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Flipping Places: Japanese in Brazil and Brazilians in Japan PDF Print E-mail
2008 - January 2008
Written by Allen Mendenhall   
Saturday, 05 January 2008 17:20

Liberdade neighborhood in downtown São Paulo It is winter 2006. It is dusk. The snow is piled a foot high on the ground. I trudge awkwardly through it in my galoshes, a commodity I had until recently known only through stories - I being from the warmer climate of Marietta, Georgia. Most the shops are closed or are closing. A few shop owners bow casually and mutter "konbanwa" as I pass - a tactic for soliciting a final sale before dusk. I am hungry; I am looking for dinner.

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Oops
written by Giuliana Lopes, January 06, 2008
Oops...I guess I am this witty Giuliana.... smilies/grin.gif
Japanese immigration in Brazil
written by Eduardo C., January 06, 2008
It is interesting the history of the Japanese colony in Brazil. In my city Campo Grande, Mato Grosso do Sul, we have a very big Okinawa colony. Every Saturday we have a especial market, where they make (Soba) and other foods from Okinawa. My grandfather always told me the history from the immigrants.
They were very hard workers, usually they work on agriculture. Many people use to think it was a strange way of life..Before the South Brazil migrants especially from Rio Grande do Sul in the end of 60´s came to work on it. Before it was used for cattle farms only. And on WW2 the Japanese suffered a lot with discriminations. The not Japanese people make boycotts on there commerce, putting shields: (Where is the Emperor? ) I have good friends living in Japan. Most son or grandchildren of these Japanese. I think there is a very Strong bond between Brazilians and Japanese in our days.
Eduardo C
written by João da Silva, January 06, 2008
And on WW2 the Japanese suffered a lot with discriminations. The not Japanese people make boycotts on there commerce, putting shields:


Dudo, you are absolutely right. But don't forget how the German immigrants in the South that were discriminated against during the WW II. The Germans in the remote corners of SC/RS did not have access to schools and could not speak Portuguese well. During the war, they were forbidden to speak German! The most disgusting thing was that many German Brazilians did not even know who Hitler was and still they were considered to be Nazis!!

However, Nippo Brazilians are doing very well indeed and so are the German Brazilians. I am glad that you guys in MS like and appreciate them for having contributed to your state.

BTW, I am sure that you know that this year 2008 is the 100th anniversary of the arrival of first Japanese immigrants to Brazil. The emperor is supposed to visit the country to participate in the commemorative events.
Fantastic article
written by John Miller, January 07, 2008
Hi, congratulations on such a wonderful article.
I really enjoy reading these articles about immigration to Brasil, as I am also an immigrant, but from Australia.
And whilst the number of migrants from Australia to Brasil is very very small, the migration from Brasil to Australia has been quite significant, and has made a very significant cultural contribution to Australia's diversity of culture.
Perhaps in 100 years there will be an article about Australia and Brasil immigration, both countries I feel are benefiting from the cross cultural ties., Australian meat pies sold on the beach in Ipanema,
Vegemite served at cafe de manha in the hotels of SP, cricket on the beach in Copa, and of course vice versa; pao de queijo for breakfast in Sydney, feijoado on saturday at Bondi, Brasilian BBQ restuarants in Alice Springs, etc.


Aspiring author needs character
written by MPB, January 08, 2008
Not a terrible article, but the language/style of it needs to lose the overly-flowery language. Describe in unique detail, but don't bother if it's gonna be generic, I think.

It also reflects the author's highly insulated experience in Brasil (Driving to Liberdade?!). Many of the Japanese here are still highly racist and exclusionary, just like their mother country (see recent article on Nippo-Brasilians returning to Japan here on Brazzil). Just today I was walking down Av Paulista and saw something mind-blowing - a Japanese lady was walking by some some poor african-brasilians from the periphery or maybe a favela, and she was desperately covering her mouth as though she was going to catch some disease from them. I'm still amazed by that one; maybe she's from Japan visiting SP, which would explain but not condone it...

Likewise, the only time I've felt tension regarding mixed couples in Brasil was walking around Liberdade with my (mildly) african girlfriend (I'm euro-american).

And I don't think Brazil can be blamed for having a too-harsh policy against Japanese during WWII. Just look at the policies of the U.S. during that time.
MPB
written by João da Silva, January 08, 2008
a Japanese lady was walking by some some poor african-brasilians from the periphery or maybe a favela, and she was desperately covering her mouth as though she was going to catch some disease from them. I'm still amazed by that one; maybe she's from Japan visiting SP, which would explain


I think that the Japanese lady was from Osaka, Yokahoma or some small town in the interior of Japan. Nippo Brazilian ladies do not act that way.

Likewise, the only time I've felt tension regarding mixed couples in Brasil was walking around Liberdade with my (mildly) african girlfriend (I'm euro-american).


Now you are getting dramatic and throwing mud on Brazil. If you have traveled around Brazil, you would have noticed that nobody gets curious about mixed couples. Btw, what the heck is an euro-american, a new currency?

And I don't think Brazil can be blamed for having a too-harsh policy against Japanese during WWII.


Very nice of you for having absolved Brasil . How about the Brazilian government going after the German Brazilians during WW2.

Aspiring author needs character


The author does have character and I liked his article. On the contrary, you give me an impression that you are a racist by heart and your racism is directed to folks from Japan,China, Mongolia, etc;
joao da silva
written by PA, January 08, 2008
"Now you are getting dramatic and throwing mud on Brazil. If you have traveled around Brazil, you would have noticed that nobody gets curious about mixed couples. Btw, what the heck is an euro-american, a new currency?"

There you go again Joao always making excuses for brazilian behavior, who are you to speak on other people's experiences; did the government named you the brazilian speaker.
Euro-american
written by A Brazilian, January 08, 2008
That surely sounds like a new currency. Haha.
PA
written by João da Silva, January 08, 2008
did the government named you the brazilian speaker.


Nope. I belong to the opposition.

BTW, I addressed my comments to MPB and here you come defend him. I presume you are also another "Euro American"

Would be interested in knowing the current exchange rate for "Euro American" in terms of Reais.
João da Silva
written by MPB, January 09, 2008
Judging from your reading ability you have no credentials to laud anyones writing ability.

Now you are getting dramatic and throwing mud on Brazil. If you have traveled around Brazil, you would have noticed that nobody gets curious about mixed couples. Btw, what the heck is an euro-american, a new currency?


If you read what I wrote, I never said there was a problem "around Brazil." I said I noticed noticing in Liberdade, something which never happens elsewhere. So how much I've traveled Brazil has nothing to do with what I said. Maybe it was a tourist from Japan, I don't know. But I do know there's a lot of Japanese Brazilians who don't even speak Portuguese, so one has to wonder just how much they've been enculturated by Brazil.

Very nice of you for having absolved Brasil . How about the Brazilian government going after the German Brazilians during WW2.


Wow! The Germans in Southern Brazil were forbidden from speaking German! Oh the humanity, that a country with an official language requires its citizens to speak that language. Worse things were happening in other countries, like the USA.

you give me an impression that you are a racist by heart and your racism is directed to folks from Japan,China, Mongolia, etc;


Actually I'm a bit of an Asian-phile regarding art, food and culture, which is why I'm acutely aware of the extreme racism in Japan. Any country that had it's doors completely closed to immigration until the mid 19th century is going to have that, I guess. It's unfortunate but completely true; in Japanese popular culture they're barely out of the sambo depiction of Africans.

Where you got China and Mongolia from I don't know...
MPB
written by João da Silva, January 09, 2008
Judging from your reading ability you have no credentials to laud anyones writing ability.


You are very fast in judging people.You are right . I do suffer from reading,writing and speaking impairments.

I said I noticed noticing in Liberdade, something which never happens elsewhere.


If you felt uncomfortable in "Liberdade", why bother to go there and spend your hard earned money? Why not ignore that place?

But I do know there's a lot of Japanese Brazilians who don't even speak Portuguese, so one has to wonder just how much they've been enculturated by Brazil.


I don't think that you fully read the article of Allen Mendanhall.. The original immigrants from Japan could not speak Portuguese,but their children (Nissei) and the grand children (Sansei) could speak it fluently. In fact many can speak English, Spanish and French. Believe me when I say it, because I have plenty of nice friends among them.

Wow! The Germans in Southern Brazil were forbidden from speaking German! Oh the humanity, that a country with an official language requires its citizens to speak that language.


It is true about the Germans. But they survived and now can speak Portuguese, German and English (Spanish and French included)

Actually I'm a bit of an Asian-phile regarding art, food and culture, which is why I'm acutely aware of the extreme racism in Japan.


What sort of Asian food and culture do you like?

Any country that had it's doors completely closed to immigration until the mid 19th century is going to have that, I guess.


MPB, again you miss the point. Japan was never a country for immigrants. Just consider the size and population of that country. Please do re read the article of Allen Mendanhall and also the comments made by John Miller and Eduardo C (btw, they are very smart commentators too). I don't know if you have ever read the books written by James Clavel , who was also an "Euro American" like you. If you ever have an opportunity, please do read "Shogun". You will understand what I am talking about.

Where you got China and Mongolia from I don't know...


Sorry, friend, I got this impression, when you mentioned that you were an Euro American. I have come across many Europeans that call the people from these countries "Slit Eyes". I thought you were one of those racist Euros. I guess this is not in your case.

Good luck with your (mildly) African girl friend and bear in mind that there are prettier places to visit in Brazil, than "Liberdade" smilies/smiley.gif
Joao da silva
written by PA, January 09, 2008
"BTW, I addressed my comments to MPB and here you come defend him. I presume you are also another "Euro American".

And Thank God I am, unlike a Muddie like you.
Euro-Americans MPB and PA
written by supus, January 10, 2008
Who the hell uses the term Euro-American? Are your parents directly from Europe or something? What multicultural, white guilt, rock did you guys crawl out from under? Let me guess, at least one of you has a Shamrock tattooed on his chest and claims to be Irish even though his last ancestor to stagger off the boat was more than a hundred years ago. Do me a favor, if you guys are Euro-Americans please go back to Europe and leave the US to the rest of us who are white, black, brown whatever Americans.
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written by PA, January 10, 2008
"Euro-Americans MPB and PA"
written by supus, 2008-01-09 20:09:56
Who the hell uses the term Euro-American? Are your parents directly from Europe or something? What multicultural, white guilt, rock did you guys crawl out from under? Let me guess, at least one of you has a Shamrock tattooed on his chest and claims to be Irish even though his last ancestor to stagger off the boat was more than a hundred years ago. Do me a favor, if you guys are Euro-Americans please go back to Europe and leave the US to the rest of us who are white, black, brown whatever Americans.

Well, just because you don't use the term Euro-American, doesn't mean it is not used, if you haven;t heard it before now you have. I hav eno white guilt nor are my ancestors Irish as youare assuming, ther eare alot of countries in Europe the last time i checked, whether it was 100 yrs ago or not, then you should also leave as you don't belong here just as much as i do. That is of course unless you're a descendant of the Natives.
Euro-Americans MPB and PA
written by supus, January 10, 2008
Who the hell uses the term Euro-American? Are your parents directly from Europe or something? What multicultural, white guilt, rock did you guys crawl out from under? Let me guess, at least one of you has a Shamrock tattooed on his chest and claims to be Irish even though his last ancestor to stagger off the boat was more than a hundred years ago. Do me a favor, if you guys are Euro-Americans please go back to Europe and leave the US to the rest of us who are white, black, brown whatever Americans.
PA
written by supus, January 10, 2008
Of course I have heard the term Euro-American before, I asked who uses it, not who has heard it. And it was a rhetorical question. We all know exactly who uses it...the same type of politically correct Douche Bag who groups all Native Americans together as victims and doesn't realize they were disparate groups doing the exact same thing to each other that some white men did to them...Killing and conquering. The "Natives" didn't all arrive at the same time either, they crossed what is now the Bering Strait in different groups and at different times, so perhaps using your logic the majority should be called Asia-Americans (since Asian American is already taken) and should not be considered "natives" either. You are native if you are born somewhere. Different groups have moved from one place to another and conquered and settled land previously held by others throughout history. I do wonder though...is it an Italian flag you have tattooed on your chest? Just a guess...Mr. Euro
"EURO-AMERICAN...?????"
written by Yowser, January 10, 2008
EURO-AMERICAN...?????
bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
ROFLMAO!!!!

...now that I stopped laughing, I'm going to forward this article to my friend Jason who dated a Nippo-Brazilian here in the U.S. and he went back with her to Brazil and toured the country. He was amazed at the beauty and vistas of Brazil. He ended up marrying an Japanese girl from Japan.
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written by JUSSARA ZANETTI, January 10, 2008
DANIELE SUZUKI DA Dançando no gelo
ou SABRINA SATTO

êta japinhas de bunda grandona smilies/grin.gif
Euro-American???
written by ....., January 11, 2008
Those peckerwoods are from the RED states...

Costinha
Yoursei Joao
written by Simpleton, January 11, 2008
"In fact many can speak English, Spanish and French. Believe me when I say it, because I have plenty of nice friends among them." If your nice sansei friends can speak French it is likely to be limited and only because their employer is French. German and Italian would also be prevalent but maybe not from around your parts - you should get out more amongst the PBs OM.

And what's this about the REDwoods being from a peckered state Cotadaista?
Simpleton
written by João da Silva, January 12, 2008
Yoursei Joao


My friend, I knew that you would start "enchendo o meu saco", though you took a little more time than I expected for which I pardon you. Probably you are very busy enjoying the Summer (Unless our PF has not thrown you out of our country, declaring you as an "undesirable alien"). I understand your view points on the Nisseis, Sanseis , Nãoseis e Mysei.But you have to understand that these folks who came a 100 years ago had to undergo lot of ordeals and they do place lot of importance on education. The Nisseis got educated and passed on its importance to the Sanseis and they have made it big in this country. So I see nothing wrong in it. I enjoyed reading the article written by Allen Mendanhall (Is he just an American or an Euro American? With your sharp and investigative mind, you should be able to find out).

Of course, this article stimulated some interesting comments and I was called a Muddie (So what?). We also got a nice new blogger "SUPUS" who seems to be very smart and knows the history. Of course, he is just a simple American and not an Euro version. It is indeed good to have such people with open minds. Can you imagine our friends Forrest, Ric,Bo, Conceiçao and others claiming that they are "Euro Americans"?

This may encourage Costinha, "A Brazilian" and several other Brazilians in this blog to call themselves as "Euro Brazilians", which is not very good in my humble opinion.

Who knows, Forrest may start printing "Euro American " currency and Costinha might counter attack by selling T-Shirts with the slogan "X é uma merda e sempre será", X representing all the countries in U.N. Can you imagine half a dozen smiling Sanseis welcoming all the foreign tourists in Galeão and GRU and selling the T-Shirts.

BTW, it was good to hear from ya and keep your stiff upperlip.

No Need To Maintain Stiff
written by Simpleton, January 12, 2008
You needn't worry about me getting thrown out of the country by the PF - what would be the profit in it? Anyway, I knew at some point in time you'd finally reveal at least a little bit about your Niseis / Sanseis fatuation that you falsely extrapolated as if that were my fatuation some time ago. Casting of nets is best left to the pescadorae - our files on you my friend reveal much.

As to the research you suggest, the Mendenhall I know would not claim to be Euro-anything nor do I see where the author did so. Interesting that including duplicate postings, "Euro" appears 40 times in the gallery's comments, not once in the article and the article is about Nippo-Brasuca experiences in both lands with minor references to the author's return to "America" and never having seen anything like such and such in the "United States". Seems there's been a shift in derision.

Thanks for the visual - in my minds eye I can actually see that scene (they tell me I'm dual sighted and oft times see more to what is unavoidable in the future vs what has / has not been repeated in the past - need to figure out how to capitalize on that - maybe selling one t-shirt that everyone has no choice but to buy one of is the way to go ne'?).
Afro-Brazilian? WTF?
written by Shellly, January 13, 2008
a Japanese lady was walking by some some poor african-brasilians from the periphery or maybe a favela


Dear, the hyphen is only used in your country. It is used to separate literally and socially those Americans, which you "white" people like to put down. They are Brazilians, I am Brazilian even tough I am second generation Dutch (not one of us married someone from Brazil). Brazil was a place of birth and I am glad to hold my green passport! I am not Dutch-Brazilian.Americans like to claim to be Irish, German, Polish -whatever it may suit you, but you cannot be anything else but a simple American. Nothing more, nothing less. My children are 50% Dutch and 50% English, that makes it 100% European, not you that is for sure.
"That surely sounds like a new currency. Haha. " ????????
written by ch.c., January 13, 2008
But still MUCH MUCH MUCH better than your 4 (YESSSSS FOUR previous currencies) for which you cut 3 zeroes.....EACH TIME !!!!
On top of that your actual currency is still 40 % BELOW it was....a decade ago....against the "apparent" worthless US$ !!!!!!

You see that you are not so bright, contrary to what you want us to swallow !!!!!!

Quite a Short Memory....on purpose....these Brazilians !


Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahqahahah
ahahahahahahahahahahah !!!!!!!!

That surely sounds like a new currency. Haha.
written by ch.c., January 13, 2008
Ohhhhh... I forgot 1 new currency.......the last one for which you devalued by around 75 % just before you pegged it to the US$.
Stilllllllll.....you could NOT keep the peg and thus devalued again by 70 % !!!!!!!!!

End results ?
TEN THOUSANDS BILLION OR SO OF YOUR 1930'S CURRENCY are needed to make ONE 2008 Brazilian Reais !!!!!!!!
And then we read from Brazilians that the US$ is worth nothing !!!!!

Hmmmmmmm...I suggest you go to basic school learning basic maths.
To "ch.c"...there is nothing "worthless" about the weak US$
written by Yowser, January 15, 2008
Benefits of a "weak" U.S. dollar:
• U.S. made goods (including Boeing airplanes) cost less, so the U.S. exports (from autos, industrial products, software, raw products, merchandise, etc) increase, improving the U.S. trade deficit. The side benefit to all this is that the international consumer is made aware of U.S. made brand names and products and this has long term positive effects for U.S. made goods.
• U.S. consumers buy less foreign made goods, a good thing for improving the U.S. trade deficit.
• All commercial aircraft purchases are made in US$, therefore Airbus' now cost a lot more. A double whammy for Airbus (decreased sales because more are buying Boeing, plus Airbus now costs more)... but good for Boeing.
• Travelling to the USA costs less for tourists, and this benefits the USA from all the money spent by an increase in tourists visiting the USA.

So before you spout off and make ignorant comments about the U.S. dollar being "worthless," you might want to learn a bit more about the subject.
Yowser
written by João da Silva, January 15, 2008
there is nothing "worthless" about the weak US$


A good analysis.

So before you spout off and make ignorant comments about the U.S. dollar being "worthless," you might want to learn a bit more about the subject.


When did Ch.c make such comments? All he said was:

And then we read from Brazilians that the US$ is worth nothing !!!!!


You have to be very careful with that Swiss fella, because once false step on your part, he will call ya a junkie. Be very careful with the Swiss.

Of course now and then Ch.c makes mistakes too and does not assume responsibility for his misdeeds. For example, he was all excited when our esteemed blogger AES told him that in the 80´s the gold hit $850/ounce. He did not believe it.

Now that the gold is over $900 today, I wonder what his analysis is. smilies/tongue.gif

Come on Ch.C, be a sport and say something smilies/grin.gif
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written by PA, January 15, 2008
"Afro-Brazilian? WTF?
written by Shellly, 2008-01-12 18:28:36
a Japanese lady was walking by some some poor african-brasilians from the periphery or maybe a favela
Dear, the hyphen is only used in your country. It is used to separate literally and socially those Americans, which you "white" people like to put down.

-Your above comment is totally untrue you would like others to believe tht it is. Inthis country people hilite theri ethnicity because they are proud of it, unlike in Brazil wher epeople pick & choose who they prefer to say their descendants of if it suits them.-

They are Brazilians, I am Brazilian even tough I am second generation Dutch (not one of us married someone from Brazil). Brazil was a place of birth and I am glad to hold my green passport!

-And why should you be so proud to hold up that green passport, i wouldn't, the immigration customs cringe eveyrtime they see one, i guess you can figure out why!-

-AND I AM VVRY PROUD TO HOLD UYP MY BLUE PASSPORT, IT'S WELCOME EVERYWHERE-
PA the idiot
written by Shellly, January 18, 2008
And why should you be so proud to hold up that green passport, i wouldn't, the immigration customs cringe eveyrtime they see one, i guess you can figure out why!-

-AND I AM VVRY PROUD TO HOLD UYP MY BLUE PASSPORT, IT'S WELCOME EVERYWHERE-


Actually, I have 3. You have only one? How sad. Your passport is not welcome everywhere, Can you visit Cuba?

My green passport allows me to go SAFELY in every country in this world, how about you?

Your above comment is totally untrue you would like others to believe tht it is. Inthis country people hilite theri ethnicity because they are proud of it, unlike in Brazil wher epeople pick & choose who they prefer to say their descendants of if it suits them.-


You are truly myopic. Here from OXFAM:

This week, as the United States celebrates the life of slain civil rights leader Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., Oxfam's US partners continue the struggle, calling for the US Department of Agriculture to end decades of damaging racial discrimination.

The USDA's record of racial discrimination is well documented. In 1997, the USDA Civil Rights Action Team (CRAT) revealed decades of racial discrimination that had put thousands of African-American farmers out of business. By denying or delaying loans essential to financing their crops, and by withholding other federal farm support on a widespread basis, USDA employees forced African American farmers to lose their land, their livelihoods, and their communities. According the CRAT report, "In the Southeast, for example, in several states it took three times as long on average to process African-American loan applications as it did non-minority applications." "In 1994, 94% of all county committees [that grant these loans] had no female or minority representation." That pattern of non-representation continues today.

Discrimination by the USDA has contributed to the dramatic decline in the number of minority farmers over several decades. In 1920, there were 925,000 African American farmers in the United States; by 1992, there were fewer than 18,000. Fifteen years before the CRAT report, the U.S. Civil Rights Commission had warned, "unless government policies of neglect and discrimination are changed, there may be no black farmers by the year 2000."

In 1999, on the heels of the CRAT report, a class action racial discrimination suit (Pigford vs. Glickman) was settled with an agreement to provide financial restitution. To date, more than $630 million has been paid out to farmers and former farmers who could document that they were unfairly denied loans. However, three years later, the USDA's delays and rejection of thousands of applications points to a continued pattern of discrimination in the grant approval process.

Since the 1999 suit, only four of the USDA employees accused of discrimination have been dismissed. As Congresswoman Eva Clayton in the House Agriculture Committee points out, "If any corporation paid out [even] $10 million for the behavior of their employee...they would be out of there...No one would have tolerated that."

"Has USDA settlement changed anything?" is the title of a December 15, 2002, article in the Richmond Times-Dispatch, citing numerous cases of on going discrimination. A particularly outrageous case involved a USDA employee, Arthur Hall, who greeted a new African-American secretary with a noose in his office. The USDA's general counsel for civil rights, Arlean Leland, who investigated the incident, dismissed his act as nothing more than "very poor judgment" and praised Hall as a "committed federal public servant." The message to USDA employees from her decision is that discrimination may continue as usual.

Two Oxfam partners, the Rural Coalition and the Federation of Southern Cooperatives/Land Assistance Fund, in alliance with the NAACP and unions representing USDA employees, have called for the dismissal of Arlean Leland. They demand that the USDA rout out discrimination against minority farmers throughout the organization. "The answer is not more taxpayer-funded sensitivity training for employees who have refused for more than six years to change," said the Rural Coalition's chairperson, John Zippert. "The President himself must tell federal employees that no more racism will be tolerated, and those who discriminate will suffer serious consequences. Then those consequences must happen."
Human Rights Watch---Racial discrimination against Blacks in America
written by Shellly, January 18, 2008
Pa, perhaps you should contact some of my Black co-workers. Yesterday we had a nice conversation about the fact that in the South there are people still burning crosses. Does it get in the media? NOPE, because as they said, it happens and nobody really cares. African-American is a discriminatory word, used to separate, not unite. In Britain, a black is British, a Chinese born in the U.K is British, in France is French and so on.

Only in America, people from all cultures are hyphenated. Afro-Brazilian doesn't exist in our country. Still discrimination is rampant, however for all matters they are Brazilians. Sorry to burst your bubble again, but we have a large population of immigrants in our country. My husband and myself are dumbfounded by Americans "need" to say that they are EURO-AMERICANS. Let me give you an insight, in Europe you are a Yankee, NOT EURO anything.
Human Rights Watch link
written by Shellly, January 18, 2008
PA doesn't know the history of his own country. Oh, this is a common theme found across this vast land!!! smilies/wink.gif

http://www.hrw.org/reports/2000/usa/Rcedrg00-01.htm
PA you are a joke
written by Shellly, January 18, 2008
Here dear, before you bark your nonsense, just do a google search on Is African American a derogatory word? And see for yourself the answers!!!

A kid asked this question:

Why do they still use the term: African-American. I was born in America and Im pretty sure that Im American. I've never been to Africa I dont know of any family in Africa so whats the deal?


Several answers were given, therefore PA you are wrong and knows absolutely ZERO.

http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/366787
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written by PA, January 20, 2008
"PA the idiot
written by Shellly, 2008-01-18 02:05:33
And why should you be so proud to hold up that green passport, i wouldn't, the immigration customs cringe eveyrtime they see one, i guess you can figure out why!-
-AND I AM VVRY PROUD TO HOLD UYP MY BLUE PASSPORT, IT'S WELCOME EVERYWHERE-
Actually, I have 3. You have only one? How sad. Your passport is not welcome everywhere, Can you visit Cuba?
My green passport allows me to go SAFELY in every country in this world, how about you?

=Your making way to many assumptions, How do you know i have only One passport? I don't, i have two. So whether you have 3 & i 2 to me is irrevelant. the point being i can also go to the world & feel safe, as i do travel & never encountered a problem wherever i go,especiallyt he middle east wher i just was this past summer, no problem at all. At least i know that if indeed anyething wer to happen, i can count on my government. I would hardly say that about yours=
=And yes i can go to Cuba, if i wishm with a group, look it up & don't be surprised=

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written by PA, January 20, 2008
"Human Rights Watch---Racial discrimination against Blacks in America
written by Shellly, 2008-01-18 02:15:17
Pa, perhaps you should contact some of my Black co-workers. Yesterday we had a nice conversation about the fact that in the South there are people still burning crosses. Does it get in the media? NOPE, because as they said, it happens and nobody really cares. African-American is a discriminatory word, used to separate, not unite. In Britain, a black is British, a Chinese born in the U.K is British, in France is French and so on.
Only in America, people from all cultures are hyphenated. Afro-Brazilian doesn't exist in our country. Still discrimination is rampant, however for all matters they are Brazilians. Sorry to burst your bubble again, but we have a large population of immigrants in our country. My husband and myself are dumbfounded by Americans "need" to say that they are EURO-AMERICANS. Let me give you an insight, in Europe you are a Yankee, NOT EURO anything".

=I do not speak to your co-workers about anything, they do not speak for the rest of america, although i may sympathise with them, i have friends of all colors, religions, ethnicities, etc. and they don't feel like that at all. Bad & inexecusable things happen everywhere, that doesn't mean that peopel are not aware of them, once found they will be brought to justice,etc. unlike in your country.
i call your attention to your own website that you hilighted about the definition of AFrican-Americans-
http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/63386
And "African Americans or black Americans are citizens or residents of the United States who have origins in any of the black racial groups of Africa.[1] In the United States the term is generally used for Americans with sub-Saharan African ancestry. Most African Americans are the descendants of captive Africans who survived slavery within the boundaries of the present United States, although some are—or are descended from—voluntary immigrants from Africa, the Caribbean, South America, or elsewhere".
Now that's not to say that they are not Americans, everyone in America is an American regardless of their race, ethnicity,etc.-


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written by PA, January 20, 2008
you & your hubby's assertion that in England ther eis no Racism is an absurdity, i hav ebeen to england & know people that have lived there & they don't tellthe same story you are attemtoing to convey. Hence the following websites among many:

http://www.caribvoice.org/Features/racism.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_by_country#United_Kingdom
PA
written by Shellly, January 21, 2008
My mistake, you certainly have way too many spelling mistakes to be an American. Anyway,
you & your hubby's assertion that in England ther eis no Racism is an absurdity,


I never said that. Go back to my posts and point it. What I said was that a Black person in England is British. Not in America. The hyphen is to divide and conquer. A white person is an American, not anything else hyphenated. Thus, African-American divides. My friends are black and they speak for their race and the situation in this country. You can only go to Cuba IF you gov. allows it. I worked in the travel industry and know the rules. You need to be PRE_APPROVED. I DON'T. What does if feel like to travel and have you government post alerts on several regions? Sure is a good job, but we don't even need to worry about it.

shelly
written by PA, January 21, 2008
"PA
written by Shellly, 2008-01-20 22:08:34
My mistake, you certainly have way too many spelling mistakes to be an American. Anyway,
you & your hubby's assertion that in England there is no Racism is an absurdity,
I never said that. Go back to my posts and point it. What I said was that a Black person in England is British. Not in America. The hyphen is to divide and conquer. A white person is an American, not anything else hyphenated. Thus, African-American divides. My friends are black and they speak for their race and the situation in this country. You can only go to Cuba IF you gov. allows it. I worked in the travel industry and know the rules. You need to be PRE_APPROVED. I DON'T. What does if feel like to travel and have you government post alerts on several regions? Sure is a good job, but we don't even need to worry about it".

-you should also go back & check your misspelings dear, everyone does them,s o stop Bulls**ting-
-as far as your contention that the - is used to seperate, i disagree, anyone inthis country, americans, legal aliens, etc black or white are consider americans, if your co-workers feel differently then they should look further, because the blacks i know do not feel that way at all, they ar eall americans inthe end just like white's, whether you like it or not.
Just like in brazil or england where they may lead youto believe that you are one of them, that is not so here, regardless of our differences in color or issues at the end of the day we are all americans-
João da Silva
written by Eduardo C., January 25, 2008
Independente de sua nacionalidade,você é uma pessoa totalmente equilibrada neste blog. Pois sabe criticar e ver ao mesmo tempo as coisas boas do BRASIL.Gostaria de voltar, mas lendo as anotações de alguns que nem conhecem o país ao certo, me fazem desabrochar.
Lembranças
PA
written by Shellly, January 28, 2008
Just like in brazil or england where they may lead youto believe that you are one of them, that is not so here, regardless of our differences in color or issues at the end of the day we are all americans-


PA you contention of the Black race proves that you are a bigot. White Americans are not hyphenated, only those who have a slight dark skin, Asian look. People usually are surprise that I am from Brazil, but then again I love to give them lessons in history and geography and educate your people on world history. A African-American is discriminated twice in this country and it will until people like you are gone from the face of the earth. But them again another a*****e will take its place.
PA
written by Shellly, January 28, 2008
Your friends are the unusual type or are you a liar? I would go for the second choice since most blacks in this country continue to suffer severe discrimination. Explain one thing pea brain, why is that jails around your country have more black man than whites? Why is that a white junkie usually gets a lower sentence and a black person is ultimately given the highest punishment possible? Why is that in inner cities, the schools with higher black population are the worst performing? Why is the the JENNA6 case and the other noose displays are so common in the South and even in northern states?

Please revisit your history and stop this bulls**t that Americans don't discriminate. You are a bigot.
I hate Japanese!!!
written by ccc, January 28, 2008
Japanese is the most brutal and completely without shame people in the world! They hurt our people, steal our culture and disguise themselves as the justice!! smilies/angry.gif
I hate despicable Japanese and I trust most of Asian will support me!

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