Brazzil

This clearly demonstrate with simple facts how white Brazilians are racists......(swallow it).....against their own citizens.


but but but....white Brazilians (who else could it be) refute their racism against their own non whites citizens, through propagandas paid and ordered by the Government....of course.

How many times did I wrote that Brazilians are constantly cheating, lying and hiding....on a daily basis ?

You just got another proof.

And there is no need as you do, to put a minimum percentage of University places for the blacks, if these blacks did not get first an acceptable regular education...by definition.
It is like saying to someone with a non or bad basic education......ohhhh yessssss there is room for you at the University....even with government subsidizes !!!!

Hmmmmm that doesnt smell right. In fact it is very stinky the ways you act.

Again....what is surfacing is.....cheating, lying and hiding !!!

Bin Lula and his 4000 thieves and liars can say whatever they want.....and you swallow it....and applaude them !!!!

The man with itchy genItalia living north of Italia.

CHC, don’t be late for your enema!

Luv U

Costa

U Luv Me ?
U as a male Luv Me ?
Or U as female Luv Me ?
Or U Luv Me.....for my money ?

And I also see that your counter arguments are as usual as empty as your brains.

but but but....white Brazilians (who else could it be) refute their racism against their own non whites citizens, through propagandas paid and ordered by the Government....of course.

Not everyone refutes the idea. I have, apart from a few here, been saying that we have racism issues in Brazil. A Brazilian believes that we don't have racism in Brazil, but we do, and until we get face-to-face with the problem, blacks will unfortunately be discriminated.

Bernardo, excellent work, but you don't include your e-mail, do you mind publishing it?

Shelly… strongly believes in homosexual equal rights… to a certain extent, I must agree, we are all human beings after all.

However, she went way beyond her call of duty (no surprises here), insisting that her son play with dolls, wears her lipstick, and wears her dresses to seduce his little buddies.

Come On Now… That’s too much! Don’t force the little one to follow his father’s footsteps.

I protest…

Costinha

The man with itchy genItalia living north of Italia.

You did not show up to your weekly enema session, why? Now you will have to deal with your usual constipation!

But look on the bright side, at least we all know that you are full of s..h..i..t.

Yours truly,

Costinha da Costa

Hi Shelly, you can contact Bernardo @ Ed_bernardo@hotmail.com.
Thanks for the kind words.
Bernardo

The high hopes I held for Edison Bernardo Desouza as a budding "Investigative Reporter" were shattered after reading this latest article of his.Many writers have touched upon this issue, including our good Senator Buarque. What Edison is trying to do is to join the club of reporters that suddenly became concerned (temporarily, of course) about our Afro brethren and never ever before addressed the root cause of their sufferings.The press and the reporters conveniently forgets about our "white" brethren who are being massacred too.

One advice to Edison: Be different from the "Opportunistic" reporters. Take my advice or ignore it. The choice is yours and it does not matter to me what you decide.

i agree with the article...

i wouldnt like to see brasil behave like the usa , with its tremendous racial division, but, there are racial issues that need to be dealt with

Joao, we all take your advice and ignore what you wrote. It really does not make really any sense. Thanks for the advice.

It really does not make really any sense.

In general, my comments do not make any sense to shallow people.

Joao, we all take your advice and ignore what you wrote.

Please do so.

Thanks for the advice.

You are most welcome.

The same BS as always. Those statistics are manipulated.

First of all the number of blacks is only around 7%. The "magic" they do to increase to almost 50% is to "one-drop" everybody, even those that have no african ancestry, like many mixed of whites and indians in the north of Brazil. So any mixed individual becomes "black" that way. There were public manifestations against the numbers published by IBGE and there are mixed people movements popping up everywhere to fight against the black racism.

Many intellectuals and artists have signed a letter and delivered it to the government complaining about the racist laws PT plans to implement, including the one where the state will define who is black and who is not, in an incredible turn of events, making Brazil retrocede a century in history.

LULA, the boss of the criminal organization running Brazil, PEDE PARA SAIR, VAGABUNDO!

One question. If a "black" (defined as such according to the US one-drop rule) gets the marks to get into university, will his path be blocked because he is "black"?

If a "black" in Brazil (defined according to US one-drop rule) is wealthy, will he face discrimination? Pele said there was no racial discrimination in Brazil, saying that that was something that concerned countries like the US, South Africa and Germany. Why would he have said this?

When did Brazil end its Jim Crow? When were one-drop "blacks" in Brazil allowed to drink from the same water fountains as non-one-drop Brazilians? When were the laws prohibiting miscegenation removed from Brazil's statute books. When were one-drop "black" Brazilians allowed to ride at the front of the bus?

Why are increasing numbers of Brazilians so intent on mimicking America's stark racial division? What have Brazilians got to learn from Americans about race relations? Should Brazilians begin consulting Germans about how they should relate to their Jewish population? The absurdity of it all!

But I'll finish with the question I began with. If a one-drop "black" in Brazil got the necessary marks to enter into a university course, would the university bar him entry because he is (one-drop) "black"? Has it ever been the case in Brazilian history that he would have been barred entry into university on account of possessing one drop of this so-called "black" blood? The issue essentially revolves around this question.

i would never sugget folowing the united states with racial issues. the racial division there is bad.

but, to think brazil has escaped its slavery past and is in some kind of unique space of racial existence is not true also

brazil was one of the last countries to abolish slavery, and, had one of the largest slave populations of all the americas.

they kept bringing slaves to brazil after this, especialy porto das galinhas,the galinhas referring to the ileagal slaves

there are ridiculas media situations in brazil where there are very few afro brzilians represented. the three top female singers from bahia now are daniela mercury, ivette sangalo and claudia leite...nothing against these fine entertainers, but, where are the highly talented afro brazilian female singers ( besides margete menezes)?only a fool would think they dont exist.

poverty is passed down generation to generation, from slavery, like riches are passed down generation to generation by the the wealthy...a certain amount of people can escape it, but, far too many afro brazilians are still entrapped in the forces that brought slavery to the americas.

again, i have no desire to see brazil copy the united states, but, thinking that racial issues arnt a big problem in brazil is living in a state of denial

daniela mercury

Daniela Mercury parents aren't from Brazil, if I am right her father is Italian and her mother from Portugal (not sure). She is in my opinion in a whole different category.

poverty is passed down generation to generation, from slavery, like riches are passed down generation to generation by the the wealthy...a certain amount of people can escape it, but, far too many afro brazilians are still entrapped in the forces that brought slavery to the americas.

again, i have no desire to see brazil copy the united states, but, thinking that racial issues arnt a big problem in brazil is living in a state of denial

On the one hand, poverty is a generational inheritance, stemming (in Brazil's case) from slavery. On the other hand, it'd got to do with race.

Is race causally relevant or incidental here? Are the darker-skinned Brazilians poor because they are discriminated against by lighter-skinned Brazilians, or because (as you suggest) they had no wealth to inherit, since their fathers (and their fathers' fathers) were poor?

I think we're conflating two separate issues here.

the three top female singers from bahia now are daniela mercury, ivette sangalo and claudia leite

I've seen a number of music videos in which Daniela Mercury or Ivete Sangalo have as their paramours a strapping baiano of non-too-pale complexion. If the music market that has made these ladies famous is racist, as you claim, then why would successful music videos have their olive-skinned heroines pining after a preto?

In "Carro Velho", for example, Ivete Sangalo shows her racism by singing the following words: Quero meu negão do lado.... She compounds this by having herself in the music video (below) pick up a number of bainos who are anything but pale.

These racist Brazilians, I tell ya! Livin' in denial! You must listen to the Americans! They know what they are talking about! (I suppose they would, in a way.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJg8JSvsUf0

Not to be outdone, her fellow baiana, Daniela Mercury, goes to such lengths to keep her fellow dark baianos at arm's length that in her famour song "Rapunzel" (which features in the chorus the words "o amor de Julieta e Romeo") she has only pale Brazilians dancing with her. Such is the racism of a (relatively) light-skinned Brazilian like Daniela Mercury and the (no doubt) light-skinned Brazilian audience that buys her music that she wouldn't feature herself surrounded by dark-skinned baianos in her music video. The link to the music clip for "Rapunzel" is below:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jX2-qgZ0wqE

This endemic racism in Brazil's music industry notwithstanding, I don't think even the most observant of American observers would deny that there are many dark-skinned Brazilians who are and have been very famous in Brazil. Take Gilberto Gil or Jorge Ben Jor as two examples. On the one hand, the fame and popularity of Mercuy and Sangalo is evidence of Brazilian racism. On the other hand, the decades-long presence of Gilberto Gil and Jorge Ben Jor is evidence of ... what? The same racism?

It seems this whole debate is a case of: heads you win, tails I lose, eh?

People, I guess, will believe what they want to believe, even in the face of all the contrary evidence staring them in the face. If they want to imitate Americans and pretend to have their problems, then it seems there is little one can do to dissuade them from taking this course.

again, i have no desire to see brazil copy the united states, but, thinking that racial issues arnt a big problem in brazil is living in a state of denial

I still fail to see how racial issues are a problem in Brazil. Remember: correlation does not equal causation. I hope I have gone some way toward demonstrating that.

By the way, when Xuxa was dating Pele back in the Eighties (her launching pad to fame), was such a union seen to be controversial or tabboo? You see, the same thing occurring in the US would have been tabboo. Even in these days where anything goes, it would still be considered in the US at the very least risque, pushing the envelope and iconoclastic. It would be far from natural. But was it ever controversial in Brazil that Pele was dating Xuxa?

white people in Brazil get really offended when they hear the word racism. They are offended, because just like Joao da Silva, they are selfish, they want power, and Brazilians do like to think that they are better than the Americans, while they are dying to go to USA and to Britain and France, but not stay in Brazil.

The Truth is the white class in Brazil is amongst one of the worst in the world, because they are elitist, while they have the money and the power, Brazil rich and wealthy do not move a finger to create an equally racial society.

What amazes me is the fact that white people give themselves the right to say that racism do not exist, how can you say that , when you are not a black person whose ancestry is a slave or mixed with an Indian.
Portuguese literature is filled with romance love stories of Portuguese settlers falling in love with Indian girl from Amazon. Isn´t this considered rape?

I think people should be more objective, and be realistic. There are huge historical differences between black and white. Yes, white folks are guilty for that, as white people were guilty for Nazzi, as China is defying Tibet, and African countries are starving.

Yes, you people need to be more mature and first of all accept the fact your ancestry did horrible things, when talking about white people, we know it is not your fault, but instead of applying self-denial rule, think how could you make a difference.

Klu Klux Klan exists in US, but in Sao Paulo you have also have hatred groups. People are so sickening patriots, it is not about patriotism, it is about justice and making this planet a better place to live.

I bet none of these people who are so willing to say, there is not racism in Brazil never volunteered for any anti-discrimination institution.

I feel sad for white people who are so offended for not wanting to be called racist. You know what do something then, put your money where your mouth is, and do something about how can we make an equal society.

It is so exhausting to see Brazilians talking how America is racist, and this. The only way Brazilians can justify their wrongdoing is by blaming another society, while not focusing on their. Fix your society, make your country a first world nation, otherwise, whether you call it mixed race, white, or whatever, you will just be an underdeveloped state, self denial prevents healing, you should know this by now, especially you Joao da Silva.

even if i dont agree with all you have said, i apreciete your effort ...

xuxa is a great example of having a show in brazil that featured all blonds in the cast of xuxettes....

i wouldnt compare brazilian racial atitudes with american. thank god brazil is not like that. but, what i am saying is, brazil cant escape their past with slavery. the americas cant escape their past with slavery.

all countries that brought slaves from africa, are severly affected socialy and culturaly , for better or for worse.each one has to deal or not deal with it in their own way.

good point about whether a descendant of slaves with no wealth to inherit is discriminated against or just a result of his circumstances.im not saying i know the answer to that, but, it is in the interest of each society in the americas who have many descendants of slaves who are still stuck in poverty, to confront those issues.

in brazil, people may choose to confront it or not, but, if they chose to not aknowledge it, its still a festering wound in society that is swept under the rug.

what it creates, is an underworld, a seperate society that exists along side the above ground society.and, the results can be seen in daily reports of crime and crowded jails and violence.

that is why those issues need to be addressed, it is in each perspective country in the americas, that owned slaves, to do so

shelly, even more interesting if daniela is of that ancestry, claudia leite is from rio , even, but, gets big space on the trio electrico

and, braz, sure there are other afro brazilian artists who have sucess, even with the racist climate of the united states, many black performers were succesful , there, yet, many more white artists made huge sucesses using african american culture. and, this surly is the case of those three singers. we dont get to know their dancers names, these white entertainers, who are fine talents, get a spot in the light and there are few afro bahian females getting that spot...yes, these companies are making desicians that they think will sell more records, but, they dont make a lot of good desicians anyway. huge amounts of crap gets released by these people that doesnt sell anything. it just reflects their limited vision

white people in Brazil get really offended when they hear the word racism. They are offended, because just like Joao da Silva, they are selfish, they want power, and Brazilians do like to think that they are better than the Americans, while they are dying to go to USA and to Britain and France, but not stay in Brazil.

What do you know about Brazil? Not only the whites, but many mixed and blacks are against the American racism a few is trying to implement in Brazil. Check this out: http://nacaomestica.org/

This is not a black vs. white issue. This is a Brazil vs. black racism problem. We don't have to recognize what doesn't exist and we don't need to justify anything. Stop planting the seeds of hate wherever you go. If you want to hate someone, say home and consume yourself with hate. Nobody will care, I guarantee.

Brazil will be a better place after all black racists are hunted down, the same way neo-nazis are.

I bet none of these people who are so willing to say, there is not racism in Brazil never volunteered for any anti-discrimination institution.

In Brazil racism is a crime. This is as much as anti-discrimination it can get, and it is more than what the US managed to do in its entire history.

We are at least a century ahead of you in race relations.

only way Brazilians can justify their wrongdoing is by blaming another society,

What!? You come into my home, you call my relatives rapists and murderers and I am the one accusing "other countries". f**k OFF! Get the hell out of here and stay in the s**thole you have come from.

This is simply illogical. American racists, as we can see by many examples here, can't produce a single line of logical thought whose cause and effects actually make sense.

what it creates, is an underworld, a seperate society that exists along side the above ground society.and, the results can be seen in daily reports of crime and crowded jails and violence.

I think it is created by the volition of the criminals themselves. What about people taking responsibility for their own actions, just for once. This leftist madness is the cancer in our society.

white people in Brazil get really offended when they hear the word racism. They are offended, because just like Joao da Silva, they are selfish, they want power, and Brazilians do like to think that they are better than the Americans, while they are dying to go to USA and to Britain and France, but not stay in Brazil.

I am really horrified to read that you have singled me out as an example of Brazilian White Racism against which I have been fighting all through my life.Providing jobs and uplifting the lives of my black brethren. Now it has come to a point that I can not even say to my good friends "Hey Negão, lets have a beer?" You f**k wont even understand what I am saying, because you are from Mexico where your ancestors, the Spaniards decimated the entire Indian population. You stop trying to drive a wedge between our beloved Criolo brethren and us the Southerners. If u want to engage in your "divide and rule" policy, go and try in Argentina, because of your Hispanic up(or Down) bringing.

Fix your society, make your country a first world nation, otherwise, whether you call it mixed race, white, or whatever, you will just be an underdeveloped state, self denial prevents healing, you should know this by now, especially you Joao da Silva.

There again, I take umbrage sir, for singling me out for all the ills of our Great Republic. Every single blogger in this site knows that you are a pompous idiot who is quite limited intellectually.

xuxa is a great example of having a show in brazil that featured all blonds in the cast of xuxettes....

On the one hand, Xuxa's show featuring a caste of blondes is a sign of Brazil's and her racism. On the other hand, her dating of Pele (never considered taboo by her society) is a sign of her and her society's racism.

Heads you win. Tails I lose.

i wouldnt compare brazilian racial atitudes with american. thank god brazil is not like that. but, what i am saying is, brazil cant escape their past with slavery. the americas cant escape their past with slavery.

Slavery has been around forever. Societies simply absorbed their slave populations after a while. America's is probably the first society in history to not only have failed to absorb its previously slave population, but to altogether refuse to -- to the extent of actually having not too long ago in her statute books laws prohibiting such absorption. For Brazil to all of a sudden start to pretend that it likewise has refused to absorb its slave population, thereby producing a distinct community with its own marginalized identity born of exclusion and thus a strong color identity (the basis on which it is excluded, and so the basis of their focus and emphasis) -- is absurd. Brazil, like all the other societies in history that had slavery, has simply absorbed its former slave population, and got on with it. For the Americans to come suddenly rushing in saying that this is not the case, and that in fact Brazil suffers from the same racial problems they do (namely their failure, nay, refusal to absorb their population of African ancestry, for fear it may be biologically dysgenic) is the height of absurdity.

good point about whether a descendant of slaves with no wealth to inherit is discriminated against or just a result of his circumstances.im not saying i know the answer to that, but, it is in the interest of each society in the americas who have many descendants of slaves who are still stuck in poverty, to confront those issues.

I have spoken about the inculcation of middle-class values as a solution in the comments section of the Barack Obama article.

in brazil, people may choose to confront it or not, but, if they chose to not aknowledge it, its still a festering wound in society that is swept under the rug.

Poverty and an under-class is one thing, racism is another. Let's not needlessly conflate the two.

and, braz, sure there are other afro brazilian artists who have sucess, even with the racist climate of the united states, many black performers were succesful , there, yet, many more white artists made huge sucesses using african american culture. and, this surly is the case of those three singers. we dont get to know their dancers names, these white entertainers, who are fine talents, get a spot in the light and there are few afro bahian females getting that spot...yes, these companies are making desicians that they think will sell more records, but, they dont make a lot of good desicians anyway. huge amounts of crap gets released by these people that doesnt sell anything. it just reflects their limited vision

It was you who brought up the "evidence" of Daniela Mercury, Ivete Sangalo and Claudia Leite as demonstrating Brazilian racism. I pointed out Gilberto Gil and Jorge Ben Jor to neutralise that argument. My point was specifically to do with the Brazilian music industry, showing that your argument didn't carry any weight.

You say that the music-company execs make decisions to specifically choose light-skinned baianas to showcase Bahian music in order to maximise sales. But they also saw it fit to put our olive-skinned heroine, Daniela Mercury, pursuing one negao after another in her music video for "Carro Velho". If the music execs are racist against dark-skinned Brazilians, why would they have Daniela do something like that in a popular song? Wouldn't that offend against Brazilians' sense of propriety and decency as it would Americans?

Here's the video in case you don't believe me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJg8JSvsUf0

What do you know about Brazil? Not only the whites, but many mixed and blacks are against the American racism a few is trying to implement in Brazil. Check this out: http://nacaomestica.org/

This is not a black vs. white issue. This is a Brazil vs. black racism problem. We don't have to recognize what doesn't exist and we don't need to justify anything. Stop planting the seeds of hate wherever you go. If you want to hate someone, say home and consume yourself with hate. Nobody will care, I guarantee.

Brazil will be a better place after all black racists are hunted down, the same way neo-nazis are.

Just one such "Afro-American" is Adrian Erik McKray. He's been making a nuisance of himself in Bahia over the last few years, infecting the local population with this insidious American disease of racial division. I tried to talk some sense into him some years back, but to no avail.

Here's his website:

http://members.aol.com/adrianerik/

But it's encouraging to see (as per that link you give) that Brazilians are organising amongst themselves to repulse this evil invasion that will help Brazil absolutely nought. Keep up the good work!

Brazuca, Adrian Erik is a hero and you are pathetic. I don't know if you are actually who you say you are or a White Supremacist posing as an African. I suggest you get some help.

Anyway, go Obama!!!!!

Adrian Erik is a vector of a deadly disease, one destined to keep those it infects sick with mental and moral poverty.

Obama's just a puppet of Zbigniew Brzezinski. Zbigniew says, "Jump!", and Obama says, "How high?"

You guys are hopeless. Leave Brazil in peace. Please!

SIC? Which word is spelled incorrectly? And what is this obsession
with Zbigniew? He has had almost no role in Obama's campaign. How about a specific refutation, with citations, of all of those works that document the racism in Brazil. Otherwise, folks should pay little attention to you when you go on a rant.

Sad, sad sad......

Wow! I must be doing something right to keep you this obsessive for years. Thanks for the web address, Mr Ugandan "My people are better than other Africans" Tutsi. I had forgot about this old site, after I left AOL but now I can "mata saudades" with the fotos of my friends.

Soooo...how are you, kiddo? Still chasing white women in Australia and dreaming of a "deluxe feminine" Brazilian babe. Those were your words, weren't they?

Things are fine, here. I'm still "corrupting" Brazilians with Physics and Mathematics and English. A wonderful group of young people in Sao Tome (mostly black, indians and a few white kids.) Sao Tome is in Bahia's periferia -- the poor suburbs of Salvador on the Bay of All Saints. Beautiful vista. Unlike my kids in CanaBrava, which is a poor neighborhood built near Salvador's landfill. It's one step above hell...but I am "corrupting" the kids there also. Some of them are getting the message: they no longer are satisfied selling fruits or pasteles or waiting outside of supermarkets to carry food for the middle-class or running to Barra to catch the eyes of your fellow gringos eager to trade dollars and Euros for their bodies. They actually have the nerve to dream of college and a better life. Horrible, isn't it?

Where can I start with your nonsense? You signed off "LEAVE BRAZIL IN PEACE." Peace? So, now you're a comedian. The politicians here steal about 1/3 of the national budget (we're talking billions of dollars), the police in Rio are running the drug trade and their Extermination Squads are massacring young poor black youths in Bahia and rich businessmen are buying high-tech equipment so that they can lay off thousands of workers while getting richer and increasing Brazil's Gross National Product and the jails are full and mental health facilities are being overrun with Brazilians who can't take it any more and you, the a*****e who has been here all of what...two weeks?, say LEAVE BRAZIL IN PEACE! Que malouco! (that means you are a nice guy. LOL)

In the Amazons (Para, Rondonia, Mato Grosso), the lumber cartels are destroying the forest and terrorizing the people in the small towns who dared complain. I'll send you the address to a video of a reporter who tried to investigate this and the MAYOR led a mob to kill him.

LEAVE BRAZIL IN PEACE!

In Salvador, there is a Carnaval Committee who have controlled Bahia's carnaval, which is notorious for excluding black carnaval groups. Now, aside from Olodum or Timbalada or Margareth Menezes, they refuse to allow them to march in Barra, near the beach, in front of the Television cameras. Any no-talent white group, who have nothing to do with Barra, can suddenly get a spot, but the beautiful choreography and music of the "afoxes" are relegated to the back alleys.

So it goes....

Oh! In America...during the height of racism and the daily lynchings of black people, guess who were the premier musicians and music in America: Jazz and be-bop, played by black musicians. I guess that means that America wasn't racist during that time. Hmmm! Who would have figured that?

I won't even waste my time with racism in Brazil. In the Folho de Sao Paulo, one of Brazil's newspapers, 80% of Brazilians say that it exists. There is no need to compare Brazilian racism with American racism, just as there is no need to compare the Nazis who killed 6 million Jews with the Hutus who killed 1 million of your fellow Tutsis. Which was worse? (Wow...the abysmal silence of the Hypocrite!)

Comparisons tend to divert attention from the problem, don't they?

Anyway, look me up, when you come to Salvador. Bring some Tim Tams with you. I'll introduce you to some of the folks here and you can convince them that it's their behaviour that's causing all of their problems and that Brazil is a racial democracy and the reason why Shopping Barra and Shopping Iguatemi and Shopping Salvador cannot find one black person in a city that is 80% black to work there is their own fault. It seems that black people in Salvador don't know how to sell shoes or scoop mango ice cream out of a bucket.

Okay, Brazuca...once again, thanks for the big-up. Do I owe you anything?

I won't even waste my time with racism in Brazil. In the Folho de Sao Paulo, one of Brazil's newspapers, 80% of Brazilians say that it exists.

And since when this is a measure for reality? So reality now is a democracy, and the vote of majority decides what is real? Only in the fantasy world of the racist ideologues.

This is the main problem. Real for you, the lefttists, is just a matter of convincing a bunch of idiots about something through propaganda. You don't really care about the truth.

http://nacaomestica.org/

Brazilians aren't buying it.

LEAVE BRAZIL IN PEACE! Que malouco! (that means you are a nice guy. LOL)

Except that none of the security problems you mentioned have to do with racism, but you used them nonetheless to give your little text the appearance of truth.

You must be a bit tired, sir. Your post doesn't make sense. It's a bit silly. Why not sleep on it and try it again. Vc e' Deus? You know the beliefs of all Brazilians? A bit arrogant, aren't we? God doesn't like that.

Do you know what sarcasm is? Look it up. That's my point with
Brazuca...the 'latino' Ugandan Aussie. As far as racism in Brazil...I don't waste my time proving that grama e' verde.

Did you notice in Ali Kamel's book that he quoted statistics from anthropologists and sociologists and repeatedly stated that they wouldn't agree with his conclusions. Veja, in an interview stated that Kamel's sociology degree, nearly 30 years ago, qualified him to make these conclusions. Despite the fact that Kamel has never worked in the field of sociology. Not one day. He is a reporter. And the very professionals who gave him his data, disagree with him. (they must be lefties and educated at USP, huh?). I guess, like you, Kamel is arrogant enough to know what ALL Brazilians think.

You've made some really silly remarks on this thread...however...the olympics are on...we'll talk later.

boa noite

Ai, meu querido Adrian Erik! Ai, cara, where've you been, old buddy, old mate? Man, I've missed you! Still hanging out with those, ah, ladies of ill repute ... Boricua, etc? (Guess I shouldn't say that.)

Soooo...how are you, kiddo? Still chasing white women in Australia and dreaming of a "deluxe feminine" Brazilian babe. Those were your words, weren't they?

I'm fine, mate. I don't do chasing. And, yes, I am looking forward to bagging my morena gostosinha on my wife-hunting expedition if I don't become waylaid by one of my countrywomen in the meantime. (If I decide to stay here and follow a political career, for example, then it would be more politically amenable and sensible to marry one of the locals.)

Things are fine, here. I'm still "corrupting" Brazilians with Physics and Mathematics and English.

So you're actually teaching them useful stuff now! Shows that my efforts must have paid off somewhat. Wassamatta -- been reading Thomas Sowell lately or something? Whatever happened to excuse-making?

A wonderful group of young people in Sao Tome (mostly black, indians and a few white kids.)

Yes, you had to mention that most important of characteristics -- not their content of character or their individual personalities. No, their skin colour; superficial physical characteristics. Without which your whole worldview, your whole raison d'etre would be non-existent. Yes, that's what matters -- that this kid is "black", or "indian" or "white". Tell me, mate: are any of the kids there simply Brazilian? No doubt about it -- you're an American!

They actually have the nerve to dream of college and a better life. Horrible, isn't it?

And Ivete Sangalo and Daniela Mercury had been stopping them all this time, by not having them in their music videos, it would seem.

The politicians here steal about 1/3 of the national budget (we're talking billions of dollars)

Same us in the US. Just more -- what's that term y'all like so much in reference to Brazil's racial situation? -- just more subtle, that's it.

the police in Rio are running the drug trade and their Extermination Squads are massacring young poor black youths in Bahia

The drug trade is run by the CIA and has been for yonks. The victims of the drug trade in the US are disproportionately your "bruvvas" in the inner-suburban racial ghettoes of your cities.

and rich businessmen are buying high-tech equipment so that they can lay off thousands of workers while getting richer and increasing Brazil's Gross National Product

The US's whole industrial capacity was dismantled in the Eighties by Volker and the Wall Street lot and shipped off to Asia. What's the difference?

and the jails are full

The US has 2 million people in jail, for goodness' sake! I guess with you the jails are always fuller on the other side.

and mental health facilities are being overrun with Brazilians who can't take it any more

Isn't it America where there is unparalleled consumption of all sorts of anxiety drugs like prozac?

In the Amazons (Para, Rondonia, Mato Grosso), the lumber cartels are destroying the forest and terrorizing the people in the small towns who dared complain.

In the US they have the Patriot Act, where habeus corpus has been suspended and the nation is moving towards a police fascist (i.e. corporatist) state.

Why don't you fix Philly first before you go off and make a nuisance of yourself elsewhere, eh, sonny?

In Salvador, there is a Carnaval Committee who have controlled Bahia's carnaval, which is notorious for excluding black carnaval groups. Now, aside from Olodum or Timbalada or Margareth Menezes, they refuse to allow them to march in Barra, near the beach, in front of the Television cameras.

Aside from Oldum or Timbalada...? I see. Work on it, bruvva.

You're not gonna be like that other guy complaining about Ivete and Daniela only to have me make his argument go kasplat? It gets a bit tiresome after a while.

Oh! In America...during the height of racism and the daily lynchings of black people, guess who were the premier musicians and music in America: Jazz and be-bop, played by black musicians. I guess that means that America wasn't racist during that time. Hmmm! Who would have figured that?

Using that logic, your argument above re Carnaval and musicians is turned on its head.

I won't even waste my time with racism in Brazil. In the Folho de Sao Paulo, one of Brazil's newspapers, 80% of Brazilians say that it exists.

I don't think I have to add to what A Brazilian said to that, in his usual, deft application of logic. Except to say that, using that logic, when Brazilians universally proclaimed their country to be a racial democracy and free of racism, they must ipso facto have been right! If the majority is by definition right, why have the likes of you been working so hard to change the majority's apparently always-right opinion?

You're an illogical person, Adrien. Work on your logic first and get back to me, eh? When it comes to reason and logic, it is you who is the "kiddo".

There is no need to compare Brazilian racism with American racism, just as there is no need to compare the Nazis who killed 6 million Jews with the Hutus who killed 1 million of your fellow Tutsis. Which was worse?

Makes you wonder why genocide is considered worse than a massacre; or why a mass killing is worse than the killing of an individual. Funny world we live in, where people take into account the degree of something.

Using your logic (there's that word again with which you so desperately need to become familiar), does that mean there's no point claiming that the racism in the US of the past (Jim Crow, etc.) is worse than the racism of today (de facto segregation, etc.)?

If comparisons of degree are illegitimate, what is the point of expending so much energy and effort and so much bluster trying to change the degree of alleged racism in Brazil?

Nigga, what is it with you and logic?!? Did some big fat person called Logic sit on you when you were a kid?

-Comparisons tend to divert attention from the problem, don't they?

The problem, if I'm not too mistaken, is the, ah, comparisons made -- by those who can't help noticing these things -- between the living standards of lighter-skinned Brazilians and darker-skinned Brazilians, and the differing causes people ascribe to the effect?

There's that logic thing again...

Anyway, look me up, when you come to Salvador. Bring some Tim Tams with you. I'll introduce you to some of the folks here and you can convince them that it's their behaviour that's causing all of their problems and that Brazil is a racial democracy and the reason why Shopping Barra and Shopping Iguatemi and Shopping Salvador cannot find one black person in a city that is 80% black to work there is their own fault. It seems that black people in Salvador don't know how to sell shoes or scoop mango ice cream out of a bucket.

I might pass by, actually. Mustn't distract you from your important task of charging at windmills.

Tchau.

"Brazilians UNIVERSALLY proclaim...."

That's funny. Did you laugh when you wrote it?

Ahhhh...Brazuca...facts of life versus your theories still throw you off, don't they? And you still can't read! That's okay, kiddo...close your eyes...click your heels three times, pray...and then let's see what happens. It worked for Dorothy. Oh, I forgot...she was in Oz, trying to get back to reality. And you are in Australia, trying to get to Oz. Failing that, you create it in your mind. A magic land of deluxe mulatta women who know their place and where equality flourishes like lilies in the field. Glorious Brasil! Brasil? Whew! It's okay, kiddo. A life based upon dreams is better than nothing.

I would love it if Brazil treated my kids based upon their characters. They are wonderful kids. Noble. Good morals. Ambitious. Unfortunately, these 'other' Brazilians don't do that. And they know it! Hmmm, maybe they don't know it. So many Brazilians remain in their bubbles and peer at these 'other' fellow Brazilians through their windshields as they hop from on safe bubble to another.

Come to Brazil, Brazuca! Hurry. Let's me and you talk to them. The Appolonians AND the Dionysians. (that's funny. Wow! How little of Brazil you know). Good God, man, get in the field sometimes. Get your hands dirty. You can't read a book on agriculture and think you know how to grow corn. What's the worse that can happen? "Ye shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free."


Unfortunately, I didn't see the well-reasoned arguments that you allude to in these posts. (if a kid in the favelas, raised with good morals and discipline, can be a doctor...then why the hell are these stupid middle-class Brazilians paying R$12,000 a year to keep their kids out of those horrid public schools and sending them to private schools? Why were these glorious immigrants, with these so-called non-'Dionysian' values in such horrid, inferior positions in their native countries: excluded, oppressed, unable to advance in a society that did not favor them?)

Hmmmm....

Anyway...Brazuca...as I've said many times...I usually don't give much time to the people sitting in the stands. You're fat, sloppy, unskilled and have never set foot on the playing field. You wear the team jerseys and your body twitches and jerks as if you are making the kick, but you are just some slob sitting in the stand, escaping from the realities that surround you.

Embora! You're always welcome to join the fray.

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The fray? What fray is that? Making a nuisance of yourself? Is Philly all fixed up, is it? Up for your next assignment? I hear there's a lot of poor Indians. And you'll find that they're suitably dark-skinned -- albeit with straight hair. (But then your sistas back in Philly go to great lengths to straigten their hair.)

Look, this is all because of that Iranian civilian airline flight you helped shoot down, isn't it? Rather than talking it all out with somebody, you're taking it out on the poor Bahians. Off to some fantasy "black" neverland, where everything is the fault of some mysterious "white" man who is omnipresent, hovering in the shadows.

It's funny. One in three of your young bruvas back in Philly and places like that is being processed through the penal system at any one time. In Washington, DC, something like 90% of your very young bruvas are born out of wedlock. Do you know what the likely social outcomes are for these little bruvas denied a secure family environment in which to grow? The institution of the bruva family in the United States of America has collapsed!

And here you are thinking you're making all the difference in the world going to Bahia and making a nuisance of yourself. Mate, take a look back home. Take a look at the out-of-wedlock birth-rate amongst this bruva community of yours -- out of control. If the next generation hasn't a secure family environment in which to grow, then the next generation is finished. All you're gonna get is this fearfully dystopian future for inner-urban America.

But in the meantime, you're down in Salvador. Making all the difference in the world. Getting your "hands dirty".

Gimme a break. All this from a mishap involving development of the Aegis system. Aayayay.

Getting desperate, are we?

I like you. You make me seem to be one helluva person. Wow! I love it!

Hey, remember that earthquake in China....that's right....that was me, buddy. You never know...I might even be your daddy.

Seriously...the hypocrisy you've just exhibited about events you know little about is evident in your beliefs which support this militarism of the United States. I do not. The very people you quote as a foundation for your philsophies are those responsible for choosing bombs over diplomacy. But then, you are a "Yes sir, no sir" soldier in the Aussie army. I guess I should expect no less.

Come on, Brazuca...you can do better than this.


tchau

You've got deep-seated unresolved issues. I suppose if you're now teaching practical stuff like physics and maths, you're not doing much damage. That seems to be an improvement from the excuse-making you were offering before. Let's hope you've stopped advocating for the quota nonsense as well. If this is your cartharsis, then I suppose as long as you stick to the practical stuff and stop with the excuse-making and quota-advocating, then you're not longer doing much damage. But otherwise, seek some help. No help damaging other people just because you yourself are damaged. All the best.

(tee-hee)

Do you know how silly you sound while scooping your fingers into the mud, looking for some to throw, letting more fall on you than leave your clammy fingers?

Don't get carried away with your 'god-complex', son. Your 'supposes' are insignificant here. Who cares what you suppose?

In a gut and visceral sense, you don't exist. You WANT to be somebody, yet you don't know how. That's why you create your make-believe world and tremble if somebody causes ripples in your illusion and steps upon your carefully crafted castle of sand. But it's going crumble, one way or the other, meu filho.

I would like you to to come to Brazil because I don't think that you would last a year. Hey! You'll probably find your mulatta and....

...ahhhh...I was going to take some swipes at ya, but I'll behave.

Since, in your mind, I'm now 'harmless'...you're now free, aren't you? Good. I'm happy for you. You can stop pouting and return to building your castles. Don't let me raise your blood pressure...because you damn sure don't have any effect upon mine.


toodle-lee-do

...because you damn sure don't have any effect upon mine.

It shows. LOL

white brazilian s suffer a lot of discrimination, they live like they were in prison, they are treatened every day by black racists, and criminals.

most foreigners love to criticise brazil bugt they have never been there, and even those who had , have no idea of what is realy going on.
and as soon as they get robed , beaten, and even killed by a black person they start to understand why many white brazilian don like black mens, and is not only aboult liking , is aboult money, white brasilians like blacks more than americans, but they cant aford to pay 50% of the poppulation a fortune that the black americans demand. many black brazilians have no responsability , no father, they don give a s**t, and that is why they are underclassed.