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A Booming Brazil? Just Another Myth Created by the Press PDF Print E-mail
Written by Daniel Torres   
Thursday, 24 July 2008 04:43

Paraisópolis, Paradise City, a favela inside the super rich Morumbi neighborhood in São Paulo, Brazil The international media is infatuated with the Brazilian economy. Almost every week there is a new article adulating the Brazilian economic 'miracle.' Although these newspapers make accurate claims they also tend to frequently embellish the truth.

A good example is in a recent online article published by The Guardian South American correspondent Rory Carrol, on Brazil, stating that, "Fiscal prudence and market-friendly policies have delivered economic stability and solid, if unspectacular growth (1)."

The assertion that Brazil's economy, under Lula, experienced "solid, if unspectacular growth" lacks merit with no statistical evidence to support such claims but such statements are frequently touted by most mainstream newspapers.

Many articles are correct to note the improvements to the economy. A growing number of Brazilians are purchasing goods on credit stimulating economic activity in various sectors. The minimum wage is growing and prices are relatively stable. Most of the economic improvements have been relegated to the external economic sector.

Unfortunately, this sector is distant from the reality of average Brazilians. The stock market and financial market have undergone spectacular growth led by the rapid infusion of foreign investment. The growth in the financial sector does not in correlate to the increase experienced by the Brazilian economy.

Since 2003, the export-led economy produced very strong results. For the first time in its history, Brazil holds slightly less than 200 billion dollars in its foreign reserves far surpassing its total external debt (2). Brazil is a net creditor (3).

The Lula government made early repayments to both the IMF and to the Paris Club. In 2007, Brazil had 64 Initial Public Offerings (IPOs) raising US$ 42.8 billion with much of inflow originating from abroad. Since 2002, the São Paulo stock exchange, Bovespa, grew by 1,250 percentage points (4). Recently, Bovespa surpassed the 70,000 benchmark for the first time ever. Even CNN's news ticker mentioned this historic feat.

For the past five years the trade surplus has comfortably exceeded US$ 35 billion helping to push the current account from deficit to surplus. The risk of default on Brazil's external debt has dropped to historically low levels (5). Last year, international investors sent Brazil over US$ 35 billion in foreign investment.

The international debt agencies, of Fitch and Standard & Poor's, raised Brazil to the safest "investment grade" level securing it a new reputation as a low risk place for international investors (6). Petrobras, Vale do Rio Doce, and Embraer are just three Brazilian multinationals active in the global economy of today.

These achievements did not go unrecognized by the likes of the Los Angeles Times. Like the Guardian article, it extols that, "After several boom-and-bust cycles in recent decades, Brazil is in the midst of its best sustained economic growth since the 1970s." Brazil's economic growth rate in the 1970s averaged 7 to 8% per year, a number almost three times the current economic growth rate. More importantly, Brazil is not experiencing a sustained economic growth worth noting.

The author goes on to write that, "Economic growth will come in at 5.3 % this year, lower than the hemisphere's 5.7%, but quite a feat for a country that over the previous 10 years averaged only 2.5% annual expansion" (7). Although the figures cited are accurate, it provides a distorted impression that an economic boom is taking place by using the economic growth figure for only one year.

The article then recites how the financial-stock sector boom is developing rapidly, which is true and positive, but it only furthers the perception that a new Brazilian miracle is occurring. Surprisingly absent is what percentage of Brazilians own stocks or how many purchased IPOs last year? I wonder why these figures are missing?

By noting these improvements many journalists logically conclude that Brazil's economy is entering a period of unprecedented growth. For the financial sector, it is undeniable that there is growth bringing about relative economic stability but there is another economy, arguably more important, that is at best stagnant. A closer assessment of Brazil's internal, or domestic, economy is seriously lacking. The belief that economic growth is expanding rapidly is mistakenly absent.

The economic truth is more somber. Since 1996, economic growth has been mired in a cycle of one year boom followed by years of stagnation. The external accounts, frequently touted as success by Western journalists, are beginning to show signs of fragility. Also, the lack of serious investment in the future deters economic development.

The economy stagnated throughout President Lula's first term in office (2003-2006). Lula's first-term average growth rate is equal to Fernando Henrique Cardoso's, his predecessor; a lethargic 2.6% (8). During Lula' first term in office, the economy only grew more than 4%, in 2004, reaching 4.9% (revised to 5.7%).

A more accurate growth measure is the per capita growth rate, which factors in the growth of population. Under Lula's tenure per capita grew by 1.2%, a slight improvement from Cardoso's overall average of 0.8% (9). In fact, over the past 10 years, per capita growth has averaged 0.7% (10). In contrast, in the 1960s and 70s, average per capita went up by 4.5% (11).

Last year, the economic statistics were revised under a new methodology. Average economic growth for Lula's first term was revised upward to 3.35% (12). Lula's overall average growth rate from 2003 to 2007 is 3.76%. Although this average economic rate is faster than Cardoso's average growth rate of 2.3% over his 8 years in office (13).

Since 2003, growth in Brazil can only be described as lackluster when compared globally. Since 2003, Brazil's average 3.8% economic growth is dwarfed by the global average of 39 developing nations who recorded a 5.6% growth rate during the same period according to Austing Rating (14). In fact, since 1996, Brazil's growth rate has consistently remained below the world's average until last year when Brazil finally surpassed the world average (15).

Most experts agree that Brazil needs economic growth of at least 5 or 6% to create just enough jobs for those entering the labor market. The consistent failure of inducing economic growth likely caused Lula's administration to launch the PAC (the Program to Accelerate [Economic] Growth) a major public works program to improve the country's infrastructure and hopefully accelerate economic growth.

If the real economy was in fact booming the Brazilian people would not be voicing their overwhelming discontent. A recent PEW poll indicated that 59% of Brazilians said the economy was going badly for them. This is an improvement from last year when 70% of Brazilians indicated such feelings (16). The strong growth, achieved in 2007, must have improved the economic outlook for a few Brazilians but the benefits of this economic boom has not trickled-down to the majority of the population.

The once strong external economic sector is starting to show signs of distress. As of April 2008, the trade balance dropped by 79% in relation to last year (17). In the same month, the current account registered a deficit of US$ 14 billion, larger than the US$ 12 billion that the Central Bank predicted for all of 2008 (18). Although foreign investment is covering the current account deficit Brazil's economy for now, making Brazil more dependent on global inflows as the current account deficit grows.

A prolonged global economic recession would likely be detrimental to Brazil. International investors tend to punish third-world nations that consistently run large current account deficits. The current account deficit was a significant component of Brazil's economic vulnerability, and instability, from 1997 to 2002 (19). A few years ago Turkey experienced economy difficulties under the weight of its current account deficits.

The external conditions are likely to deteriorate further. Brazil's currency, the real, will continue to gain, in the short-term, against the dollar pushed upwards by higher domestic interest rates that attract massive speculative inflows. This 'strong real' policy cheapens imports, lowering inflation, while limiting Brazilian exports and economic growth.

Also the costs of producing is growing rapidly causing industry to depart from Brazilian shores. The Financial Times (FT) explored the growing possibility of 'de-industrialization' taking hold in Brazil. The chief executive of Marcopolo, an international bus company, told the FT 'that it's too expensive to produce [in Brazil] that is why industry is leaving' (20).

Domestic and international industry finds it profitable to relocate production operations, thus potential jobs and income, to countries with a more competitive exchange rate policy like Argentina. Former Communication Minister, Luis Carlos Mendonça de Barros, under Cardoso's administration (1995-2002), also warns of the increased risk of de-industrialization especially as the ethanol industry increases export earnings. More exports will bring in more dollars to Brazil causing the currency to become even stronger than it is current high levels (21).

China, on the other hand, is a competitive place to produce goods, in part, because it artificially keeps its currency devaluated at roughly 8.23 yuan per dollar making its exports artificially cheap and its imports expensive.

Higher interest rates will cause growth to fall to about 4% for this year and growth for 2009, and probably for 2010, is already condemned to its usual stagnant rate.

Growth is vitally important for any nation. Lula's administration comes with many excuses for the lack of growth yet one likely culprit is its own ultraconservative political economy. The Brazilian Central Bank consistently implements abusive interest rates, which remains the highest real interest rates in the world. There is no doubt that higher interest rates were needed to halt inflation but it has become a dangerous obsession within the government.

What journalists consistently overlook is that Lula's government, led by the president himself, has sacrificed economic growth for lowest possible rate of inflation. Lula even said that he would make "any sacrifice" against the return of inflation (22). Somebody should tell him that there is a difference between hyperinflation, which Brazil suffered from in the past, and inflation.

Most international commentators assumed that it was Lula's former finance minister, Antonio Palocci, who convinced President Lula of the importance of keeping inflation very low. International investors shuttered when Palocci resigned from his position under intense scrutiny.

In actuality, it was Lula who taught Palocci that lower inflation was needed. According to Palocci's latest book, Lula argued for an inflation target of 4% while Palocci advocated a more manageable 5%. They eventually settled on a compromise figure of 4.5%. Although this figure kept inflation low it also inhibited economic expansion.

Palocci warned Lula that keeping the inflation target this low would stunt economic growth. Lula understood this argument, but believed that inflation was clearly the greatest evil, a lesson he learned from his days as a union leader (23).

A few government officials opposed these interest rates. The Institute of Research and Applied Economics (IPEA) economist, Marcio Pochmann, said that "we want to step on the accelerator [of economic growth], but the problem is the Central Bank" (24). The vice-president, José Alencar, is one of the leading critics calling the interest rate policy as 'fiscally irresponsible' because it drives up interest payments costs thus Brazil runs a higher budget deficit (25).

Also the current governor of São Paulo, José Serra, has been another vocal critic of the interest rate policy. The ex-Secretary of the Political Economy of the Finance Ministry, Gomes de Almeida, left his government position, when he criticized the hyper-valuation of the currency, which he noted, was prejudicial to the country and a result of the high interest rate policy (26).

The economic tools used to contain inflation, and keep interest rates low, have largely failed. In 2004, the Brazilian economy finally rebounded at a brisk 5.7% pace but the central bank wanted to reach its targeted inflation rate (27). So interest rates began to rise in September of 2004. Lula correctly worried that future growth would be compromised. In response, Lula raised the primary budget surplus (budget surplus that excludes interest payments on the debt) from 4.25% to 4.5% (28).

Lula was told by government officials that a higher primary budget surplus would keep inflation low thus keeping interest rates lower. In theory, further cuts to the budget, raises the primary surplus, increasing the domestic savings rate by soaking up the excess money within the economy, lowering inflation. Unfortunately, he underestimated the central bank's commitment to low inflation at-all-cost.

In fact in 2004, the government's official primary budget surplus ended at 4.6% but the domestic interest rates did not stop rising until later into the following year (29). They went from 16% in September 2004 to 19.75 a year later when the central bank ceased hiking interest rates.

The effect of this policy stymied economic growth. In 2005, growth fell to 2.3 (revised to 2.9%), the second lowest rate among Latin American economies, beating only war-torn Haiti (30). Government officials, like ex-finance minister Palocci, blamed the political scandals that erupted that year for the anemic growth rates.

In 2006, the official rate of economic growth was marginally better, at 2.9% (revised to 3.7) once again only surpassing Haiti (31). It is obvious that Brazil's economic growth is shackled. Although 2007 was another boom year, like 2004, the economy of 2008 and 2009 are likely to disappoint many foreign observers.

Once again in April 2008, domestic interest rates are on the rise. They will continue to increase as Brazil experiences higher bouts of inflation. The government, once again, repeated its previous act by swiftly boosting the primary budget surplus from 3.8 to 4.3% of the GDP (32). Lula once again believes that this will somehow stop the central bank from raising interest rates.

Clearly, he did not learn his lesson from 2004. Back then, even the central bank president openly declared that the hike in the primary surplus would not stop interest rates from going up (33). Inflation is growing in Brazil, above the excessively low official target of 4.5%, but this inflationary burst is arising from outside global forces not an overheating Brazilian economy.

Brazil's growth alone never caused inflation to grow uncontrollably. Oil, commodity and energy prices are escalating everywhere. Interest rates will now be going up to contain the current global spike in inflation. Inflation will stay above its target for the foreseeable but it is not raging out of control as in the past.

The Central Bank's ultraconservative policy is used against increasing inflation. It is what PhD economics programs all around the world teach their pupils: "the only role of the central bank is to keep inflation as low as possible". Any other intervention in the economy breeds horrendous inefficiencies and, is at worst, "Marxism". If it proven in the classical theoretical world of economics, then you know it must be true in the real world!

The central bank's policy is also hypocritical. It easily moves up interest rates when inflation grows but refuses to lower it when inflation is very low. For example, in 2006, Brazil's yearly inflation rate (IPCA) accumulated to a mere 3.14%, below its 4.5% target, and was the 3rd lowest in all of Latin America (34). Although an important achievement, interest rates trickled down in an excessively cautious manner. Brazil still had the highest interest rates in the world.

Why did not the Central Bank drastically slash interest rates in 2006 for inflation to reach 4.5%? Growth could have been faster than pathetic 2.9% and thousands of new jobs could have been created. In 2007, interest rates could have been even lower than they were because inflation ended at 4.14% once again below the 4.5% target.

Nobel Prize winning economist, Joseph Stiglitz, has repeatedly reiterated that Brazil's economy could grow by lowering interest rates without fear of inflation (35). Obviously, his frank advice is ignored in the halls of Brasília. Not to mention that many mainstream economists now accept that an inflation rate below 10% has no negative impact on economic growth. Two World Bank economists even found that there is no consistent correlation between a country's inflation rate and growth rate when inflation stays below 40% (36).

Conditions for many workers remain difficult. Average real income has been static throughout the past six years although unemployment has been slowly falling. According to the IBGE (Brazilian Institute of Geography and Statistics) as of April 2008, real average income was 1,208.10 reais, its highest point since October 2002, when it stood at 1,224.48 reais. This demonstrates that the average worker is, in real terms, still earning less than it did back in 2002 (37)!

So who are the biggest beneficiaries of the Brazilian economy? The clear winner is the financial-agriculture complex.

Each year, the Brazilian government pays billions in interest on its internal debt. Each year, well over 100 billion reais, is transferred to public, domestic and international banks who own a majority of government debt. Yet, interest payments only display a part of the picture. Billions are paid on the principal of the country's debt.

In 2002, the last year of the Cardoso administration, the government dispensed 349.6 billion on the amortization of its debt. This was equal to 46% of the budget. On the other hand, in 2003, Lula spent over 412.9 billion reais, 54.61% of the total budget. The consequence of this increased spending on the debt is a collapse in public investment in an infrastructure or public education.

Cardoso, in 2002, made 11.6 billion reais in public investment, or 1.5% of the budget, while Lula, in 2003, invested 1.8 billion reais, a mere pitiful .24% of the budget for the year (38). Brazil's internal debt is approaching 1.3 trillion reais with 30% of it due in less than one year (39). The need to extend the maturity of the internal debt and limit its growth is real, all of which requires lower interest rates.

The United Nations Conference on Trade and Development (UNCTAD) chief economist Heiner Flassbeck warns Brazil that it is a victim of "international casino". The financial markets are making billions in the short-term by taking loans in Japan, with almost no interest, and placing it in Brazil's financial markets. They are making billions of this process as Brazil rewards them with the highest interest rates in the world (40).

So it is not surprising that Brazil's financial market has grown astronomically. But when US interest rates begin to tick-up again foreign investors will return their short-term fortunes to safer US securities. Brazil continues to be a place where investors make immediate profits and then flee towards safer investments. Unfortunately, there continues to be minimal investment in actual long-term production in the Brazilian economy that could generate new employment, transfer technology and usher internal development.

Industrial organizations, led by the powerful São Paulo Industrial Federation (FIESP), rightfully lashes out against the current interest rate policy of the central bank which frequently unites government allies and the opposition camp in the Brazilian Congress. In fact, most industry-led organizations, that produces millions of jobs, consistently plea with the government to be more flexible in enacting interest rate policy.

In many respects, Brazil's economy is as a rent-seeking economy, one where the rich see their money grow at astronomical rates without lifting a finger. Little is actually invested in a productive manner that could spur innovative industries that could improve the lives of Brazilians. Loans to small businesses and average Brazilians can range from 30 to 100%.

How can any business invest in the future and generate jobs in such an environment? Most interest rates are charged on a monthly basis. It is not surprising then that credit remains a small component of the economy although a growing one.

Lula's administration has also regularly pursued direct support of big agriculture. In May 2008, President Lula held a meeting with his ministers defining future plans to consolidate its unique role as a world leader in agriculture production (41). Back in 2006, the government destined 50 billion reais for commercial agriculture while only giving 10 billion for family agriculture (42).

In the growing season of 2007-2008 the government released 58 billion reais in aid and reduced interest rates for agriculture loans from 8.75% to 6.75% per year (43). Once again, in May of this year, Lula signed a provisional measure (MP) renegotiating 75 billion reais of debt accumulated by large-scale rural producers (44).

With this type of government intervention, it is not surprising that big agriculture has performed so well in the past five years. Agriculture is thriving in part because the special interest rates are significantly lower than those in the rest of the economy.

Lula's administration actively pursues trade negotiations with developed nations. The goal of the administration is to force rich countries to end agriculture subsidies. Many experts predict that Brazil would widely benefit from this move. Except that, in exchange reducing agriculture subsidies, first-world nations would demand that Brazil, and others, drop their stiff tariffs on industrialized goods. This would likely decimate domestic industry and small businesses. According to one study the net impact of a WTO deal would be a loss of 160 million dollars for Brazil (45).

Specializing in ethanol, oranges, beef, poultry and soy beans will not be conducive in developing a dynamic economy that serves the need of nearly 200 million people. Large-scale agriculture depends on heavily mechanized equipment generating little employment. Numerous countries around the world produce similar agriculture goods causing agriculture exports, which is roughly half of exports, to fall.

Brazil is repeating its historic failures of being the world's efficient supplier of sugarcane, soy beans, coffee, rubber and raw materials. These agriculture interests promote the knocking down of the Amazon Rainforest as a model of economic development which the former environment minister, Marina Silva, labeled "an archaic development model" which will obviously not expedite industrialization (46).

The mere fact the US and Europe obliterated their forests hundreds years ago did not induce industrialization. Industrialization requires a set of cohesive policies that are absent from the current political agenda.

Some journalists will reiterate that there is no alternative to the current economic model. Why I will not purport to decide what kind of economy Brazilians need or want, there are alternatives to the current economic policy. History is not over.

Lower interests and faster growth is a requisite to inducing any sustainable development strategy. Economic growth is necessary but insufficient to transform Brazil. Arguably economic justice is more, or as, important as economic growth.

Several countries, like Peru and Kenya, have experienced economic growth above 6% in the past few years but remain mired in poverty, joblessness and trapped within perverse inequality. Thus collective action by social movements and civil society must exert pressure on their democratically elected officials to enact measures that encourage job creation, promote a decent livable wage, affordable housing, public education and even a substantial land reform that offers credit and technical assistance to millions of landless peasants.

Only by pursuing economic justice can Brazilian society be more inclusive, reduce poverty and tackle the perverse inequality that scars the basic fabric of society. Real positive change of any economic or social policy must come from the bottom-up not from the top-down.

Year   GDP growth (old methodology) GDP growth (new methodology)

1996   2.7    2.2
1997   3.3    3.4
1998   0.1     0
1999   0.8    0.3
2000   4.4    4.3
2001   1.3    1.3
2002   1.9    2.7
2003   0.5    1.1
2004   4.9    5.7
2005   2.3    2.9
2006*   2.9    3.7 

Source: "Revisão do PIB melhora posição do Brasil em ranking mundial, diz consultoria, Folha Online, 21.03.2007, accessed 3/25/2007 http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/folha/dinheiro/ult91u115388.shtml
*-figures for this year were found in another article

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Talking about Fairy Tales...
written by Ricardo C. Amaral, July 24, 2008

The only Myth and Fairy Tale created by the press is the above article.

The author of this article must have some kind of agenda based on his analysis of the Brazilian economy.

His analysis left out a lot of information that underscore the resilience of the Brazilian economy.

He did not mention on his article that Brazil has been able to have such a performance despite operating under very difficult circumstances for example: globalization has been having a major restructuring impact on the Brazilian economy as the enclosed study shows. Here is the analysis of Joseph Carson about the global manufacturing sector and the major negative impact that has been having in the Brazilian economy:


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Manufacturing Payrolls Declining Globally: The Untold Story
By Joseph Carson, Senior Vice President and U.S. Economist
Alliance Capital Management L.P. - October 10, 2003

“According to our analysis, between 1995 and 2002 roughly 22 million jobs were lost globally, a decline of 11%. Yet over the same period, global industrial production jumped more than 30% - a remarkable gain in productivity.

Contrary to conventional U.S. beliefs, the research found that American manufacturing workers weren't the biggest losers. The U.S. lost about two million manufacturing jobs in the 1995-2002 period, an 11% drop. But Brazil had a 20% decline. Japan's factory work force shed 16% of its jobs, while China's was down 15%.

Joseph Carson, director of global economic research at Alliance, says the reasons for the declines are similar across the globe: Gains in technology and competitive pressure have forced factories to become more efficient, allowing them to boost output with far fewer workers. Indeed, even as manufacturing employment declined, says Mr. Carson, global industrial output rose more than 30%.

"The argument that politicians are throwing out there is that we are losing jobs and nobody else is, and that is wrong," says Mr. Carson. "What I found is that the loss of manufacturing jobs that we have seen in the U.S. is not unique. It is part of a global trend that began many years ago."”


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The author of the article also did not mention that the Brazilian economy had been effected in a negative way during various years by the collapse of the Argentinean economy and the negative effect that that collapse had in the countries around Argentina including Brazil.

Despite all that the Brazilian economy managed to hang on, and had a modest performance.

I agree with the policy of the current Central banker in Brazil Henrique Meirelles and he should fight inflation with higher interest rate to keep high rates of inflation to return to the Brazilian economy.

What is happening in the real estate area in Brazil is also something positive for the Brazilian population regarding the availability of long term mortgages and so on…

Only a fool would not see all the improvements being made in the Brazilian economy.

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written by ..., July 24, 2008
It cannot be denied that Brazil's economy like many others in the world like Argentina, Chile etc have benefited from record high demand and prices in the commodities sector. Embraer is an exception to this. Petrobras is a concern globally but again it is in oil. It will take one or two missteps in the commodity market to cool off the "boom." Are we at sustainable growth??
Do you know what?
written by ..., July 24, 2008
It does not really matter. Defeatists, both foreign and domestic keep saying the same thing over and over again, last year, the year before and so on. Just words, means nothing… Irrelevant in principle and jealous in character.

Brasil has all the resources (natural and man-made) the world wants and desperately needs. To complement, Brasil has no enemies but partners all over the world.

The author of this article still thinking 15 years ago, when for the most, the Brasilian economy was solely dependent on the US and EU. Those days are over, forever gone!

Lula, stay the course…

Costinha
Losers strike back
written by Ossy, July 24, 2008
Background do autor:
“I spent two years at Boston College and accumulated a lot of debt, so these awards are invaluable, especially since studying abroad is part of my honors capstone experience through Commonwealth College. It allows me to satisfy my thesis requirement and graduate with honors this fall.”

Torres, who in 1989 moved with his family from Brazil to Amherst, originally chose to study business at BC after high school. “After two years I came to the realization that the business world did not suit my interests,” he says. “I decided to transfer to UMass Amherst to pursue my passion for politics that began after a trip back to Brazil in 1998—which is what my father had suggested all along. I have two older brothers, Afranio and Rob, who are alumni. And my mother got her master’s in bilingual education here as well, so we are well aware of the quality of the educational experience.”
http://www.umass.edu/sbs/academics/students/torres.htm

Of course business doesn't suit the author's interest! Exactly what happens to the locals here in Brazil. They want to study sociology, Philosophy... Work? Business? Sacre Bleu! This is the work for the dropouts like me.
I worked as a contractor abroad for the past 25 years. Although dropping out at 7th grade I made more money that PhD in US colleges. Why? Am I a genius? No! Those diplomadinhos have never been competition for me.
That's why you erradicate poverty. (You don't know the place I rise from!!) By working hard and tek on any foreign competition.
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written by DANIEL WILLIAM SULLIVAN, July 24, 2008
I am an expat in Brasil. I have been visiting Brasil for 23 years and now live here for 2 years. I am not an economist but one need not be such to see the amazing and wonderful progress Brasil has made over these years.
Yes, interest rates do hold back economic progress. Yet I can understand Lula wanting to fight inflation first. I remember those days of Weimar money. It was a horror for all but truly awful for the working poor.
Something new and creative will have to be done with the currency and interest rates. The infrastructure is undeveloped and needs massive improvement. Education is dreary.
Yet, when all is said and down two things have remained constant in Brasil. The wealthy don't care a damn about the poor and corruption is massive. These two things will prevent Brasil from ever acheiving permanent improvement.
Good Article
written by Nick, July 24, 2008
I just finished my 12 page paper on Brazil for International Marketing and must say that this article is quite good. Overall, the coming decades will support the Gerdaus, the Vale Rios, and Petrobras commodity type corporations in Brazil as resources are becoming evermore scare and countries like China will be demanding them in unprecedented quantities. From the outside Brazil looks pretty good economically, but the private sector and wealth distribution is still the worst in South America. Besides the wealthy who are unusually selfish, the people have to want to work. You do not need a PHD to understand that the Japanese and the Americans have a higher standard of living becuase they come from work cultures and work more than other nations that are less developed and do not like to work as much. No that certain pockets of work culture in Sao Paulo and other cities do not exist in Brazil, it is just that they are the exception. But who said life was all about work? A 1st world Brazil would be kinda boring.
nick
written by ..., July 24, 2008
Boring as opposed to what??? Corruption? Violence? Poverty? smilies/angry.gif smilies/angry.gif
Excellent article overall...but with MANY MANY errors !!!!
written by ch.c., July 24, 2008
- The Chinese currency, the Yuan is not trading at 8,23 against the US$
but at 6,83 !!!!
The last time it traded at 8,23 was in July....2005. Or 3 years ago.
Quite a difference in price...and time INaccuracies !
I bet the article writer did not check the sources, or the
- The Brazilian average worker income of Brl 1208.- is ONLY for the 6 metropolitan areas......representing 40 % of all the workers. .
Therefore the average income is MUCH LOWER on a national basis. But of course the IBGE are accomplices of Bin the Crook and dont publish the NATIONAL average....ON PURPOSE. Cheating and hiding...is Bin the Crook...name of the game.
Stats further manipulated because the Brl 1208.- represents ONLY the registered workers.
But it happens that in Brazil 60 % of the workers are in the informal economy and therefore NOT registered. If not registered...they dont appear...by definition !
That would further reduce the national average estimates a second time.... also by definition.

I bet the article writer did not check HIS sources, not even the dates they were published. A Simple Proof is the Yuan currency rate of 8,23 to the US$.... the junkie has mentionned.
There are many other BIG errors, but coming from a new JUNKIE reporter,
Brazilian or not...... is quite normal !!!!



Also, one thing that makes me constantly laugh is the Brazilian foreign currencies reserves.
Brazil had then a top of US$ 92 billion of fgn curr. reserves...by April 1999, ...... weeks before they DEPEGGED their currency and let it collapse by 73 %.
Funny...but so it is !!!!!
Even more funny is that US$ 92 billion at the then exchange rate (April 1999) .....is not far away from Us$ 200 billion....AT TODAY (July 200smilies/cool.gif EXCHANGE RATE.
Better yet, in 1999 the country GDP was lower than today GDP.
Meaning the then $ 90 billion fgn curr. reserves where comparatively HIGHER than TODAY !!!!
Wellll ... ss said....that did not prevent them to let their currency simply COLLAPSE !!!!!

and to Sullivan : Ohhhh yes....I bet there are more favelas than years ago. But you probably have never gone there !!!!
I can even add that the SP and Rio favelas are somewhat "luxurious" slums....when compared with favelas in ALL other Brazilians cities.
No doubt you did not go there...either !!!!
Sure in Ipanema, Copacabana, and chic areas in SP, many luxurious buildings have been developped....for the 5-10 % minority.
But so few...for the 90-95 % majority !!!!!!
CHC – Chronicle Herpes Carrier
written by ..., July 24, 2008
The man with itchy genItalia living north of Italia.

Hey…. Herpie, you are due for another enema!

Costa
Furthermore...on China and Brazil GDP......
written by ch.c., July 24, 2008
China :
Early in 2006, their government INCREASED their TOTAL GDP estimates by around 15 or 20 % for the whole previous 3 years....due to internal errors. Strange....but so THEY DECIDED.
Great isnt it ?
Yessssss......but in 2007 the World Bank REDUCED the China TOTAL GDP by around 20 %....to better reflect reality.....as the World Bank said !!!!

Obviously that give a tricky idea to the Brazilians cheaters.

Welllll....early in 2007, Brazil was so ashamed of their GDP growth rate....they simply changed the formula to SHOW IT HEALTHIER....than previously reported but of course ONLY FROM the years Bin the Crook started in his new job as President.


YESSSSSSSS.....If one look closer between the old and new methodology......it is very strange that BEFORE Bin the Crook, the new method has mostly REDUCED the GDP growth rate, AND INCREASED IT....FROM 2003 DATE BIN THE CROOK TOOK HIS NEW JOB !!!!!!!

Welll....nothing will stop Bin the Crook to cheat, lie and hide on a permanent basis !
Or said otherwise.....
written by ch.c., July 24, 2008
Brazil did EXACTLY what China did :
They RAISED their TOTAL GDP.

The proof is right below.....in Brazilian language :
A revisão da metodologia do PIB (Produto Interno Bruto) nacional elevou a posição do Brasil no ranking das maiores economias mundiais, segundo apontou levantamento da consultoria econômica Austin Rating.

O PIB em valores em 2005, segundo a nova série das contas nacionais, ficou estimado em R$ 2,148 trilhões. Na série antiga, o PIB havia ficado em R$ 1,937 trilhão.


A little bit easy copy cat than China !!!!!


LAUGH---LAUGH....LAUGH....LAUGH.....

Viva Bin the Crook and his 4000 liars and thieves !!!!
Ricardo
written by The Guest, July 25, 2008
The article above was well written, yes, a small mistake as ch.c. has pointed out with regards to China's currency, but well written.

I am beginning to wonder if you are really an economist when you write statements as follow, and others that you have written in the past.

"I agree with the policy of the current Central banker in Brazil Henrique Meirelles and he should fight inflation with higher interest rate to keep high rates of inflation to return to the Brazilian economy."

'What is happening in the real estate area in Brazil is also something positive for the Brazilian population regarding the availability of long term mortgages and so on… "

Please explain to us how high interest rates and lack of economic growth, which produce jobs, enable Brazilians to afford any type of morgages, long term or short term.
A Booming Brazil? Just Another Myth Created by the Press
written by João da Silva, July 25, 2008
Just got to read the article and the comments. Lets not mind the author´s background nor the errors pointed out by Ch.c (thank God he is not Daniel Torres´s Thesis adviser smilies/wink.gif). I found the article interesting and some questions asked by the commentators thought provoking.Please permit me to summarize some questions without specifically citing names:

1.
It cannot be denied that Brazil's economy like many others in the world like Argentina, Chile etc have benefited from record high demand and prices in the commodities sector. Embraer is an exception to this. Petrobras is a concern globally but again it is in oil. It will take one or two missteps in the commodity market to cool off the "boom." Are we at sustainable growth??


Are we at a sustainable growth? A great question.

2.
Of course business doesn't suit the author's interest! Exactly what happens to the locals here in Brazil. They want to study sociology, Philosophy... Work? Business? Sacre Bleu! This is the work for the dropouts like me.


Where are we going to find jobs for graduates of Sociology, Philosophy, etc? Are we not going the same way as Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, etc; who churn out religious scholars?

3)
Boring as opposed to what??? Corruption? Violence? Poverty?


May sound sarcastic, but an extremely valid question.Do we want to remain an "exciting country" with those three factors corroding our society?

4.
"I agree with the policy of the current Central banker in Brazil Henrique Meirelles and he should fight inflation with higher interest rate to keep high rates of inflation to return to the Brazilian economy."

'What is happening in the real estate area in Brazil is also something positive for the Brazilian population regarding the availability of long term mortgages and so on… "


"Please explain to us how high interest rates and lack of economic growth, which produce jobs, enable Brazilians to afford any type of morgages, long term or short term." I am also curious to get the explanation!

I think it is a good article and some great questions were asked and it would be interesting to put forth the same to our country´s planners!

good article
written by Joseph, July 25, 2008
A few small mistakes aside, a great article as it says what those living here see and feel day to day. Adjusted for population growth and new workers entering the market and inflation, we are not growing right now, just becoming more indebted to the banks with limited access to capital at appropriate interest rates to grow our businesses.

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written by João da Silva, July 26, 2008
Adjusted for population growth and new workers entering the market and inflation, we are not growing right now, just becoming more indebted to the banks with limited access to capital at appropriate interest rates to grow our businesses.


Joseph speaks for all those small and middle sized businesses who are struggling to stay afloat, without expecting any government handouts. Good comment.
João
written by The Guest, July 26, 2008
I have had quite a bite more to write in reference to what Joseph and you wrote, but I decided not to do so but instead wait for Ricardo's answer to my comments first. I think Ricardo is to far removed from the economic realities on the ground in Brazil and the daily life struggles that is taking place in "the Brazilian economic 'miracle.'"

I think he needs to return to Brazil and spend a minimum of one month (two months would be better) on the ground, travelling from the north to the south, so that he could get a better perspective of what is actually taking place.
Volunteer on Guard
written by Simpleton, July 26, 2008
I agree but Ricardo would certainly need a guide. Someone who would take him in places to meet real people / see for himself their real life and not just to visit the glass towered types like Abe. I'd be happy to do so. I think one month would not be enough but that's all I get each year.
The Guest
written by João da Silva, July 26, 2008
I have had quite a bite more to write in reference to what Joseph and you wrote, but I decided not to do so but instead wait for Ricardo's answer to my comments first.


I am also waiting for Ricardo´s reply as I thought it is strange that he is supporting the decision of Meirelles to increase the SELIC rate to 13% to "curb" the inflation. My prediction is that this rate is going up further by the year end to around 14-16% (though Ch.c had questioned me a few weeks ago about my forecast). One should remember that it is an election year (municipal) here and until then we could count on the inflation rate to be kept down (artificially) and then nobody knows how it is going to behave.

btw, what did you think of the latest (and probably the last) Doha round of talks? I read that Argentina is furious with Brazil!
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written by bo, July 27, 2008
I think he needs to return to Brazil and spend a minimum of one month (two months would be better) on the ground, travelling from the north to the south, so that he could get a better perspective of what is actually taking place.



He should come back and spend a couple years....that would change his tune.
Lets face it about Ricardo !!!!
written by ch.c., July 27, 2008
1) He disappeared for now....unable to answer our questions and comments.
2) Ricardo is a great junkie as I said so many times. He has such a long term view....that he changes his visions...every 6 months ! Hmmmm and better yet.....he is 100 % sure, as he wrote himself...that HE is right. Such as nationalizing Petrobras at the time of high crude oil prices. Probably to DE-nationalize it again when prices will be low again !!!! Yessssss pay the existing shareholders, locals and foreigns, a fair price when oil is high. And resell the company at a fair price when oil prices will be low...is Ricardo long term vision.
3) Wellll...he doesnt understand that with NO trust, the FDI will evaporate....not only in oil exploration....by definition. But he had not this vision...for now...of course !!!! Hmmmmm
4) It also happens that Petrobras will need over Us$ 200 billion in foreign money to develop their Tupi and Carioca oil fields. But Ricardo has not raised the question to himself of how this money is going to be found...if Petrobras is nationalized. Hmmmm
5) Ricardo, 6 months ago, had a great long term vision of why China with their foreign currencies reserves should invest US$ 200 billion...only in Brazil....of course. But he has of course not raised the possibility that the US$ 200 billion in fgn currencies Brazil has.....SHOULD/COULD BE USED...of course !!!! Hmmmmm....I wonder if Ricardo...doesnt need more fertilizers in the feijado filling his whole
brains !!!!!


And I can only repeat that having the WORLD highest interests rates...after inflation, and on top of that with the Brazilian Banks lending rates, with also the world highest spreads (on top of the Government Highest Borrowing rates) is beneficial to entrepreneurs, borrowers and mortgage rates...UNLESS they are GOVERNBMENT SUBSIDIZED....one way or the other !

And the higher....after inflation....borrowings rates are.....
A) the higher it will cost to the government on their annual budget, reducing their ability to develop infrastructure, healthcare, education, low cost housings.
B) the higher the re-lending costs will be to entrepreneurs etc etc
C) the higher the defaults rate will be, obliging banks to further increase their already high profit margin rates (spread)!!!!

Things the genius Ricardo had no time to think about...yet !!!!

Welll......my conclusion is simple :
- The Brazilian currency has not been strong due to the economic NON prowess, but simply by offering the World Highest Interests Rates...after inflation. And these rates are penalizing the whole economy.
No one, or few at best in Brazil, understand the Risk Free Investment strategy. Which in its basic form means :
- If I can invest, risk free with government bonds at lets say 14,5 n;nually for 5 years, my reward on my riskier investments (stocks or investments in private business) should be several percents HIGHER than the risk free rate of return.

Hmmmm....doubtful that the genius Ricardo has ever once thought about that. Because he simply knows nothing about investing....neither as an entrepreneur, nor as a clever long term investor.
Ch.c
written by João da Silva, July 27, 2008
And I can only repeat that having the WORLD highest interests rates...after inflation, and on top of that with the Brazilian Banks lending rates, with also the world highest spreads (on top of the Government Highest Borrowing rates) is beneficial to entrepreneurs, borrowers and mortgage rates...UNLESS they are GOVERNBMENT SUBSIDIZED....one way or the other !


Ch.c, you got me here. Is it "UNLESS they are Government subsidized" or "PROVIDED they are Government subsidized"?
Lets face it about Ricardo !!!!
written by The Guest, July 27, 2008
Ch.c has punched me out by writing about all of the issues that I intended to address after Ricardo had answered my question including the issue of renationalizing Petrobras. I wish I had gotten a chance to make the comments myself, but it is done.

Now, we continue to wait for answers Ricardo. Please educate us.
João
written by The Guest, July 27, 2008
"what did you think of the latest (and probably the last) Doha round of talks? I read that Argentina is furious with Brazil!"

I have to admit that I have not been paying attention to "the latest (and probably the last) Doha round of talks." I guess it is because I am not optimistic that they will be sucessful. Hopefully I will be proven wrong. Lets see.
The Guest
written by João da Silva, July 27, 2008
Thanks for the reply. But please read my last question to Ch.c. Did he mean "UNLESS" or "PROVIDED"? Or is my English going down the drain? smilies/grin.gif smilies/cheesy.gif

Ah, re your comment:

Ch.c has punched me out by writing about all of the issues that I intended to address after Ricardo had answered my question including the issue of renationalizing Petrobras. I wish I had gotten a chance to make the comments myself, but it is done.


Count on Ch.c to come barging in like a bull in a China shop smilies/wink.gif
João
written by The Guest, July 28, 2008
You are right the correct word should be "PROVIDED." I cannot believe Ch.c let that one slip by.

I am leaving for St. Kitts tommorrow morning and expect to be off of the internet for the month I am there. I was hoping Ricardo would have addressed our comments and questions before I left. Anyway, upon my return I look forward to his answers. See you here in a month.
The Guest
written by João da Silva, July 28, 2008
I am leaving for St. Kitts tommorrow morning and expect to be off of the internet for the month I am there. I was hoping Ricardo would have addressed our comments and questions before I left. Anyway, upon my return I look forward to his answers. See you here in a month.


I guess you are going to spend your one month vacation at home. Have a great stay in St.Kitts with your family. When are you scheduled to sail again to the ME?

You are right the correct word should be "PROVIDED." I cannot believe Ch.c let that one slip by.


I understood him perfectly well, but just wanted to make sure that the newcomers did too regarding his position on the high interest rates that can discourage potential entrepreneurs from launching projects that generate jobs. That is what Joseph was talking about, wasn't he?

Anyway, all the best and have a nice stay in St.Kitts and look forward to be in touch.

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written by hcb, July 30, 2008
I hear a lot of talk about interest rates, which is nice, and always relevant to a certain point. But the reality is that what Brazil really needs is reform that facilitates business and infrastructure development. There's too much bureaucracy. Tax reform is also urgently needed, which leads to one of the big, if not biggest problem in Brazil - excessive government spending.
Those are the real concerns to tackle in order to achieve long term, sustainable growth.
Ricardo Amaral
written by Tom Lloyds, July 31, 2008
Hi Ricardo C. Amara,

I have read your article, “The Smartest Thing China Could Do Right Now: Invest US$ 200 Billion in Brazil”. I think that it is breath taking to read your article. Please keep your hands off China.

With all the respect, if you ask Brazilian government to nationalize PBR, why should China invest in Brazil? You ask China to invest in Brazilian water. After so many years, when water is in high demand, you may ask Brazilian government to nationalize water after oil!

You ask China to invest on your dream of nuclear reactor, high speed Internet … etc. Why does not China invest in China? You are only a dreamer.

You also ask Brazilian government to adopt the New Asian Currency. You do not even have any understanding of Asia. I would say in 50 years time that Asia would not have that new Asian Currency. Chinese Yuan is not a free float currency.

Please keep your hands off China and Brazil as well. China is going to be a capitalist country. Why should China invest in a backward looking country, which you suggest.

Your PBR nationalization plan just simply keeps any foreign investment off Brazil in the future.

Regards,

Tom
just watch out - and behave
written by Coburg, August 07, 2008
If any emerging economies will benefit from the collapse of America, there will be two, possibly three giants: China and India; pure and simple. Possibly the reformed (still powerful) Russians will also find a place among the new big guys, primarily because it has big guns.

Brazil, despite all this recent overconfidence, will be lucky enough if it gets at all a place at the “Kiddies Table” during a Thanksgiving dinner party. More than likely, the kitty Brazilians will be well fed, and allowed to roam around a bit, but always under the watchful gaze of one of the grown ups at the big table; liable to be spoken down by a frowning any adult at any time, if found being naughty or feuding with the other emerging kids.

Aim for achieving Regional Hegemony! I think this is the most Brazilians can hope for.
As the U.S follows England’s path of decline from about a hundred years ago, the time is now due for more than one billion proud Chinese zealots to take the Yankee’s leading spot.

It’s a very likely scenario! With that in mind, I’d suggest Brazilians just start behaving now and stop roaming to loud or too far, lest the Chinese may already on the watch.

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written by Coburg, August 07, 2008
The forces at the core leading forward two of the emerging giants' great cause are their respective Communist Parties; even where it’s no longer officially in power.

The theoretical basis guiding their thinking remains Marxism-Leninism, despite the current, fancy imperialist surfaces, which in the end, will be shed like a dragon’s skin, so that their peoples can fully embrace the return of the true cause and resume the true path.

Since the successful national revolutions, there have been, naturally, communist parties in both great nations, without which the Marxist-Leninist revolutionary theory would not have been developed and inculcated into so many for so long. Once the dialectical forces inevitably trigger the materialistic carcass to drop, a new reformed covering will emerge based on its true foundation, as set by the wisdom of Lening and Mao.

But right now,it is time for Brazilians to enjoy the best Olympics the planet has ever seen, and reflect upon its future, the forthcoming age of Enlightment under a new world order.

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