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Successfully founding the CSD, which had been scheduled to include Colombia, would have represented an enormous victory for what has been called President Luis Inácio Lula da Silva's "pragmatic left" leadership.

According to what I read in the National Newspapers, the real reason for Colombia to balk out was that none of the "Hermanos" of CSD was willing to declare FARC as a terrorist group. Everyone wants to consider it as a bunch of "Santinhos".

have been bought the washington thugs... Too bad for the innocent Colombians.

Costa

and in all brazilians medias, official interviews, Brazil said the opposite, namely France will sell Nuclear submarines technology.

Included in articles on this site.

And when I commented with my cynical statements, of course everyone told me how wrong I was !

Well....looks like I was correct....as usual !

The only submarine France technology is willing to sell to Brazil...is NON-nuclear ! If you prefer.....DIESEL powered !

I could say.....they chose the wise way....not to belong to a group of idiots.

Too bad for Lula.

Just re-read part of the article :
- Nelson Jobim, described the basic tenets of the CSD as an integrated alliance without an operating field capability.
- CSD forces would cooperate, for example, in contributing to UN and other humanitarian missions if necessary.

In my view...it says it all !
More a fantasy than a military force.

do you beleive the FARC is a bunch of boy scouts ???

if so you need to see how many people they have killed in brazil that got in there way ,any one that thinks like you should not be allowed
to have sharp items

and as far as a working military who would be in charge of the retreat

and who would pay for equipment lost in use

If so, this site has turned in to a great way to get bored and therefore sleepy , fast.

I don't make conversation with retards...

Costa

Joao da Silva maybe you know the answer to the following:

In 1821, under the leadership of Jose Bonifacio de Andrada e Silva Brazil established the original foreign policy for the Americas including the alliance of South American countries to defend the South American countries from European military aggression.

Keep in mind at that time the United States was not a threat to anyone and it was just a minor country that was taking its first steps as an independent country and Brazil was the center of the Portuguese Empire at that time.

You can read about it on the following articles at:


February 2005 – “Brazil, the Original Leader of the Americas – Part I”
http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/1360/49/

February 2005 – “Brazil, the Original Leader of the Americas – Part II”
http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/1425/49/


Now that the South American Union (SAU) and the possible creation of a NATO (in that case SATO) for defense purposes of South American countries are being discussed someone asked me a question about the original agreement made in 1821 regarding the mutual defense of South American countries by European powers.

Joao, maybe you know the answer to that one.

In the early 1980’s we had the Falklands War when Argentina took possession of the Falkland Island – a group of islands right off the coast of Argentina that Argentina had been disputing with England the ownership of those islands.

The British sent their army and navy and after a few months of war they defeated the Argentinean army and took over the Falkland Islands.

My question for you is: Why Brazil did not intervene and try to help Argentina in this case since under the old agreement Brazil was supposed to help Argentina in case of any type of European military aggression?

I know Brazil has good relations with the British, but why Brazil did nothing in the case of the Falklands War?

I don’t believe on this new SATO that they want to create for the countries of South America., and in my opinion Brazil should be able to build its own military and being able to defend itself without having to rely on the military help of any other country.

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In my opinion Brazil should build its armed forces to be able to defend Brazil without help from other countries and the Brazilian arsenal for defense purposes only should include nuclear weapons.

If Brazilians don’t follow that path then they deserve to lose parts of their country including the entire Amazon region.

The world has been changing at the speed of light and the Brazilian territory is growing more valuable by the minute because of the scarcity of the food supply and all kinds of natural resources – but if Brazilians are so stupid that they can’t grasp what is going on then you know that some other country it will take a risk and it will try to take over such a potential wealth in resources – Fools usually are taken for a ride and the smart people take from them the fools anything that they can. That’s how the real world works and the rest is just a bunch of bulls**t.

You you are so foolish that you can’t understand that concept and what I am trying to say then let me enlighten you with a current example that has been going on since 2003.

The United States noticed that there was a country with a very weak army and a country with vast oil resources that was ripe for an occupation and for raiding its natural resources.

The US drummed up some Bulls**t excuse and moved forward to control the jackpot in Iraq. The rest is history.

Or Brazil becomes a country of the first world armed with nuclear weapons and a country that can defend itself from any foreign invasion or Brazil becomes the next patsy to a superior power.

Knowing the mentality of many of my compatriots today, I know that there is a better chance that Brazil it will become the newest patsies.

The Serbs still waiting for the Soviet Union to come and help them when the US destroyed their country a few years ago.

You are a fool if you think that you can rely on other people to come to rescue you when you are in need of such help – Argentina comes to mind during the Falkland Islands War – even its neighbor Chile helped the British effort when they did beat Argentina.

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if you pull your heads out of your butts and look past your colen you will see there is more to be had than war .

First AR if you dont like the way the US does business leave the country i would not live or take any thing from a country that i disliked as much as you do the US
it is easy to condem people while living a free life of there saftey you have not worked for or dont like .
i left booth brasil and the US as the governing bodies are just a bunch of high paid thiefes only lining there on pockets .

as far as the US invading countries for oil if that were so than why is oil from that sand pit the same price as brazil gets for its oil whitch is a much poorer grade . and why are they able to sell to any country . if the US took the country for its oil than why do the people still have there guns , the US has invested billions to rebuild the place , and is still doing so .
look what the govern of amazoina does he just kills off the indoes takes there land and inslaves the rest that are left to plant his soy beans , and getting richer than any one else.
as far as nukes for brasil well what type of delerive system will you use ? and then any one in the southern hemasphere you set one off there and you have killed off the land you are fighting over ??? as far as going toe to toe with a supper power .
never happen and brasil survive .as a hole country again .

to build a military force with so many countries that dont trust one another and there people in command have egoes the size of there military well that wont work out as they would never get along .and never be able to work togeather

Joao da Silva maybe you know the answer to the following:

Hi Ricardo,

That is a long post and with questions for many of which you yourself know the answers! Some historical facts are known by reading and some you know living through the history. I believe you are as surprised as I am with the speed with which UniSur and SATO are being implemented, especially without an ample debate in the society.

My question for you is: Why Brazil did not intervene and try to help Argentina in this case since under the old agreement Brazil was supposed to help Argentina in case of any type of European military aggression?

I know Brazil has good relations with the British, but why Brazil did nothing in the case of the Falklands War?

Surprisingly the press was more informative about it. Falklands war was in 1982 and the Brazilian military was busy planning to hand over the power to the civilians, while at the same time tackling the economic crises brought on by the oil price increase. On the contrary Gen.Galtieri of Argentina wanted to deviate the attention of the people, inventing a war which he thought would never take place.The Brazilian government did indeed attempt to prevent the war trying to put some sense into the heads of Galtieri and other Generals. Admirals, etc; in Buenos Aires that it should be resolved through diplomatic talks and it was not the right time to raise the issue of the Malvinas. But the Argentine General thought the Brasilians were a bunch of pansies lacking manhood. The rest is history. It is funny that a vast majority of Brazilians supported the stand of our government and diplomatic corp, including the ones against the military government.

In my opinion Brazil should build its armed forces to be able to defend Brazil without help from other countries and the Brazilian arsenal for defense purposes only should include nuclear weapons.

If Brazilians don’t follow that path then they deserve to lose parts of their country including the entire Amazon region.

Ricardo, under your previous article, I asked you a question: Who is our enemy? You were honest to say that you did not know.Lets be honest. Our military was and still is a self defense force, though the armaments we have are getting obsolete and we need to modernize them. Still nobody has clearly defined who is likely to invade us. IMHO, to speculate that the Americans are going to invade the Amazon to take over all our natural resources is very childish and of shortsighted vision and it does not do any justice to the founding fathers of Brazil like your ancestor Bonifacio.

Please go through the following link where a Canadian ex-pat blogger who lives here and goes by the name of "Gringo" and a Brazilian(I think he is a Brazilian) "DU48" have made some interesting comments:

http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/9353/1/

Besides, right now the Minister of Strategic planning Roberto Mangabeira Unger is currently in charge of developing the Amazon region and as you know, he is a professor of Law at Harvard and spent most of his adult life as an exile in U.S. Do you think that he does not know whether or not the Yanks are about to invade us? I doubt it.

There again we come back to the question: Who is about to invade us and why we are suddenly getting paranoiac?

In order to understand better, I am giving another piece of info. There was a seminar in April at the Military club, about the defense of the Amazon. The commanding General of the Amazonia highly criticized "Esquerda Escosesa" (meaning the lefties that sit on Copacabana beach and sipping 12 year old Scotch Whiskey) that has never been to the Amazon, but talking about the defense of the Amazonia and the "Indios". Though not many newspapers gave importance to this event, it did create a commotion among the ones in the government.Subsequently he was interviewed by TV BAND. An extremely interesting interview that unfortunately conducted late in the night. However, it is posted in the Youtube. If you want to hear a balanced opinion of another Brazilian, please go to Youtube and punch in the name of Augusto Heleno. There are about 4 or 5 clips. I think your Portuguese must still be good and you wont have difficulty in understanding him. Then please do come back and tell me who is our enemy!

To be honest, I would rather like to see Brazil maintaining our current friends and cultivating new friends and letting our "Hermanos" to chalk their own destinies!!

And in light of the above, how wise of Brazil to continue to resist pressure to ban cluster bombs, and not just in terms of protecting its export of materiel and thus trade balance.

no blod ever shead ,

but when it is nesary make them quick to end

a total all out war has not ben done for over 2500 years and the world has got to get to the point where one can say

i am sorry and made a mistake and the people will live that .

not keep saying 500 years ago they invaded my country , so we want to war on them

brasil like the US is its own worst enemy , booth countries need to choose there
leaders more carfully

How you can imply that WWII was not total and all-out, with the bombing of Dresden, Big Boy, Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and cost-plus war contracts. Look at D-day and tell me what would the difference have been between that and All-Out?

There used to be an auction yard in Artesia, CA where one could buy steamer trunks which had all the existing possessions of soldiers, sailors, or marines, for which no one had called or stepped up to claim. There were lots of them. Gone with the wind.

Nuclear weapons in Brazil would deter a U.S. led attack on Brazil.

However, everything is not all gravy with owning nuclear IBCM's or tactical nuclear weapons (ones deployed from subs, ships, and planes). If Brazil acquired these strategic weapons one negative consequence would be the targeting of Brazil by other nations with their nuclear weapons.

Granted if the United States got hit with several - maybe dozens - of nuclear ICBM's Brazil would be effected by the resulting environmental effects. For more on that one can read Environmental Consequences of Nuclear War: Scope 28, Volume II, Ecological and Agricultural Effects. There are cold level limits that much of the tropical regions of Brazil would be extremely sensitive too, and "human beings are basically tropical species... and rapidly require protection for survival in low temperatures" to take a quote from Nuclear Winter: The Human Environmental Consequences of Nuclear War. (Harwell, 1984, p. 8

South America is a region on earth where relations between nation neighbors are very stable. And the United States is very unlikely to attack Brazil when it has found itself exhausted with a 4th rate military in Iraq. (many members of its military, financially broke and humiliated, became part of the urban guerrilla combatants)

A book I got on the world's great military listed Brazil (the only one in Latin America). By its rating in the book Brazil's military would probably be considered 2nd rate. I was surprised to find that India's military was rated in the league with countries like the United States, France, and Britain - militaries we would call 1st rate.

I think Brazil rather than concentrating on obtaining nuclear weapons should just improve upon those amazing social programs they have like Bolsa Familia. Even the World Bank has been accolades to the Bolsa Familia Program. It's the largest of its kind perhaps in the world and if I remember correctly 20 nations around the world are looking to model the program - including New York City.

Bolsa Familia builds the future (especially in the impoverished Northeast of Brazil) by developing human capital and through required vaccinations and health checks it provides positive externalities. One small town of 13,000 people in the Northeast of Brazil was compared to Haiti in quality of life. So, Bolsa Familia is needed and this provides a better future and development for Brazil than nuclear ICBM's.

go back a few thousand years and look at the wars then .
the armies killed every man woman and child , burned there fields , salted the earth put dead people down there wells , just made the land not worth having for years .

then you have the ones that came in killed or inslaved the men and boys and bread the women with there men , took away there native toung and destoried even the name of the peoples .

look to the church , russians , spanish , portugues , all took away the peoples religon , native lanuage , way of life , land , wealth and made it there own .

brazil would be better off with out nukes we all would , as our goverments have never matured enough to use them for any thing other than a big stick , make them harder to deal with when you have a bully with a big family , on a single kid in the school yard .
it comes back to the government of
BECAUSE WE SAY SO .not what is best for all but for me and mine.

time for another look at free will as our governments are taking away what god gave to us

you watch to much FOX and CNN .

they are on the campain trail to put in place the one they want for prez.

they military is held back by congress from completing this war not unlike vietnam , they are all making tons of money off this prolong
fight , so are in no big hurry .
they say so but if they wanted to end this it would be over in two months , not much like nam 2 different times the US had the cong ready to give up but our press made the general public feel so sorry for them the out cry was stop so the war went on for years , not a few months .

the military has the people willing to stay the cores , but our goverment and news people have no balls for it .
you never see on TV News them interviewing the thousands wanting to complete the mission .
you never here of the good that is been done and is still being done even though people like hillry , obama , knnedy , say its a wrong war .
but look at the stock they own ! it is better for them to drag it out for years . as they dont have kids , or members of there famileys in the line of fire , fi they did it would be a different story.

did you see this on fox news a soldigre shot the koran so he was sent home ,
but did you know as a military person a christan one you may not carry the bible over there in your pack or have a cross , star of david , showing . any tatoos with god or the cross must be covered at all times .
we as a people as a world soicity should stand up and tell people this is my beleife and if you dont like it too bad if you want to fight over it than blowing up there reloiugs buildings and destoring they icons should be the first to go . schools that teach hate what type of belife could they have , what is in there minds eye teaching a child to hate because of color , religon , country .
I know we have them in the US and in brazil but would you not think .
this would make the news ,

I rarely watch Fox News or CNN. And I have no gotten my information from those sources. My info was actually obtained from reading a book written by, supposedly, the most respected military historian in Israel, on the changing face of combat.

In his estimation the British have done a superior strategic job in Northern Ireland compared to the American's strategy in Iraq. Be sure the American strategy has been more blunt force and trauma than the British strategy.

As that historian pointed out (he is friends with high ranking military officers across the world by the way) all of the United States high technology has been rendered by-in-large useless against an urban guerrilla enemy that blends into the local population. Satellites in outerspace can not differentiate these combatants from non-combatants. Americans have to hide behind heavy armored caravans when leaving heavily secured compounds. And as that historian points out this is the most demoralized troops since the Vietnam war.

American men generally make good fighting men as that historian noted. However, the *strategy* laid out by upper level officials doomed them to a loosing war (within the scope of the occupation that is). Compounding this the U.S. Government today and historically according to this author has never really given two damns about the mental health of it's citizen soldiers - that is in comparison to the Brits or Israelis who place a greater concern and emphasis on the mental fitness and stability of its troops.

that is in comparison to the Brits or Israelis who place a greater concern and emphasis on the mental fitness and stability of its troops.

I read that to preserve the mental and physical health of their soldiers, the Ozzies decided to pull out of Iraq.True or false?

on some points he is right , but it took thousands of lives and some 1750 years to gain a some what peace in ireland if you know your history that war started with william wallace they only got serious after the IRA killed lord mountbatton on his boat , the the hole sale killing started , and the brits had to treat many of there military for mental stress , .
look at how the brits moved through irland , heavy armored cars .
look at israel to date still moving around in cars with armor and viedo carmas to look out .

the US tech is not without its good points , but with all the rules placed on the military by congress we cant win .
when you have people willing to die for a cause you have to help get there virgins.
even if you have to kill the ones in front guarding the ones with guns

i have been to all thies countries one thing when they fight it is to the death and they dont care what the news says about them shooting a book , child , women, holy man.

this one is for all the marbles and dont think it will stop with the US being defeted , the just like all the others it wll get to every one on the planet .

just like germany would have done if they would have won WWII

Who do you think is going to be your next President? Obama is now the nominee from the Democratic party and McCain from the Repubs.

My bet is on McCain. What say you?

i claim no home land as i dont belive in the governments ability to rule with justice for all .
that goes for all countries and rules of law are

made to protect the rich , famous , and those that made the laws.

i live by the laws of nature and the gun now

i hope they like what they have made , and can live with the fact people are leaving
the US in hole sale numbers never to return or pay taxes , as the
government has s**t on us all for to long

Since 1500 there were 3 invasions of foreign powers trying to get a piece of Brazil - There were 2 French invasions and one Dutch invasion - and all that happened when the total population of the world were less than 1.5 billion people.

Before you know the world will have over 8 billion people and it will be away overcrowded and the countries that have power will try to take over the unprotected patsies like Brazil.

The good news is that today Brazilians still have the mentality of being a colony of somebody else, and Brazilians will adapt very quickly to the new owners of Brazil - as long they throw a soccer tournament to keep the Brazilian masses happy.

You people are assuming that the United States is the country that might try to takeover Brazil in the future. The United States is in the same path as the British Empire and the Soviet Union - the US is an Empire in decline and in complete free fall.

Maybe a first world military country "starving North Korea" can takeover
a 4th world military country such as Brazil.

At the end of the day even Pakistan, North Korea, and India are countries that belong on the short list of elite countries of the world.
The countries armed with nuclear weapons - the ultimate symbol that your country belongs to the major league.

Today Brazil is not playing even in the Serie C and the reality is Brazil is in the league with countries such as Haiti and Grenada - even the warlords of Somalia would be too much of a military force for the Brazilian army today.

North Korea, India and Pakistan all have a ton of uneducated people, but they still have the technology and they are armed with nuclear weapons.

Since I wrote many articles over the years about building nuclear weapons - the most common argument that I heard of why Brazil it does not have the nuclear weapons it is because Brazilians don't have the brain power to build such technology. Otherwise the Brazilians would have done a long time ago.

When you don't have the brain power to develop such a sophisticated technology then you need to find excuses such as we can use the money to educate people, or who is going to attack Brazil anyway? Or we don't need nuclear weapons in South America, and so on....

These are excuses, and excuses for a people who does not have a single Nobel Prize winner and the brain power to develop the nuclear weapons.

Even starving North Korea a small country with almost no money managed to develop nuclear weapons.

Brazil does not have nuclear weapons because of lack of brain power and not because of lack of funds to do it.

There are 2 countries of the first world that can build nuclear weapons overnight if they want to - Germany and Japan. But poor Brazil does not have the know how and that is the reason Brazil is not armed with nukes.

The price to pay for Brazil to become a country of the first world it is develop nuclear weapons - until then Brazil belongs in the same league as Haiti, Somalia, Angola, Congo, Sudan, Paraguay, Bolivia, and Iraq.

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"Today Brazil is not playing even in the Serie C and the reality is Brazil is in the league with countries such as Haiti and Grenada - even the warlords of Somalia would be too much of a military force for the Brazilian army today."

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"The price to pay for Brazil to become a country of the first world it is develop nuclear weapons - until then Brazil belongs in the same league as Haiti, Somalia, Angola, Congo, Sudan, Paraguay, Bolivia, and Iraq."

This is ridiculous. And it's a product of hysteria. Out of close to 200 or so nations on earth Brazil has a military that is in perhaps the top 20 on earth. Brazil has subs, aircraft carriers, and fighter jets and already has a military outfitted for light, rapid, deployments backed with light armored vehicles which is what the U.S. is further transitioning its military for.

Any nation without aircraft carriers is at a serious disadvantage against nations that own these floating cities that can bring war and hell to your front doorstep. There are only a handful of nations on earth that own aircraft carriers and Brazil is one of them.

SAO PAULO, Brazil - Officials in northeastern Brazil say they confiscated the equivalent of more than $170,000 and two pistols from an imprisoned drug trafficker whose jail cell was equipped with a plasma TV set, a refrigerator and gym equipment.

Jose Francisco Leite, head of the state of Bahia's Prison Affairs Department, said the "posh prison life" Genilson Lins da Silva led came to an abrupt end on Monday when police raided his cell as part of a statewide crackdown on drug trafficking.

Leite said Tuesday authorities have ordered an investigation to find out how Silva got the money and guns into his cell.

In the age of laser guided strategic ballistic missiles an Aircraft Carrier it is just a sitting duck waiting to be blown out into pieces.

Basically these giants of the seas from another age, today they have become obsolete for all practical purposes.

Here is some information about the armies of the world and this information it does not take in consideration the size of each countries economies, its population, the size of the country and so on…

If the enclosed list were updated today there is a country that has increased their military spending in the last few years and probably would displace Brazil from the list of the 20 largest armies in the world. That country is Japan.


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Here, according to the U.S. government, are the world's 20 largest armies, as of 1999, the year of the latest survey:

1.) China (PRC): 2.4 million
2.) USA: 1.5 million
3.) India: 1.3 million
4.) North Korea: 1 million
5.) Russia: 900,000
6.) Turkey: 789,000
7.) South Korea: 665,000
8.) Pakistan: 590,000
9.) Vietnam: 485,000
10.) Iran: 460,000
11.) Egypt: 430,000
12.) France: 421,000
13.) Iraq: 420,000 (pre war, of course)
14.) Italy: 391,000
15.) China (Taiwan): 370,000
16.) Burma: 345,000
17.) Ukraine: 340,000
18.) Germany: 331,000
19.) Syria: 310,000
20.) Brazil: 300,000


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Until the 1980s, the flagship of the ocean-going navy was the aircraft carrier Minas Gerais (the ex-British H.M.S. Vengeance), which has been in service since 1945. Purchased from Britain in 1956, the Minas Gerais was reconstructed in the Netherlands in 1960 and refitted extensively in Brazil in the late 1970s, and again in 1993. In 1994 Mário César Flores, a former minister of navy, declared in an interview that the navy would be hard-pressed to defend the Minas Gerais in a conflict.

While the Minas Gerais was not considered likely to be replaced until the next century, it was nonetheless decommissioned in 2001 following the purchase of the French Aircraft Carrier Foch. The Foch, upon entering service with the Brazilian Navy, was renamed the São Paulo. It operates A-4KU. As of July 2002, the fate of the Minais Gerais was still unknown, with China having reportedly made a surprise bid for its purchase.

Note: Foch (R 99) was the second Clemenceau class aircraft carrier. She was the second warship named in honour of Marshal Ferdinand Foch, after a heavy cruiser commissioned in 1932, and scuttled in Toulon on November 27, 1942.

After a 37-year career in the French navy, on November 15, 2000, she was sold to the Brazilian Navy, and renamed Sao Paulo. As of 2007, she is still in service.

After the French got the realistic useful life of the Aircraft Carrier Foch then they found a sucker to buy it and change its name to Sao Paulo. The Sao Paulo has completed 45 years of service in 2008 and still manages to stay afloat.

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joao you have this one

Thanks for the info and let me assure you that Genilson Lins da Silva is not related to me!

btw, Carlos, the Jackal must be getting such privileges (and more) in his "maximum security" prison in France, including high speed Internet connection. After all Hugh is a big admirer of his

Ricardo,

Apparently the American use of aircraft carriers was a big deal to the Iraqis.

Aircraft carriers are obsolete to the extent that it is unlikely any major naval battle will occur again. But they still have a roll in defensive and offensive measures.

Measuring a nations military by the number of its fighting men does not tell everything about that nation's strategic and overall military capabilities. Take your list for example, it ranks pre-war Iraq in 13th place. But it would be wrong to consider the pre-war Iraqi military on par or better than the Brazilian military.

Measuring a nations military by the number of its fighting men does not tell everything about that nation's strategic and overall military capabilities. Take your list for example, it ranks pre-war Iraq in 13th place. But it would be wrong to consider the pre-war Iraqi military on par or better than the Brazilian military.

Were you trained in West Point or a self trained armchair military strategist?

if you think carriers are a setting duck than try to kill that duck.

it is harder than you think . the best place to sink one would be when it is at anchor or better yet tied to the dock , at least then most of its suport craft are standing down and you would have better than 50/50 chance
other than that you would have to shoot at least 15 anti ship missels from the same point to over whelm there defencefive wepons of all the ships invloved with its saftey , you would just have to just keep up with the fire ti you beat it down.

good luck

Were you trained in West Point or a self trained armchair military strategist?

I don't know maybe you should ask the North Vietnamese that or the U.S. military officers that fought against them in Southeast Asia?

I'm not sure Ricardo has any more military experience than me (yes I've served in the U.S. military).

The Iraqi military when I went over in the First Gulf War didn't even have any f*ckin navy. (unless you want to call small boats that) The U.S. military had absolute domination over air and water. Stating that the Brazilian military force is equal to Somalian force or Iraqis is just wrong.

And I don't need to be from West Point to recognize the results of what is happening in Iraq with the U.S. military and the U.S. economy.

Given the landscape and built-up areas in Brazil - from the Amazon to Rio de Janeiro can you imagine what would happen to U.S. forces if they occupied Brazil, in light of what's happened to them in Iraq (with your West Point leadership)?

Before the U.S. ever invaded Iraq I read an essay by a Brazilian military officer detailing how Brazil could never defeat a first world force like that of the United States in conventional war. Therefore, Brazilian special forces would train locals in guerrilla warfare if Brazil was ever invaded by a power like the United States. And Brazil has some of the best jungle fighters in the world. The military police in Rio de Janiero are perhaps some of the best urban street fighters on earth. And Brazilian cities already have a heavily armed population - many of whom already live in environments of de facto urban guerrilla warfare. In other words you'd be walking into built-up territory (urban) with a weathered people who already have developed lines of covert communication. You would also be dealing with a very proud people about their nationality and patrimony.

The US destroyed most of Saddam's army in the First Gulf War in 1992.

Look at the trouble that the Iraq insurgency has been giving the US since the US invaded Iraq in 2003. The Iraqis have been fighting the US with armaments vintage WW II.

Right now it seems to me that the US is desperate to start a war against Iran. If That happens just look how efficient the US Aircraft Carriers are going to be against the long range ballistic missiles of the Iranian army.

Let's see if the Iranians are capable of closing completely the Straight of Hormuz for a couple of months.

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The military police in Rio de Janiero are perhaps some of the best urban street fighters on earth. And Brazilian cities already have a heavily armed population - many of whom already live in environments of de facto urban guerrilla warfare. In other words you'd be walking into built-up territory (urban) with a weathered people who already have developed lines of covert communication. You would also be dealing with a very proud people about their nationality and patrimony.

Besides, we can count on the Venezuelan Army lead by Col.Chavez and FARC to defend our flanks. The Yanks have no chance.

Besides, we can count on the Venezuelan Army lead by Col.Chavez and FARC to defend our flanks.

You forgot to include our other brothern "Montoneros" and "Sendero iluminoso"

if you think carriers are a setting duck than try to kill that duck.

I just got to read your comments. Out of curiosity, is it not the inverted cone theory? The Apex is at the carrier group and the defense encompasses a circle above? Enlighten me on this, please!

ships at anchor loose 20% of there protection , and at the dock in stand down mode
well they have to rely on shore defences .

for instance take your sub at the dock in rio i have driven across the bridge and stoped
and looked down on it hatch open no guards on duty there .

i could have taken a 5 gallon water bottle full of gas and droped it down the hatch
and most any other ship could have been hit by low tech bombs out of a truck using
simple sling shots .
and with anger for the brasilian navy i though about it for a long while and still may do it next time i am down that way , watch the news !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

as far as the brasilian military all could be taken out very fast as most all are in port
or on the tarmac setting targets . take out the major equipment C&C say during carnival how long would it take to amass a fighting force to stop a air battle , and as far a sub launc cruise missels 125 of them could kill the ability for brasil tom talk to one another , then the bridges on the only hwy going north to south in brasil well that would stop most all movement then ele , fuel , TV & raido gone .
BUT WHY would the us want to take over a country with so many built in faults .
not in our wiledest dreams .as far a chaves his days are like cuba in fear for his life built on his hatetrid of his on ideas .

the US wont attic iran as it only poses a threat in there own minds also a little country over there can take care of them as that idiot jimmy carter told the arab world they only had 150 nukes . democrat & republicans should be drug out in the road and shot
but that is just me and about 130 million others in the states .

as far as closeing off the hormuz well after 30 days the world would start to run out of gas 60 days there would be a larger fight for fuel

dont think they could hold it closed for long

Why Americans are so envious of us!

i dont see 2 million americans living illagle in brazil do you ??

where is the enve you talk about

booth countries have grovernments not worth what they are paid , and not worth the power it would take to blow them up.

land mass is about the same .

the deparments of injustices are different as the US enforces its laws on most but let the rich and powerful go free ,
brazil only goes after thoes that can pay them to let them go or some press grabing event .

the only thing i can see i like about brasil is i can kill someone and get away with it easer or not even worrie about it

Today, June 13, 2008 is the date to commemorate the birth date of "The Greatest Man in Brazilian History - Jose Bonifacio de Andrada e Silva".

Jose Bonifacio born on June 13, 1763 and died on April 6, 1838.

My ancestor is the person responsible for uniting Brazil at the time of Brazilian independence, and he kept Brazil from splitting itself in 5 or 6 independent countries as the countries that made the Spanish Empire in South America.

The new generation of Andrada Family descendents will fight to keep Brazil independent as our ancestors did in the past.

You can bet on that.

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June 13, 2008

I just finished talking with my cousin Marina Andrada in Brazil.

She is the historian of the Andrada Family, and she has 8 published books to her credit about our family history. Tonight she is having a book-signing event in Barbacena, state of Minas Gerais and about 400 guests including many VIP’s and a large number of members of the current Andrada Dynasty in Brazil will be present at this event – the most influential people in Minas Gerais state will be attending this historic event.

Marina Andrada chose this special date for her latest book-signing event also to commemorate Jose Bonifacio de Andrada e Silva’s birthday, since Jose Bonifacio was born on June 13, 1763.

She told me that most of the Andrada Clan will be present at this event tonight, and that the new generation of Andrada’s are looking forward to hear her book presentation since they want to learn more about this particular book; a book that covers the history of this branch of the family and its impact on the history of the state of Minas Gerais.

Marina Andrada herself can be considered a family treasure – she is 90 years old and she has the memory of someone half her age – when you speak to her she is like a live encyclopedia since she remembers a ton of events in detail going back 100 years, with names, what happened and so on…

I had a long talk with my cousin Marina also about our family and what is in store for our family in the future.

I am sure she will have great success tonight, and Jose Bonifacio would be very proud of having among his descendents an outstanding person such as Marina Andrada.

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I just finished talking with my cousin Marina Andrada in Brazil.

Ricardo, I missed your comments. I would like to wish Dª.Marina a long life and many more books to write. I don't know if she has written any book about the Revolutions of 1922 or 1964, but her memory should be good to describe those events.

It is a shame that our Government does not want to spend money on the maintenance of the statue of Bonifácio in NYC. I don't know if you remember Ambassador. Sergio Vieira de Melo who died in Baghdad in 2003. There is no mention of him in the local press a few weeks after he passed away. But the Canton of Geneva donated a piece of property to erect a bust for Sergio last year (if I recall correctly).

Shame on us for forgetting our benign heroes.

I hope Dª.Marina has a wonderful get together with the Bonifácio clan today.

Who cares.

Who cares.

Lots of people in this country care and you stay out of it,unless you are a great fan of Hugo Chavez.

I don't understand.Why Americans are so envious of us!

It is very easy to understand if you reflect the following points.

1.We are very good looking 2.We make excellent novelas 3.We are the most careful drivers in the world 4. We work hard to produce food and Ethanol to feed and fuel the world. 5. We discover an oil well every week 6.Our folks have more money in their pockets than never ever before in the history of our country.

Thank God we have a fantastic leader we elected and the Americans are very jealous of us because of our ability to choose good leaders.

In a nutshell: We are smart and they are not.

I hope I was of some help.

more brazilians are killed on your roads than in the US and have only half the population .

your soap opras are so far out of touch with brasilians that well look at your choices
novelas , or secoung class song and dance men with 15 half dressed women to keep the men watching

but you dont feed your own people , and your fuel price is higher than that of the US

what good does it do to find oil if you cant get it , or wont pay to have it explored

yes with one of the lowest minium wage you have money in your pockets , but at what coast , the average person has to steal electricy , water , and burn wood or charcoal to cook , cant afford to feed there family so the get there box of food but only 15 million when you have 40 million that need them .

and your leader a want to be tail of the dog of chaves and castro

some of you have good looks but not you

You asked me if she wrote a book about the Revolutions of 1922 or 1964.

I believe that Marina Andrada is the only great-great-granddaughter of Jose Bonifacio de Andrada e Silva (The Patriarch) who still alive – she is 4th generation.

My grandmother’s grandfather Jose Bonifacio de Andrada e Silva (O Moco - 1827 to 1886) era irmao do avo de Marina Andrada – Antonio Carlos Ribeiro de Andrada (1836 to 1893).

All the politicians of the Andrada Family that have been monopolizing the political scene in the state of Minas Gerais for the last 150 years – they are all descendents of this particular grandfather of Marina Andrada.

Marina’s father had been vereador in Barbacena, then Dep**ado Federal representing Minas Gerais, and later he was Brazilian ambassador in various countries including the US and France.

Because her father was ambassador Marina had the opportunity to live in many countries and meet through her father a lot of important people over the years.

Her brother also was an important figure in Brazilian politics Jose Bonifacio Lafayette de Andrada (nickname Zezinho) (1904 – 1986) – He was Dep**ado Federal da UDN (1945) and president of the Camara dos Dep**ados (196 – he was reelected in 1970 and finaly gave up political life in 1979.

Today Bonifacio Jose Tamm de Andrada is serving his 7th term as Dep**ado Federal for the state of Minas Gerais and he is also the Reitor Unipac an important institution of higher learning in the State of Minas Gerais – this important university with 55,000 students has been created and managed by the efforts of the Andrada family.

Bonifacio Jose Tamm de Andrada was a son of Dep**ado Jose Bonifacio Lafayette de Andrada – and Bonifacio Jose Tamm de Andrada has 4 sons also involved in politics in the state of Minas Gerais. And the new generation of 20-year olds, in that branch of the family, is also taking their first steps towards their new career in politics.

Going back to your question: I have only the last 2 books that Marina Andrada had published and they are great since she documents a lot of things that happened to all these politicians with pictures and letters, and copy of many documents. She did a terrific job on her books.

Over the last 60 years she accumulated a lot of material related to the Andrada Family since friends and relatives, and other people when they found letters, documents, pictures, and had interesting stories to tell her about something related to the Andradas – all these people sent her all this material that became an important repository of Brazilian history.

Since Marina Andrada lived her entire life among politicians, ambassadors, and all kinds of important people not only in Brazil, but also in other countries around the world – I can hear her tell stories for hours.

Every time we talk on the telephone we end up talking for 2 or 3 hours – she has an amazing memory she tells me stories one after another about the politics in Brazil of the 1920’s, and 1930’s in detail and she remember the dates and all the people involved in the events – she talk about events in the early 1900’s as if the events had happened yesterday – I don’t know how she manage to recall the names of so many people and all the detail of the stories from a time long gone.

I am sure that she knows very well about the revolution of 1930 when regional leaderships in several states dissatisfied with the state of São Paulo's political dominance for the last 100 years joined together in opposition and they placed Getulio Vargas in power and she also must know in detail the story of Luiz Carlos Prestes and his failed 1922 tenente rebellion against the coffee oligarchs.

The great depression also helped to create the economic environment that gave the opportunity of someone such as Getulio Vargas to rise into power.

Getulio Vargas had the right ideas and during his tenure he did a lot of good things for Brazil. I would put Getulio Vargas on the category of benevolent dictators.

My family the Souza Queiroz and the Andradas had dominated political life in the state of Sao Paulo and in Brazil for over 100 years up to the early 1930’s - Only the Minas Gerais branch of the Andrada Family still going strong to this day in Brazilian politics.

You can see the Andrada Family tree on this website:

http://www.camara.gov.br/bonif...astia.html


The new generation of Andradas is very close to the current governor of the state of Minas Gerais – Aecio Neves – and they have been friends since they were kids.

Aecio Neves is the grandson of former president Tancredo Neves. In 1987, Neves was elected to the Federal Chamber of Deputies (House of Representatives) from his home state of Minas Gerais and served until 2002. He was president of the Chamber of Deputies (Speaker of the House) in 2001. He was elected governor of Minas Gerais in 2003.

Today, Aecio Neves is considered a strong potential candidate for the 2010 Brazilian Presidential Elections.
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Hi Ricardo,

Thanks for your reply with full of rich details some of which I already knew and some new ones.I hope Dª. Marina had a wonderful family get together befitting a 90 year old matriarch.

Aecio Neves is the grandson of former president Tancredo Neves. In 1987, Neves was elected to the Federal Chamber of Deputies (House of Representatives) from his home state of Minas Gerais and served until 2002. He was president of the Chamber of Deputies (Speaker of the House) in 2001. He was elected governor of Minas Gerais in 2003.

Today, Aecio Neves is considered a strong potential candidate for the 2010 Brazilian Presidential Elections.

I remember this part of the history very well as well as aware of the fact that Aécio Neves is a potential candidate for 2010. However, Lula´s preferred candidate is Dilma who is also "Mineira" by birth, though she made her political career in RS. She also has the additional advantage of being a revolutionary who fought against the "dictatorship", besides being the "Mother" of PAC.

IMHO, the coming Municipal elections will define how things are going to work out in 2010. In general, I am quite disillusioned with all the political parties and the same old politicians.

Thanks once again for the informative comments.

some of you have good looks but not you

That was not exactly a compliment to me, Mr.Brown. But there again I belong to the minority

In one of my conversations with Marina Andrada I asked her why one of the Andradas of her side of the family don't run for senator?

She told me that they are more interested in being elected as Dep**ados and at all levels of local state politics, because from their positions they can help improve as much as they can the cities on the state of Minas Gerais. They want to be able to help the local population that is why many members of the family are involved with Unipac and many Andradas teach at that university - they have 55,000 students and the university is creating new branches to reach as many people as they can in the state of Minas Gerais.

As a senator they would have to spend more time on national issues.

By the way, when Getulio Vargas became dictator in the early 1930's he asked my grandfather to resign from his position at Banco do Brasil - at that time my grandfather was one of the senior executives of that bank.
Getulio asked my grandfather to resign because my grandfather was a very good friend of Washington Luiz the Brazilian president who had just finished his term in office.

My grandfather had a large picture of Washington Luiz on the wall of his office at the bank - and after Getulio Vargas came into power the new administration asked my grandfather to take down Washington Luiz picture and replace it with one of Getulio Vargas picture. After my grandfather refused to do it after a number of times then Getulio asked him to resign from his position at the bank. At that time my grandfather was already thinking about retiring anyway after working for that bank for over 35 years.

At his retirement party the bank gave my grandfather this huge clock with a base in white marble - the clock weighted a ton and in the side of the marble there was a plate in 21 carats gold (in solid gold) with his name and thanking him for such number of years of excellent service for that bank. I don't know what happened to that huge clock over the years, but my father saved the 21 carat gold plate and he gave to me years ago, and I still have it.

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not on the out side but from within .
take ChC and costa what would you take them for if you met them on the street

and thise days what is a minority ??

some one who is what color ? not rich ? ugly ? some one unschooled ? not famous ?

well, not as many as you might think. most americans dont think that much about brazil. they have some stereotypes in thier heads, but, not the "jungle banana, buenos aires is the capital " cliches that many brazilians think the americans have. most americans are very ignorant of brazil and south america.

A very good news Forrest. Read the following story (if you have not read it already in some English website!):

http://www.estadao.com.br/esta...9690,0.php

McCain is full of praise for Brazil. isn't it wonderful?

btw, was McCain a well known figure, while you were in Vietnam? His father was the Admiral of the 5th fleet, wasn't he, when his son was a POW? It would be interesting to hear your version of the story.

She told me that they are more interested in being elected as Dep**ados and at all levels of local state politics, because from their positions they can help improve as much as they can the cities on the state of Minas Gerais. They want to be able to help the local population that is why many members of the family are involved with Unipac and many Andradas teach at that university - they have 55,000 students and the university is creating new branches to reach as many people as they can in the state of Minas Gerais.

If one stops to think, the attitude of your family members (as well as the other traditional families) make sense. In the good old days, the politicians were interested in developing their home states and municipalities. One great admiration, I have is for the state of PR, for this reason. However, nowadays, elected offices have become more of job opportunities for un(or half)educated folks as well as to make money.Look at the salaries of our vereadores,dep**ados and senadores and the perqs that come along with their jobs. All voted by themselves.It is amazing to hear the amount of bulls**t from these guys.

By the way, when Getulio Vargas became dictator in the early 1930's he asked my grandfather to resign from his position at Banco do Brasil - at that time my grandfather was one of the senior executives of that bank.
Getulio asked my grandfather to resign because my grandfather was a very good friend of Washington Luiz the Brazilian president who had just finished his term in office.

It is pure witch hunt and these days, it has become more a norm than exception.When you used the word "Dictator" for Getulio, I could not help laughing, because you used the right term! btw, I get extremely wary about the leftist leaders who promote their image paying lip service to the poor!!

At his retirement party the bank gave my grandfather this huge clock with a base in white marble - the clock weighted a ton and in the side of the marble there was a plate in 21 carats gold (in solid gold) with his name and thanking him for such number of years of excellent service for that bank. I don't know what happened to that huge clock over the years, but my father saved the 21 carat gold plate and he gave to me years ago, and I still have it.

That is a nice story and I am glad that you still have the 21 k gold plate, without the clock. Preserve it. You must know Banco do Brasil is one of the oldest institutions in Brazil. I hope they don't privatize it.

Thank you for sharing with us on some of the nice contributions your family made to Brazil.

btw, an American Mathematician living in Rio wrote an article titled "BRAZILIAN JIHAD: SUICIDE ATTACK ON COPACABANA BEACH." narrating the 1922 revolution. I thought he had painstakingly researched the archives and wrote the article which was very interesting.Of course, it did not receive any comments except mine. Unfortunately, the Brazilian TV networks do not make any effort to educate the people about history. Sad, but true.

You have a great week and look forward to be in touch.

most americans are very ignorant of brazil and south america.

Sadly true. That is the reason, we are requesting our fellow blogger Admiral.Brown to organize lectures in various universities in U.S. to talk about Brazil and S.America.That is subject to the condition that he is paid a hefty sum by our respective governments!

run by the people and any topic they want to speak about as long as they can prove it to be true !!!!
in the states they have several shows about the charcoal people , poverty and the numbers of children women have with no food coming into the house /.the police killings and lack of true law enforcement . and then there is the carnvial ,

but the internet is where most people get there doce of brasil and belive me they are not all that good on brasil , more porn sites than any other country .

of corse now you have a US senator trying to pass a bill that simpley states during the sound check or after the press confrence is over any thing said may not be put on air unless cleard by the person that said it staff .

so much for freedom of the press , or the right to know !

as that would have put him in more danger than he was .

it was not till after all had ended it came out .

how many times has he been to brazil ??? too me he is blowing hot up your butts .looking for votes and trying to increse his popularti in the latin eyes !i will send him a letter to find out more

how many times has he been to brazil ??? too me he is blowing hot up your butts .looking for votes and trying to increse his popularti in the latin eyes !i will send him a letter to find out more

You are absolutely right to ask these questions and thanks for your honest comments in reply to mine!! You better send the letter. I have a feeling that if Obama wins, he is not going to pay any attention to Latin America either, because he would be busy in resolving more important issues.

btw, I went through the following link suggested by a very good American friend of mine about McCain:

http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/

It is quite informative. In 2004, John Kerry, the husband of Heinz Heiress and a Vietnam veteran wanted to be the President. Now in 2008, John McCain, the husband of a heiress of a tycoon from Arizona wants to lead the "free world"!!

You guys have "war heroes" to lead the herd and we have "pai dos pobres" and "mae do PAC" to assume that role!!!

Well, it is a Mad,Mad,Mad world.(I am sure you have seen that movie)

btw, are you still in the eastern seas?

too bad for us they are the ones incharge

or with most the money to

pay off the law

so it will be up to us to make the law count for every one

truck lagoon

truck lagoon

Your coded message received loud and clear and thank you. Do a good job!

With best regards

IT'S warst our time.

Mind shutting up? Get off the blog and stop promoting this s**t.

We have low tolerance for self promoters.

I just finished talking with my cousin Marina Andrada in Brazil.

I searched the web and I found this information mentioning the book signing event that she had on June 13, 2008.

The article also includes a picture of Marina Andrada, and you can read it at:

http://www.city10.com.br/notic...6-08 1.htm

Today when I was talking to Marina I asked her if she was the last great great granddaughter of Jose Bonifacio de Andrada e Silva (The Patriarch) who still alive.

She told me that a first cousin Maria Gabriela de Andrada Serpa also is alive and well. Maria Gabriela de Andrada Serpa is the daughter of one of Marina Andrada fathers brothers.

There are various members of the family including Marina Andrada and our cousin Maria Gabriela de Andrada Serpa who are the owners of the Fazenda da Borda do Campo. This Fazenda is protected by law because of its historic past.

Marina is sending me a copy of her book that I look forward to read it.

We spent one hour and half talking on the telephone, and every time I talk to her it is an amazing history lesson to me – she is like a living encyclopedia and she really knows the history of Brazil in detail.

But I need to tell you two things that she told me today. First, I want to remind you that she is 90 years old.

She told me that a few months back one of her sons went by her house riding a motorcycle and he was on his way to his brother’s farm a few miles away. Marina was working on her garden when he went by and asked her if she wanted to go with him to visit his brother.

She told me that she said yes that she wanted to go. She told me that she were wearing pants because she was working on her garden, then she did sit on the back of her son’s motorcycle and held as hard as she could around his waist and she went to visit her other son in that fashion.

She also told me that she rides her horses very frequently. She told me a story that happened the other day when she was ready to ride her horse – she mounted her horse and she wanted to carry her little dog under her arm, but her horse did not want to move and was getting very agitated until she placed the dog on the ground - her horse as very angry about having a dog on his back.

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Hi Ricardo,

Thanks for the anecdotes and I loved that one about Dª Marina´s horse refusing to budge with a dog on its back! You should record all the conversation you have with her to write articles about the history-I am serious!

I tried to go through the link you gave me:http://www.city10.com.br/notic...6-08 1.htm

and all I get is the message "Server error". Mind checking and giving me the correct address?

What does she think about the current "(mis)government"? Would love to hear her views.

I don't know what happened to the original link, but try this one:

http://www.city10.com.br/notic...6-08 1.htm

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http://www.city10.com.br/notic...6-08 1.htm

I post the correct web address, but when I post on this forum something happens to the web address.

Try to go directly from your computer. Here is the correct web address:

http://www.city10.com.br/noticias_bca/10-6-08 1.htm


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This is the part that disappears when I post the information.

bca/10-6-08 1.htm

I don't know why this system doesn't let me post the percentage sign as part of the address.

Anyway, after the date 10-6-08 there is a percentage sign followed by the number 201 then point and htm

I think that the webmaster finally woke up! The site http://www.city10.com.br/notic...-08 1.htm is working perfectly well now. Will go through it. I did not know that Dª.Marina´s last name is Ibrahim.The state of MG has many Brasilians of Syrian-Lebanese descendants. Their contribution to Brazil is also quite significant.

If you copy the full link and paste it on your browser, there is not problem of accessing it: http://www.city10.com.br/noticias_bca/10-6-08 1.htm!

I read something interesting:

Católica praticante, monarquista e no conceito moderno da literatura, uma memorialista.

What are her reasons for her to be a "Monarquista" ? I have heard many older people of he generation saying the same thing, without giving adequate explanations.

btw, in the picture, she does not look 90.

You may also find the article in the following link interesting:

http://www.clubemilitar.com.br...ataque.htm

This site does not have any problem!!

Hi Ricardo,

Do you mind sending me an e-mail? I lost it somehow, but I need to talk to you about something very important.

Thanks!

Thanks for the e-mail, I have replied to you!

Joao,

You asked me why Marina Andrada is a monarchist – “What are her reasons for her to be a "Monarquista" ? I have heard many older people of he generation saying the same thing, without giving adequate explanations.”

Here is you answer:

She has been a very close friend for decades of the Orleans-Bragança branch of the Brazilian Royal Family who are the current heirs to the Brazilian monarchy.

Prince Luís Gastão of Orléans-Bragança goes on special occasions to Barbacena or Belo Horizonte to visit Marina Andrada, and he is the godfather of a few of Marina Andrada’s children.

Brazilian Royal Family:

Prince Pedro Henrique of Orleans-Bragança was the chief of the imperial house until his death in 1981. He and his wife, Princess Maria of Bavaria had 12 children:

Prince Luís Gastão of Orléans-Bragança (193 is the present Head of the Imperial House of Brazil.

Basically, Marina and myself are long distance cousins of these Braganca branch, since Jose Bonifacio de Andrada e Silva (The Patriarch) was a great great grandson of the 7th Duke of Bragança as you can see on the info listed below.

This is a list that I made to explain to someone about my ancestors.

I am 4th generation from Senator Jose Bonifacio de Andrada e Silva (O Moco) and Marina Andrada was 2nd generation from his younger brother.


Going back on my family tree I had many important ancestors, for example:

I am 4th generation from Senator Jose Bonifacio de Andrada e Silva
(He was the grandson of The Patriarch of independence)

I am 5th generation from Martim Francisco Ribeiro de Andrada
(He wrote the document declaring the independence of Brazil)

I am 6th generation from Jose Bonifacio de Andrada e Silva (Patriarca da Independencia) (He is responsible for the independence of Brazil from Portugal)

I am 4th generation from Senator Francisco Souza Queiroz - Barão de Souza Queiroz

I am 5th generation from Brigadier Luiz Antonio de Souza - Barão de Souza Queiroz

I am 5th generation from Senator Nicolau Campos Vergueiro (Regent of the Empire).

I am 9th generation from a younger brother of Dom João lV (Bragança Dynasty)

I am 12th generation from Dom João III (Aviz Dynasty)

I am 10th generation from the 7th Duke of Bragança

I am 11th generation from the 6th Duke of Bragança

I am 12th generation from the 5th Duke of Bragança

I am 13th generation from the 4th Duke of Bragança

I am 14th generation from the 3rd Duke of Bragança

I am 15th generation from the 2nd Duke of Bragança

I am 16th generation from the 1st Duke of Bragança
(The 1st Duke of Braganca was a son of Dom Joao I )

I am 17th generation from Dom João I and his Queen Philippa of Lancaster
(Portuguese King and his English Queen)

I am 18th generation from John the Gaunt (Lancaster Dynasty) father of Queen Philippa. (He is the father of Queen Philippa of Lancaster)


Royal House:

Dom João I and Dom João III were both kings of Portugal from the Aviz Dynasty.

John the Gaunt was king of England from the Lancaster Dynasty.

The two Emperors of Brazil also were descendants of the 7th Duke of Bragança, since the 8th Duke of Bragança became Dom João IV king of Portugal.


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As you can see by the above info Marina Andrada and I are both descendants of 2 kings of Portugal, and one king of England.

Our family was part of the Portuguese Royal Family going back for centuries, and the Andrada family was always very close to the Brazilian Royal Family.

Don’t forget Jose Bonifacio turned down a number of times the request from Dom Pedro, since Dom Pedro I wanted to go back to Portugal, and he wanted Jose Bonifacio to be the first Emperor of Brazil.

Dom Pedro I, asked Jose Bonifacio again for him to become the second Emperor of Brazil when he was ready to resign to go back to Portugal. Jose Bonifacio turned him down a number of times at that time – and Jose Bonifacio did not want to become the tutor of Dom Pedro II, but Dom Pedro I told him that he did not have a choice in that matter since he already had nominated and made official that Jose Bonifacio be the tutor of his son.

As you can see Marina Andrada has a very good reason to still be a monarchist to this day.

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