Brazzil

SURE...so is the MERCOSUR !!!!

End result : total disaster....with the highest overall average inflation rate on earth.... since the Mercorsur inception !

The New Trade Bloc...should be named...UNSURE !!

The Unasur has been born dead.

Brazil already has 200 million people and it is twice the size of the European Union.

Brazil has a major problem in trying to educate its own population, never mind having to educate also an extra 150 million people from the other South American countries.

It does not make sense for Brazil to be part of the Unasur, and some of the benefits related from Unasur are already being accomplished with Mercosur.

Brazil has enough problems of its own and Brazil does not need to add to it the trouble that comes attached to the other countries of South America.

The freshwater reserve that you mentioned on your article is mostly located in Brazil, the largest part of the Amazon jungle is also part of Brazil. Brazil also has been finding a lot of oil and gas in Brazil.

It seems to me the other countries in South America want a free ride regarding the resources of Brazil – When we think in terms of cost benefit analysis I can’t see what Brazil has to gain from that South American Union in comparison with what is going to cost Brazil.

Who wants to unite Brazil with a bunch of countries with all kinds of social problems?

Only fools would do such a thing.

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The original title of this article in Spanish was: "Unasur y el desafío de sentirse sudamericano" which translates to “Unasur and the challenge of being a South American”.

But Eliot Brockner translated the title as “It’s Tough to be South American and Brazil Knows it.”

His translation of the title it was very poor and it does not make sense.

Why Brazil knows it?

What is he trying to say?

Compared to what?
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Brasil needs to unify with ANgola and Mozambique to make Portugal happy.
Portuguese empire: the empire of poor.

most all countries in SA have oil and gas brasil does not hold the tap on this .

most all countries have plenty of water brasil has its own

most all SA countries have many natural resorces as brasil does .

what all are lacking is good postive leadreship .
good education for all peoples
laws to be fallowed by all people , most of all thoes in charge .

and just do what is right
remember thoes wrist bands that said
WHAT WOULD JESUS DO

ON THE BACK SIDE OF MINE
it read punish the guilty
no matter what

It is one thing to create an Union with countries such as Germany, France, Holland, Belgium, and so forth...

It is another thing to create an Union of the need - Bolivia, Colombia, Ecuador, Peru, Paraguay, and so forth...Even Argentina is in blink of going broke again.

Freshwater a major resource of the 21st century - Brazil is number one in that area by far. Only Argentina and Paraguay are also in good shape in that area relative to the size of their countries.

When you are thinking of starting a new business you don't run to the welfare office to see if you can get a bunch of very poor people to be your partners. You try to associate yourself with the people who has the capital and the know how and then you might have a chance to make it and
have prosperity.

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When you are thinking of starting a new business you don't run to the welfare office to see if you can get a bunch of very poor people to be your partners. You try to associate yourself with the people who has the capital and the know how and then you might have a chance to make it and
have prosperity.

Very interesting analogy, Ricardo. My point is we seem to shirk away from people with "capital and know how" and love to play the role of a "big brother" to the welfare cases and feel good about it!!

The Unasur has been born dead.

Haven´t we all been saying it for the past few weeks? I have a feeling that Chile and Columbia will go their own ways!

and none of them have a over abundance of water ,
but they do have ocean front , and have built water plants
to water there peoples so no need to go there about not having fresh water .

yes columbia will go its own way it all ways has and will do so
as they have seen the workings of a law in government and with there president
sending booth gennrals , politicians , police and drug king pins for just breaking the
law it will try to seprate its self from the governments that dont obay the law .
why dig yourself out of the mud just to dive back in head first !!!

Chile well poor chile the bastard step children of south amercia
first president from scotland i think than wars over land water
if the new woman can keep her eye on the right it will come out
on top of the west coast SA , and with all the oil to be found in the north

while lula plays touchie fealey with the likes of chaves , castro , and thoes that are far worst presidents than he if thats possible .
he should put brasil on the path to a true oneness .
make the rule of law a fact of law . not a if so facto rule
make the congress work on a true rule of corurption putting people in jail or making them pay a big fine or go the jail and leave public life for good .
take the police all police to task put them under a written contract to do no harm to take no guifts or bribes , or go to jail .

in other words TAKE OUT THE TRASH THAT KILLS ALL GOVERNMENTS

and RA brasil does have water but most of it is not fit to bathe in much less drink
i have done water samples from north to south and the amounts of fecail colform in the waters of brasil is 20 years of hard work away from pure .
and that estmate is if all were done right

first president from scotland i think

I don't think that their first President was Scottish. Their armed forces were had heavy influence of the Irish (O´Higgins-army) and the English (Cochrane- Navy). If I recall correctly, this fella Cochrane was also some big wig in Maranhão. Chile is an interesting country and the "new woman" is a pediatrician who at east knows to read and write!!!. I don't know if you have been to the Southern part of Chile, but that part is just beautiful and gorgeous. We loved the capital city of Santiago also.

You can also add?

England= british guyana, & india, etc.
France= algeria, french guyana, etc.
Spain= remaining south america, etc.
Dutch= South Africa, Suriname, etc.

The above also feared very well under the different empires, i suggest you adopt one of them you pathetic fool, you must be brazilian w/a pea size brain, what else is ther to expect.

been there the food is very good even on the streets
gets a bit cold for my likings . is a up and coming country .

would like too buy about 200 hectors up north on the beach and make a
nice hotel beach resort for people from .
the east
have you ever been to ecudor and had there grilled sea bass with
the grilled salad and mango chunty dressing over all

heading to bora bora this week

gets a bit cold for my likings .

That is because of the Von Humboldt current.

would like too buy about 200 hectors up north on the beach and make a
nice hotel beach resort for people from .

That is an excellent idea. If you have money, why not?

Never been to Ecuador and I did not know that they grow mangoes there.
How far are you from Bora Bora? safe sailing.

I might entertain taking up "sqwatter's" rights over the parcel forrest has in mind. Doubt the unasur's could over take me before SA rule of law would be effectively estabilished.

I might entertain taking up "sqwatter's" rights over the parcel forrest has in mind.

You have to set focus and id priorities, Simpleton. The first in your list should be Ch.c´s pivotally irrigated farm. You can count me in to take up this "cause". We just Squat there and demand that he serves some cold ones to display his infamous Swiss hospitality, before we submit our unreasonable demands.

Where is he, in Morocco?

yes and several other fruits along the southern coast i did not think they would have

should be a safe trip weather fair and far enough from the quake not to have any large waves sneak up on us .

how is the winter going there to bad you cant set out of friday nights with your friends and have a few ,

so how are the working girls doing only the gringoes ????
and have the resturants on the beach taken a big hit also

If you are willing to settle for 30-34, slim, a bit demure but not unattractive and attentive vs 20 wild, as I understand it, if you can manage a little bit of patience, it's back down under 50 local for doing anything / everything and you don't have to pay for the clube or drinks either. Number of resturant owners we know have either had to close up shop or were forced to sell out. Quite sad on all fronts.

We are having mild winter this year (so far). Yeah, too bad about Friday evenings. But I changed my habits a bit to avoid any hassle. Sitting at home and having cold ones costs less also! Hear that the the restaurants have been affected with a drop in the revenue, though I don't know how far it is true.

I don't think that the "working girls" would be much affected by this new law, as they will just stick to "room service"!

are past more often than thoes that hurt the rich ones

was told that was not inforce in the out of the way towns

but all the beach hang outs and gringo bars are taking a hit

LAWS THAT HURT THE LITTLE MAN

I think that Squid´s entire electoral base is hurt! I just want to sit tight, sip my cold ones at home and watch the drama unfolding during the next few months!!!

The objectives are laudable. Nevertheless, there are more than a few difficulties in creating Unasur. Some of these difficulties include the weight of ideological alliances and placing geopolitical national projects over regional interests.

Ariela, you forgot to mention about the basic issue in SA, CORRUPTION! SA is unfortunately run by a bunch of bang-bang bandidos, running loose in Malboro's land.

Get a grip, Brazil needs to clean its own house before it can help others.

Well...what is the advantage to Brazil?

The advantage is that Brazil will become a global potence soon and Unasur will become it's area of influence and hegemony, like a nice garden where you sell your high tech products, buy primary products and lend money so you can make the garden totally dependent on you...

You call my President “Squid.” Fine, but Lula gets much more sincere respect from other heads of state then your Chimp, the good’ol boy redneck terrorist that you have as your president.

Shame on America, shame on Americans for electing twice, that dumb idiot Bush who represents the biggest threat to world peace.

You blow your horn, while we play the symphony.

Costinha

costa

the real act of a president takes years too see in the US any one can hate him and you are working off the news you get not the news the world gets .

at least when bush goes to a state dinner they dont have to lock up the silver ware and the liqure cabnet

look at it this way bush did tell every one if electid the war on teroits would be taken theo them .

under cliton the US was atticed 9 times in different places in the world , and only once did cliton act with force ,
he gave the same caned speah they will be hunted down and we will
talk to them than try to hold them responsable .

cant wate another 10 years when the muslims take hold in brasil and try to change your life style by blowing up your people and buildings .

JUST ROLL OVER COSTA IT IS COMMING

as your goverment is in bed with them now .

just look at china already killing 20 terrouits and 19 in jail before the games start

Sorry, but I don’t understand what you are saying. I don’t speak dyslexic!

Maybe if you farted, you would make more sense.

Costinha

While considering the lofty goals of Unasur as remarkable and worthwhile, I fear it is, unfortunately, rather unlikely that it may have a real, realistic chance to be successfully translated into an actual Political Entity containing tangible policies, substantial funding, corruption-free Executive, and multi-national Popular Support (which was correctly recognized above, by the original author, as the single most important pre-requisite for its successful implementation).

In addition, in order for any significant multi-national entity to succeed, the underlying components of its leaders’ agendas (actual, official and perceived) would require so significant a consensus – involving not only cultural and economic matters, but also military and political issues – that Unasur is likely to be condemned to failure from inception, by the very nature its wide gamut of member-nations (not to mention the potential danger of it being used as a forum for disagreeable political propaganda by some of its questionable constituents).

While the European Union example demonstrates that cultural & economic differences, with careful consideration, can be successfully overcome, the Military and particularly the Political differences within the group are too wide, not to mention the member nations’ distinct levels of socio-economic development. In order to illustrate this point, I emphasize the ill-advised decision to include certain potentially troublesome nations (Venezuela, Bolivia, Nicaragua, and Ecuador) as they contain some dangerous aspects, which are likely to remain omni-present, looming over the nascent organization’s horizon, likely to condemn Unasur to the dusty pages of History… Because this group, led by Caracas, has such a strong anti-Western and Neo-Marxist inclination, along with the possibility of concealed “Bolivarian” quasi-revolutionary intentions (in view of the unappealing rhetoric from some recent Latin American gatherings), that it may be bound to cause countries such as Mexico, Peru, Paraguay, Costa Rica, and Panama uncomfortable – sooner or later… In fact, even many important individuals within the moderate “left-wing” governments of Brazil and Chile seem also to be rather weary of the “true intentions” from Caracas… Indeed, I trust that the inclusion of the “Chavez League” (as I informally classify the group) to be the underlying reason for Mr. Uribe’s refusal to permit Colombia to formally join Unasur. This is also the reason why such an organization is not likely to have a “favorable” audience in Washington, a factor which, when proud nationalistic sensitivities are realistically put aside, must also be seriously taken into account.

Furthermore, because the gap in levels of economic development of its many members nations is so wide, I also fear that most issues would require cumbersome, preferential, and unrealistic considerations, which would most likely trigger disputes based on real or perceived favoritism, thereby resulting in ineffective acts, not to mention the peril of inaction.
Hopefully, my views are exaggerated, and the fairy tale created in Brasilia will not become another “toothless polity” (such as the laughable African Union).

More realistically, Brasilia should have considered a smaller, semi-regional Pact which would have included only like-minded, friendly, and civilized nations with compatible economies (Argentina, Brazil, Chile, Colombia, Uruguay, Paraguay, Peru, and “perhaps” also Panama and Costa Rica – NOTE: I would also have included Mexico - as another ideal participant - but I’m not sure whether existing “contractual impediments” would allow Mexico to join any other group – I’m referring to NAFTA).

One may only hope that my fears and objections have been over-estimated and that “all is well in the South-Western Front…
Yet, I also wish I could believe in Santa Claus & the Tooth Fairy…

Johan
... and the problem with your interesting statement being....??? LOL
That's precisely what some Major Natios - such as France, England, and the US - have done during the past 350 years...
Seriously now - - I am certain that there isn't any residual colonial and certainly no oppressive intention behind the current Brazilian stance.

While it may be true that Brazil may be lately affected by a certain hunger for "prominence" in the World Stage, I believe that Brasilia truly and sincerely aspires to graduate into some sort of "Advocate for the Third World Underdog”, while at the same time behaving like an needy Adolescent who requires reassurance, recognition and approval from its parents (in this case the "G-8 Tutors")... Even in that point, I do not any harm intended...

Unrealistic Expectations in Brasilia, by Augustus Severus

Please do accept my congrats for the thought provoking and stimulating comments you made, sir. Your comments are coherent with that of mine.

While considering the lofty goals of Unasur as remarkable and worthwhile, I fear it is, unfortunately, rather unlikely that it may have a real, realistic chance to be successfully translated into an actual Political Entity containing tangible policies, substantial funding, corruption-free Executive, and multi-national Popular Support (which was correctly recognized above, by the original author, as the single most important pre-requisite for its successful implementation)

You are absolutely right and you and I belong to the minority. Look what is happening in Argentina. I was also chagrined to hear what is happening in Geneva with regards Doha round of talks, in case you are keeping track of the news.

Esteemed Double-DOT
I'm delighted to find that we are in agreement regarding some of the remarkable political developments taking place in South America. Quite frankly, I’m astounded not only due to the expressed concerns expressed, but also amused by the “overall” assertive attempt to reach maturity, which Brazil has been displaying recently, along with astounding economic stability. Frankly (again), I never thought I would see the day…
I also concur with the last, passing remark regarding the Doha round. Interestingly, "the Geneva connection" also brings to mind some recent "unsavory exchanges" with some disagreement "elements" elsewhere...
Concluding this entry, I would like to express my curiosity about your "overall views" vis-à-vis some of the last concerns I felt compelled to express at some of the middle & lower sections of my first entry here... Hopefully, dear Sir, you will find yourself in a position to oblige and comply with my request...

Regards,
Augustus Severus