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What Brazil Can Learn from the US on Race and Education PDF Print E-mail
Written by Francis Wardle   
Tuesday, 04 March 2008 11:30

A classroom in Brazil Since 1996 I have had the pleasure of visiting Brazil many times. On each of these occasions I have visited schools, creches (nurseries), kindergartens, and NGOs. The schools visited include municipal, state and federal public schools, private schools, and schools where students attend for a few days at a time (language and arts schools).

I have also talked to principals, teachers, and students in these schools, and education professors and students at local universities. My observations are, of course, viewed through the prism of an American educator who teaches both at the university and community college level.

I am also very familiar with the American multiracial education movement. In my Brazilian observations I have learned a great deal about Brazil's early childhood programs and schools. While I believe Brazil must develop her own, unique solutions to the scourge of racism in her schools, I believe she can benefit from the overall educational approach used in the United States, not to mention specific multicultural educational strategies.

These ideas include recognizing the severity of the problem, adopting a multicultural approach, including all cultures and peoples equally within the curriculum, providing alternative methods for students to enter college, targeting federal resources to the poorest schools, and using a variety of instructional approaches in the classroom.

Racist School Presentation

On one of my many visits to Brazil to study schools, creches and NGOs, I had the opportunity to observe a group of gifted performers present a program to children in a municipal school. The children sat on the floor in a typical Brazilian educational space that was half indoors and half outdoors.

The performance was presented on a stage and local community members also enjoyed the activity from behind a fence. The young performers were paid by a federal agency for the express purpose of providing culture and educational enrichment for children in public schools.

The play is a collection of vignettes taken from a variety of popular fairy tales, including Cinderella, Sleeping Beauty, and many others. Between each scene one of the performers plays her guitar and sings a beautiful song. Many of the teachers join in the chorus; apparently it's a well-known song.

Large puppets that the actors place on their feet and then attach to their bodies provide the action. There are also a few props, including a ship (for the pirate), a blue butterfly, and some cute green bugs. The presentation is very well done, and captivates the children, even though it is quite long by American standards.

While I watch the action on the set, I am really more interested in watching the children. They are a rich combination of browns  -  brown skin and brown hair. The girls have their hair in a variety of styles: tight braids held with colorful barrettes, curly hair loosely framing their faces, and two simple braids. All the children have big, brown eyes, and enthusiastic, open faces.

The plot is the old standby of a beautiful princess looking for a husband. She is visited by a variety of suitors, including a black prince who is quite ugly and engages in stereotypical behavior - dancing and being silly. Finally the princess chooses a pirate to marry so that she can travel and see the world. (Wardle, 2005a, p. 2)

The presentation was extremely well done, and the children, teachers and community members enjoyed it greatly, and clapped enthusiastically.

But I was stunned by the racism.

The beautiful princess was a blonde, blue-eyed princess; the man she eventually decided to marry was a white-skinned, European-looking pirate.

After the presentation in the municipal public school the principal and some of her teachers graciously took me on a tour of the school. We visited classrooms, talked to children, and got a real feel for the school and the commitment of the principal and her staff.

On our way to the principal's office to eat lunch, I observed the three performers from the earlier presentation. I mustered the courage to ask my translator if he would pose a question to the actors for me. He asked my question:

"All of the little girls watching the play have beautiful brown skin, brown hair and brown eyes. Why did you make the princess a blue-eyed blonde? Why did you tell each of these young girls that they couldn't be a princess?" I could have added, "and why did you tell each of the boys watching your presentation they could not be a successful suitor for the princess?" (Wardle, 2005a, p. 4)

According to my translator, they were quite upset with my question, but finally gave me several answers:

* In the four years we have given this presentation, you are the first person to ask this question.

* We tried to change the traditional fairy tales. This is why we included a Negro (black) prince, and why the princess chose a pirate, so she could travel and see the world.

* This princess is the symbol of female beauty in Brazil (Wardle, 2005a).

An American Perspective

I viewed this presentation from the perspective of an American educator schooled in multicultural approaches to education. "Multiculturalism incorporates the idea that all students  - regardless of their gender and social class and their ethnic, racial or cultural characteristics  -  should have an equal opportunity to learn in school (Banks and Banks, 2004, pp. 3).

Multicultural education in the United States developed as a direct result of the 1965 Civil Rights Act, which guaranteed all minorities in the United States legal equality, including students in public schools. It gained considerable popularity during the 1980s (Banks and Banks, 2004).

It now includes pre-K programs, K-12 grade public schools, and colleges and universities. American multicultural education has many components, but "accepts and affirms the pluralism (ethnic, racial, linguistic, religious, economic, and gender among others) that students, their communities, and teachers reflect" (Nieto, 2004, p. 437).

I do not believe that Brazilian educators should adopt our multicultural approach without critical analysis. Brazil has very different contextual parameters when compared to the United States; further, there are aspects of our multicultural education approach that do not work (discussed later in the article), and we still have important work to do in this area. Let's look at the three answers to my question through the perspective of American educational approaches and attitudes.

You Are the First to Ask This Question

If this is true, and I have no reason to believe it is not, then the educational establishment in Brazil has no understanding of the heavy negative psychological impact racism can have on the healthy development of children of color, and on their learning and overall educational success.

The research by Sandra Leila de Paul and Simone Loiola de Ferreira powerfully illustrates that children in public schools in Brazil have very negative and stereotypical views of black and dark-skinned children and people (2005). My extensive interview of a mixed-race college student (African/Amerindian/white) further confirmed the extreme pain and negative psychological damage caused by the very popular children's TV programs of Xuxa, a blond host with identically cloned blond, blue-eyed assistants.

This student reported that both the students and teachers in her schools compared her hair and complexion negatively to Xuxa and her attendants, and made derogatory comments about her dark skin (Wardle, 2005b). What made this comparison particularly destructive was the view by the children and teachers that a blond-haired, blue-eyed European prototype not only represents the ideal Brazilian female beauty, but also symbolizes a higher cultural and academic potential of European-looking students.

In the United States our approach to teaching healthy identity development, including gender and race/ethnicity, is framed through several theoretical lenses, including Piaget, Vygotsky and Bandura. Piaget has powerfully demonstrated that young children are concrete learners, learning all their basic concepts through direct experiences (Piaget, 1963).

This means that children in our educational programs learn from teachers, other children, visual images on the walls, and curricular and instructional materials. Vygotsky's work has helped us understand that children learn new ideas and reinforce existing concepts through their social interactions with other children and adults, including teachers (Vygotsky, 1978).

Clearly, if teachers and children have negative and stereotypical views of people of color, (those with darker skin and curlier hair), these negative views will be adopted by children of color themselves, and negatively impact their self-concept development and learning.

And, finally, Bandura's social learning theory has demonstrated the powerful impact of the models that children look up to, such as TV personalities and teachers in their schools (Bandura, 1963). If the princess in the story is the European ideal prototype, all the children will constantly compare their dark, wavy hair, dark eyes, and dark skin to the princess's straight, blond hair, white skin and blue eyes. And they will come up short.

In the United States we use ideas from these three theorists and the overall multicultural educational approach to make sure that curricular materials represent children and people with a variety of racial, ethnic, and language backgrounds, and with different abilities and of both genders (Nieto, 2004; Wardle & Cruz-Janzen, 2004; York, 2003).

We also are very careful to avoid stereotypes, and thus would not portray an African prince as comical and always dancing. Teachers are taught in college and in professional development sessions about the negative impact of holding one kind of person and one culture superior to other people and cultures, and of the critical need to empower every child to feel good about their physical characteristics and learning potential (York, 2003).

However, Brazil must avoid a fundamental mistake of American multicultural education: using the single-race/ethnicity approach to culture and identity (Wardle, 1999). This is a practice that places all people and cultures within basic, single- racial/ethnic groups defined by the US Census: Black or African American; American Indian or Alaskan Native; Asian, Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander; White or Caucasian, and Latino (Wardle & Cruz-Janzen, 2004).

The single-group approach does not work in the United States because there are many children in our schools who do not fit into any one of these groups; it would be even more problematic in Brazil, which has a very large, diverse and rich mixed-race population.

Adapting a Traditional European Fairytale

One of the challenges Brazil must face in addressing racism in schools is that, to a very large extent Brazil views its European cultural background as highly superior to all the other influences on its culture, including Afro-Brazilian, Amerindian, non-European immigrants, and its own unique Brazilian culture (created out of an amalgamation of all Brazilian peoples). European folk tales are preferred to Amerindian, Black or Asian folk tales, or even Brazilian tales that have developed throughout Brazil's unique and rich cultural history.

In the Untied States we have made considerable progress in this area, including acknowledging and celebrating the histories and culture of the vast and rich diversity of Native American tribes, African Americans, Latinos and others. However, we still have a long way to go, as we do not fully represent the rich diversity of people within these large groups, or include the many new immigrants in our tales, books, and other classroom materials, and we still totally exclude and ignore any part of our own mixed-race heritage and culture (Wardle and Cruz-Janzen, 2004).

Part of the dilemma in the United States is that commercial publishers of books, curricula and curricular materials must produce enough products to make a profit, which requires each of these groups of people to be a certain size. The other huge problem is that our schools still do not collect demographic data on the total racial and ethnic diversity of children, being confined to the five over- broad US Census categories previously mentioned (Williams, 2006).

This Princess Is the Symbol of Female Beauty in Brazil

This, of course, is true. Casual observations of magazine advertisements, billboards in shopping centers, women on commercial TV, and popular fashion models both in Brazil and the US, would lead the average foreigner to believe that all Brazilian women are white or morena.

American culture also includes a whole variety of biases, prejudices and stereotypes. However, one of the central goals of multicultural education is to change these biases, and to provide students with a much more accurate and empowering view of American culture and diversity (Banks & Banks, 2004; Nieto, 2004; York, 2002).

Thus Brazilian schools need to address this European cultural bias head on. This must occur both at the university level, where teachers receive their training, and at the national level, where the national curriculum is developed, and the vestibular's content is determined.

The national curriculum must reflect the positive contributions of all Brazilians, including rich mixed-race people, to the country's culture, history, and nation-state: literature, art, architecture, dance, music, religion, industry, history, agriculture, discoveries, etc.

Structural Inequalities in Brazilian Schools

On my many visits to Brazil I studied private schools; federal, state and municipal public schools, and federal schools that children attend  -  at a cost  -  on visits from their regular schools (language and art schools in Brasília).

Of my many observations, one that sticks with me the strongest is that the poorer the school, the more children of color attend; the wealthier the schools (private and federal schools) the lighter the skin of the children who attend (Wardle, 2005b). Thus, in Brazil, race and income are very closely linked.

Unlike many others who are currently focusing on issues of racism in Brazil, I deeply believe that racism cannot be adequately addressed without addressing poverty at the same time. To me they go hand in hand.  Clearly poverty is a larger question that involves the inequitable distribution of income and wealth in Brazil. But an attempt must be made to equalize educational opportunity for all children in Brazil, regardless of their race, ethnicity and/or income.

Unequal Financial Support

The municipal public schools are funded at a far lower level than the federal schools, with the state public schools somewhere in the middle.  In one city that I visited, the municipal public school had one TV (contributed by the principal), their gym was a slab of concrete, and teachers did not have enough chalk for the chalkboard.

The lighting in the classroom was so poor that I had considerable trouble seeing children in the back of the room, and there were no books, posters or other curricular materials in any of the classrooms. In the very same town the federal public school contained its own dentist's office, they published their own educational journal, there were separate rooms for culture, play and physical therapy, and the school employed many teachers with master's degrees. I was told the students who attend this school are children of politicians and teachers at the local university (Wardle, 2005b).

Public schools in the United States are funded through a combination of three sources of money: private property taxes (homes and businesses), state budget funds, and federal dollars (the smallest amount). This approach leads to schools in wealthier districts being funded at a higher level than schools in poorer districts (inner cities and rural areas); however, in many areas the state's contribution to the local school budget has increased over the last years, and will probably continue to do so.

And almost all of the federal funds go to the poorest school districts across the country. Head Start, a multi-billion dollar federally funded program for preschool children (the year before formal school entry) is only for poor children. Head Start is a program that, I believe, Brazil could replicate effectively.

Vestibular

Brazil uses the European approach to university entrance, rather than the US approach. The European approach requires students to pass a complex variety of exams  -  in England (where I am from) they are called the A level exams. In England the average public school provides adequate preparation for students to pass these college entry-level tests, and thus parents do not have to pay for expensive private schools and tutors to prepare their students to pass these exams.

However, the irony is that, while the tax-supported universities in Brazil are free, it is virtually impossible to pass the vestibular without attending private secondary schools and paying for expensive tutors. Thus the wealthy and middle-class get a free university education, while the poor do not!

It is my understanding that the current federal administration is attempting to address this inequality. It is yet to be seen how effective they will be in eliminating the vestibular or vestibular-type assessment as the only gateway for students to receive free higher education in Brazil.

In the US there are a variety of 4-year college and university options  -  state, private and religious (there are no federal universities). We also have a vast array of community colleges  -  two-year colleges and technical schools.

Entry into US state colleges and universities (the cheapest) is through two primarily channels. The simplest way for students to enter is through a combination of a single test (SAT or ACT) and their high school grade-point average. Unlike Brazil, most public schools in the US prepare their students to be able to pass these assessments and have a high enough grade-point average to enter college.

My son, who struggled in high school due to a learning disability and who also had a very low SAT score, nonetheless was able to enter Colorado State University, due to a special program. It must be noted here that, despite what many Brazilians believe (based on my interviews), Harvard, Yale and Stanford (very expensive private schools) along with expensive religious schools such as Notre Dame, are not the only options for a university education in this country. Every state has a variety of state institutions. In Colorado, a small state by population, we have over ten four-year institutions of higher learning.

The second way for students to enter a university is to attend a community college for two years. By law these colleges must admit any student over the age of 18. If these students are incapable of doing the work at the college, the college provides remedial assistance. After completing the two-year program at the community college, a student can transfer from the community college to a four-year degree college or university.

Further, in the US there are many grants and loans for students who cannot afford to pay for a college degree. There is even a specific grant for students who are the first in their family to go to college.

It is quite accurate to say that anyone in the US who wishes to go to college can, in fact, go to college.

In Brazil the reality for poor, mostly children of color, is that they will not be able to go pursue their education beyond public school. Thus there is no motivation to do well in school. There is no long-term goal for which they can achieve, and for which their teachers can help them plan for and work towards. Thus, to a large extent, doing well in school for poor children is meaningless.

Instructional Approaches

From my observations of schools in Brazil, the most common teaching approach is the didactic approach: teacher-to-student, with the teacher as the expert and the student as the passive receiver of information. It is my experience that Brazilian educators teach almost exclusively using the verbal-linguistic and logical - mathematical intelligences described by Howard Gardner (Gardner, 1983).

Further, the poorer the school and the more minorities in the school, the more teacher-directed the approach appears to be (Wardle, 2005c). In the United States teaching approaches include a variety of methods: large group, teacher-directed approach; small group; individual, and lots of student-directed learning opportunities: projects, papers, research, etc. Some schools even include mixed-age instruction.

Further, in the United States Howard Gardner's multiple intelligences are quite popular among educators. This theory proposes that children learn through a variety of learning styles - a preference of one or more of eight intelligences (approaches to learning) (Gardner, 1983): logical-mathematical, verbal linguistic, musical, spatial, interpersonal, intrapersonal, bodily-kinesthetic, and naturalist. Teachers then provide a variety of instruction that allows students to learn though one or more of these modalities.

While all children need teaching approaches that match their own unique learning styles, and teachers who provide a variety of delivery methods beyond just teacher-directed instruction, it can be argued that children from low-income and poorly educated homes benefit most from approaches that focus on more child-directed learning and multiple intelligences.

For one thing, both these approaches place the child in the center of the curriculum, thus fulfilling John Dewey's mandate to start with the child so that instruction and learning will be personally meaningful to each child (Dewey, 1997/38).

Of course, this latter point is a direct result of my earlier observation in this article that in Brazilian schools everything European is considered superior to anything that is uniquely Brazilian, Afro-Brazilian, Amerindian, Asian or from other immigrant cultures. And the teacher is viewed as the disseminator of this superior culture to children who are what we in the US used to call culturally deprived.

All children, regardless of their racial and economic backgrounds, need to be viewed as competent, able to learn, and containing within their own cultures and experiences, knowledge that can be used as a foundation for learning (Dewey, 1997/1938).

Finally, in the United States the federal IDEA law requires all schools that use public tax funds (local, state and /or federal) to teach children with a variety of disabilities, including students with an array of learning disabilities.

This federal act also requires that these children learn with non-disabled children in regular classrooms, to the extent possible to meet their own individual educational needs (Gargiulo & Kilgo, 2005). Teachers are taught how to differentiate their lessons and instruction to meet the individual needs of children with disabilities in their classrooms.

Conclusion

Racism in Brazilian public schools needs to be addressed through a variety of approaches. While it is not recommended that Brazil's educational establishment automatically adopt approaches used to eliminate racism in American schools, the ideas and methods used in public schools in the US provide hope and suggestions that can be adapted to address Brazil's unique needs.

As a result of the multicultural education movement in American schools, the cultures, histories, arts and biographies of all the people who make up its population are integrated into the curricular content and instructional materials. Teachers are trained on methods to empower and support non-European students, and a variety of teaching methods are used to maximize the learning of all children, including children with a variety of disabilities.

While the American system of financing public schools does not fund all schools equally, attempts are being made to equalize funding, with federal money being targeted to low-income schools and low-income children in programs such as Head Start.

Finally, unlike the gatekeeper function of the vestibular in Brazil, which effectively prevents poor children from attending programs of higher education, the United States provides a vast amount of choices avenues for students to attend college. Any student in the United States can go to college if they so desire.

References

Bandura, A. (1986). Social foundations of thought and action: A social cognitive theory. Englewood Cliffs, NJ: Prentice Hall. 

Banks, J.A., & Banks, C. A. M. (2004)(Eds.). Multicultural Education: Issues and Perspectives. (5th ed.). Hoboken, NJ: John Wiley and Sons, Inc.

Dewey, J. (1997/1936). Education and experience. New York: Simon and Schuster.

Gardner, H. (1983). Frames of mind: The theory of multiple intelligences. New York: Basic Books.

Gargiulo, R., & Kilgo, J. (2005). Young children with special needs (Rev. ed.). Clifton Park, NJ: International Thompson.

Nieto, S. (2004). Affirming diversity: The sociopolitical context of multicultural education. (4th ed.). Boston, MA: Allyn and Bacon.

Piaget, J. (1963/1936). The origins of intelligence in children. New York, NY: Norton.

Paul, S. L., & Ferreira, S. L. (2005, May 26). Interpreting children's drawings using the sociological perspective. Presentation given at Universidade Federal de Uberlândia, Uberlândia, MG, Brazil.

Vygotsky, L. (1978). Mind in society: The development of higher mental processes. Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press.

Wardle, F. (1999). Children of mixed race: No longer invisible. Educational Leadership 57 (4), 68-71.

Wardle, F. (2005a). Racism in Brazilian schools: Notes from Brazil. New People Magazine. Retrieved Oct 10th from http://newpeoplemagazine.com/

Wardle, F. (2005b). Trip Report. Washington, DC: Partners of the Americas.

Wardle, F. (2005c). Brazilian public schools. Notes from Brazil. New People Magazine. Retrieved Oct 10th from http://www.newpeoplemagazine.com/

Wardle, F., & Cruz-Janzen, M. I. (2004). Meeting the needs of multiethnic and multiracial children in schools. Boston, MA: Allyn & Bacon.

Williams, K. (2006). Mark one or more. Civil Rights in multiracial America. Ann Arbor, MI: The University of Michigan Press.

York, S. (2003). Roots and wings. Affirming culture in early childhood programs. (Rev. ed.). Saint Paul, MN: Redleaf Press.

Francis Wardle has a Ph.D. in Education (University of Kansas). He has been a Head Start director, education director of Children's World Learning Centers (a national childcare and education corporation), a teacher, and a program director for Big Brothers & Sisters. Currently Dr. Wardle teaches for the University of Phoenix (online) and Red Rocks Community College (Denver). He has published four college textbooks and over 300 articles in a variety of educational magazines and journals. Research for this article was partially supported by Partners of the Americans.

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written by João da Silva, March 04, 2008
I would like to congratulate Dr.Wardle for this excellent article.It is a must read for scholars like Senator Buarque who constantly and tirelessly campaign for better and easily accessible education to all.

It would be very interesting to receive comments of our distinguished fellow Brazilian bloggers like Ricardo Amaral, "A Brazilian" and several others who have studied both in Brazilian and foreign educational institutions.
Ha….
written by ..., March 04, 2008
That’s a first, Americans teaching others about racial relations. This is the essence of hypocrisy, purely and simple.

Costinha
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written by dnbaiacu, March 04, 2008
It is really that simple.. So nothing is going to change. This is a national and global circumstances. You choose the 'have' and choose the "have nots'. Color-coding just makes it easy. No society with this system is going to educate the "masses" well. Too many people will qualify to compete for limited resources. Until selfishness and greed is eliminated countries will always have these issues. The U.S model of education still leaves its inner city population of youth with minimal funds for a good education. It is no different from Brasil.. Just that the U.S has more money to distribute. Minorities still end up experiencing the same disparities.
It becomes silly to hope that this will change . The poor are locked out deliberately.. Fortunately though ,, being "relatively" ( because it is all relative) poor materially , doesn't mean that you don't have to live a quality life. An "education" on 'that" is available to all. You have to want it. This is the only way out of misery for the materially poor. Don't count on the system to change.
I just wish whoever wrote this article reads these blogs.
A racist society
written by adrianerik, March 05, 2008
Read these blogs for what? You hope that the two, juvenile, immature, recactionary comments above should be regarded above the content of the article.

America is, in many areas, in a good position to advise others of racial relations. Just as Germany is in a good position to advise other how to protect a Jewish minority. Just as Japan is in a position to advise others how to build a non-militaritic society.

They were sick societies THAT DIAGNOSED THEMSELVES and are seeking, with many levels of success to heal themselves.

And Brazil....?

The article is very good. America which had huge racial problems is light years ahead of Brazil in addressing the problem. To begin to find a cure for a disease one must first diagnose it. There seems to be a collective conscience in Brazil to avoid this type of diagnosis. It reminds me the research done by Folha do Sao Paulo where 10% of Brazilians considered themselves racist but when a series of questions were asked about racial attitudes more than 80% are racists. (with no apologies to that amateur piece of work by Ali Kamel NAO SOMOS RACISTAS). The author identifies several areas and the American system of financing education was not one of his recommendations.

The federal government does not control American education. That is the function of 50 (51) including D.C. separate school boards. Each of which sets their own state standards. They also have their own formulas for financing, which, as the author states, depends much upon local taxes. Inner city funding problems are primarily a function of a decreasing tax base as the population shifts out of the older cities for the southwest and south. It is not someting endemic to the U.S. Educational system (which does not exist). Urban cities such as Philadelphia and New York have school populations that are larger than the population of entire American states. So urban financial solutions are slow to implement. The Federal government can 'try' to influence education by offering funds with strings attached which the various state boards can accept or not accept.

It is extremely naive to say that "all' a child has to do is 'want' an education and they can get it. That indicates NO understanding of the Brazilian educational system.

I would expect that whites who THINK that they are not the products of white supremacist socialization would have issues with the essential point of this article. That's too bad. An educational system that socializes a multi-color society of children with the myth that whites are the gods and goddesses of the universe is a dysfunctional educational system. That a white supremacist televison station such as O Globo supplements this education with 80 to 90% of its novelas depicting actors who are phenotypically "bem brancos" only complicates the situation. My friend in Rio has a beautiful neice with a head full of heavenly curly black hair. When she brought her neice a doll baby with black hair, the little girl (5 years old) cried. They exchanged the doll for one with blonde hair (the exact same doll) and she accepted that doll.

The author of the article stated that Brazilians should not 'imitate' American solutions but a sick society with the same racist infection should begin to diagnose itself and learn from what others have done to cure themselves. To insist that you are well, while snot is dripping from your nose, is the true hypocrisy.
ARIAN-ERIK
written by ..., March 05, 2008
How do you find so many words to describe so little?

Costa
American Hero?
written by SWF, March 05, 2008
Look at this sick sob:

http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/43462/9fb16ab3/us_soldaat_gooit_puppy.html

Worse of all, he probably will go unpunished and get a medal.

SWF
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written by adrianerik, March 05, 2008
Or is it... "so little I WANT t hear?"

But you're right. For those segments of Brazilian society (or any society) that prefer to generalize and dismiss entire societies with labels and derogatives...'serious analysis' becomes an oxymoron. Superfluous. Societal solutions(?) become one dimensional - more electrified walls and a blind eye to masked exterminators pumping bullets into the heads of teenagers.

"feel free to think!"
written by adrianerik, March 05, 2008
Or is it... "so little I WANT t hear?"

But you're right. For those segments of Brazilian society (or any society) that prefer to generalize and dismiss entire societies with labels and derogatives...'serious analysis' becomes an oxymoron. Superfluous. Societal solutions(?) become one dimensional - more electrified walls and a blind eye to masked exterminators pumping bullets into the heads of teenagers. Placing a bandaid over skin cancer.


"feel free to think!"
written by adrianerik, March 05, 2008
Or is it... "so little I WANT t hear?"

But you're right. For those segments of Brazilian society (or any society) that prefer to generalize and dismiss entire societies with labels and derogatives...'serious analysis' becomes an oxymoron. Superfluous. Societal solutions(?) become one dimensional - more electrified walls and a blind eye to masked exterminators pumping bullets into the heads of teenagers. Placing a bandaid over skin cancer.


Yet another myopic American...
written by A Brazilian, March 05, 2008
I believe Brazil is light years ahead of the Disunited States of America and their ethnical ghettos. We are so ahead that the Americans themselves can't imagine a society without designations such "people of color" to describe "those who are not like us". Isn't "white" a color in the US? You are out of your mind. But I have a few questions for Mr. Wardle:

- Why do you associate judgements of value to people's colors? This is what strikes me as the utmost hipocrisy. You have just pointed out, with your own words, that you consider "them" to be different than you, so much that they "need" a special kind of education to build "their identity". If you do associate values to someone's color you are being racist, it doesn't matter if it is a good value or a bad value.

Which sentence is the racist one: "All blacks are intelligent" or "All blacks are dumb"? Both are racist, because you are making a judgement based on how the person looks. I have a piece of advice to American whites, "racism" is not measured by the quantity of good things you say about others. By saying good things, like in the first sentence above, in the hope of portraying everybody as "equally capable" you are just making yourself a racist! Do you want not to be racist? Then do nothing, say nothing and continue with your life.

- Wouldn't it be the institutionalization of racism to teach children to associate values to races?
- What's your opinion about identity politics and propaganda? Don't you think that teaching kids that they are "different" would be the same as segregating them and that would destroy the possibility of intermingling? Therefore balkanizing the country?
- Being Brazil one country doesn't it make sense to have one Brazilian identity?
- Being the Amerindian and Afro cultures inferior, in the sense that they are prehistoric (no writing system, therefore no science, no literature), doesn't it make sense for us to use the European culture inherited from the Portuguese as a starting point for our own culture? I would rather see physicists and engineers building nanomachines than some "afro culture" in our daily lives.
- Are people equally capable?
- Don't you think that the afro-culture is already way too much overrepresented in Brazil, given that they are only 7% of the population?
- Isn't multicultural politics just a workaround to the inability of intermingling of the anglo-saxon peoples? Therefore instead of actually having to see each other as human beings, they can just express "appraisal" for "proving" they aren't racists.

Let's use our imagination and try to see a future without racism. Don't you think that in future without racism the notion of race would lose importance? Therefore promoting it, either in the form of "identity" or any other euphemism Americans like to use to hide the truth from themselves, is the exact opposite of fighting racism?

We are closer to this future than you, that's for sure. You are blind.
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written by A Brazilian, March 05, 2008
Talking about race to an American, who is still locked up in this ancient race obsession, is like trying to explain what a cellphone is to a medieval person. They lack the basic understanding to picture in their minds what it is.
Excellent article
written by Thaddeus Blanchette, March 05, 2008
It is rare to see an American who truly attempts to grapple with these issues in Brazil instead of saying, simply, "You godamned barbarians ought to do what we did and then you won't have any problems."

Wardle's article is thus a refreshing change. It points out many of the reasons why I, as a Brazilian educator, do not support university quotas. The many, proven tactics that Wardle talks about can be implemented without quotas and without a broader view of what affirmative action can be, quotas won't resolve our difficulties anyway.

However, Francis...

Of my many observations, one that sticks with me the strongest is that the poorer the school, the more children of color attend; the wealthier the schools (private and federal schools) the lighter the skin of the children who attend (Wardle, 2005b). Thus, in Brazil, race and income are very closely linked.


...this isn't an observation that is limited to Brazil, alone.
Social Reality vs Theory
written by adrianerik, March 05, 2008
@a brazilian - You would find a huge segment of the American population who would agree with you.The new tactic of the right wing, frustrated in their blatant racism, is to appeal to some amorphous, vague "western culture". Of coure, its politically correct to imply racial superiority so now the tactic is "cultural superiority". It works, if just as you did, you begin to apply culture to what you say doesn't exist race -- "afro culture" "amerindian culture". In social application, a hierarchy is established, which strangely, follows racist hierarchies, despite it being based upon 'culture'.

And yes, you will have difficutly conversing with many Americans who, familiar with Brazilian society sees a stratification that "walks like racism, talks like racism, smells like racism, leaves the same devastation as racism" but is really a "racial democracy".

Because 'race' is socially defined, then a 'racist' system (which in the United Nations definition means the a system developed upon a race being SUPERIOR to another race as opposed to the scientific definition that means "any belief in a race-based behaviour)..a racist system can morph into many forms. Bi-polar like the United States. Or multi polars, like Brazil. They each do their dirty jobs effectively.

Racism is tied up in cultural institution. It would be wise for Brazilians to know exactly how racism infects a society than to suggest that "doing nothing" is the most 'color-blind' route to take. To the contrary, it is the most effective assurance that racism will continue. The supposed privileged position (mental or real) that racism imbues into whatever racial group thinks that they are superior is not ceded without a demand. Privilege rationalizes its position. It rarely abolishes the rationale for their status.

A one country - one identity goal is not something admirable when when members of a society have to shed parts of themselves, or limit themselves to conform to dictates of this identity.
Beyond that, it's simply bullcrap.
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written by João da Silva, March 05, 2008
Before I comment further, I would like to invite some South African bloggers (if any) to tell us how the quality and accessibility of education during and after the "Apartheid".

To: "A Brazilian", "Costa", et all: The author is a Brit, living in U.S. I am yet to discover the nationalities of "adrianerik" and my old friend "dnbaiacu". dnbaiacu has made some interesting comments in other threads and he has points.

btw, I did NOT expect the author or the commentators to assume that the Brazilian Public Educational System is discriminating against the blacks. My point is that it discriminates against ALL the races that do not have money to pay for the cursinho for the vestibular for their kids to get into a decent university. May be I am wrong and I stand corrected if I am.

As for the narration of the story of the niece of the friend of "adrianerik": If I she was my niece, I would have given her a tongue lashing (gently) and impressed her the importance of beauty and brain power, regardless of the skin (or hair) color.However, I must agree with "adrianerik" that the "Rede Globo" and other networks do broadcast only crap of no educational value.
Identity politics by any other name are still identity politics
written by Thaddeus Blanchette, March 05, 2008
A Brazilian says...
Being Brazil one country doesn't it make sense to have one Brazilian identity?


Y'know, I was actually grooving on your critique of the politics of identity and then you have to go say something stupid like that.

It makes no difference WHAT institutionalized identity you teach: they are all lies and shams. So when you eschew ethnic identity for a singular and cohesive national identity, then what, exactly, is the gain, A Brazilian?

Instead of critiquing identity politics, you seem in fact to be making the argument that the wrong kind of identity politics are being taught.

Frankly, I can't see what the teaching of a single, national, unified identity would bring to Brazil that's worth anything. The idea itself is redolent of fascism. All you'd be doing is exchanging one sort of determinist, reductionist bulls**t for another. Ultimately, all identity politics - national or ethnic - is based on the attempt to transform myth and lies into naturalized "fact".

Being the Amerindian and Afro cultures inferior, in the sense that they are prehistoric (no writing system, therefore no science, no literature), doesn't it make sense for us to use the European culture inherited from the Portuguese as a starting point for our own culture? I would rather see physicists and engineers building nanomachines than some "afro culture" in our daily lives.


And here we come to the real nut of your problem, don't we?

I frankly don't see why you think the sort of brutal, ignorant ethnocentrism which you preach is superior to racism, A Brazilian. If it's true that there's no scientific basis to determine whether one race is better than another (or even, in fact, if race exists), it's equally true that there's no scientific basis to determine whether one culture is superior to another. And culture itself is as much a historical and political construct as "race". There's no real proof that it exists. It CERTAINLY doesn't exist in the stullified, petrified, lego-block sense which your comments above indicate.

"African culture", scientifically speaking, is anything that African people do, A Brazilian. I'll let you in on a little secret: Africans read and write books. I'll let you in on another little secret: Northern Europeans didn't invite reading and writing. Literacy is a transhuman cultural artefact and - while it has occurred in some places later than others - it cannot be said, in any way shape or form, to be particular to one or another culture: or even to a SET of cultures.

There were, after all, African and Native American cultures which invented their own forms of writing. And almost ALL existing African and Native American cultures I know of today are literate. Meanwhile, there are European cultures which have been highly illiterate in historical times. By your reducto ad absurdam logic, we should all learn Babylonian culture. After all, they apparently invented reading and writing before any other people on record.

Your comments reveal more about your own personal prejudices than they do about Brazil or the U.S., A Brazilian. Methinks you're simply another post-modern Green Shirt, talking alone at nights to your Plínio Salgado poster and shouting "Anauhé!" into the void. You're as anti-scientific and as politically motivated as the ethnonationalists you spurn. At least, however, they have the good grace to make their true politics plain, instaed of trying to hide them behind pseudo-intellectual hypocrisy.

Tell the truth, A Brazilian:...
written by Thaddeus Blanchette, March 05, 2008
All this bulls**t you spout is simply overcompensation for your own feelings of inferiority.

What I love about guys like you is that no matter how religiously you spout your neo-fascist, euro-supremacist dogma, you will never be accepted as "white" or "european" by anyone you feel who matters simply because you were born in Brazil.

Posting screeds of bulls**t day after day on this site is never going to change that, A Brazilian. smilies/grin.gif
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written by João da Silva, March 05, 2008
Wardle's article is thus a refreshing change. It points out many of the reasons why I, as a Brazilian educator, do not support university quotas.


I am not an educator, but do not support university quotas either!
" A Brazilian Must Have Wanted To Get Reaction"
written by dnbaiacu, March 06, 2008
To "A Brazilian".. I am really trying to give you the benefit of the doubt. And I hope you are enjoying this and laughing. smilies/smiley.gif. You sound like you actually believe the myths that Brasil promotes , or has promoted.. That racism doesn''t exist. You also revealed a lack of knowledge on a variety of subjects. For example, certain races and their history with writing. I don't have time to go there with you. But just remember something basic.. As some populations continued their migration "away" from Mesapotamia , it stands to reason that the last to reach the furthest distances on any of the continents would take longer to involve themselves with writing , and that is if they decided it was a priority for their existence. Sumerians, pre-flood.. and Egyptians , post flood were "writing..... I'm finished with this..

At the end of the day it is all about money. And this "alone" controls who gets educated the best. This is on an international, national and statewide level anywhere and everywhere in the world. It is simply about distribution of wealth..

Joao,, thank you for the compliment. And your input was refreshing. And everyone that responded to "A Brazilian" had very good points.

By the way , I am bi-national.. Half afro-brazilian and half afro-american. Born in the U.S , but I have traveled back and forth since childhood.. And I have lived in Brasil in Salvador/Island of Itaparica for a 3yr stint. I now travel back and forth with the intent to move back to Bahia permanently this year. Everything Dr. Wardle wrote was correct. But as long as humans continue to "dominate" one another on any level , these disparities willl continue to exist. The U.S model is just a better "financed" model which allows the disadvantaged more of an oppurtunity to overcome great odds. And this , if you just start with the fact that there are great libraries in every major city. There is greater access,, due to money, to higher educational oppurtunities. This , coupled with motivation "AT HOME" can give ANY child a greater chance.
Brasil has "less money" overall to work with . And probably as a consequence has not made the overall education of the mass majority a priority. And why?.....When it is easier , albeit temporarily , to keep the masses ignorant , so as to be better controlled by the selfish , "self-proclaimed" elite.
Brasil is "dominated" by other more affluent countries. So naturally , the "elite of Brasil " are going to have their fun dominating others within its boundaries. Every society has this issue.. It is a HUMAN issue.

Fortunately ones "education' and what it can become can be greatly influenced by upbringing. Someone from a poor family has to decide they want more . And develop the love of learning on an academic level and pass this on to the next generation. At some point in the history of that family someone WILL prosper. I have darker skinned relatives in Brasil who are very educated. And they continue to "attract" the oppurtunities that help them to stay on an upwardly mobile path. It all starts with ridding oneself of a poor mans mentality. EVERY society started off with meager resources educationally and otherwise. Most cultures have borrowed ideas from other cultures and expanded and capitilized on them.
Nothing will change in Brasil in respect to education until the powers that be "want" the masses educated. And of course that would not come without a price.

Why would you teach your slaves??? Please , does anyone think anything has changed?

Jesus said,, " the poor will always be with you". (John 12:smilies/cool.gif But thank God that the very book that statement comes from is the most widely distributed book on this planet. Churches are everywhere . And if you just have the desire to read that book alone.. that is a start to educating yourself , if only to read. And you take it from there. The possibilities are endless from there ,even if the results are seen tangibly many generations later.

Simply put , no one should depend on the State to be responsible for the education of their children. This is the true error.

But it is also unfortunate the degree that Brasil downplays the importance of reading.. It appears almost deliberate.. I have seen the statistics on the overall lack of bookstores and libraries in the whole country. And the prices of books and newspapers are absurd!! It is truly a fight to be knowledgeable in Brazil in general. It is sad.. Principally because it appears to be a deliberate conspiracy against the general public. Books should not be that difficult to access. Will this change? No . Not without funding.

Again,,why educate your slaves.? Of course the little black niece cried about the black doll. She doesn't want identify with the slave. Even if that slave looks like her.
Her mind can only be freed by a "proper" education. One Brasil,, at this point , is not willing to pay for.
Thaddeus
written by A Brazilian, March 06, 2008
It makes no difference WHAT institutionalized identity you teach: they are all lies and shams. So when you eschew ethnic identity for a singular and cohesive national identity, then what, exactly, is the gain, A Brazilian?


The gain: living in a country without worrying about some subcountries in it claiming independence (balkanization); common values (good christian ones); trust; a foundation for something greater. This is not social engineering, this is just describing things as they are. Some Indian tribes had alphabets and science, such as Astronomy, but none of them were in Brazil. The Brazilian Indians were hunter-gatherers. Have you ever asked yourself why Brazil doesn't have any ancient ruins? Our Indians weren't civilization builders. Some Africans that were brought here had education, but the ones that actually knew how to write and read were Muslims from the North Africa. So "their culture" wasn't exactly African.

The only thing that holds the USA together is that each ethnical ghetto believes that it is in their best interest to participate in this idea called "USA", in order words, prosperity. They believe they have more to gain there than anywhere else. If, by any chance, something really bad happens the USA would disintegrate quickly. Brazil, on the other hand, has survived many hardships that would make Americans wish to kill each other.

If it's true that there's no scientific basis to determine whether one race is better than another (or even, in fact, if race exists), it's equally true that there's no scientific basis to determine whether one culture is superior to another. And culture itself is as much a historical and political construct as "race".


I disagree. The notion of race was a scientific fact until not long ago and it is fundamentally different from culture. Unlike race we can measure which culture is superior by seeing their scientific and technological achievements.

Amerindians and Africans had their own "traditions" and "religions", but who cares? So did the Greek, and look now! All those gods are dead. Zeus? f**k Zeus. What always moved the Earth? Technology. Empires arose and fell because of it.

Do you think they are all equal? Then let's make a deal, give us the aerospace technology and we give you carnaval. Isn't it fair? smilies/smiley.gif

"African culture", scientifically speaking, is anything that African people do, A Brazilian. I'll let you in on a little secret: Africans read and write books. I'll let you in on another little secret: Northern Europeans didn't invite reading and writing. Literacy is a transhuman cultural artefact and - while it has occurred in some places later than others - it cannot be said, in any way shape or form, to be particular to one or another culture: or even to a SET of cultures.


They didn't invent reading, but they happen to be the most proeminent in the Western world at this moment, and since this is the moment we are living on this Earth, then that's the moment most important for us. Scientific and technological advancements can be said to be particular to one culture or another, those are the ones that we care about.

But you are right in a way, culture can't be limited to a group. That's why the "identity" crappy notion of Americans is destructive, because it limits certain groups like the so called "Afro-americans" or "Latinos" to certain pre-approved behavior, way of living and thinking, etc, and that could make them not to see the big picture. They could learn a lot from other cultures. If I see something I like in japanese culture, for example, I see no problem in incorporating it, and that's the idea. If you segregate people in groups because they are "different" and need "special education" in order to build "their identities" then you will inevitably limit their horizons.

Another thing, the very idea of "models" that look like you is ludicrous. Do you mean that only a jew could ever identify himself with Jesus, just because Jesus happened to be a jew? Or only Arabians identify themselves with Mohammed? This thinking is so small that makes me sad that people even consider it.

By your reducto ad absurdam logic, we should all learn Babylonian culture.


It is reductio ad absurdum, and we did learn from the Babylonians, like, for example, the 24 hour day. But they are gone. Let's worry about the future.
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written by Charles Scott, March 06, 2008
Excellent article. Some of you guys espescially "the Brazillian " are misguided. The author of this article is 100% correct. Despite the vitriol you spew against the United States. The bottom line is this, you probably wish you were American. From a person whose skin color classifies him as a member of the lower rung of society in Brazil. I can proudly tell you this. The U.S. of A is the greatest country on earth. I am not putting you down, but until you admit you have racial problems, you will not be able to become a first world nation
Generalizations kill discourse
written by adrianerik, March 06, 2008
If "being American" means having access to the resources, educational and economic opportunities in America then I would agree wtih you. If "being American" means imitating perceived American "behaviour" then I disagree.

It is a discussion killer to make absolute comparisons of societies, unless you are comparing absolutes such as land size and population figures. The United States (my country) is not THE model for other countries to slavishly imiate. Neither is it the home of the anti-christ for other countries to blindly reject. Blindly running TOWARDS something or blindly running AWAY from something is still "running blindly". So much of these blogs seem to fall into either of the two categories.
The little girl
written by adrianerik, March 06, 2008
The story about the little girl is true. They live in Ilha do Governador. It's interesting to note that some think that the little girl is black (and was rejecting a 'black' doll). She is not. She is white (Brazilian white). Her hair is black. (she actually looks a lot like Shirley Temple). She is an absolutely gorgeous little girl. However she lives in a household where two aunts strain to keep their black hair dyed blonde. Where another aunt (the one who brought the doll) has had her cute little button nose, cut and re-shaped to be more aquiline. She is the darkest in this family. (Brazil would call her morena) In America, she was stopped in the airport and a person said she was the most beautiful women they had ever seen. In Brazil, there are members of her family who insult her by calling her 'preta'. They rub their fingers along their white arms and point at her and laugh. I've seen her cry because of this.

The Brazilian scholar and activist, Abdias Nascimento, wrote a play several decades about a successful black Brazilian and the pressure he feels to reject all things 'black' in his life to be a 'real' Brazilian.

Many of my white friends from Canada and Europe (females) are shocked when they go to mostly white clubs in Brazil and listen to the unbridled racism falling from the lips of white Brazilians, many of them studying law.

Racism, cultural hegemony, white supremacy, brancura, enbranqueization are varying manifestations of the same disease that affects all color ranges in society.

It's funny. When the television novela NORDESTINA opens, it pans across a scene of a 'typical' nordestino small city. The streets are full of people, typically 'mixed'. Suddenly, from a wide-angle view a woman, with milky skin who looks like she just stepped off the boat from Europe, enters the scene. The camers zooms in on her. Then the novela title. NORDESTINA!

There is no shame at O Globo!

BACK TO COLOR
written by Forrest Allen Brown, March 06, 2008
not money .
name
or who you know

just back to the bosses taking the money for themselves , and not paying the teachers.
the teachers being paid even if they dont show up for work .

according to blacks , latins , asians , and the other tribes of earth
only whites can be RACISTS.

Talking about generalizations...
written by A Brazilian, March 06, 2008
In Brazil, there are members of her family who insult her by calling her 'preta'. They rub their fingers along their white arms and point at her and laugh. I've seen her cry because of this.


This is bulls**t. The word "preta" ou "preto" is a slang for "honey". If that family use it in a racial manner then they are dysfunctional, not Brazil.

This type of "A cousin of a friend of a friend of mine told that..." is the kind of lame argument that is brought up in sites like these to "prove" something about Brazil. Try again.
You Learn A LOT From These Blogs
written by dnbaiacu, March 06, 2008
Long story short.. There will be no equality in education until governments "of ANY nation" allow all of it's citizens a quality education. This will only happen in a perfect world. For now those with the best access to knowledge will maintain the power. Its always been that way.. And this transcends ,racial , cultural and national lines.

I was nice to "A Brazilian" clearing up some of his opinions. He or she deserves an A for effort. We are all thinking on this blog if nothing else. The counter arguments to "A Brazilian" are exellent.

In support of "A Brazilian" , I think his point is that there should be an effort on the part of the larger consciousness not to put emphasis on race to begin with.. Almost saying that if we "imagine" that it doesn't exist or that it is not an issue then the problem would take care of itself. No notion of race. No racial inequality issues.
The problem is most of "any" race won't think that way.. Not at this point in mans history.

Joao.. Affirmative action with its use of quotas has been the only way minorities have been given an oppurtunity to enter the middle class and upward mobility at large. People have a tendency to take care of , "hire and educate" their OWN. This is just a sorry fact of human nature at this point. Why hire a stranger when you can hire your cousin?
Quotas worked successfully in the U.S exactly because of the overt racism that has always existed there. 1/8 part negro descent gave one second class citizenship. It became very easy to determine who was going to given oppurtunity or not.

The quota won't have much success if any in Brasil simply because the concept of race is ambiguous there. The concept of who is negro and lacking oppurtunity is not as systematic as it is in the U.S . There is no sure way of making sure that those who stand to benefit the most from such a program aren't cut out of the loop by whiter looking individuals claiming negro blood ( of course when it is to their advantage) who want to benefit from "quotas" also. I wouldn't agree with a quota system in Brasil either. It's a system that only works wtih the longstanding "American" concept of race.

Brasil has to want to give ALL of its citizens a quality education. And this costs money.
An educated person would understand the folly in most of "A Braziilians" comments. An "educated" person would not maintain a poor mans mentality or a slave mentality. It was the economic prosperity of the U.S in general that allowed many of its oppressed minorities to overcome obstacles. Nothing more nothing less. And companies and schools had to be "FORCED" to admit negros in their institutions otherwise they would have NEVER been allowed the oppurtunity. Again,, why hire or educate a stranger as opposed to your cousin?
Smart governments know anyway that you can only hold people down for so long. History has shown us this. There will always be a revolution against injustice at some point. How Brasil is paying for the oppression of its masses is through its crime rates. And its generally exploitive culture. The government overtly exploits citizens. The South exploits the North.. The rich exploit the poor.. And it goes on and on.
Where Brasil decides to tokenly give a little in respect to this issue remains to be seen.
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written by A Brazilian, March 06, 2008
according to blacks , latins , asians , and the other tribes of earth
only whites can be RACISTS.


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written by A Brazilian, March 06, 2008
An educated person would understand the folly in most of "A Braziilians" comments.


Like what? The only folly is to believe that all cultures are equal and lock people up in stereotypes that have no future. Now, go shake your ass on Carnaval and wait for a spaceship to fall from the sky. Apparently that's how the "pride" logic works, no study, no learning, just being proud and magically things improve.
"lying eyes"
written by adrianerik, March 06, 2008
@brazilian - No hearsay, my brother. Unfortunately, I am first hand witness to all of this. And more. By the way, there are few Brazilians who can say what Brasil attitudes are. Residents of the same city cannot say what the attitudes are of residents who live blocks away.

@dnbaiacu - good points. Except - am I wrong in discerning the general "that's the way it goes" tone of your post. There ARE activists in Brazil. And despite the david against Goliath scenario they face there are advances and victories of the people confronting the system.Without a population that exposes, accuses, SUGGESTS AND IMPLEMENTS viable alternatives, there is NO democracy. You say a 'revolution at some point'. How does that happen? Not necessarily a revolution but the persistence and growth of 'democratic activists' in Brazil, Brazilians who believe the Brazilian constitution. To reach that-- 'at some point'-- level, it becomes imperative for aware Brazilians today to support those flares of activism and not merely point out where these community initiatives are lacking. Complaining about those who 'DO' without involving themselves is one of my greatest issues with the Brazilian community.

When a social issue is not critical then perhaps there is the luxury of searching for the ideal solution. However, in the development of most societies the 'perfect idea' rarely comes neatly packaged. When a social issue is critical then sometimes anything that is 1% better than the status quo should be supported. My and good buddy T.B. disagree on this but that is the basis for my support of 'cotas' in Brasil.

Does it poke it in the eye the vestibular system? It should (IMHO). Sometimes it's best to allow an issue to keep the entire community at at state of outrage than to allow them to slip back into the sputtering status quo.
Let's Be Productive.. Each One Teach One
written by dnbaiacu, March 06, 2008
Everyone on this blog is obviously intelligent. And it is refreshing to see people responding to an article like this. At least is shows some concern on the issue of education and as it pertains to certain segments of society.
We must admit that the State is not going to change its' fiscal policy towards education anytime soon. So what ideas can we circulate as to how we "are" or can help others in this area in Brasil ( our country of obvious mutual interest). This would make this blog more productive. PLEASE. ! Everyone who has contributed here , including "A Brazilian" , what are you doing to help a poor uneducated Brazilian of ANY shade of color. The State won't fix this ..

To "A Brazilian" has SOMETHING of value to contribute to the variety in stimulation on various levels of the HUMAN mind. It is not about cultures being equal. That implies a cultural standard to be met. Are you suggesting that there is a particular culture that all other cultures should aspire to emulate? . No reply necessary ,please.
Caranval is just as much a contribution as an aerospace program.. Only they are "different " contributions., and to some degree equal wasters of money considering money could be better spent "on this planet' and also not on a five day partyl.

I have poor , illiterate cousins in Bahia . But with all their lack of formal education ANYONE can learn from their advanced and undoubtedly impressive spatial skills under and above water due to their "culture" as fisherman.. Point being ALL cultures have SOMETHING to contribute to the overall well-being and stimulation of the HUMAN RACE.

Education is the interest of this blog.. What ideas can we exchange to help a poor Brazilian who just MAY have a State sponsored low self-esteem issue.?

Yes,, I myself thought the little niece was black...Sorry I assumed that... But the fact that she wasn't further proves the point. The monied "few" will continue to exalt and glorify themselves through the media at the psychological expense of the oppressed masses This won't change on a large scale. So the resulting problems will persist.
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written by Thaddeus Blanchette, March 06, 2008
I agree that the vestibular system should be scrapped, Adrian. That should be the first step.

I'm against quotas because they are being used as a panaceia which won't make a bit of difference unless other reforms are implemented - and if those reforms ARE implemented, it's doubtfull that we'd need quotas.

After all, the U.S. has been able to increase Black university education levels without recourse to quotas.

I'm in favor of more scholarships and of an admissions policy which takes into consideration a SERIES of characteristics and not just a "one shot takes it all" entrance exam. I think race should be a tie-breaker in this scenario and not a "get in free" ticket.

A Brazilian sez...

The gain: living in a country without worrying about some subcountries in it claiming independence (balkanization); common values (good christian ones); trust; a foundation for something greater. This is not social engineering, this is just describing things as they are.


So you ARE a fascist, in the strict, historical sense of the word.

Interesting.

In the first place, pluralism does not mean balkanization. There is no proof at all that the one leads to the other and plenty of proof that it does not. The U.S., Canada, Switzerland and even Great Britain are all pluralist nations and they are hardly sliding towards disintegration and misery.

Second, "common values" do not necessarily lead to peace, trust, enlightenment,
understanding, or "something greater". The worst wars are almost always civil wars fought between groups who have much more in common with one another in terms of cultural values then not. As to "something greater", the fascism you're apparently promoting as the salvation for all the world's ills got its ass righteously and roundly kicked by the U.S. and the U.S.S.R. - both notriously racuous, ethnically mixed countries.

Sorry, A Brazilian, but that "one nations, standing erect, facing the rising sun" jive is a bunch of humorous hoo-hah to anyone with more than a passing understanding of modern history.

Third, you may coinsider your "Christian" values to be "good". From what I've seen you post here, I have my doubts that your values can, in fact, even be classified as "Christian". Seeing as how there's no proof that a homotopia is any better than a heterotopia, I wonder where you get the balls to suggest that the world would all be hunky-dory if we'd just allow you, A Brazilian, to shove your "superior" values down our collective throats?

Finally, yes, what you are describing is very definitely SOCIAL ENGINEERING in the strictest sense of the term. Unlike the "communists" and "racists" you oppose, however, you simply don't have the honesty to admit that that's what you're talking about.

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written by Thaddeus Blanchette, March 06, 2008
You also don't know your African and Native American history very well. Why "Muslim Africans" aren't really Africans is a mystery to me. Your "Christian" culture didn't come from Europe, but you obviously have no qualms about considering it to be European. Nor were all - or even most - of the Brazilian native peoples hunter-gatherers. You are REALLY behind the times on paleoanthropological data if you believe that - like 60 years behind the times.

I disagree. The notion of race was a scientific fact until not long ago and it is fundamentally different from culture. Unlike race we can measure which culture is superior by seeing their scientific and technological achievements.


Both are based on a common essentialist and reductionist fallacy that peoples are discreet, homogenous, historically stable, measurable objects. They aren't. And because they aren't, there is no rational and objective way to measure their achievments and superiority. The only way to even ATTEMPT to do so is to make a series of value laden, a priori and essentially arbitrary judgements as to what constitutes a "people", what precisely is an "achievement" and where and when these things occurred, something which you obviously feel compelled to do.

However, there is no consensus, scientific opinion on any of these points. At all. And because of that, A Brazilian, you feel t