !

Nothing and no one will stop him with his dirty tricks.

He is just insane ! His dream is to be canonized !

Brazil and army ?????
written by Guest, May 13, 2006


In my opinion, the EU and the USA should then do the same with Brazil.

Just read the hundreds of times where Lula said he is against neo-liberalism, when in fact it is Brazil that is using Bolivia as their backward, not even willing to pay the fair International market price for Bolivian gas.

As the article said, YOU would have been quite in agreement wit Morales if it was EXXON, BP or SHELL who would have been the only ones involved !

That shows how UNFAIR YOU ARE!

Soooooooo SIMPLE !
fITZPATRICK
written by Guest, May 13, 2006
VOLTE PARA O SEU PAÍS. O QUE VOCÊ TEM QUE FAZER AQUI, SENÃO DAR PALPITES BESTAS?

DESDE O INICIO LULA TEVE UM COMPORTAMENTO COMPREENSIVO COM RELAÇÃO A BOLIVIA MESMO À CUSTO DAS CRÍTICAS QUE RECEBEU.
POR QUÊ VOCÊ NÃO VIU ISTO?
ONDE ESTAVA VOCÊ?
ACREDITO QUE VOCÊ POSSA FALAR PORTUGUÊS JÁ QUE É TÃO METIDO A ENTENDER DAS COISAS DO BRASIL.
RE: fITZPATRICK
written by Guest, May 14, 2006
Seu idiota! Você não pode nem mesmo escrever em inglês num fórum em inglês e fica aí falando merda! Por que você não vaza do país sua anta? O país praticamente em estado de guerra civil, com policiais chacinados em São Paulo, um presidente ultra-estúpido e bundão e você tá aí preocupado se um gringo tá falando mal do estado deplorável das coisas aqui? Olha, cara, vai pra Cuba, vai pra qualquer lugar, mas some daqui desse fórum! Cuzão do caralho!

Stupid a*****e! You can't even write in English in an English language forum and you keep yourself there saying bulls**t! Whay don't you simply leave the country, Mr. Donkey? Our country is practically in a state of civil war, with policemen killed by tens in São Paulo, and a super-stupid and straight buster president and you are there worried if a gringo is criticizing the deplorable situation around here? Look, moron, go to Cuba, go anywhere, but leave this forum at once! Buster!
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written by Guest, May 15, 2006
Sorry but the only reason you have the so call "Civil war " in Brazil right now is because the Sao PAulo State is putting presure in the bad guys.


No gang grup will go to a confrontation agains't the police in Brazil wihtout a reason. The reason is that they are feeling the heat .

The reason that they are doing all that is because the big bosses are going to be move to the Federal Jail that does not allow then to talk with anybody for 23 hours a day,plus they have 1 hour to just move around a small cubicle outside of hole.



I agree that Mr Ftiz do not bring nothing to the table.

He just complain. and wait for the reaction.








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written by Guest, June 24, 2006

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