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The Best Place in Brazil's Megatown PDF Print E-mail
2005 - January 2005
Written by John Fitzpatrick   
Sunday, 09 January 2005 17:45

FNAC bookstore in Pinheiros, São Paulo, BrazilA number of readers have contacted me over the last few years asking for advice on where to stay in São Paulo. Several were executives and managers with little knowledge of the city, who were being sent here by their firms. Security and educational facilities for their children were their main concerns.

People like this will probably have their rents and school fees paid by their firms so they can afford to rent a house or flat in places like Morumbi or Chácara Flora, which are close to the Berrini neighborhood where many multinationals are located.

However, by locating in such areas, foreigners can find themselves isolated from normal life and cut off from their Brazilian neighbors. They can also miss the chance to make contacts with local people through the padaria on the corner, where you can buy freshly-baked bread or sit at a counter and have a snack, or the newsstand where you can thumb through the magazines and chat to the owner.

Unfortunately, São Paulo has no delightful areas to sit or stroll in, like Ipanema in Rio de Janeiro, the Royal Mile in Edinburgh or the Backs in Cambridge, so residents have to accept second best in this sense.

There are a few beautiful spots, like the lush, tropical stretch of Jardim America between Avenida Brasil and Faria Lima, but this is a dead zone. The only people you see are security guards, joggers, dog walkers and domestic maids.

The rich people who live there have used their influence to make sure that there are no shops or bars to encourage you to linger. They also remain behind their walled fortresses and emerge on four wheels rather than two legs. 

Against this background, I always recommend Pinheiros as a district for long or short-term visitors. Like many districts – or “bairros” - Pinheiros is not strictly defined and some readers might find my geographical definition a bit elastic.

It lies roughly within the borders of the Rebouças, Dr. Arnaldo and Nações Unidas avenues, the latter better-known as the Marginal, and merges into the Alto de Pinheiros, Vila Madalena and Perdizes districts on the other more fluid border. 

It measures about three or four square miles and has everything you need within its confines. It is also convenient for the downtown area around the Praça da Sé, the business districts of Avenida Paulista, Faria Lima and Berrini, and the upscale Jardins and Morumbi districts.

Despite the proximity of these rich enclaves, with their millionaires’ mansions and exclusive shops, Pinheiros has a good mix of people of all social classes and none of the pretence of these more prestigious neighborhoods.

It is not as pretentious as Higienópolis or as fashionable as Itaim. In short, it is unpretentious, lively, friendly and, in my humble opinion, the best place in São Paulo to live.

It is not a pretty area and most middle-class people live in faceless, high-rise apartment blocks. There are few buildings of note or historical interest. The Calvario church, located on a hill overlooking Praça Benedito Calixto, and the Fernão Dias Paes college in Rua Pedroso de Moraes, are among the exceptions.

However, a number of new buildings have been constructed in recent years, which readers who are more tolerant of modern architecture than I am might consider noteworthy.

There are still some remnants of the days when São Paulo was a smaller, quieter place. Around the Rua Mourato Coelho area, for example, there are blocks of pleasant three-story buildings. These were constructed about 50 years ago by a Lebanese immigrant for his large family.

They are on a refreshingly human scale and a relief to the eye after rows of 10 and 15-storey monsters. This relief may not last long as high-rises are being built nearby, ready to remove the light and space the residents have enjoyed for half a century.

Small Is Beautiful – But Not in São Paulo

There are also a large number of small terraced houses in more secluded spots, known as “vilas”. Unfortunately a lot of building is going on and some of these vilas are making way for monstrous housing or office projects or are being overshadowed by them.

Some naïve people believe this development will increase the value of their homes but they are falling into the trap set by property speculators who know the price of everything but the value of nothing.

The greed of these developers is seen in the sheer size of some of these projects. For example, two 25-storey “luxury” towers are being built in Rua João Moura, a pleasant, leafy street between Rebouças and Artur de Azevedo.

If each apartment has four cars, that will bring an extra 200 cars onto the street, thereby destroying the tranquility the developers are using as a selling point. This will increase the traffic, noise level and pollution.

If each apartment has a family of six, plus a live-in maid, this means an extra 350 people will require additional resources of water, electricity, gas etc. Small may be beautiful in some places but not in São Paulo.  

Thankfully, there are still many houses around. In the better-off areas around Fradique Coutinho, for example, many have been converted into shops, boutiques and restaurants and are no longer used as residencies. These places are keeping the high-rises at bay for the moment.

In the worst-off areas, such as Cardeal Arcoverde and Largo da Batata, a lot of these houses have deteriorated. The walls are crumbling and scored with graffiti and the houses have been converted into seedy tattoo parlors, martial arts “studios” and cheap lodging houses for incoming migrants.

There has been talk of redeveloping Largo da Batata and making it respectable with a shopping center, restaurants etc, but let us hope these plans remain plans.

São Paulo does not need any more shopping centers or gentrification, as the recent development of the Mercado Municipal shows. What used to be a market has now become a victim of fashion and you need to queue up to buy an overpriced “misto quente” (grilled ham and cheese sandwich).

Street Life

There is no heavy industry in Pinheiros but there are lots of banks, commercial concerns, schools, colleges, hospitals and clinics. Much of the trade is carried out literally on the street.

The area around Largo da Batata and Largo de Pinheiros is filled with stalls, selling everything imaginable, and cut-price shops aimed at the lower-income group.

Walking on the pavement is like carving out a trail in the jungle and the noise from the people and traffic can make you wish you had never set foot in São Paulo in your life.

There are also at least two food markets which pop up on one day a week in different streets. These are good places to get fresh fruit and vegetables at a lower price and of higher quality than the supermarkets.

Pinheiros contains a number of streets which concentrate on one product. One stretch of Rua Teodoro Sampaio, for example, specializes in shops selling musical instruments. It is full of would-be rock stars clutching guitars and salesmen with long hair, garish tee-shirts and tattoos showing their street credibility.

On Saturday afternoons, one shop puts on a free concert. The audience throngs the surrounding pavement and even congregates on the street itself, risking death as buses and cars thunder past them.

If you visit another part of the same street, on the other side of Avenida Henrique Schaumann, you will find dozens of shops selling furniture and house fittings. Just two blocks away, a stretch of Rua Cardeal Arcoverde is filled with shops selling more traditional antique furniture.

Pinheiros is also a good place for book shops. The big FNAC leisure shop, which has now become as much a meeting place as a bookshop, has actually encouraged other book shops rather than crushed them.

There are now about half a dozen second hand book stores nearby where you can also buy and sell CDs, DVDs and videos. They all stock English books although these are often in pretty bad condition.

Most are of the Tom Clancy/Sidney Sheldon type but you can often find more interesting authors. The prices are a fraction of imported books and you can often negotiate a discount.

Pinheiros houses several colleges and language schools, including Cultura Inglesa in Rua Deputado Lacerda Franco. Cultura’s administrative headquarters is a plate glass and steel building in nearby Rua Ferreira de Araújo.

This place opened a couple of years ago and stands out in an otherwise rather rundown area. It houses the UK consulate and other official British bodies and contains an excellent library and IT center.

You can read many of the UK papers and magazines for free and watch the BBC TV World Service. You can also become a member for a mere 15 reais (less than US$ 5) a year and borrow books.

This center also hosts a so-called “English” pub where the prices of the imported beers are enough to make you give up drinking forever or, in my case, stick to the local beer.

Pinheiros also has a so-called “Irish” pub in Rua Cristiano Viana which is as authentic as the so-called “Brazilian” cafés found in Europe. The UK influence is strengthened by the presence of the British School, known as St Paul’s.

Although the school is not actually in Pinheiros, it is as near as you can get, in Rua Juquiá on the other side of Rebouças. There is also a Goethe Institute and a Japanese-Brazilian Cultural Center in Pinheiros. 

Boy Meets Girl  

The large number of students mean that there are plenty of bars, restaurants, nightclubs and places to go dancing. Rua dos Pinheiros, for example, offers lots of options for eating and drinking and is very lively in the evening and at weekends.

During the day it is completely different – almost quiet and calm. Praça Calixto, which hosts a market on Saturdays, which attracts thousands of visitors, also has lots of bars and restaurants.

On Saturdays, it can be too lively, but it is quieter during the week.  Once you have run out of a choice in Pinheiros you can pop over to Vila Madalena, which also offers plenty of night life.

These are great places for young visitors looking around for a local boyfriend or girlfriend. Since these districts are popular with students there is a good chance of meeting people who speak English. This is not the case in most parts of São Paulo or Brazil as a whole. 

There are samba shows at the bottom of Cardeal Arcoverde as the road approaches the Eldorado Shopping Center. If you are looking for paid sex it’s available too. Female prostitutes and male transvestites – known as “travestis” – are on tap day and night, particularly on the other side of the river near the Jockey Club.

This district is not as sleazy as the garish bars and “saunas” found in the Consolação area near the old center. I am not sure if Pinheiros has any “gay” scene.

However the stretch of Rua da Consolação in nearby Cerqueira Cesar, running from Alameda Santos to Oscar Freire, is probably São Paulo’s biggest meeting point for homosexuals.

Pinheiros also has good communication links to other districts and towns like Osasco and Alphaville, through traffic arteries like Rebouças, Avenida Henrique Schaumann, Avenida Sumaré, Rua Cardeal Arcoverde,  Dr Arnaldo and the Marginal.

These roads are all served by local and long-distance buses. Pinheiros is also blessed with metro stations at Clínicas and Vila Madalena and the Pinheiros and Rebouças/Hebraica CPTM train stations.

This train link makes it convenient to get to places like Santo Amaro in one direction and Osasco in the other. This makes it a good place to live if (like me) you don’t have a car or are afraid of risking your neck among São Paulo’s crazy drivers. 

Now the Bad News…    

Despite these eulogies, Pinheiros has a number of drawbacks. Although Pinheiros means “pine trees” in Portuguese, there are not too many pines around nowadays. In fact, the lack of green space is one of the district’s main disadvantages.

However, Pinheiros is not far from the sprawling Ibirapuera park, the large open campus at São Paulo University, the less attractive Villa-Lobos park or the Trianon park in Avenida Paulista.

Despite its name, the excellent Esporte Clube Pinheiros, the largest and probably best-equipped sports club in Latin America, is not actually in Pinheiros but in Jardim Paulista.

To  get in you need to be a member or be signed in by one. Pinheiros has a modest little sports club which is part of Hospital das Clínicas. Anyone can join but the facilities are primitive and unimpressive. However, it provides a quiet, green spot away from the hustle and bustle.

There are also areas of poverty and misery, particularly near the Marginal. Walking down some of these streets is not recommended since beggars and tramps use them as communal toilets and the smell can be revolting.

The district also attracts lots of refuse collectors known as “catadores.” These are men who wander the streets in search of scrap metal, glass, clothes etc, which they can sell.

They pull primitive carts like rickshaw drivers. They are usually ragged, bare-chested and sometimes do not even wear shoes. There is a recycling center just behind the Calvário Church, which is one of the ugliest, smelliest, most unpleasant places in the city.

Refuse collectors, who bring their wares there, hang around or use the area as a base, sleeping on old couches and mattresses and fouling the pavements. This area is about a two-minute walk from Praça Calixto, with its trendy bars and designer shops, and shows the social contrast which marks life in Brazil.

The Sounds of Sirens

Having said that, Pinheiros has no favelas or favela-like areas and, in terms of security, is no worse than other areas. Some years ago there was a spate of assaults on motorists at the junction of Henrique Schaumann and Rebouças, but policing has been stepped up and the situation has improved.

The main drawback of this particular part of Pinheiros is the traffic, which is never-ending. Life as a pedestrian was always unpleasant and dangerous, but has become worse over the last eight months, thanks to a poorly organized road “improvement” scheme, which has left Rebouças virtually without pavements.

Pedestrians are forced to walk across craters and mud or else take their chances on the road. Accidents are common, particularly among the city’s manic motorcyclists. Fortunately for them, Latin America’s biggest hospital, Clínicas, is in Pinheiros.

If they don’t pull through the Araçá cemetery is just across the road. The presence of Clínicas also means that ambulances and helicopters handling urgent cases are a constant presence and noise. Had Paul Simon lived here he would never have written the “Sounds of Silence.”

John Fitzpatrick is a Scottish journalist who first visited Brazil in 1987 and has lived in São Paulo since 1995. He writes on politics and finance and runs his own company, Celtic Comunicações—www.celt.com.br—which specializes in editorial and translation services for Brazilian and foreign clients. You can reach him at jf@celt.com.br.

© John Fitzpatrick 2005



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Travel to Sao Paulo
written by Guest, January 10, 2005
As an American who travels monthly to Sao Paulo, I would say there is nowhere within the city of Sao Paulo that would be an "attractive" place to live, traffic, smog, crime and the difficulty assicoated with this caotic huge city, would make it impossible to enjoy except for short periods. If I was forced to make a choice then I would choose one of the better neighborhoods of Campinas, a large Sao Paulo suburb.
Travel to Sao Paulo
written by Guest, January 10, 2005
My trip to Sao paulo was spent mostly barricaded in my friends compound . While the streets have speed bumps every few feet it seems! that alcool for fuel and lack of catalytic converters on the cars (emmission controls) made the air so smoggy and the commies say the US pollutes the planet as a resident of NYC manhattan is country air compared to sao paulo. Do not get me wrong it is not trash Brasil time .the north east and rio grande do sul where nice and so much better!
A good point
written by Guest, January 10, 2005
I am not sure who the "commies" are, certainly Cuba, North Korea and Vietnam are not major players in regards to Kyoto, the point made is by someone who does not understand the science behind the treaty, our the enviroment itself. But in America's defense, why should they sign an unenforceable treaty? Signing a treaty means something in America and compaines would be help accoutable, the economy could suffer by additional regulations imposed by the government and put America at an economic disadvantage. But countries like Brazil and Mexico, who have already signed continue to pollute at will, with no regard to the treaty they signed, orthe health of th world. And both Mexico City and Sao Paulo are among the dirtiest cities on the face of the earth. With the population moving from the cities back to the rural areas of states mentioned by the poster, I am sure these "better" areas will soon become cesspools in short time, it is the nature of Brazil.
An American Wanting to live in Brazil!
written by Guest, January 10, 2005
Thanks for the article. I just came back from Brazil recently & have to admit that I didn't like Sao Paulo. It's my third visit and it is too noisy & trashy for my tastes. Where is all the greenery? The southern areas like Santo Amaro, Indianpolis.. seem to be better. There has to be more respect for property. Littering is done all over the place. There is no consideration in general to keep the streets clean, graffitti to a minimum, etc.. The people have to respect their own properties and the city they live in.

It does get better once you leave the city. Santos was another mess to say in polite words. Praia Grande has changed within the last 10 years and is much better now. Mongagua is a nice, quiet town and Peruibe was beautiful. The mountains nearby was fantastic for a guy with sore eyes. That's what Brazil should be all about. Nature, Greenery, Respect for the enviornment. If I had to pick a spot, I would say Mongagua for being a quiet town but not much of an infrastructure there. (Schools, Hospitals, etc...) Nice place to retire. Peruibe seemed to have more. Again, I hear that Curitiba & Florianopolis are nice places. So. there are some great places to live.

If you want a nice place to live with most of the conveniences, why not consider the southern sections of the city like Santo Amaro, Sao Caetano do Sul, Sao Andre... There are good schools there, shopping and much more. Then if you want a break... you can always go to the resort towns along the coast and you will be there within 30 mins. to an hour. That might be my plan? Anyone that has any suggestions, I would appreciate it. Good Luck & Peace.
Sao Paulo
written by Guest, January 11, 2005
I have been lucky enough to visit many of the worlds largest and greatest cites. Sao Paulo ranks right there with the worst city that I have ever been in, and I travel their at least 4 times a year...because I have to. If the world wants an example of how poorly a city can be built, managed and policed, look no further than the neighborhoods of this armpit.
...
written by Guest, January 11, 2005
"I have been lucky enough to visit many of the worlds largest and greatest cites. Sao Paulo ranks right there with the worst city that I have ever been in, and I travel their at least 4 times a year...because I have to. If the world wants an example of how poorly a city can be built, managed and policed, look no further than the neighborhoods of this armpit."

You are sadly correct. I too travel broadly and have visited and worked in most of the world´s capitals, and largest cities. Sâo Paulo is certaibly an eye-soar and most def. a city I would NOT recommened to anyone.

Sure the cuisine is top notch, but what does one do to pass the time the remainder of the day when one is not eating? Dodge motoboys? Bullets? Price out armor-proofing for your car?

I´m surprised Mr. Fitzpatrick still lives there. He must being doing financially well, that could be the only reason for a gringo to suffer the pollution, crime and backwardness of that madhouse Brasil embraces as its economic capital.

Regadlress of his motives, I like his articles.
TELL IT LIKE IT IS
written by Guest, January 11, 2005
Always a pleasure to read factual comments about Brazil. John, your pieces are hard-hitting but honest assessments of the way things really are in the land of Carnaval and samba -- or maybe I should quantify that, in Sampa's case, to the land of motoboys and automobiles.
???
written by Guest, January 11, 2005
"the land of Carnaval and samba", Yes, and many, many other things as well, just another idiot gringo that thinks he knows something about Brasil. I have seen this kid a numner of times on this board, I suggest we not respond, then he can go back to his mommy.
re: ???
written by Guest, January 11, 2005
Mr. Fitzpatrick may not know what Brazilians know about Brasil, but having lived there over a decade and adapted to life in the culture, he certainly knows more than most "gringos." And he knows what it's like for gringos trying to live there. Since that is who he wrote this article for, your idiotic arrogant comment is all the more ridiculous and petty. At least you've reminded the "gringos" that immature jerks live everywhere.
I enjoy Sao Paulo
written by Guest, January 11, 2005
I don't have to live there, but I have many Brazilian friends who do. While, I would imagine that it would be difficult for a foreigner to relocate to Sao Paulo, the city, along with all of it's faults has barrios that are nice for shopping, the arts, eating and well...just hanging out. I also enjoy Sao Paulo's multi-cultural business enviroment, being in a hotel elevator you may find business people from Japan, Russia, Germany, and America at the same time...thank god the international business langauge is English, I would be lost with my poor Portuguese! Mr. Fitzpatrick speaks to places to live, but Pinherios is a great place to stay on business, as is Paulista (especialy in the Japanese area...I love suhsi!), and also the area around Morumbi. Yes, I am one who looks forward to my occasional visits to this large and sometimes complicated city, I guess it just depends on your mindset when you arrive.
Talking about you
written by Guest, January 11, 2005
It's you I am talking about dumbass, not Mr. Fitzpatrick!
Me? Well, that was my first post
written by Guest, January 11, 2005
Personally, think you're talking cause you like to hear yourself talking about yourself.
When In Rome ,- (or Sao Paulo),.........
written by Guest, January 11, 2005
I make no pretense of anything more than, after my first visit, returning to live for three months in Sao Paulo, (Santa Cecilia neighborhood). I lived with a Brasilian friend in an apartomento in a typically urban Brasilian situation. I did not expect Paris, London, Disney Land,..in fact I did not expect anything. Life happened to me as it did to others. But when the day came that I could walk alone to the local Futurama and shop and pay while giving my phone number in Portugese was a big day. Riding a city bus was like an old "E" ticket ride at Disney World. It was a hoot, - and people would stand in line for hours for that opprtunity in Florida. Picking out assorted sobremesas at the Padaria Irma became a chereished routine. The only Americans I met were two young Mormon missionaries who enjoyed speaking English over breakfast as much as I did. I felt very close to my Brasilian friends and neighbors and welcomed into their lives because I totally shared with them the difficulties and joys of life as it is lived there. It was sadly very easy to spot the occasional loud, obnoxious North American who unwisely made a scene or attracted attention complaining because things weren't like they were in New York City, Chicago, or Houston. I grew up in Milwaukee where the little old Polish bushas would sweep the porch, steps, sidewalk, and even the street in front of their bungalows. But I knew I was not in Milwaukee or the Tampa Bay area where I had been livng and did not expect Sao Paulo to be the same. One thing I do know and will never forget is that I walked home from Midnight Mass at San Bento's at 2:00am.on Dec. 25, 2002. We passed under the Minhacao and some pretty scary areas, but we were not bothered or approached in any way. If I had done the same in St. Petersburg, Florida, - walk home late at night through the downtown (even on Christmas), I would NEVER have made it.
I guess what I am trying to share is that most of us are lucky enough to have an option of where we want to live or stay. If we don't like it, then don't live or stay there or visit there. There may be trash in Sao Paulo, but it is not necessary for the sometimes arrogant spoiled North American travelor to trash the city. When in Rome, do as the Romans. When in Sao Paulo, do as the Paulistas. Keep your head down, complain about the city services, but then get on with relishing a life with wonderfully warm and gererous friends where everything is not served up in generic plastic servings.
@When In Rome ,- (or Sao Paulo),........
written by Guest, January 11, 2005
@ When In Rome ,- (or Sao Paulo),.........

You do know what a paragraph is don´t you?

"We passed under the Minhacao and some pretty scary areas, but we were not bothered or approached in any way. If I had done the same in St. Petersburg, Florida, - walk home late at night through the downtown (even on Christmas), I would NEVER have made it."

You keep wandering around those decrepid areas in SP a little longer and you´ll be singing a different tune.

Still, would you ever want to live there?

And Paulistas are the loudest most obnoxious people in Brasil. I´ve never seen north Americans´act like Paulistas. Check out Praia Rosa in Santa Catarina during the holidays - you want obnoxious, the Paulistas are only there to make everyone else´s vacation a living hell.
Tell Us
written by Guest, January 11, 2005
Tell us all where you are from and I will then tell you where "the loudest most obnoxious people in America live"
???
written by Guest, January 11, 2005
Cada vez voce prova mim mais intelligente! your idiotic arrogant comment is all the more ridiculous and petty. At least you've reminded the "gringos" that immature jerks live everywhere.

E como voce aconselhou mim sobre voce: "I suggest we not respond, then he can go back to his mommy."

Vou fazer isso agora, bobo.
Everything in Sao Paulo
written by Guest, January 11, 2005
All of you are right of course. Sao Paulo does have a lot of deficiencies. If you live there, what are you doing about it? If you aren't doing anything except venting your discomfort, then I reckon you are part of the problem.

I too am a guest resident in Brazil and encourage all of us to do something, in whatever measure, to open Brazilian's eyes to the fact that they really do have a beautiful country. Lets face it, even the locals that we work and associate with are pretty good people. The culture is friendly and there really are not so many countries on this planet where Americans are welcome with the authenticity of Brazil. Even if we mistreat and insult our host country.

Brazlians do respond and when a Brazilian says "Pode Deixar" you really can leave the matter in his hands.

David Arana
Good Points David
written by Guest, January 11, 2005
Really, it's true, in the current climate of anti-Americanism in the world, in general Brazilians continue to welcome American's. I have lived in Rio for a little over a year on a three year assignement, and while Brazilians like most of the world get their news from the local papers that feed anti-American propaganda. They are willing to listen and accept an American's point of view. I have made many freinds, and have expereinced not one incident of anti-Americanism...well, maybe one at the Gol counter in Sao Paulo, but when I discussed it with the Manager, the situation was dealt with harshly before my eyes, I am not sure if the young lady still has her job. Yes, I would say, that with the few exceptions, Brazilians are "pro-American", I wish people on this site would realize that, and that they have been for a very long time and stop trashing Brazil, and the wonderful people who live here.
Can\'t Blame them if they Are
written by Guest, January 12, 2005
Can't blame the Brazilians if they are anti-American. Americans are the most bigoted, narrow-minded, loud psychotic people on earth. They have no respect for anybody's culture but their own. THey think that everybody ought to get down on their knees and thank God that the rest of the world is blessed with their almighty presence.

Americans are the biggest whiners and complainers of any group of human beings on earth.

I should know all this about Americans because I am one.
When In Sao Paulo - Guest
written by Guest, January 12, 2005
Wow. As a first time poster, I did not expect the "energetic" response, - even to my grammer. Yes, I was mugged in Rio during my first visit. but I had prepared myself for the possibility and the young pivete who grabbed into my pocket got a handful of nothing but a very loud scream. My Brasilian hosts were mortified literally to the point of tears. However I did return to Brasil a year laterwith the intention of living in Sao Paulo. Met with realtors and checked out apartomentos for sale, but could not get my Visa extended with a simple job teaching English.

I discovered that Brasilians, like many other people, for the most part have the ability to distinguish Americans from American policies. I never encountered anti-American feelings directed towards me. On the contrary, I was always without exception treated warmly in Sao Paulo. Even Magilla, the Brasilian national boxing hero, came up behind me in the mall in Marumbi and warned me to be careful because I had on Dockers shorts with the big pockets. He made sure I was being careful about my personal belongings. (After my experience on Av. Atlantica in Rio, I was!)

There is a part of me that wants to respond to some of the recent rudeness on this Board with like kind. But, in fact the very individual(s) who finds it necessary to post anonymous rude comments can be found on any other internet site. There are, and always will be certain people anywhere, - here, in Brasil, NYC, London, or Paris who get their jollies by that sort of thing.

When it came time to leave, I cried in the street when bidding Tchau to my friends. Living in Sao Paulo I had seen more than I would ever have imagined. In my later life I have experienced significant change - (learning that Rome was not the center of Christianity) and Washington, D.C. was not the centerof the political world. My life now revolves on a slightly different axis and I will always have my time in Sao Paulo and the warm, generous, lively, sensual Brasilians to thank for giving me a different and broader view of life. Muito Obrigado!
Tell Us
written by Guest, January 12, 2005
"Tell us all where you are from and I will then tell you where "the loudest most obnoxious people in America live"

LONDON! And I actually don´t care where the most obnoxious American´s live.
Nothing worse
written by Guest, January 12, 2005
Than a loud mouthed, big bellied, beer smelling Brit to tell us all who is obnoxious! f**k the queen my friend!
???
written by Guest, January 12, 2005
Tudo Bem Filha da p**a.
Wow, poor Queen
written by Guest, January 12, 2005
Arew you annoyed at the British head of State or the pop group, how can you respond as you do then call someone else obnoxious, you tend to prove his point.
Now go f**k yourself you uneducated yank peice of s**t.. and you have no friends
yanks
written by Guest, January 12, 2005
I hate loud mouth yanks!! well said, they are nearly all shallow tossers with no idea about culture or others rights.. bollocks to them
Can I join in
written by Guest, January 12, 2005
Yanks have s**t for brains... send them all to iraq
Stay in America if its so good
written by Guest, January 12, 2005
As you have no idea how to enjoy anothers culture...f**king stay home you moaning uneducated pschotic plebs
Agree
written by Guest, January 12, 2005
the americans are in general a bunch of loud mouthed slobs
Agree
written by Guest, January 12, 2005
Wow, for people who seem to hate the US so much you sure do spend a lot of time talking about them on a site geared to Brasil...things that make you go hmmmm....
...
written by Guest, January 13, 2005
Looking at some of the posts I feel like there is an invasion of junior high school kids going on here ... what a pitty ... This site has potential to be a much nicer venue for discussion and mutual learning. A pity it is being spoiled by those brats...
Bitter Ex Pat
written by Guest, January 13, 2005
I couldn´t agree more guest, but when you spend a few years or more here in Brasil - you´ll note that school kid mentality almost EVERYWHERE you go. You need to experience here in Brasil to believe it. On a playful level it´s charming, on a professional level it´s frusterating.

It is a shame the silly banter takes away from the sites intention, but ironically it is actualy a great lesson for those who´ve not been to Brasil but are researching it - these types of childish" tit for tat" debates are inicative of the culture in general - sad but true.
Call the MODERATOR
written by Guest, January 13, 2005
I also think that this site has more to show than some nonsensical comments by some people with lack of self-esteem.

So, why don't you hire a MODERATOR, Fitzpatrick?

If it's not the case, how about making a general search in the comments once in a while and deleting the ones with excessive cursing words?

-Ran
On the \"Bitter Ex Pat\"
written by Guest, January 13, 2005
I'm Brazilian and I always though that there was a way out of this childish Brazilian talk that you are referring to.

While working, I always try to focus on the matter of the current problem and so on. However, with the Brazilian-style way of daily life...

Sometimes, when you are on a meeting or something and say a word or a phrase that can have a double meaning, almost everyone will start laughing and saying something about you that would be funny if the time and place were appropriate. And if you complain, the whole thing gets even worse--"tem culpa no cartorio..."

This same behavior applies for any kind of conversation.

Looking back, I think that what could be lacking in most Brazilians is a sense of respect for one’s opinion and of confusion of time and place to deal with matters of life, of applying the right weight according the necessity of the matter.

Now I live abroad. Guess what? The same thing happens here, but with a twist.
Here people do say funny things IF you allow them to say so. Also, the frequency with they happen is not even a fraction of the Brazilian ones.
\"Not a Bitter Ex-Pat\"
written by Guest, January 13, 2005
This is very interesting dialog, and I would agree to some extent, but please look at the postings again, there seem to be American's and English joining in the fun...imaturety is not cultural. I will agree that the Portuguese language is full of expressions, and Brasilians have a good knack for one liners, the Portuguese language is difficult, and even after 2 years I make many mistakes, my friends are patient and don't laugh...not too my face anyway. Still, Brasilian's posses a huge amount of national pride which results in nationalism, this can not be denied, and while it should be respected, it does sometimes get in the way of a substantive discussion over issues. Eu adoro Brasil!
@NOt a bitter Ex pat
written by Guest, January 13, 2005
"and even after 2 years"

Get back to me after another year or so, we´ll see what tune you´re whistling. But you are correct, national pride get´s in the way of a lot here - whether it´s the Brasilians defending their country, or American´s defending theres´. When you start speaking from the gut, and not the mind, it can get rather heated and emotional.
NOt
written by Guest, January 13, 2005
One more year, then it's back home to the states, San Diego. I will treasure every day that my family has been here, and return often to see the many wonderful Brazilian freinds we have made. My wife is Carioca, and while she enjoyed being home, I imagibe she will be ready to return to the states as well. I am glad that you have found a better life outside of Brazil, and after two years I understand why people hereleave for other countries. But I have great respect for the Brazilians who live here and manage to live productive and happy lives in their country, and there are many. I have found Brazilians to be optimists, while they live every day with the huge problems that continue to plauge this country, there desire to see Brazil better is encouraging, if not realistic.

Abracos,
Nick
written by Guest, January 14, 2005
Here in Los Angelos, CA (where I live) it's one big mass, just like in other big cities. We Americans should concentrate on or own problems because we have alot of problems (social, health) here.
Sao Paulo is a great city. I have visited it 2000 and I enjoyed. For me personel it's like NYC but then more dangerous then NYC but the same like L.A. same mess.
Nick
written by Guest, January 14, 2005
Dear NOt,

You are acting that our country is like Alice in wonderland, but guess what..it's NOT.
Here we also have big problems and with people like you we will never solve it, because we don't like to see it.
Oh, also guess, your city San Diego..is simply Bankrupted by terrible mismanagement.
...
written by Guest, January 14, 2005
"Bankrupted by terrible mismanagement." This statement fits the whole of the "Golden State." They even "arranged" an Austrian to fix that mess...
Whati\'s Wrong
written by Guest, January 14, 2005
What's wrong with the Brazilians playfulness? It is better than the bitter, grim, griping sourfaced American demeanor. Many Americans walk around with their faces screwed up like they are smelling pee.
Nothing wrong
written by Guest, January 14, 2005
Lot's of good stuff to comment on here. First, it is not my job to solve problems in Brasil...it's yours, Brasilians. I simply stated I have enjoyed my assigment here very much and look forward to my last year. As far as California, how can you possibly compare it to any state in Brazil, this is moronic. At least there are still jobs that pay good salaries, all kids can recieve a decent education, the poor don't starve, the is no slave labor in our agricultural areas, agri-workers are not murdered by masked men, if you commit a crime you go to prison, if you commit three crimes you go to prison for life, drug gangs don't terrorize citizens in downtown LA, San Fransico or San Diego...in fact, you can even drive a very nice car without the fear of being kidnapped. And buy the way, Arnold is an American, it is what makes our country great, people can come here and make something of themselves, that is why so many Brasilians leave their familes and risk there lives to come here. Yes, American's sometimes lack culture, and are too serious, I on occasion have been accused of doing so. And I admire the Brasilian "playfulness" it is very amusing, but it gets in the way of people taking Brasil seriously...because of this "playfulness", most in the world find Brasilians untrustworthey in buisness dealings. I have many friends here who have asked my help in contacting American companies in their behalf, because when they say they are from Brasil, they recieve no respect or consideration. No, you keep laughing, and the world will keep moving by you.As for going back to San Diego, I will enjoy walking the streets at night without fear of my families safety.
@nothing wrong
written by Guest, January 14, 2005
Nicely put
I love San Diego, but...
written by Guest, January 14, 2005
... we can't close our eyes to the serious issue of illegal immigration. I have known one San Diego fellow, a boater in the harbor Island marina, who methodically brought in illegal aliens through sea to work God-knows-where, generally for a miserable pay check. This continued on even after tougher border security measures were put in place after 9/11. I suppose the coast-guard had little interest in stopping a luxury yacht. Don't be fooled: this was not a well intentioned fellow, trying to promote the well being of some poorer neighbors to the south. These illegal actions were geared towards profit, and supplied underpaid workers to several bona fide businesses located below the in-land check point. Even if the magnitude of the two problems are very different, the underlying issues of exploitation are the same.
Huh?
written by Guest, January 15, 2005
I am not sure what a posting about illegal immigration in San Diego has to do with an article about Sao Paulo, but immigration in general is a mess in the US. People seem to forget that we allowed 15 people who stayed illegaly, and then eventually flew three airplanes into US buildings...this is the result of our failed immigration policies of the past...there is a lot of blame to share. Illegal immigration is still a huge problem, there is no doubt, although I feel our government is doing a better job, but it is an impossible task to keep out everyone who wants to come here. The US must understand, that it shares some blame with it's policies of exploating developing countries for its own benefit. This explotation, prevents countries from developing strong economies of their own, thus creating the jobs and enviroment necessary to lower illegal immigration. Only by negotiating fair trade agreements and economic policies, can the US polices help keep people at home. In most cases it is not their desire to leave their families and friends, it is survival. I have been impressed with Brasil's stance on trade with America, they seem unwilling to enter into an unfair agreement.
Off-topic... (sort of)
written by Guest, January 17, 2005
I was born in São Paulo and have always lived here. I´ve been to many places in the US from New York to San Francisco, from Miami to Chicago, Europe and places as far as Moscow and I am forced to agree with most of you about the good and bad things about São Paulo. It´s so funny though to see Americans and Brits bickering at each other about petty things... Brazil has lots of problems and São Paulo, thank God, couldn´t be an exception (if it were, everybody would want to live here). I love New York and some day São Paulo and "paulistanos" will solve their (our) problems and become something like NY (a much bettered São Paulo). One thing I´m proud of though... As a "paulistano", and due to the ethnic and cultural diversity of São Paulo, I´ve learned how to behave anywhere in the world, respecting and admiring every culture for what they might have of better. I ceratainly don´t like the American policy towards the world, but of course I don´t blame every American for it. The off-topic is this: GUYS, (GRINGOS), PLEASE, DO WATCH YOUR SPELLING!!! I WANT TO BELIEVE IT´S DUE TO THE HURRY IN WRITING, BUT SOMETIMES I WONDER... ENGLISH IS NOT MY MOTHER TONGUE, AND JUST BECAUSE OF THAT, I TRY TAKE ALL THE CARE I CAN WHEN WRITING IN IT... PLEASE, DON´T KILL THIS WONDERFUL LANGUAGE...

Wellington Peixoto
Correction
written by Guest, January 17, 2005
Please, where you read "...I TRY TAKE ALL THE CARE...", please read, "I TRY TO TAKE ALL THE CARE...". Sorry :-))

Wellington Peixoto
Comments
written by Guest, January 17, 2005
Your comment about not hating all Yanks for policies you don't like is appreciated. The issue I find in these comments is a bunch of general insults and immature comments badmouthing people you don't even know because you object in some way to past behavior of others you have encountered. That does nothing to help anyone. Nor does it encourage fruitful dialog. There is so much more we can talk about here. And yes, such comments are common in every culture -- all too often among people who mistake themselves for intellectuals. It is sad. It just causes more focus on the wrong things, instead of the things that can bring the world together.
In hindsight
written by Guest, January 17, 2005
In hindsight, my comment on illegal immigration in SD does look misplaced. I meant to draw a parallel between exploitation of cheap labor and quasi-slavery in two urban centers of very different background, and it was mostly a counterpoint for Mr. Nothing Wrong.

Cheers!
It is brilliant
written by Guest, January 26, 2005
I have lived in Sao Paulo for five years with my family and we all pretty much love it. It is a difficult city to visit. You need to know your way around, but it grows and grows on you. There is everything here if you know where to look - energy, life, humour, beauty, great restaurants and things to do. And is very inexpensive. It ios not without its problems and shortcomings - but then who is?

In term sof places to live, I would go for Jardins every time. Apartments aare much less hassle than houses.
American looking for my chance...
written by Guest, February 02, 2005
Wow... I was wondering if anyone has some advice for me! I am trying to move to Sao Paulo to work. I dont care about all the bad things about the city, nothing is perfect! Sao Paulo has a lot to offer and I would love to have the chance to work there! Please help!
love sao paulo
written by Guest, February 18, 2005
I lived in sao paulo and neighboring areas (praia grande, maua, sao bernardo) for two years and loved all of it. The city is so big that it offers anything and everything. I highly recommend living all around, each place I lived offered something just slightly different. Keep an open mind and look for great friendships and food. You won't be disappointed!!

Attitude is everything, I promise you'll love SP. I did!!!!!!
Places to live in Sao Paulo
written by Guest, February 24, 2005
I'm from Sao Paulo, and I would strongly recommend to live in one of the following districts:

- Itaim
- Moema
- Vila Madalena
- Vila Nova Conceição
- Jardins

These are places with lots of restaurants nearby, intense nightlife, safe and close to most of the top companies (banks, consulting, others) in the city.

As an advice: short business trips to Sao Paulo in general do not leave a good impression about the city. Try to know the locals, and they will help you a lot to love the city. I'm currently living in the US, and I lived in California for 2 years during my MBA at Stanford, but I miss Sao Paulo every single day.

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Life goes On
written by Guest, March 12, 2005
Sampa became my city since I left a more rural environment in the state of the same name. However, 19 years ago I immigrated to the US & NYCity has become my city of residence & Sampa my "pie d'aterre" (however you spell or pronounce that expression). When I recently visited SP I found it more dirty than under Marta, the previous mayor & Im not even crazy about her. SP's & Brazil's social problems havent got any better either, but I still enjoyed eating 'picanha' at a Vila Madalena restaurant/cafe', & shared leftovers of a pizza disk I had bought at Habib's in Vila Mariana with kids watching parked cars for some money & appreciated the architecture of sobrados (townhouses) in Pinheiros/Vila Madalena sections & huge terraced "apartamentos" in Morgado de Mateus St. in between Vl. Mariana & Ibirapuera Pk neighb. To make a long story short, I have been trying to live w. the garbage & crime of New York as well as Sampa. But I've never been mugged there or in Rio, but twice here in the Big Apple. And I have been trying to do my best to making a difference in both environments, for yes, we are responsible for bringing a change to wherever we go. In NYC I teach in the so called 'ghettos' where many US nationals fail to set foot but instead bash poverty & crime in other countries when it is the responsibility of descendents of many comfortable opressors to help social mobility happen for the less forntunate. NY, CA, or even London, are after all places where luxury & misery walk together during the day & at dusk people return to their segregated living. If you call that development & democracy & think that only the "3rd world" is marked by those sad factors, you're dead wrong. By living in and visiting world cities such as Sao Paulo, Rio, New York, San Francisco, San Diego, Los Angeles, Guadalajara, Puerto Vallarta, San Juan, London, Paris, Istanbul, Prague, Lisbon, Porto, Barcelona, Madrid, Barcelona, Salamanca, Geneva, Amsterdam, & Brussels, I've learned to appreciate beauty in any setting & people (& sometimes get mad at them too) & be more compassionate towards human misery. After all, we're the same old world w. great potentials & yet w. the same terrible weaknesses of greed, apathy, prejudice, & selfishness, which need to be promptly addressed, for all we do reflects on ourselves. Fitzpatrick is right about the Pinheiros neighborhood, which strives to be a little town crashed by highrisers. Sampa's metro system is only 57 km long & very young but, despite lack of proper AC, is the cleanest in the world maybe because it isnt open 24 hrs & one can always see someones sweepig even inside its wagons. Homelessness is a bigger eyesore in SP than in NYCity, not because SP has more peddlers, but because many of them are street kids (Hey, Brazil is the country w. the largest number of Roman Catholics & even condoms are discouraged by archbishops. Not that the faithful take them that seriously in Brazil or are all impregnating careless teens. But you never know the extent of the influence! Maybe I should blame ignorance & not the church. Or both!) Unless you have lots of money & care about status, please do not move to Itaim, Moema, Vl Nova Conceicao, or Jardins like someone suggested. And forget about Morumby (too far, cold, & snobbish, though there are favelas there too & kidnaps may happen). Those sections do not necessarily represent the spirit of Brazilian cities, for well-to-do or wannabes live there & as a tourist you dont want to be surrounded by Hillfigger stores & pretense "1st world" inhabitants. When they get kidnapped & only freed after a certain amount of money is paid, you may even wonder if the saying "what goes around comnes aorund" isnt being fulfilled. Needless to say, the wealthy here, as well as in all parts of this world, live in opulence & are served by low paid workers who can barely pay for the rent of their shacks. For culture, go to MASP museum --the largest in Latin America-- on Paulista Ave. which looks like a suspended concrete box, dedicated by none other than the Queen of the UK; the Pinacoteca museum in the Luz district where 2 magnificent train stations have been restored & part of one of them functions as a symphonic hall (be extra careful in the area also called Cracolandia cause of the crack addicts, prostitutes, pimps & criminals); the Sacred Art museum & a huge Neapolitan Nativity scene across form Pinacoteca on Tiradentes Ave.; Ipiranga Independence Museum; the Bandeiras monument w. horses & Paulista Pioneers in the Ibirapuera pk; the Unique hotel for fancy drinks; Se' Cathedral in the centro & Syrian Orthodox Cathedral at Paraiso metro station; Achiropita church in Bela Vista or Bixiga, one of the Italian sections where the best pizza in the world is served in many pizzerias & cantinas, between Bixiga & Liberdade the Basilica do Carmo is a fine example of Brazilian barroc with paintings by Benedito Calixto, which gave name to Fitzpatrick beloved square in Pinheiros which may have some interesting gals/guys but boy i has turned ugly since I took German classes at the Goethe Institut there. Liberdade metro sta. has a Japanese fair on Sundays & lots of restaurants. Streets may have Japanese style poles & lamps but the sections is greyish & not that amusing. Vila Madalena has many bars, restaurantes & night clubs & so does Jardins, Moema on Ibirapuera Ave. & sections as far as Tatuape' in the Zona leste (East Side), but the old Centro around Republica Square has the best galeto (deeply fried chicken parts w/ plenty salad bar & rice) at Galeto's & some fine restaurants & churrascarias in hotel restaurants such as Hilton SP. Pompeia in the Zona Oeste not far from Madalena & Pinheiros has one of the best churrascarias where freshly Brazilian style barbecued meats are served from their skewrs. Caipirinha, as you may know is a national cachaca or vodka drink, but in the damp Paulistano winter without heating system, "vinho quente" (hot wine) is often served. You may also find "quentao", hot cachaca w/ ginger & other spices on festas juninas --celebration of the 3 popular saints Anthony, John & Peter in June-- usually at home or rented clubs where country style square dance is performed & hill billy costumes are worn. A cosmopolitan immigration center, SP is a gourmet mecca ranging from Native (Paulista, Mineira, Northeastern,Bahian, Amazonian, Gaucha, Midwestern, Carioca, Feijoada) to Portuguese, Italian, Polish, Scandinavian, French, Arabic, Japanese, Korean, Indian, Chinese, German, Jewish, Vegetarian, Armenian, Turkish, Russian,etc. The food is tasty & not forte on condiments such as the Bahian or even certain US soups, for Paulistanos are not usually crazy about black or red pepper. As NYC & many other places, you have to know SP better to like it. Pollution & the first sights from the airport to the city may shock you. Once you get used to the crazy weather, if you ever do, & the people, who are often bashed as Brazil's coldest --but any Brazilian will enjoy the company of a foreigner-- you'll get to like this vibrant creative megalopolis.
Single and Young
written by Guest, March 22, 2005
I want to travel to Brazil and have fun. Where are the best spots to have some good drinks and meet cool people. Thanks. ARod
RESPONDENDO A UM COMENTARIO
written by Guest, May 11, 2005
Dear Off-topic... (sort of),
Eu comcordo com voce quando voce disse que era para as pessouas AMERICANAS prestarem mais atencao quando estiverem escrevendo... eles escrevem tudo errado... eu escrevo o portugues errado.. tambe sei disso mais e porque ja morro nos USA a muito tempo... mais voltando ao seu comentario... voce falou que o Ingles nao e a sua LINGUA... voce usa a palavra LINGUA no Brasil.. quando voce vai escrever isso aqui nos USA, voce nao so traduz a palavra para o Ingles porque tem umas palavras que nao faz sentido intende??? Entao so para deixar voce sabendo... nao usa a palavra TONGUE... ela esta ERRADA, usa a palavra LANGUAGE...

Nao leve a mal... mais quando eu li o seu comentario e vi que voce estava dando a MAIOR licao de moral, voce mesma escreve errado... eu ri tanto!!! voce nem imagina!!!
Desculpa... mais eu te ajudei ne!!!
Bye !!!

Neil Fitzpatrick
written by Guest, May 22, 2005
John,

I had amired to your comments on brasillian culture, I know about the americans however what reception do the scottish people like yourself and me also, Planing to go to rio next year
...
written by Guest, May 30, 2005
ye
Rob
written by Guest, April 26, 2006
I have now been to Sao Paulo at least 5 times. Once to Rio. I found Brazillians to be so charming and friendly. I never went anywhere NEAR anything tourist like for a minute. I engaged every Brazillian that I could. I rode the subway, walked at night. Walked thru the parks. I agree that Sao Paulo is not the prettiest city on earth I used common sense walking around town and always put 50 real in my shoe. But to bash such a place is simply wrong. It has almost 20 million people living in it. I can't imagine what Orlando might look like with 20 million people. I could not get enough of the little cafe's, sandwich shops etc I honestly think that I would love to live in such a city. I live currently in Orlando, Fla and I think this town needs more work that Sao Paulo. The cultural capital of Florida. If you want to go and meet some real Brazillians - then you'll have to leave the safety bubble of the Crowne Plaza or Marriott - and get out in it. Stop living in fear. Use common sense, but get out and mingle. I met some wonderful people. I could get mugged leaving the Ill Wind Tea room in Boca Raton too - but I don't loose sleep over it.

I love Sao Paulo. Like New York City to me. Except with no east coasters in it!

Brazil is great! São Paulo too.
written by Guest, May 12, 2006
I´m Italian and visit São Paulo 5 times. The city has a lot of problems, but brasilian people are the most beautiful population of the world:happy, friendly.
To stay in São Paulo is more pleasant than to stay in most of big cities in USA or Europe. American are very arrogants and in Europe people are not friendly, mainly in Fance, Spain and Germany.
I recommend that who lives or visit São Paulo to go to Morumbi Stadium to watch a soccer game. São Paulo Soccer Club is the present World Champion, having defeated the rich Liverpool in the final in Japan.
São Paulo have many pretty girls (there is no country with more beautiful girls than Brazil) and Malls are good places to enjoy the day.
Sao paulo Guidance
written by Soni, January 03, 2007
Hi All,
What a good collection of comments there ! Nice work guys!!
Now, please help me for -
Location to stay in a rental flat for two near Av Paulista in Sao Paulo.
What can be the rent for 1 bed room flat furnished with bed,TV, Fridge , washing machine and a decent kitchen.
Thanks to all in advance.
P.S. Please avoid comparing any culture and countries.
--Soni
Other places that I believe to be much better than Sao Paulo (my opinion)
written by Joe Silva, May 25, 2007
I read all comments in this page, I like people's point of view.
I've been to Sao Paulo many times, and I didn't like it, too big, too noise, polution. Even Rio, it's not ok with me, but the Regiao dos Lagos, this is something else, Buzios, Rio das Ostras, Cabo Frio, Arraial do Cabo,I feel as I'm in another planet. I am a Brazilian living in the USA for about 21 years, and thinking to move back to Brazil, 6 months here and 6 months there, I deal with real estate in Florida, and I started something else in Brazil with real estate as well, in my site www.flatpoint.com yet under constrution, and will be ready in few days, I will show a side of Brazil unknown for too many people, showing mansions, etc... because of the lack of information in not having a MLS to back them up, realtors in Brazil are stuck and can't spread the word, and I wish to become a connection, helping visitors and those thinking about move to Brazil, perhaps my site could help them.

Sincerely

Joe Silva
...
written by amanda, August 18, 2007
I went to brazil in febuary, we stayed in rio das ostras with my in laws , i cant stop having the urge to go back. My first impression when i arrived in rio de janairo was how dirty it was, but the people were so kind and fun loving and free, i loved it. People talk about all the crime but i was not scared once[accept for their driving lol]. If i thought for one second that my husband could get a job there i would movoe without question
Sao Paulo and Peruibe
written by colony14 author, March 23, 2008
I'm an American married to a Brasilian. My wife is from Sao Paulo, but she lived in England and the United States for at least 10 years. I've been visiting Brasil since 2004, and we moved here permanently in December of 2007. We are renting a house in Peruibe, about two hours south of Sao Paulo, while we look for a house to purchase here.

I like Peruibe, but you could not pay me to live in Sao Paulo. It has to rank among the dirtiest, ugliest, and most crowded cities in the world. Aside from some nice restaurants, it has absolutely nothing going for it. The architecture is disgusting. (It seems that no one has ever heard of steel or glass - everything is drab concrete.) There seem to be more buildings with graffiti than without, and how some of the vandals get their spray paint five stories up is beyond my comprehension.

Traffic in Sao Paulo is abominable. Trees and greenery are quite rare. Stray dogs are abundant. Subways and buses are overcrowded to an obscene level. The favelas (shantytowns) may not be quite as violent as those in Rio, but there are more of them in Sao Paulo. (Life expectancy in a Sao Paulo favela is probably greater than for one in Rio, but likely not by much.)

Most of Sao Paulo consists of poorly-constructed adobe brick or cinder block houses, plastered over and painted (to which is then applied the graffiti, and layers of soot from tens of thousands of old, smoke-spewing trucks). If there are any building codes, they're not being followed. If a homeowner has no room to expand his house outward, he expands upward - regardless of whether the foundation can properly support the addition. In the event of a large earthquake here, there will be a disaster at a level unkown in recorded history.

Even my wife, who is a "paulista," refuses to ever again live in Sao Paulo. We'll visit relatives there from time to time, but that's about it. In the meantime, we'll buy a house in Peruibe, and hope it remains tranquil (when it isn't jammed with holiday visitors at New Years and Carnaval).

I've certainly experienced most of the good things people have had to say about Brasil and its people, but Sao Paulo is not for the faint of heart. If you have to live there, save as much as you can and hope for the day when you can get out!

thanks to everyone that talks about life in SP
written by Iva, November 09, 2009
Just wish to say thanks to everyone that uses this post to explain to us 'gringos' realistically how it is to live in SP, more points of view - the better. When many different views are posted on any given topic (i.e. what can a foreigner like / dislike about SP?), then and only then someone like me - who has never visited the country - can actually form an opinion, not to forget being very grateful for the assistance along the way.

Further, please note we (foreigners) all read these blogs about SP as we potentially wish or need to relocate / live / travel there.

So , please, all of you that have something to add or share about actual life in SP, please go ahead, disregard the comments on ethinicity etc. newyorkers, brits, sept 11th, or else, and just tell it like it is, keeping your focus on SP. It's not that other opinions do not count, but, it would really help a great deal for us that came here to collect the needed information, to do so without getting involved in other debates... smilies/smiley.gif

P.S. Hope no one got offended smilies/smiley.gif, that was never my intent...

P.S.S. I also wish to kindly ask any foreigner currently living in SP to discuss, from his point of view, best areas to live in SP for someone not in the highest income bracket, but having a decent, but monthly, earnings, i.e. high salary is SP terms, good salary in terms of earning abroad, but still, a salary.

Thank you all for taking time to read my post, and hopefully, give some further insight! THANKS IN ADVANCE,

Iva
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written by loan, January 29, 2012
That is perfect that we can take the home loans and that opens up new possibilities.

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