Brazzil

Have things really reached such a depressing state that you no longer associate ideas like ethics and morality with day-to-day political life? If so, then I wonder if there is any point in continuing to try and following what is happening in Brazilian politics.

The author has to look at the top of the home page of this magazine and he will see that the publishers are "trying to understand Brazil since 1989". It requires persistence, perseverance and patience. So I recommend that he continues exercising these three important traits and to " try and follow what is happening in Brazilian politics". He may never accomplish the goal, but it is worth keep on trying than to give up.

can make a difference !!!!!

as long as he does not get put out of there

misery by one of there helpers .

again just stop doing for the officals .

give them back what they give to you

take back what they have taken from you

never lose your dream of a correct congress .

with honor , and out to help the people first

the US has lost this and people dont give a hoot

so why even pay taxes or obey the laws they dont

one good man with a goal

Very interesting comments, Forrest. I wholeheartedly agree with you, as many intelligent people would do. Thanks for the words of wisdom.

The absurdity is that, even if one successfully understands Brasilian politics, there is only one inevitable conclusion: It is irreperably corrupt and forever broken. It is that way now, has always been that way, and will always be that way.

Brasilians are forever optimistic, hence the "country of the future" cliche. But when it comes to politics, that optimism is surely misplaced. As a Brasilian, it is my contention that the immorality of politics here reflects the general immorality of the people. That, too, is unlikely to change. As long as we celebrate the malandro, we celebrate corruption.

As long as we celebrate the malandro, we celebrate corruption.

Toolio, you are another sane Brasilian and thanks for sharing my thoughts! Should participate more often in this forum!

The first paragraph of the article says it all.....of what I wrote soooooo many times !!!!!!!!

Brazilians are addicted to corruptions, tricks, lies, cheating and hiding.....one way or the other.

And this is not only the case at the highest official levels, but also in the middle levels such as police dept, army, bureaucrats, state agencies etc etc

And including at the society level !
Joao....what is the surname given to you...at times ?
You wrote it in a recent comment !

Joao....what is the surname given to you...at times ?
You wrote it in a recent comment !

You don't have to try to hit me below the belt. Wearing Titanium shield

Was your belt not stolen ?


Here is an interesting recent article :
The plague of crime and corruption is the biggest bearish argument against the sustainable growth of Brazil's economy and bigger market gains. It is a corrosive and threatening crisis because as we all learned in high school, the foundation of any prosperous and civil society or market takes root in the rule of law.
Investors must have an absolute and unconditional belief that the system is untainted (higher confidence equals higher PE multiples). Lacking an honest system of checks and balances, investment and commerce cannot exist.
The majority of the challenges stem from the notoriously large gap between rich and poor in Brazil. For many generations, there was no such thing as a middle class. Additionally, most people on the lower end of the economic scale had no opportunity to rise out of it. In many cases, crime was the only opportunity offered.
The most alarming aspect of the corruption is that it does not consist of petty crime and lone actors. It is a systemic and institutional issue that will dismantle and crush all its recent progress.
I had a personal encounter with the police in Rio de Janeiro that spotlights the fraud and ugliness. Just after landing with a friend in Rio, we went for dinner. On our return to the hotel around 10 p.m., we ran into what locals call a "police blitz." Basically, it was a police checkpoint.

But this was no checkpoint we have ever been to. It was full of heavily armed military police officers wielding attack machine guns and unholstered side arms being waved around.
Even stranger, all of this was taking place in a very nice section of Rio, comparable to the Upper West Side of Manhattan or the Gas Lamp district of San Diego.
These twisted defenders of law and order immediately told our taxi driver to pull over and pointed for us to get out vehicle. We were yelled at, harassed and thoroughly searched, but nothing was found. The only way to describe what ensued was the worst theatrical performance of "good cop, bad cop" I have ever seen.
"Want to go to jail?" the bad cop screamed. You name it. They did it.
Luckily, I can speak conversational Portuguese, so I could communicate and understand what they wanted -- it was a shakedown, and they wanted money. I actually think I came out on top in our "negotiations" in which we settled on giving them R$45, or USD$28.
This was a small shakedown, but the history of Latin America is littered with stories of bigger shakedowns and the ruins of banana republics toppled by corruption. And Brazil is clearly no exception.


Enjoy

http://www.survival-international.org/news/3389


The gunmen are believed to be working for Paulo César Quartiero, who is also the mayor of a nearby town. Ten Makuxi were wounded in the attack, six of them children.

Mr Quartiero was arrested but has since been released. Police found a large cache of arms on his farm.

Does this not happen only in B..anana R...epublics ?????
Like BR..azil ?

do this if you have a car and a few bucks get a small
computer camra mount it no your dash board point it out the drivers side window
when a cop comes up make sure he see it by pointing it at him

when they ask you what it is for tell them it is a live web feed with sound and color
of your daily travels around brasil

good for a laugh to see there reaction

In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953,
about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up
and exterminated.
> ------------------------------
> In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million
Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
> ---------------------------
> Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of
13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded
up and exterminated
> ------------------------------
> China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million
political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.
> ----------------------------
> Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000
Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.
> --------------------- ---------
> Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000
Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
> ------------------------------
> Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million
'educated' people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.
> -----------------------------
> Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because
of gun control: 56 million.
> ------------------------------
> It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by new
law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by their own
government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million
dollars. The first year results are now in: Australia-wide,homicides are up
3.2 percent
>
> Australia-wide,assaults are up 8.6 percent
>
> Australia-wide,armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!
>
> In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300
percent. Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the
criminals did not, and criminals still possess their guns! It will never
happen here? I bet the Aussies said that too! While figures over the
previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms,
this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since criminals
now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed.
>
> There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the
elderly. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety
has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in
successfully ridding Australian society of guns. The Australian experience
and the other historical facts above prove it.
>
> You won't see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians
disseminating this information.
>
> Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes,
gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens.

> During W.W.II the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew
most Americans were ARMED!

This is another sham NGO involved in making up data to support someone else's agenda. The video, if real, because it could easily have been staged or taken out of context, is a simple question of violence, just like many other examples we have around Brazil, and should be dealt with accordingly.

The "Indian" part of the video is for the sole purpose of using it for the purpose of those involved in the dismantling of the Brazilian territory.

But let's analyze the same video. Look at the "Indians". Do they look like real persons from the jungle or people pretty much civilized? They look like, talk and walk like any other Brazilian and as such they should be treated.

Dear idiot,
In Brazil millions of indians no longer live as they lived 50 or 100 years ago.
They are semi-civilized and for sure not provided free education !
And no doubt this story was also published in several Brazilian Medias, notably in the state of Roraima !


Stupid question to this idiot.....A Brazilian : do you believe that YOU are living like 20 or 40 years ago ????????????????????????
If yesssss....what do you do in front of a PC ?????????????

It is with people like you that Brazilians murderers get....TOTAL IMPUNITY !
Is your father a judge ? Is your family large land owners ????
Then I understand what you are trying to hide !

Hahaha

We found the truth about Ch.c! After so long, we know why he is so rabid against Brazil. He is either a member or a supporter of deceitful NGOs!

There's no such thing as "semi-civilized". The same way there's no "semi-pregnant" or "semi-dead". They are pretty much living like everyone else and even in the middle of the jungle they can have access to TV and other goods from the civilization. They don't need special treatment, they are citizens.

I am not hiding anything, just pointing out that the "Indian" part of that video is just to make it sensationalistic for European pawns in the hand of those with money financing NGOs such as this "Survival" one.

This is not a surprise, if history shows one thing is that Europeans are good at being told what to do, by Monarchs, Führers, etc. Your owner must be proud of it, ch.c. Keep that up!

other black one looks too have flip flops

use your digital photo inhanser to take a look

We found the truth about Ch.c! After so long, we know why he is so rabid against Brazil. He is either a member or a supporter of deceitful NGOs!

This gentleman is a member of SP forum. Haven´t you discovered it yet? He is not only "deceitful", but also "despicable".

This is another sham NGO involved in making up data to support someone else's agenda. The video, if real, because it could easily have been staged or taken out of context, is a simple question of violence, just like many other examples we have around Brazil, and should be dealt with accordingly.

Well looksy here; our resident fascist has shown up again to pimp his brand of nationalist ignorance to the masses. What’s your problem Gobelzinho, you think those rice farmers in Roraima are poor hard-working model citizens being sold a bad bag of goodies, and the Indians have forged tapes? That’s a hoot. It also shows you have zero experience with anything in the north of your own country.

A very large part of Amazon is run by coronels, grilieros and pistoleiros. Not NGOs, contrary to what those making 20,000Rs a month in Brasilia think. Look how easy it is to get away with ordering the assignation of a Nun? So I hav NO DOUBT AT ALL, that these farmers would kill the indians in a heart beat, and did in fact stage an attack.

As long as your government ignores the real threats and settles for shifting blame for their own bumbling incompetence to groups that actually provide needed services, the north of Brazil will continue to be one big blood-soaked “foocking” mess.

And here’s some news for you; the land in dispute in Roraima is Indian land – end of story. It’s been demarcated and is now constitutionally protected. That puts the rice farmers and their occupation of these lands on par with the MST and their tactics. So where are your cries for “enforce the law”? If it were the MST on a farm in Sao Paulo we’d be counting bodies right now, and you’d being humming “Ó pátria amada,
idolatrada, salve! salve!”.

Do they look like real persons from the jungle or people pretty much civilized?

What happen to your “either you are or you aren’t rant”? "Semi-civilized", as written by CH.c is a no-no, but “pretty much” civilized is OK? And you mock Ch.C? LMAO.

I am not hiding anything, just pointing out that the "Indian" part of that video is just to make it sensationalistic for European pawns in the hand of those with money financing NGOs such as this "Survival" one.

But you’re probably right about Survival International. They were created by the Bilderbergs in cooperation with the Club of Rome and the illuminati, with funding from the Netherland´s Monarchy, Opus Dei and Prince Philip (because so many are involved your illustrious and glorious military leaders simply refer to them as “estrangeiros”), to steal the Amazon’s incalculable riches and sabotage Brazil’s rightful, God given, destiny to be the world’s premier developed Nation! How did I do? We all know it’s a global conspiracy to slow Brazil’s socioeconomic growth and that’s why SI works so closely with FUNAI. I guess the Government and FUNAI are in on it too. LMAO

When I think my belly can’t take any more laughter at what I see in this backwards Nation, I can count on Abe to break new comedic ground and send me to the floor in hysterics. I owe you one, I’m glad you’re back. I needed a good chuckle today.

Thanks for posting the link:http://www.survival-international.org/news/3389

The quality of the video is good and the story contained therein is much more dramatic and heart breaking than the "Novelas" our TV networks feed us with daily.

As I keep track of the national news from several sources (not TV), I can tell ya something. There was no attack on Indian village ! The "Indians" were "attacked", because they conducted a MST style operation by invading the rice farm that belongs to Quarteiro who is also the Mayor of Pocaima. He has been cultivating rice since 1983 or so, much before that part of Roraima was designated as an "Indian" reserve. THe "Indians" who invaded his property want him to leave the farm and give it back to them.Incidentally, he is married to a "native" Indian lady for almost 20 years and she is the co-owner of the property. She asked a relevant question when her husband was kept in jail in Brasilia:If she is not a Brazilian, what exactly is her nationality?

While I am not condoning the action of the employees of Quarteiro, I do question the accuracy of the "News report" by Survival International.

To: "A Brazilian"

The video, if real, because it could easily have been staged or taken out of context, is a simple question of violence, just like many other examples we have around Brazil, and should be dealt with accordingly.

The video is real and a photo op well rehearsed before hand!

To Ricardo: Posting the link to Reinaldo Azevedo´s blog of today in "Veja" FYI. Worth reading his comments titled "Jobim critica atuação de ambientalistas estrangeiros na Amazônia":

http://veja.abril.com.br/blogs/reinaldo/

Ch.c: What would you do if your farm in BA is invaded by MST?

Doubtful you can watch TV in the midlle of the Amazon....WIHTOUT ELECTRICITY !!!!!!

Another proof you are totally idiot...A Brazilian !

I remind you that out of 50 countries, Brazil was ranked 46th....for Education !

So you know what quality of education you got...and you prove it......daily !!!!!!

Doubtful you can watch TV in the midlle of the Amazon....WIHTOUT ELECTRICITY !!!!!!

I concede that you are a wizard in Economics, Finance, World trade, banking, etc;

BUT, you are a Jeca in technical matters!

I know your post was addressed to others, but I have to comment.

Minister of Defense in an article where he criticizes Foreign NGOs says:

"São pessoas que estão com uma agenda fora do Brasil, que destruíram suas florestas e querem cuidar das dos outros. A Amazônia tem que ser algo nosso. Se for considerada como reserva ambiental absoluta, temos que matar as 21 milhões de pessoas que vivem lá."

Great link Joao, I read the quote published elsewhere today and it’s already one of my favorites. It’s right up with George Bush’s, “where people and fish can live together”. Well, maybe not that high on the list. Let me give a literal translation for the non pork-n-cheese readers (I’ll forgo the idiomatic translation to avoid criticism over creative license):

There are people with an agenda from outside of Brazil who destroyed their forests and want to take care of those from others. The Amazon has to be something that is our. If we want to consider it an absolute environmental reserve we have to kill 21 million people that live there!

There are a number of problems with this quote. First, “these people with an agenda” are never, EVER, identified. In the 10 years that I’ve been following this absurd fear over NGOs, I’ve never seen a foreign NGO group outted or charged or thrown out of the country. There have been CPIs, senate investigations, books written, but there’s never been a smoking gun. Never an outted group, never a GOTCHA! These people, or “those”, as Abe calls them, simply don’t exist. Currently, ABIN is investigating 8 NGOs, and surprise-surprise, all but one are Brazilian (Government funded), and one is simply a smear campaign against gringos – CoolEarth. This one will blow up in the governments face.

Secondly, to the line about: “those who have already cut down their forests”. It’s a Brazilian truism, but per square kilometer of destroyed forest only ONE nation is worse than Brazil, and that is the US. But the ideation here is that every nation on earth once had millions of square kilometers of Amazon rainforest and Mata Atlantic rainforest. I certainly remember the Belgium Amazon, or was it the Swiss Amazon? Maybe Ch.c can chime in here.

And lastly, can anyone, anywhere, find a link to any international NGO that is calling for placing a bubble over the Amazon and stopping ALL economic development? Of course not.

Purposely, Jobim´s rant lacks specifics and is simply populist rhetoric designed to infuriate even the least likely candidate for patriot. “Kill 21 million people”? “There are people with an agenda”? Simply retarded, Karl Rovesque “beware of terrorists” spin-doctoring. Again, Brazil is harnessing the power of nightmares to create villains where none exist. This, in my opinion, is to deflect attention from their own short comings in dealing with the region and its problems.

And Joao, I too have followed the Raposa Serra do Sol story closely and your summary lacks some very important facts and analysis. For starters, the land has been expropriated and demarcated by the Union (that’s Brazil). Like it or not, and obviously those that had their lands expropriated don’t, these lands now constitutionally belong to the Macuxi. It’s that simple. Might not be fair, but that’s what happens when lands are taken back by the Union for purposes deemed in the Nation’s Interest. Building an airport, a dam, creating a new reserve or a road, expropriation is nothing new and there will always be those who will feel cheated. But usually, the government tries (cough cough, I’m speaking generally about governments that work) to buffer the pain of relocation with substantial financial packages.

From all accounts, fairly decent financial compensation packages to leave the area in Roraima have been made but refused by the farmers. It should also be mentioned that these farmers have not only clashed with Indians, but with local and federal authorities, too. They’ve closed bridges and have threatened all, remember the photo of that one bloke dressed like a suicide bomber? I know nationalists like to play this up as farmers versus Indians, but if the truth be told, it’s farmers versus the State. The Indians IMHO are caught in the middle. And this is typical of innumerous conflicts throughout the Amazon.

So, your MST invasion analogy doesn’t really wash, and rethinking my earlier post, my MST analogy is left wanting as well.

He is not only "deceitful", but also "despicable".´

Well, I was referring to the NGO. Indeed, they are deceitful and despicable.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worl...tworkfront

Well looksy here; our resident fascist has shown up again to pimp his brand of nationalist ignorance to the masses. What’s your problem Gobelzinho, you think those rice farmers in Roraima are poor hard-working model citizens being sold a bad bag of goodies, and the Indians have forged tapes? That’s a hoot. It also shows you have zero experience with anything in the north of your own country.

Stop before you embarrass yourself once again. Check the link above and see by yourself. It's a lie, one of the many.

You quote me responding to your take on the video from Raposa Serra do Sol, and then give a link to the isolated indian group in Acre? Tá drogada criança? And again, you´re missing the crucial part of the latter....

The disclosures have been made by the man behind the pictures, José Carlos Meirelles, 61, one of the handful of sertanistas – experts on indigenous tribes – working for the Brazilian Indian Protection Agency, Funai, which is dedicated to searching out remote tribes and protecting them.

But we know details aren´t your bag Abe. Thanks again, for the chuckle.

I know nationalists like to play this up as farmers versus Indians, but if the truth be told, it’s farmers versus the State.

Not really. Once again the lying NGO scum playing its trick to mislead the international opinion. The process of removal of the farmers was halted lawfully because of the concern of several people, not only the army, about the national security.

There's no reason a land for so few Indians need to be so big and continuous, a place where Brazilians can't get in (NGO scum and foreign missionaires, curiously, can) that by "coincidence" is rich in minerals.

No, the public opinion slammed the government for it. The government had no option but to halt it.

The UN indigenous people rights treaty (which wasn't signed by countries like the US and Canada) is the real problem. With it the Indians have virtually right to independence. It says they can have separate governments, schools, businesses, etc. The demarcation is just the beginning. It will keep the Brazilian government and people away, while they build up "their" country (with foreign money?) Then official request for independence is just a matter of time.

Sorry, Gringo. It didn't work. The public opinion and army rightfully jumped on the government and they backed up. The army won't let this happen, and Lula is not crazy to have them as enemies.

Not really. Once again the lying NGO scum playing its trick to misleadthe international opinion.

Which lying NGO scum would that be?

The process of removal of the farmers was halted lawfully because of the concern of several people, not only the army, about the national security.

It was halted just like the “fiscalizacoes” in Thailandia and uncountable other small towns in Para and Mato Grosso are halted. For the simple reason that everyone is well aware of how coronels and their thugs react to situations they don’t like: with violence and with impunity. Again, the problem lies with a weak government and the thugs they pamper, not the Indians.

There's no reason a land for so few Indians need to be so big and continuous,

Honestly, that’s not a fight I want to take up. I have know idea how much land they need or should have; all I know is that the government gave it to them. So legally speaking, your point is moot.

a place where Brazilians can't get in (NGO scum and foreign missionaires, curiously, can) that by "coincidence" is rich in minerals.

More unsubstantiated right wing rhetorical bulls**t from simpletons; move on, your record is skipping.

No, the public opinion slammed the government for it. The government had no option but to halt it.

You had simpletons with dynamite strapped to them. Of course the government didn’t want to confront these homicidal maniacs. The government often backs down from the Pistoleiros, Grileiros and coronels in the North, that’s why they like to focus attention on foreigners and foreign NGOs and redirect the spot light from their own incompetence to something more nation building for the less educated. 80% of the destruction in the Amazon is illegal, and this is why it continues as such. You have cowards running the show.

Sorry, Gringo. It didn't work. The public opinion and army rightfully jumped on the government and they backed up. The army won't let this happen, and Lula is not crazy to have them as enemies.

Certainly, if the government is afraid of a stupid hick Mayor and six henchmen in the north or course the Army’s Generals terrify them. Talk about understatements. I’m terrified of the army here, too. I see the writing on the wall. Question is, do you?

It was halted just like the “fiscalizacoes” in Thailandia and uncountable other small towns in Para and Mato Grosso are halted. For the simple reason that everyone is well aware of how coronels and their thugs react to situations they don’t like: with violence and with impunity.

http://franciscospid.blogspot....aposa.html

What were you saying again? Oh, another lie.

O processo contra a demarcação das reserva indígena Raposa Serra do Sol, que corre no STF, ganhará novas páginas na próxima quarta-feira (7). O governador de Roraima, Anchieta Júnior (PSDB), vai protocolar no tribunal uma ação civil contra o decreto do governo que delimitou as terras dos índios.

A nova ação será assinada pelo procurador-geral do governo de Roraima, Luciano Queiroz (na foto). O Supremo concedera prazo até 9 de abril para que o Estado representasse contra a reserva. A ação chegará ao tribunal dois dias antes.

Those "thugs" you mention must have attended law school.

Certainly, if the government is afraid of a stupid hick Mayor and six henchmen in the north or course the Army’s Generals terrify them

The army not only can but must intervene if our sovereignty is threatened. It is not just one general against Lula, but most of the Brazilian population, the army and the law.

Why do you keep linking to blogspots while screaming: "here, here, here"...? What point am I making that this blogspot will undeniably refute? What you are doing is the 80s equivalent to: “I saw it on TV, so it must be true”. Grow up Abe. Or do you want me to make a blogspot saying Abe is a poopy-pants? It´s really not that difficult to get a stupid opinion on-line these days.

The army not only can but must intervene if our sovereignty is threatened. It is not just one general against Lula, but most of the Brazilian population, the army and the law.

For starters, give me proof of this “fawkin” threat to sovereignty? It doesn’t exist. We´ve heard this for 4 decades, and NOTHING. But given your school-girl crush on the military, it’s easy to see that you pine for the good ole glory days when the army could kick in doors of leftists and arrest folks without warrants. Newsflash, that nation to the North you hate so much has perfected this. And no worries, I am WELL AWARE of the national mob-like mentality here and how it can manifest itself suddendly, and how your politicians fall over one another pandering to them. Thank you very much for the heads up (I´m rolling my eyes btw), but I do conduct myself accordingly, just like Lula and his light-weights. I’ve seen mob hits in this nation. It’s not pretty.

Again Abe, I love laughing at you, but in all honestly, I think you provide a better service for those glossy-eyed gringos reading here, thinking about vacationing or moving (OR INVESTING) to Brazil for a spell. I bet your posts have done more to dissuade them, than mine. You’ve probably even unwittingly saved lives.

I am pleased that you both are debating in a "civilized" fashion on this issue. Such debates are very healthy.as for the comment of Gringo:

I’m terrified of the army here, too.

Why should you be? I am more terrified of the Squid and his henchmen who are illogical and out of whack. Of course, Gringo will call me a "golpista", which I am not. I am giving you a home work, Gringo. Please do go through the following link in the youtube where the interview of a general was conducted by TV BAND (canal livre) (as usual late in the night). The whole debate started on April 27th and worth watching the interview:

http://www.youtube.com/results...ry=augusto

I had already given the info on this interview to Gringo and Ricardo and nobody paid attention to me. Nor Ch.c, who is trying hard to learn Portuguese, which in my opinion is a valiant but hopeless effort!

Why do you keep linking to blogspots while screaming: "here, here, here"...? What point am I making that this blogspot will undeniably refute?

You are playing dumb, but I will clarify for whoever read this. The "blog" entry is about a lawsuit against the demarcation issued by government of the state of Roraima, the state where this nonsense is going on. Gringo, as usual, is not being honest. There are no "thugs" involved, unless that's a new nickname for lawyers.

Whoever is interested in learning about it please look for information about the lawsuits and newspaper articles, etc. The population is against this in its majority, and so is the army.

For starters, give me proof of this “fawkin” threat to sovereignty? It doesn’t exist. We´ve heard this for 4 decades, and NOTHING.

http://www.iwgia.org/sw1592.asp

Among other things:

Indigenous peoples also have the right to their own schools and to provide education in their own languages.

Indigenous peoples have the right to their own economic and social systems and to pursue their own traditional and other activities.

Indigenous peoples have the right to keep and develop their distinct characteristics and systems of law.
They also have the right, if they want, to take part in the life of the rest of the country.

In other words, this is the creation of a country inside of another country. In the future they would have their own government, laws, schools, land of the size of a state, and the guaranteed recognition of the UN and sham NGOs like the survival international.

BTW, some countries, including the US and Canada, didn't sign it. Why do you think they didn't? Haha. This is ridiculous!

They actually plan to dismantle the Brazilian territory. For real. The declaration of indigenous rights is the final proof, if you needed any others.

I bet your posts have done more to dissuade them, than mine.

If the truth is something that dissuades them, then I think it is a good thing.

In other words, this is the creation of a country inside of another country. In the future they would have their own government, laws, schools, land of the size of a state, and the guaranteed recognition of the UN and sham NGOs like the survival international.

Nothing in the list above you have posted threatens the sovereignty of this strange land called Brazil. Nothing. Nada. Ziltch. If anything, those exact highlights are in your Brazilian constitution which affords Indians the right to be different. Nothing more, nothing less. Your paranoid interpretations of basic text say more about you, than they do the intentions of others.

BTW, some countries, including the US and Canada, didn't sign it. Why do you think they didn't? Haha. This is ridiculous!

Canada didn’t sign, and neither did the US? Surprise, surprise. Harper won’t sign anything the Republicans won’t sign. Whoopee! You’ve uncovered yet another plot. Good job! I take it you missed Canada’s apologies to its indigenous populations last week? For forcibly removing natives from their villages to place in school, and the horrors they suffered in those schools? You missed that? I don’t know why, that’s the same policy you want to adopt here in Brazil. So, is Canada right or wrong?

Your logical leaps have always been legendary round these parts Abe, but as for factual information, you’ve always been proven to be a huckster and your moral compass is in dire need of calibration.

They actually plan to dismantle the Brazilian territory. For real. The declaration of indigenous rights is the final proof, if you needed any others.

You should have been a writer for the x-files.

You are playing dumb, but I will clarify for whoever read this. The "blog" entry is about a lawsuit against the demarcation issued by government of the state of Roraima, the state where this nonsense is going on. Gringo, as usual, is not being honest. There are no "thugs" involved, unless that's a new nickname for lawyers.

What does a law suit have to do with the mentality of the coronels and thugs in the region? Everyone is a lawyer in Roraima? Stop being daft. Have you even been north of Rio?

Where is Mein Kamaraden? On a cultural mission to Morocco?

Canada didn’t sign, and neither did the US? Surprise, surprise. Harper won’t sign anything the Republicans won’t sign.

Harper would sign anything Jon orders him to sign.

Gringo,

I need your help with Harper up here!

There's no reason a land for so few Indians need to be so big and continuous, a place where Brazilians can't get in (NGO scum and foreign missionaires, curiously, can) that by "coincidence" is rich in minerals.

A Brazilian is a true whack job! Man oh man, he has some serious issues. Maybe I should invite you to come one day to my job and see what we do there. There is not one person interested in "taking the Amazon from Brazilians". The Amazon has been "sold" by your politicians, the "internationalization of the Amazon" has been going on for years! Who is selling GM seeds to farmers in Brazil? And the most vital question: who allowed it?

Abe, the Amazon (I have met the mayor of manaus and the governor of Amazonas State), is dancing cheeck-to-cheeck with NGOs. About 3 months ago I had the pleasure to meet the governor and his wife. All were here to receive donations from Marriott Hotels, Conservation International and other organizations. Do you want to know the sum?? Do a search, the event happened at the Smithsonian!

I wonder what your corrupt politicians will do with the money...

“The sovereignty of this strange land called Brazil”

Brasil is not a strange land to me, it is my home, my country, my family, my blood.

“paranoid interpretations … intentions of others“

You keep saying we are paranoid! Oh really? That’s the same thing occurred with PM. Chamberlain and Chancellor Hitler right before WWII.

In Brasil, it is widely believed the threat to our sovereignty regarding the Amazon. The Amazon area including the states of Rondonia, Acre, Amazonas, Roraima, Amapa e Para, is under the false premise of the “environment” and continuous menace of indians “independent” nations, all originated by the so called developed nations (US-Europe-Japan), the biggest violators of the environment and human rights. This double standard hypocrite stance really has to do more with the need for raw materials and natural resources.

“Which lying NGO scum would that be”

WWF, the UK and Dutch Royal Families with their financing of so called environmental utopia NGOs network, the Hudson Institute (US), Conservation International, Environmental Defense Fund, the Ford Foundation, the Rockfeller Foundation, USAID, DFID (UK), CIDA (Canada), UICN (Holland), and so on, too many to mention.

Their dubious intentions are real, some disguised for covert CIA operations under political reasons, others doing “bio” piracy, indoctrinating indigenous people while buying land on national border areas, for economic reasons, in addition to their proposed “new world order,” that is, their order and our riches!

I am to remain skeptical for the foreseeable future. The Amazon is Brazil.

Costinha

Costinha, you need to keep to the bathroom humour; trying to make a point isn’t really you. And Shelly, as usual, has it right.

While your military and government try and out do one another inventing conspiracies linking NGOs to the theft of the Amazon, they’re wheeling and dealing behind the scenes with Cargill, Monsanto, ABM, BUDGE et. al and chomping at the bit to make it easier for these companies to export your precious forest abroad. To makes matters worse, they turn a blind eye to grileiros, pistoleiros and coronels that run rampant, and whom can be directly linked to the assassination of myriad Brazilians in the region over land conflicts (look how easy it is to get away with ordering the assassination of a nun, imagine how easy it is to get rid of a pesky riberinho?). Yet it’s the idea of a mythical invasion that irks you, not the current bloody battle currently raging on. I´ve never understood that.

You’ve bought into the same paranoia as your compatriot Abe. And please, spare me your half-assed historical rhetoric; you know less about WW2 than you do your own nation. I’ll ask you what I asked Abe, although he hasn’t answered, which is an answer in itself. Have you ever been to the Amazon?

But I understand how this fear gets out of control. You easily believe the conspiracy because it plays up on your xenophobia. It’s not that you really believe the gringos are out to steal the Amazon so much as you WANT to believe they are. Lula knows this, the military knows this, and they use your own ignorance and hatred to blind you to the realities and more importantly, their failures. It’s text book. Nationalism is the last refuge of the scoundrel, and governments can count on people like you and Abe to light the torches and join the mob when ever the Nation screams: bogyman. .

Here’s a good link or two talking about this fear and what’s behind it.

http://www.agenciabrasil.gov.br/noticias/2008/07/10/materia.2008-07-10.7566332010/view

http://www.diariodecuiaba.com.br/detalhe.php?cod=318823

I noted that there were not too many comments about the Pope helping Survival International. I guess He’s in on the gringo plot too.

And Costinha, there is nothing wrong with being skeptical. But you’re not skeptical you’re being cynical, and you’re buying into sophism masquerading as inquiry in the Nation´s interest.

“A Brazilian” was right all along… that ½ gringo (americanwannabee) really likes to twist facts to fit his warped reality, NUTS!

I think you suffer from cerebrum paralysis, obviously paralyzed from the neck up or you are an experiment in Artificial Stupidity.

The condescending manner in which you treat people who disagree with you is in essence, the “Gringo Arrogance” hated around the world, me included. As to WWII history, I can tell you that I know in depth about the subject. So no… I will not spare you of anything! Actually, I'd slap you senseless, but I can't spare three seconds.

Now then, getting back to the restroom graffiti… Remember, Johnny Cash is not a pay toilet. Gringonorreah, you're so dumb you should be watered twice a week.

But I know you are proud because you know how to use the computer, I can tell because there's White-Out all over your screen. Gringo my friend, with all due respect, but you are dumber than a June bug on a string.

Nice try wancker,

Costinha


PS. I love You Man...

Lula knows this, the military knows this, and they use your own ignorance and hatred to blind you to the realities and more importantly, their failures. It’s text book. Nationalism is the last refuge of the scoundrel, and governments can count on people like you and Abe to light the torches and join the mob when ever the Nation screams: bogyman. .

If the Brazilian government is so worried about the "internationalization" of the Amazon, why don't they put the useless army there? Put 100,000 man into the forest and let's see if the deforestation will continue. The problem is, Lula bin Mula is an incompetent leader, a liar to the nation. His rhetoric are a verbatim of the 60's, 70' and 80's 90'...full of promises and empty actions.

Only those who do not love Brazil, disagree. They want to keep the status quo, it makes them feel better. As much as I love my country, I will continue to voice my opinion, in favour and against it. Brazil is not a democracy, as said before, I am obligated to vote.

Abe, Costinha, etc...can you please tell the readers what happens if you, as a male in Brazil, do not vote?

I read the article and have to say. I have met Mark London at the meeting with the Marriott Hotel, CI, and others. He is an amazing person to meet. He wants the best for the Amazon, he has spent more time there, than any of us on this board.

Ouch... that hurts!

Gringo’s divorce judge asked him, "Have you ever been up before me?" And Gringo said, "I don't know, what time do you get up?"

Costinha

The condescending manner in which you treat people who disagree with you is in essence, the “Gringo Arrogance” hated around the world, me included.

Poor baby, did I hurt your feelings?

That is understandable that cash can make people free. But how to act when someone doesn't have money? The one way is to try to get the home loans or consolidation loan.