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Brazil's Isolated Amazon Indians Are a Link to the Past and a Life Lesson PDF Print E-mail
Written by Emily Dunn   
Tuesday, 01 July 2008 22:10

Brazil's uncontacted Amazon Indians What is it about the recent photographs of the "uncontacted" indigenous tribe of the Peruvian-Brazilian Amazon region that has caused such a stir? The provocative photos of painted natives in loincloths, including several holding bows ready to loose their arrows at the aircraft filming them from overhead, are eliciting worldwide concern over how the government will treat these people.

The image of brandished arrows seems pretty clear: these natives want to be left alone. The government recently released the photographs taken by FUNAI, Brazil's National Foundation for Indians, in order to provide substance to the debate over isolated and uncontacted groups who exist in the Amazon.

Survival International, an organization that monitors the status of indigenous tribes worldwide, estimates that there are at least 100 isolated tribes remaining in the world, with half of them in Peru and Brazil. These native peoples and their ways of life are in constant peril due to new roads, dams, logging, mineral mining and especially disease brought from outside, and there are growing concerns that these threats endanger the many indigenous tribes' ways of life.

Contact with outsiders brings only violence, exploitation and death. The recent photos have intensified a long-standing disagreement about whether Peru and Brazil are doing enough to protect isolated indigenous tribes and the prospective ethnological fate of the entire Amazon region.

Despite recent re-affirmations of their commitment to protection policies by both the Peruvian and Brazilian governments, experts insist that not enough is being done. More proactive policies must be put into place in order to preserve the Amazonian cultures.

One of the longest existing threats to the livelihood of the Amazonian indigenous peoples is legal and illegal logging. Carlos Minc, Brazil's new environment minister, announced on June 2 that the pace of deforestation is rapidly increasing.

Satellite imagery from the Brazil's space agency INPE shows that from August 2006 to July 2007, 4,964 square kilometers (1,917 square miles) of the Amazon were cleared, while 5,850 square kilometers (2,259 square miles) were cut down between August 2007 and April 2008. This represents a considerable increase in logging, and demonstrates that current policies are clearly not working.

On the Peruvian side of the border, the government has been exceptionally unsuccessful in halting the logging that forces native peoples to migrate across the border to Brazil or into the territory of other tribes, which often leads to violent conflict and death. Both governments have been criticized for their failure to adequately protect these tribes.

Indigenous tribes living in the Amazon basin are also faced with the threat of a US$ 6 billion hydroelectric dam on Brazil's Xingu River. Known as the Belo Monte project, the dam would be built in the state of Mato Grosso to provide Brazil with the energy needed for its continued economic development.

However, the 10,000 square mile Xingu Indigenous Reserve, the first federally-recognized indigenous territory in Brazil, is located along the river and will almost certainly be devastated by the dam. "Hydroelectric dams have severe social impacts," explains Philip Fearnside, one of the world's leading rainforest scientists, "including flooding the lands of indigenous peoples."

The Xingu reserve is home to 14 indigenous nations, while another 10,000 native peoples live just beyond its boundaries. Construction of the Belo Monte dam proceeds despite its potential for severe repercussions on local indigenous populations.

The Trans-Oceanic Highway, which will connect the Amazon to the Pacific Ocean, is also a cause for concern. This 711-mile road will link Assis, a Brazilian river port, with Peru's Pacific ports of Matarani, San Juan and Ilo. The highway is designed to transport agricultural products, mainly cattle and soybeans, to international markets.

Soy production in Brazil has recently increased due to global demand for food and increased prices. As a result of the high demand for soy products, a great deal of rainforest is being stripped in order to create additional farmland, while additional land is then cleared for cattle grazing. The emphasis on these two products has enormously increased deforestation, accounting for about 70% to 80% of the total area cleared.

All of these dangers are interrelated and enhance the principal threat facing indigenous tribes: the spread of disease. Deforestation - whether to construct roads and dams or to increase access to farmland - not only cuts into the land occupied by indigenous people, but also brings modern civilization into closer physical contact with isolated tribes.

Natives are being exposed to diseases to which they have no immunities. Further encroachment could trigger a pandemic reminiscent of the those that swept through the Americas during the time of European exploration, when disease was the single most important factor in wiping out the majority of the American indigenous populations.

"After contact was made with the Suruí people, for instance, half of their 400 members died from 'Western' illnesses within a few years," explains John Hemming, an author of Brazilian ethnology. Over the past two hundred years, an estimated three to four million indigenous people have been killed by foreign disease, such as the flu, chicken pox or the common cold.

In fact, the groups that isolate themselves and hide from modernity, such as the ones recently photographed, are likely survivors of formerly large tribes whose members were decimated by exposure to a range of fatal diseases.

Policy on Isolated Peoples

In spite of the high visibility of the issue, both Peru and Brazil's policies regarding isolated indigenous people are vague, inconsistent and almost always irresponsible. Policies aimed at halting deforestation and protecting isolated indigenous territory are repeatedly altered to the detriment of the indigenous peoples.

Many governing officials do not believe that uncontacted tribes still exist in the Amazon, and therefore question the importance of protecting the land. Even those who recognize their existence debate the value of avoiding contact. Some believe that since modernity will inevitably intrude, contact should be made now under controlled conditions. It would be worse, they claim, to wait until the natives confront illegal loggers and petroleum company officials.

Following the release of the photographs of the uncontacted tribe on the Peruvian-Brazilian border, both countries have re-affirmed their no-contact policies. Brazil's current strategy is to delineate indigenous land and make it off-limits to outsiders. Contact is only to be made if the natives are in danger or if they initiate contact of their own volition. A team of Peruvian experts is currently investigating whether logging is intruding on the tribe's territory and forcing them across the Brazilian border.

If this is the case, Peru has promised to take measures to stop this activity. However, just as it is difficult to curb illegal logging, it will be a challenge for both governments to ensure that isolated tribes have no unsolicited exposure to the outside world. Moreover, mounting economic pressures threaten to affect policy toward Amazonian territory in the future. Thus, the future of these no contact policies remains uncertain.

Why Protect?

There are a number of reasons why we must work to preserve the indigenous way of life of the people on Earth who live beyond the realm of modernity. First, Amazônia's isolated indigenous tribes represent the astounding diversity of humankind, and observation would provide us with an incredible learning opportunity.

The indigenous Amazonians' culture has not yet been altered by contact with outside ideas, a unique situation in today's increasingly globalized world. They are inherently valuable in that they provide a link to our past and show us an alternate way of life from which we can learn. Humanity has a great deal to gain from preserving diverse ways of life, especially when are so different from our own. Knowledge of distinctive cultures has intrinsic value.

Additionally, these indigenous people, as Survival International states, "deserve to be able to defend their lives, protect their lands and determine their own futures." As human beings, they have autonomous rights just like everyone else. In fact, not protecting the tribes from contact might be considered a form of genocide, or the deliberate and systematic destruction of this distinct group of people.

Mário Lúcio Avelar, a Brazilian public prosecutor, believes that loggers who contribute to the eradication of traditional ways of life are guilty of genocide. "We are not necessarily talking about assassination, but they are making the survival of the tribe's way of living impossible," Avelar explains.

"The loggers invade, prevent them from growing crops, hunting or practicing their culture. Without those things, the tribe cannot survive." These tribes must be safeguarded in order to demonstrate our commitment to defending universal human dignity.

Furthermore, the isolated tribes offer a "reflection of the economic and political drama surrounding the international effort to preserve the rainforests as part of the struggle to combat climate change," writes Dan Rabinowitz, professor of anthropology at Tel Aviv University and deputy vice chair of Greenpeace U.K.

Because their lives depend precisely on the existence of the Amazon rainforest, the dilemma surrounding the need to protect the isolated tribes draws valuable attention to the climate change issue. The Amazon rainforest is vital to global ecology. It acts as a climate regulator, affecting rainfall patterns worldwide. It is in the interest of surrounding regions to protect the rainforest, as it provides the rainfall that supports agriculture.

According to Meg Symington, Amazon director for the World Wildlife Fund in the U.S., destruction of trees in Brazil is responsible for half of the world's annual greenhouse-gas emissions. In this way, destruction of the territory of the isolated natives also means elimination of the indispensable rainforest. This essential resource for all the world's people hangs in the balance.

What to Do

Brazilian President, Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, has attempted to staunchly maintain his image as Brazil's first "green" president. However, the recent increase in the rate of deforestation of the Brazilian rainforest is marring this reputation. The prospective construction of the Trans-Oceanic highway, combined with increasing agricultural demand during a time of soaring food prices, will inevitably contribute to a further consumption of land.

Destruction of the rainforest will be disastrous for all indigenous peoples living in the Amazon basin area; particularly those who have managed to remain isolated. Policy needs to be focused not only on protecting the environment, but also on safeguarding those whose precarious way of life is in danger of extinction.

Critics of government policy will argue that a proactive policy is needed, and that Peru and Brazil must immediately draw clear and unyielding boundaries for Amazon territory. Rather than ignore the uncontacted tribes, both Peru and Brazil's governments should enforce a strict policy of protection. A stringent zero-tolerance policy must be enforced. The governments should monitor and punish anyone intruding on or misusing indigenous land.

Only severe prosecution of those who defy national and international law by invading and deforesting will deter these criminals. The federal governments should also require that individual states take on greater responsibility to protect land that is off-limits to poachers and severely punish transgressors. Moreover, they must ensure that from this point forward there would be no more deforestation and construction of roads or dams that disrupt tribal lands and lives.

Governments must ensure that landowners re-use and increase the productivity of land that has already been cleared. Since contact with native peoples have had disastrous effects in the past, strict no-contact laws must be implemented. All nations with Amazon territory need to recognize, respect and protect tribal land and rights.

The destruction of a civilization is not a new phenomenon, especially as a result of environmental change and deforestation. Easter Island, now consisting mainly of scrub, once had a sizeable forest that natives used in the construction process of their stone statues. The disappearance of the island's forest has been shown to coincide with the decline of the civilization that built the famous monoliths.

What went through the mind of the person who cut down the last tree? Eventually, if we're not careful, we'll fell our last tree as well, and the rainforest's citizens will be wiped out. In the case of the Amazonian natives, outsiders deforest their home, but the lesson is the same: indigenous tribes need to be protected, lest we risk the consequences of their permanent destruction.

This analysis was prepared by COHA Research Associate Emily Dunn. The Council on Hemispheric Affairs (COHA) - www.coha.org - is a think tank established in 1975 to discuss and promote inter-American relationship. Email: This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it .



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Haha
written by A Brazilian, July 01, 2008
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worl...tworkfront


Or so the story was told and sold. But it has now emerged that, far from being unknown, the tribe's existence has been noted since 1910 and the mission to photograph them was undertaken in order to prove that 'uncontacted' tribes still existed


Lies, lies and lies. Survival International: a sham NGO.

BTW, there's plenty of information around that shows that the customs of many tribes have been influenced by the cultures that arrived in the last 500 years. So, the notion of "purity", of a "link" to the past, is false.

But the nonsense reaches the apex when contact is compared to genocide. So does Hollywood "genocide" the world every day? Contact they will have, sooner or later, and that's inevitable. It's just stupid to try to stop the inevitable. The most logical approach would be to decide how it should be done when it happens (if there's any real uncontacted tribe, that is).

Since it has no logic I can only conclude that the goal of such NGOs is to slow down the socio-economic development of the region by Brazil in order it can be saved for some other group.

The link
written by A Brazilian, July 01, 2008
the best proof would have been
written by forrest allen brown, July 01, 2008
TOO LEAVE THEM ALONE

like if you kill someone dont talk to any one about it

as someone else will tell then it will get on the net .

also are they in brasil or another country !!!!

that has not been proved yet so to assume they belong to brasil is a joke

they are free people to move where they wish as they have before time of the new comers that is you and your kind brasilan
This story has been discredited since last week.
written by Ricardo Amaral, July 01, 2008
CNN News and other news organizations run a story about this group of Indians and this photo a few weeks ago.

A few days ago CNN News asked the public to forgive for running this story without checking the story a little closer since it turned out that these Indians were staging as per request of the source of this photo. They were not Indians that had not been in contact with the outside world. They were just staging for this photo op and nothing else.
What an idiot... A Brazilian !!!!!!
written by ch.c., July 02, 2008


You said lies lies lies for Survival International !

Correct ?

Why dont you re-read more carefuly the article where it says :

"The government recently released the photographs taken by FUNAI, Brazil's National Foundation for Indians,"


Hummmmm ! You see you are proving to me how idiot YOU are !!!!!!

Laugh.....laugh.....laugh....laugh....laugh....laugh....laugh....laugh....laugh....laugh....laugh and........LAUGH AGAIN !!!!!!!






Furthermore...to the Idiot.....A Brazilian.......
written by ch.c., July 02, 2008
Your comments and analysis are welcomed....if you are not too red faced...or blue faced !!!!!

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There´s MORE?
written by Gringo, July 02, 2008
Lies, lies and lies. Survival International: a sham NGO.


The Photos were taken and distributed by a Brazilian sertanista working with FUNAI. That’s a government body in Brazil FYI, Abe.

BTW, there's plenty of information around that shows that the customs of many tribes have been influenced by the cultures that arrived in the last 500 years.

True, about 4.9 million Indians in Brazil had the customary acts of eating, breathing and living influenced dramatically beginning when the Portuguese set up shop, right up through to the glorious days of the Military dictatorship and the Brazilian Miracle. Just a shame we didn’t make it to the remaining 180,000 Indians before that damn democracy thing and those pesky NGOs arrived, eh Abe? smilies/grin.gif

But no worries, your government is doing all that it can to rid the country of altruistic foreigners and meddling foreign investors which will certainly hinder Ricardo’s “China should invest billions here” theory. Crikkies, an editorialist from a Parana rag today was chest-pounding at the fact that foreigners owned HOMES in their state. Gasp! How dare they own homes!

How absolutely primitive and pathetic, but also quite unnerving: Lula and his henchmen have learned to manipulate the power of nightmares, but I foresee this getting out of control. This should make you happy, Abe.

Since it has no logic I can only conclude that the goal of such NGOs is to slow down the socio-economic development of the region by Brazil in order it can be saved for some other group.


So how should we judge FUNAI´s role in this conspiracy to slow down the socioeconomic development of the region, then? They took and released the photos. The press release is on the government website.

It’s funny how Abe can only see the NGO name in the article that he himself posted, but ignores the paragraphs of quotes from Meirelles, the Brazilian GOVERNMENTAL sertanista. Abe’s paranoid ideation makes for a wonderful study in the irrational national psychosis that afflicts the majority in this ideologically diseased nation.

A few days ago CNN News asked the public to forgive for running this story without checking the story a little closer since it turned out that these Indians were staging as per request of the source of this photo. They were not Indians that had not been in contact with the outside world. They were just staging for this photo op and nothing else.


CNN is still talking about the story and the only clarification made is that instead of saying “lost tribe” they now use “Uncontacted tribe”. Again, it’s telling to note that while hard-line nationalists like to blame the international NGO Survival Int for the misleading caption, it was a Brazilian Photographer working for a Brazilian Governmental body that admits to “sexing-up” the press release. But Abe´s attacks are aimed at the “Greeeeengos”, only. GDS: Gringo Derangement Syndrome. You should have that checked.

Regardless, as Meirelles (A Brazilian I´ll remind you all again) laments; the controversy over the word play “lost” and “uncontacted” doesn’t take away from the fact that there are isolated groups in the Amazon facing real threats because of illegal and predatory logging.
Ricardo Amaral
written by João da Silva, July 02, 2008
But no worries, your government is doing all that it can to rid the country of altruistic foreigners and meddling foreign investors which will certainly hinder Ricardo’s “China should invest billions here” theory.


An interesting point "Gringo" put forth. When you wrote the last article, I was questioning in my mind if with all these Xenophobia going around, if the Chinese would go overboard to come and invest in Brasil. It is a coincidence that "Gringo" comes out with the same question. Would appreciate your views.
Gringo
written by João da Silva, July 02, 2008
Crikkies, an editorialist from a Parana rag today was chest-pounding at the fact that foreigners owned HOMES in their state. Gasp! How dare they own homes!


What is the name of the rag from PR? Never heard of this Crikkies. Does this idiot want to send the executives of Renault, Volvo, etc; back to their respective countries? Is this Crikkies a native of PR?
Gringo, I told you so
written by A Brazilian, July 02, 2008
True, about 4.9 million Indians in Brazil had the customary acts of eating, breathing and living influenced dramatically beginning when the Portuguese set up shop, right up through to the glorious days of the Military dictatorship and the Brazilian Miracle. Just a shame we didn’t make it to the remaining 180,000 Indians before that damn democracy thing and those pesky NGOs arrived, eh Abe?


When people reach such low level of argumentation, it is sign that they have nothing really to say.

I have actually read about indigenous culture, I remember one thesis from someone that I forgot the name now, about the indigenous culture and myths. Basically was a description of many stories from the north of the country. Since the Indians are prehistoric and time don't work as something linear for them and they have no historical records, they can blend new things and in the space of a few generations it become "theirs".

So the author found evidence in many of the myths of Christian or even African influence.

But the truth is, most Indians were absorbed. I have indigenous ancestors as well, just like a huge chunk of the Brazilian population.

So how should we judge FUNAI´s role in this conspiracy to slow down the socioeconomic development of the region, then? They took and released the photos. The press release is on the government website.


Survival Internation immediatly used the picture as proof of uncontacted tribes, so much that this article exists.

I told you to stop before you would embarrass yourself, once again:

http://100militar.blogspot.com...nommi.html

http://alertatotal.blogspot.co...posio.html

É NOSSO DEVER GARANTIR A PRESERVAÇÃO DO TERRITÓRIO DA AMAZÔNIA E DE SEUS HABITANTES ABORÍGENES, PARA O SEU DESFRUTE PELAS GRANDES CIVILIZAÇÕES EUROPÉIAS, CUJAS ÁREAS NATURAIS ESTEJAM REDUZIDAS A UM LIMITE CRÍTICO .


Translation:

It's our duty to preserve the Amazon territory and its aborigine inhabitants for the use of the great European civilizations, whose natural areas are diminished to a critical level


There's more, just Goggle about the action of NGOs like Survival and others. They are criminals.
...
written by Gringo, July 02, 2008
When people reach such low level of argumentation, it is sign that they have nothing really to say.


You deny the massacre of Indians in Brazil? This I must hear.

I have actually read about indigenous culture, I remember one thesis from someone that I forgot the name now, about the indigenous culture and myths.


I remember something I read once, about something I think was important that was written by, oh what’s his name?… nice try. Make a point when you have something substantial to offer. Not, distant memories of some bizarre thesis you may or may not remember correctly, mmmk?

But the truth is, most Indians were absorbed. I have indigenous ancestors as well, just like a huge chunk of the Brazilian population.


Many were, through a systematic government sponsored BREED THEM OUT program. This is common knowledge, but what’s your point? That there are 4.9 million Indians less because everyone had a gay ole time f**king? Pathetic.

Survival Internation immediatly used the picture as proof of uncontacted tribes, so much that this article exists.


They sent it out with FUNAI’s captioning. The photographer explains everything. What can’t you fathom about that? And again, in the end, it’s nothing more that word play. The Indians exist; they are uncontacted, and potentially threatened, as are many isolated groups. What is fraudulent and despicable about that?

Now you go and give me two blogspots, one from some military wanker and the other from a nobody and cite this as proof to what? Come on Abe, I know thinking is not your strong suit, but you’ve done better in the past.
Gringo, try again.
written by A Brazilian, July 02, 2008
Many were, through a systematic government sponsored BREED THEM OUT program. This is common knowledge


For someone that asks for "substantiated" information, this seems a bit vague. I would recommend you to read Gilberto Freyre and learn a bit about Brazil.

Yes, there were conflicts, but the inter-marriage happened naturally. And Indians and colonizers even fought side by side to kick invaders out of here in the past.

There's no such thing as genocide, those Indians are Brazilians.

What is fraudulent and despicable about that?


This is an example of the tactics used. Then articles like this one are written based on disinformation in order to try to influence the international opinion.

Now you go and give me two blogspots, one from some military wanker and the other from a nobody and cite this as proof to what?


You asked for it, you got it. All the references are there. If you have anything to say about the truthfulness of those affirmations then please point out what is wrong. Come on.

One link shows the invention of the Ianomamis. The other link shows an organization involved in deliberatly sabotaging the development of the region.

There are many other examples, just look for it.
...
written by Gringo, July 02, 2008
I would recommend you to read Gilberto Freyre and learn a bit about Brazil.


Thanks for your Brazil 101 recommendation. May I recommend the trilogy, “Red Gold”, “Amazon Frontier: The Defeat of the Brazilian Indians”, and “Die if you must” by John Hemming. Not only would you find his condemnation of NGOs laudable (but for legitimate reasons, not the ones you and your military always whine about) but its well cited and researched over decades. Hemming didn’t rely on blogsopts written by angry UFSP drop outs or rightwing military throwbacks looking to create the next bogyman.

Yes, there were conflicts,


Talk about euphomisms!

One link shows the invention of the Ianomamis. The other link shows an organization involved in deliberatly sabotaging the development of the region.


And again, anyone can publicize a blog psot in ten minutes. Your tactic of “The information is in there, just look” is just juvenile and beneath even you. Now you’re just being annoying.

There are many other examples, just look for it.


No, there´s not. As much as you want there to be, the evidence doesn´t exist, or we´d be seeing trials in Brazilia already. A bit of Occamm's Razor in your research would go a long way....
It’s Long Overdue
written by .., July 02, 2008
Brasil MUST not allow any foreigners in the Amazon basin, unless they have approved business to be there, and then monitored closely!

Brasil must reassure its sovereignty over its own territory. Keep the CIA operatives the hell out.

Costinha

PS Mr. Itchy… Vai Tomar No Cu!
My Dear Friend Mr. Half-Gringo
written by ..., July 02, 2008
Looks like “A Brazilian” once again creamed you’re a$$. Will You Ever Learn?

After 6 months inside that Canadian cabin and vicious winter, your logic is warped. Get you self a fresh copy of Playboy Magazine and spank the monkey… You will feel better!

Costinha

Joao, Abe et.al
written by Gringo, July 02, 2008
It’s not often I find myself nodding in agreement with Brazilian editorials lately, but this one, apart from the ridiculous comment about the Canadian Permafrost, had me believing, even if just for a second, that there is in fact intelligent life out there. (cue x-files soundtrack).

http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/folha/pensata/helioschwartsman/ult510u416068.shtml

However, I was not surprised in the least at the responses to his comments which he addressed here.

http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/folha/pensata/helioschwartsman/ult510u416068.shtml

And on that note, nighty-night.
...
written by Gringo, July 02, 2008
Looks like “A Brazilian” once again creamed you’re a$$. Will You Ever Learn?


The only thing Abe creams is his pants; and he does that at the very thought of gringos hanging by their necks in front of teatro Amazonas, while the Hino Nacional blasts and fully decked-out generals let you´re pal kiss their rings.

Canadian winters are indeed cold, but I suffer more with the year-long mental drought encountered here.
Gringo is trying my patience
written by A Brazilian, July 02, 2008
nd again, anyone can publicize a blog psot in ten minutes. Your tactic of “The information is in there, just look” is just juvenile and beneath even you. Now you’re just being annoying.


Dumbf**k, the information in the websites refers to real things in the real world, that can be verified if you will.

Now, what on the Internet could be given if not a website?

Yes, ignorant f**k, study! Start with Gilberto Freyre, a real scientist and learn how the Brazilian society was formed.
Once again, I must interject into this discussion.
written by ..., July 02, 2008
Half-Gringo lost the battle (no surprises here), like every Canadian I know, bowing to their masters the AmeriCANS, while talking tough to others… I think Bush and his nazi-gang should go ahead and invade Canada at once, and get it over with!

Is there any Canadian cowgirl out there who could help Gringo take his frustrations out? That boy needs an Igloo, and a nice (with no toofers) Eskimo lady to choke his chicken.

Then, his mighty mind mighty not be so useless… Poor Gringo, studied for a blood test and still failed.

Your Costa
Abe
written by Gringo, July 03, 2008
Dumbf**k, the information in the websites refers to real things in the real world, that can be verified if you will.


ha ha ha. Watch it Abe, looks like you’re about to pop a synapses. LOL.

Ya know, you’re just as awkward and as predicable as the fist time your knuckles dragged across this forum. You’re infamously fascist, openly xenophobic (which is the trend here lately) and, well, given the company you keep and the fans (sorry, FAN) you attract here, you’re simply the quintessential example of what is exposed in booklink below: Only, you´re really funny.

http://www.amazon.com/Guide-Perfect-Latin-American-Idiot/dp/156833236X

As to your psychosis, you and your nation have yet to prove a foreign looming threat to wrestle the Amazon from Brazil exists. From the 60s when your nation’s brain trust screamed “integrate so as not to surrender” to today’s current witch hunt, no one here in Never-Never Land has ever found any verifiable proof of the global conspiracy you are so eager to war over. Even the US acquiesced and “kind of” apologized after 4 years of not finding WMDs. However your ilk is too stubborn and would rather plow and burn this nation to the ground before ever admitting that this “fear of internationalization” is simply a myth. Over 45 years, CPIs, Senate hearings, tons of chest pounding and nothing. No formal study, nada. No surprises.

You link to a website that aims to protect indigenous rights, you highlight two or three “objectives” from that site that call for the protection of indigenous languages, cultures, education and then scream what's written is basically a casus belli. In fact your very own constitution affords even more rights to Indians, and rightfully so. But we’ve become painfully aware over the months that you have no idea what’s in your country’s constitution, and you don’t particularly care to learn.

Historically, you deny Indian massacres in this nation. Absurd. You then back peddle and refer to these massacres, euphemistically, as “conflicts”. It would be so easy for me to fall prey to Godwin’s law at this moment, but i´ll resist. Here in the south, the story of Dias Velhos, a merciless Indian killer, is fairly common knowledge. Karma sure took a bite out of his ass, though. LOL. Ask Joao, he’ll fill you in.

Abe you’re simply delusional so by default facts aren’t your commodity of trade. You deal in nightmares, myths, the bogyman and raw nationalistic gobblygook and pettifogging, like your populist government, many in your military (I’m sure I’ll hear a knock at the door over that one) and sadly, the majority in this part of the world, although the US is still master.

I’m sorry I annoy you, because you bring me great moments of hilarity. It’s like watching a puppy chase his tail in frustration, or when I raise these very same subjects at botecas and watch folks froth at the mouth trying to out-scream one another and compete over who can pound the table the hardest. I must confess, I don’t quibble as hard in these situations because in this nation we know that’s the fastest way to end up DEAD.
Abe
written by Gringo, July 03, 2008
So back to your original rants:

1. You claimed SI is a fraudulent group and faked photos of the Indians in Acre, when in fact it was a Brazilian photographer working with FUNAI that took the pictures and distributed them. The Brazilian photographer admits this in the very article YOU posted. Even then, it’s much ado about nothing and hardly reason to condemn a group.

2. You think Survival faked the video of the attack in Raposoa Serra do Sol. You offer no proof. Just opinion. The video is legit, it shows quite vividly how conflicts are often resolved in the north, and that thugs and “coronels” operate freely.

3. You jumped all over CH.c because of his use of “semi-civilized”. You either are or you are not is your stance. You even compared being “civilized” to being “pregnant.” LOL. Yet on the very same page you said the Indians looked “pretty much” civilized? LMAO. Again, we know specifics, facts and details aren’t your bailiwick. You like wide sweeping generalizations and myths, the problem is you can’t even keep them straight.

4. You give me two links to two obscure blogs written by two obscure nobodies, they contain no comments (meaning no one reads them), and even less substance but you cite this is proof to contradict a point I made, but you won’t even be specific about the point you’re contradicting. Priceless.

Again Abe, thanks for the chuckles. One needs to laugh at times when all looks so frighteningly surreal. I’ve chased the rabbit into the hole again, and now I’m temporarily trapped in this hallucinogenic-like fairytale/nightmare. But it lets me chuckle.

Actually, I’m a member of her Majesties Secret Service and I’m here to help usurp the Amazon from Brazil’s control. Huuuhoohhaahaaaa. If you’re really nice, once I’ve created an international reserve in the Amazon, I’ll give you a sitio to plant manioc… mkkkkk?
...
written by Gringo, July 03, 2008
Half-Gringo lost the battle (no surprises here), like every Canadian I know, bowing to their masters the AmeriCANS, while talking tough to others… I think Bush and his nazi-gang should go ahead and invade Canada at once, and get it over with!


Hugs back to you my gringo Canadian brother! And I’m not half gringo; I’m the real deal, thank you very much. I have no plans for changing that, even if I could.
On final note...
written by Gringo, July 03, 2008
Now, what on the Internet could be given if not a website?


So you´re saying that everything on the internet is true? smilies/cry.gif
½ Gringo says “because you bring me great moments of hilarity”
written by ..., July 03, 2008
Hehehe… The man is really tripping!

Gringonorreah is the only person I know who talks a storm but says nothing, write pages upon pages about nothing, argues with everyone about absolutely nothing, have discussion with nobody about something that for most means nothing, always referring to the smallest of ideas and to people to could not care the least or nothing, and at the end of the day, accomplishes whatelse? Nothing! Yeah…. That old boy is flipping inside out.

Dunce, you are jumping around this thread like a coked-up turkey on a hot stove. Sit down, and give your brains a rest.

Try this maneuver: Take 50-60 paces backwards. Take several deep breaths. Sprint forward at full speed doing a triple summersault through the air, and disappear up your own a.s.s.hole.

Costinha
Bi Definition
written by Simpleton, July 03, 2008
Crikkies - aren't those those little black or brown hoppy things that make so much racket at night and get smeared by cars in the street?

Now Abe and Costa, why don't you two boyellas just run along and engage in your other favorite passtime. Least that way you show only a bit of one cheek instead of your unsightly gaping holes filled stories. Besides, this would encourage you to garb yourself with something in a bit flashier neon coloration like your sister ho's on the other end of the block. Much better than the bloody red hands garb you cloak yourself with. Loin cloth or no loin cloth, the indigeonous people don't deserve to be force fed your preservativas and educacao.
Oh my Oh my….my my my!
written by ..., July 03, 2008
Simpleton just became Complicatedton. Your ego is like a huge pendulum attached to a miniature clock. Your head is really getting too big for your toupee.

Excuse me Complicatedton, I think you are mistaking me for someone who gives a damn. The only difference between you and a bucket of s.h.i.t. is the bucket!

Costinha
My bad
written by Simpleton, July 03, 2008
You think I think you are someone who gives a damn Costa? So sorry, I certainly didn't intend to give you such an impression by any means. Clearly that would be untrue. Listen carefully, I think that's your mother yelling for you to get the hell out of her house and go play in the street. Squish squish.
Complicatedton... I love u 2!
written by ..., July 03, 2008
Now, what you just said really hurts....

My deepest regards to you (...o...) Pooooooooof. Do you get the hot drift?

Costinha
GRINGO IS AS THICK AS A DOOR
written by A Brazilian, July 03, 2008
So you´re saying that everything on the internet is true?


...

I told you to stop before you embarrassed yourself again, and there you are, making a complete ass of yourself.

The information in the websites can be verified. Now how this translates to "everything on the internet is true" is a mistery to me. Perhaps you have reading problems.
Costinha
written by A Brazilian, July 03, 2008
You are very creative! Hahaha
Uuffda
written by Simpleton, July 03, 2008
No abe, gringo doesn't have reading problems. He captured the thread of what you conveyed fairly accurately. Perhaps you have a language problem and don't recognize what you wrote wasn't what you really meant to convey? Logic and substantiation arguments have never been your forte either. If anything you might say gringo is just skateing on thin ice. In a week or less it will have finally thawed in his neck of the north woods (and his brain will theoretically thaw out shortly thereafter - HA!). Better send him a case of cachaca if you want him to start interpreting you your way and believe in the smoke signals you give off.

Cu-sta, Wow, dia 4 de Julho - what a grand fireworks display, struck a match and your drift produced this gigantic blue flame. Eu adoro vc~.~
Costa and Abe
written by Gringo, July 04, 2008
I'm glad you two ladies continue to work tag team and highlight your manners and erudition without shame. Nothing helps Brazil shed its "Banana Republic" stereotype better than Costinha's cultured colour commentary to Abe's scholarly play by play. If Ch.c ever writes a book, I expect you two fine outstanding Brazilian citizens to pose for the cover. mmmk Costinha, that might make hiding your true gringo identity a bit of a problem.

The information in the websites can be verified. Now how this translates to "everything on the internet is true" is a mistery to me. Perhaps you have reading problems.


That's the sound of a vira lata yelping down the road in frustration with the its tail between its legs. smilies/grin.gif
Gringão… Will You Ever Learn?
written by ..., July 04, 2008
He is the type of guy who buys his wife a floor jack for Christmas.

Gringão… I know you are very lonely up there on the vast frozen Canadian prairies… However, you should never drink on an empty head. Poor guy, he paid to have his family tree searched to found out he was the sap.

Hehehe

Costinha

PS: Simpleton, I like you, but I wouldn't want to see you working with sub-atomic particles.
Has anyone seen Shelly lately?
written by ..., July 04, 2008
You know, Shelly, the one married to that gay english dudette!

Reply to Joao da Silva
written by Ricardo Amaral, July 05, 2008
Joao da Silva: "An interesting point "Gringo" put forth. When you wrote the last article, I was questioning in my mind if with all these Xenophobia going around, if the Chinese would go overboard to come and invest in Brasil. It is a coincidence that "Gringo" comes out with the same question. Would appreciate your views."

*****

Reply:

My next article is ready for publication, and probably it will be published early next week on Brazzil magazine.

My article will answer your question.

.
Ricardo Amaral
written by João da Silva, July 05, 2008
My next article is ready for publication, and probably it will be published early next week on Brazzil magazine.


Hope it is published in this site and not www.brazzilmag.com.
And why not pray tell
written by Simpleton, July 05, 2008
Costa, do you find me to be a bit to quarky to be working in nuclear physics?

Nothing on Shelly. No recent news on the dancer either. Hopefully her and her young one made it back down to be with family.
Simpleton
written by Shelly1, July 07, 2008
I am still here, how are you? I am so busy, working on several conservation projects and hardly have time to post here.

I went to the Bahamas and DR, I will return next year.

Ahhh... Shelly, minha piranha gostosa!
written by ..., July 08, 2008
How are you, honey?

Agora a senhorita ta dando o cu nas Bahamas e Republica Dominicana. Poor Shelly, obviously too much woman for that prick rotten-teeth english VIADO!

I am here, for you, Shelly the Belly.


Kissies on them tities...

Costinha
all for the natives
written by samuel welsh, August 18, 2009
These are special people we must halt all logging and protect them.
all for the natives
written by samuel welsh, August 18, 2009
We must protect them from these evil loggong companies.
And get rid of the negative western thought of looking down on theses people.

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