Brazzil

"Feeling hopeless and happy at the same time is not a contradiction"
- Brazil is not ranked well for the happiness ot its society. Sorry for you

- On discrimination " It certainly does exist, but, different from other countries, it is almost exclusively based on a fear of violence and crime. It is not fueled by fear of cultural, racial, religious, etc. blending or contamination, as it is in many places in the world."

- A Fairy Tale. Even polls made in Brazil admits their is high racism and discrimination.
I bet the author of the article is white skinned.
No Brazilian black skinned could agree.

What a shame....what a shame !

Same for corruption.....Brazil is a shame to humanity.....if you refer to today article in this site stating that the Surpreme Court of INjustice doesnt care about the KNOWN corrupted politicians candidate for the next elections.

A gente num eh perfeito mais tem muita coisa boa, sim sinhô
Braziu, terra boua

LOOK WHAT THE BRASILIAN SURPREAM COURT SAID .
TALKING ABOUT SENDING A BIG KISS MY (.) TO THE PEOPLE

For any society to truly succeed and be prosperous there has to be a place for INTOLERANCE of corruption.You must politically at least "pretend" to have some moral fortitude.
Tolerance ungoverned,coupled with apathy at large will continue to bring disastorous consequences.
It is articles like these that some people want to believe that keep the crap wheel rolling.

i cant agree with that point. there is racial discrimination in brasil.there is cultural discrimination.

also, brasil is a huge country. there are a lot of differant opinions and points of veiw.

i think in genreal, brasiians are like anyone else, they hate crime and feel helpless against the situation . like everywhere else , there is corruption. it is fueled by a huge gap between rich and poor , that pours oil on the flames for oportunists. and, they exist in every society everywhere.

what makes brasiians unique is the way that they are in "the pusuit of happiness". that is something that translates differantly than other cultures.

Like what?

"What makes brasiians unique is the way that they are in "the pursuit of happiness", that is somethin that translates differantly than other cultures."

What a bunch of "crock".

the bane is the people who know it is wrong and cannot get enough people
to help them change the system .
as it is in most countries .

the blessing is to those in power and with money whom can control
the uneducated mass to do there bidding for little or nothing .

it is this action that brings on the fall of all democratic socitys through out history
and they still have not learned the lesson .

yes slavery gets things done .
at the end the task masters are killed

Is it true, then, that tolerance is a bad thing? In Brazil? Anywhere? Is tolerance really the cause of these problems? Tolerance can be a negative thing, sure, but only when it goes beyond understanding and sympathy, and becomes apathy.

Tolerance? Wouldn't call it that, would call it the feeling of "hopelessness". Brazilians have witnessed the impunity that exists on a systematic basis for so long, for generations, that they have no faith in change. And who can blame them?

I certainly wouldn't call the country that has the 5th highest incident of murder a "tolerant" society.

What murder has to do with tolerance?

crock ? so, you must be one of these american people on here who hate the americans who love brazil.and, then there is the brazilian people on here who hate americans.....

if you dont know what is so special, you never will, and , i could care less if you never do.

its personal preferance , in my case. that is all i have to say , because im not going to waste my breath telling you how profound the culture is ( you know, the culture that the brazilian guy on here hates and thinks doesnt represent the real brazil, culture like sambao, maracatu, coco, axe, bloco afro, pagode etc). and, to the brazilians who hate americans, and , want them to leave...only police federal has the right to order me to leave...i could care less what you think

actualy there are a few insecure loosers on this forum on both sides that can kiss my crock

The only looser seems to be you onthis forum, you sound like a young, naive pathetic geek who never got laid & you get impressed by dances & call it culture, i pity you. Stay there, just make sure when you leave you don't bring any of them with you, we have plenty here, i wish our federal police would round all of them up & send them back to what you call that unique culture & keep them there.

do you realise what a creep you are ? you sound like a racist low life pond scum .you cant tell me doo doo, because you smell like it .

atitudes like yours belong in the middle ages.

yeah, those dances and rythms are high art. they are as impressive as the bolshoi ballet. they have genius dripping from it. they are high aceivements in the history of mankind ( oh hell yeah, sambao is a serious contribution to high art in the world ). they are healing forces. if you want to be blind to that go stick your ugly head deeper in the sand.

what ever you think culture is , would bore me to death. why dont you go releve yourself and you will feel better....

High art to who, embacil's like you?
Comparing dances & rythms to the Bolshoi Ballet, what a laugh, tell me when have these so claled geniuses been to Carnegie Hall, The Olympia, etc. just to name a few.
Keep those high achievements to mankind as you call them, i don't see how it has benefited mankind at all nor brazil, other than you.
You are a joke, LOL, LOL.

PA,

Not only does Brazilian culture visits the US, but also visits Europe-Many, many artists visit European countries BEFORE they set foot in America.

As I have lived in many different continents, and sorry to boast, but considered myself much more cultured and educated than you, the Barbican in London has seen Afro-culture events from Brasil. Between Carnigie Hall and the Barbican, you bet that I would rather go to London than NY. However, both places are prestigious and if you do a google search you will see that NY has many Brazilian events. Maybe you need to get out of your redneck neighborhood and get a little, oh well, more cultured?

Just for your entertainment:

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EIN/is_2001_Oct_16/ai_79172617

By the way imbecile PA, I say Gilberto Gil in NY!!!

PA,

Another link for you: http://www.carnegiehall.org/ar...e=03202007

Tolerance: a fair, objective, and permissible attitude toward persons, opinions, and practices, which differ from your own, is not a problem. It actually is a very important element that holds together the social fabric in Brazil.

Tolerate: " Latin toleratus, past participle of tolerare to endure, put up with; akin to Old English tholian to bear, Latin tollere to lift up, latus carried (suppletive past participle of ferre), Greek tlēnai to bear
Date: 1524
1: to endure or resist the action of (as a drug or food) without serious side effects or discomfort : exhibit physiological tolerance for2 a: to allow to be or to be done without prohibition, hindrance, or contradiction b: to put up with

Tolerance and acceptance are both different words, not to be confused Ezra (author). To tolerate is by no means that we accept someone from other race or social level. You put up with because you don't have a choice. When we truly accept the other as they come, in all shades of color, than there is no need to tolerate. In Brazil, people discriminate based on social status, just like anywhere else you go. However, discrimination in Brazil is not "in your face" like in America or Europe. It is a sensitive issue, not everyone wants to talk about, which is detrimental to the whole process. At least in the US we talk about, July 23, 2008, CNN will host a program "Black in America". Do we see anything like that in Brazil? NO!

Brazilians, especially the poor have been left out of the political process-for obvious reasons. As long as we have samba, football, and carnaval (pao e circo), Brazil will continue to drag itself and never become a great nation. We need to educate, everyone, give people a sense of ownership and install civic responsibility, then we'll change.

Don't give a man a fish. Teach him how to fish instead.

written by Shelly1, July 07, 2008



Brazilians, especially the poor have been left out of the political process-for obvious reasons. As long as we have samba, football, and carnaval (pao e circo), Brazil will continue to drag itself and never become a great nation. We need to educate, everyone, give people a sense of ownership and install civic responsibility, then we'll change.

Are you suggesting that the poor in Brazil did not vote and were not significantly responsible for electing President Lula but that it was the rich and or middle-class in Brazil that elected him?

You are aware only roughly 30% of the voting age U.S. citizens voted President Bush into office? The United States has American football, other sports, and a media enterprise that far out surpasses what ever media dominance you believe Brazil to have. Hollywood movies are one of the great exports of the United States. Carnaval? You think Brazil is the only nation on earth that has annual festivals? New Orleans parties every year too. Actually, just about every major city has some sort of annual celebration they prepare for year round.

Lets not distort as you are doing & are acustomed to do on this forum, i am very well aware of the links you supplied above, not only about brazil, but also about other countries that NY promotes all the time.
I was specifically referring to the "sambao" & "high achievements of mankind" as ASP stated above. and not referring to your other artists & as E-harmony puts above, these things are not unique to brazil as you & ASP would like us to believe.
I know your a travelled woman as you ahve said many times, but i also travel & believe me that for a brazilian like you you shouldn't even talk about culture, your country lacks it even though you may believe you have a semblance of it.

"You put up with because you don't have a choice"

I truely hope that was something said by someone you were not directly quoting and not something you have over your life's experiences somehow have had to integrate into your own view, outlook and conduct.

As to the culture or semblance thereof, I think it difficult for PA et. al. to look past the feathers, flagrancies, bouncing body parts, to actually have engulfed themselves amongst the gente and realize something deeper and dearer exists on an unstated and unvocalized social level that the beating throbbing mass gatherings at this festa or that festa doesn't explain away. That or their exposure was limited to the struggling middle class who have developed some less than desireable means to try just to stay where they are at.

Are you suggesting that the poor in Brazil did not vote and were not significantly responsible for electing President Lula but that it was the rich and or middle-class in Brazil that elected him?

When people voted for Lula, they thought they were voting for change (does that sound familiar?). Unfortunately, you are comparing American electorate with Brazilian, totally different circumstances. First of all, we have politicians in Brazil that give bolsa familia (stimulus check? Should I compare that to bolsa familia?) to the poor and promise that things will change for them. Again, Lula did the same with bolsa familia, he is buying votes and he has done for the second term. I have seen during my childhood years, politicians visit favelas, give a pound of sugar, a liter of oil, pasta, beans, rice get elected and never appear again. I have seen this have you seen similar situation in America?

I am going to upset a few people here (I don't give a dam), but I think that the Brazilian electorate is not well educated, less so than the Americans.

We have in our country an economic divide, educational divide that hinders people with the capacity to see beyond the surface.

Ignorance exists in both countries, America and Brazil has uneducated voters. Just because you can vote, it doesn't mean that you know how to. How many people actually do take time to look into Obama's and McCain's economic plan in detail? How many look deep into the issue of off-shore drilling and developing alternative energy? How many people look into what it means when McCain tells the public that government spending has grown out of proportion, and does he mean that jobs will be lost?

Now, compare that to Brazil, how many people in my country are interested in current environmental issues, ocean pollution, depletion of fish stock? Education? Equal rights? In Brazil, some kinds of entertainment is used to brainwash people, you know carnaval is how long, at the end of the week you forget about the economic problems...

I have seen British and American contractors stay in Brazil for over 2 years because the government agency had the "casual" work ethic, come in to work at 9:30 AM, leave at 12:OO PM for lunch, come back at 2:00 PM from lunch, and leave at 4:00 PM to go to home. My husband was one of those contractors that went there for 6 weeks and lived in Brazil for over 2 years! Try to do this where I work, next time you are on a one-way ticket!

"You put up with because you don't have a choice"

I truely hope that was something said by someone you were not directly quoting and not something you have over your life's experiences somehow have had to integrate into your own view, outlook and conduct.

Nope, I don't think that way. I think she used the word tolerate, and I meant to explain that the word tolerate is not appropriate for the issue. When you tolerate other races, it means that you have to put up with it, because you don't have a choice. I prefer the word acceptance over toleration. Only racist tolerate others, not me.

don't use tolerate because I think it distorts the issue.

I am in no means a discriminatory person, I feel that Brazil has many race issues and we don't talk about it. People have this idea that we are "accepting of all races", but never has race been discussed in public like it is here.

I know your a travelled woman as you ahve said many times, but i also travel & believe me that for a Brazilian like you you shouldn't even talk about culture, your country lacks it even though you may believe you have a semblance of it.

No, I know I am educated and have culture, I have embraced my Brazilian, Dutch, British and my new adopted country, American culture. I have culture, not because it was given to me, but because I took time to learn about the world around me. To have culture, you need to immerse yourself and get out of your comfort zone.

You lack finesse in your argument. Sambao is culture, it came from afro-culture, which you seem to have forgotten. It is also a form of self-expression, a way that the poor had ( and still have) to complain about their strugles and make their voices heard by the masses. You need to learn a little bit of history and learn how to pinpoint Africa on the map before arguing with you fellow citizen (who has embraced another culture, hats off!).

In Brazil, one can go to Parati and see true colonial, from the late 1500's and see exceptional colonial architecture. Before you barf, travel a little around towns like Ouro Preto, Olinda, Recife, Parana, the Old Missions, Rio Grande do Sul, Santa Catarina, etc..

You are so anti-Brazilian, why don't you find another place to post your flat, nonsense, jarb? By the way, do yourself a favor and by a book by Eugene C. Harter and learn about American immigration to Brazil. We have accommodated people from all nations.

Did you know that during the Civil War, during and after the defeat of the South, we Brazilians accepted many American immigrants? They had nothing, their passports were taken in Texas at the Galveston port and no money. A true refugee! Look for Santa Barbara, Santarem and other cities in Brazil and see who where the founding members of the city? How many Americans we took in Brazil, the numbers are in the hundreds of thousand!

Go and read a book by Eugene C. Harter "The lost colony of the Confederacy". You don't teach history in this country, not one history teacher (apart from a GMU professor)knew about this interesting piece of American history.

AP, when it comes to class, Americans are usually seen as loud and obnoxious, not only in Brazil, but all over the world! Brazilians at least don't have that dark cloud hanging over their heads! However, I have met wonderful Americans, here and in Brazil. You seem to be the one in a thousand.

see link

"A faint sound of Dixie"

http://mason.gmu.edu/~jhoskins/splashpage.html

sambao is high art.there is no deeper form of expresion than the bateria and passistas.who are you to judge what can be classified as high art ? do you think any one in the bolshoi can dance some samba steps? they would fall flat footed on their faces. its one of the most dificult dances anywhere.

you have no right to dictate what is superior high art and what is not. most anyone in the world knows what samba is.it is an internationaly recognised art form.

i dont embrace european judgement of what art is suposed to be.thank god, because i have discovered treasure in brazil. it is extremly rich in afro brazilian culture that gives us many living photographs of the culture and how it developed since slaves were brought over from africa. things like maracatu, which is 300 years old, rich in groove, dance and costumes.things like coco , samba da roda,tambor da criola , jongo , frevo etc, all have incredible history and emotion packed into their presentaions.

reseaching and understanding afro brazilian culture has made me much more aware of culture in the united states. understanding how condomble mixed with catholic religous rites gives me insights into how the black church funtioned in america. they banned afro culture in noth america, so you cant find the roots of what happened back then. but, brazil is loaded with living photographs that are rich in history and insight to how culture developed and mixed with euro traditions in the americas, from slavery..

of course , im not sure if a racist idiot like you aprecietes afro american culture, the backbone of culture in the united states. you probably have a hard time acknowledging jazz, funk, rap,rhythm and blues etc as valid culture. if you do and still regect sambao, you just have a headache and your feet hurt...and, you are a racist idiot

written by Shelly1, July 07, 2008


When people voted for Lula, they thought they were voting for change (does that sound familiar?). Unfortunately, you are comparing American electorate with Brazilian, totally different circumstances. First of all, we have politicians in Brazil that give bolsa familia (stimulus check? Should I compare that to bolsa familia?) to the poor and promise that things will change for them. Again, Lula did the same with bolsa familia, he is buying votes and he has done for the second term. I have seen during my childhood years, politicians visit favelas, give a pound of sugar, a liter of oil, pasta, beans, rice get elected and never appear again. I have seen this have you seen similar situation in America?

That is such bullsh*t.

The Bolsa Familia Program is a cash-transfer program and has been going on for ages in the United States and Europe. Cash-transfer programs come in a variety of forms from unemployment compensation to social security benefits for the elderly. The AFDC (Aid to Families With Dependent Children) program better known as "welfare" was a big cash-transfer program in the United States until President Bill Clinton stamped it out for the new TANF (Temporary Assistance to Needy Families) program. AFDC never required children stay in school like the Bolsa Familia Program does. The Bolsa Familia Program requires action with in the family and develops what economists would call human capital (the sum of experience, education, and talent). And unlike AFDC the Bolsa Familia targets not only those who need it but the most needy in Brazilian society. Bolsa Familia has gained such international accolades that other nations around the world are considering modeling it and even New York City is considering modeling it.

TANF in the city of Milwaukee has evolved into W2. It's a completely jacked up an inefficient system, outsourced to the private sector, that in one particular year drew in roughly $290 million of which, only roughly $90 million went towards the actual welfare clients. Almost every executive head of one of these contracted private firms gave themselves a *big* fat raise even though their obligations toward their clients (poor mothers) were piss poor.

That President Lula looks out for the interests of his constituency, which out of voting age people in Brazil amounts to a significantly large portion of poor people, amounts to democracy and not the "buying of votes." Otherwise you would have to say every vote in the United States is and has always been bought, from corporate lobbiests to the rich demanding tax cuts and loopholes, to the elderly whom many of which would be living in abject poverty if it weren't for their monthly social security checks.

That President Lula looks out for the interests of his constituency, which out of voting age people in Brazil amounts to a significantly large portion of poor people, amounts to democracy and not the "buying of votes."

Well said. He is the true leader of the "Free World".

Last January my flight from Maceió to Rio landed but I still had enough time to connect with a bus at the rodoviaria for Minas. Alas! It took 40 minutes for someone to transfer the baggage from the plane to the passengers. There were 200 Brasilians standing patiently waiting while absolutely nothing was being done to transfer the luggage! I blew my stack (amazing how fluent my portuguese can become when I am angry!) and gave the pilots, and hostesses a serve. They simply shrugged their shoulders and said that they, too were waiting for their luggage. I missed my connection and arrived at my destination a day late. The tolerance and acceptance of incompetence is a blight on the progress of Brasil. Organised westerners are looked upon as stressed-out idiots in these situations. "Calma, gringo! Ninguém Brasileiras sofre com atacar de coracao aqui! - somente gringos". My love/hate relationship with Brasil was confirmed by this laid-back attitude.

That President Lula looks out for the interests of his constituency, which out of voting age people in Brazil amounts to a significantly large portion of poor people, amounts to democracy and not the "buying of votes.

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What a bunch of hogwash!!!

First of all, democracy in Brazil is in its infancy. Do you think I have the right not to vote? I am OBLIGATED under the law to vote, if I don't, I pay fines and cannot re-new my passport to visit my country. Therefore, if you think we are way behind. Forcing people to vote and BUYING vote with money is a way politicians in Brazil have done and continue to do so in poorer cities.

I have seen what election time in Brazil and the promises. Bolsa familia helps, but it needs to provide education not only to the children, but also to the parents. Do you think working in the sugar fields will break the cycle of poverty in Brazil?

By the way, who does the accountability to check to see if the kids are in school? As you may be aware, Brazilian children are less likely to attend school in the cities, some small cities do better than others, overall the attendance is poor. I have posted links here to prove exactly what I have said...Bolsa familia is a way to buy votes!

I am very aware of welfare programs here in the US and in Europe. Once you in, it is hard to get out.

E harmony,

buying of votes." Otherwise you would have to say every vote in the United States is and has always been bought, from corporate lobbiests to the rich demanding tax cuts and loopholes, to the elderly whom many of which would be living in abject poverty if it weren't for their monthly social security checks

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err, excuse me sir, don't you think the corporate America elected Bush? How much did Exxon Mobil gave to the Bush Adm? What about Cheney's company, who is/was benefiting from Bush being in office? Exxon Mobil paid 14.7 million dollars for the Bush campaign!!! Call that a donation or whatever you want, in the end the intention speak for itself. Here-and everywhere else, the candidate who has most funds has a greater advantage. Who elected Bush? Everyday Americans, who thought their country was going to continue on a path of growth, voted for Bush only to see the demise of this country.

Clinton left the treasury with a surplus, now my kids will pay for this stupid war! All for oil, and for what? Be aware that the economic divide is growing at a rapid rate, more Americans live from pay check-to-pay check, cannot afford health care, jobs are going to Asia, and confidence is low! (my best friend declined a volleyball game because he doesn't have insurance and cannot afford to get injured, WTF?).

Katrina victims are still waiting for help-CNN did a great report on this one. Government surplus agency took the donations and distributed to other agencies and state prisons, while the people who need the most got the middle finger. The trailer used for the victims are TOXIC.

Bush is in office because BIG CORPORATE/OIL AMERICA put him there.

Well said, we all should just learn how to appreciate American and Brazilian culture, both rich, diverse and important to the world. Jazz in Rio has inspired many Bossa Nova musicians, in Rio there is a bar that you can listen to live bands-it is amazing!

AP
written by Shelly1, July 07, 2008
I know your a travelled woman as you ahve said many times, but i also travel & believe me that for a Brazilian like you you shouldn't even talk about culture, your country lacks it even though you may believe you have a semblance of it.

No, I know I am educated and have culture, I have embraced my Brazilian, Dutch, British and my new adopted country, American culture.

-And so have i embraced my american culture.
I really don't care about your dutch,etc as you seem to hilite constantly as if your whiteness is or makes you better than anyone else. I see the dutch nothing more than a bunch fo liars as they are known throughout Europe, druggies & ho's (Ho-lland)get my point. And i didn't find this out by being in my comfort zone.

I have culture, not because it was given to me, but because I took time to learn about the world around me. To have culture, you need to immerse yourself and get out of your comfort zone.

-I have gotten out of my comfort zone many years ago-

You lack finesse in your argument. Sambao is culture, it came from afro-culture, which you seem to have forgotten. It is also a form of self-expression, a way that the poor had (and still have)to complain about their strugles and make their voices heard by the masses. You need to learn a little bit of history and learn how to pinpoint Africa on the map before arguing with you fellow citizen (who has embraced another culture, hats off!).

-I believe if anyone needs finesse it is you & this co called american which i highly doubt he is, you & ASP are the one's that started the name calling, not me, just because someone disagrees doesn't warrant name calling, does it?-
And as for pinpointing Africa on the map i certainly don't need for you to point that out to me, i know very well where it is, been there many times, south africa, nigeria, zaire, etc.
It seems that you only learned it on the map after you left brazil, obviously most students in brazil don't even know the color of their flag nor what it stands for,etc.-

AP, when it comes to class, Americans are usually seen as loud and obnoxious, not only in Brazil, but all over the world! Brazilians at least don't have that dark cloud hanging over their heads! However, I have met wonderful Americans, here and in Brazil. You seem to be the one in a thousand.-

-Obviously you never met me for you to pass such judgment, have you?
what a laugh brzuca's don't have a dark cloud over their head, right, they just have many more, they conduct themselves so well whereevr they are that noone even knows their around, LOL, LOL, LOL,
CH.C. is right "never trust a brazilian" or what they say & you fit that profile so well as thousands of brzilians.
Your so called people are the biggest JOKE that i have ever seen.

really don't care about your dutch,etc as you seem to hilite constantly as if your whiteness is or makes you better than anyone else. I see the dutch nothing more than a bunch fo liars as they are known throughout Europe, druggies & ho's (Ho-lland)get my point. And i didn't find this out by being in my comfort zone.

AP, go back to your hut in PA, and don't forget to change every so often your spit bucket!

There are more junkies in this country than in THE Netherlands. Go and do your own research. Colombia is the biggest producer of cocaine in the world, who is the biggest user?

pa, you are a real chump
written by asp, July 07, 2008
do you realise what a creep you are ? you sound like a racist low life pond scum .you cant tell me doo doo, because you smell like it .
atitudes like yours belong in the middle ages.
yeah, those dances and rythms are high art. they are as impressive as the bolshoi ballet. they have genius dripping from it. they are high aceivements in the history of mankind ( oh hell yeah, sambao is a serious contribution to high art in the world ). they are healing forces. if you want to be blind to that go stick your ugly head deeper in the sand.
what ever you think culture is , would bore me to death. why dont you go releve yourself and you will feel better....

--You are only proving to me & this forum that you tryly a pure embacil, words don't hurt me. Look at you just because i disagree with you classification of something, you come out spouting like a dog.
What you think i know is irrelevant to me. Calling me a racist, far from it, you're the racist & you wreak of it.
You don't even sound like an american, you're just trying to be like one, but your true "brazilian mal educa" came out right away showing your true colors, there ar eplenty of other things that have contributed to mankind, but i disagree with your assertion, plain & simple. So bark all youwant, tomorrow is anotehr day & you'll still be in your small little world as usual. What a pity.

you think you havent been insulting? you remind me of the idiots posting on the miami herald. south florida white men who cant handle the rich culture that cuba and other sotuh americans have brought there.

there is no discusion with you. you just throw out garbage, so, you deserve garbage back. and, as i throw it at you , im also talking about culture and history.

how can i explain to an idiot like you, what its like to be in recife , at an old church that was a sanctuary for run away slaves, and, watch a maracatu demonstration that is 300 years old with european court costumes and incredible syncopated rhythm and a beautiful dance? it sent chills up my spine. it moved me and marked me and inspired me. that is what high art and culture is suposed to do. put you in touch with your emotions, and, give you insights to yourself and reflections on the human condition.

but, there is no discusion with you about that. you make your ridiculas comments, and, think im going to swallow it ? think again....and, you started it by saying my statements were a crock....you and the other loosers on here who like to insult, you better bring it , because im going to drill you into the ground if you insult me

obviously most students in brazil don't even know the color of their flag nor what it stands for,etc.

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Are you talking about America here? For a first world country, America in terms of education is a shame compared to Europe!

A link for you to see: Some very basic knowledge. Talking about not knowing what your flag stands for!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJuNgBkloFE

Read about the article the just came out: The ugly American, you certainly fit into the stereotype perfectly! Your are obtuse remarks portrays your character.

It never takes long for the ugly American tourist to appear.

No, not the stereotypical elderly guy wearing shorts, black socks that seem to reach above his knees, and sandals.

I'm talking about the demon that appears whenever I'm out of the country. This time, it reared up before we had even left the United States.

Passengers had been aboard the Norwegian Sun cruise ship for an hour when I spotted a woman complaining to an employee that her luggage hadn't arrived at her room.

The ship was still tied to the pier. Her luggage was probably being X-rayed in the terminal.


But this woman wanted it — NOW.

She had only the jeans she was wearing, she complained, and certainly couldn't go to dinner dressed like that.

To a dinner that was at least four hours away.

"I expected better,'' she lectured the crew member, who did an admirable job of remaining positive and telling the woman she could call him later if her luggage didn't arrive before dinner.

I would have abandoned ship if I'd been in his uniform. Instead, he probably shared the story about the crazy American woman with the rest of the crew.

Why do so many Americans become morons when they go abroad?

It's embarrassing.

So, in the interest of improved foreign relations (and to ease my humiliation) here's a primer for avoiding Ugly American Syndrome when traveling to Canada, the Caribbean and all other points east, west, north and south.

Tip No. 1: Things will be different. You're not in Kansas anymore, Toto. Forget the comforts of home. I'm tired of hearing: "I will never go back to (insert name of country here)."

Each "here" is an adventure.

Avoiding a place like Dominica means missing out on stunning volcanic peaks engulfed by rainforests. A Pirates of the Caribbean movies was filmed there. It is one of the few places where the original residents of the Caribbean, the Carib Indians, can be found. The unspoiled island boasts 365 rivers, amazing waterfalls and a famous fruit stand where Mr. Nice gives away the fruit, but sells the jokes.

But many Americans see only a poor island with bad roads and dilapidated homes — a place without megaresorts, fancy restaurants and upscale shopping. My suggestion for them? Try Orlando.

Tip No. 2: Do some research. Get friendly with Google.com. Learn about your destination. It might be embarrassing if you don't learn beforehand that all camouflage clothing is illegal in Barbados.

At the very least, learn the name of your destination.

The beautiful island in Tip No. 1 is da-ma-NEE-ka (not da-MI-na-ca, as in the Dominican Republic). The residents are proud of their island and don't like being confused with the Dominican Republic. Yet I don't remember anyone on our cruise pronouncing it correctly. Imagine our reaction if foreigners talked of being in flor-i-DAY.

TIP No. 3: Be aware, not scared. Americans tend to travel in large herds. It's the pack mentality. There are dangers everywhere (but a lot more at home). By combining a little bit of Tip No. 2 and some common sense, it's easy to stay safe.

Tip No. 4: Language will be a problem, because in many places, the residents will speak better English than you (or me).

Tip No. 5: You have a passport to adventure. Use it. You don't have to go cliff diving (unless you want to), but try something new. Pass up the hamburger and sample the local cuisine.

Talk to the residents. Most locals are proud of their country and are willing to share its heritage.

Tip No. 6: Don't buy into the stereotypes. Will you be approached by Jamaicans aggressively trying to sell souvenirs? Sure — by people trying to put food on their table. Isn't that better than begging?

Are some worse than others? Of course.

On one visit I was passing through a craft colony. An American was chatting with a jewelry maker who was selling his wares. The tourist's wife yanked him away and scolded him. "Stop talking to him or he'll end up owning our house."

I apologized for the woman's comment.

"No problem," the jewelry maker said with a smile.

I told him his work was beautiful but that I couldn't buy anything. He thanked me for the compliment and continued on, still smiling.

I suspect the woman remembers things differently.

I'm sure she still brags to friends about saving her husband from the dangerous, dreadlocked Jamaican scam artist who was after their home.

Kyle Kreiger rants about the serious and silly with one question in mind: Why? Contact him at kreiger@sptimes.com.

most people from the US are not ugly .

just missunderstood by the locals .as most locals would be dont the same way in the states .

people from most countries hate the US becaus there governments project bad news about Bush and the US , but let the news talk that way about LULA and they will be sent out of the country quick .

in all my travels whitch are a never ending story .
i am asked why the people of the US hate us .
my reply is we dont our governments dont see eye to eye .
dont blame me for there stupid government policys .

most people in the US cant se past there frout wind screen in there car much less know where countries are on the map and what lanuaga they speek .
like most people in SA think brasilians speak spanish !!!!
and there are no countries in afcria that speak portugues .

that is why the internet is so important and why some countries are trying to limit its use by one way or another .

becaus after you cut out all the CHC and Costas find the middle .
WE ALL WANT THE SAME THING OUT OF LIFE

AND OUR GOVERNMENTS ARE KEEPING US APART BY HOOK OR CROOK .
by theft and decpition , twisting of the lanuage , killing off education , and in control of the real news not the can stuff
on fox , cnn , bbc , ogobal ,

AND OUR GOVERNMENTS ARE KEEPING US APART BY HOOK OR CROOK .
by theft and decpition , twisting of the lanuage , killing off education , and in control of the real news not the can stuff
on fox , cnn , bbc , ogobal ,

I agree with you wholeheartedly with one correction. If I recall my memories, CNN was founded by Ted Turner in 1982/83 with the intention of educating "Dumb Americans" about the world affairs. A splendid initiative on his part. Along the years, CNN changed hands so much that they became the mouthpiece of the government. Like Globo. I think that BBC is still trying to maintain its independence. BUT BUT.., CBC is much more independent and I hope it is not gobbled up by Rupert Murdock!

I don’t remember giving permission to use my name!

Let me tell something: America is hated because they thwarted democracy, stifled freedom and trampled human rights, whenever is convenient for your dominating country. That’s why you are hated around the world. And that’s why you are the target of terrorists.

Beyond that, and you personally, trying to explain something to you is like trying to squeeze orange juice out of a apple. Hindus worship the cow. You worship an a$$ - yourself!

Costinha

PA
written by Shelly1, July 08, 2008
really don't care about your dutch,etc as you seem to hilite constantly as if your whiteness is or makes you better than anyone else. I see the dutch nothing more than a bunch fo liars as they are known throughout Europe, druggies & ho's (Ho-lland)get my point. And i didn't find this out by being in my comfort zone.

AP, go back to your hut in PA, and don't forget to change every so often your spit bucket!

How funny of you to talk about a "hut", isn't that where you've been living most of your life in a "hut" in the heart of redneck country nonetheless. I'm sure your "bucket" is full, no question about that.

PA
written by Shelly1, July 09, 2008
obviously most students in brazil don't even know the color of their flag nor what it stands for,etc.

Are you talking about America here? For a first world country, America in terms of education is a shame compared to Europe!

A link for you to see: Some very basic knowledge. Talking about not knowing what your flag stands for!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJuNgBkloFE

-Again we are not talking about Europe, we are talking about your country of birth.

And american education is a shame compared to europe, ye, that's why the europeans & otehrs from the world come here for an higher education, so that they are more employable when they return.
I wonder wht you're doing here, why not be in your own country & contribute all your knowledge/know how to help your country along.

AP
written by Shelly1, July 09, 2008
Read about the article the just came out: The ugly American, you certainly fit into the stereotype perfectly! Your are obtuse remarks portrays your character.

-Now look who is talking about being ugly, you come from a country where overwhelmengly the people are nothing more than a bunch of "barangas" & your predecessors in europe(dutch/germanic people)are not exactly known for their looks(ugly dutch)warmness or affections, etc.
I take it that's why your predecessoors moved to a warmer climate overall. Now that's a laugh.

pa, you are insulting
written by asp, July 09, 2008
you think you havent been insulting? you remind me of the idiots posting on the miami herald. south florida white men who cant handle the rich culture that cuba and other sotuh americans have brought there.

-Now why would they care about anyone else culture, we don't go to brazil & bring ours or impose it, do we?-

there is no discusion with you. you just throw out garbage, so, you deserve garbage back. and, as i throw it at you , im also talking about culture and history.

-Lame point-

how can i explain to an idiot like you, what its like to be in recife , at an old church that was a sanctuary for run away slaves, and, watch a maracatu demonstration that is 300 years old with european court costumes and incredible syncopated rhythm and a beautiful dance? it sent chills up my spine. it moved me and marked me and inspired me. that is what high art and culture is suposed to do. put you in touch with your emotions, and, give you insights to yourself and reflections on the human condition.

-Now i'm glad for you that you had to go so far to get in touch with yourself. Wow....

but, there is no discusion with you about that. you make your ridiculas comments, and, think im going to swallow it ? think again....and, you started it by saying my statements were a crock....you and the other loosers on here who like to insult, you better bring it , because im going to drill you into the ground if you insult me

-so why are you still discussing it, if you don't want to continue, just stop, take the higher ground. Because obviously you cna't handle the fact that someone else or others have a different opinion than yours.
Calling a statement a "crock" is an opinion, not an insult as you & shelly1 have done.
So since you think it's an insult, keep drilling, lets see how deep you'll go since you're in touch with your emotions now.

I wonder wht you're doing here, why not be in your own country & contribute all your knowledge/know how to help your country along

My family was invited to come here, I am here because I can and want to. As I said, you are the exception, most Americans are fine people. Not you, now go back and empty your spit bucket, what porn and drink your horse piss Bud.

Europe(dutch/germanic people)are not exactly known for their looks(ugly dutch)warmness or affections, etc.

I guess you forget that America has the LARGEST individuals. I challenge you to go to a beach in Rio and count, let's see who has the biggest number of loose skin hanging off!

America does have great universities, however I beg to differ! When it comes to value, It is a WHOLE lot cheaper to get educated in Europe, not here. Kids don't have to take large loans and be forever in debt because of it.

And buy the way, Americans also go to Europe to get a REAL education. Still for a first world country, your education is a shame-comparing to all developed nations.

Let me tell something: America is hated because they thwarted democracy, stifled freedom and trampled human rights, whenever is convenient for your dominating country. That’s why you are hated around the world. And that’s why you are the target of terrorists.

I agree with almost all of your quotes, however, I am against violence.
Forrest, stop being so naive. You know quite well why the world has a beef with the US. We don't need to list all the interference in SA by the US, do we?

Do you want to know why the US isn't doing anything about Iran? Because it can't, we are broke my friend-they are the real threat in the middle east, Iraq was all for oil. How many Iraqui women and children have died?

dont blame me for there stupid government policys

I don't blame you for the first time around. However, Americans were right behind Bush when he invaded Iraq. You guys had the power to change, ask your local congressman to support his impeachment. Senator Wrexler (sp) is "trying" to get something done, but I must say, the Bush dynasty is unreachable, even in a country that glorifies equal justice and freedom. Lady Justice has a veil on her face, not because justice has to be impartial, but because she is ashamed of the impunity in this country. Forrest, Brazil is a developing nation, I thought corruption was a "Brazuca thing", but in America your government has totally embraced this idea! Here it happens at c**ktail parties.

Bush was elected not only once, but twice. Therefore, America has the gov it deserves. I didn't vote for the moron. I think I mentioned here once, you guys only do something when it reaches your wallets. I guess I was right, now everyone wants "change".

AP
written by Shelly1, July 09, 2008
I wonder wht you're doing here, why not be in your own country & contribute all your knowledge/know how to help your country along.

My family was invited to come here, I am here because I can and want to. As I said, you are the exception, most Americans are fine people. Not you, now go back and empty your spit bucket, what porn and drink your horse piss Bud.

-yes, you're right American's are a fine good people, teh majority are unlike your countrymen.
-I don't own a bucket,nor do i need to.
But i understand why you would even know about one, when you roll over every morning that bucket is right there waiting for you, does the word "velho" mean anyhting to you. Keep spitting, i'm sure it fills up quickly.

America the fat councious syndrome
written by Shelly1, July 09, 2008
Europe(dutch/germanic people)are not exactly known for their looks(ugly dutch)warmness or affections, etc.

I guess you forget that America has the LARGEST individuals. I challenge you to go to a beach in Rio and count, let's see who has the biggest number of loose skin hanging off!

-Here you go again twisting things around; who is talking about being the largest, i was talking about looks, not physique. Even if i was talking about being the largest, being at the beach, just like being in Hamptons in NY is not representative of a country, is it?

uhh???
written by Shelly1, July 09, 2008
America does have great universities, however I beg to differ! When it comes to value, It is a WHOLE lot cheaper to get educated in Europe, not here. Kids don't have to take large loans and be forever in debt because of it.

And buy the way, Americans also go to Europe to get a REAL education. Still for a first world country, your education is a shame-comparing to all developed nations.

-I'm going to start calling you the twisting queen-
Ameican sgo to Europe to get a REAL Education, now that's a laugh, over 500, 000 people from all over the world come tho the good ole u.s.a because our Higher Education is REAL & better than any other in the world, other countries in Europe may be cheaper, but the Education is not better & the samll % of Americans that do go abroad, do it more for the experience of being abroad & not necesarily because it is a better or REAL Education than the U.S.A.
If anyone should be ashamed of their education is you of your own country which you should know very well.
As CH.C puts in anotehr thread,brazil & brazilians are a shame to humanity, & you fit that profile greatly.

Please enlighten yourself-link queen-if you can beat those numbers please correct me.

http://educationwonk.blogspot.com/2007/11/foreign-students-in-america-theyre-back.html

Here you go again twisting things around; who is talking about being the largest, i was talking about looks, not physique. Even if i was talking about being the largest, being at the beach, just like being in Hamptons in NY is not representative of a country, is it?


You lost your case, I won't put fat people down, but in my opinion, I sill have to see a lot of ugly people in Brazil. We do have a lot of beautiful girls-Gisele represents the beauty of the mixing of European and Brazilian culture. So does Adriana Lima, Angelica, etc. We have WAY too many gorgeous looking women in Brazil.

The barangas you mention are found here, right where I live. American women do not know how to dress or be sexy. Your clothes are cut for large women and they look like a sack of potatoes!

Get a grip, Brazilian women are well known around the world to be beautiful, try again redneck.

The article doesn't add anything to what I have said. It mainly focus on Asian students. It didn't mention one European case.

I think you need to inform yourself a lot better. Switch from the Fox News, and get more acquainted with Google: Numbers of Foreign Students Declining at US Universities


http://www.voanews.com/english/archive/2005-04/2005-04-15-voa61.cfm?CFID=11575836&CFTOKEN=99933578

And please read this one too. American kids will be denied loans for the next year! I guess European children don't have to worry about that!

http://www.taurillon.org/Europe-vs-USA-Whose-Economy-Wins

Steady Decline

In September 2001, JMU hosted 189 foreign students, those on a visa studying in the United States. By September 2004, the number dropped to 120 as the campus� overall enrollment ticked up slightly to about 16,000.

As with any other student, the increasing cost of a college education plays a role. JMU�s out-of-state tuition has jumped in recent years, he said.

Also, he knows from experience that foreign students consider climate.

Foreign students also have more options than before. Other countries, such as Canada and Australia, are increasing efforts to compete with the United States for international students, including American, he said.

"It is easier to get into those countries," Dube, a junior, said.

Some foreign students feel less comfortable in the United States, he said. Walsh noted a sharp decline in students from Pakistan and that part of the world at JMU.

http://www.emu.edu/news/index.php/796

If anyone should be ashamed of their education is you of your own country which you should know very well.

For a "first world country", you guys should be ashamed. I have never denied about the educational problems in Brazil, after all we are a developing country. However, America is a first world country with real third world country issues. Your economy is broke!

I want to see those poor students get a loan to go to college.

Canada, Australia and the UK are far better places for international students, more welcoming and cheaper! In the end, money can only go so far.

after 911 the US put a stop to all the open door walkins from that part of the world.

as a full 15% just came over to hide and work not go to school .

then you have all the illeagle claming all the pell grants for them selves , and anchor babbies .

as far a being ashamed of what people demanding somthing here that they cant get in there home land , even if they have the money .
look at you shelly here working instead of working in brasil , school here instead of brasil .

if any thing we should be ashamed of the fact we dont demand our people to have at least a 2 year college term .
instead of giving it away to people from other lands for votes .

thank you US government

Did you eat paint chips when you were a kid?

PA asked me once, "What letter follows X in the alphabet?" and when I said "Y", he said, "Cause I want to know."

Costinha

PA
written by Shelly1, July 11, 2008
Here you go again twisting things around; who is talking about being the largest, i was talking about looks, not physique. Even if i was talking about being the largest, being at the beach, just like being in Hamptons in NY is not representative of a country, is it?

You lost your case, I won't put fat people down, but in my opinion, I sill have to see a lot of ugly people in Brazil. We do have a lot of beautiful girls-Gisele represents the beauty of the mixing of European and Brazilian culture. So does Adriana Lima, Angelica, etc. We have WAY too many gorgeous looking women in Brazil.

-HOW DID I LOOSE MY CASE, TISTING SHELLY, YOU HAVEN'T SEEN "BARANGAS" IN BRAZIL, THEN AS USUSAL YOU MUST HAVE YIUR THICK GLASSES ON, BUT THEN THAT'S TYPICAL OF BRAZUCA YUCA'S. I GUESS YOU SPEAK FOR ALL OF THE COUNTRY, TRY MINAS GRAIS & THE NORTHESAST ALONG W/THE REST OF THE COUNTRY IF YOU WANT TO BE REAL-

The barangas you mention are found here, right where I live. American women do not know how to dress or be sexy. Your clothes are cut for large women and they look like a sack of potatoes!

-OF COURSE THEY ARE REDNECKS WHERE YOU LIVE, AS I SAID B4 YOU SOUND LIKE A REDNECK BECAUSE YOU BEEN LIVING AROUND THEM FOR SO LONG, AS FAR AS LOOKS, EVERY COUNTRY HAS GOOD/UGLY LOOKING PEOPLE, BEAUTY IS NOT DFINE BY ONE COUNTRY ONLY; THEY MAY WEAR THE SACK OF POTATOES, BUT YOU LOOK LIKE A POTATO-

Get a grip, Brazilian women are well known around the world to be beautiful, try again redneck.

-NOW WHAT AUTHORITY LINK QUEEN ARE YOU REFERRING TO THAT THE BRAZUCA WOMEN ARE BEAUTIFUL. THEIR BEAUTY IS NO MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE'S IN THE WORLD, JUST BECAUSE YOU HAPPEN TO HAVE A # OF MODELS THAT HAPPEN TO BE FROM BRAZIL DOESN'T MEAN THAT ALL OF THE BRAZILIAN WOMEN ARE BEAUTIFUL AT ALL AS I SAID ABOVE.
VENEZUELA HAS BEAUTIFUL WOMEN & THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO AROUND SAYING THAT THEYAR ETHE MOST BEAUTIFUL OR MAKE LOUD NOISES, AFTER ALL THEY CONDUCT THEMSELVES W/THE UPMOST FINESS, CLASS & POLITE, I DON'T KNOW THAT I CAN SAY THAT ABOUT THE BRAZUCA'S, ESPECIALLY LIKE YOU-

PA
written by Shelly1, July 11, 2008
The article doesn't add anything to what I have said. It mainly focus on Asian students. It didn't mention one European case.
I think you need to inform yourself a lot better. Switch from the Fox News, and get more acquainted with Google: Numbers of Foreign Students Declining at US Universities
http://www.voanews.com/english/archive/2005-04/2005-04-15-voa61.cfm?CFID=11575836&CFTOKEN=99933578

And please read this one too. American kids will be denied loans for the next year! I guess European children don't have to worry about that!
http://www.taurillon.org/Europe-vs-USA-Whose-Economy-Wins

-WHAT A JOKE YOU ARE, TWISTING THINGS AGAIN, WHAT PART OF HTE WORLD THE FOREIGN STUDENTS COME FROM HAS NOTHING TO DO W/THE ISSUE AT HAND.
JUST BECAUSE THE ASIANS CAN AFFORD US MORE THAN THE OTHERS COUNTRIES SPEAKS VOLUMES/IS A TESTAMENT THAT OUR HIGHER EDUCATION IS THE BEST INTHE WORLD, LIKE IT OR NOT AS A LINK THAT I WILL SUPPLY YOU BELOW WILL TELL YOU, "WE ARE THE GOLD STANDARD" LIKE IT OR NOT.
LETS PUT IT THIS WAS TWISTING SHELLY, LOANS OR NO LOANS THE U.S. HAS PLENTY OF OTHER PROGRAMS, PARENTS MAKE DECENT WAGES TO PUT THEIR KIDS THRU COLLEGE, SO LETS NOT MIX UP ISSUES THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO W/THE ISSUE.
ON ANOTHER NOTE IF YOU TRULY WERE INVITED HERE, LET ME KNOW WHEN YOUR INVITATION IS OVER, SO WE CAN ALL WAVE YOU GOOD-BYE.
REALLY, YOU SOUND LIKE THOSE TYPICAL BRAZUCA'S/PEOPLE THAT NEVER HAD MUCH & WHEN YOU DO YOU THINK/ACT AS IF NO ONE EVER HAD MONEY/ASSETS-
HERE'S A REFRAIN - "YOU CAN TAKE THE PERSON AWAY FROM THE PROJECTS, BUT YOU CAN'T THE PROJECTS FROM THE PERSON"

-Links i neglected to iclude above ling queen, as i said b4, if you have any links to dispute these please post them-&make sure they're up to date-

http://opendoors.iienetwork.org/?p=113121

http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2008/07/05/foreign_students_flock_to_the_us/

Enema?

Costa

The article is very true, Empathy is very strong in Brasilian society because they still have family structure and thanks to Hollywood we see how certain values should NOT be adopted. As for apathy i dont think it is but it has to do with the sense of helplessness regarding certain things because we do know people will be people and be failible

As for the hate comments... the dogs bark but the caravan still goes on, this hatred is senseless but expected since is coming from these people.