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US Envy Behind Brazil’s Linguistic Reactionaryism PDF Print E-mail
2005 - January 2005
Written by John Fitzpatrick   
Friday, 21 January 2005 08:54

Washington's Washington MonumentAbout two years ago I wrote an article suggesting that President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva should learn English. One reason was to be able to communicate directly with world leaders on the international stage and the other was to set an example to the less educated class from which he comes.

As far as I know he has not made any steps to learn English and is unlikely ever to do so.

The recent announcement that candidates for positions in the Brazilian diplomatic service need not have a qualification in English shows that ignorance is bliss in Lula’s Brazil.

This move reflects nothing more than the foolish anti-Americanism which infects the foreign service, the Itamaraty, and the inferiority complex this government feels in relation to the US.

The foreign service is run by a bureaucrat called Samuel Pinheiro Guimarães whose nationalistic view of the world is as narrow as Brazil is broad. His power is such that even the Foreign Minister, Celso Amorim, has publicly backed the move even though he cannot possibly really believe in it.

Diplomats are noted for their reticence but two prominent ambassadors—one serving and the other retired—have voiced their opposition and stated that fluency in English was essential for any diplomat in the modern world.

This argument is irrelevant to the current administration which is almost proud of its lack of education. You only have to recall the number of times Lula has sneered at the intellectual qualifications and linguistic ability of his cosmopolitan predecessor, Fernando Henrique Cardoso, to recognize this.

Lula is constantly making speeches on the need to improve educational opportunities yet he never seems to take any himself.

Amorim said the move was being made to allow more people from a wider social background to apply for positions. This may be so, but will any of these people actually get jobs, break through the system and become senior diplomats?

Can we expect to see a black or mulatto or Indian Brazilian ambassador in Washington, Paris, Rome or London in the near future? Let us make a note to check the social background of the Brazilian diplomatic corps in 10 years time and see if it better reflects existing society.

I am willing to bet the move will make no difference and the service will continue to reflect its current cozy self-contained little world of professional diplomats and political hacks put out to stable.  

History Lesson       

Disliking a language because it belongs to an oppressor may be understandable but does not necessarily good sense. After all, the Brazilians are proud to speak Portuguese even though they declared themselves independent from Portugal almost 200 years ago.

If Lula would pick up a history book he would learn that Portuguese enjoyed a brief moment of glory during the 17th century when it was the lingua franca in Asia, thanks to the activities of Portuguese sailors and merchants.

In “The Dutch Seaborne Empire 1600-1800”, the English historian. C. R. Boxer, describes the frustration of the Dutch in their attempts to impose their tongue (and harsh Protestant religion) on their settlements in India, Ceylon and the East Indies.

Boxer quotes a Dutch governor-general  as saying: “The Portuguese language is an easy language to speak and easy to learn. That is the reason why we cannot prevent  the slaves from Arakan who have never heard a word of Portuguese (and indeed even our own children) from taking to that language in preference to all other languages and making it their own.”  

Boxer goes on to write that “…Portuguese remained the lingua franca of the Dutch settlements despite periodic efforts by the government to displace it in favour of Dutch.

Not a few Dutch women, born and bred of European parents at Batavia (modern Jakarta), spoke a Creole form of Portuguese in preference to their mother-tongue, in which they could express themselves but haltingly.”

Nowadays, almost no one speaks Portuguese in Asia and the only presence are a few churches and fortresses scattered across the East like Ozymandias’ statue in Shelley’s poem.

The newly independent state of east Timor made the strange decision to have Portuguese as its official language, but its proximity to Australia is likely to result in this being changed in the near future.

What a pity Lula and his fellow reactionaries from the Itamaraty cannot enter a time machine and go back a few centuries to a time when globalization meant speaking Portuguese.

John Fitzpatrick is a Scottish journalist who first visited Brazil in 1987 and has lived in São Paulo since 1995. He writes on politics and finance and runs his own company, Celtic Comunicações—www.celt.com.br—which specializes in editorial and translation services for Brazilian and foreign clients. You can reach him at jf@celt.com.br.

© John Fitzpatrick 2005



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Lula and English
written by Guest, January 21, 2005
You are probably right about Lula and his reticence to learn the English language. His reaction to the idea has probably already cost him a lot of grief. He has to wish that he had learned English long ago. In a country where almost every town has a profusion ofEnglish schools, the president must know that the decalaration (that candidates for positions in the Brazilian diplomatic service need not have a qualification in English) are pretty empty. His advisors and ministers also know that there are many Brazilians coming up to replace them that have no compunctions about learning English and that the contrary is true. The surest way to get Lula's pride stirred up is to tell him that his language is not the universal language. If he doesn't want to make the effort, leave him alone. It is important to you and I that he learn English. If his priorities don't match up with ours, so be it, he is the President and he does have other things on his plate. I have learned that many people in high positions actually know more than they admit, but when it comes to negotiating a position, they don't want to risk giving away the farm on misunderstandings.
It\'s Only Common Sense
written by Guest, January 21, 2005
I am an American who went through great and difficult lengths to learn Portuguese as an ex-pat for an American company, so PLEASE don't tell me what an easy language it is to learn. The President's position on this is totally foolish, and may even be a political liability in the next election. He has take a position that because he is under educated and speaks only Portuguese, that it is OK for everyone managing Brasil and it's interests in the world to be under educated and speak no English. His "look at me, I can do it, so you can to attitude", is shamful for a President whose country only educates kids that can afford private schools. Nonsense Mr. President, and you should be ashamed of your position. Future Brasilian diplomats may refrain from learning English, but succesful private sector ones will continue with their efforts to learn and improve their language skills. Why? Go into any Sao Paulo hotel elevator early in the morning. You will find people from Japan, UK, Brasil, Germany, and Russia in the same elevator...in suits. And just guess how they are communicating?
It\'s actually a good thing!
written by Guest, January 21, 2005
Not speaking English will impede Lula from doing Fidel Castro's bidding around the world. The Brazilian press complains about GW Bush meddling in world affairs while Lula tries to help Castro and Chevez strongarm Colombia into not protecting the safety of it's people and turning a blind eye to Communist rebels who want to destabilize the country. Worse still is Lula's lobbying for worldwide taxation. Not speaking English is the least of our worries from Lula; being a red stooge is a much bigger worry! Learning a language is not that difficult, I never lived in Brazil. I learned Portugese because I was a Confederate ex-pat living near Boston at the time. Learning Portuguese and associating with the Portuguese/Brazilian community in Massachsetts is easier than trying to associate with brain-dead New Englanders (Ma*****es from Massachusetts)! It was interesting to discover a Brazilian community in Dixie after escaping Kennedy-Kerryland! Ate mais, y'all!
What a disgrace.
written by Guest, January 21, 2005
Happy New year! Mr. Fitzpatrick.
Once again, instead of going forward speed to better the future of the country and the living standards of its citizens with over fifty percent in miserable conditions, the elected leaders take the population back into the stone ages for another century.
The president doesn't have to speak English because he hired people who speaks foreign languages. Meanwhile, requesting that future generations of leaders deprive from learning one of the most popular languages in the world to enter the School of Diplomats is ludicrous. It's like attending guitar lessons and not knowing to read music notes. I'm sure that his present and ex-Minister of Education, not to mention Brown Univ. Alumni FHC are scraching their heads. How will future canditates and President Silva join ex- diplomats on the lecture bandwagon abroad if he doesn't express his sententious in the universal tongue? Maybe, Portunhal or Spanglish will be the next required prerequisite.
Muito obrigado! Brasileiro que fala tres idiomas + ou - .
some point
written by Guest, January 21, 2005
Well just want to tell that the dutch lanquage it is more hard for the Indias and some asian country at the time, same happens to english speakers to another lanquage, some are easy others are just ....like Portuquese!? Portuquese is more idiomatic easy to catch up for those people...Indians, asians...and off course, the size of portuquese speakers vs the dutch on the India, and others countries which they trade on that time was problaby very large, I mean they founded colonies to trade there, you don't cross a ocean and be back in one week, right!. If you look for "linqua franca" in english dicionary, you will find the meaning. But today, is easy to learn english for the same reason, and better, exemple are music, movies, internet, etc. Like the portuquese on the 17 century they been doing work for a century on those few countries, and the dutch just could not grow roots...English lanquage has it's turn in the last 100 years, most thanks to the Americans, but here the impact is worldwide and deep...in the future maybe we will change when we got trade with some outer space aliens, I wonder which lanquage will be easy to catch ? little joke, ok. still if you have a son/daughter, do a favor for them, teach a lanquage or two, Don't wait for Lula, Brazil needs them. I'm sure they will always get some good winds to take them the friends shores. If you are gringo, please learn some Portuquese. Thanks.
Look at it another way.
written by Guest, January 21, 2005
The good example that Lula sets to the less educated class from which he comes is that Brazilian democracy has matured sufficiently to be able elect someone from his background. Of course, it would be useful if Lula could speak English, for example, to establish personal rapport with other world leaders, but the fact is that he doesn't and Lula's time is better used trying to govern well. Certainly diplomats needs to be fluent in the de facto global language, but I suspect that Patrick's assertion that the recent announcement that candidates for positions in the Brazilian diplomatic service need not have a qualification in English is an história mal contada rather than showing that ignorance is bliss in Lula’s Brazil - a too simplistic (and prejudiced?) conclusion.
Basic manners
written by Guest, January 22, 2005
If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all. One can have a third grade education and practice basic manners. Too many in the Brazilian government officials fan racism against Americans. If you translate newspapers from Nazi Germany and substitute "American" for "Jew", it would be all too similar to the stuff I read that is written by Brazilians these days.
For Brasil
written by Guest, January 22, 2005
As an American doing business in Brasil, I have an opportunity to interact almost everyday with Brasilian professionals and executives. The Brasilians with whom I do business with are serious and talented, and work vey hard to support their familes, as well as portray Brasil as a good place to do business, they are having a very positive impact for Brasil. They all speak English remarkably well. America takes this for grantite, as few people in America take seriously the need to have a second language. Eu sou um estudante de Portuguese agora, mas Portuguese e muito dificl! President Lula's change to the foreign service entry requirement, of not requiring a second language takes Brasil a giant step backwards, and smacks of anti-Americanism, and unproductive nationalism. The good news is, that the educated and talented business people I spoke so highly of, are the people who will move Brasil forward, not the government anchors in which every country supports as welfare reciepients. Brasil will move forward whether or not some embassy stooge speaks English. To me, this is just another non-issue, splashed with glory on the front pages of Brasilian newspapers. Obrigado.
English, could we stop to..
written by Guest, January 22, 2005
Please, don't say that Brazilian don't speak english because of Americans...again, The Americans don't hold right over the english lanquage..so, could we stop! everytime, when someone say english word..is 1- A American saying is doing business, is married..whatever! and 2- Is a Brazilian answering the 1. This website is about Brazil and Only Brazil. The Patrick point is Lula has a good up coming fight for positions in his life, He fought Generals, He founded PT, He did a lot..he put his life in the game. But all require learning the oposition, enemy, whatever you want to call, All require knowlodge, learning to adapt. The point is Why now, after all the battles, The last one is like 15 years to became president, if he knew the new walls in this battle one would be the english speaking world, He had time to show the "Best" of him and Brazil. To adapt again, the impact would be better if Lula, a poor man, under-educated, fight for it and became the president of Brazil, and knew to read english on the UN open assembly ( he don't need to speak fluenty) Do you know what the people would think about? Well Bush and Blair would became envy, because most of the biggest business people or company in the world, the founder of those companies were less educated than LULA! and they know what takes to have this kind of fiber, pure vision of the future!, has he, Lula, forgot that? he knows what the real Brazilian hunger, is Education, always learning to adapt in the real world today, and today you need to know a little of english. So he can do what Lula does best...Talk, trade, negotiate! if he already drives the first world economy crazy, reading in english would drive then crazier. But would shut up them and get real respect from the most important people...Big Bussines, after that the big countries would bend over...and that is what the game is all about!....obs: poor Bush, Bush father would spank him..What I spent a lot of money in your education, and you can only say some words in spanish! and this guy from Brazil is getting all! go to you white house room young man! , and stay there! Bush son "Buaaa". little joke people!
English, could we stop to..
written by Guest, January 22, 2005
I applaud your attempts at writing in English, but what is it you were trying to say? That was one long meandering unintelligible ramble. I thought I saw one or two points at the verge of being formulated, but in the end it all just broke down into senseless drivel. Could you please try again?
english, could we stop ti..
written by Guest, January 22, 2005
Oh, I forgot, If Lula read, speak, or really knew english....The real impact in the world would be the Portuquese lanquage...All the eyes from the world once and for all looking at our culture! What are the Brazilians so special? And you know to knows someone culture one has to learn the lanquage first! And once again, in the future we would have the lanquage of choice to trade.
Re: Could we stop to...
written by Guest, January 22, 2005
Thanks, yes english is not my lanquage....I got excited...but I won't try again...do like good educated people..if don't understand, read again, and again...but don't accept my ideia, let your head take you whaterver it wishs. Boa viagem!
Some points
written by Guest, January 22, 2005
I will grant "English, could we stop" the fact that President Lula has risen through a series of remarkable accomlishments to become President of Brasil, just because he is under educated, or does not speak English, does not mean he is stupid, he is far from it. He is remarkably clever and smart. Still, the poster's anti-American statements and sterotyping, do not reflect or address that FACT, that as of this time, English, be it American or British, is the common language of the world, in both diplomacy, as well as business. President Lula has a right to show Brasilians that by hard work and sacrifice, you can rise in Brasil, it is a message needed badly. But by the PT's decision to eliminate English from foreign service requirements as the author of the article said a trival attempt at anti-Americanism. Two additional items for the poster. The PT Party Lula put together, is rapidly falling apart and will soon be a small factor in Brasilian politics. And, if this website is for Brasil? Then why do they translate the articles into English...the language you say Brasil no longer needs?. For the time being, Brasil still needs America much more than America needs Brasil, it may change in time, but this is a simple fact...so get over it.
Mr. Fitzpatrick does not know what he i
written by Guest, January 22, 2005
Do you really know what you are talking about? There are two classes of subjects in the examinations for candidates who want to become members of the Brazilian diplomatic service: eliminatory and classificatory. Eliminatory subjects (Portuguese, Brazilian History, General History and Geography) are those where if a candidate’s performance is bellow a certain threshold he is eliminated independently of how good his performance is in the other subjects. Classificatory subjects are those where a bad performance of the candidate does not necessarily put him/her out of the competition (he/she may, in theory, compensate his/her bad score in one of the classificatory subjects by performing well in others).
Thus, in theory, a candidate could pass the Rio Branco examination with a bad score in the English test. However, the public examinations for future diplomats are so competitive that the passing chances of a candidate who performs badly in one of the classificatory subjects are negligible!! It is complete non-sense even to conjecture the possibility that someone without fluency in English could pass those exams …
About Mr. Fitzpatrick suggestion that Lula should learn English … it is so ridiculous it deserves no comments … C’mon Man, Lula is busy managing one of the biggest economies of the world …
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written by Guest, January 22, 2005
If Lula would take English lessons from George W. Bush then the whole world would be saved. Lula would develop that special pronounciation of the word nuclear as "nuquear." It is a shame that Lula didn't receive that special education bought by the sons and daughters of the rich from Yale University . It has allowed President Bush to avoid such bad mistakes as leading thousand of young Americans to their death in Iraq. Knowing English has certainly allowed him to listen to the rest of the world and be heard by them.
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written by Guest, January 22, 2005
the time to for Lula to become more educated was years ago...he is now a very busy man being the president of a country of 180 million people..it is absurd to think that he would now have time for linguistic study...however..he should encourage all brazilians to put great emphasis on education...to be fair...Mr. Bush can only speak a few words of spanish...and he has an ivy leage education...
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written by Guest, January 22, 2005
TODOS OS PRESIDENTES DEVERIAM APRENDER INGLES,PORQUE E A LINGUA OFICIAL DO MUNDO. OS EMBAIXADORES DEVERIAM APRENDER A LINGUA LOCAL
Anti-Americanism is cool in Brasil
written by Guest, January 23, 2005
Your comparison of George Bush and President Lula is laughable...and I am no Bush fan. Bush leads the richest most powerful country in the world, you may not like it, but live with it. Lula on the other hand leads a country always on the brink of economic disaster, modern slavery, that can not provide its people the basic social needs considered humane. Yes, George Bush somehow made it through Yale in a drunken frat boy haze, and he ran 5 companies into the ground before he had some success owing an major league baseball team in Texas. Then by some miracle he was elected President. The largest difference is that Lula and Brasil present no danger to the world, only to Brasil. And Brasil presents no danger to the world. Bush on the other hand, is the worlds greatest danger, and there is no doubt that he will expand America's global occupation desires, all with the amazing support of the American people. What the American people don't seem to recognize is that it in Korea, Vietnam and Iraq, the US has been less than succesful against a determined enemy. If America continues to lose freinds, and spread itself thin, then a day of reckoning is on the horizen. History has shown this time and again with the Roman's, British, and French. America seems to think it can prosper with no friends, well, let's just wait and see.
English
written by Guest, January 23, 2005
Why should Lula learn English? George Bush the leader of the "free world" can't speeak english. lula should concentrate on making sure that the average Brazilian has enough to eat, has basic health care and provide an education for all Brazilian people.

Cardoso might speak english but look at what a disaster he turned out to be for the Brazilian people.Does it mean that because a leader knows how to speak English he is going to be a better leader? gangsters like Karzhai or Allawi or Mubarrak speak English but are they good for their country?? the answer is they are only good to look after US intersests.Yet popular leaders like Castro ,Chavez or Kathami can't speak English but they will make sure that their countries are not enslaved by the U.S.Cuba Venezuela, Iran, Vietnam are no English speaking countries but they are far more free than US occupied countries who speak English eg South Korea Colombia England Kuwait and about 150other countries .

George Bush
What a fool
written by Guest, January 23, 2005
It always gets down to a posting from a knuklehead like this trying to fan a fire. I'm out of here.
language or politics
written by Guest, January 23, 2005
I do not think that Lula being a bit more educated and having his diplomatic corp should be so political. English is the world's language across many spheres and Brasil is just now entering a more respectful position vis a vis the world. He must deal with this whether he likes it or not.

I dont worry too much about Mr "Squid" because he only has a few more years left and then I am sure that the Brasilian people will vote for someonee a bit wiser and worthy of the country's new international possibilities.
star99
written by Guest, January 23, 2005
Certainly the president of Colombia speaks English. And probably is more permisive of american agenda. But that doesn't mean that the knowledge of English conduct to be servant of the american goverment. The knowledge of English is a tool intended to express ideas and understand better the leaders that usually speak English.
On the other hand I do not believe that not knowing English would affect Lula da Silva seriously. He is inteligent enough to get where he wants.
It doesn\'t matter, tenemos la misma voz
written by Guest, January 23, 2005
For anyone who really cares about what is being said by anyone try using babelfish or altivista translation tools which are free on the internet. Wars are the product of insane egomaniacs using the ignorance of people to their advantage. People worldwide have the same core values such as freedom, love of family and sustainable ecology to support these values. Lies lead people to destruction and death. Anyone seen any Weapons of Mass Destruction lying around lately? Try looking in Israel and its puppet the U.S.
english and portuguese
written by Guest, January 24, 2005
A poor score in portuguese and english will ELIMINATE the candidate of the rio branco entry exam from moving on to the next phase of the examination. Whoever wrote that english does not got it wrong. The proposed change is that english would not eliminate and would be included in the second part of the examination.
Some time ago portuguese, english and french were all subjects that would eliminate a candidate if he or she did not get a passing grade. I think excluding french was a correct move since the language does not hinder a diplomats ability to comunicate with his counterparts from other nations. Yet removing english is just plain stupid. It is interesting to observe that jaques chirac personally asked then president fernando henrique cardoso to maintain french in the rio branco exam on a state visit to brazil. No one acused him of meddling and being elitist yet those of us who see the obvious ( that a diplomat without a perfect comand of the english language is a disaster) are acused of being elitist. Perhaps this government will now move portuguese to the second phase along with english, french and spanish and have sign language be the eliminating form of comunication in the first phase. After all we can´t be 'ELITIST" towards those with disabilities. Unless of course the candidate is a mute from an upper middle class family. I am tired of class warfare and anti-americanism to cover up for this government incompetence.
What is the fuss all about!
written by Guest, January 24, 2005
Look, George Bush can't even manage his own native tongue....as most Americans!

Dear Mr. Fitzpatrick, before criticizing other people (and cultures), take a good look in the mirror, what do you see? A typical American point of view, like to dish it out but can’t take it in…Good day!
You should look.
written by Guest, January 24, 2005
Mr Fitzpatrick is Scottish, and not American, and there are many Brasileros here making the exact same point.Whether Bush speaks good English or not is so far off the point that you are laughable. Fitzpatrick makes no criticizm about our people or our culture, but points out what most of the press, and academia in Brasil is pointing out.The poor decsion, based on emotion, not thought, to change language requirements. You seem to be the only Brother on the forum who thinks our diplomats do not need a second language, great, we can apease the burros like yourself, and stop all progress because of your unproductive anti-Americanism. Your position, like the government's is childish, uneducated, and quite simply idiotic. We will never moved Brasil forward until we stop letting our emotions get in the way of progress.
Who cares about Lula anyways...?
written by Guest, January 24, 2005
Mr. Fitzpatrick,

As a native of Washington D.C. the Bush administration has no cares nor issues with President Lula da Silva. Yet this indifference can be viewed in many ways. President Bush and his diplomatic corp simply don't care about the Brasilian President's actions. Brasil, while a firm trade partner with the USA, is now paving a political route of cultural and social altrusim. Easily attempting to emulate the endeavours of Presidnet's Castro in Cuba and Chavez in Venbezuela.

Yet these attempts somtimes mirror the blind and ineffective outcomes of the Communists and later-Socialist governments of Europe.

Even a starry-eyed Socialist reporter of the Washington Post, who propped the new Brasilian president when he first took office, has now come to grips with President Lula da Silva's endeavours as slow and ill-defined.

Either way, only Brasilians themselves will decide if President Lula da Silva is worth another term, or if another President is needed. The USA has no interests in Brasilian politics. Whom Lula befriends or assigns to his cabinet is his business. If President Lula da Silva dislikes the USA, that's perfectly fine, too. US businesses can buy products and raw materials from all over the world, not just Brasil.

Capitalism, not altruism, has empowered prosperity and success for the masses. Punishing the successful with higher taxes and land-grabs will only fuel and exodus to neighboring countries whom are more business-friendly. Cuba nad Venezuela have show us this much...

B. Ford
Washington D.C.



Dear Mr. B. Ford:
written by Guest, January 24, 2005
That's a first....the US staying out of other nations' business...America, the melting pot where regular foks sink to the bottom and the scum floats to the top!

Fight air pollution by keeping your pie hole closed!
As to who wrote \"You should look\"....
written by Guest, January 24, 2005
Mr. Eisntein, place the following words in proper sequence:

OFF F***

P.S. Your verbosity is exceeded only by your stupidity...It's too bad stupidity isn't painfu.

Get lost
Refund Policy
written by Guest, January 24, 2005
You made my point Burro. You may want to ask CNAA for a refund...YOUR English sucks!
humn
written by Guest, January 25, 2005
Goerge Bush and other persons abilities in english. Cuba. American foreign policy. Are we still talking about english being required or not to pass the brazilian diplomatoc corps entry exam? How about keeping the eye on the ball. I mean that as sticking to the subject. Please do not start writing about the circumfrence if balls or major league baseball.
perhaps
written by Guest, January 25, 2005
Perhaps the article below can explain why so many people cannot just point out flaws in M.r Fitzpatrick articles and kind of lose control.
A cultura do beicinho

Olavo de Carvalho
Zero Hora, 23 de janeiro de 2005



No Brasil, quando você topa uma discussão franca e prova o seu ponto de vista honestamente, com fatos e lógica, o resultado é invariável: a parte derrotada chama você de intolerante. Tolerância, no entender desse povo, não é abdicar da força em favor da razão. É abdicar da razão para não ferir o apego sentimental que o interlocutor tem a opiniões insustentáveis. Mas, com toda a evidência, o amor às próprias opiniões, a recusa de submetê-las ao teste da lógica, é a definição mesma da intolerância. O que os brasileiros chamam de tolerância é a intolerância imposta por meio da chantagem emocional que faz beicinho quando contrariada por argumentos. Só o que a distingue da intolerância totalitária são os meios que emprega. Entre o beicinho e a guilhotina, a diferença é de grau, não de substância. Tanto que do beicinho se passa, com a maior facilidade, aos insultos e às ameaças de morte – morte ao “intolerante”.

Opiniões, neste país, não são hipóteses concebidas para tentar descrever a realidade. São símbolos de uma personalidade ideal, próteses psíquicas em que se amparam as identidades pessoais vacilantes. São amuletos. Desativar um deles pelo exame racional não é trocar uma visão tosca da realidade por uma visão mais aprimorada: é desfazer um encantamento protetor, é colocar uma alma em risco, demolindo seus pilares de papelão. É, mais que um insulto, uma agressão, um crime. A resposta ao crime é a violência legítima: já houve quem propusesse, em nome da tolerância, cortar minhas mãos, para que não pudesse escrever, e minha língua, para que não pudesse falar. E alardeava isso com a consciência limpa de quem, acuado por perigo iminente, agisse em defesa própria.

Circulam pela internet inumeráveis mensagens, e não de braçais semi-analfabetos, mas de estudantes e professores, que, tendo lido meus artigos, perguntam aterrorizados: “Que faremos se um dia ele chegar ao poder?” Acreditam piamente que não sou um simples cidadão privado, um estudioso sem ligações políticas empenhado em analisar e compreender os fatos: sou um elemento – um “quadro”, como se dizia no velho Partidão – de um vasto esquema golpista, fortemente subsidiado por grandes empresas, às vezes com algum envolvimento direto da CIA e do Mossad, empenhado em trazer de volta o regime militar ou mais provavelmente a teocracia medieval, tão propícia, como se sabe, ao capitalismo moderno e mais ainda aos judeus. Dito isso, acusam-me de disseminar teorias conspiratórias. Juntam-se às centenas para discutir os meios de me tirar de circulação e se regozijam com o benefício que assim trariam à democracia e à liberdade de pensamento. Fazem isso com a maior seriedade. Depois empilham sobre a minha pessoa densas camadas de vitupérios – canalha, verme, fascista, porco, safado – e, com idêntica convicção subjetiva, asseguram que não vai nisso nenhuma hostilidade, apenas uma crítica serena às minhas idéias.

Estaria eu exagerando ao ver nessa amostragem um sinal do estado de enervamento psicótico e inconsciência febril em que se encontram as classes alfabetizadas deste país, depois de nutridas durante décadas com a ração da mais pura paranóia comunista, terceiromundista e anti-americana?

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Talvez tenhamos mesmo herdado dos portugueses aquela propensão, assinalada neles pelo conde Keyserling, de tentar conciliar o inconciliável e, evidentemente, dar sempre com os burros n'água por isso mesmo. Lula se acha apto para atuar de mediador entre Chávez e Uribe porque está persuadido de que é os dois ao mesmo tempo. Não deixa de ter razão. Seu partido é leal às Farc e sua política econômica é leal aos EUA. Seu governo se alimenta do agronegócio e o declara o principal inimigo. Estufa as empresas com subsídios e às esvazia por meio do fisco. Cospe nas Forças Armadas e tenta seduzi-las para a estratégia continental da esquerda. Getúlio Vargas também, segundo observou José Ortega y Gasset, fazia política de esquerda com a mão direita e de direita com a mão esquerda. Terminou, mui coerentemente, usando a mão direita para dar um tiro no lado esquerdo do peito.


Refund Policy is a Pink Butterfly...
written by Guest, January 25, 2005
Seu FDP...borboleta cor de rosa!

You are herein promoted from Village to Town IDIOT....Seu Bucetildes Burroide da Silva. May your butthole become a dartboard for the next 1000 years!
O burro otro vez
written by Guest, January 25, 2005
See...you did it again.
O burro \"otro\" vez?
written by Guest, January 25, 2005
Do you speak fluent dyslexic?

What the hell is "OTRO", not Portuguese....Perhaps Portenglish!!!

Should you be using your lumpy triangular forehead to operate your Speak N' Spell so soon after your cerebellum amp**ation, you agitated gibbering banana-shaped dildo-sucking cum-farting babbling butthead?

Hehehe....
the best way to learn english
written by Guest, January 25, 2005
wonderfull how Brazilians can learn english by cursing! These guys are like the Brazzil's vultures, always around to piss someone, or themselfes alike, they change opinions, I think sometimes they forget and even answer they own previous comments if nobody else does! these vultures try to post the last opinion, hoping someone else comes after and say how wonderfull his post is, but no, here comes another one just like him, and bam!, at the end is this s**t! Now funny is when they do try to pass themselfes as Americans, what a losers! Like I said once you can write a lot about those Brazilians living outside of Brazil, learning english, and using it the same way the do with portuquese! trying to feed them egos on a page like Brazzil, how lonely are those guys??
Ricardo Farias, here I sign it, and i will sign anytime i made a comment from now on!
Right on Ricardo.
written by Guest, January 25, 2005
And the burro is proof of your post. three times in a row. A fine example of what Brazil has to offer the world. What a moron.
Americans...
written by Guest, January 25, 2005
This topic is mute. If you need a spy, it is better to have individual who speaks both languages since at least 5 years of age. Now what's the point of having of only accepting aristocrats who learned english when they were 16? Should you become a diplomat, you will have to eventually learn the languages that are needed for your job. We don't know the full extent of the problem, maybe there's not enough candidates for the Rio Branco institute. Why when dealing with the US, you're either a friend or an enemy. Maybe it's the fact your children will have to learn mandarin.
Just in case
written by Guest, January 25, 2005
Just in case you forgot, the US was founded by immigrants, and boasts the largest immigration population in the world, there are hundreds off languages besides English spoken every day. Take Miami, where the Brazilian population is in the hundred thousands, larger than most Brazilian cities. Isn´t it not remarkable, that even children who speak a little or no English are nurtured through the US school systems for a quality education...can Brazil claim thisEven though 99% speak your native language? And sure, we have Chinese speakers, and we will need Chinese speakers in the USA as the economy continues to globalize, how many in Brazil speak Chinese? Your way behind. Brazil´s emotional sense of nationalism, led by the Brazilian president himself is silly, and non-productive. I can tell everyone on this forum a true fact, the average American does not give one s**t about Brazil, or what becomes of it. No offense intended, but it´s a fact. The only time we interact with Brazilians is when they are mowing our grass or cleaning our toliets, good, someone has to help the Mexican´s do it. The good news for them, if they clean enough toliets, or cut enough grass, they can start their own business, and send their kids to college. Is this possible in Brazil, or all you all too worried about your fanatical envy of those that are doing better? God, you as a whole make me sick. Oh...and by the way, China raced right you while you were all busy whinning about your little lives.
We will care!
written by Guest, January 25, 2005
I wouldn't be surprised if we fight a few million Brazilian troops as the enemy when one day we need to root out terrorist camps in Venezuela, Cuba and elsewhere. It would save lots of lives if we already started to treat Venezuela and Brazil the same way we treat Cuba. Brazil could provide Fidel Castro or red successor the military manpower he needs.
Don\'t worry.
written by Guest, January 25, 2005
We would only need a divison or two to beat a million Brazilian army troops. As soons as we showed up they would drop their weapons and run away. It's what they do with the drug dealers now...or perhaps they may sell them their weapons.
...
written by Guest, January 26, 2005
Yeah! Lets do what U.S. does best! Invade Brazil! kill the men, rape the women, take all $! (but lets be careful with fighting in the tropics...remember Vietnan with all those bugs and heat...)
Morons...
Brazilians are not french
written by Guest, January 26, 2005
I wouldn´t count on defeating the brazilian army easily. At least not in Brazil specially in the amazon region. Remember brazil never lost a war nor a border conflict overcoming even a european power ( at the time) the french over a border dispute in the amapa state- french guyana border. Ok the french are wimps but stating that two divisons would guarantee an american victory is foolish. I bet someone said that when the united states decided to fight the vietnamese.
You f**king American Targets....
written by Guest, January 26, 2005
Hehehe....First you need to win in Iraq and let's don't forget how many of your faggot marines were creamed in Vietanam!

America is the only nation in history which has miraculously gone directly from barbarism to degeneration without the usual interval of civilization…

9/11 a well deserved black-eye!

Last but not least....."OTRO" Burro.....KISS MY ARSE BITCH!

Ricardo Farias....Your Ignorance Is Ency
written by Guest, January 26, 2005
You Are Living Proof That Aborigines Did Screw Kangaroos…talk to someone who cares freaking faggot!

A Penny For Your Thoughts, And $20 To Act It Out...hahahakkkkkkkk

Long Live Castro!
long live castro
written by Guest, January 26, 2005
Long live castro as long as i don´t have to live under his rule. By the way if you cheer castro so to be anti-american you may consider that castro by keeping the cuban people behind does the united states a great favor since that is one less country to compete with the americans in fields like pharmaceuticals and tourism ( floridians must be thankfull since they would compete with cuba for the american tourist). Yet people like you must be happy about that and support donkeys like lula who are paying for cubas sugar refining industry to develop. Really smart to fund your competitor and make brazilians lose jobs now and in the future. People like you who claim to defend " the people" don´t really care though as long as your government job or subsidy to write your latest bulls**t useless theory at a state university isn´t discontinued. . Vc é ridiculo e inutil para a nação brasileiro é não tem a capacidade analitica de saber a razão.
Mind your own business
written by Guest, January 26, 2005
I came across this site and I got shocked with the comments.Some are really inteligent.The funny thing is why there are american people who claim that U.S and Bush don't give a damn about Brazil ,spend so much time writting about how U.S is superior or how Brazil would be easily defeated in war. We have a our economics and social problems,you have Iraq,North Korea and 12% of your people living under poverty line.
Acording to some people,Brazil's a miserable country,so then what diference does it make if our president can't speak english? Or are the Americans,somehow indignated with our President's lack of interest about theyr language?
Besides it wouldn't make any diference for the brazilian people.What we need is a man fighting for a better country,doesn't matter his education level.
That\'s the point
written by Guest, January 26, 2005
In the great scheme of things, it really doesnt matter what langauge Lula speaks, English, or Japanese, because his impact, and Brasil's impact in general is negliable upon the world. Why would the US care about a backwater like Brasil, except for to expolit it like everyone else does, even Brasilians, but I guess that is your birth right. I am American, and I watch the site because my wife is from Brasil, and I spend lots of time there, Brasil is a fasinating contridiction of culture and lifestyles, it is easy to get caught up. But in the end, it is just another Latin American country that will never rise to the level deemed to be a developed country. And 12% below the poverty line in the US? Maybe, but once again a Brasilian compare apples too oranges, the poor in the US have a roof over their heads, can get food for their table, and most importantly, even poor kids can get a quality education, go to college, get a great job and break the poverty cycle. Can you say that about Brasil? Your beaches are among the finest, your beer is great, the food is cheap, I enjoy my visits...but you poor bastards have to live there, I don't. Thank God.
Americans Continued...
written by Guest, January 26, 2005
How dare you call the crumpling American school system good? "but once again a Brasilian compare apples too oranges" are you serious? Of course Brazil will never be a super power, we don't have to worry about winter, hurricanes, tornatos, our land is very productive, we have lots of water(1/5 of the world drinkable water), we could export enough hydroeletric power to supply US if we get past the greenies, our food is the best among the world, our biodiversity could make your head spin, hell we don't even have to worry about oil, we could supply the world with ethanol and biodiesel if necessary. Only hardship brings progress, don't you know anything? There are about 1million Brazilians immigrants in USA, of those, 50% are from a single city, you decide. I wonder, but the kids who pass a feredal vestibular here could put your college boys to utter shame, but of course, that's not that point. The point is commitment, submission to the system. Take an American kid, who HAS to work to heat himself, buy crappy food, pay high rent, and buy all the new trends all his life, and a Brazilian who might as well build himself a cabin in a beach and live off his surrounds, maybe selling coconuts when he feels like it. Please don't tell that's unrealistic, you should know better. How can you break the poverty cycle if you spend 30% of what you earn in beers like it's the case in Brazil? We are proud of our country, why shouldn't we? Take your hardship, your progress, your pride, your selfrightness, then make it into your contenment and stop bashing what you don't understand, stop trying to break our spirit, you won't succeed.
Typical American Moronic Approach
written by Guest, January 26, 2005
That is, Self-Centered, Self-Serving and Self-Destructive. This self fulfilling American prophecy is what makes the US such popular nation across the planet, NOT!

Too bad, we can’t make the distinction between these cowboy morons and the regular good American citizens when we first see them, so that we could adjust for the walking targets!

These morons are the ones that voted Bush back into office, another 4 years from the dark ages…God bless us all.
Your right
written by Guest, January 26, 2005
But now I know who you are. Obviously a rich kid, or a kid who grew up rich in Zona Sul or Sao Paulo who doesn't give a s**t about Brasil, just about you own lot in life, a nice car, apartment, weed, and spending money...all paid for by mom and dad. Do you really think you can compare "the crumpeling school system" in the US to ours?. Do you think that the kids growing up in Vidigal, or Zona Este get the same education as say, a kid from Compton...if you do, your an idiot, our public school teachers get paid less than US$800 a month, what kind of teacher do you think that buys? Your are either an elitist, or a Brasilian living in the US. We don't have to worry about hurricanes, earthquakes or storms, but how about stray bullets, lack of health care, and poor sanitary conditions that sicken and kill thousands every year.How many Brasilians pass the entrance examination and attend the Federal University? What percentage of college aged youth? Sounds like you did. But mommy and daddy had enough money to send you to a good private school while you surfed and smoked dope on the beach. How many kids pass the examinations from the public schools? And then you all whine and bitch when the government tries to implement a program that would allow for more of our under privilaged to go to the university. And so what you graduated the University, got a degree in chemical engineering or geology or some other trending subject, and now make US$1500.00 and month, while the gringo next to you in Macae who got his degree on the internet is making 80 grand. Yea, some American kids have to work to pay their ways in life, but your white, suck ass parents made sure you didn't, your probably 40 and still living at home anyway, driving a new Audi, you bring no morality to our society. Don't accuse me of not understanding, in fact all of US understand, that you, and the people like you have been raping our country for century's and continue to do so.
Let me add my 2c
written by Guest, January 26, 2005
I am an American ex-pat living in Brasil for 2 years, with 2 years left to go. I enjoy living here, and have great respect for the country and it's people. Now please let me add a dose of reality to "Americans cont.". Your posting is typical of young Brasilians now days, it's "cool" to be anti-American, but you don't consider the facts.First, of all that water you enjoy, you can't even proces to a point where you can drink it in your homes, bottled water is still the safe norm here in Brasil. And while Brasil does have an endless supply of water to feed it's large agricultural machine, Brasil is among the worlds largest polluters, and this includes it's water. In fact, water and air pollution in the Amazon basin is a Global threat, thank you very much Brasil. You can not even supply enough hydro-electric power to keep your own lights on, yet export it. Black outs have been happening throught Brasil this year, even here in Rio and Sao Paulo. As Brasil's industry grows there this is a major concern, and compaines are hesitant to open plants here because of this situation...so my radical friend, that dog won't hunt. Brasil IS at the fore front of Biodeisel development, but who do you think will be the customer for Biodiesel? What country, or countries have the technology, brain power, cash, and will to develop automobiles that run on Biodiesel...does Bill Gates, Steve Job, or Dell ring bells. See, your anti-Americanism is blinding you to the fact, that the only way good things can happen for Biodiesel is with the country you so despises help. Do you think Brasil will be exporting Biodiesel to Venezuela, Cuba, or Mexico? Oil is something I know something about. If you have so much oil, why do you need so much of the much more expense hydroelectric? Because there is not nearly enough processing or production capacity in Brasil. Did you know that there are periods when Petrobras can't supply enough fuel and Brasil needs to import gasoline? Your right, you have a ton of oil, but have you ever asked yourself why a gallon of gas is priced among the highest in the world. Because you can't figure out how to do it. It's why companies like mine are here in the first place. I think that perhaps our poster here is a young Brasilian who will eventually grow into reality. He did state one thing correctly, the food here is among the best in the world!
One last
written by Guest, January 26, 2005
The previous poster is right. Foriegn oil industry professionals make very good money working in Rio. Now think who is paying for this. The huge contracts the Brasilian governemnt gives foriegn companies are very profitable even after they pay our large salaries. That means you, the Brasilian citizens are paying our huge foriegn salaries, while Brasilain engineers, and technicians make peanuts. Now that is something you should be screaming about!
I draw just one conclusion…
written by Guest, January 26, 2005
You are delusional leaving in warped reality. Wake up moron and smell the roses!

First…I have double citizenship, that is, US and Brazilian. Lived in the US for the last 32 years (probably longer then you have lived), I studied and pay my way through College, unlike most Americans that draw government loans. And yes, I worked for corporate America for some 20 years making BIG bucks as an engineer. Today, I am a professor of mathematics after earning my Ph.D. through hard work shedding blood tears to get it, and facing some idiot morons such as yourself along the way!

On the other hand, do some research before opening your BIG loud American mouth before spilling your scented vomit. American education (secondary) is in total chaos, American kids are lacking behind in Math, Linguistic and Geo-Political skills, in fact, the US is way down the list when compared to many other nations, including third world countries (i.e. Brasil). A high school diploma in the US means absolutely nothing, basically, it implies “functional illiteracy” for the holder. Conversely, higher education for the most part is solid giving the plentiful resources in American universities; Brasil not having all those resources is forced to select only the best, hence vestibular.

On the other hand, you are an inconsequential idiotic American fart perpetuating dominating imperialistic views that hurts the American image among other countries, right along with that warmonger monkey called George Bush!

But I remain faithful, because there are many good people in the US just like there are in Brasil. Fortunately, people like you makes no difference on outcomes.

Now then, do me a favor…don’t breed!

Good day
Let me add my 3c....
written by Guest, January 26, 2005
Pollution????

Does acid rain rings a bell? How about the 3 mile island? How about the infamous LA air quality? You got to be kidding me, pal....The United States is among one of the BIGGEST polluters on planet earth!

As to destroying the rain forest, I totally agree with you, it needs to stop. However, that decision rests with the Brazilian people not the White House.

By the way, 85% of the oxygen in the air is not produced by plant life as you believe, but rather by ocean plankton. You get and "F" in biology, F does not mean Fantastic either....Back to Biology 101.

Exposed as the liar he is.
written by Guest, January 26, 2005
Yea right a fifty something ex-big bucked engineer, who is now a Math Professor...who can swear like a truck driver. I have exposed him for what he is, an American, one of whose parents needed a greencard, so he can call "himself" a Brasilian, when in fact he is an impotent American, and unhappy with what he is or has become. Still say, he is a young punk (the language tells all), with nothing valuable to add to the forum. Based on his posting he knows absolutley nothing about either country he claims to be a citizen of. And I am as sure as sure can be that he is painting the gringos houses, or cutting their grass, or some other bulls**t job. Did I hit a nerve hot shot, you sure sound defensive. Hahahahaha! You lose.
If your IQ was two points higher, you\'d
written by Guest, January 26, 2005
Let me put it this way....When Bush (the monkey man) invades Syria next, I will cast my vote for you to be the new Mayor of Dambasscus!


Hahahaha......Life is good!
The skeptical environmentalist
written by Guest, January 26, 2005
Muitas mentiras são divulgadas em relação a amazonia e ja vi uma delas aqui neste forum. A mair defesa contra elas e por tabela em defesas dos interesses do brasil é se informar. O livro abaixo é uma ferramenta importante. Visitem o site http://www.projetoockham.org/
Participe e defenda os interesses brasileiros.

The skeptical environmentalist
autor : Bjorn Lomborg

Este livro certamente é um dos mais polêmicos a serem lançados no últimos anos. Em meio a toda a mobilização da sociedade moderna em defesa do meio-ambiente, Lomborg (um estatístico) defende uma tese chocante: alguns problemas localizados existem, mas o nosso meio-ambiente nunca esteve tão bem e as previsões catastróficas que ouvimos todos os dias não têm nenhuma comprovação científica. Obviamente, inúmeros comentários, pró e (principalmente) contra seu autor e suas idéias, foram publicados em todos os meios de comunicação e o debate sobre suas polêmicas alegações certamente vai continuar por muito tempo. Dito isto, é claro que não é possível abordar ou avaliar em detalhes o conteúdo do livro no pequeno espaço que dispomos aqui. Mas, resumindo em uma palavra nossa opinião sobre o livro: LEIA!! Se você é um ambientalista convicto ou um cético total - leia este livro.
Talvez mais importante que os argumentos específicos apresentados por Lomborg é a discussão que ele estimula. Por todos os lados estamos sujeitos a uma enxurrada de exemplos de como estamos destruindo nosso futuro por causa de nossa ambição materialista descontrolada. E o outro lado da história? Bem, aqui está. E, ainda que em alguns momentos Lomborg pareça um otimista inveterado, seus argumentos são em geral bastante convincentes. Saúde pública, fome, explosão populacional, desmatamento de florestas, poluição, energia, água doce, chuva ácida, exposição a substâncias químicas, biodiversidade, aquecimento global, tudo isto é abordado neste livro e as conclusões são, em sua maioria, surpreendentes em comparação com o que estamos acostumados a ouvir. E, muito importante, suas conclusões não são baseadas em fontes duvidosas de informação. A maioria dos dados que Lomborg apresenta são retirados de publicações de instituições internacionais de renome, como a ONU e suas diversas subsidiárias, e muitas vezes de artigos ou relatórios citados pelas próprias ONGs ambientalistas como evidências de nosso futuro infeliz.
De qualquer forma, uma coisa fica clara: a questão ambiental não consiste meramente na luta de um grupo de heróis visionários, contra capitalistas inescrupulosos, em defesa do futuro da humanidade. Interesses pessoais existem em ambos os lados, bem como esforços bem intencionados, mas apenas um dos lados tem o apoio maciço da mídia e, por tabela, da opinião pública em geral. Um exemplo disso foi a transformação do Brasil em vilão, principalmente na década de 80, por sua destruição do suposto "pulmão do mundo". A idéia de que a Amazônia é a principal fonte de oxigênio do planeta é tão sem fundamento que não é levada a sério por nenhum profissional da área (aliás, mal é mencionada neste livro), mas foi divulgada com uma insistência que convenceu praticamente toda a opinião pública mundial. Por isso, antes de se escandalizar com a última reportagem sobre como as guerras do futuro serão por água doce, dê uma olhada no que este livro tem a dizer.
Publicado em português com o título "O ambientalista cético", pela Editora Campus.
behind the smoke
written by Guest, January 26, 2005
Interesting posts found here.
lets disect
1 . the united states is the land of meritocracy? perhpas more so than brazil yet when it comes to subsidizing their farmers so not to lose out big time to brazilian farmers the americans have to problems creating and extending the FARM BILL. Looks like someone did not fo their homework ( the american farmer) and the brazilian one did but will be unable to reap the profits due to european and now american subsidies. Does this sound like merit to you?

Lets face it. LULA is an idiot. Or at most he is smart by making idiots out of the brazilian people with the help of a non-discerning press. He played the " i come from poor origins and it´s my ( and hence the brazilian poor) turn to run the country. Now he inflated the state to an even larger extent and fails to address brazils real problem. Which is too much government, too much regulation and high taxes. Yes my friend, you pay 45% tax ( icms) on shampoo. Why? because you are an evil burgues and cleaning your hair is a superficial need in comparison to pay a buorocrat a salary in brasilia when the private sector could do his job a lot better and charge you nothing in taxes for it.
Now the mst is back invading and squating land and of course the " excluded angels of the mst" are forgiven and not punished even though they want to destroy a sector that. if not for european and american subsidies, brazil would be THE world leader in, from beef to soya to biodeisel . By the way the MST is opening up a university now, guess who is paying for most of it. Contributors from european organizations, and where do these european organizations get their money? From the european union, and who hurts brazilian agriculture the most by using subsidies to keep brazil from definetly taking over the world agricultural market? YES, the european union who protect their useless farmers and now is paying for the MST to have a university so they can better hurt our farmers in brazil. Would this be xonsidering meddling in another nations affairs? IT should but some dumb ass hippie in a ong ( ngo) will give you a pretty little story about pretty little landless " farmers" that need land and don´t have it because of the 'evil brazilian successfull farmers". Does our press even report this? No, they are too busy defending " the people" and remaining faithfull to those irrational socialists ideals they learned in the students union " une" will they were in university smoking marijuana and not paying tuition.
So this is the situation. Shampoo anyone?
Let me ad my ...
written by Guest, January 26, 2005
For a American living in Brazil, you should know better, right! I never meet a American who didn't read NYtimes? Funny there's a article about that, where your country rank 45th in Protectors of environments. Now Biodiesel is too, being studied by US, as alchool. Well I don't know what kind of job u doing in Brazil, but sure is nothing fancy, like some entrepenuer, or thecnical..By the way, bill gates don't make cars, steve job?, dell? Look the name says it is DIESEL! we already have a engine for it, god the USA already have developed even a DIESEL airplane. The biodiesel, is not to use pure my friend, is to mix with the diesel. And is not to export it, the US is after a way to be more indenpendent in importing oil, like Brazil, is a meaning to save more money and keep the reserve intact, and the money circulating. you think we just discover a way to never more use oil and close down the Oil companies? and replace for other? Does not work like that and will never be that easy. Hidroeletrics, we Brazil, hold 1/5 of all drink water in the world..the thing is we can build Hidroeletrics, Nuclear, Gas-eletrics, etc.. the things is money, only that. You know is not just Build one Hidro, gas, Nuclear, and the energy is there and the country will grow overnight, people will build companies all around!! does not work that easy! all involve $$ very large amounts, and off course, involves the what? Environment today!
American you said, have you heard about loging companies in America History? I love when someone talks about Brazil, "You guys are burning your florests" ah, how about every year long California fires, what, just because there's not more florest there, does not count? How about Alaska? Tell you the true, Brazil may pull out and still have it florests, let's say rank number #1 in the best environment country in the world, for what if the rest of the world still killing or already killed most of? does not matter being 1 or last, in this world, we being doing the same thing for last 500 years, how can you change it, without treating the environment, your car, money, the human way of life, big businerss and your job, well in your case beware to never talk with your Boss about that or politics, He may fire you right on the spot!
Ricardo Farias
Americans Continued...part 2
written by Guest, January 26, 2005
You should read both of my posts again, although tempted I did not include an ounce of Anti-americanism. Of course I'm a elitist, aren't you? How many red necks did you convert or think you can convert in your lifetime? Do you know how many hydroeletric plants are waiting for Enviromental sanctions? The reason we pay so much for gasoline is simple, why should petrobras sell oil for 50 cents to Brazil while it's worth 1dollar? You don't need to be a genious to see that is the American root of all evil, communism. As a enlighted man, as we're suppost to think Americans are, you should know there are other uses for oil, airplane fuel, lubrificants, vaseline, solvents, asphalt, ship fuel, power plant fuel, diesel, plastic, herbicidal, ....If a sector need any of those products, oil is need, which eventually leads to the production of gasoline, which therefore must be consumed, meaning Americans pay less for gasoline, but that doesn't mean in any way they pay less for oil. Of course that is common knowledge, you don't need a third worlder telling you this. I hate to be mean, but the greatness of your scientists, or industrialists doesn't make you great, even though you are the most benefitted in the chain. If Americans make Windows and Office, it is counter productive for Brazilian to make Windows and Office. If Americans fill the need of having Britney Spears, it is unwise to have a Brazilian Britney Spears. The reason Mr. Someone is a great scientist and you are a clerk, is because the events worked better for him than for you, or he wanted it more than you, which doesn't not mean your genes are defective. A strong Emperor stays in power by identifying and curbing the power of his enemies.

I am an young adult, member of the middle class living in Brazil who went to public schools, and I never lived in the São Paulo or Rio de Janeiro states as if it had any relevance. Before posting something only Mr. Bush would say, please read, think, and write something with the little coherence you're capable of.
Who\'s the \"Monkey Man\"?
written by Guest, January 26, 2005
I have an idea, We can declare all countries states of a world government and name Fidel Castro world dictator! Then there would be no wars and all the bad people exterminated! Kill the opposition and peace with in our time is achievable!
****** SARCASM ENDS AT ASTERISKS************
Those of you who bash Bush voters come from one point of view: Socialism anywhere is great and anyone opposing it is a "Monkey Man".
Do you know why people in canoes beg for bags of clothes on the Amazon River? Because environmentalist wacko-socialists cut off their livlihood. When they ask why Americans work to cut off their livlihood, I explain I'm not one of those Democrats that worked to do this. Amazon River dwellers and GW Bush have at least one thing in common: Both have asked "Wanna buy some wood"? LOL
donkey boy
written by Guest, January 26, 2005
Hey look, a republican on verge of actually using his brains
Your right
written by Guest, January 26, 2005
I used gasoline as an example, you seem to know your s**t, so you know that oil pumped by Petrobras is of the grade lubricants, solvents and petrochemicals, and Brasil hold decent market share with these produts. But electricity is a huge problem for the futue, and even though things are a little better here, you are correct, the country does not have the money to complete the projects.And while your risk rating is better than it has been in several years, there is no way Brasil can float a bond and make the cash to cover the project, perhaps in another 5 years. I know there are a number of hydroelectric projects that have already been approved, it's not a matter of enviromental approval. Still, natural gas fired plants are the most efficent, cleanest and cheapest form of electricity. Brasil would have to invest a ton of $$$ once again to deliver it from the platforms. No. I'm not from the elite in the US, but just an oil redneck from Texas, and you know what, I reall enjoy it here. I will also agree that the ecnomic policies of not just the US, but Europe as well, have been devastating in Brasil and Latin America, in particular subsides. Don't you think the effeciency of Brasil's modern farming make the folks in California's central nervous. Still, I am not sure what ou would have us do about it, would you sacrifice Brasilian jobs to help American's create new ones? As far as what makes America great? Will I can tell you, that anyone who lives or comes to America has a REAL chance to succeed, if you deem success as the things you can achive in America. I know that success in America s not everyones idea of success, and I respect that. But have you checked the lines at he American consulate latel.
Who\'s the \"Monkey Man\"? 2
written by Guest, January 26, 2005
I Vote.....You = a*****e!

And I willing to bet that you are from one of the freaking RED states....voting for the monkey man, G.W. Bush, you repubic!

I THINK YOU NEED TO BE DISEMBOWELED, I HAVE THE PERFECT TOOL FOR THE JOB, A WOODEN SPOON UP YOUR ASS!

American foreign policy is nothing more than total fiasco to say the least. You have a lot of friends around the world. Let's take a poll:

Which country has the most Embassies/Consulates in the crosshair of Osama Being Farting?

USA...USA...USA...USA...USA...hehehe!

SARCASM ENDS AT ASTERISKS
written by Guest, January 26, 2005
"Those of you who bash Bush voters come from one point of view: Socialism anywhere is great and anyone opposing it is a Monkey Man."

Are you suggesting that 47% of the American polulation (including me) that voted for Kerry are comunists????

You have been brainwashed by the system....I have a cure===> Read books written by Michael Moore!

You looked learned until you spoke....Jackass!
Moore is a red liar - charlatan!
written by Guest, January 26, 2005
Michael Moron is a master of cutting/pasting/dubbing deception. If you voted for Kerry, you voted for someone who coordinatred with the VIETCONG to help enslave the Vietnamese and got a Purple Heart and discharge from a self-inflicted wound.

Read the writings abbout the media at:
www.olavodecarvalho.org
www.midiasemmascara.org if you prefer Brazilian sources

View ex-Clinton advisor's FahrenHYPE 9/11

I find it interesting that www.gramna.cu (Fidel Castro) often sites Moore.
\"RED\" STATE \"RED\" COUNTY
written by Guest, January 26, 2005
Forsyth County, Georgia voted 83% for Bush, I'm pround to say!
Jesus
written by Guest, January 26, 2005
Has it come to this? Always does sooner our later.Especially "I vote you" who was recently identified accuratly as a dual citizen teenager (said he was a Math Professor, with a PHD, and an engineer for 32 years yet he can't put together an accurate sentence in English), living in the US while his parents where cleaning the gringos toliets, and cutting their grass. There is still hope for the "boy" though, he is young. As an American, I faced the choice on election day of two rotten candidates, I stuck with my Republican roots and pulled the lever for Bush...I have regreted that vote eveday since. And, I an tell you, I am no commie. Se ya all on a new post.
creating brazilian jobs?
written by Guest, January 26, 2005
If the united states would drop their subsidies they would not be creating brazilian jobs. They would be scraping american jobs that exist artificially due to those subsidies. The brazilian agriculture sector created the jobs related to agriculture in brazil. If the subsidies were dropped in america or europe would jobs be created in angola? no, because the angolans did not have the ability to develop competitive agriculture. One nation that COULD HAVE prospered due to their skills was zimbabwe yet their idiot president mugabe expeled all the able farmers and redistributed the land to inept ones in one of the worse land reforms in human history. The result, now zimbabwe has to import food when it is lucky enough to have money and depend on foreign aid to feed its people.
By the way in brazil one can prosper and hope to send his children to college if one is inteligent and works diligently. it is harder than america but it is not imposible like in many other parts of the world, if you were to find out who the richest brazilians are today you would discover that many came from poor backgrounds and you would also discover that the rich in brazil are not the same people that were rich 30 years ago nor will the rich in the future for the most part be the descents of todays brazilian rich, There is social mobility which is actually hampered everytime the government intervens in the economy and makes a mess of things.
On a non-related subjectr i have lived in texas. It is a great place, I recomend the deep ellum section of downtown dallas , san antonio and austin for those who enjoy a rich and vibrant culture scene. I am sure there are many more that i am unaware of, unfortunetly i never made it to the stockwards in fort worth for example. To the guy that was going on about rednicks and stuff it is interesting to notive that the americans usually value their traditions ans we brazilians are major rednecks if you consider that 40 years ago this country was over 70% rural. ironically it turned out that our rednecks are the most competitive farmers in the world these days as well. So why don´t you " redneck yourself" and see if you can turn yourself into a world competitor in any field instead of waiting for LULas handouts.
Interesting take
written by Guest, January 26, 2005
Tarrifs and subsides work both ways, would you eliminate the high taxes and tariffs imposed by Brasil that are barriers to US and European exports? In particular electronics and instrumentation? I do understand your point, US tariffs and subsides for cotton, shrimp, steel and sugar have all been ruled illegal by the WTO, I think Brasil has even won cases in the World Court on cotton and steel, cases that are unenforcable. It's amazing, everyone is a free trader until it impacts votes...or the local economy, Jeb Bush and the citrus industry in Flordia are case in point. Hell, Minutemaid and Tropicana can't even buy Brasilian oranges, and they are Brasilian owned companies. Trade is a complex issue, and very nationalistic, very difficult to look at with a neutral eye. It's San Antonio, and I could use a cold Tecate and some good enchiladas from River Walk.
Greg British
written by Guest, January 27, 2005
Where he born??Brazil!!What's the language in brazil??Portuguese!!So why the f**k he must to speak that f**k english??If anybody would like to talk to him....go and learn portuguese.....you bastard.
Moore is a red liar - charlatan...2
written by Guest, January 27, 2005
I get the distinctive feeling that you have a "white" robe in the closet.....KKK Much?

Inconsequential f**king redneck...go back to your doublewide trailer and fry some spam......WHITE TRASH!

Next time you shave, step a little closer to the blade.....meanwhile, don't breed!
???
written by Guest, January 27, 2005
Who the f**k wants to talk to him? He's a f**king donkey. And all of you following his bulls**t, are the same uneducated, down from the Morro's, simple bastards he is.
Get a brain
written by Guest, January 27, 2005
Who is the master of cut and paste? Michael Moore? Ever find weapons of mass destruction in the desert? Pulled the wool over our eyes didn't he? And that was a great cover-up job on his "proud" Vietnam war record. Easy to send young men and women to die in war...but when it's your turn to and you don't show up? What does that make you? General Wesley Clark said it well, "Kerry played hockey. while Bush was a cheerleader". Oh and the movie you reference from "Clinton's advisor", everyone knows what a piece of s**t republican whore Dick Morris is. In fact, wasn't it a whore that made him the ex-Clinton advisor?
I have to echo the other poster...don't post anymore, you will be late for your Klan meeting.
Jesus....Born Again Maggot!
written by Guest, January 27, 2005
Let me guess…..what we have here is a graduate from New England Tech with an associate degree in engineering technology, sent to Brasil to perform jackass field work such as wiring equipment together, taking orders from a real professional engineer (probably a Brasilian Engineer)….a real Eisntein!

Moreover, a real jealous maggot because I came to his beloved USA and got a Ph.D. in Mathematics, something unachievable to his breeding….so eat your heart out American loser!

Who stirred the s**t in your local cesspool to wake you up, maggot?

You sound like the type that voted for that monkey George Bush,….you smell just like him; Please stand downwind from me!

P.S. Next exchange, let me know which language do you want to be insulted in…take your pick, English, Portuguese, Spanish, German and French!

I know English is your first language….too bad you don’t have a first!

Yaaaaaaaaaaaahooooooooooooooo!

??? Tem Cupa Eu?
written by Guest, January 27, 2005
Cara....tu ta muit aflita, querida.....ta precisando de ser enrrabada por um flamenguista, ne moleque?

Vai lamber o pinto do seu portero...seu FDP!
\"RED\" STATE \"RED\" COUNTY HUH?
written by Guest, January 27, 2005
I know all about Forsyth, Georgia.....Weekly KKK meetings, planning how to rid the world of the colored people!

Grow-up and Shut up, before I stick shove my foot so far up your ass that you'll be s**tting shoe-shaped turds for a month.
Let\'s see 14 Year Old PHD
written by Guest, January 27, 2005
"before I stick shove my foot so far up your ass that you'll be s**tting shoe-shaped turds for a month" Real intellegent for a 32 year big bucked engineer, who is now a PHD Professor teaching math. Be glad your mommy f**ked an American for a Green Card and had you so you can live in America and play on the internet, and with your video games, you wouldn't make it here, you would get your ass kicjed everyday, and hen the kids would take your money...and with yourself. OH, I probably f**ked your mother too, I hooked up with here at HELP, Av. Atlantica at Copacabana...she was pretty good.
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written by Guest, January 27, 2005
I would to like to shed some light into the biodiesel i meantioned yearlier. When Mr. Diesel first invented the diesel engine, it used peanut based diesel. Of course they say diesel can't be used, just like they said ethanol can't be used, the only difference between gas engine and ethanol engine is the proportion between fuel and air injected into the engine, hence the possibility of producing flex fuel cars. If you look at the page I posted below, you will see there's 3 ways to use used cooking oil, mixing the used oil directly to diesel at varying ratio, convert it to biodiesel using ethanol or methanol and some lye, and burning used oil directly by making some adjustments to engine, which are limited to changing some plastic hoses to metal hoses. That's how much extensive research is needed, how much brain power is need, if you have access to enough used cooking oil and a diesel car, you could do it yourself.
To the oil soaked Texan red neck: Nothing can be done or should be done, humanitarism isn't reason enough to let part of your economy die.Although trying to break Mercosul, and bribbing countries out of the G20 is inmoral and even cruel.

http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html
Let\'s see 14 Year Old PHD..2
written by Guest, January 27, 2005
What a class act...of course, he is hiding behind the internet as the AMERICAN THUG that he is, otherwise he would turned into pulp. A galera Brasileira qualquer dia vai lhe dar lembrancas para o resto da sua miseravel existencia…americano FDP.

Frankly, this exchange is leading nowhere other then to the depth of his damaged brain! Perhaps if your father hadn't tried to drop-kick you back into the womb, less brain damage would be apparent.

From here on out…. Shut up before I come over there and kick your nuts so hard they dislodge your tonsils into where your eyeballs used to be right before I grabbed your mother's dildo out of your father's ass and used it to poke your brain out through the back of your John Merrick cranium, Mr. Monotone Drone.

Yaaaaaaaaaaaaahooooooooooooooo…..hehehe…The American Freak Show!
There are several people here
written by Guest, January 27, 2005
To the above poster:
I don't know to which poster you are referring. Didn't your momma teach you any manners?? That Ph.D. (Piled Higher and Deeper) you say you have doesn't seem to have done you much good! Learn some manners, freak!
There are several people here...2
written by Guest, January 27, 2005
Americano viado...vem sentar na berimba do tio, vem sua nojenta!

If and when I want your monkey opinion, I will ratlle your cage....elevator fart!


Yaaaaaaaaahoooooooooooo!
A waste is a terrible thing to mind
written by Guest, January 27, 2005
And you are a waste without a doubt! Contribute to the United Nitwit Coach Fund. Sending Nitwits via bus to Canada one-way since November 3, 2004!
A wasted american is a wonderful thing
written by Guest, January 27, 2005
If I want your opinion, I'd twist your ear and feed you a gumball, dimwit. When you speak, you do so in a way that makes slugs and other invertebrates look like Nobel prize winners.

Good day
Loki
written by Guest, February 02, 2005
"The newly independent state of east Timor made the strange decision to have Portuguese as its official language, but its proximity to Australia is likely to result in this being changed in the near future. "

I recommend that Mr. Fitzpatrick read the following excerpts from a public lecture given by Geoffrey Hull, an Australian scholar and linguist, at the University of Adelaide on March 29th 2000:

(…) Having carefully studied Timorese linguistics and culture over the past twenty years, I see the decision to revive official Portuguese in East Timor as both justified and feasible. Those tempted to believe that official Portuguese will be an anachronism and a handicap for the new nation should remember first of all that Portuguese is hardly an insignificant language in the global context. It is the world's sixth biggest language in terms of numbers of speakers, being more widely used than French, German and Russian. Second, official Portuguese is hardly going to be an economic liability for East Timor when the country is planning to live largely off tourism. East Timor's Latinate architecture and way of life will enable it to be promoted as a little piece of the Latin world off the north-west coast of Australia. A population speaking Portuguese can easily be taught Spanish, Italian and French, all important languages in international tourism. In tourist economies, knowledge of languages means employability and earning capacity.

Third, the Portuguese language is far from moribund in East Timor. That a quarter of the population can still speak it with some degree of fluency is something of a miracle, given the savage persecution of the language for twenty-four years. And only more baseless than the charge that Portuguese is hard for Timorese to learn is the totally ridiculous suggestion that English is an easier language for them. Since Tetum and the other vernaculars are full of Portuguese words, sounds and structures, much of the Portuguese language is immediately comprehensible to Timorese who can't speak it. Portuguese is implicit in the vernaculars of East Timor. Given the right social circumstances, it doesn't take much to activate a language one already understands in part or full.

The fear of the Timorese leadership is that their country will be gradually anglicized is not simply due to a nostalgia for Portuguese. There are strong cultural grounds for the desire to maintain official Portuguese. Aware that their way of life is Latinate, the CNRT and the Church are determined not to see East Timor turned into a cultural satellite of Australia, like Papua-New Guinea. They are well aware that English is a notorious killer; that Anglophone culture in Australia killed off scores of Aboriginal languages in less than two hundred years, whereas in four centuries of Lusophone hegemony not one native dialect of East Timor has been lost.

It is this fear of invasive English that explains why, contrary to general expectations, the CNRT has not yet declared Tetum co-official with Portuguese. The Tetum language now has a standardized grammar and spelling. Its vocabulary has been expanded for modern use and there is a growing literature in it. It could certainly fulfil the role of an official language for domestic purposes. The problem is, however, that the CNRT has before it the example of countries like the Philippines and Malta. These were anglicized by the American and British governments promoting the local vernaculars (Tagalog and Maltese) to co-official status and abolishing the old established languages, Spanish and Italian respectively. Whereas Tagalog had happily co-existed with Spanish, and Maltese was in a compatible partnership with Italian, neither Tagalog nor Maltese could compete with co-official English, the vehicle of an alien culture. Today the language of secondary and tertiary education and higher culture in both the Philippines and Malta is English.

The Timorese leadership are anxious to avoid this fate for their country, and it would appear that their plan is to promote Tetum to co-official status only after Portuguese has been securely restored. (...)



Nicely Stated Loki
written by Guest, February 02, 2005
Some very sensible words Loki, well put.
Ask yourself which languages are spoken on which continents? Few languages can claim they are spoken in the Americas, Africa, Europe and parts of Asia (Timor, Macau and parts of India(Goa) and Indonesia as far as I am aware). But Portuguese can make this claim. I am very proud to be a second language speaker of Portuguese, a bad one at that, but I do find this language has much to offer the world in terms of its beauty. Of course, when it comes to a language of music, Portuguese shines as a lyrical language that surpasses English and even Italian or French.
Loki
written by Guest, February 04, 2005
I am a second language speaker of Portuguese myself since I am Italian, and I fully agree with you that Portuguese (particularly Brazilian Portuguese) is even more expressive than my mother tongue, not just in music but across the board.
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written by Guest, March 06, 2005

The Guest said:I do not think that Lula being a bit more educated and having his diplomatic corp should be so political. English is the world's language across many spheres and Brasil is just now entering a more respectful position vis a vis the world. He must deal with this whether he likes it or not.

I dont worry too much about Mr "Squid" because he only has a few more years left and then I am sure that the Brasilian people will vote for someonee a bit wiser and worthy of the country's new international possibilities.
star99
Written by Guest on 2005-01-23 13:47:15

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The Portuguese a brother of Brasil says this!!!

Wiser? For who for US interests. Piss off! The Portuguese language was once the universal language and ruled 2/3 rds of mother earth the only reason it fizzed out was because the great earth quake of 1755. But now Portuguese is coming back and soon it will be the universal langugage again. Brasil doesn't need the English langugae and never will. So Mr. Squid don't worry about the Bush wacker. Spray the bastardl!!
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written by Guest, March 30, 2005
BRAZIL IS THE NEXT FRONTIER FOR COUNTRIES LIKE GUYANA. IT EASY TO SEE THAT THERE IS COMMING A TIME WHEN WE WOULD NOT HAVE TO BUY ANYTHING FROM NORTH AMERICA AND EUROPE. THE PROBLEM IS THE BRAZILIANS ARE TOO BUSY PLAYING FOOTBALL TO CAPITALISE ON THIS OPPORTUNITY. PETER SAM.
O Portugua!
written by Guest, May 20, 2005
The Portuguese langua will once again be the global language.
I give it 50 years from now. Brazil will be the Economic SuperPower House of this world. Who ever controls the food chain rules the world. Portugal ruled the world at one time in history and they will do it again, but only this time through Brazil. The only reason England had a massive empire was because they converscated Portuguese colonies after the great earth quake
that nearly destroyed the Portuguese Imperial capital, Lisbon. England became a World power out of shared luck...

Read your history!!!!

go watch this movie again
written by heron de souza, April 01, 2007
When I first did I could not understand why they put portuguese in the mixed language people spoke (english, japanese, arabic and portuguese)
Now I know: portuguese is the 5th most spoken language in the world because of Brazil.
Anyway, all diplomats and politicians in high level, should speak a very good english, talking with your counterpart in their native language will impress and avoid Bull s**t from a ill intended Senator or President.
Ah by the way the movie is Blade Runner (how long ago?)
I am brazilian, 20 years in the US, cheering for you guys to take your country back and remind us of the Good Ole USA
I am fluent in spanish and can speak french and italian. Not a diplomat for along shot (more like a monkey on a cristal shop)
Unfortunately for my American friends, Lula is better equiped than Bush on the attic (GW is really a number) the second gave a whole different meaning to the epitet Ugly American!
Lets go to BlockBuster and get Blade runner to watch
thanks
Heron
america the beautiful
written by america the beautiful, March 02, 2008
your third world country is no match for us give it up. we are stronger smarter and smell alot better. NAVY SEALS ROCK!!!!!
I love Brazil
written by Dan Silva Brasil, October 03, 2009

Brazil Cup 2014 headquarters of the 2016 Olympics and take your stupid HAHA the best Brazilian beautiful country of beautiful women and tasty hahaha

TE AMO BRASIL ♥
Rio 2016
written by Wellington Jorge, October 03, 2009
Olympics in 2016 will be in Brazil, I see those beautiful brown, I will! o /
Love Brazil
written by Wellington Jorge, October 03, 2009

I wish to see those wonderful
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