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In Brazil, Rule of Law Is for the Birds PDF Print E-mail
Written by Augusto Zimmermann   
Tuesday, 17 June 2008 18:19

Brazil's police car Brazil is a nation suffering from a substantial lack of commitment to the rule of law. As a result, most of what happens in Brazil lies outside the statute books and law reports. In that country there is indeed a very sharp contrast between, on the one hand, statutes and the written texts of the constitution, and, on the other hand, the daily life as demonstrated in the dealings between individuals and public authorities.

In an important survey conducted by DaMatta in the mid 1980s, citizens in Brazil were asked how they classify a person who obeys the law. The common answer was that such a person must be an individual of "inferior" social status. But when asked about a wealthy person who wishes to obey the law, the common answer to this situation was that this person is simply a babaca (fool). DaMatta then concluded from this empirical research that, in Brazil, "compliance with law conveys the impression of anonymity and great inferiority".

In Brazil, social status is far more important than any protection of the law, because laws are generally perceived as not being necessarily applied to everyone. Unlike a typical North American citizen who would use the law to protect him-or-herself against any situation of social adversity, a citizen in Brazil would instead appeal to his or her social status.

Respecting the law in this country implies a condition of social inferiority and disadvantage that renders one subject to it. As the late historian José Honório Rodrigues observed: "In Brazil, personal liking is above the law". And so the familiar Brazilian maxim: "Para os amigos tudo, para os indiferentes nada, e para os inimigos a lei" (For my friends, everything; for strangers, nothing; for my enemies - the law!).

Since Brazil's society stresses direct relations based on personal liking as opposed to formal relations which are based on the law, the greatest fear of Brazilians is that of eventually becoming an isolated citizen. The isolated citizen is an inferior who is reduced to the condition of being merely "under" the law.

Accordingly, people without the necessary ability to develop such relationship ties have "only" the law on which to depend, whereas a citizen with "good" friends can also obtain any "special" treatment from the state and other institutions of prestige.

A phrase that is typically applied by people who expect such "special treatment" is "Você sabe com quem está falando?" ("Do you know whom you are talking to?"). It is often used by those who wish to somehow disobey formal rules, and as such it can be applied to a vast range of situations. A common application is when a police officer is "daring" to apply a fine for parking infringement. In such a case it is the officer himself who risks being punished if he tries to enforce the law.

It is not so much that the individual declaring personal exemption from the law necessarily views it as being wrong or unfair; it is just that he or she believes the law does not apply to a person like him or her. To obey it would be beneath him or her. The premise is that he or she possesses the privilege of being "more equal" than others, and so exercises the prerogative to ignore the law with impunity and utter arrogance. This sort of behaviour, argues history professor José Murilo de Carvalho, might be provoked by the mixed nature of the Brazilian citizen which he describes in the following terms:

"Master and slave live together inside him. When occupying positions of power he exhibits the arrogance of a master, when outside power he oscillates between servility and rebelliousness. A true citizen conscious of his (legal) rights and mindful of the rights of others did not develop... This cultural trait may help to explain the persistence of (social) inequality whose major victims are the descendents of the former slaves.

In reality, the fact that many people in Brazil often consider themselves above the law might be a legacy of the institution of slavery infecting contemporary Brazilian society. The hypothesis posits that slavery might have contributed to a low value being placed on compliance with law. While slavery was abolished a long time ago, in May 1888, a master-slave mentality might still permeate Brazil's social relations. According to Joseph A. Page,

"There are... societal ills that can be traced at least in part to slavery. For example, the slave owner could do as he pleased with his slaves without having to answer to anyone for the consequences of his actions. The master-slave relationship replicated the medieval relationship between Portuguese king and his subjects, and it came to define the link between the powerful and the powerless in Brazil... Indeed, a sense of being above the law became a prerogative of the nation's haves. The notion of impunity - the avoidance of personal responsibility - became deeply ingrained in Brazilianness and has proved a barrier to development."

To understand the reasons for problems blocking the rule of law from taking hold in Brazilian society, we need to investigate these patterns of social behaviour that inhibit the normal respect for legal norms and principles.

The abysmal difference in Brazil between legal provisions and reality, bears a good testimony to the fact that "good laws" might be important, but what really matters is individual, straightforward conduct, which in turn is the natural result of a culture of legality entailing the willingness by all citizens, including judges and politicians, to honestly respect legal obligations.

Indeed, Brazil does not have the rule of law because Brazilians have not yet developed this kind of culture.

Augusto Zimmermann, LLB, LLM, PhD is a Law Lecturer at Murdoch University, Western Australia. This article is based on a paper presented at annual conference of the Australian Society of Legal Philosophy, June 13-15 2008.

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Dr.Zimmermann strikes again!
written by João da Silva, June 17, 2008
A splendid article and my kudos again. We do need more Brasilians like Augusto and Ricardo to write such articles, questioning the lack of commitment to law in this country, not disregarding the fact that there are several hundreds of thousands of Brasilians that share their views. Let me cite a few examples from my own experience.

But when asked about a wealthy person who wishes to obey the law, the common answer to this situation was that this person is simply a babaca (fool).


I am not wealthy at all, but just a middle class person.But I obey all the laws, including the traffic rules. When I stop my car at a pedestrian crossing to let the people cross teh street, I get harassed by other drivers some of whom call me a "babacão" and some others (especially the lady drivers) show me fingers! Lately I have seen that evern the cops dont give a damn about pedestrian crossings. Because they are "autoridades maximas" (The highest authorities) and above any blooddy law.

Since Brazil's society stresses direct relations based on personal liking as opposed to formal relations which are based on the law, the greatest fear of Brazilians is that of eventually becoming an isolated citizen. The isolated citizen is an inferior who is reduced to the condition of being merely "under" the law.


Spot on again, Dr.Zimmermann. 100% correct. He becomes not only isolated but a "pariah" (because "ele não tem jogo de cintura")!!

"Master and slave live together inside him. When occupying positions of power he exhibits the arrogance of a master, when outside power he oscillates between servility and rebelliousness.


Augusto is brutally blunt again". Even the "Zelador" of a building becomes arrogant, when occupying power.Imagine the "doutores" in the justice system.They are beyond any control!! Have experienced this too.

The abysmal difference in Brazil between legal provisions and reality, bears a good testimony to the fact that "good laws" might be important, but what really matters is individual, straightforward conduct, which in turn is the natural result of a culture of legality entailing the willingness by all citizens, including judges and politicians, to honestly respect legal obligations.


100% correct again.

Indeed, Brazil does not have the rule of law because Brazilians have not yet developed this kind of culture.


Sadly, it will take many more years to develop this culture.

I enjoyed reading the article and kudos again to Zimmermann.
Spot on
written by jakob, June 17, 2008
Ditto about rules and laws in Brazil...

When I try to cross the street, it's amazing how EVERY motorists cuts into my path, and does NOT stop to let me pass...

Sometimes, even when I'm already 2 meters into the street, they STILL do not stop ... I am amazed every time at this insensitivity, rudeness and lack of civility. As if I, a "mere" pedestrian, have absolutely no rights with respect to car drivers ... Stunning, this lack of upbringing.

But hey, it's "culture"!
Great Article!
written by Gringo, June 18, 2008
I enjoyed this article for it explains much, and probably more than the author initially intended.

And so the familiar Brazilian maxim: "Para os amigos tudo, para os indiferentes nada, e para os inimigos a lei" (For my friends, everything; for strangers, nothing; for my enemies - the law!).


This line is brilliant and I’ll commend Zimmermann for resurrecting it. Apart for the blatant disrespect for laws, it also highlights a blatant disrespect for anyone that is not part of a specific “tribo” or family. This is why certain day-to-day Brazilian dealings and interactions, although perfectly legal, are still considered by most non-Brazilians as disrespectful, impolite and dare I say, morally reprehensible. Let me chime in here and now with my caveat! NOT ALL. I’ve met one or two. I know they exist.

Of course, I grew up in Canada where it was drilled into our heads from the first moment of awareness to respect everyone, and to never let a good deed go unanswered. Canadians are notorious for politeness and showing respect for others, maybe to a fault. Of course, it didn’t take on all, but the French aside; I find myself in daily conflict here with the Brazilian “every man for himself, f**k the women and children first” mentality. In my opinion, on the issue of manners, you can’t find a greater degree of contrast between two nations. I do suffer.

While this self-absorbed mentality in Brazil can be linked to crime and corruption (like our author has aptly argued) it is also intricately linked to pathetic driving habits, taking advantage of others, a complete disregard for manners, abandoning children, the exploitation of children, and well, this website provides gigabytes of examples to read through, so I won’t waste my time highlighting what is common knowledge to most here.

Not a day goes by when I don’t shake my head in total and complete bewilderment at how individuals here act and how they treat one another. But it is contagious. After years of going out of my way to be polite and not ever having it reciprocated, or worse, having good intensions abused and taken advantage off, I find myself these days -- not out of habit or revenge, but out of a “why bother” submission to defeat – of doing things that years ago would have shocked me. Maybe I am becoming Brazilian after all?

João, as for the pedestrian crossings, I’ll only add that here it is not always the motorists fault. The Municipality, in their excitement of thinking that by painting lines on the roads would make the town look more “first worldish”, forgot to think about where those lines would best be served. In most cases, it is next to impossible for motorists to see the crossing in time to stop. So it’s a combination of poor selfish driving habits with typical political bumbling and incompetence that leaves our roads dangerous to cross.

But we’re kicking gringo but in the Amazon and talking tough with the WTO, so why bitch about things here that actually may affect lives, eh?
Gringo
written by João da Silva, June 18, 2008
João, as for the pedestrian crossings, I’ll only add that here it is not always the motorists fault. The Municipality, in their excitement of thinking that by painting lines on the roads would make the town look more “first worldish”, forgot to think about where those lines would best be served. In most cases, it is next to impossible for motorists to see the crossing in time to stop. So it’s a combination of poor selfish driving habits with typical political bumbling and incompetence that leaves our roads dangerous to cross.


My apologies for not having mentioned about the bumbling,incompetent and arrogant politicos who interfere in such silly matters as where to paint the white lines for the pedestrian x-sing.A point well observed by you and well taken by me. My observation too while driving around our city, where you must have noticed that even the traffic signal lights are either ill placed or not well synchronized to permit a smooth flow of traffic.

Maybe I am becoming Brazilian after all?


No, you will never be and don't try to do that.Be what you are and we need good outspoken people to question. Being different makes a lot of difference.

But we’re kicking gringo but in the Amazon and talking tough with the WTO, so why bitch about things here that actually may affect lives, eh?


I still wonder if this law is going to passed.All "Fogo de Palha". Besides, you have plenty of Tainha and I good quanity of "Pinhão". No wories smilies/wink.gif

Brazen yourself for some cold days ahead of us.Tomorrow is supposed to be a cold and rainy day.
transulat into pourtguese and see if any paper in brazil will print
written by Forrest Allen Brown, June 18, 2008
should be written on the bathroom walls in the courts .
and the halls of congress

let the people hold them responsable for there actions .
in brazil and the US.

bunch of thiefes they are
laws are only good intentions unless they immediately degenerate into hard work.
written by Forrest Allen Brown, June 18, 2008
than brazil elite just give up and punsh the poor

and the gringoes

if you give up all hope than you have nothing to loose

as you have nothing worth taking
Falar tainha! Agua na boca...
written by Gringo, June 18, 2008
Yes, the magic that keeps us sane. These bits of blessedness, such as sun, sea and our yearly tainha harvest. With a chill in the air, it´s now time for Canja, and if I beg, I can get the wife to make the greatest soup on earth, Pato no tucupi, that always warms the c**kles (although the tucupi is super hard to find).

No, you will never be and don't try to do that.Be what you are and we need good outspoken people to question. Being different makes a lot of difference.


Nothing wrong with some give n take. No one, anywhere, being a foreigner survives without adjustment. Gringos here or Brazilans abroad. And here, everyone whines... the Paulistas complain about the Manézinhos, the Manézinhos complain about the gringos, and the gringos complain about everyone. And no wories, no matter how much I adapt, I´ll always have an unpopular opinion to express whether its called for or not.

Brazen yourself for some cold days ahead of us.Tomorrow is supposed to be a cold and rainy day.


I don´t mind the cold, but oh the rain. I´ve not seen such a wet year. La Nina they say...
'A democracy is always temporary in nature;
written by Forrest Allen Brown, June 19, 2008
it simply cannot existas a permanent form of government.'A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that congress discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury.From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years'. During those 200 years,those nations always progressed through the following sequence:
1. From bondage to spiritual faith;
2. From spiritual faith to great courage;
3. From courage to liberty;
4. From liberty to abundance;
5. From abundance to complacency;
6. From complacency to apathy;
7. From apathy to dependence;
8. From dependence back into bondage'

Professor Joseph Olson of Hemline University School > of Law, St. Paul, Minnesota, points out some interesting fact sconcerning the 2000 Presidential election:> > Number of States won by: > Gore: 19> Bush: 29> > Square miles of land won by: > Gore: 580,000 > Bush: 2,427,000 > > Population of counties won by: > Gore: 127 million> Bush: 143 million> > Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: > Gore: 13.2> Bush: 2.1> > Professor Olson adds: 'In aggregate, the map of the territory Bush won was mostly the land owned by > the taxpaying citizens of this country. > Gore's territory mostly encompassed those citizens living ingovernment tenements and living > off various forms of government welfare...' Olson believes theUnited States is now somewhere > between the 'complacency and apathy' phase some forty percent of the nation's population > already having reached the 'governmental > dependency' phase. >
"Indeed, Brazil does not have the rule of law because Brazilians have not yet developed this kind of culture."
written by ch.c., June 19, 2008
Yesssss and Nooo....Joao

Reality is much bleaker than that :
- Brazil has thousands of good laws
- But the lawmakers who voted these laws also voted hundreds of laws that protect them for the breach of the good laws !

And of course....if you are not a politician or a high ranking official, money can buy your breach of laws !

But if you have no money you will end up for months in jail.....not even getting a judgement. And when the judgement is given..... 3, 4 or 5 years for petty thieves who have stolen.....an apple !

This is the rule of Brazilian laws, not..... NOT the rule of laws.
Do you catch what I mean !

Things are even much darker : a Brazilian judge is not obliged to follow the written laws, he has total freedom to interpret or not the laws...as it pleases HIM only.
If you dont trust me, you can find this "Brazilian principle" through hundreds of reports and articles in the Net, even from Brazilian sources.
Therefore it becomes quite "normal" that a judge will free a criminal and send a petty thieve for years in jail....since it became THE JUDGE DECISION REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE WRITTEN LAWS SAY !!!!!

Do you understand the filthy system you are living in ????
CHC – Chronicle Herpes Carrier
written by ..., June 19, 2008
The man with itchy genitalia!

What you lack in intelligence, you more than make up for in stupidity.

Hehehe

Costinha
corruption
written by Linke, June 19, 2008
bad... bad news! smilies/cry.gif

there are places ... like in nordeste ... uses the chickens to atract the turists: esporte estranho: chicken runs...
CH.C
written by Forrest Allen Brown, June 19, 2008
you are right in that statement

as even if the brasilian is wrong in the laws of brasil and he is up

on trail with a gringo the gringo always losses

unless the judge can get some sort of larg money deal from the gringo

then he plays the two off on each other till the gringo runs out of money

or the fed deport him and then the brasilians police or navy claim it as abandon

costinha do some thing good for us and your country

kill your self it would raise the IQ of brasil if you were gone
respect
written by bo, June 23, 2008
Very few people have respect here for others and/or the law. Yet when one disrespects someone else, at least here in the northeast, the people get very agressive.

Is it any wonder why 55,000 die from violence a year and another 40K die from auto accidents?

And yes, in the U.S. 40K die per year in auto accidents as well. But they have 8X the number of cars and registered drivers. Proportionally speaking, if Brazil had the same number of cars and motorists as the U.S. over 300,000 people would die per year in Brazil due to auto accidents.

That's insane.
...
written by Thaddeus Blanchette, June 23, 2008
I don't know what's sadder, the fact that Zimmerman has simply restated a classic Brazilian anthropology article by Da Matta - written over a quarter century ago, no less - on the "relational society", or the fact that many of the gringos, above, seem to see this as new and devastingly original work.

Folks, read "Carnivals, Rogues and Heroes". What Zimmerman's saying has been known for a good long while down here. It ain't news.
Why bother reading new
written by Gringo, June 23, 2008
I don't know what's sadder, the fact that Zimmerman has simply restated a classic Brazilian anthropology article by Da Matta - written over a quarter century ago, no less


What's really sad is that this has been known for so long and nothing has changed.
bo
written by João da Silva, June 23, 2008
Long time no hear. You been sowing wild "feijão" in the nordeste, Bo?
João
written by bo, June 25, 2008
Been trying to keep alive João. Finally Aracaju is starting to develop. The land here is starting to appreciate and it looks like me and my partners are just going to sell. With the devaluation of the dollar and GBP and the appreciation of our assets we've done well.

Aracaju just recently won the award as being the capitol of Brazil of having the best quality of life....believe it or not. Now, if they could just get rid of the Sergipanos!
...
written by Macunaima, June 27, 2008
"Now if only they could just get rid of the Sergipanos!"

No doubt, Bo. Because hormone-ridden yankee mountain trash like yourself are much better people.
No...not better,
written by bo, June 27, 2008
just more polite.
To Gringo "What's really sad is that this has been known for so long and nothing has changed"
written by ch.c., July 02, 2008
You said it all.
But junkies here disagree !

smilies/wink.gif
Sounds like America
written by U.S. law student, July 17, 2008
I am an American Law Student. I will be traveling to Brazil in a week to learn about and contrast Brazilian Law with American laws.
The sad story is that in many ways this is not that different from law in America. The wealthy & powerful often try to escape trouble by virtue of their position. It is only when public opinion turns against them that they find themselves unable to escape the law. The only way America has escaped some of the problems between the haves & the have nots is through protesting, rioting, and other forms of resistence. When those that see themselves as the lower class & voiceless grow in number, education, and influence the world evolves for everyone. But the real question is Does Brazil really want to be more like America or does Brazil want to be Brazil? I think Americans sometimes take the law too far.
I would like to learn more about Brazilian's and the law. Other than "Carnivals, Rogues, & Heroes" is there anything else I can read online?
I am interested in any thoughts you may have.
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