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What a f**king moron you are, Buarque. Fix the public education system, and don't screw with the private schools or the Unis.

Can you believe this a*****e, he wants to nationalize K-12!! Hey, move to Bolivia moron, we are tired of politicians like you!

Brazil is the country of the future! (and will always be)

Agree Cristovam?

Do we have a future? I am glad to know that.

Your statement is highly optimistic!

There are countries which do not even have that expectation.

Christovam Buarque a typical example of how stupid and populist a politician in Brazil can be.

He offers wrong solutions although he himself is part of the problem in Brazil.

Brazilians must reject left-wing demaguoges like him.

It is amazing that none of the individuals who responded to this article had anything to say about the problems of racial discrimination in Brazil. I am an African American physician, I graduated from one of the best American universities at the top of my class, I am sought after to handle the most complex of surgeries. During my last visit to Brazil, I told a couple I met that I was a surgeon, the look on their faces told me that they did not believe me, so I showed them pictures of me performing surgery. I saw immediately that they were shocked, and they invited me to meet their daughter who had attended college in Louisiana. The point of my story is that I grew up poor, I am the first member of my family to attend college, but I have succeeded because the system helped me to succeed. Brazil will be better off investing in a sound educational system, unless, one day will come when the underclass that have nothing to benefit from society will react violently, and attempt to destroy the nightmare that Brazil is to them. Brazillians must wake up to the fact that they have a very serious problem in thier midst, and take steps to ensure that the situation does not deteriorate to a point of no return. Imagine turning on your T.V. to see the whole of Ipanema, Leblon, and Copacabana in flames. That day will come unless something is done sooner rather than later.

This is what Brazilians said for the last 100 years.
You problem is that you did not advance much during these 100 years.
You remain a developing country, but lagging further and further ewven compared with other developping country such as India, China, Russia just to name few
But you excel in lagging !
In the meantime, during these last 100 years or even much less, many countries not richer then than Brazil became developed and quite wealthy.

You failed lamentably, then by definition you will remain a country for the future for eternity.
A country of hopes.
But hopes dont make things happens, as your hopes for the last 100 years.

Reality is different than hopes, and your reality is quite sad and shameful.

Without commitment and accountability you will continue to have hopes after hopes ONLY !

You said it all !

But as long as Brazil governments spend less than 1 % in education, they wont have rooms for all the whites, and even less for blacks by definition....unfortunately !
Brazilian elite has no interest in having an educated population, so they can continue to steal and rob the country for their own interests.
Just imagine what would happen to this elite, should the majority of population be educated enough to realize the sad truth.

Dont forget that the elite is not that much educated either.
They have not realized yet that by having an educated population being much more productive will make them even richer.

Afterall this is exactly what the rich countries do !!!!

But there is no shame to be rich, as long as every citizen have the same education rights, the same possibilities and that there is no poverty.
Of course, in rich nations there is poverty too, because whatever the country wealth, the lowest 20 or 30 % of the population is by simple maths poorer that the richer.
It remains that the poors in rich countries are quite rich compared to the poors in developped or poor countries.

A poor in a rich country has a relatively decent living, he has a car, can eat as much as he wishes, live in a decent appartment, has a bathroom, toilet, electricity.

That is not the case with poors in Brazil, not even able to afford enough food despite Brazil proclaiming itself the garden of the world. And they live in a hut or in favelas.
Most countries around Brazil, poorer in GDP per capita, have a much higher education system than Brazil.

That is where the shame is ! Brazil cant say they cant afford to do better, while poorer countries DO !

What country is that? You may be right if you specify some countries but generalizing like that is a proof that you know nothing about countries or your intentions are based on hatred against Brazil merely; very common in this site.

I know, I know, Brazil is poor, badly administrated and we are a bunch of horrible people however this subject is getting tiring and numb.

Brazil is a like a mother, even if like a bitch, but we love our country.

Some of the things you can learn in this site:

1) You cannot impose democracy upon others.

2) You cannot force people to love each other

3) Governments have privileges and people have rights.

4) True education starts at home

5) Racism and bigotry permeates everywhere in the world.

6) Some countries are financially poor and some other ones are poor of spirit.

7) Stupidity has no geographic preference.

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Hey, my stupid fellow countryman! Don't you see that our government and system are indefensible? Do you have something wrong with your head? Poors in Brazil are among the poorest people in the world. I am not the guy who wrote the first post, but I can name a few countries to you: the United States (where the poors live like upper middle class brazilians), Germany, Italy, Japan, Australia, UK, Spain, Switzerland, Finland, Singapore, Hong Kong, Taiwan. The list is actually much longer. Even in France the poors live much better than here. I am ashamed of having people like you and Mr. Buarque being from the same country as me. Get a life, sucker!

I think that if you look at the same type of photo in the USA you would see the same thing.
Blacks have always been the ones in prison and its not always because of the education system. I beleive its the way that people are born some races are good and some bad.

Ok, congratulations to the black guy, but your suggestions and those of the replier do not really work. In Brazil, there are very few private schools and universities. Brazilian government strongly controls curricula and schools. Yet, those private schools, in the first degrees, despite having lazy students who are the children of richer people, show much better results than those public schools with students eager to learn and escape poverty. When they get to university, the situation is inverted. The riches go to public universities and the poor have to go to private universities. Guess what, good private universities are reaching and many times surpassing public universities.

Actually, Brazil does not spend little on education, as data here shows us: http://www.inep.gov.br/downloa...l_2002.xls

In face of GNP, we spend even more than Japan. Yet, there is no school for everyone and the education fails miserably here. That's the result of decades of government policies on education. As such, I put it here: What we need is more private education in Brazil and less public education. If we want to have a country where education is professionaly handled and does not serve momentary political moments, we need to privatize it. Just as Ireland did. Brazil should look at the example of the failure of superior education in Europe and basic education in some states in America and realize that they were caused by the administration of education by politicians.

P.S.: I am not sure is Mr. Buarque is deaf, blind, or if he should just go back to school and learn how to interpretate texts. He cited Ireland in a previous article, but he was unable to understand that government went out of the education system for primary schools, the biggest success there. By the way, Mr. Buarque is a big part of the problem.

ooops, not interpretate, but interpret, sorry...

"so I showed them pictures of me performing surgery."

Are you f**kin' serious?! You carry pictures around of yourself performing surgery?! HAHAHAHA! What the helll is wrong with you?!

He might have shown them over the Internet moron...

yes u f**kin idiot - dont just make assumptions about things you dont even know the real facts.

I would sue of you showed random people pictures of you performing a surgery on me!

Caras , que mico!
Por que razão vocês têm que dar atenção aos babacas americanos que não olham parta o seu próprio umbigo? Eles ficam dando palpite sobre o que não conhecem e vocês ainda dão corda.
O que é que esse Dessalines tem a ver com o Brasil?. Que vá operar os pretos, os brancos, os amarelos, e todos os americanos mai da Americas. Cortem essa. O Brasil não precisa dos palpites desses caras!!!

Ele disse: O Brasil é uma merda, mas é bom. A América é boa, mas É UMA MERDA
Sábias palavras.

That depends on OPINION buddy. To white racists like you ALL blacks are criminal minded and all whites perfect little angels.

However, if you ask the Muslims it is the WHITE race are world's thieves, murderers, rapists. I am inclined to agree with the Muslims.

It is obvious that you are an ignorant a*****e, "some races are good and some races are bad" that is the same argument used by people like Hitler to justify the extermination of a particular race of people, but you would not know that because you probably cannot read a book. Secondly to the gentleman that says the situation in Brazil is the same as in the States, you simply do not know what you are talking about. Over 2oo years ago, Blacks had universities in America, predominantly Black schools that graduated medical Doctors, professionals and Lawyers. Addtitionally, there is a rich and powerful middle class of Blacks in America, I am not saying the system is perfect, but to compare the situation of Blacks in Brazil to Blacks in the States is like comparing apples to oranges. In Brazil, if you are born Black, you catch hell from the day you are born, you are consigned to a group of people who will never aspire to nothing except maybe soccer or music. In America, if you choose the educational path, you may attain any goal in society, Condoleeza Rice, Andrew Young and Colin Powell are a few examples, Does Brazil have Blacks like these, and when I say like these, I am not talking about Pele, I am talking about Black people that have real power, I think not. Finally, the individual that assuemed that I carried pictures of surgeries around, It is obvious you have an inferiority complex, my pictures are available in the websites of many of the leading medical universities on the east coast. I suggest you use your energy to learn English properly, and then read about the Bill of Rights.

Brazilians need to feel good about themselves, they are far above India in infastructure and just about everything elses minus capital. About 67% of the state of Gujarati, India is literate, in an article comparing Mumbai to Rio it noted that while Rio is far more violent the favelas of Rio have basic santitation, electricity, and most building are roughly 7 story high built out of block (unlike Mumbai where most poor slums have not sanitation, electricity, and people lived in cardboard or tin shacks). I won't even begin to comapre the way women in India are treated to that of women in Brazil. And still to this day in India the lower castes have just about as much access to education as Brazilians in favelas do.

Roughly 1% of the Brazilian adult population (even with a culture of well known transsexual prostitutes) has HIV/AIDS, compared to South Africa, the richest and most military powerful nation on the continent of Africa, which has roughly 20% of its adult population infected with HIV/AIDS.

Out of all nations on earth, only a handful can say they have sent a man into outerspace, Brazil is one of them. Hell you all build and sell advanced military planes to Britan one of the most powerful nation on earth and a member of the "G-8" club.

So compared to *most* nations on earth Brazil overall is not in the worst shape. (and there are many nations on earth)

The United States industrialized way before Brazil did, consequently Brazil has greater inequality in distribution of wealth (in a capitalist system that is). Brazil is no where near as urbanized as the United States (few places on earth are), hence given her history regarding slavery and agricultural based and dependent economy, it is a total illusion to suggest that blacks and dark mixed folks in Brazil are poor simply due to "racism." If racism was the only factor in any black poverty on earth, then the black government and black wealthy class of oil rich Nigeria must be "racist."

*But* Brazilians do need to be concerned about their nation and what direction it goes in. *It is not just that so many rich fly in helicopters in Sao Paulo while so many in that same city live in slums and abject poverty.* Something must be done to correct this. Something must be done to bring many more dark mixed and black Brazilians into the wealth and power structure of Brazil. *One way to begin doing that, and building a better Brazilian future, is for the Brazilian government to be more fiscally liberal and dramatically invest more in quality education for the 21st century for all Brazilians.* An educated and or skilled workforce will lure more industry to Brazil as well as inspire the creation of industry in Brazil by wealthy Brazilians who will know they can hire from a large pool of qualified canidates in Brazil.

Investment in education has worked well for Ireland, Investment in education has worked well for China, investment in education has worked well for Japan. It can work well in Brazil too.

Also... I've been to Dubai and would suggest Brazilians rather look to model the future of there urban centres more off of Dubai than off of the cities in the United States like Chicago. Or, good urban American city to model off of is San Diego (very wealthy city and well kept up). - Just my opinion.

I live in chicago and went to school in san diego. I also lived in Rio and have traveled to many other big cities. I'm not sure if possibly you haven't been here in a while, but with the exception of the climate and geography i would hold chicago up to any of those cities. The fact is because chicago is a real city (you can actually walk places and take the train) unlike most of suburbanized san diego (yes I know they have light rail, but it doesn't really cover the city) you actually come into contact with more people from different backgrounds and income levels than you do in a place like san diego where you spend much more time in your car. If Brazil urbanized more like san diego wealthy people would really have no contact with the poor. Also chicago outside of the housing projects is a very clean city.

Your points are well taken. I wrote my article about racism before I read the news this morning to learn that Sao Paolo gangs had attacked police stations, that is a microscopic indication of what I spoke about. If you have a large population of have nots in a society, it is only a question of time before the powder keg erupts.Secondly, I dare to say that your views on the race issue in Brazil is quite simplistic. Brazil is not a poor country, Brazil is a great country blessed with abundant natural resources that can transform it into one of the greatest countries on earth if it taps its manpower. However, in a situation where a significant number of the population is cut out of progress because of the color of their skin through the manipulation of the educational system is nothing but racism. If we condemn Jim Crow racism in America, racism in Brazil must also be condemned. Finally, I do not know about you, but I have never met an uneducated Nigerian. In fact, majority of the African Doctors I know here in the States are of Nigerian descent.

That is right Brazil is NOT a poor country and it is very rich in resources. However, it is like having a lot of money in a bank but unable to use it wisely. When we consider our resources we are freaking rich indeed. We need to find a way to share the wealth with all Brazilians and speedily before we deplete our resources.

Actually, Mr. Buarque knows how to criticize very well and then I ask: now what?

Mr. Buarque most of the time say the right thing but he, like all politicians in Brazil, knows what is wrong and what to do to fix the situation but that is all. However, they lack motivation, honesty and patriotism.

Mr. Buarque is right about “quotas”, although I want to see him doing something to change Brazil. The "quotas" for blacks is a political solution and does not address the root of the problems.

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"If Brazil urbanized more like san diego wealthy people would really have no contact with the poor."


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You have a valid point.

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"Your points are well taken. I wrote my article about racism before I read the news this morning to learn that Sao Paolo gangs had attacked police stations, that is a microscopic indication of what I spoke about. If you have a large population of have nots in a society, it is only a question of time before the powder keg erupts.Secondly, I dare to say that your views on the race issue in Brazil is quite simplistic. Brazil is not a poor country, Brazil is a great country blessed with abundant natural resources that can transform it into one of the greatest countries on earth if it taps its manpower. However, in a situation where a significant number of the population is cut out of progress because of the color of their skin through the manipulation of the educational system is nothing but racism. If we condemn Jim Crow racism in America, racism in Brazil must also be condemned. Finally, I do not know about you, but I have never met an uneducated Nigerian. In fact, majority of the African Doctors I know here in the States are of Nigerian descent."


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You have a *very* good point [eyes get big] about the state of a city or nation if one or more of its street gangs attacks a police station or more of its. Something of that magnitude would not happen in the US - if it ever did the response from local, state, and federal police would be swift and devastating.

But I would like to point out that I never stated Brazil was a poor nation (she has a large GDP). And while *wealth* may arguably be specifically different than *money* per se, at least in so far as "wealth is created" and how that may or may not tie into *natural resources*? We are still left with the fact that an abundance of *natural reasources* does not in and of itself translate into monetary wealth in the bank accounts of a nation citizenry. We only need look at most the continent of Africa for that. So the fact that Brazil has lots of natural resources does not mean there should be no huge inequality in the distribution of wealth in that nation. As I understand it, it was the urbanization in the 20th century in the industrial age that was able to exploit natural resources in such away that allowed middle classes to develope and distribute wealth more evenly through good paying jobs. Brazil for the most part never urbanized and industrialized like the US or many Western European countries. But now is the 21st century and Brazil needs to get competitively in the information technologies and bio research and technologies.

As for Nigeria, I never claimed Nigerians were uneducated. I claimed Nigerians were *poor* with often little to no ability for economic upward mobility in their own nation. I think you might have mistaken my comment that in large Indian state of Gujarati there is only 67% of the population literate. And it's interesting to note that both Nigerian and East Indians work in the US as medical doctors, yet a huge swath of both India and Nigeria is made up of slum dwellings.

"Finally, the individual that assuemed that I carried pictures of surgeries around, It is obvious you have an inferiority complex, my pictures are available in the websites of many of the leading medical universities on the east coast."

You have pictures of yourself performing surgeries on the internet that you show to people who don't believe you're a surgeon?! AhHAHAHAHAHA! What a loser!

(Do you get the point now? (Who has the inferiority complex Mr. I-have-to-show-people-pictures-of-myself-performing-surgery-so-that-they-believe-I'm-a-real-surgeon? (you're clearly the most insecure Afro-Americano ever)))

"That depends on OPINION buddy. To white racists like you ALL blacks are criminal minded and all whites perfect little angels.

However, if you ask the Muslims it is the WHITE race are world's thieves, murderers, rapists. I am inclined to agree with the Muslims"

I just saw this and had to say something. First whoever wrote this - you are one sick f**king a*****e!! Seriously you are the kind of human that should be exterminated. One can only imagine what a demented and sad individual you are. I really feel sorry for you more than anything because inside you must feel like one of the s**ttiest, most worthless humans on the face of the earth. The term NAZI truly isn't lost on you. I hope you seek some professional help and get some historical perspective. When you do, you will realize that people of every race and creed commit atrocities and skin color has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH IT YOU SICK f**k!! If you are Brazilian and represent even a sampling of what your countrymen think then god help you all. If you are American then god help us.

What an idiot your are! It's normal for many professionals to have pics of them on the Internet. There are lawyers, journalists, whatever, who have pics. If the guy has pics, it's a matter of promoting his own work, what's wrong on that? And if people doubt he's a physician, they serve the purpose to show to those bastards like you who he is.

Now your pics certainly would serve the purpose to show the world the a*****e you are.

God help you all because you cannot see how badly doing you are.
Last night Oprah showed how bad your educational system is..
Read your newspapers carefully.
If you are not a moron you will
find the truth desguised in-between the lines.
You lose young people everyday in a stupid war but most citizens are blind to the reasons of that war and support your government.
Just think. How many will die today?
All that stems from a bad educational system. Just listen to your president.What kind of a student was he?
It´s a shame

God help you for watching Oprah. Do you take your advice from Dr. Phil also? Although I agree the educational system in the US is broken in many spots...

""God help you all because you cannot see how badly doing you are.
Last night Oprah showed how bad your educational system is.. ""






You watch Oprah? Amazing how you managed to turn the computer on, moron. Now go back to that stupid attention whore ugly as f**k cunt because brain washed opinions aren't needed here.

"What an idiot your are! It's normal for many professionals to have pics of them on the Internet. There are lawyers, journalists, whatever, who have pics. If the guy has pics, it's a matter of promoting his own work, what's wrong on that?"

Since when is being a surgeon a promotional profession? Riddle me that, dumbass.
Further, it's not so much that he has pics of himself performing surgery on the internet that's laughable, but the fact that he's so incesure that if people don't believe him that he's a surgeon he has to go out of his way to f**king prove it to them! That's the definition of a loser!

"Since when is being a surgeon a promotional profession? Riddle me that, dumbass.
Further, it's not so much that he has pics of himself performing surgery on the internet that's laughable, but the fact that he's so incesure that if people don't believe him that he's a surgeon he has to go out of his way to f**king prove it to them! That's the definition of a loser!"

Ok, you win. You convinced me. Your point is right. You see, Mr. Cristovam Buarque is an insecure guy. So is Oprah Winfrey too, a very insecure woman who has her pics spread through out her website. Most of our columnists everywhere in the world are also very insecure people who want to tell the world how intelligent they are. And you'll be an insecure person if you start a blog or a website and put a pic of you to show your work for potential employers. Yeah, you're right, all of them insecure... Loser!

That strenghtens my point. You have too many public schools, provided by government in the United States. The curricula are also defined by state. This makes private schools expensive and tend to draw students to public schools, which are big, unpersonal and have teachers who don't give a damn about the future of any student, for they will get their salary at the end of each month till retirement, no matter if their students were good or bad.

In Brazil that's even worse, for there are too few private schools around here. The public educational system, despite the large ammount of state money it receives, is nothing but a disaster, plenty of corruption too, just as in the US.

Both the United States and Brazil should look to irish, japanese and korean models, that ensure more freedom to private schools.

I greatly admire the United States and I think the country is an example for almost everything. However, in this specific and very important area, education, you are failing.

"Ok, you win. You convinced me. Your point is right. You see, Mr. Cristovam Buarque is an insecure guy. So is Oprah Winfrey too, a very insecure woman who has her pics spread through out her website. Most of our columnists everywhere in the world are also very insecure people who want to tell the world how intelligent they are. And you'll be an insecure person if you start a blog or a website and put a pic of you to show your work for potential employers. Yeah, you're right, all of them insecure... Loser!"

Try to get your thick-skull to take this in: Oprah Winfrey is an entertainer, and columnists try to get work by getting themselves published. Baraque is a polticain who wants votes. THESE EXAMPLES THAT YOU GAVE ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT FROM BEING A SURGEON, WOULDN'T YA SAY NUMB NUTS?!

And surgeons make more money by being famous also. That is why some doctors make millions a year while others make a lot less. The better known and the better rep**ation you have the larger fees you can charge. Anyway who gives a s**t how the guy showed his pics, it is such a pointless tangent anyways. What is the point of going around calling a surgeon a loser. Pointless and tiresome.

"Try to get your thick-skull to take this in: Oprah Winfrey is an entertainer, and columnists try to get work by getting themselves published. Baraque is a polticain who wants votes. THESE EXAMPLES THAT YOU GAVE ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT FROM BEING A SURGEON, WOULDN'T YA SAY NUMB NUTS?!"

But I don't understand moron. Isn't what Mr. Buarque says much more important than his pics? Why is he self promoting himself so much? Explain me this, moron, I don't understand. Only his words would certainly suffice...

I live in the US and I am Brazilian. My kids went to a public High School here in my town. The school is very good and when my kids took the national test they rank very high. Many students from this public school are now attending top American universities.

Yes, there are problems with the American schools in general but in Brazil our problems are far more accentuated.

The difference here is the fact that the parents are monitoring the school closely and they participate in school's activities and counseling.

That is something that we should be fully implement in Brazil if we want the schools (private and public) to be better.

Why can't everyone just get along. Except for the racist that said some races are good and some are bad.

What's very good to you? Current brazilian cars are better than those found in Africa, but then what? In international standards the american schools are lagging. American students rank much below other countries and as to the overachiever students the situation is even worse. Do not try to compare them to brazilian ones, which are a complete disaster. Virtually any country in the world has a better education system than Brazil.

Actually American schools are in some ways less uperior than Brazilian schools. In Brazilian schools children are encouraged and reinforced for good behaviour while in many American schools children are still spanked by their instructors! Also, Brazilian public schools offer food programs so that kids can eat while they're at school. American public schools almost never offer this, and poor children are left with little food during the day. Education-wise, Brazilian schools give the children a broad view of history and the children are taught to think about places other than Brazil. In American schools the childrren seldom learn about historic figures who were from outside of the USA.

... but the results of brazilian schools are far worse than the american schools, which have low results by international standards. And the history that's taught here has plenty of marxism.

Hmm I'm not sure which america you are talking about but I just though I wold cut and past this from the national school lunch program...
The National School Lunch Program (NSLP) is a federally assisted meal program operating in public and nonprofit private schools and residential child care institutions. It provides nutritionally balanced, low-cost or free lunches to children each school day. The program was established under the National School Lunch Act, signed by President Harry Truman in 1946.
.... Seems to me you are incorrect there. In addition I'm not sure where you got your info about kids being spanked but anecdotely there are many stories of teachers being fired for spanking kids. I'm not sure where you got your info. from but it doesn't seem to check out. I wold agree that american schools are not good at teaching world history or much about the outside world though...

What I tried to convey is that some public schools in the USA are very good and had good standards of education.

I have no knowledge of teachers spanking kids here. I think that was allowed in the past but now the teacher would get fired and possibly some time in jail. My kids never were harshly punished and they were not easy, I can tell you.

What is very good to me? Your question is valid and I answer that my kids got a good education because now they are well prepared for a top college. You may challenge my answer and I accept that it is very hard to define clearly to others what someone would consider to be good or excellent however in my circumstances I can recognize the value of their education here.

Moreover, I was impressed how the American parents were actively involved in the curriculum. We in Brazil trust the schools too much.

I believe that it does not really matter whether the school is private or public but how the parents monitor the schools.

I was educated mostly in Brazil. I attended public and private schools combined. When I started college in Brazil my first school was private and then I moved to a federal university. I can tell you that I am glad I did because I got better education from the public one.

Those who are interested in real working alternatives to the prison chaos in Sao Paulo, given that politicians and academics are helpless,should go to www.monteazul.org.br and discover meaningful solutions to some of the social questions posted above.

Ok, but asian students tend to pass the exams for top american colleges with better scores, as well as many indians and some europeans. That's also part of their culture, I agree, but it's a fact that american schools are not that good, and that's particularly true for public schools. Public universities tend not to be so good as well. I mean, we must always compare everything to international standards. Comparison within the country is not enough. Take a look at what that attitude has caused to education in Brazil;

Ok to promote your website, that's not wrong, but couldn't you bring at least some brief comment to the situation first? This way you wouldn't be spamming other users and they could go to your site to check for more info.

It's true in international testing american schools generally do poorly. There is a severe disparity between good schools and bad schools. Both public and private. I went to a public school that sends more kids to harvard and stanford than most private schools. Many wealthy suburban public schools are every bit as good as thier private counterparts. I'm not sure if private or public is the answer but I do believe finding a way to get poorer students and thier parents to value education as much as the well off is part of the solution. If it is private education then fine. Whatever could possibly work.

Yes, that is true about the fact that some Asian kids are far more competitive than American or Brazilian ones. However, they sacrifice a lot of their “fun years” as kids to dedicate spartanly to books and performance.

Education is important in life but I think that it is sickening what many Asians parents do to their kids. I have witnessed that. Please, not all Asians do that though, take note.

My kids are good students but I never pushed them that hard. I think that you must give them some freedom and let them be creative on their way.

The point here is how we should address the school problem in Brazil and I think that although the private sector is important there are many parents who cannot afford those expensive schools.

Another point, when I was in the junior high in Brazil (ginasio) the best student there was a young black girl, who used to work as a maid. She impressed me a lot because she was very dedicated. Another impressive thing was that the fact that she was much older than the kids around her but she was not embarrassed by that at all. She was “A” student in every subject and very competitive.

Blacks or Indians (or mix of races) in Brazil can do well in our schools especially with the encouragement and support from members of our society, media and government.

Lula, although he is not my favorite president, said something interesting (Hooray!): a kid in jail in far more expensive to the society than a kid in school. Then he added (sigh) that the previous government are the ones to be blamed. However, the way is acting now we just need to wait for the next president to add Lula to the list of those who did not do anything about the kids in Brazil.

This childish game of blaming your antecessor is the way our government keeps the status quo.

Kayla Rolland,
six-year old
White victim of integration.

Dedrick Owens, snarled, “I hate
you,” before
shooting Kayla.

The murder of six-year-old Kayla Rolland, a White little girl, by a Black student, Dedrick Owens, highlights the damage that forced racial integration has done to European Americans. Sheriff Robert Pickell said Owens’ father told him that Dedrick fought with the other children because “he hated them.” Kayla Rolland’s violent death is just one example of thousands of White children who have suffered from criminal violence at the hands of minorities in public schools across America. It cries out for an honest discussion of racial integration’s incalculable damage to European Americans.

Six-year old, Jake Robel, killed by black carjacker.

The news media have made concerted efforts to hide the interracial aspect of the slaying of Kayla Rolland. None of the national news agencies reported that the victim was White and the perpetrator was Black. Contrast that with the media coverage of the acquittal of four police officers in New York. Even though there was no evidence of racial animus and although the jury

Ronald Taylor,
White hater.

included four Blacks, many headlines read, “Four White Officers Acquitted in Death of Black Immigrant.” Compare that headline with the coverage of the dragging death of a White, six-year-old little boy, Jake Robel, by a Black carjacker in Kansas City. The headlines in the Robel murder did not read, “Black carjacker drags White Child to His Death.” The media carefully avoided any mention of the fact that the killer was Black and the victim was White. The double standard finds ample illustration in the news coverage of a recent murderous rampage in Wilkinsburg, PA. The Black killer said that he would only shoot White people and called his victims “White racist pigs.” Many articles one the did not even identify the race of the shooter or include his anti-White statements as he shot 5 White people. If it would have been a White killer of Blacks, the headlines would certainly have read something like, “White Racist Murders Three Blacks — Wounds Two.”

In America, one cannot talk frankly about the racial differences and their powerful impact on many aspects of American life. Integration of education is one of those areas in which one cannot speak frankly. The murder of Kayla Rolland brings home the need for us to honestly address this issue that is so critical to the well-being of European Americans.

Why Schools Were Integrated

Joseph Healy, white victim in Wilkinsburg.

In 1954, The Supreme Court and subsequent Federal Court proceedings ruled that racial segregation of education harms Black students. The rationale used by the Federal Courts was that Blacks as a group are harmed by a “separate but equal” segregation policy. Yet, one has to ask how Blacks are harmed simply by having their own schools when those schools are equally-funded. Obviously, Black students are not physically harmed by segregation. In their own schools, populated by their own people, tailored to their own needs, Blacks do not have to fear physical attacks or any sort of intimidation by Whites. There is no evidence that “separate but equal” harms Blacks in any way. It may be surprising, but evidence suggests that it can actually harm Black students. And, there is unequivocal evidence that forced racial integration profoundly harms White students.

Did Segregation Harm Blacks?

Dedrick Owens father, currently in jail, said his son “hates those kids”

The pivotal study which was said to have caused the Supreme Court to ban racial segregation was one that showed, when given a choice, Black children in segregated schools routinely chose to play with White dolls rather than Black ones. The proponents of integration concealed the fact that the same study showed that Black students in integrated schools actually chose White dolls at an even higher rate than those in all Black schools. Therefore, the study that was used to show that segregation harms Black self-esteem actually proved the opposite. The truth is that integrating Blacks with White children actually magnifies Black failure rates as compared to White students. The result is a lowering of Black self-esteem at first, and then as the racial disparity becomes more pronounced, Blacks then tend to blame White racism for their own failures, which in turn leads to resentment and hostility toward White students.

Achievement tests of Black students show them to be, on average, two to four grade levels behind Whites. By pretending that they are on the same level as Whites, and forcing them into White schools, they are not getting the special attention they need to overcome their learning deficit. Whites who are in overwhelmingly Black schools, which consistently are behind academically, are held back in their educational development. Of course, for whites, academic inferiority is just one of the harmful effects of forced integration. Millions of White students today face racial intimidation, harassment and violence in heavily integrated schools.

Does Racial Integration Harm White Students?

One can answer that question unequivocally by looking at the racial makeup of criminal violence in America. The U.S. Department of Justice annually conducts the National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS) to determine the frequency of crimes in America. The most recently released report from 1994 shows that a Black is 56 times more likely to commit a violent crime against a White than is a White to commit violence against a Black. Blacks commit over 90 percent of the interracial violent crime, although they are only 13 percent of the population. Let these facts sink in. Blacks don’t commit simply 50 percent more interracial crime or even 100 percent more interracial crime, they commit 5,600 percent more!

Dedrick Owens brother, charged
with stealing gun used by Dedrick
to murder Kayla Rolland.

In the area of gang attacks as illustrated by film footage of the Decatur, Illinois school riot, Blacks are 100 to 250 more likely to be involved in gang attacks on Whites, than the reverse. Some may argue that Blacks attack Whites because they expect them to have cash or valuables, but only 20 percent of Black attacks are robberies. Assault and rape do not usually have economic motives. It is popularly assumed that most Black violent crime is committed against other Blacks. However, the NCVS shows that this is a media myth. Over 55 percent of Black crimes of violence are committed against Whites. Not only are the interracial violent crime rates greatly disparate, but Blacks also a have tremendously higher general violent crime rate than whites, running from 300 to 800 percent higher. Because significant portions of the violent crime are committed by juveniles, it is obvious that these extremely high levels of Black criminality greatly affect crime and intimidation in public education.

Of course, the intolerable level of Black crime in the schools is just one aspect of the harm to European Americans caused by racial integration. Black disciplinary problems deteriorate the learning atmosphere for White students. Black IQ and average learning levels are far lower than comparable White students. Thus, Whites in heavily integrated schools suffer from a school environment that does not educate them to their fullest academic potential.

The moral climate in heavily integrated schools is also less desirable than most White schools. Illegal drug use is at least 400 percent higher among Blacks than Whites. Studies show that the Black venereal disease rate for AIDS, gonorrhea and syphilis are between 7 and 50 times higher than that of Whites. The Black illegitimacy rate is many times higher than Whites. Gangster rap and the crude and obscene ghetto language permeating these schools could certainly be said to harmful to White students as a group.

If is legitimate for the U.S. Supreme Court to set educational policies by how they affect Black students as a group, why is it not appropriate to look at how they affect Whites?

Whites Flee Public Education

Memorial in Michigan to the
memory of Kayla Rolland.

The forced integration of public schools has caused millions of White parents to abandon the public educational system that their own taxes disproportionately finance. In every American major city there has been both a White flight to the suburbs and a inner-city resegregation into private or religious schools. Parents, in good conscience, can’t send their children to the public schools, and those who are unable to afford private education, must endure the harmful conditions brought on by racial integration. In reality, Whites face a far more serious denial of basic rights than what Black students faced by segregation. Blacks obviously did not face physical attacks and intimidation from Whites in their own schools.

Which is a more important “right,” the “right” for a Black student to sit next to White, or the right of a White child to be free from violence and intimidation in school. Integration has destroyed a safe and quality educational environment for millions of Whites, and has resulted in denial of the far more basic right of European Americans to use the public schools their own taxes finance.

The U.S. Supreme Court abolished racial segregation by saying it was harmful to Black students as a group. Overwhelming evidence shows that racial integration has damaged public education in every major American city and has been terribly harmful to millions of European Americans. It is a failed experiment in social engineering that must be ended. Our children must have the right to use our public schools, and have those schools be safe as well as providing an excellent learning environment as well as cultural and moral climate suited to our people. We have a right not to be forced out of public schools by violence, intimidation, and a dysfunctional educational environment. The only way we can exercise those rights is by ending forced integration and allowing freedom of choice for our children. Surveys have repeatedly shown that most Whites and Blacks want to go to school with their own. For the lobotomized minority of Blacks and Whites who want integration, let them, in magnet school programs, have all the integration they can stand.

In the case of Kayla Rolland, racial integration forced her into an environment with Black students who disproportionately come from criminal backgrounds. Integration of education ultimately caused her murder. The facts of extremely higher Black crime and drugs, when combined with forced racial integration, do have tragic consequences. One of those consequences robbed a beautiful child, Kayla Rolland, of her life. Kayla is one more victim of Racial Integration, and she is one victim that we, who are dedicate

But those public schools are an exception. You probably live in a wealthy suburb where parents are more participative because the political power of citizens is bigger to make the school to work. That happens also in elite schools in Brazil. But most of the public schools are unfriendly, unpersonal places where teachers do not really care much about their students. That's a recipe for trouble, as Columbine, among others, shows it. Of course there are bad private schools, specially in the low competition environment today in America, but it's up to parents to choose them. As to high prices, they are caused, in America, by lack of competition and freedom for private schools. Americans are rich, but not many can afford private schools, which are among the most expensive in the world. Liberation would certainly do more good than harm and bring more parents to cheaper private schools, where they can choose the methods and the type of education, be it religious, scientific, whatever, without having to be subject to state agendas and decisions like whether or not teach evolution or creationism in school. It's up to the parents to choose and up to them and their children to deal with the consequences of choosing a bad school (this is not a perfect world, children will suffer bad choices). However, parents tend to be conscious and the immense majority of them try to choose the best options for their children. Also, competition would bring in more quality to schools, just like happens in all other economic sectors, specially in America. Nonetheless, for the parents who think no school is good or who think they are too expensive, home schooling or private teaching are an option too. What's worse? Having some children with problems in their future because of bad choices of their parents or having an entire generation of children with problems in their future because of a bad choice of state, just like happened in California during the "whole language" teaching?

How does that apply to Brazil? It's a model to be followed here. We do not need nationalization. We need more private schools. In comparison to the average income of americans, the schools here are even more expensive to parents. And they tend to be of lower quality. As to our public schools, politicians here have less limits than in America, as such, they have really done a nasty job to the country's education, which will not be corrected real soon.

You should see that you are in the land of private entrepreneurship. Education is a sector where this private entrepreneurship is lacking in America and, contrary to the rest of the country, it's doing pretty bad when compared to other parts of the world. Despite the problems in education, America remains being a powerful and very rich country, with a growing economy, even contradicting those who claim (formal) education is the utmost factor deciding the power and wealth of a country. Check the whole environment around you.

It amazes me the American people in America that respond and call themselves African American.
When you place yourself in a box, you alienate yourself from the rest of the population. It’s OK to remember your heritage or tribe, but to call your self “African American” only helps to generate a greater division in this country.
If each heritage decides to alienate themselves, then we become not a county of Americans, but a county divided. We will never learn to be just Americans.
Where did we go wrong in fixating on something so insignificant as the pigmentation of one’s skin?
We can not afford to separate ourselves as African, Mexican, French, Spanish, etc. We are supposed to be American, but this continued need to be divided will destroy this county.
My ancestors were Welsh, but I can see calling myself Welsh American, when I’ve never been there, don’t know that place or even care. I am an American and I wish we could get our people to join that single cause.

I dont know who you are but if you are a "european american" perhaps you would be more comfortable in europe. I am a WHITE american of course the majority of my ancestors came over from europe at some point, although I couldn't say who and when. If you are an ethic white american (irish, italian, spanish whatever and know that about yourself, good for you) But don't EVER lump the rest of us together with you and call us all european americans. I am white and I am American. Not european.

Actually, Brazil did not send a man into outer space. A Brazilian caught a ride with Russia and the US on their vehicle. Brazil does not own or operate a Space Shuttle.

The above is to pete H I am not pete h

pete h
See what I mean. People take their heritage to seriously.
Be American.

Poor guy really wants to somebody...
You just don't get the point.

Chile has been spending avg 3.5+% of GDP on Eduation for 20 years and is reaping the benefits of this investment. Brasil has been spending an avg 1%.
Tells a story I think.
Lifting education spending to 3.5% would easily enable a much larger participation of black and underprivledged participation in university education, provided they are given a chance, and that may mean affirmative action for a period of time.

"Brasil has been spending an avg 1%. "

What?!! Yeah right, neanderthal! Brazil spends more like 4.1 percent! Get your numbers straight before you come on to the site posting like you know something! You're as cluesless as a bee without its stinger!

"What?!! Yeah right, neanderthal! Brazil spends more like 4.1 percent! Get your numbers straight before you come on to the site posting like you know something! You're as cluesless as a bee without its stinger!"

You'll have to forgive this fine exmaple of a true retarded American redneck. HE actually represents Neanderthal America! Do us a favor and cap his stupid ass while he's there in Brazil so we don't have to endure any more metaphors from his book of "1001 idiotic metaphors that real-life idiots can use in real-life situations". Drrrrr! [spittle running down his chin]

Those 4.1% are on official statistics from the brazilian government. But considering the resources waste and corruption, it wouldn't surprise me if only 1% actually made it to schools LOL

quote:

" Imagine turning on your T.V. to see the whole of Ipanema, Leblon, and Copacabana in flames. That day will come unless something is done sooner rather than later."

WOW...are you a profit??? It only took 3 days!!! But not in Rio, it's happening in Sao Paulo!!

The backlash against the "nightmare that is Brazil" has already started in Sao Paolo. They are tired of the crooked police and the crooked system and will violently overthrow it.

Brazil may state it spends 4% of its BUDGET, but it only spends 1% of it's GNP on education!! There are very few countries in the world that spend more than 1% GNP on education, two to be precise, and the U.S. is one of those, spending 2% of it's GNP on education....and that's where the money is actually going!! What a novel idea!!

Forget Oprah, you sissy..
Concentrate on the real subject.
That is, America is in big trouble concerning education.
Oprah just brought people from the educational area to her show for discussing the bog you are in.

Think, think, think.

Here are some studies of the World Bank (which is not a capitalist organization, by the way, as it intends to help governments) on public vs. private education: http://rru.worldbank.org/Paper...Education/

Most of the studies reached the conclusion that education should be as private as possible, as you can verify.

I am afraid I was born in the wrong country. In Brazil, people love the government doing things, and when they go out of the country, they tend to bias their point of view in "good actions" of the government, forgetting all the rest that made those countries rich and powerful. That's not a fault only of brazilians though... people in the wealthy countries are showing a tendency to think government is to solve their problems too.

no bozo, that is not the real subject, the topic of this article is "brazil needs opportunity for all". But this is par for the course here, every brazilian or brazil lover always has to try and equivalate the reality in brazil with the U.S.

You guys would be much better off comparing your country to other third world countries, not the U.S.

The U.S. may have problems in it's educational system, but at least it has near a 100% attendance rate for children up to 16 years of age because of mandatory attendance laws. Whereas here in brazil there are an estimated 12 MILLION school-aged children that are not even in school. And mostly because they're families are struggling to survive....literally! So they're out panhandling coins and whatever else they can.

As soon as we boot out 12-20 million illegals, it will take a serious burden off of the american educational system!

Amen!

"Brazil may state it spends 4% of its BUDGET, but it only spends 1% of it's GNP on education!! There are very few countries in the world that spend more than 1% GNP on education, two to be precise, and the U.S. is one of those, spending 2% of it's GNP on education....and that's where the money is actually going!! What a novel idea!!"

http://www.inep.gov.br/download/estatisticas/gastos_educacao/tabelas_xls/GP_PaisesWEI_Total_2002.xls

Nah, it's 4.2% of the GNP.

"You guys would be much better off comparing your country to other third world countries, not the U.S. "

What's the point on it? To check whether we are more developed than Africa? No, brazilians and specially the brazilian government do not like comparisons because this shows everything is wrong here. We must compare to the countries that we want to reach.

Perhaps you should live in San Diego for say 10 years before you make a dumb statement like that.

The rich and the poor rub elbows on a regular basis in San Diego at a place called the BEACH!

Seeing that San Diego represents relatively "New Money" most of the newly rich have not forgot their roots-Yet!

I'm looking for a "Final Solution" where Whites a repatriated back to the "Hellholes" that their ancestors escaped from--only to turn every place that they have invaded into the same "hellhole"they escaped from!

What gives? Why go around the world causing misery to people you don't know?

Kick the asses of the people who are causing you misery in your own country!

M-E-X-I-C-A-N-S do you feel me!

No--Oprah is a lard-assed feminist, liar, conniver, man hater, cult leader, who has led her followers to certain ruin. i.e. The Reverend Jimmy Jones!!!

I'm sure that there are pictures of your ass floating around in cyberspace somewhere!

Great read. You made several key points, but the education system is only the beginning of fixing the problem.

I'm from the U.S. and visit Brazil quite often. Many people get mixed up by television and make generlizations like poor people in the U.S. live like upper-middle class citizens in Brazil. This is all relative because poor is poor, no matter what the scale is, physical amount of money doesn't mean a thing if things cost more or are harder to achieve with that money; The stress, psychological damage, illness, and rejection from society still resides no matter which country you're talking about.

It saddens me when I see terrible things in history repeat itself. A key thing to look at his how other countries dealt with the same issues. I'm not saying force democracy in all places, but learn from past mistakes AND solutions. For example, justice for black people in the U.S. was sought out by much violence such as the Black Panthers and other groups. That obviously didn't work, kinda like how justice is sought out through violence in Rio de Janeiro. Rio vermelho and other groups and gang leaders live, and die... with nothing guaranteed left for the future. The SOLUTION that i see here is blacks establishing some kind legal presense and representation in Brazil, like the NAACP in the U.S. or attempting to join existing political establishments for example like studying to be the mayor. I know this isn't easy, and it definitely wasn't easy for us, but you have to start somewhere.

I also believe technology is a key area that could help. The internet with all its information abundance could help those less fortunate learn things for FREE! and communicate with others across the world learning history and practices so that terrible things in history do not repeat itself. The same goes for people outside Brazil. I have many friends who have no idea about the history and culture of Brazil, much less where it's located geographically. It saddened me when speaking with people in Brazil, they had no idea who Martin Luther King Jr. was, or that America even had a major Civil War, or were forced to sit in the back of thus bus as part of Jim Crow Laws. It sickens me when I see 60 year old white males leave their wives and homes in Italy to endulge themselves in the love of black brazilians as a type of vacation excursion or cheap toy.

One key thing I could say about Brazilian history that American history failed to achieve on the same scale is the preservation of African history, culture, religion, music, food as you can see predominately in Brazil. Both countries can learn from one another.

But again, education only begins to change the way things are now, and a political presense and communication through technology with other people and societies will be key in future of Brazil.

~= Chris =~

Communication technologies come and go. We had fixed phones, TVs, we now have Internet, we are migrating to Internet over cell phones... of course, all of them help education and governments like brazilian and american make use of that. Saying that does not really help. The question is who will provide education and how money will be spent. Let the technologies choice be made by micro-management, so that a wrong choice is not spread through the entire society, and good practices tend to be adopted by most schools.

As to the psychological suffer, and whatever, there will always be people poorer than others. That's the human nature, some are unlucky or less productive than others. We have to focus here on the ability of poor people to live and consume, and to leave the poverty status as well. Poor people in Brazil lack to have the basics and upper middle class people in Brazil have consumption standards equivalent to poor people in US (contrary to what our TV shows us and to what you said). Only the houses of upper middle class brazilians are better than those of poor americans, but just that. As to social mobility, America shows much better opportunities for the poor than Brazil too.

And what's the point in preserving african culture? Take a look at african countries, their culture is tribal and their countries are always at war. Before you say I'm racist, I have two black economists with me on that, Thomas Sowell and Walter Williams. Read them.

The governor of Sao Paulo, Claudio Limbo, said: "We are not going to give into organised crime. I have faith in the Sao Paulo police."

Is this a double negative or what! The Sao Paulo police ARE organised crime!

The USA and Britain are Democracies and are always at war! So what's you point?

And what authority does Sowell and Williams have to make a historical judgement about the Countries of Africa--as well as tribalism?

More people have been murdered by European political philosophies than can ever be attributed to African political philosophies--so what's your point?

Don't you guys think you are over-thinking this whole thing just a tad bit?? I mean discussions regarding education and how future *theoretical* monies will be spent is getting ahead of ourselves. 10 years ago I would have been inclined to agree with this kind of planning but in light of the considerable breakdown of law and order in Brazil and in light of the considerable Constitutional infractions and steady dismantling and deterioration of civil liberties in countries like the US & Russia I have to say that we are well past the point of worrying about social services and education. We are in locked in a life and death struggle whether we know it or not.

Americans woke up to find that their phones were being tapped and most didn't give a f**k. Brazilians are watching Sao Paulo destroy itself from the inside out and local politicians say "they have the situation in hand". People - global terrorism, lack of education and social services, etc. are not the greatest threat to countries like Brazil, America and Russia. Ruling Elite Fascism Is!! I see some really intelligent people here but the disconnect regarding our respective opinions about life in Brazil and America and the reality of what is unfolding on our planet is enormous.

We are witnessing the greatest conspiracy of all times play out right in front of us. We have presidents like Vicente Fox advocating the removal of any borders between Mexico and Canada. Brazil is making historic profits on exports yet people continue to starve. What I am saying is that the global Capitalist cabal has designs on all of us. Whether Brazilian or American we are all fodder for elitists in corporate and government sectors. You are expendable and your civil liberties are threatened by your own governments. Government and Corporations are the ENEMY and you are the TARGET!

Not more than 2 months ago Chavez, Lula, Morales and Kirchner were practically lubing each other up in one giant Latin American Marxist Orgy, but we have seen the realities of that kind of thinking. Greed is king and perceived brotherhood means nothing. Chavez will criticize Imperial, Capitalist America while dumping his oil on that very same Capitalist market for maximum profits. Will Venezuelans really realize any substantial gains? DO you really think so? I don't. I can tell you that this bickering between pro-Brazilian and pro-American/European factions is entirely without logic and completely juvenile. We are all in this together whether you like it or not. Black or white. IT is us against them and we are going to need to lean on each other when the NWO decides it's time to spring their trap.

Again Economic powerhouses like the USA are currently engaged in Economic warfare against the rest of the world--What's your point?

Yeah, they are very deep into their worldwide plan--and they have been allowed to arm themselves with enough weapons that would make the bravest Patriot think twice about going up against them.
The question then is how do you bring this giant down?
Well how do you bring anyone down? His legs, feet?

Taxes! These greedy, evil men depend on money from the masses to use that same money to enslave you!

Cut off his cash flow--and cut off his influence!

But CJ has a point. Poverty is a relative term.

Anyway, here in the US there are very poor people even at the Brazilian standard.

Most Americans enjoy a good quality of life but unfortunately there people who cannot adapt to the competitive, stressful and demanding life here and because of that, they fall behind.

I met once an American family, white, that did not have a car (they had to depend on public transportation), the father did not have a decent job and they had to struggle terribly in an every day basis. The assistance the family was receiving from the government was so ridiculously low that the family had to depend on private charity. Not that charity is a bad thing but the family felt humiliated for some reason. My wife works for a social agency here in the US. There are too many cases like her here.

The American society is very great for competitive individuals but if you happen to have a different personality then you can wind up almost marginalized. Sometimes the situation is caused by lack of opportunities, or bad family environment and in many cases bad habits.

Those social problems in Brazil leap to a much higher level. I sometimes joke with friends here that Brazil is a bad copy of the USA. We always think that what is good for Americans must be good for Brazilians and we neglect to consider the socio-cultural needs and tendencies of our people. Do we need to have a plasma TV in Brazil because Americans can afford one? What about to focus the money on educating the kids first and keep using the old TV? Brazil needs to stop having a complex of inferiority. Why our government is so anxious to get us the HDTV? Could we take time to develop our own technology instead buying it from the Japanese? What is the hurry?

I wish we had the same urgency and zeal in getting our education and legal system resolved.

"I wish we had the same urgency and zeal in getting our education and legal system resolved."

Well you know, the AMericans are akin to a pack of ladybugs with no spots- they're all read! Brazil needs to READ more. REad, read, read. Read to your children at a young age, read to your tenagers at a medium age, and read to yourself before you masterbate or go to bed. I'm telling you, it's the basis of any sound society. Without reading, you're like a flamingo with bad balance!

I would say we cannot afford to separate ourselves as American, Brazilian, Mexican, etc. We are all human, with the same basic needs and wants and desires. Can't we celebrate our cultural differences without making it an "us vs. them" issue?

I am German-American (I say that not because of ancestry, but because I was raised in both countries) but I greatly enjoy experiencing the cultures of Latin America for how beautifully different they are from the ones I grew up with.

Be a uniter not a divider!

you're an idiot! How in the f**k can one learn off the internet when his family is making LESS THAN 2 DOLLARS PER DAY????


THAT IS BRAZILIAN REALITY FOR 30-40% OF THE POPULATION!!!!

"Again Economic powerhouses like the USA are currently engaged in Economic warfare against the rest of the world--What's your point?"

You're a little too non-chalant as you write that - so what you say . . .
My point is that the fight no longer resides in squabbles over issues like education. We are well past worrying about that. Survival is the name of the game now. The education that many of Brazil's poor have will serve them much better than any MBA or Engineering degree . . . They have survival skills and street smarts - do you?

"Yeah, they are very deep into their worldwide plan--and they have been allowed to arm themselves with enough weapons that would make the bravest Patriot think twice about going up against them.
The question then is how do you bring this giant down?
Well how do you bring anyone down? His legs, feet?"

I see only one person really acknowledges a NWO. That is a start but more people need to open their eyes and realize what is happening along mostly economic lines. There are poor Whites suffering right along with poor Blacks, Hispanics, Asians and Middle Easterners . . The method is called divide and conquer. Keep people divided among racial and economic lines or pit straights against gays or Republicans against Democrats, Christian against Muslim, etc... This is how they keep us weak and groping around in the dark. How do we cut the feet out from under this beast you ask?

The feet, the legs - f**k the heart of this beast is big business. Big Biz goes hand in hand with big government. It is time to declare war on big business!! Without the money and technology that private sector companies provide government it starts to unravel. Big business doesn't give a good f**k whether you live or die.

The government has amassed this huge arsenal of hi-tech weapons but the man on the ground still has to operate them. The soldier still has to make the decision to kill his friends and family. Imagine if the US soldiers declared that they had enough and decided to stop this insanity. Imagine if 1,000,000 workers walked off the job in Brazil. Imagine the impact it would have. We are going to have to take a stand and we are going to have to help one another through this. The only way is to bring BIG BIZ to its knees. It will become a war of attrition. Who can outlast whom? How long will Chevy, IBM or Microsoft be able to tolerate daily losses in the millions before giving in and/or folding?? Imagine if all bus drivers and subway engineers walked off the job for weeks at a time . . . We have to start making some big decisions and this nonsense about "my country is better than yours" is and never will be viable. We are different but we basically have the same interests when push comes to shove . .

I honestly believe the impetus for change will originate here in SA. I look for Brazil and Argentina to lead the charge in many ways. I think the wealth disparity coupled with the rampant corruption leaves these societies open to attack. The rest of the world may be looking to you in Brazil.

Cristovam Buarque, the author of this article will run for President of Brazil in the coming election.

Cristovam Buarque disp**ará eleição presidencial pelo PDT

O PDT indicou nesta segunda-feira o senador Cristovam Buarque (DF) como o candidato do partido à sucessão presidencial. O nome de Buarque terá que ser aprovado, oficialmente, na convenção de junho do partido. A cúpula do PDT também decidiu priorizar as conversas com o PPS para formação de alianças por todo o país. Buarque governou o Distrito Federal (1995-199 e foi eleito para o Senado em 2002, ainda pelo PT. No governo Lula, ocupou a pasta da Educação (2003-2004). Pouco depois de sair do governo, ele entrou para o PDT.

f**k Portuguese! This is an English speaking site, dork!

It seems the violence I predicted has already begun. So long as there is no justice for the have nots in the population, there will be no peace.Do not be deceived that this is a war about gangs, this is a struggle for the betterment of the Brazillian youth

Of course poverty is relative! That's a no brainer, poverty exists everywhere. The difference is what those poor people can consume. Perhaps the only places where there are no poor people are Cuba and North Korea, but they are miserable to any international standards.

What do you americans come to say here to brazilians, about psychological problems among other things? That's their problem, and no system, except socialism which throws everyone to a poverty slightly above human basic needs (sometimes below, and that's why so many people starved to death in socialist countries). Inequality is inherent to human beings, yet America, with its wild capitalism has much less inequality than social conscious Brazil.

As to american families who cannot buy a simple car, there must be a serious behavior problem with them. Lots of illegal immigrants go to America and buy cars. I myself know some people who left Brazil (I'm a brazilian living in Brazil) as illegal immigrants and got to buy a car by working in a profession that they didn't have any experience! And they didn't have medicare nor money from the government. Just a desire to work and get a better life.

Correction: That's their problem and no system... is likely to extinguish poverty

In addition, those communist countries have generated a very powerful class of bureaucrats who are way richer than the other people, so even those societies are not equal.

"As to american families who cannot buy a simple car, there must be a serious behavior problem with them. Lots of illegal immigrants go to America and buy cars. I myself know some people who left Brazil (I'm a brazilian living in Brazil) as illegal immigrants and got to buy a car by working in a profession that they didn't have any experience! And they didn't have medicare nor money from the government. Just a desire to work and get a better life."

Are you the big brain [big honking, snorting laugh] in here tonight?? That was probably one of the most ill-informed, no, f**king stupid comments I have read in a long time.

Yeah those illegal Brazilians, Mexicans and Hondurans - all 12 of them sharing a 2 bedroom apartment that rents for $500 a month . . . Factor in the fact that they don't pay taxes which actually translates into higher pay than you might think. $8-$12 + an hour tax free will certainly get you a car of varying quality but one nonetheless.

Also factor in that many illegal immigrants are still given access to social services that, believe it or not, many native folks don't get because the f**king bleeding hearts in America think it's better to help a Brazilian who lied to get into the country and has taken a job illegaly than to help natives. Oh and the state where I am from, 75% of the people who drive uninsured are illegal aliens. Want to take a guess at how much they cost the state when they get drunk and kill a family of four? (which I can assure you happens more ofthen than you think). Want to guess how much that raises our insurance rates? There are all kinds of factors that you haven't taken into consideration when you make that statement. Yeah all Brazilians are just hard working devils and any American who can't afford a car has a serious BEHAVIOR problem. You're a f**king idiot. Take your theories and stick them up your retarded ass. I doubt you would be one of those people who would be getting a car anytime soon in the US with thinking like that.

First of all, I do not defend illegal immigrants and I am quite aware they are a security problem. Second of all, those illegal immigrants DO NOT receive money from social security or medicare. Those benefits only apply to LEGAL immigrants living a couple of years in the country. You are surely misinformd on this subject. Third, as to taxes, ok, they get money without paying taxes, but legal americans receive a lot from medicare and social security, what reduces the ammount they pay. Fourth, buying a financed car without social security is nearly impossible, and illegal immigrants have to pay them in real money. Fifth, many used cars, 9 to 12 years old, newer and more reliable than many brazilian cars running brazilian streets, are available for sale for an ammount that does not surpass the value of two or three monthly wages for low income professions. There are no excuses for the people who cannot afford an old car. If illegal immigrants get it, legal americans can get it.

The americans who cannot buy a car are just plain vagabonds. They could simply take their asses out of the bed and get the jobs that illegal immigrants are working on.

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"The americans who cannot buy a car are just plain vagabonds. They could simply take their asses out of the bed and get the jobs that illegal immigrants are working on."


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Let me first say Brazilians aside (because I'm not familiar with their work ethic or performance) there is no doubt Mexican immigrants be they legal or illegal are some of the hardest working people not Just in the US but in the world.

However you have a bit of a less than accurate view of just not some of the poverty in the US but of how Mexican exploitation by US companies has effected the entry level position work in the US. I know for a personal fact that some US companies hire mostly only Mexican immigrants for entry level work, not just because they are hard workers, *but because they can exploit them by paying them an hourly income far below the going rate for that line of work.*

When I was fresh out the Corps and had served the US in first Gulf War, a foundry would not hire me but kept hiring a steady stream of Mexican immigrant who couldn't even speak English. In fact I helped at least two of them fill out an application there they couldn't read.

I hold no grudge against the Mexicans, they are doing what they have to, and are hard working people. But Us companies do exploit their situation.

Secondly, it may be a stereotype, but there is some real truth in it, that I have seen with my own eyes, that being that Mexican immigrant do live 10 to 20 people to a single house lol . But hey it is kind of wise .

Thirdly, US workers are amongst the hardest working *in the "industrialized countries."

True US poverty can be gleaned less from TV - and actually the sitcoms that portray US poor actually resemble the average lifestyle and consumption practice of the US middle class not the US poor - and more from how the typical US black or Latino teenage gang banger lives. Which is basicly one to two meals per day. 3 meals at the most (except for the females who have children - foodstamps and welfare will provide them with greater eating habits). The housing many of them live in is decrepit (spelling?) and the neighborhoods less than attractive. Its the illegal narcotic idustry that fuels most of the luxury consumption that you see most the well dressed poor kids dressing in.

Some of the poverty for US kids can be *extreme* especially in US winters in places like the Midwest and Eastern coast.


Now as far as Brazil goes, nationmaster.com provides some insights per statistics. One can look on the site themselves if interested (worldwatch.org is good info for consumption in US and world too). But I'll give some of the stats provided from nationmaster.com.

Internet use: United States ranks #18 per capita, and Brazil ranks #85 per capita. That is out of 198 countries ranked.

Energy / electricity consumption: Brazil ranks #8 in the world (top 8, not bottom out of 168 countries ranked. Brazil as a nation ranked ahead and consumed more energy than Australia, Belgium, or the Netherlands. But per capita for energy, Brazil fell to #73 out of 164 countries. And Brazil was ranked at #70 for commercial consumption of energy out of 120 countries.

When it came to oil consumption, I believe Brazil was ranked at #9 in the world (top 9 that is). But it is important to note that as pertains to private automobiles, cars are considered a *luxury* not a human need.

Below poverty line per GDP: Brazil ranked very good. The United States ranked the best. Out of 123 nations the US was ranked #123 and Brazil was ranked #115. Brazil ranked good per capita in this department too, pulling ahead at #8 out of 129 nations ranked.

However when it came to education Brazil damn near sucked to hell over all. What all this means to me, best I can understand it, is that Brazil overall - especially as concerns the Latin American region in particular - *consumes very good nationally out of most world nations.* The problem to me seems to be - especially looking at consumption of energy commercially and per capita, and looking at Brazils problem in education, is that *industry is not enough and not conducive to creating an enviroment of more equality in distribution of wealth.* And Brazilian educational system is not even creating a future or enviroment that could sustain the development of 21st century industries that require an educated workforce.

Also I'll note that author Thomas H. Becker, of the book "Doing Business in the New Latin America," states that experts say that if one goes by consumption patterns in Brazil, that the middle class of Brazil is really at roughly 30 to 40% of the population. But that it's suspected the Brazilian Government reports the poverty of Brazil at 30 to 40% of the nation for political-economic reasons tied into such things as the NGO's such as the IMF and World Bank and et cetera.

Yebamoth 98A in full effect!!!

... you say those mexicans are exploited but even so they buy a car. They get a minor hourly wage and even so they can buy a car. I know people who migrated to the US who did not even speak English and were able to afford a car within a few months and move to a single house within a few years. Even being exploited.

I agree, US workers are really among the hardest workers among industrialized coutries. That's one of the reasons why the country is so rich and there is so little poverty when compared to the rest of the world. But some americans, a very small percentage of the population are not, and they fall behind even illegal immigrants.

It's hard to find accurate stats about illegal immigrants, but here are some: http://www.slate.com/id/2141284/

"First of all, I do not defend illegal immigrants and I am quite aware they are a security problem. Second of all, those illegal immigrants DO NOT receive money from social security or medicare. Those benefits only apply to LEGAL immigrants living a couple of years in the country. You are surely misinformd on this subject."

No my friend, you are certainly misinformed. MANY ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS HAVE AND DO receive medicare!! If you want I can show you articles, one situation recently in the state of north carolina, where an illegal alien received treatment in a hospital that was paid for by medicare!!!

It certainly shouldn't happen, but it does! Do you think these 12-20 million illegals don't use health care services? Do you think they pay for them in cash?? In health care and education alone for illegals in the state of california costs taxpayers to the tune of 38 BILLION dollars per year, an average of 1000 dollars per family in California is what illegal immigrants costs californians.

"MANY ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS HAVE AND DO receive medicare!! If you want I can show you articles,"

If I want? Without showing the articles you're just akin to a gunslinger without his colt 45.

"health care and education alone for illegals in the state of california costs taxpayers to the tune of 38 BILLION dollars per year, an average of 1000 dollars per family in California is what illegal immigrants costs californians."

$38 billion in your dreams, pal. I owuld wager dollars to donuts that the entire healthcare program in California doesn't cost that much in taxes per year. You're as misguided as a cross-eyed marmot on the edge of a cliff.

Whilst it is indisp**able that Brasil is a country that does not offer equal opportunities,consider this:- I live in the UK,where the opportunities for work,education & self-advancement in general,are more equal.We also have a racial discrimination act & similar legislation,that FORCES employers & universities to accommodate a certain minimum number of "Ethnic Minorities",ie. Black & Asian applicants - Often at the cost of denying positions to better qualified White applicants. So why is it then,that in the UK also,there are a disproportionately large number of black males in prisons,especially for violent crime & a disproportionately small number of black males in universities.The only area where blacks excel is in the field of sport, because a) They are doing something they enjoy & therefore want to do,unlike work - which the MAJORITY of black males seem to be allergic to. b) Running around & jumping about does'nt require an awful lot of thought or studying - the MAJORITY of black males are allergic to thinking & studying - too much like work. and c) Blacks in general are better physically suited to most land-based sports (but their swimmers are crap),so they don't have to try as hard as the non-black in order to be successful - too much like hard work.
Get the general point i am making here - MOST blacks lack self-discipline, something bred & cultivated in non-black civilisations for thousands of years,through customs,laws & civilisation.You can't take a warring hunter-savage out of the jungles,dress him in a suit & then expect him to change within a hundred years. Of course not all blacks come from the warring - tribes,hunter gatherer background,just a very large number of them.
These are merely observations i have made over the course of my lifetime,i am no rascist - my best friend when i was a youth was asian & one of my college tutors was a black man - whom i admired very much,both as a teacher & as a person.
My point is this - You can lead a horse to water,but you can't make it drink, i.e. Brasil has a long way to go in terms of equality in general,but even then,there will still be a disproportionately large number of black males in prison & a disproportionately small number of black males in universities.Whilst there are seperate black & white races they will never be the same.
I look forward to the replies to this!

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"... you say those mexicans are exploited but even so they buy a car. They get a minor hourly wage and even so they can buy a car. I know people who migrated to the US who did not even speak English and were able to afford a car within a few months and move to a single house within a few years. Even being exploited.

I agree, US workers are really among the hardest workers among industrialized coutries. That's one of the reasons why the country is so rich and there is so little poverty when compared to the rest of the world. But some americans, a very small percentage of the population are not, and they fall behind even illegal immigrants.

It's hard to find accurate stats about illegal immigrants, but here are some: http://www.slate.com/id/2141284/"


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I checked out the site you offered at the end of your post. And I want you to understand I have no beef (problem) with Mexican immigrants legal or illegal or other immigrants in the US for that matter.

I would like to point out some things however. One, being that the *majority* of Mexican immgrants coming to the US are not college educated. Two, being certain ethnic immigrant groups to the US like the Nigerians and East Indians, tend to be college educated. I think it's important to understand that.

As for Mexicans and cars... many Mexican immigrants don't drive cars I asure you that. Unlike East Indian and Nigerian immigrants you can go see Mexicans immigrants in the US standing on pre ordianed street corners in massive packs, waiting for a truck or van to come pick them up to transport them to their daily grunt work. Mexicans and other Latin Americans have come to the United States and found the "American dream" lacking - that is another side of the coin for many too. Hence the "Latin Kings" street gang is one of the biggest gangs in the United States, likewise MS-13 out in California is a nortoriuosly violent gang. These gangs did not form out of neighborhood cultures of middle class consumption. -- But yes, you are correct most Americans if they save can afford to by at least a used car for $500. This is true. But I get the sense you equate a car to clean drinking water or access to adequate health care? I may be mistaken but that's the sense I get from you. Now admittedly it is true that in 21st century United States a car is becoming almost a necessity rather than a luxury, having said that there are plenty of cities in the US that have public transportation, as such it is prudent for an indivdual making $6 or $9 an hour to determine if they want to pay $500 or a $1,000 for *used* car *that will break down and cost money to fix, on top of insurance, on top of monthly parking permits.* One's rent and food must be calculated in too - as well as gas cost today.

The United States is not rich because of her "hard workers." I think that can be credited better to other numerous influences. One being host to some of the worlds top colleges and tech colleges such as Caltech and MIT. The US has many innovators - that can't be underestimated. The US is also one the, if not the most, industrialized nations on earth. Every major city in almost every US city forms the vortex and centre of that states economy - in turn the United States with 300 million so people, a nation that could probably fit the country of England into the state of California square mile area wise, becomes one enormous production and consumption machine. You have to realize there are virtually "mini Sao Paulo's" in almost every state in the United States of America - then there are mini industrial cities atttached onto those. This is how we utilized our natrual resources and other worlds natural resources through out the 20th century.

As for poverty and or lifestyle in the US compared to the rest of the world. The US without a doubt is a mega rich country, the most wealthy country on earth. However like the city of Sao Paulo, not everyone shares in that massive wealth. A good example is comparing the avergae income of Aussies to the average income of US citizens. The avergae Aussie earns annually something like $50,000. The average US citizens earns annually something like $36,000. Which is very telling when considering the GDP of the United States.

Also... keep in mind that cuurently, for the first time in recorded human history, there are more overweight people on earth than skinny people. The United States has the biggest problem with it - killing hundreds of thousands of Americans annually. However every continent on earth is now medically reporting a problem with it. Africa less so, only two or so nations on that continent report a problem with it. But Latin America has a problem with it - Mexico not being least of which (coming from the Mexican medical community).

So consumption is up around the world (speaking in "average" terms like one speaks of "average income" - though both give an illusion of prosperity shared by all because of its type of mathematical equation). The question is what level of consumption is enough?

First of all, I do not defend illegal immigrants and I am quite aware they are a security problem. Second of all, those illegal immigrants DO NOT receive money from social security or medicare. Those benefits only apply to LEGAL immigrants living a couple of years in the country. You are surely misinformd on this subject. Third, as to taxes, ok, they get money without paying taxes, but legal americans receive a lot from medicare and social security, what reduces the ammount they pay. Fourth, buying a financed car without social security is nearly impossible, and illegal immigrants have to pay them in real money. Fifth, many used cars, 9 to 12 years old, newer and more reliable than many brazilian cars running brazilian streets, are available for sale for an ammount that does not surpass the value of two or three monthly wages for low income professions. There are no excuses for the people who cannot afford an old car. If illegal immigrants get it, legal americans can get it.

The americans who cannot buy a car are just plain vagabonds. They could simply take their asses out of the bed and get the jobs that illegal immigrants are working on.

WOW - you are the one who is misinformed my friend!!! You are wrong on almost every account!!! But don't let an American who grew up in a farm town that was 50% Mexican tell you any different!! You know better. Dude shut the f**k up and find another thread!! YOU DON"T KNOW s**t and are getting in deeper every minute.

The avergae Aussie earns annually something like $50,000.

God there are some ignorant f**ks on this site!!! 50K a year eh? I think Switzerland is #1 at around 45K or less . . . almost not worth one's time to come in here anymore.

Too much attention is being paid to various kinds of "social costs" that illegal immigrants are costing taxpayers of the US, that supposedly are not being reimbursed because these people don't pay taxes. I would wager that a great many of them would gladly become "regular" taxpaying residents if given the chance -- just look at how many of them were clamoring last week to be given legal residency.

The *real* problem is that this "illegal" status is specifically what is preventing them from becoming normal members of our society. It's exactly what encourages them to remain in the underground economy, not contributing as the rest of us do to the tax base of society.

Of course, some peoples' solution to that is, "just don't come here if you're illegal." Unfortunately, the very nature of the immigration process encourages people to bypass it since it's first of all, terribly obtuse, expensive, and time-consuming, and second of all, highly unlikely to result in residency for many of these people in the first place. Basically, the reason these people don't "follow the rules and enter the country legally" is because if they tried, they'd simply be turned down. If you know the answer will be no, why bother asking permission? There's an old saying that it's easier to get forgiveness than permission, but apparently that doesn't apply to immigration.

Imagine that the state tried to protect the security and safety of the roadways by making the driving exam so difficult that only professional drivers could pass it -- and raising the cost of a drivers license to $1000 a year. You still need to get to work every day, and the bus doesn't go where you need it to. Are you going to be surprised when a lot of people decide to drive anyway, rather than "just follow the laws" and take professional driving school or choose to take a taxi?

In a way, our immigration laws are like our speed limit laws were back in the1970's. We recognize that speed limits are needed for public safety, but for a long time those speed limits (55mph) were set ridiculously low, and just about everyone drove faster. The easy answer to someone getting a ticket was, "Well, just drive the speed limit!" But the more reasonable solution was to make the speed limits *appropriate* for the road conditions.

In the same way, our immigration laws are far too restrictive, which is exactly the reason why so many people are breaking them.

Don't attack those people, look to more reasonable immigration laws.

BUSH IS GAY
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This is a website about BRASIL NOT The U S of f**kin A.
So Piss Off Yanks, keep you f**ked -up views & your f**ked-Up country to yourselves & your big fat flabby loud Yankee Mouths f**kin SHUT - BASTARDS.

Good vocabulary--stickman!

Of course it's about Brazil. Conversations can and do drift, though.

Instead of bitching like a lamer, how about coming up with something constructive out of these comments that can relate to how both Brazil and the US can improve things in their own countries?

For example, many of the poor in Brazil, while citizens, barely work out a subsistence wage much like the "illegal immigrants" in the US. How are their situations similar? Largely a limited education and unequal access to the workings of justice that are afforded to the middle and upper classes.

It's interesting that in both countries it could be claimed that there are people and institutions in power that are keeping the poor/illegals in their downtrodden state because it is useful to them to be that way. Thoughts?

The first link is to an August 2004 report by Steven A. Camarota, entitled "The High Cost of Cheap Labor: Illegal Immigration and the Federal Budget." Camarota finds that while over half of undocumented immigrants contribute to the federal budget in the form of payroll taxes (creating a benefit for Social Security and Medicare programs of $7 billion annually), the costs of undocumented immigrants to the federal government exceeded their contributions by approximately $10.4 billion. Among the largest costs include Medicaid use, treatment for the uninsured, and participation in food assistance programs.

http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscal.html

That is the url and studies done by the Centers for Immigration Studies, illegals receive medicaid, foodstamps, and in many cases, cash. You really should know what you're talking about before you open your ignorant mouth!

talk immigrante talk mexicans

so piss off

because this isnt about mexico

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Don't get the point do you?dickhead!Us non-yanks don't give a f**k about how A****CA can be improved, or about comparisons
with A****CA,WHY DOES EVERYTHING WITH YOU f**kIN ARSEHOLE YANKS HAVE TO BE ABOUT A****CA?Other countries do exist outside your xenophobic little world & if your f**ked up country was blown off the face of the planet tomorrow (yes it is spelt correctly) it would'nt make a blind bit of differece to most of the rest of the WORLD - NOTE YANKS - There are an awful lot of countries in the WORLD that are NOT in A****CA & WE DON'T GIVE A f**k ABOUT YOU! p.s. This is about BRASIL.
Why A****CA? Because AMERICA is the WHOLE CONTINENT OF AMERICA, NOT JUST USA, YOU ARROGANT f**kIN BASTARDS.
PPS. iF YOU WANT A GRAMMATICAL & LITERARY CONTEST,I CHALLENGE ANY f**kIN ONE OF YOU.

I'm a German, not a Yank, and I give a f**k about both the US and Brazil and Germany and a lot of other places.

Your ranting like some kind of idiot. Grow up.

(And the idiot ranter apparently didn't notice that *he* is the one calling it "A***CA", while I always called it the US.)

Take a look at the various countries of the Americas. (Yes, not "America," but the American continents.) What do they have in common? They're former colonies of Europe. Whether colonies of England (such as the US), Spain (such as Mexico) or Portugual (such as Brazil), they were satellite nations controlled by an external government for hundreds of years.

So why is it that a few of these former colonies (largely the U.S., Canada, and Costa Rica) have had many years of stable democracies and generally robust economies? In recent years we could add Chile to the list, but it took them a while to get there.

Consider that question, and you might start to understand why "comparisons with A***CA" might be useful.

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God there are some ignorant f**ks on this site!!! 50K a year eh? I think Switzerland is #1 at around 45K or less . . . almost not worth one's time to come in here anymore."


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If my information is wrong then it's wrong. But I got it from a preface of Aussie economist, Clive Hamilton's, preface to his book on "Affluenza." Clive Hamilton and author and economist is listed on the internet as a teacher at a couple well known colleges. Hence his credentials would seem to carry more weight than yours. But like I said if he is wrong than he is wrong, but his credentials would seem to merit him benefit of the doubt.

From: http://www.growthfetish.com/Affluenza.pdf

Approximately third paragraph down on that preface from above address link:

"If we remember that Australia is one of the world's richest countries and that Australians today have real incomes three times higher than in 1950, it is remarkable that such a high proportion feel so deprived. Average earnings exceed $50,000 a year." - Clive Hamilton

no, its ALL illegals.Which brazil comprises a nice group in the area of one million+.

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Perhaps.

Someone certainly always benefits from cheap available labor.

Might that be Australian dollars? A$50,000 would mean an average income in US$ of about $38,500.

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This thread has deteriorated to a very low level. Some people are flushing the toilette here.

Next subject please!

Response to the Englishman that described Blacks as savages. It is your ancestors that are savages. When majority of your people lived in caves and practiced cannibalism, tha Black man that you described as a savage had built pyramids, mastered the universe and operated his life on a basis of oneness with God. You speak about England having a fair system. I am a Black man, I graduated from King's college London at the top of my class with a degree in Law, and nobody would hire me. I had to survive by opening up an immigration practice and ultimately fleeing to the United States. As for the mentality that Blacks are only good at sports, let me give you a very brief education because I am at work. a black man invented the automatic Transmission, another Black man invented Traffic lights, A Black man Wole Soyinka won the Nobel price for literature. Another Black man, Emeka Ezeskwili invented several computer systems. Benjamin Banneker a self educated astronomist designed the city of Washington D.C. How about Dr. Kevin Black, one of the best surgeons in the world, he is a Black man that was raised by a single mother, So where do you get the information that Blacks are only good at sports, I wish I had more time to instruct you. By the way, I personally never went to school with a white man I did not get better grades than. It is because of nuckle heads like you that the British empire has become a footnote in history.I am Black, I thank God I am Black, and I am happy to be Black

"a black man invented the automatic Transmission, another Black man invented Traffic lights"

that same black man then "pimped out" his Chevy Impala by putting it on chrome "doves" and giving it "Spreewells". It was phat yo, he could enjoy his inventions in style while selling crack to his fellow man

And where I live here in the USA, a black female was named one of the best medical doctor.

And where I work, one of the best engineers is a black American. And the company is huge.

So, cut the crap!

I am a Brazilian of 100% European blood, by the way.

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Could be! If so, I guess that is just a lesson learned for me to double check my sources and look for more than one source, or at least be certain what that one source exactly means, before attempting to disseminate information.

actually at Purchasing Power Parity according to the economist intelligence unit and the cia world fact book per capita gdp of australia is 32,000.

"Hence his credentials would seem to carry more weight than yours. But like I said if he is wrong than he is wrong, but his credentials would seem to merit him benefit of the doubt."

Yeah you fact check next time retard!!

$38 billion in your dreams, pal. I owuld wager dollars to donuts that the entire healthcare program in California doesn't cost that much in taxes per year. You're as misguided as a cross-eyed marmot on the edge of a cliff.

OH MY GOD - WHAT A f**kING RETARD YOU ARE!!! California is the 5th largest economy in the world and you don't think 38 billion sounds even on the light side? What a f**k-up!! Please spare us the Redneck Metaphors you backwoods, goat f**king hillbilly retard!!

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"Yeah you fact check next time retard!!"


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Only thing retarded is your reply.

I was the one who estimated that the healthcare system in Claiornia cost $38 billion at the most. Well as it turns out, I was as wrong as Dick Cheney in a string bikini:

"Analysis of Proposition 216
by the Legislative Analyst

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Health Care Spending

Annual spending on health care in California totals more than $100 billion."

I'm the one that posted stats about california and that illegals cost the state of california 39 billion per year in education and healthcare alone. I posted the url to the cis, centers for immigration studies, a non-profit ngo, I can post numerous others.

Illegals COST america money, they are a prejuizo, not a benificio!!!

Growing up, your father said to stand up to the bully or you will pay the rest of your life.

Hey Lula!!!
Take a stand or brazilans will pay forever.

Now is the time to stand firm.

don't you think it would be better for the brazilian people to take a stand against the corruption of their very own elected officials???

Think it would help the brazilian reality a little more...don't ya think?

That's good that people can receive the mortgage loans moreover, this opens up completely new chances.