Brazzil

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worl...tworkfront

Or so the story was told and sold. But it has now emerged that, far from being unknown, the tribe's existence has been noted since 1910 and the mission to photograph them was undertaken in order to prove that 'uncontacted' tribes still existed

Lies, lies and lies. Survival International: a sham NGO.

BTW, there's plenty of information around that shows that the customs of many tribes have been influenced by the cultures that arrived in the last 500 years. So, the notion of "purity", of a "link" to the past, is false.

But the nonsense reaches the apex when contact is compared to genocide. So does Hollywood "genocide" the world every day? Contact they will have, sooner or later, and that's inevitable. It's just stupid to try to stop the inevitable. The most logical approach would be to decide how it should be done when it happens (if there's any real uncontacted tribe, that is).

Since it has no logic I can only conclude that the goal of such NGOs is to slow down the socio-economic development of the region by Brazil in order it can be saved for some other group.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worl...tworkfront

TOO LEAVE THEM ALONE

like if you kill someone dont talk to any one about it

as someone else will tell then it will get on the net .

also are they in brasil or another country !!!!

that has not been proved yet so to assume they belong to brasil is a joke

they are free people to move where they wish as they have before time of the new comers that is you and your kind brasilan

CNN News and other news organizations run a story about this group of Indians and this photo a few weeks ago.

A few days ago CNN News asked the public to forgive for running this story without checking the story a little closer since it turned out that these Indians were staging as per request of the source of this photo. They were not Indians that had not been in contact with the outside world. They were just staging for this photo op and nothing else.

You said lies lies lies for Survival International !

Correct ?

Why dont you re-read more carefuly the article where it says :

"The government recently released the photographs taken by FUNAI, Brazil's National Foundation for Indians,"


Hummmmm ! You see you are proving to me how idiot YOU are !!!!!!

Laugh.....laugh.....laugh....laugh....laugh....laugh....laugh....laugh....laugh....laugh....laugh and........LAUGH AGAIN !!!!!!!

Your comments and analysis are welcomed....if you are not too red faced...or blue faced !!!!!

Lies, lies and lies. Survival International: a sham NGO.

The Photos were taken and distributed by a Brazilian sertanista working with FUNAI. That’s a government body in Brazil FYI, Abe.

BTW, there's plenty of information around that shows that the customs of many tribes have been influenced by the cultures that arrived in the last 500 years.

True, about 4.9 million Indians in Brazil had the customary acts of eating, breathing and living influenced dramatically beginning when the Portuguese set up shop, right up through to the glorious days of the Military dictatorship and the Brazilian Miracle. Just a shame we didn’t make it to the remaining 180,000 Indians before that damn democracy thing and those pesky NGOs arrived, eh Abe?

But no worries, your government is doing all that it can to rid the country of altruistic foreigners and meddling foreign investors which will certainly hinder Ricardo’s “China should invest billions here” theory. Crikkies, an editorialist from a Parana rag today was chest-pounding at the fact that foreigners owned HOMES in their state. Gasp! How dare they own homes!

How absolutely primitive and pathetic, but also quite unnerving: Lula and his henchmen have learned to manipulate the power of nightmares, but I foresee this getting out of control. This should make you happy, Abe.

Since it has no logic I can only conclude that the goal of such NGOs is to slow down the socio-economic development of the region by Brazil in order it can be saved for some other group.

So how should we judge FUNAI´s role in this conspiracy to slow down the socioeconomic development of the region, then? They took and released the photos. The press release is on the government website.

It’s funny how Abe can only see the NGO name in the article that he himself posted, but ignores the paragraphs of quotes from Meirelles, the Brazilian GOVERNMENTAL sertanista. Abe’s paranoid ideation makes for a wonderful study in the irrational national psychosis that afflicts the majority in this ideologically diseased nation.

A few days ago CNN News asked the public to forgive for running this story without checking the story a little closer since it turned out that these Indians were staging as per request of the source of this photo. They were not Indians that had not been in contact with the outside world. They were just staging for this photo op and nothing else.

CNN is still talking about the story and the only clarification made is that instead of saying “lost tribe” they now use “Uncontacted tribe”. Again, it’s telling to note that while hard-line nationalists like to blame the international NGO Survival Int for the misleading caption, it was a Brazilian Photographer working for a Brazilian Governmental body that admits to “sexing-up” the press release. But Abe´s attacks are aimed at the “Greeeeengos”, only. GDS: Gringo Derangement Syndrome. You should have that checked.

Regardless, as Meirelles (A Brazilian I´ll remind you all again) laments; the controversy over the word play “lost” and “uncontacted” doesn’t take away from the fact that there are isolated groups in the Amazon facing real threats because of illegal and predatory logging.

But no worries, your government is doing all that it can to rid the country of altruistic foreigners and meddling foreign investors which will certainly hinder Ricardo’s “China should invest billions here” theory.

An interesting point "Gringo" put forth. When you wrote the last article, I was questioning in my mind if with all these Xenophobia going around, if the Chinese would go overboard to come and invest in Brasil. It is a coincidence that "Gringo" comes out with the same question. Would appreciate your views.

Crikkies, an editorialist from a Parana rag today was chest-pounding at the fact that foreigners owned HOMES in their state. Gasp! How dare they own homes!

What is the name of the rag from PR? Never heard of this Crikkies. Does this idiot want to send the executives of Renault, Volvo, etc; back to their respective countries? Is this Crikkies a native of PR?

True, about 4.9 million Indians in Brazil had the customary acts of eating, breathing and living influenced dramatically beginning when the Portuguese set up shop, right up through to the glorious days of the Military dictatorship and the Brazilian Miracle. Just a shame we didn’t make it to the remaining 180,000 Indians before that damn democracy thing and those pesky NGOs arrived, eh Abe?

When people reach such low level of argumentation, it is sign that they have nothing really to say.

I have actually read about indigenous culture, I remember one thesis from someone that I forgot the name now, about the indigenous culture and myths. Basically was a description of many stories from the north of the country. Since the Indians are prehistoric and time don't work as something linear for them and they have no historical records, they can blend new things and in the space of a few generations it become "theirs".

So the author found evidence in many of the myths of Christian or even African influence.

But the truth is, most Indians were absorbed. I have indigenous ancestors as well, just like a huge chunk of the Brazilian population.

So how should we judge FUNAI´s role in this conspiracy to slow down the socioeconomic development of the region, then? They took and released the photos. The press release is on the government website.

Survival Internation immediatly used the picture as proof of uncontacted tribes, so much that this article exists.

I told you to stop before you would embarrass yourself, once again:

http://100militar.blogspot.com...nommi.html

http://alertatotal.blogspot.co...posio.html

É NOSSO DEVER GARANTIR A PRESERVAÇÃO DO TERRITÓRIO DA AMAZÔNIA E DE SEUS HABITANTES ABORÍGENES, PARA O SEU DESFRUTE PELAS GRANDES CIVILIZAÇÕES EUROPÉIAS, CUJAS ÁREAS NATURAIS ESTEJAM REDUZIDAS A UM LIMITE CRÍTICO .

Translation:

It's our duty to preserve the Amazon territory and its aborigine inhabitants for the use of the great European civilizations, whose natural areas are diminished to a critical level

There's more, just Goggle about the action of NGOs like Survival and others. They are criminals.

When people reach such low level of argumentation, it is sign that they have nothing really to say.

You deny the massacre of Indians in Brazil? This I must hear.

I have actually read about indigenous culture, I remember one thesis from someone that I forgot the name now, about the indigenous culture and myths.

I remember something I read once, about something I think was important that was written by, oh what’s his name?… nice try. Make a point when you have something substantial to offer. Not, distant memories of some bizarre thesis you may or may not remember correctly, mmmk?

But the truth is, most Indians were absorbed. I have indigenous ancestors as well, just like a huge chunk of the Brazilian population.

Many were, through a systematic government sponsored BREED THEM OUT program. This is common knowledge, but what’s your point? That there are 4.9 million Indians less because everyone had a gay ole time f**king? Pathetic.

Survival Internation immediatly used the picture as proof of uncontacted tribes, so much that this article exists.

They sent it out with FUNAI’s captioning. The photographer explains everything. What can’t you fathom about that? And again, in the end, it’s nothing more that word play. The Indians exist; they are uncontacted, and potentially threatened, as are many isolated groups. What is fraudulent and despicable about that?

Now you go and give me two blogspots, one from some military wanker and the other from a nobody and cite this as proof to what? Come on Abe, I know thinking is not your strong suit, but you’ve done better in the past.

Many were, through a systematic government sponsored BREED THEM OUT program. This is common knowledge

For someone that asks for "substantiated" information, this seems a bit vague. I would recommend you to read Gilberto Freyre and learn a bit about Brazil.

Yes, there were conflicts, but the inter-marriage happened naturally. And Indians and colonizers even fought side by side to kick invaders out of here in the past.

There's no such thing as genocide, those Indians are Brazilians.

What is fraudulent and despicable about that?

This is an example of the tactics used. Then articles like this one are written based on disinformation in order to try to influence the international opinion.

Now you go and give me two blogspots, one from some military wanker and the other from a nobody and cite this as proof to what?

You asked for it, you got it. All the references are there. If you have anything to say about the truthfulness of those affirmations then please point out what is wrong. Come on.

One link shows the invention of the Ianomamis. The other link shows an organization involved in deliberatly sabotaging the development of the region.

There are many other examples, just look for it.

I would recommend you to read Gilberto Freyre and learn a bit about Brazil.

Thanks for your Brazil 101 recommendation. May I recommend the trilogy, “Red Gold”, “Amazon Frontier: The Defeat of the Brazilian Indians”, and “Die if you must” by John Hemming. Not only would you find his condemnation of NGOs laudable (but for legitimate reasons, not the ones you and your military always whine about) but its well cited and researched over decades. Hemming didn’t rely on blogsopts written by angry UFSP drop outs or rightwing military throwbacks looking to create the next bogyman.

Yes, there were conflicts,

Talk about euphomisms!

One link shows the invention of the Ianomamis. The other link shows an organization involved in deliberatly sabotaging the development of the region.

And again, anyone can publicize a blog psot in ten minutes. Your tactic of “The information is in there, just look” is just juvenile and beneath even you. Now you’re just being annoying.

There are many other examples, just look for it.

No, there´s not. As much as you want there to be, the evidence doesn´t exist, or we´d be seeing trials in Brazilia already. A bit of Occamm's Razor in your research would go a long way....

Brasil MUST not allow any foreigners in the Amazon basin, unless they have approved business to be there, and then monitored closely!

Brasil must reassure its sovereignty over its own territory. Keep the CIA operatives the hell out.

Costinha

PS Mr. Itchy… Vai Tomar No Cu!

Looks like “A Brazilian” once again creamed you’re a$$. Will You Ever Learn?

After 6 months inside that Canadian cabin and vicious winter, your logic is warped. Get you self a fresh copy of Playboy Magazine and spank the monkey… You will feel better!

Costinha

It’s not often I find myself nodding in agreement with Brazilian editorials lately, but this one, apart from the ridiculous comment about the Canadian Permafrost, had me believing, even if just for a second, that there is in fact intelligent life out there. (cue x-files soundtrack).

http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/folha/pensata/helioschwartsman/ult510u416068.shtml

However, I was not surprised in the least at the responses to his comments which he addressed here.

http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/folha/pensata/helioschwartsman/ult510u416068.shtml

And on that note, nighty-night.

Looks like “A Brazilian” once again creamed you’re a$$. Will You Ever Learn?

The only thing Abe creams is his pants; and he does that at the very thought of gringos hanging by their necks in front of teatro Amazonas, while the Hino Nacional blasts and fully decked-out generals let you´re pal kiss their rings.

Canadian winters are indeed cold, but I suffer more with the year-long mental drought encountered here.

nd again, anyone can publicize a blog psot in ten minutes. Your tactic of “The information is in there, just look” is just juvenile and beneath even you. Now you’re just being annoying.

Dumbf**k, the information in the websites refers to real things in the real world, that can be verified if you will.

Now, what on the Internet could be given if not a website?

Yes, ignorant f**k, study! Start with Gilberto Freyre, a real scientist and learn how the Brazilian society was formed.

Half-Gringo lost the battle (no surprises here), like every Canadian I know, bowing to their masters the AmeriCANS, while talking tough to others… I think Bush and his nazi-gang should go ahead and invade Canada at once, and get it over with!

Is there any Canadian cowgirl out there who could help Gringo take his frustrations out? That boy needs an Igloo, and a nice (with no toofers) Eskimo lady to choke his chicken.

Then, his mighty mind mighty not be so useless… Poor Gringo, studied for a blood test and still failed.

Your Costa

Dumbf**k, the information in the websites refers to real things in the real world, that can be verified if you will.

ha ha ha. Watch it Abe, looks like you’re about to pop a synapses. LOL.

Ya know, you’re just as awkward and as predicable as the fist time your knuckles dragged across this forum. You’re infamously fascist, openly xenophobic (which is the trend here lately) and, well, given the company you keep and the fans (sorry, FAN) you attract here, you’re simply the quintessential example of what is exposed in booklink below: Only, you´re really funny.

http://www.amazon.com/Guide-Perfect-Latin-American-Idiot/dp/156833236X

As to your psychosis, you and your nation have yet to prove a foreign looming threat to wrestle the Amazon from Brazil exists. From the 60s when your nation’s brain trust screamed “integrate so as not to surrender” to today’s current witch hunt, no one here in Never-Never Land has ever found any verifiable proof of the global conspiracy you are so eager to war over. Even the US acquiesced and “kind of” apologized after 4 years of not finding WMDs. However your ilk is too stubborn and would rather plow and burn this nation to the ground before ever admitting that this “fear of internationalization” is simply a myth. Over 45 years, CPIs, Senate hearings, tons of chest pounding and nothing. No formal study, nada. No surprises.

You link to a website that aims to protect indigenous rights, you highlight two or three “objectives” from that site that call for the protection of indigenous languages, cultures, education and then scream what's written is basically a casus belli. In fact your very own constitution affords even more rights to Indians, and rightfully so. But we’ve become painfully aware over the months that you have no idea what’s in your country’s constitution, and you don’t particularly care to learn.

Historically, you deny Indian massacres in this nation. Absurd. You then back peddle and refer to these massacres, euphemistically, as “conflicts”. It would be so easy for me to fall prey to Godwin’s law at this moment, but i´ll resist. Here in the south, the story of Dias Velhos, a merciless Indian killer, is fairly common knowledge. Karma sure took a bite out of his ass, though. LOL. Ask Joao, he’ll fill you in.

Abe you’re simply delusional so by default facts aren’t your commodity of trade. You deal in nightmares, myths, the bogyman and raw nationalistic gobblygook and pettifogging, like your populist government, many in your military (I’m sure I’ll hear a knock at the door over that one) and sadly, the majority in this part of the world, although the US is still master.

I’m sorry I annoy you, because you bring me great moments of hilarity. It’s like watching a puppy chase his tail in frustration, or when I raise these very same subjects at botecas and watch folks froth at the mouth trying to out-scream one another and compete over who can pound the table the hardest. I must confess, I don’t quibble as hard in these situations because in this nation we know that’s the fastest way to end up DEAD.

So back to your original rants:

1. You claimed SI is a fraudulent group and faked photos of the Indians in Acre, when in fact it was a Brazilian photographer working with FUNAI that took the pictures and distributed them. The Brazilian photographer admits this in the very article YOU posted. Even then, it’s much ado about nothing and hardly reason to condemn a group.

2. You think Survival faked the video of the attack in Raposoa Serra do Sol. You offer no proof. Just opinion. The video is legit, it shows quite vividly how conflicts are often resolved in the north, and that thugs and “coronels” operate freely.

3. You jumped all over CH.c because of his use of “semi-civilized”. You either are or you are not is your stance. You even compared being “civilized” to being “pregnant.” LOL. Yet on the very same page you said the Indians looked “pretty much” civilized? LMAO. Again, we know specifics, facts and details aren’t your bailiwick. You like wide sweeping generalizations and myths, the problem is you can’t even keep them straight.

4. You give me two links to two obscure blogs written by two obscure nobodies, they contain no comments (meaning no one reads them), and even less substance but you cite this is proof to contradict a point I made, but you won’t even be specific about the point you’re contradicting. Priceless.

Again Abe, thanks for the chuckles. One needs to laugh at times when all looks so frighteningly surreal. I’ve chased the rabbit into the hole again, and now I’m temporarily trapped in this hallucinogenic-like fairytale/nightmare. But it lets me chuckle.

Actually, I’m a member of her Majesties Secret Service and I’m here to help usurp the Amazon from Brazil’s control. Huuuhoohhaahaaaa. If you’re really nice, once I’ve created an international reserve in the Amazon, I’ll give you a sitio to plant manioc… mkkkkk?

Half-Gringo lost the battle (no surprises here), like every Canadian I know, bowing to their masters the AmeriCANS, while talking tough to others… I think Bush and his nazi-gang should go ahead and invade Canada at once, and get it over with!

Hugs back to you my gringo Canadian brother! And I’m not half gringo; I’m the real deal, thank you very much. I have no plans for changing that, even if I could.

Now, what on the Internet could be given if not a website?

So you´re saying that everything on the internet is true?

Hehehe… The man is really tripping!

Gringonorreah is the only person I know who talks a storm but says nothing, write pages upon pages about nothing, argues with everyone about absolutely nothing, have discussion with nobody about something that for most means nothing, always referring to the smallest of ideas and to people to could not care the least or nothing, and at the end of the day, accomplishes whatelse? Nothing! Yeah…. That old boy is flipping inside out.

Dunce, you are jumping around this thread like a coked-up turkey on a hot stove. Sit down, and give your brains a rest.

Try this maneuver: Take 50-60 paces backwards. Take several deep breaths. Sprint forward at full speed doing a triple summersault through the air, and disappear up your own a.s.s.hole.

Costinha

Crikkies - aren't those those little black or brown hoppy things that make so much racket at night and get smeared by cars in the street?

Now Abe and Costa, why don't you two boyellas just run along and engage in your other favorite passtime. Least that way you show only a bit of one cheek instead of your unsightly gaping holes filled stories. Besides, this would encourage you to garb yourself with something in a bit flashier neon coloration like your sister ho's on the other end of the block. Much better than the bloody red hands garb you cloak yourself with. Loin cloth or no loin cloth, the indigeonous people don't deserve to be force fed your preservativas and educacao.

Simpleton just became Complicatedton. Your ego is like a huge pendulum attached to a miniature clock. Your head is really getting too big for your toupee.

Excuse me Complicatedton, I think you are mistaking me for someone who gives a damn. The only difference between you and a bucket of s.h.i.t. is the bucket!

Costinha

You think I think you are someone who gives a damn Costa? So sorry, I certainly didn't intend to give you such an impression by any means. Clearly that would be untrue. Listen carefully, I think that's your mother yelling for you to get the hell out of her house and go play in the street. Squish squish.

Now, what you just said really hurts....

My deepest regards to you (...o...) Pooooooooof. Do you get the hot drift?

Costinha

So you´re saying that everything on the internet is true?

...

I told you to stop before you embarrassed yourself again, and there you are, making a complete ass of yourself.

The information in the websites can be verified. Now how this translates to "everything on the internet is true" is a mistery to me. Perhaps you have reading problems.

You are very creative! Hahaha

No abe, gringo doesn't have reading problems. He captured the thread of what you conveyed fairly accurately. Perhaps you have a language problem and don't recognize what you wrote wasn't what you really meant to convey? Logic and substantiation arguments have never been your forte either. If anything you might say gringo is just skateing on thin ice. In a week or less it will have finally thawed in his neck of the north woods (and his brain will theoretically thaw out shortly thereafter - HA!). Better send him a case of cachaca if you want him to start interpreting you your way and believe in the smoke signals you give off.

Cu-sta, Wow, dia 4 de Julho - what a grand fireworks display, struck a match and your drift produced this gigantic blue flame. Eu adoro vc~.~

I'm glad you two ladies continue to work tag team and highlight your manners and erudition without shame. Nothing helps Brazil shed its "Banana Republic" stereotype better than Costinha's cultured colour commentary to Abe's scholarly play by play. If Ch.c ever writes a book, I expect you two fine outstanding Brazilian citizens to pose for the cover. mmmk Costinha, that might make hiding your true gringo identity a bit of a problem.

The information in the websites can be verified. Now how this translates to "everything on the internet is true" is a mistery to me. Perhaps you have reading problems.

That's the sound of a vira lata yelping down the road in frustration with the its tail between its legs.

He is the type of guy who buys his wife a floor jack for Christmas.

Gringão… I know you are very lonely up there on the vast frozen Canadian prairies… However, you should never drink on an empty head. Poor guy, he paid to have his family tree searched to found out he was the sap.

Hehehe

Costinha

PS: Simpleton, I like you, but I wouldn't want to see you working with sub-atomic particles.

You know, Shelly, the one married to that gay english dudette!

Joao da Silva: "An interesting point "Gringo" put forth. When you wrote the last article, I was questioning in my mind if with all these Xenophobia going around, if the Chinese would go overboard to come and invest in Brasil. It is a coincidence that "Gringo" comes out with the same question. Would appreciate your views."

*****

Reply:

My next article is ready for publication, and probably it will be published early next week on Brazzil magazine.

My article will answer your question.

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My next article is ready for publication, and probably it will be published early next week on Brazzil magazine.

Hope it is published in this site and not www.brazzilmag.com.

Costa, do you find me to be a bit to quarky to be working in nuclear physics?

Nothing on Shelly. No recent news on the dancer either. Hopefully her and her young one made it back down to be with family.

I am still here, how are you? I am so busy, working on several conservation projects and hardly have time to post here.

I went to the Bahamas and DR, I will return next year.

How are you, honey?

Agora a senhorita ta dando o cu nas Bahamas e Republica Dominicana. Poor Shelly, obviously too much woman for that prick rotten-teeth english VIADO!

I am here, for you, Shelly the Belly.


Kissies on them tities...

Costinha

These are special people we must halt all logging and protect them.

We must protect them from these evil loggong companies.
And get rid of the negative western thought of looking down on theses people.