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Has the Brazilian Judiciary Become a Mafia? PDF Print E-mail
2005 - January 2005
Written by Augusto Zimmermann   
Monday, 03 January 2005 21:09

Brazilian Supreme CourtThe Brazilian judiciary has historically been so rife with corruption and nepotism that one could spend years writing on them. They are indeed very old problems, and still very much a serious problem in these days.

To give just an idea of how the problem is deep-rooted, we may for example mention a curious fact that happened in colonial times. In 1676, a judge from the High Court of Bahia refused to vacate his rented house and, afterwards, did not allow the landlord even to be heard before ‘his’ court.(1)

Today’s corruption in the Brazilian judiciary is certainly not a problem restricted to court functionaries. Judges have been regularly accused of a vast range of corrupt activities, which goes from diverging public funds to passing lenient sentences against dangerous criminals.(2)

In 2003, the police found that a judge from Brazil’s Superior Court of Justice (STJ), the second highest court in the country, was selling writs of habeas corpus to drug-dealers.(3)

A few years earlier, in 1999, a state judge from Mato Grosso was brutally killed only six weeks after denouncing other judges for taking bribes from drug-dealers.

In Brazil, trials related to criminal offences need to be held within a certain period. Therefore, the great backlog of cases may allow some judges to dismiss old cases unheard.

This practice might lead a corrupt judge to delay criminal actions deliberately, and further dismiss them as not held in proper time. Actually, defence lawyers might also delay lawsuits intentionally, particularly when they are paid by their clients according to the amount of time spent on them.(4)   

The Constitution of Brazil gives to judges the power to prepare their own budget. Unfortunately, the judicial power has never administered its funds properly. In 1995, for example, the new STJ building, a courthouse for only thirty-tree judges, cost more than US$ 170 million.

The building went on to include more empty rooms than used ones, as well as an indoor theatre, exercise rooms, two restaurants, a ballroom, a bar, and even a swimming pool.(5)

One may reasonably suspect that some judges allow the overcharge of courthouses in order to obtain any share of the proceeds. Actually, a 1999 fact-finding enquiry conducted by members of the National Congress went on to find at least two cases of this sort of corruption.(6)

Judges did not support this kind of enquiry, by declaring that people’s elected representatives could not meddle in the ‘affairs’ of the judicial branch. However, the Congress discovered with this that the Federal Labor Court President in São Paulo, Nicolau dos Santos Neves, became a millionaire by constructing a courthouse.

Its final cost was ten times above the market rates. Likewise, the investigation also found that the Federal Labor Court President in Rio de Janeiro, Mello Porto, had authorized court projects at costs that were 340 percent above the market rates.(7) 

Nepotism

Regarding to the problem of nepotism, everybody knows in Brazil that judges abuse of their privileged position in order to benefit personal friends and relatives. For example, many people have suspected that judges bypass the rigorous entrance exams for the judicial career by filling positions with unqualified family members.

Although this sort of scheme is extremely hard to be unveiled, other evidences have shown that nepotism is indeed a normally accepted practice among judges.

Since the latest Constitution of Brazil was enacted, in 1988, personal costs at the court system increased dramatically. It grew 760 percent between 1987 and 1999 alone.

The average number of staff members in the courts is actually 60 staffers per judge. In just one year, 1996, judges hired 11,000 new staffers. In 1999 alone, the eighty-eight judges from the Brazilian higher courts employed 5,000 new staff members.(8) 

There are indeed many absurd examples of nepotism in the Brazilian judiciary. For example, the President of the Regional Federal Court (TRF) in Amazonas named in 1999 his own son as the director of this court.(9)

Also in 1999, audits from Paraíba found that 160 out of the 565 court employees were actually relatives of state judges.(10) The President of the Paraíba’s High Court had for instance employed seven of his adult children.(11)

Of course, the ‘champion of nepotism’ in Brazil is certainly not him. It may be a federal labor judge from the state of Paraná who employed in 1997 nothing less than 63 of his relatives, including wife and four adult children.(12)

One may suggest that what Brazil needs to avoid nepotism in the judiciary is a ‘tougher’ legislation.(13) Such a law already exists. In 1997, the Congress passed a federal law to combat it.

Since then, all federal judges are forbidden to employ relatives, including in-laws at the same category. When the bill was enacted, federal judges decided to stage a work stoppage.

They argued that the anti-nepotism bill violated Article 37 of the Brazilian Constitution, which allows certain federal employees to hire subordinates of personal confidence.(14)

Although the protest did not avoid this law to be enacted, judges have now blatantly evaded from their legal duties by naming the relatives of other judges to fill positions on their staff, and vice-versa.(15)

References

(1) On cases of corruption in the judiciary during colonial times, see: Stuart B. Schwartz, in his book Sovereignty and Society in Colonial Brazil – The High Court of Bahia and its Judges - 1609-1757. Berkeley: University of California, 1973.
(2) Fitzpatrick, John; Welcome to Brazil – Say ‘Cheese’. Brazzil, January 2004.
(3) Vargas, Daniela Trejos; Civil Justice in the Americas: Lessons from Brazil. Florida Journal of International Law. March, 2004.
(4) U.S. Department of State; 2004 Country Reports on Human Rights Practices – Brazil.  Released by the Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights, and Labour, February 25, 2004.
(5) Prillaman, William; The Judiciary and Democracy Decay in Latin America: Declining Confidence in the Rule of Law. Westport/London: Praeger, 2000, p.88.
(6) Prillaman, William; The Judiciary and Democracy Decay in Latin America: Declining Confidence in the Rule of Law. Westport/London: Praeger, 2000, p.88.
(7) Prillaman, William; The Judiciary and Democracy Decay in Latin America: Declining Confidence in the Rule of Law. Westport/London: Praeger, 2000, p.88.
(8) Prillaman, William; The Judiciary and Democracy Decay in Latin America: Declining Confidence in the Rule of Law. Westport/London: Praeger, 2000, p.86.
(9) Prillaman, William; The Judiciary and Democracy Decay in Latin America: Declining Confidence in the Rule of Law. Westport/London: Praeger, 2000, p.104.
(10) Gallant, Katheryn; The Art of Stealing. Brazzil, March 1997.
(11) Prillaman, William; The Judiciary and Democracy Decay in Latin America: Declining Confidence in the Rule of Law. Westport/London: Praeger, 2000, p.87.
(12) Gallant, Katheryn; The Art of Stealing. Brazzil, March 1997.
(13) Prillaman, William; The Judiciary and Democracy Decay in Latin America: Declining Confidence in the Rule of Law. Westport/London: Praeger, 2000, p.87.
(14) Prillaman, William; The Judiciary and Democracy Decay in Latin America: Declining Confidence in the Rule of Law. Westport/London: Praeger, 2000, p.87.
(15) Prillaman, William; The Judiciary and Democracy Decay in Latin America: Declining Confidence in the Rule of Law. Westport/London: Praeger, 2000, p.104.

Augusto Zimmermann is a Brazilian Law Professor and PhD candidate for Monash University – Faculty of Law, in Australia. The topic of his research is the (un)rule of law and legal culture in Brazil.
He holds a LL.B and a LL.M (Hons.) from the Pontifical Catholic University of Rio de Janeiro, and is a former Law Professor at the NPPG (Research and Post-graduation Law Department) of Bennett Methodist University, and Estácio de Sá University, in Rio de Janeiro.
He is also a member of the editorial board of Achegas, Brazil's journal of political science, and Lumen Juris, a prestigious law book publisher in Brazil. His e-mail address is:
augustozimmermann@hotmail.com.



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Right
written by Guest, January 04, 2005
Selling sentences to criminals is standard policy for even the highest Brasilan judges, its not going to change. What really angers me, is that these judges and their daughters recieve a life time huge pension, even after ripping us of for decades.
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written by Guest, January 05, 2005
Viadinho!! Why dont you stop complaining on message boards and have some balls and hold up a picket sign outside the courthouses you pussy!! Its because Brazilians are pussies that they have the crime and corruption they have!!
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written by Guest, January 05, 2005
I had many opportunties to visit the northeast of brasil and see first hand corruption. It not only happens with judges, but in other government agency from the governor to the mayor. I think brasil need to improve their economy where the private sector is more rewarding than government work. I love brasil and i will even consider living their one day, but surely there is many improvement. I live in the usa and what bush pulled over the american people invading Iraq in the name of terrorism is worse than any corruption that is going on in brasil today.
Studying Brazilian corruption in Austral
written by Guest, January 06, 2005
I am Australian (with a Brazilian wife and genuine interest in Brazilian culture and history) and noticed that Prof Zimmerman is persuing his PhD, on corruption in the Brazilian legal system, at Monash University. I also noted that none of his references were published in Brazil.

Is it indicative of reluctance on the part of Brazilian acadaemia to investigate corruption in their own country that a well-respected researcher should need to travel to Australia to conduct these studies? And if so, why? Is it simply a deliberate lack of funding (for obvious reasons) or fear of reprisal?

To the above poster, my heartfelt agreement. The Prime Minister of this country, John Howard, and that of England, Tony Blair (Bush brown-nosers if ever their were) lied to their people about WMD and are burning women and children in our names for oil in the neo-Vietnam of the middle east. If this was genuinely about world safety / fighting oppression / removing WMD then why is Mugabe still with us? Why still the crises in Sudan? I have never suffered a greater loss in my faith in humanity that when Bush and Howard were re-elected. Colin Powell couldn't even donate to the Tsunami crises without the usual anti-terrorist rhetoric. Couldn't they just donate with dignity? Just keep it and spare us the BS. Anyone feel safer than they did on September the 10th 2001?

Sorry, didn't mean to turn this into a political spiel.

Any answers to my original questions? Thanks.
I feel very safe!!
written by Guest, January 06, 2005
Stop being a paranoid pussy! If you are going to die than do it with honor! Do you think Bush and Blair are the reason for all problems? You dont understand the problems US is dealing with. Maybe they know something you dont know possibly?? Maybe they dont want a bunch of sand n****rs with billions of dollars to buy a nuclear weopon someday and ruin the world?? What do you think will happen if a nuke hits NY city you dumbass?? You think US wont annialate the world as a pay back? You dumbass Brazilians and liberal americans need to take the flower out of your hair and realize that this is the 21st century and technology will be the ruination of us all if we dont regulate these phsychotic muslim fanatics!!! So while your buying your little s**t kid a beanie baby produced by chinese children think to yourself what you are saying! Your a f**king idiot in my opinion! And all the other ignorant f**ks reading this as well. The world is about to end folks and you better stop worrying about buying s**t and more about digging a hole and storing canned goods to hopefully survive the aftermath! Go ahead and type on your little "intelligent machines" and when the sun is no more I want you to think of your stupid ass comments you made on this message board! When your face is melting off!! oh! and is it Bush fault I guess! your a dumbass and why dont you stop being a pussy and just live with the war in Iraq! You dont know s**t! Go to work work, do your job and pump your 2 dollar a gallon gasoline to put in your SUV and shut the f**k up! Your gonna die a horrible death and thats a fact! So go to bed and f**k your 200 lb wife and stop worrying us with your liberal s**t. c**ksucker I hope you die first!!!
Agree...mostly
written by Guest, January 06, 2005
Mr. Zimmerman is indictive of many Brasilans from acedemia. While there is probably some threat of reprisals for publishing articles critical of Brasilan corruption, his decision is also probably more an economic one. The journals, particulary O Globo publish articles uncovering coruption on almost a daily basis. No, Mr. Zimmerman is just one of thousands of Brasilans that continues to be critical of the system from thousands of miles away instead of having the courage to take a stand here at home, many have been away from a decade or more, this lessens their credibility. I am an American living in Brasil with my family, and have been for over a year, we enjoy living here very much. I agree with the posters position on the war in Iraq, although I did not when the US first occupied Iraq, the US's conduct during the war, and reasons behind it are reprehensable, and I too was discouraged by Mr. Bush's re-election. The American people overall are split on the war, and more and more are becoming impatient and angry with the current administartions incompetence. A demonstration of this is the amount of money raised for the Asian's in the private sector, the world has to admit,it is astounding. Sudan on the other hand shows not America's defiencies, but the lack of resolve and effectivness of the UN in general.
Happens everytime
written by Guest, January 06, 2005
Already, an article about coruption in Brazil shortly turns into Anti-American puke about the war, when the article address nothing about it. If you have disagreements about the war, than find the forum to air them, this article is about Brazilian corruption not Enron or World Com, which are irrelevant arguments in this case.
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written by Guest, January 06, 2005
So America needs to spend all its cash on helping a bunch of asians that hate america? f**k you c**k sucker!!! How much money has your country donated? And how much have you donated? Foreigners a bunch of spoiled little kids that complain when they dont get what mommy and daddy give them!! You need a whipping with belt and put your dumbass back in school. Worry about your own pitiful country and how you borrowed 30 billion dollars to build Brasilia from USA. you liitle faggots seemed to like USA then, but now the interest is sucking you dry! Please come to USA and help me wash the s**t stains out of my underwear!!
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written by Guest, January 06, 2005
Oh and by the way I f**ked your mother last night! USA is the best!!!
Unbelievable
written by Guest, January 06, 2005
I can´t believe there are still people like you in the world - you are a poor representative of what a human being is. If you feel so safe now, why do you think the world is going to end and people´s faces will melt off.

To me, you are the only c**k-sucker, who´s mother probably got f**ked by her brother to have you - the result, a f**ked-up, zero minded, 1/2 retarted idiot who has nothing better to do with their time than to read about things that only make them mad.

The USA is a great country, but you are definetely not apart of what makes our country great!!

I´m happy to know that you are going to die a sad, angry, incompetent, and generally disliked by anyone in the world!!
USA is a once great country
written by Guest, January 06, 2005
Most American's are exactly like the physco who posted above about the worlds destruction. Indeed the world's destruction is now something...made possible by America, and it's knee jerk reaction to foreign policy. When you elect a suck ass, alcoholic, pussy for President who could not even make his Guard drills during Vietnam, well, you get what you pay for. I'll bet Barbara was washing the stains out of HIS shorts when he recieved his draft notice, but he, like all good Texan rich kids got out of the war by having some no name n****r take his spot. It's sure easy to send someone elses kids to war, he has been doing it his entire life. America is finally getting what it deserves, an ass kicking by a bunch of "sand n****rs", that have more balls than than they could have ever imagined. Your only hope is that there are still enough sensible people in America to impeach the a*****e, and restore what little rep**ation you now have.
0 for 3
written by Guest, January 06, 2005
Korea
Vietnam
Iraq

What's up?
Gee!!!!!!!!!! maybe they learn from aust
written by Guest, January 06, 2005
Judge urges attack on corruption
By Ian Munro, Jamie Berry
Stephen Moynihan
May 21, 2004
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Victoria may need to set up a standing commission to tackle the state's worst outbreak of police corruption in living memory, former royal commissioner and Federal Court judge Sir Edward Woodward said last night.

In an address to top criminal lawyers in Melbourne, Sir Edward dismissed the State Government's proposed boost to the Ombudsman's powers as inappropriate and confusing the Ombudsman's role as a mediator.

He also rejected as "hideously expensive" a royal commission to investigate corrupt police, but supported instead the creation of a standing integrity commission or bolstering the existing ethical standards department with a national anti-corruption body.

Addressing the Criminal Bar Association, Sir Edward also drew a link between Melbourne's spate of gangland killings and police corruption.

His comments came hours after two men appeared in court charged over the underworld murder of Sean Vincent, whose body was found dumped in Brunswick on May 8.
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Police Assistant Commissioner (Crime) Simon Overland said he was confident that detectives investigating the underworld killings would make more arrests. "I'm pleased that we are making progress. Purana (a police taskforce) is making arrests," Mr Overland said.

Sir Edward said there was clearly a link between corruption - which is being investigated by the Ceja taskforce - and gangland killings.

"It may only be that some of the same people are involved, but certainly the police corruption issue has muddied the waters for the police force in trying to solve the gangland killings," he said.

"In my opinion the police force in Victoria is facing the most serious and difficult problems that it has had to face in living memory.

"It's most important you don't confuse the role of an ombudsman - which is really alternative dispute resolution and mediation - with that of an authority investigating crime. I think it's completely unsatisfactory," Sir Edward said.

Legislation to extend the Victorian Ombudsman's powers is to be debated in State Parliament next week.

Sir Edward said the ethical standards department should continue investigating isolated instances of corruption, but it was not appropriate for dealing with large-scale corruption.

One solution, he suggested, would be to recruit a body like the Australian Crime Commission to support local anti-corruption police. "There is a lot to be said for having a national body which can be called on by the states," Sir Edward said.

He said Victoria's Chief Commissioner, Christine Nixon, should be given greater powers to dismiss police and that a standing police integrity commission would have the advantage of being able to choose the areas it investigated. But its workload and resources would be difficult to predict.

Sir Edward said that a royal commission was now impractical because it would be hindered by the backlog of corruption cases involving police either as accused or as witnesses.

Victoria's Director of Public Prosecutions, Paul Coghlan, QC, said up to five cases had been derailed or delayed because of ongoing corruption allegations within the force. But he too opposed a royal commission.

Mr Coghlan also revealed he had lodged papers yesterday to appeal against a magistrate's decision last month to clear an associate of slain gangland figure Lewis Moran on one count of possessing the proceeds of crime.

Magistrate Ann Collins found that police could not prove that the money held by Savas Pastras, 37, of Brunswick, and which contained traces of heroin and cocaine, had anything to do with the sale of drugs.

Meanwhile, two men charged over the recent underworld murder of Sean Vincent - Keith George Faure, 52, of Norlane, and Evan Ange Goussis, 36, of Bell Post Hill, appeared in the Melbourne Magistrates Court yesterday.

Also appearing in court was Faure's brother Noel Faure, 49, of Bell Post Hill, charged with one count of being a prohibited person possessing an unregistered firearm and another count of possessing ammunition without a license.

The trio's defence lawyer, Bernie Balmer, told the court he had been instructed by Keith Faure and Goussis that the Purana taskforce had "got it wrong" following the pair's dramatic arrest in Geelong on Wednesday.

The three men sat in a secure dock behind plate glass flanked by security guards during the 10-minute filing hearing.

Members of the Purana taskforce, including its chief, Andrew Allen, sat in the public gallery.

Outside court, Mr Balmer warned the media: "If people are going to get a fair trial, then it's important that the frenzy doesn't continue."

Operation Purana was established last year. Taskforce detectives have charged Victor Brincat and Thomas Hentschel with the murder of Michael Marshall outside his South Yarra home in October last year.

Purana detectives also arrested underworld figure Dominic Gatto and charged him with the murder of alleged hitman Andrew Veniamin in March this year in a Carlton restaurant.
???
written by Guest, January 06, 2005
OK, so whats your point? Can you make the argument yourself?
Mr. Zimmerman
written by Guest, January 06, 2005
I agree with people here that say that is easy for a person to write things about Brazil living in the other side of the world.

I must say that most of his words do not ad anything to the changes that people inside of Brazil are trying to achieve

This kind of thing happens in every place in the World.

I wonder if this Mr. Zimmerman is even Brazilian?

Could talk more about your Background??

Where you Family come from?? How did they get inside Brazil in the first place??

Brazil probable received then with open arms and now we have this ingrate person complain about Brazil from the world side of the world

Go back and try to fix. Tons of people even died for their believes.

Get a life Mr. Zimmerman
Read the post above Mr Zimmerman
written by Guest, January 06, 2005
this my answer to your question.

Read the post above Mr Zimmerman
written by Guest, January 06, 2005
This is my answer to your question
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written by Guest, January 06, 2005
I think Brasil is lucky to have someone like Zimmerman studying these problems. It sure beats the hell out of ignoring, which is usually what happens in here. To quote Jô Soares (and translated for our english guests) "Corruption is not a Brasilian invention, however impunity is something very ours"
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written by Guest, January 06, 2005
Words without actions have no meaning. Talk is cheap.

Anybody can study about anything, but the true is that the change comes from people’s participation and not from cheap topics that everybody knows.


If you going to complain about Brazil, go back to Brazil and try to chance what you believe to be wrong.


About Jo Soares

He is Idiot that probable never took the time to research about corruption and impunity in other countries.

Impunity happens in America, Australia and Europe.

Did you ever wonder how the First World Countries become First world?? Pleaseeeee

Give me a Break.

Romans, The Church, Spanish and Portuguese Empire, British Empire

To make the stupid presumption (JO SOARES) that Brazil is this place where ANYTHING and EVERYTHING wrong happens is just plain wrong.


Huh again
written by Guest, January 06, 2005
Jo Soares, that's the best we can do is quote Jo Soares? God no wonder we are so screwed up, next we wil be quoting Ronaldo, or Pele. Where is the real leadership? We are doomed, as the rich are raising spoiled little snots, who care only of themselves, and the poor have given up and resigned themselves to life as they know it, nothing changes here in Brasil. nothing, and unfortunatly, it never will. I don't begrudge my brothers and sisters who choose to find a better life somewhere else, not even Mr. Zimmerman.
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written by Guest, January 06, 2005
The main question is not if Mr. Zimmerman or anybody else for that matter has to right to make their life somewhere else.

The main question is, if that this kind of cheap shot, at Brazilian problems is going to bring some help for the solution.

Go back to Brazil and start to work. Get people with the same idea and start to chase this corrupt people, fight fire with fire.


Sounds like the corrupt is more united that the people that JUST LOVE TO COMPLAIN.

When you believe and want something done you do it, with actions and not with words.

Sorry to say again but talk is cheap


In the other hand a agree with a person that is not happy in Brazil, make a choice for their life in another country. Good lucky and be happy

Brazil is not Cuba. People are free to leave anytime they want. Sell everything, get a passport and pick another country to live.

Most people came from somewhere anyway
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written by Guest, January 06, 2005
i forget to say in my topic above that Jo Soares really is a idiot.

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written by Guest, January 07, 2005


After you leave make sure to give back all your legal document that made you one day a Brazilian at any Brazilian Embassy.


Start a new life.

If you are not going to be part of the fight to change Brazil(With actions) then you would help Brazil more by leaving.


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written by Guest, January 07, 2005
Minister denies nepotism claim
By Luke McIlveen
December 3, 2004

VETERANS Affairs Minister De-Anne Kelly breached Prime Minister John Howard's ministerial code of conduct by employing her husband and giving him a taxpayer-funded e-mail account.

Mrs Kelly – already fending off Opposition claims that she approved a $1.3 million Government grant to a company which employed one of her staff as a lobbyist – last night was fighting to keep the ministry she has held for less than a month.

She not only denied the breach but denied the existence of an e-mail account in the name of her husband, Roger Kelly, when contacted by The Courier-Mail.

"He does not hold a position in my office," Ms Kelly said. "He does not have a Parliament House e-mail address. Why would he?"

But The Courier-Mail has obtained an e-mail sent by Mr Kelly on September 2, when Mrs Kelly was a Parliamentary Secretary and obliged to follow Mr Howard's ministerial code of conduct.



Did he get 50 year in jail????????
written by Guest, January 07, 2005
Sex, Bribes and Visas
May 26, 2002
Reporter : Ross Coulthart
Producer : Nick Farrow

Andrew TheophanousThis week Sunday looks at the fall of disgraced former Federal MP Andrew Charles Theophanous — from the plush leather benches of our Federal Parliament to the dock in Melbourne's County Criminal Court.

It is the first time any serving or former Federal MP has ever been convicted of corruption.

On the Sunday program this weekend (and Sunday website) for the first time outside his trial, the Australian public can hear the tawdry conversations between this disgraced former MP and his criminal associates. How he conspired to defraud the Commonwealth in return for sex and cash, how he lied to the Federal Immigration Minister as the NCA listened in, and how he was caught on tape admitting his lies and saying it didn't matter.

This week Sunday reporter Ross Coulthart watched on as Andrew Charles Theophanous was led out of the dock to a holding cell after he was found guilty on four out of six counts of corruption, laid against him after a major National Crime Authority investigation. The four counts on which he was convicted include conspiracy to defraud the Commonwealth, which carries a maximum sentence of 20 years in jail. The MP was scheduled to come back for sentencing on Thursday, May 30.

Sunday presented two investigative reports raising serious concerns about the then MP's conduct in 1999. Theophanous accused this program of trial by media. Asked if would stand down if was charged by the NCA, he said:

"Of course not, on the contrary, why should I? I am innocent."

Now he stands disgraced — found guilty by a jury of his peers of four out of six criminal counts.

One disgraceful aspect of his misconduct is the fact a politician entrusted with the privileges of his office stooped so low as to seek sexual favours from a Chinese female overstayer in return for his political patronage. Sunday has obtained key tapes of the Crown evidence in the case, including this exchange where Theophanous makes it very clear he'll give her a discount in return for sex.

Theophanous: "If she is really alright um …"

NCA informant: "Yeah?"

Theophanous: "…and she is prepared to have some times with me but keep her mouth shut completely then we will do it for $100 for a year." [A discount from the standard illegal fee he was asking for from clients]

Coulthart details how Theophanous' sexual misbehaviour, including alleged harassment of his female staff, was well-known inside the Victorian ALP and was even reported to senior Party officials. He was described in a notorious internal letter as a "low life sexual harasser".

Nothing was done by those in the party who knew because, as one insider explains, Theophanous was one of the factional warlords in Victoria — delivering mainly ethnic community votes to Party pre-selection ballots to help ensure factional control over key seats.

"It's got to do with the role of the branch stacking, the ethnic war lords and having votes. Somebody needed his vote in Canberra so they protected him there. He had a certain amount of numbers in branches that could influence other people. That's why the process of what I refer to as branch-stacking is a corrupting influence on political parties."

This week's Sunday report details how Coulthart began investigating the then Labor Member for Calwell in Victoria in 1993 after hearing allegations Theophanous had been paid a $20,000 bribe by some in the then Chinese Students Human Rights Organisation. That group had solicited over $1 million from the Chinese community to lobby Government to allow students to reside in Australia permanently after the Tiananmen Square massacre.

As Sunday's eventual 1999 investigation reported, Theophanous has never satisfactorily answered serious questions about the circumstances of a retraction which was made by the Chinese newspaper journalist who wrote the story about the bribery allegation.

If Theophanous is sentenced to more than 12 months' jail, he will lose his lucrative Parliamentary superannuation and entitlements — but only if the Director of Public Prosecutions, with the authority of the Minister applies to the courts for a superannuation order.

After his 21 years in Parliament, the former MP's superannuation and entitlements would be substantial. Based on Theophanous serving in the Federal Parliament from 1980 to 2001, and his role on committees and as a Parliamentary Secretary, he was entitled to an inflation-proofed annual pension of nearly $80,000 a year. He also enjoyed a Parliamentary Gold Card, providing free travel.

dirty moneyIf you would like to hear some of the incriminating taped phone bug and listening device recordings, then here are some of the key conversations which convinced a jury that Andrew Charles Theophanous was corrupt:
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written by Guest, January 07, 2005
I am the Australian who posted one of the original messages and you're right, I shouldn't have brought up the war. However, I'd like to point a few things out. Firstly, I am not Brazilian and not a 'liberal american'. I wouldn't even call myself a 'liberal australian'. I simply oppose the war. Secondly, posting insulting comments such as 'c**ksucker' 'pussy' 'sand n****rs' and 'f**king idiot' hardly do your cause any favours and I'm glad to say that I realise that you don't represent the average American. And then telling ME to die with dignity? Please.

Anyway, thanks to the American living in Brazil for his/her answers to my questions. I am not blind to the corruption in Australia or the US either. And yes, the whole world's response the Tsunami crises has been wonderful. I admire Mr Zimmermann for taking a stand, albeit a very distanced one.
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written by Guest, January 07, 2005
Just let people now that GUEST person does not mean the same person posting the opinions





Look to oneman for everything
written by Guest, January 07, 2005
What so, let me get this right - Zimmerman is suppose to study the problem, catch the thieves and lock them up all at once? And he´s suppose to do this in ONE paper/article? He´s only one man, and he´s shinning a bright light in a dark corner of this country putting ON record something everyone talks about but does nothing about.

Zimmerman´s pursuing a Phd, which is no easy task - yet some here berade him because he´s not DOING enough, or is DOING it from too far away? Simpletons. What are YOU doing?

To compare the corruption in Brasil with ANY other 1st world country is simply STUPID so stop wasting space posting articles from Austraila - it proves NOTHING. Sure corruption exists EVERYWHERE, but not in the levels it does in Brasil - FULL STOP. I may not like Sony TV salesperson Joinho Soares, but his quote really does hit the mark and I busted a gut when I read it.

Things are changing recently in Brasil and Lula is taking the issue of corruption seriously. (you do remember that during Lula´s Inaugaration he mentoined eliminating corruption?: Do you know of ANY other developed world presidents or prime minsters who did the same duing their inaugural speeches? hmmm? Speaks VOLUMES) More and more judges, delegados, councillers, businessmen and the likes are being dragged off to jail for corruption (EVEN if they are PT), but as long as there are folks like Paulo Maluf - the really BIG fish- STILL able to thumb his nose at the system - Brasil will always be in a class all by itself in terms of corruption.

Now all you "Brasil, love it or leave it" throw backs to the marxist era when you can educated yourself up to the level that Mr. Zimmerman has, and actually contribute to the betterment of Brasil, than you have earned your right to challenge his motives - however, as long as you remain behind daddy´s computer crindging and harping every time alguem "fala mal do BRASSSSSIL" or simply brings up a fact that you think tarnishes the perfect image of Sambalandia, than do me a favour: unplug the computer and stick you tongue into that little wall thingy there where the computer was connected and tell me how it tastes.
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written by Guest, January 07, 2005
This is the funnies thing I ever hear-. Shining Star- LOLLLLLL


-He is just a person that is trying to make a living by talking trash about Brazil.

We have tons Crying babe people in Brazil that love to watch Joe Soares.

What about not watching this trash show (Jo Soares) and use the time to help to improve something in Brazil.

Don’t you have a job?? How do you stay up until 1 am???

Again, the “Corrupt person Act” and the “Brazilian academic” full of crap just talk.

They love to quote- LOLLLLLLL

They are more concern about feeding their own egos-they don’t care about anybody.

I prefer, a person with average or no academic education, that get things done, that a bunch of Academic (include you) that just talk, talk and talk.


TALK IS CHEAP

Who cares about his PhD? If the only thing that he is going to do is complain about Brazil by putting a lame comment in a cheap online newspaper then I guess a PhD is good as a sack of potato.


What do you know about corruption in other countries to come out with this conclusion that in Brazil is worst. ???

If you are a Brazilian you must have a very low self-esteem.

Is sad to see how people love to put Brazilian people down.

Post from Australia or from any other country for that matter proves that the first world is full of hypocrisy and in most cases try to build their name with false presumptions.


You paid a attention you will see that for the people that are working hard for change (with Actions) I give my congratulations. I happy that they still in Brazil and made the choice of fight with actions.

You said:
“””Brazil will always be in a class all by itself in terms of corruption. “””

If you are a Brazilian you must have a very low self-esteem.

If you are from somewhere else, you are just a first world propaganda hypocrite that probable do not know the history of your own country and how they become a first world country in the first place. Give the name of your country and will be able to post so many post from corrupt situation that the sever probable will run out of space. You people are full of……

You said
Now all you "Brazil, love it or leave it" t

Again if you are not going to promote with actions ,what you are saying, you, I presume is not better then a sack of potatoes. What is the point of staying in Brazil if the only thing you going to do is “COMPLAIN”

Marxist era?? Very funny- Again, using some quote, from some no-sense idiot from the past.


I guess, we all, in our family have that one that just love to complain but do not to change the situation. IS ALWAYS SOMEBODY’S FAULT.

I just want to congratulate the people in Brazil today that LIVE in Brazil and are trying to make a difference in the fight against corruption with real time hand own the job action.


Jo Soares is just another idiot that is making his leaving for the last 40 years just complaining about anything and everything.

When you hear him talking you, can see, that he is only concern ,is to feed his own ego.



























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written by Guest, January 07, 2005
This is the funnies thing I ever hear-. Shining Star- LOLLLLLL


-He is just a person that is trying to make a living by talking trash about Brazil.

We have tons Crying babe people in Brazil that love to watch Joe Soares.

What about not watching this trash show (Jo Soares) and use the time to help to improve something in Brazil.

Don’t you have a job?? How do you stay up until 1 am???

Again, the “Corrupt person Act” and the “Brazilian academic” full of crap just talk.

They love to quote- LOLLLLLLL

They are more concern about feeding their own egos-they don’t care about anybody.

I prefer, a person with average or no academic education, that get things done, that a bunch of Academic (include you) that just talk, talk and talk.


TALK IS CHEAP

Who cares about his PhD? If the only thing that he is going to do is complain about Brazil by putting a lame comment in a cheap online newspaper then I guess a PhD is good as a sack of potato.


What do you know about corruption in other countries to come out with this conclusion that in Brazil worst. ???If you are a Brazilian you must have a very low self-esteem.

Is sad to see how people love to put Brazilian people down.

Post from Australia or from any other countries for that matter proves that the first world is full of hypocrisy and try to build their name with false presumptions.


You paid a attention you will see that for the people that are working hard for change (with Actions) I give my congratulations. I happy that they still in Brazil and made the choice of fight with actions.

You said:
“””Brazil will always be in a class all by itself in terms of corruption. “””

If you are a Brazilian you must have a very low self-esteem.

If you are from somewhere else, you are just a first world propaganda hypocrite that probable do not know the history of your own country and how they become a first world country in the first place. Give the name of your country and will be able to post so many post from corrupt situation that the sever probable will run out of space. You people are full of……

You said
Now all you "Brazil, love it or leave it" t

Again if you are not going to promote with actions ,what you are saying, you, I presume is not better then a sack of potatoes. What is the point of staying in Brazil if the only thing you going to do is “COMPLAIN”

Marxist era?? Very funny- Again, using some quote, from some no-sense idiot from the past.


I guess, we all, in our family have that one that just love to complain but do not to change the situation. IS ALWAYS SOMEBODY’S FAULT.

I just want to congratulate the people in Brazil today that LIVE in Brazil and are trying to make a difference in the fight against corruption with real time hand own the job action.


Jo Soares is just another idiot that is making his living for the last 40 years just complaining about anything and everything.

When you hear him talking you, can see, that he is only concern ,is to feed his own ego.

























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written by Guest, January 07, 2005
Jo Soares

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

what a fat idiot


Funny
written by Guest, January 07, 2005
Actually you both make comments that I would agree with. There is some improvement in the current administrations effort to curtail corruption in Brasil, O Globo is full of articles regarding mayors, councilmen, attorneys, judges, and contractors that are being arrested and taken away by the PF, funny though, I don't read much about their sentences. Do we get our money back? Do they actually go to prison? Or do they simply sell their sentences to another corrupt judge, don't be fooled my friend, there is still much of the same going on. You site our great President, but 15 of his teeneage sons friends rode Airforce planes to attend the holidays at the offical residence. The money paid for that gas could have bought a lot of food for our poor. Did you know the $US 54 million paid for Lula's new plane is more than was spent on sanitation for the entire country? No my friend, it is just more of the same, corruption comes in all forms, including power. You said it, when we see the Maluf's of our country are arrested, convicted and sentenced to prison, I will then stand up and cheer.

I also grow weary of the Zimmermans' of the world, those in academia that are chasing their Phd's or MBA's for twenty years in a foreign country and write these articles critical of Brasil at night, and wash dishes during the day. In fact, they make me sick. If you have read Zimmerman's earlier articles on this site you will find a right tilted moron who knows nothing of the current Brasil. In fact, as one poster states, we are not Cuba or North Korea, I respect the right of our people to move to foriegn countries to work and live, we all have friends that have. But I also have a real problem with those that have not returned for 10 to 20 years because the still do not have a Green Card, watching the Globo News on their dishes, and then coming here screaming crap about the conditions here, sorry, I agree with the previous poster, when you left, you gave up your right to be heard. We are an emotional race, but sometimes not a very smart one. There has been progress made, but not nearly enough, and using Mr. Soares as an example of someone who knows s**t, is moronic...next it will be Fastao.
Zimmerman
written by Guest, January 07, 2005
There are a zillion Mr. Zimmerman's "shinning a light in the dark corners", but does he have the courage to kill to big f**king rat living their?
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written by Guest, January 07, 2005
"If you are a Brazilian you must have a very low self-esteem."

Nice come back kiddo, you really told that poster.
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written by Guest, January 07, 2005
"I also grow weary of the Zimmermans' of the world, those in academia that are chasing their Phd's or MBA's for twenty years in a foreign country and write these articles critical of Brasil at night, and wash dishes during the day."

There are an awful lot of assumptions in that one line. None of us here know this man´s history, nor what he does to put himself through school. We do not know what he intends to do with his education when he´s finnished, or what he´s done with his passed education. We don´t know why he´s chosen Austrailia for his Phd, or why he did his Masters in Rio. To right him off personally as another know-nothing-do-nothing pundit on the basis or two or three articles is childish - challenge and debate the research don´t belittle the researcher.
WHAT ??
written by Guest, January 07, 2005
If you leave Brazil you give up your right to be heard ? Of course not ! It's when you leave Brazil that you really discover how messed up it is. When you finally get to experience the life standard of an organised country, you realise your potential and how much of a handicap you had just because you lived in Brazil. Living somewhere else allows you to compare situations and you learn a LOT, which makes you VERY ellegible to give an opinion. Don't get me wrong , if you want to invest your life into changing Brazil and making a difference, that's your choice, I have nothing against that. But don't be so narrow minded to the point you'll ignore any opinion coming from a Brazilian that lives somewhere else. It shows again that you think you know it all. Good luck to you and I hope you are 5 years old right now. Maybe then you'll get to experience these changes you are working so hard to produce. I personally think it'll take longer than a lifetime though.
TRUE
written by Guest, January 07, 2005
It\'s Cool You Left...
written by Guest, January 07, 2005
But if you are comparing Brazil to a country with a higher standard of living, then it's not necessary to post on this site, we all know what the differences are. But if you are not part of the solution, then you are part of the problem, we don't need you pointing out everywhere where we need to improve, we have the entire world doing that. What we need are Brasilans with the courage to stay here and make a difference, even, if as you say, it takes decades. I am not 5 years old, no sir, but I have a son who is 6, maybe by working hard and succeding in implementing policies that make small incremental changes, then my son will not have to leave the country he was born in, and I love. Once again, you left, it's cool, I respect that, my brother did too. But we choose to stay and make a difference, you should respect that too. What we don't need right now is you critisizing from a developed country, it's not productive...it's that simple, You have decided not to make a difference for your once fellow citizens, and your country, you have chosen to think only of yourself and your family. I wish you well, I sincerely do, but I believe in Brasil, and will die doing so. Yes, and will I say it again, you left, and when you left, you gave up your right to critisize, and I can tell you, almost all of your once Brasilan countryman feel the same way about, although I know you won't lose any sleep over it, you are no longer a Brasilan, if you are not willing to sacrifice to help Brasil...sacrifice is what makes countries great!
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written by Guest, January 07, 2005
I think most Brazilians know, deep inside, that nothing will really change in their lifetime. That's why they try to have a good time, party and enjoy life. It's better than living a life of stress and constant frustration. They're generally apathetic towards real change and as a result, nothing gets better in Brazil, all in all it stays the same. The people that really want to make something out of themselves (or even be able to help their families in Brazil),end up leaving the country. Take a look at Brazilian actors, soccer players and sportsmen in general and a bunch of other professionals : They would be nowhere if they had stayed in Brazil. And they end up having to sacrifice a lot by leaving their country. But God forbid they ever say something bad (or even just give an honest opinion) about Brazil, they'll be hated for life over there. So they always smile and say Brazil is their country when people ask them in interviews. Even though they had to sacrifice the things they like about Brazil by living abroad, they still have to deal with Brazilian envy afterwards.
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written by Guest, January 07, 2005
Boy oh Boy

You said:
"I think most Brazilians know, deep inside, that nothing will really change in their lifetime"

Who are you to answer for most Brazilians??

WHo said that having a good time equal with not fighting for your rigths inside Brazil??????

Since when Brazil should care about actors(Are you talking about Novela Actors?) or Soccer players opinions??


The people that live and make a future for thenselves outside of Brazil i give congratulations.

For the ones that want to make a living complaing about from 20.000 km i don''t care

You Said
" They would be nowhere if they had stayed in Brazil."

From where did you get that???

Are you saying that in Brasil you are not going to find sucessful people?? Boy you really have low self-steem.

Stop Blaming Brazil for not having the ability to make a good living in Brazil

Thousands if not million of people are very sucessful there.

Like someone said here the only information that this Crying babies a getting information from is from NOVELAS and SOCCER games

Please give a break





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written by Guest, January 07, 2005
Sorry but I give up my right to an opinion when I decide to do so. This is a message board for everyone, you should be less concerned about ruling it and telling me what my rights are or what they're not, especially since you didn't do any of the work it takes to do this site.
Maybe you can tell all of us what it is that you do in Brazil to make a difference ? (besides talking like we do).
I can tell you what I had to (re)learn when I came to the US , maybe that will help you ?
1. I had to relearn how to drive, obey rules and be part of a system , where I don't try to dictate anything , or have more rights than anybody else.
2. I had to stop using "in Brazil we..." to begin my sentences, since I wasn't in Brazil. I had to try to adapt to different ideas, understand different ideas, view them as valid, and learn to apply that knowledge to my own life.
3.One of my first jobs was washing dishes, so I had to learn to do a simple job ,go about my business and don't try to tell people what to do or what's right or wrong.

Believe me , it took a lot of courage and sacrifices, I benefitted from those situations and I think you would too. Of course that would mean abandoning your position as the www.Brazil.com message board manager, but I think you'd survive. Brazil = muito cacique, pouco indio. And "muita retorica " also. Good luck with changing the country. Your first step would be spending less time on this message board and less time trying to rule it.
If you change your mind, call your brother and ask him to hook you up with a dish washing job in America,where you'll be able to listen, talk less and be more productive.
It\'s Really Not That
written by Guest, January 07, 2005
Your argument is valid, perhaps you are correct, we value and solicit constructive foreign dialog as to how we might improve our country. Perhaps those that leave have valid points, and those should be welcomed...I will stand corrected. By I will refer back to the article, and then a comment by another poster, we have lots of people who "shine lights on our dark corners" but "we need people who can kill the big f**king rats that live there". I hear everyday that "Brasil will never change", but it is always from foreigners...or Brasilans that no longer live here. Just because they have given up does not mean we will, they took a way out, we chose to stay and fight. Please don't disrespect us for it. We don't hate people who leave here, at least I don't. But most Brasilans who manage a life here are understandably thin skinned when we are criticized by ex-Brasilans, people who chose to give up. Let's put the shoe on the other foot, if you were an American, and there was an American who moved to France and had been there for a significant length of time, would his critisizm of the war be popularin America? Tthere is no difference in senarios. Now for your sterotyping of Brasilans', well, I understand that as well, many people think they know us, because they spend a few weeks a year here. Yes, we have actors, soccer players, and models who have had much success, we are proud of them. I assume by your comments about partying and having a good time mean that you have only spent time in Rio, whose economy revolves around tourism and Carnaval, so yes, it is true, Rio is a great place to party and have fun, the population depends on it, and Carioca's are very good at it...God bless them. But there are serious people, conduct serious business for Brasils' benefit in serious places like Sao Paulo, Belo Horizonte, Rio Grande de Sul, Parana, and Santa Catarina, and many, many others. New Biotech incubators are being built in the rural areas of the north with the hope they will create jobs, and scientific talent. We work hard, our exports are up, manufacturing of durable goods are at record levels, our debt risk is lower, inflation is under control, we have new trade agreements with Russia, China and India, while still too high, unemployement is lower than at any point in the last 10 years. Do we have a long ways to go? Of course. I am ashamed of the situation with crime and corruption, not enough of our people are taking part in our recovery...yes this is true. But the people who are staying, and indeed returning are making a difference for our country, and we are proud of them, any country would be. You state that Brasilans can "make something of themselves" in another country. I agree, my brother left for the US 10 years ago and now owns a painting contracting business in Miami, he was a school teacher in BrasilAnd yes, he has made something of himself, and I am proud of him. I on the other hand have a small business in Brasil that exports decorative rock to European countries, I employee 22 people, I don't make as much money, or drive as nice a car as my brother. But did I not make something of myself? See perspectives are different, but not wrong. But if you chose to make an American life, or English life, or German life, good for you, but you of all people know that Brasil will never be like these countries, and to be honest we don't want to be, it's not our culture. So it is difficult I will admit, when an ex-Brasilan critisizm is based on their experience in their new home. Instead of critisizing, find a way to help from abroad if you can, I have never met a Brasilan expat that has admitted to doing so...once again, their words are "Brasil will never change", but we will. Not as fast as everyone would like, and perhaps not in ways to everyones liking, but we will change for the good of all Brasilan's without the help of those that live abroad. This is the situation, it is a Brasilan thing, we don't expect you to understand it, but we should be respected for staying when many of us too could leave. They made a choice, I respect it, we made a choice, it should be respected as well, not ridiculed.
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written by Guest, January 07, 2005


You are confusing personal opinion with expressing the mass opinion fo a nation.

You are free to express anything you want.

If you made a better life somewhere else congratulations.

If you are not going to Back to Brazil and try to help,please do everbody a favor and forget about Brazil.


I never work as a dishwasher and even if i did i still have respect for the people in this profession.

If you can not make a point just do not aswer the post
You Said

1. I had to relearn how to drive, obey rules and be part of a system , where I don't try to dictate anything , or have more rights than anybody else


All that you said have nothing to do with the place that you live.You obey the law and drive the proper way because people make personals choice. You choose to Obey,you choose to drive and respect people.

If you did not live that kind of life in brazil then the problem was you and not Brazil.

You should been ask the people that are complain about Brazil what they are doing to make the country better.






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written by Guest, January 07, 2005
Well said

"It's Really Not That"

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Re: It\'s really Not That
written by Guest, January 07, 2005
Great point. The charm of Brazil is being what it is, keeping alive its strong, vibrant, and genuine culture. The country may not belong in the "First World" just yet, but surely has made inroads towards that. Besides, its people are happier and more free-spirited than anywhere else, and definitely they are better off for it.
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written by Guest, January 07, 2005
1. I do help Brazilians, living abroad, more than I would be able to if I lived in Brazil.
2. I was born in Brazil, therefore I'm Brazilian. You are not the one to tell me I'm an x-Brazilian, you don't even know me. Go tell your brother who lives abroad he's an ex Brazilian or the actors and models you are proud of.
3. I was a bad driver in Brazil, because at the time I lived there no one ever got tickets for anything,everyone cut you off,no one obeyed any rules,traffic was insane and being such a driver was the only way to get somewhere in time.That's not an excuse for it, I'm just explaining that the general consensus in Brazil is : If you're honest, you're dumb. That certainly didn't help when I was growing up. Let me know if that concensus has changed (I know that at least the traffic laws are more enforced now).
4.An opinion about the war from an American living in France is not a popular one (I'm not trying to be popular here), just an informed one because he is there to see it up close. Therefore, it is a necesary opinion.
5.Organising Brazil,enforcing laws and education and fighting corruption won't take anything away from Brazil's charm and culture.

Thanks for the information on Brazil's technological progress. I did not know about that and I hope the profits can indeed be applied in sectors like education.
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written by Guest, January 07, 2005
If a person choose to do wrong because he see no profit in doing right, He,the person does not beleive in the rigth way of life in the first.

People know what is wrong or what is right!!!Nobody have to tell then.

Even if someone tell you that been honest is stupid ,the word should not matter.

Why? Because you do the right things because you beleive and not because someone is going to give you a bag of gold in the end of the day.

we never should use the excuse of saying that i do wrong because the guy next to me is doing.

Like you said,somebody made this bad quote when you were growing up

Brazil or lula can not tell how people should live their life in a honest way

this job is for the parents of the kid that one day will become a adult

Desupla novo gringo
written by Guest, January 07, 2005
But you left, legally you may be Brasilan, but in reality, you are ex-Brasilan, there is no need to argue, this is a simple fact, I have told my brother the same thing, we have not talked in 8 years, my friends, and their friends will agree...sorry, this is a simple fact here in Brasil now, you are not welcome, the time for action is now, and you are failing to step up, this is the way it is, some fight, other run, you chose the later...Still I am proud of my brother and what he has accomplished for his family. Give us examples "of helping Brasilans in Brasil, I will then apoligize to you. It is very easy to get a traffic ticket in Brasil, and still very easy to bribe your way out, does that make you feel better, not me, it pisses me off, I live this every day. But it is not a reason to give up and leave. How do traffic laws in your new country vs traffic in Brasil really impact this dialog, it's a silly point. Organising Brasil, fighting coruption, better education are indeed important, it makes me feel I have to work harder to change things, what is your impact on these problems, you are on the sidelines, back steet driving, we have the wheel, your brothers are doing the dirty work, while you are safe in your bed. We enjoy your opinions but we don't take them seriously, sorry, but your points are not valid, you see, you can point problems out we all know are here, but you are not in a position, nor do you have the desire or courage to fight for Brasil, once your country. ...I can accept a mulher leaving, but not a man, men stand up and make a difference, fight for what's right, for their country even at a sacrifice. You see it close up? How from a different country? I do agree that organizing Brasil, enforcing laws, and educations, fighting coruption are important...just what are you doing to help do this. You don't know about our progress because it is easier to dwell on our faults rather than our successes, it's helps you amd people like you to justify your decison to leave, makes it easier to sleep at night, tell all your gringo friends how screwed up we are. Really, there is no malice intended, but we need real Brasilan men in Brasil right now, doing the hard work of men...not some so called Brasilan expatriots with Brasilan passports living in other countries that have no interest in our future, and telling the gringos what a great country we could be.Once again, personaly, I wish you and your family the best, I respect your decison. But your decison does not help Brasil.What we need is men of courage and morality, right here, right now, fortunatly those that take the easy way out are still in the manority, we will make it better, and when you return and see the difference, make sure you acknowledge the hard work and sacrifice we have done.
Another point
written by Guest, January 07, 2005
My brother who posted before me is an example you should respect, his English may be marginal, but his heart...and ass, are here in Brasil. Is it really your intention to disrespect our brother, or should you not be offering him encouragement. I sense that you were once a good Brasilan, someone who finds it difficult to be away, and found it difficult to leave. Come on home and help us make Brasil a better place for our children. Our do you not understand, that if you raise your family in another country, your children will have no chance of being Brasilan. Once again, no malice intended, life is full of difficult choices, the easy ones are the easiest to make and make no difference, it is the difficult ones that really make a difference.
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written by Guest, January 08, 2005
"Men of courage", I'm sure you need them in Brazil. Wether leaving a country has to do with lack of courage or not, depends on your point of view. Like I said, in many ways it's alot easier to stay in Brazil , in the comfort of your home with your friends and family. It's easier than adapting to a different culture, expanding your horizons and fighting for a place in a country that's not yours. I've seen many Brazilians who tried it out over here and went back with their legs between their tails. All they did while they where in the US was hang out with each other (instead of learning the language and learning to blend in) and talk about Brazil. And in the end they just had to go back to their mom.
My group of Brazilian friends in the US is what I call a group of courageous people and I'm very proud of them. We help each other but I won't get into details, it's none of your business, we don't need the exposure (we already have it) and I can assure you it was not easy to get to this point, there was a lot of hard work involved.
But according to your theory, all Brazlian soccer players that live in the US for examnple are a bunch of wimps who "failed to step it up", so your ideas are funny to me.The fact that you haven't talked to your brother in 8 years (just because he left Brazil?) is strange to me too. I'm sure there's more to it that I don't know but you sure have some American attitude in you , let me tell you.
I am very welcome in Brazil, people support and respect me nowadays even more than they did when I lived there. Some of these people actually advised me to leave Brazil when I lived there, because they felt I was wasting my time & talent.
So yes , I'm not doing ANYTHING about fighting corruption in Brazil, you are the one that stayed to fight it, only I don't see what it is that you do against it, or how does your "courage" in staying help to make things better,even though you are taking credit for it. I have a feeling that you have a rather passive attitude and you should be careful with that because the Brazilian government feeds off it.
I thought the traffic laws were getting strict in Brazil and things were getting better but apparently not, so thanks for the update (you are right it helps us to know that things aren't really getting any better in Brazil).
In my opinion the reason that people who leave Brazil is a minority is because it's so hard to get a visa and split. Have you checked the American embassy lately ? There are lines of people trying to get a visa and take off.
You should read that book "The Brazilians" by Joseph Page. It says in there that Brazilians believe that a whole life of sacrifice and sadness will somehow take them to heaven in the end. That's you, right there. You can call that corageous, I just call it...I won't say it,I don't want to offend you.
And you're right, I sure don't have it in me to save the whole country, I prefer to help my Brazilian friends and family. I will aknowledge the hard work of the ones who stayed and I respect everyone's decision without insulting them, but everytime I go there to visit I have the impression that I'll never be back to live there.
Valid point
written by Guest, January 08, 2005
That's a very good point ,about raising your children in a different country. At the same time, I want to offer them a safe environment. To tell you the truth I don't want my children to be totally Brazilian or totally American. Just educated, well travelled and smart, so they know how to make the right for themselves.
Then we agree to disagree
written by Guest, January 08, 2005
You can call yourself what ever you want, but you are no longer a Brasilan. Your hertitage may be that, but you have made a decison to become something else, and the fact that you are comfortable and proud of this is again, something to be respected. Still you claim to help your brothers and sisters here, yet you fail to be specific, thank you for respecting the relationship between my brother and me, I will respect yours between you and your former country. I will say again, while you may be accepted with open arms by your family in Brasil because you pay for dinners and drinks and bring GameBoys here, I can tell you, you, and your small group of friends are no longer accepted by the people active in change for Brasil. I could tell you of our efforts, but it would all go in one ear and out the other, as you would ridicule us and say "Brasil will never change". We can not accept your statements about how much courage it took to leave Brasil and learn another culture, it just does not ring true. Just because you where able to enter the promised land of Gringolandia and make a living does not demonstrate your courage, but your desire to do what you felt was right. I will not call you a coward, just a pragmagitist, I respect your decision. Once again, your postings disrespect the proud people that will not consider leaving, your attitude is, and more important your comments are no longer Brasilan. Did you know who the MST is? Did you know they were dying in trying to making a difference? Did you know young men and women in the military who are not corrupt are being killed by drug dealers, are you proud of them? Do you even give a damn? Did you know that Brasil was one of the first countries to fly supplies into areas devestated in Asia? That we have given over $159 millon dollars, much more in comparison to the country where I suspect you live? Did you know that Brasil is delivering hope and security to Haiti? I suspect not. You only know what your new country is doing and I would certainly not be very proud of that, because if you are living in America, and have the ballas to admit it, it is the economic polices of your adopted country that have us in the position we are in now in the first place, yet you are now their lackey. Based on your comments, and if you are in America and have the nuts to admit it, you are not only anti-Brasilan, but your actions border on treason. Did you know your "new country" imposes illegal tariffs on our steel, fish, cotton and citrus? Do you know how this effects what used to be your people. No...you and your selfesh freinds continue to bad mouth Brasil, come down every so often and visit your families, tell them what big shots you are...then go back to your treasonous lifes. You made a choice, but I will refer to my intial posting, you and your "small" group of Brasilan friends are ex-Brasilans and are doing nothing to help the people of Brasil, it is sacriligous to say other wise. At least have the courage to admit you are simply waiting the time period out to get your US citizenship. Did you know that the US does not recognize dual citizenship, that to become a US citizen you must raise your right hand and denounce your citizenship in Brasil? Will you still be Brasilan then? I pray for Brasil every day, I trust God will hear us that do? You are proud of what you achieved...so be it. But self pride is shallow pride. In your last sentence you state "but everytime I go there to visit I have the impression that I'll nver be back to live there" this is the perfect statement and defines who you are...you are a gringo now, be proud of it, admit it, we will respect it. But there is nowhere in the postings by real Brasilans that says we would ever want you back.
Kids
written by Guest, January 08, 2005
You will raise your kids to be neither Brasilan or American? Now THAT is an American concept! You prove my inital point. Not only are you an ex-Brasilan, you are embarassed to even admit you once where Brasilan. My kids are and will be proud of their hertigae, know what it is, and be young men of courage. They will be sons I am proud of.
Noticed one last thing
written by Guest, January 08, 2005
Have you been away so long that you now spell Brasil with a "z"? You are either a gringo pretending to be a Brasilan, or a Brasilan who is now a gringo.
The Brazilian\'s
written by Guest, January 08, 2005
A book about Brasil, written by a gringo in English. Yea, this should tell the world who we are, next time I am in the US I will make a point of buying it...then throwing it in the fire. Who are you anyway?
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written by Guest, January 08, 2005
expandig your horizans
no tring to belnd in
you make me sik.
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written by Guest, January 08, 2005
I tried to argue with you in a rational way but you are caught in over nationalistic, emotional stuff and a lot of things that may go on in your head , but not in your daily life. Calm down, drink a guarana and chill out. I don't have to explain myself and neither do the thousands of Brazilians that live abroad, we all had a pretty good reason to do it. Read the book, analise it, use your brain, not your emotions and absorb the information. It's simple and you'll see it has at least a few points. Get a little bit out of the Flag mentality, or join the army, so you can really fight for your country on a daily basis.
Your daily life doesn't involve any of this , just dealing with a dificult economy,burocracy,crime,corruption,etc. Your actions involve dealing with it rather than changing it, face it. You are not making a difference,just talking passionately, against somebody who just wanted to voice their opinion. Me and another million of "people born in Brazil" (is that ok?) just didn't think it would be a good idea to be part of this during our entire lives, that's all.
Don\'t you get it
written by Guest, January 08, 2005
This is another example of someone who is not a Brasilan pretending to be one. This board is only used by people like him, and I don't know why. Maybe a phycitrist can.
Oi Amigo
written by Guest, January 08, 2005
Felez ano novo. If you are an American...then f**k you. If you are as you said Brasilero, you got your ass kicked en your "rational' argument. and f**k u too.
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written by Guest, January 08, 2005
"But you left, legally you may be Brasilan, but in reality, you are ex-Brasilan, there is no need to argue, this is a simple fact, I have told my brother the same thing, we have not talked in 8 years, my friends, and their friends will agree...sorry, this is a simple fact here in Brasil now, you are not welcome, the time for action is now, and you are failing to step up, this is the way it is, some fight, other run, you chose the later"

"You can call yourself what ever you want, but you are no longer a Brasilan."

These are probably two fo the most retarded comments I have ever read. Why pray tell, is this man NOT a Brasilian after living abroad? what kind of magical DNA drained from this man´s blood while he traveled? Are you folks that thick? As long as he was born in Brasil and has a Brasilian citizenship/passport, he will continue to be Brasilian. It´s as simple as that.

The only difference is that he´s probably a helluva lot smarter and more worldy than the rest of you idiots there that haven´t traveled left Sambalandia and don´t understand the concept of civil society.

pot induced thought of the day
written by Guest, January 08, 2005
When 2 planes almost collide in mid air...they call it a "near miss"....doesnt that imply that they hit each other?

I got the munchies! But I won´t be eat´n beans that´s fer sure.
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written by Guest, January 08, 2005
Thanks for the help. I didn't come to this board to start anything but I'm amazed everytime at how paranoid, narrow minded and ignorant people can be.
I don't care what you want to call me or if you think you kicked my ass, like I said, I have a good life, no regrets, I talk to my family (even if they decided to live elsewhere) and I'm able to think clearly, partially because I had the chance to experience other cultures when I was younger.
I have the feeling this guy resents the fact his brother is living in the US and is doing better than him. That happens with one of my family members that stayed behind too and everytime we have contact, I try not to sound too happy, because sometimes it's like slapping their face, even though it's unintentional.
Envy is also a big part of Brazilian society. It goes along with the lack of options you have when you live there,the consequent apathy it creates and a general feeling that you can't do much to help yourself.
Feliz ano novo pra todo mundo ! E ve se manda um e-mail pro seu irmao de vez em quando, ele deve precisar de um recado seu mais do que eu. Achei bem legal voce ter incluido essa informacao sobre sua familia. Deu pra ver que voce e louco de verdade ! Se cuida maluco !
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written by Guest, January 08, 2005
Well , at least that impostor got the award for "most retarded comment" , given to him by his fellow American ! I think this ididot used to live in Brazil and thinks he knows s**t but his portuguese is horrible. I bet he doesn't get laid in the US either, I already met him at the Catwalk article message board. He is just a kid though, you can tell,which brings us back to the one subject about raising kids in America : no thank you. Their schools are full of these little smart asses and they're hated not just by us Brazilians, but by their American parents too. And the thing is, in America you can't even slap these kids to set them straight or you may get sued.
AS A DAUGHTER OF A JUDGE
written by Guest, January 09, 2005
AS A DAUGHTER OF A JUDGE. I AM CONDEMN TO BE A BITCH FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE. JUMPING FROM DICK TO DICK BECAUSE I WILL NOT MARRY AND LOST ALL THAT PENSION FROM THE GOVERNMENT.
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written by Guest, January 11, 2005
"Well , at least that impostor got the award for "most retarded comment" , given to him by his fellow American! I think this ididot used to live in Brazil and thinks he knows s**t but his portuguese is horrible. I bet he doesn't get laid in the US either, I already met him at the Catwalk article message board. He is just a kid though, you can tell,which brings us back to the one subject about raising kids in America : no thank you. Their schools are full of these little smart asses and they're hated not just by us Brazilians, but by their American parents too. And the thing is, in America you can't even slap these kids to set them straight or you may get sued."

Will you just look at these thoughts here! Someone writing and thinking like this has the gawl to make fun of Americans? Brasil just never ceases to surprise me.

And who the hell keeps harping on and on that if you leave Brasil you turn in your BRASILIANISM or whatever you are calling it - or you are no longer a TRUE brasilian (What the f**k is a true BRASILIAN anyway? )

This is a truly disturbing comment made by an ultra-right wing nationalist one reminiscent of those who made people DISAPPEAR in the 70s for the GOOD of Basil. My how quickly they forget.
Moral Crisis
written by Guest, January 11, 2005
Dear Mr Zimmermann,

Congratulations for your excelent article on corruption. Indeed, it is not a brazilian privilege as you may already know, since you have entitled your article with the word mafia, which, itself, describes the corruption issue in Italy.

I dare saying that the world is suffering form a Moral crisis, which destroys our society. It is suffering from the forgetfulness of God. The solution for social problems has, necessarily, to be solved by revigorating the correct values. Is this rescue mission, God and man, through his family, have an important role.

Let me have your thoughts on that.
Regards.
Nice article, and could you give us more
written by Guest, January 14, 2005
Dear Mr Zimmerman,

I wholeheartedly agree with the above poster. I guess that, despite a few posts suggesting the contrary, few people are more qualified than you, as an editor of Lumen Juris, to give insight into what the police/judicial system is or isn't.

I also have a question: some articles ago, you wrote off disarmament as demagogical and counterproductive. Could you please, in your next installments, give more info on this topic.

Thank you, and congrats again.
All true
written by Guest, January 27, 2005
It just astounds me how can brazilians cope with so many problems and remain being nationalist and patriotic. That's not the real problem though... the real problem is how they continue to approve the government practices when it's more than proven that they are completely incompetent and they don't give a f**k for your life. I ask to those people who have expressed their concerns that this Zimmermann guy is selling a bad aspect of our country if they have tried to run a business here. If they had someone killed in their families and the murderer was not even found, if they were not robbed at 3p.m., if they have never had someone pointing a gun to their faces and demanding them to deliver whatever they have, if they have never had their cars stolen, and if they don't know anyone who ever had such problems. Well, foreign guys, I think those are actually not brazilians. Somehow they manage to live in some wonderland, where the government cares about them, makes them happy without needing to work and give half of what they get to the government to spend in frivolities and where they have not to be stuck in the traffic because some guy with a rocket launcher is hitting some police cars.
Anyway, I ask you... the fact of this Zimmermann guy having used foreign references makes his claims irrelevant? What he says is fake? I don't think so, guys. Anyone here who has ever called the police and waited 2 hours for them to arrive, just to make some "B.O." and go away, without doing nothing knows what I'm saying. Any of you who have gone to judge to execute a debt and listen to the judge tell that the stupid motherf**ker who owes you doesn't have money, so he can pay you only 10 reais/month while driving a new Astra knows what I'm saying.
Something has to be said about this country. A businessman must take all risks of his business. If you fail, go live in a shantytown. Brazilian government will not help you. If you succeed, start handing out what you have to the government. Spend 50% of what you earn in taxes, and you better pay the bribes for the officials of receita federal, the police and all this mafia that surrounds us, And you better not get angry, otherwise they will surely find something wrong in your business, as everything can be interpreted wrong under the marvellous brazilian laws, and they will f**k you up. Suddenly you will be owing your life to the government.
Sorry guys, but a country where a judge decides that Atlético-PR is illegal by pricing their tickes at R$30,00 is not of respect. If Brazil want to be respected, we have to sort things out here and start cleansing the bad guys from here.
Well, I wrote too many things already here. As Zimmermann stated, one could spend decades pointing out things that are wrong in this country. And just as Jo Soares did say, corruption is not a brazilian invention. But being proud of it is very ours.
f**k you fellow conformed brazilians
Justice delayed is Justice denied. The Brazilian Animalistic Legal system, A true jungle justice of a State.
written by Never Mind.., August 13, 2008
It's unfortuanate to see Brazilians defending Brazil's moral laxity on legal issues and the justice system executed,while it's very shocking and pathetic to find contemporary Brazilians telling "Critics" to leave Brazil if they don't feel satisfied with the ways things function in Brazil. Personally, i'm a victim of the Bazilian Justice system, and I'm at awe on how the justice system in Brazil was able to "hand over my two kids to their Brazilian mother" with all the clear evidences of the fact that, the mother hasn't got no job, she was an ex-convict for drug trafficking,"Afer my seperation from her,she took to trafficking drugs for survival" (an offence purnishable in my country of origin under life impprisonment or Death penalty), and still yet, she was granted my childrens custody, and was even ask to pay her an equivalent of US600 dollars as child support.
This is a lady I fed, clothed and paid her college (She refused to go to ollege) for 5 freaking horrible years i spent living in Brazil, and come an illitrate of a Judge asking me to be paying her a child ! The support ? I was able to catch a plane ontime back to my country leaving my apartment and my employment, that was the only way i was able to sort myself out, however i'm still expecting that same Brazilian law to come over to my country and ask me to pay the stupid child support(Pensao).
Despite the fact that I ave better financial capability to cater for my kids, The Brazilian law condemed me to pay child support to a girl who has never worked all her life.... This is where to me the Brazilian Legal system stinks.When Brazilians visit other countries, they sure really know how to behave, as our laws is enacted without any bias.
I want to call on well educated Brazilians to try and make a change out of what Brazil is, I do really love Brazil, however the problem of "Honesty" is killing the love most peolpe have for Brazil,Brazilians are simply not Honest people, and I bet this dates back to the colonization by the Portuguese.
I want to congratulate Zimmerman for his honesty, and a piece of advice to the Brazilian illitrates, that is to say, nothing is never too late, They should go back to college and do things like civilized people as they themselves or a member of their families can fall victims to the injustice they have so much founded, it's never too late.
As for my kids in Brazil, I hope they don't one day start selling drugs like their mother, and I do hope, they'll express their desire to come join me here in the US.
Advice to strangers trying to live in Brazil, It's better if you don't go at all, but if you decided to go, please don't be attracted by the beauty of their women, don't fall in love, If you do fall in love, it's your bank account they're in love with, not you, to them you're just another piece of an a*****e, it's better you don't even go at all, But if you want to take a trip down South America, Argentia is the country to go, definitly not Brazil, as it's truly a modern day Jungle.

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