Brazzil

Go ATOMIC.

Yesssss your laws exist but are simply not applied. That is all the difference.
Only a few people are arrested when they illegally deforest with fires, few are arrested for the illegal logging of trees. None stay in jail for long anyway. It is only a question of corruption and backstage dealings.

And what about your environemental laws for the thousands of dumpsites, large rivers totally polluted, dirty and uncleaned cities, beaches full of dirts and plastics, untreated water sewage going right through the ocean ?????

Yesssss your "demanding environmental laws" are just a fairy tale...for 4 years children ready to swallow anything you tell them.

Regarding the so called tough "enviromental laws" have you ever seen the run off from the Favelas into the beaches of Rio after a storm? There is little or no water treatment and people get sick from drinking Brazils, water all the time. Clear cutting in the Amazon, exotic game markets and now the huge increase in Ethanol production which is much naster stuff to make than gasoline! Lip service all of it, expect an inreased inblack outs and dirty air as Brazil continues to industrialize.

"Only a few people are arrested when they illegally deforest with fires, few are arrested for the illegal logging of trees. None stay in jail for long anyway. It is only a question of corruption and backstage dealings. "

A comment on the above...few if any of you Europeans are arrested for having sex with children in the north. You seem infatuated w/ Brazil, why is that when you spew so much negative?...I'll bet you are a frequent flyer on that Lufthansa flight into Reciefe bringing you and your countrymen in to meet little boys. Dirty air is not enough to keep your dirty hands of little boys and girls is it?

A comment on the above...few if any of you Europeans are arrested for having sex with children in the north. You seem infatuated w/ Brazil, why is that when you spew so much negative?...I'll bet you are a frequent flyer on that Lufthansa flight into Reciefe bringing you and your countrymen in to meet little boys. Dirty air is not enough to keep your dirty hands of little boys and girls is it?

An extremely thought provoking question made by our distinguished and eminent colleague GTY to all the Europeans on the Lufthansa flights to Recife. Would any of you be kind enough to answer to his question?

BTW, in case you dont know (or care to read his posts), GTY is a renowned Chemical Engineer and has traveled to Brasil extensively and he will be in the Amazon shortly on a fact finding mission to determine how the Rain Forest can be preserved. He will be doing something useful,while you perverts are indulging in Sex Tourism.

The UN Security Council must warn Brazilian government that further actions toward the destruction of the Amazon forest will be regarded as an direct attack to the well-being of the rest of the Nations of the earth.
The Amazon forest must be internationalized liek the artic and be taken away from crazy crooks like brazilian politicians and entrepreneurs.

By Lula telling IBIMA to pass the projects

he has set himself and his gang to sell of Brazilian natural projects ,
  wild life , Indian lands , minerals rights, wood,plants
all to be sold to the highest bidder .and the money going to well need i say it .

to me its is like the extinction hwy he proposed in his first term , through the amazon to Peru .

if you don't think it happens just go to iliha bela in SP state and see the house the former Governor of the amazon state .

he has his own private island there . proving crime in Brazil pays

again no fear of jail or any type of punishment so do as you wish .

and as far as the Europeans coming to Brazil for sex tours if the police did there jobs instead of taking the kids to them .
we would all be better off .

sort through thees web sites owned by Brazilians advertising the tours
w form69.net
sexobr.com.br

as a person that has spent a year just going up and down the river of the world , how could you ever think of killing
billions of people .

if castro thinks making gas out of corn will kill billions what will killing the amazon river do and what will do it quicker
i have been up the nile , and the 3 rivers guorge dam in china .
and doing this to the amazon would kill the c ulture and the eco system of the north of brazil while making a few people very rich

"he has his own private island there . proving crime in Brazil pays "

You can say that again Skipper! IBAMA is a joke, just a bunch of college kids being paid just above the minimum wage to take press shots in there IBMA t-shirts. One of my clients was trying to license a small plant making a nutritional product raw ingredient in the interior of Sao Paulo State, they were using sugarcane by-product, the plant is a pilot, but the potential is huge. They were able to gain the local permits from Ribero Preto (in Brazil everyone get's paid), but they could not even get an IBAMA inspector out for months. I was there at dinner when he bribed the local offical, who split his bribe with the IBAMA offical...and presto chango...the permit was issued.

Does anyone really think Brazil will do anything to stop the destruction of the Amazon basin? It's why I am fishing there this year...who knows how long we will be able to.

They were able to gain the local permits from Ribero Preto (in Brazil everyone get's paid), but they could not even get an IBAMA inspector out for months. I was there at dinner when he bribed the local offical, who split his bribe with the IBAMA offical...and presto chango...the permit was issued.

This is something that really gets into my nerves.Unfortunately, either the company pays for its survival or goes bankrupt (and dont forget the law suits the employees will file on you when you close the company). The corruption is not confined only to the government departments these days. Even the private companies face this problem. By nature I am a very optimistic person,but I think that we are teaching one generation of youngsters not to be SMART but "espertinhos". When "A Brazilian" mentions about the "Socialist Forum of S.Paulo", he is very serious and I share his views. The middle class is getting more and more intimidated by the "poor" who love to be corrupt too and now they have their opportunities.As for the college kids at IBAMA, they are just the "Laranjas" for the unscruplous bosses, who by the way are appointed based on their party affiliations.s**t, the whole thing stinks.

Does anyone really think Brazil will do anything to stop the destruction of the Amazon basin? It's why I am fishing there this year...who knows how long we will be able to

I think that it will take Herculean efforts to stop the destruction of the Amaszon basis. You better enjoy the fishing and other good things during your trip. It would be interesting to hear your experience, just like the experience of Forrest on Nile and the Three gorges dam in China.

I have not seen the 3 Gorges Dam, but I have been to China on several occasion, if the Amazon's future looks like the Yangzi River, then you are really in trouble.

I have not seen the 3 Gorges Dam, but I have been to China on several occasion, if the Amazon's future looks like the Yangzi River, then you are really in trouble.

3 Gorges Dam f**ked up the ecology, as Forrest put it exactly!.Believe me. Yangzi river was called (if I recall my geography and history correctly), the "sorrow of China". They did all sort of things to tame the River and ended up f**king it up. I think that when the good Admiral Forrest was talking about the Nile, he was refering to Aswan Dam .

I sincerely hope that we dont f**k up the "River of the World" which does not have to be tamed.She flows along her way,not bothering anyone.You will find out when you visit her.Go with open mind and you will have a great time.

I beleive the term would be WE all are in trouble

as soon as i load all my pic in my computer that the brazilian navy did not rob from me i am going to post them on a web site of my globe troting as of right know i have 14 cd loaded

and still have 2 office boxes full of pic that i still have not put stories to

gyt get them to take you to the dead tree lake and fish the J point hook in about 15 ft of water .
and go by bass pro and pick up a few striper baits blue & silver , black & gold silver & green and try to get the rattle baits also the himroid paste in the tube is also another good sent as it is most shark oil

spider wire 45 lb test no swivel

fish the clear to muddy line
also try to get a christ cat fish and clean it or have them tell you the storie behind it . and then look at its shull from the bottom bring it back to the states and give it to your pastor and tell him the storie

it will go through sunday school

I beleive the term would be WE all are in trouble

Admiral, you seem to be quite alert.Good advice to GTY and I have a strong feeling that he is very open minded and he is going to love the adventure.

We look forward to seeing the pics about your adventures.btw, how many counbtries you been to?

48 for more than 2 weeks
islands 323 for 3 to 4 days at a time

lived in 7 more than a year

48 for more than 2 weeks
islands 323 for 3 to 4 days at a time

lived in 7 more than a year

Does one of the 7 include Vietnam too, Forrest?

would not call that living

just 1,342.768 minuts of life on pause

The place is my salvation, they should name a wing after me as much money as I have spent there, my wife has tried to ban me but I keep sneaking in. If I am having a s**tty day, a trip to ProBass always cheers me up.

"gyt get them to take you to the dead tree lake and fish the J point hook in about 15 ft of water .
and go by bass pro and pick up a few striper baits blue & silver , black & gold silver & green and try to get the rattle baits also the himroid paste in the tube is also another good sent as it is most shark oil

spider wire 45 lb test no swivel "

Thanks for the tips. Looks like all top water to me, will take some large Rapala Skiter Walks and Skiter Pops, along with some Heddon Top Dogs and Mirrorlures. We stopped using Spiderwire down here and have gone to braid with a flurocarbon leader. From what I have been told, they fish for the monster catfish at night from the lodge's dock...up to 150lbs! I am leaving Labor Day weekend, 5 of us for a full week of fishing. I have been told it's an 8 hour boat ride up the Rio Negro from Manaus.

when i was there we had a jap bait that
had lights and made a eletronic noise they tore it up

dont touch the eles they can knock the fire out of you and
the lung fish if by chance you hook one of them it is like trying to reel in a car if it is a big one
they just swim off with all your guear unless you run the boat in front of them and pull them to the surface .

get some prania eat the soup it is grate

just have fun , and keep an eye out
dont buy ant thing made out of a dead animal pleas
go see the opra house have a cool one for joao

go see the opra house have a cool one for joao

A great advice to GTY

Like this one are purposely made available so that people can express their opinions and preferences. Coulda, shoulda, woulda...but cutting through the subjunctives for a moment, it may be time for an expression of opinion on what is actually going to happen and why. Not why it should or shouldn´t and the ramifications thereof.

Here are some of the reasons the Madeira Complex will go ahead.

1. The President is for it.
2. There are not enough senators or dep**ados against it to stop it.
3. You must realize that Ibama and any other bureau or ministry exists only at the pleasure of the exectutive and the legislative branches.
4. The need for hydroelectric power is vital and this issue tends to hoist the greenies on their own petard since it will save Diesel fuel and the accompanying pollution.
5. Every Brazilian votes and the majority of Brazilians will be in favor, for various reasons.
6. The working masses are already [saco cheio] with Greenpeace, NGOs, and foreign meddling.
7. Brazil is not about to become the first major nation in this century to give a rip about some UN resolution.
8. Funding is available at this time and so this is going to be perceived as the time to do it.

The issue of whether the complex will proceed is not financial nor is it environmental. It´s political.

A minor political issue will be challenges from other states like Acre who wish that the project would be done there. This may be resolved by voting them and others substantial funding for other projects.

yes it will go on with out any real end in sight

why not put in under water turbins as the flow rate of the river could move the world

dont dan up lock and control , as the land is so flat to get a fall to turn a turbin would cover up millions of hectors or rain forest and or farm land so more of the rain forest would have to be cut to make up for what the farmers and ranchers loss

[quotewhy not put in under water turbins as the flow rate of the river could move the world

dont dan up lock and control , as the land is so flat to get a fall to turn a turbin would cover up millions of hectors or rain forest and or farm land so more of the rain forest would have to be cut to make up for what the farmers and ranchers loss
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An extremely good question you asked and I agree with ya.Hey Admiral, could you tell us how they f**ked up the ecology with the three gorges dams in China. Believe it or not, I am very interested in getting some first hand opinion

then you move citys and but you dont clean up the waste left behind after 2000 years of human waste

you build new places for all the people to live while dumping the waste into the river as it is easy to do it that way

dont have any laws to clean or keep the water clean .

the water from the rice fields run off , the water from the streets ,boat traffic , new factories ,

not to even think of all the clear cutting that went on to build the dams and lakes and locks

now you have millions of tons of mud , and water being held back so the floods wont help the farmers down stream

and try not to think about the histtory lost to the water

what price we pay for progres

and try not to think about the histtory lost to the water

And try not to learn anything from the history or others´s mistakes!

Thank you for the clarifications about the huge dam in China. Unfortunately, I think that Ric´s pedictions are going to turn out to be true and our future generations are going to pay for the "progress".

For all the Americans and Europeans who think the Amazon will be internationalized, think again! You will get bullets up your ass if you try. It is up to Brazilians to protect Amazonia, not to you imperialist pigs!

imperialist pigs
now are we capitalist or imperialist . so with a name like yours are we to think you are a card caring Nazi
at least we are not a gang of thief's

Basil asked 2 years ago to invest in a world park in the amazon river basin along with several other imperialist countries we were for it ,

Brazil killed it when they wanted all the money to be handled by Brazilians and to be spent on things the Brazilians saw fit to invest in

that would be like giving your ex wife money and her spending it on what you wanted .

the slow death of the amazon started when the rubber barons started there run then came the timber men , now the farmers and ranchers ,

and all the politicians got rich and there families are still receiving money from all the graft

just walk down the main streets in Belem or ma nous and look at the street people selling trinkets and trash made from the teeth , fins , feathers, skin of the so called protected animals,

then go down to the side streets and you can buy birds , monkeys, fish , snakes , and other stuff .

why not put in under water turbins as the flow rate of the river could move the world

I am trying to recall the name of this turbine (Francis or Kaplan?). This idea somehow fascinated me.Will come back and tell ya the right name. Dont they use this turbine to get power from the tides? Would appreciate if you could refresh my memory.

Your message makes little f**king sense. What does my name have to do with Nazis?

Why don't concern yourself with the fate of the Tongass National Park first, or the dying forests of British Columbia, or reforesting Europe, where acid rain has destroyed quite a bit of what was left? The Amazon is part of our territory. You destroyed your forests, continue to be the largest polluters in the world, and are unwilling to give up an inch of your consumption. You expect us to remain poor while you continue with your unsustainable lifestyle. 80% of Amazonia is virtually intact. You cannot say the same about your forests. So, f**k off!

80% of Amazonia is virtually intact

According to our beloved President,only 65% of the Amazon rain forest is intact and we have to do much more work on this issue.I think you are not reading our National Newspapers,nor understanding what Dr.Brown is trying to say.Look, I am a very nationalistic about our country and Dr.Brown is saying that we Brazilians do not have to repeat the errors of the Canadians,Americans or the Europeans or the Chinese for that matter.

Why destroy our beloved Amazonia? It is ours and we have to take care of it.

Canadians, Americans, and Europeans are very much involved in the destruction of the Amazon. If you take a trip on BR-163 in Mato Grosso and Para, which I did last summer, you will see Cargill, Bunge, ADM, John Deer, etc. They also buy the products that come from the rgion.

There is more than friendly advice about not making same mistakes in these messages. Some of them advocate the internationalization of the forest. They also blame the Brazilian government for everything that is going on. While the government has much to do with the story, the multinationals from the rich countries are also to blame. They finance quite a bit of the agriculture (soybean, corn, cotton, etc.) that is taking place throughout the region, especially its southern portion.

By the way, Joao, stop kissing ass.

By the way, Joao, stop kissing ass.

And you Luigi,stop being naive. You are the kind of guy who will work for Cargil,John Deer,Bunge,etc; if they pay you 3 minimum salaries and help them to destroy my beloved Rain Forest.

Stop lecturing me,because I have been to the Amazons several times and I love that place.btw, what the f**k the Politicians from PA,AM, etc are doing to prevent Cargil and the rest of the companies you mentioned from destroying it. NOTHING. Think twice before answering my question..

simple learn by our mistakes we did

cut a tree plant 2
stop deforestation by not letting your politicans sell off your the rain forest to the higest bidder, and then ask where does the money go .

look at the beaches in rio and sp state and talk about the rivers , we are trying , you have not started in brasil yet

your language is a dirty as your goverment ,and the rivers of your country .
lets clean them booth up

the only difference of a kiss ass to having ones head up his ass is depth preception
we know by your post your eye sight is as poor as your insite

No, I would not work for them. But, you certainly seem to enjoy kissing gringo ass! Maybe you would.

You must be related to Forest Gump. You certainly think and write like him. Third grader?

Once the Amazon forest will be destroyed by greedy entrepreneurs and corrupt politicians both the sons of the Gringos and the sons of Nationalist Brazilians won't have air left to breathe,,,

Neo-Luddism and the Mother Earth News.

[No, I would not work for them/quote]

If they increase your wages to 5 minimum salaries?

But, you certainly seem to enjoy kissing gringo ass!

Not really.I dont need their money.But I think you should make all the efforts to get into Cargill and tell them to save our Rain forest or team up with ch.c to bring in Swiss multinationals to destroy the "River of the World". You might even kiss the ass of ch.c to bring in some Swiss chocolates to be distributed to the Politicians in AM ,PA,Mt and MS.

You have a long way to go my friend, and I hope you are filing your income tax returns with RF.RF is very nasty,in case yu havent realized it.

Oh Joao, you are so much brighter than I am. I can't handle it!!! You are already there and I still have such a long way to go kissing the ass of those who see us as inferior and as incapable of solving our problems.

"Once the Amazon forest will be destroyed by greedy entrepreneurs and corrupt politicians both the sons of the Gringos and the sons of Nationalist Brazilians won't have air left to breathe,,,"

OK Luca, how much are you Italians willing to reduce your consumption? People seemed busy enjoying the good life the last time I was there. How much protective barriers against third-world agricultural products is your government willing to eliminate, so people in Africa, Latin America, etc., can also have a decent standard of living? Statements about sons of gringos and nationalists are cheap. I want to know how your country, and the rest of Europe, North America, and Australia, will contribute to an equitable or democratic way of solving global environmental problems. This thing of Brazil, China, India, etc., having to stop our economic development so you guys can enjoy overconsumption will no longer work. By the way, while I do believe in protecting Amazonia, the "lungs of the world" thesis is dead. Most of the oxygen we breath comes from the oceans (90%?). How much is Italy doing to protect its surrounding coast? Haven't you guys overfished and polluted it? I think you should also know that quite a bit of the iron ore that comes from Prejeto Carajas, one of the most environmentally destructive projects in the Amazon region, goes to Europe, including you beloved Italy. So, until you tell me that Europeans, Americans, Australian, etc., are willing to change their lifestyle so that Brazilians, Chinese, Indians, Gutemalans, South Africans, etc., can rise above poverty, I will continue to think of you as a hypocrite.

By the way, someone needs to do something about the pollution surrounding the Basilica in Florence. That thing is turning quite dark with all the smoke coming from cars and buses.

I still have such a long way to go kissing the ass of those who see us as inferior and as incapable of solving our problems

I NEVER said that we are INFERIOR to anybody and incapable of solving our problems.We are as good as anybody and should learn more how to negotiate with our trading partners as well as demand from our politicians to protect our interests.That is all I want to say and if I offended you by stressing this point, I apologise.

By the way, someone needs to do something about the pollution surrounding the Basilica in Florence

I havent been there,though I have read about it. I am sure our Italo-Brazilian engineers can fix it

btw, I know a few good Brazilian Engineers who know how to do it,provided the "Prefeitura" of Florence is willing to pay a good sum of money to us!!