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Piracy: In Brazil, If It Can Be Copied It Will Be PDF Print E-mail
2005 - March 2005
Written by Cecília Zioni   
Monday, 07 March 2005 19:29

Rio street vendor involved with pirated productsBrazil has always been the target of pirates, starting in the 16th century, when English corsairs - under concealed protection from the British Crown - pillaged cities and seized shipments.

The French and the Dutch thought to be theirs the right to establish colonies in Brazil; in fact, under Dutch occupation, the northeastern region of the country experienced one of its best quarters of century, beginning in 1630.

Four centuries have passed, but pirates are still in action. They have changed methods and objectives, which are now commercial, and hurt legally established businesses that can’t compete with their prices.

It also should be mentioned that buyers of pirated goods are put at risk due to the fact that clandestine products ignore quality, hygiene and health standards.

For example, batteries produced in Asian countries, with mercury, cadmium and lead content above Brazilian standards, are endlessly sold by camelôs (street peddlers) in Rio de Janeiro. Low prices are the bait.

In São Paulo’s downtown, at Praça da Sé (Sé Square), there are 32,000  street vendors against 1200 legal businesses. São Paulo’s city government launched the “Pop Centros” (Popular Centers) program, a sort of shopping center for street peddlers committed to selling only legal merchandise; the program has not yet produced visible results.

International Pressure

Modern piracy, according to the dictionary definition, consists of “copying or reproducing books, prints, audio or sound recordings, brands or patents, software, etc., without legal authorization from copyrights owners, deliberately infringing on the rights of the author.”

Today, few products escape such “predatory action.” From toys, shirts, watches, to airplane parts, orthopedic prosthesises, CDs, medicines, and computer programs, piracy is not “bound by formalities.”

According to the Parliamentary Commission of Inquiry (PCI) conducted by Brazil’s House of Representatives, from March 2003 thru July 2004, in order to investigate the matter, countries that rank among top consumers of pirated goods are China, Russia, Paraguay and Brazil.

The “field” of piracy has been open for so long that Brazil is at risk of suffering commercial sanctions, now pressured by the United States and the European Union to crack down on law breakers.

According to the International Intellectual Property Alliance, a lobbyist group that represents 1.3 thousand North American companies, piracy in Brazil adds US$ 800 million to total annual losses and, through their lobbying, the United States government threatened to exclude Brazilian products from the General System of Preference  (GSP)--which reduces import tariffs--a measure Brasília considers discriminatory and will question at the World Trade Organization (WTO).

Through prolonged and, still, unfruitful negotiations with Mercosur (the economic common market comprised of Brazil, Argentina, Paraguay and Uruguay), the EU has demanded from the Latin American block to severely repress intellectual rights piracy, attributing itself the right to punish the country accused of infractions via increased tariffs.

Within the scope of the World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO), Japan, USA and the EU defend new treaties to improve the protection of patent holders,  targets of modern pirates.

Brazil, leading a group made up by Argentina, Cuba, Bolivia, Venezuela, Iran and others, presented the broadest proposal, immediately rejected by richer nations: the most efficient way to combat bootlegging in the Third World would be to accelerate the transfer of technological know-how and advancements in scientific research by way of North-South investments.

This reaction from rich nations seems to indicate that piracy is exclusive to poor countries. It is not true. The movie makers of Shrek 2, for example, had the displeasure of seeing China flood the world with pirated copies of their movie three months prior to its release.

The controversy erupted with a pirated book of Gabriel García Marquez, “Memories of My Sad Prostitutes,” appearing on the market with an ending different from the author’s creation, and prior to the original print’s release date, another curious fact.

Damages and Losses

A research conducted in August by the State of São Paulo Industries Federation (FIESP), in alliance with 64 labor unions, indicates that piracy and bootlegging harms 80% of the industrial sectors represented by the entity by way of unfair competition.

A survey conducted by the Brazil-US Business Council, agency promoter of bilateral investments and commerce, shows that commerce of pirated goods causes annual losses of US$ 1,6 billion in sales and the elimination of 1,5 million jobs in the formal market place.

The National Union of the Internal Revenue Service Officers (Sindireceita) estimates that the government loses R$ 30 billion (approximately US$ 12 billion) a year in non-declared sales in the country.

These numbers are only estimates, given the informality of the market. Reported losses are more easily identified in sectors better organized - among them motion pictures, computers, and tobacco industries.

According to the Brazil-US Business Council, 61% of software, 34% of cigarettes, 52% of Cds and 30% of DVDs sold in Brazil are illegal, pirated or irregular.

Modern Piracy also goes beyond, from production to service: in Rio de Janeiro, an interesting clandestine TV operator, managed by informal businesses, prospers reaching a clientele of an estimated 600 thousand subscribers, dwellers of areas not served by legal cable TV operators, who choose to do so because of either lack of interest or technical difficulties.

A similar case takes place in the recording industry: dozens of organizations linked to the Brazilian Association of Record Producers created a Piracy Combating Union. The ease at which people can download music contents from the internet has led both, big and independent recorders, to fight hand in hand for their interests.

In face of the domestic and international encircling, the Brazilian Government has taken more solid measures against the advancement of piracy, measures that went into effect in the second half of 2004. It is still too early to know if such actions will be efficient, but adopting them already shows improvement.

In October, the Public Transparency and Corruption Fighting Council was installed - recommended by the anti Piracy Commission - with the obligation of debating and suggesting measures of improvement in methods of controlling and incrementing clarity in public administration and strategies against corruption practices and impunity.

The agency will replace an Inter-ministerial piracy fighting committee, created in march 2001, mainly dedicated to educating consumers. The new council hopes to go straight at the so-called “Great Mafia of Piracy,” therefore, indirectly repressing camelôs and encouraging consumers to buy legal goods.

Projects

In August 2004, the Piracy Commission concluded its work, begun in May 2003, denouncing more that one hundred individuals - cops, judges, entrepreneurs and politicians among others - for involvement with gangs connected to piracy, smuggling and tax evasion, and indicted fifty others. The Justice Ministry decided to open the case in order to expel all foreigners cited in the report.

The PCI also presented five bill proposals, one of which modifies the punishment for smuggling and participation, including the loss of sales permits and incarceration (meaning that vendors of illegal products lose their rights to sell and carriers of smuggled goods lose the vehicle used in the commission of the crime). The Judiciary is considering the creation of courts specialized in piracy and smuggling trials.

Still in August, Brazil signed agreements with Paraguay - source of 90% of bootlegged products in Brazil - to cut down this criminal activity. The Brazilian government has also initiated contacts with China, another big supplier, with the same intention.

Since October, the Brazil’s Ports Authority (InFraero) and the Internal Revenue Service began studying joint actions to modernize luggage and passenger inspection services at international airports around the country. For example, they hope to make intensive use of the X-ray machines and computerized baggage claim services.

Backfire

In reaction to the pressure from the US, the Brazilian government has reembarked on bilateral talks and has welcomed United States trade representatives (USTR).

The government prepared a detailed document of actions recently put into effect, with the objective of proposing bilateral agreements to combat piracy.

By doing so, Brazil hopes to avoid being excluded from the General System of Preferences (GSP) which has allowed US$ 2.5 billion dollars worth of annual Brazilian exports exempt from tariffs.

In this big dog fight, Brazil manages to punch back, and the document shows that the move to repress piracy may backfire on the US: almost a third out of the US$ 2.5 billion dollars worth of products exported through GSP are exports from American subsidiaries to their headquarters. If the US removes Brazil from the GSP, American importers will be taxed around US$ 100 million per year.

Pressure against piracy has also started to build up in the domestic market, despite the skepticism as to prospective results.

In the industrial sector, for example, only 22% of the 64 labor unions that reported to FIESP about losses resulting from street peddlers have taken legal action against piracy.

This lack of legal action occurs because of inefficient Brazilian laws: there is not a single record of an Intellectual Property Rights violation case in which the accused was sentenced to prison, says the president of the Brazilian Association of Intellectual Property(BAIP), Gustavo Leonardos, to whom the situation will only change if the government decides to step up the repression, create a plan to educate potential consumers and encourage more flexible fiscal obligations on legally established businesses.

The country’s legislature lacks, besides punishment to transgressors, incentives to protect copyrights, according to Carlos de Souza, professor of the Getúlio Vargas Foundation’s São Paulo School of Law, who also suggests changes in the recording industry’s strategy to better exploit the negotiation of music via the Internet.

By the way, it is in the music industry that modern piracy finds one of the most vulnerable fields. The Phonographic Intellectual Rights Protectorate Association of Brazil (PIRPA) estimates that legal businesses lost R$ 1 billion (approx. US$ 380 million) and were forced to eliminate 56 thousand jobs in five years.

Between January 2003 and August 2004, Internal Revenue agents apprehended 25 million CDs, either pirated or blank. In order to, at least partially, stop the flow of pirated CDs, Brazil included in its Piracy Fight accord with Paraguay a ban on blank Brazilian CDs destined to other countries.

Pirate Programs

The computer software market is fertile ground for modern piracy, in Brazil and abroad.

According to the Business Software Alliance (BSA), agency that examines the operational system and software movement in the world, out of a total of US$ 80 billion worth of programs, US$ 29 billion were pirated products while US$ 51 billions were legal products.

The software sector has a piracy average of 36%. The country with the lowest level of software piracy is the USA (22%) and China and Vietnam have the highest (92%). Brazil has a rate of 61% of pirated software and the sales of illegal programs total US$ 520 million, reports the BSA.

Controlling software piracy in Brazil has gotten efficient. The number of accusations of illegal use of programs doubles every three months, estimates the Brazilian Association of Software Enterprises (Abes), which acts in partnership with BSA.

Cable TV is another target of piracy: besides clandestine cable TV, there are 300 thousand domestic pirated hookups that make operators to lose R$ 200 million a year worth in revenues.

Piracy does not discriminate: from computers to the cigarette lighters, everything is possible. 34% of 145 billion cigarettes smoked in Brazil are bootlegged.

The illegal trade of cigarette lighters - copies of brands or models - is equivalent to more or less 20% of the market, meaning 24 million units each year.

A group of businesses - Bic Brasil, Henkel Loctite, Souza Cruz, Philip Morris, Nike of Brasil and Louis Vuitton - developed an anti-falsification program and have conducted seminars in key-cities such as Paranaguá and Foz do Iguaçu (PR), Santos (SP), Ponta Porã (MS), Porto Alegre, Recife e Fortaleza.

More than 1.5 thousand federal and state agents from the Internal Revenue Service and police forces have already been trained.

According to the Brazil-US Business Council, piracy in the USA affects 12% of the toy market (1.5 million Barbie dolls are bootlegged per year), 40% of the CD market, and 70% of the eyewear. Losses in copyrights reach US$ 800 million, out of which US$ 14 million are from the book sector.

Piracy Crimes

The term piracy is defined by brand or product counterfeit and unfair competition, besides intellectual property violations – a concept whose definition is discussed at the World Organization of Intellectual Property, the forum where strategies to protect international commercial relations is debated.

According to Brazilian laws, piracy is punishable by 3 to 12 months in prison, in addition to fines. A bill proposal is being submitted to Brazil’s Congress, introducing steeper punishment of detention time, from 24 to 28 months, and fines up to 3 thousand times the value of the pirated work.

Patent protection is in the Federal Constitution, Industrial Property Law (9.279/96), in the Consumer Defense Code, and in the Civil Code. By the Penal Code, article 184, copyrights violation results in 3 to 12 months of imprisonment or fines. The time behind bars goes from 12 to 48 months if the bootlegger intends to profit.

Globally, piracy is condemned by the Paris Convention of 1883 and by the World Trade Organization’s Agreement on Trade-Related Aspects of Intellectual Property Rights (TRIPS), of which Brazil is a signatory.

Fighting piracy is not an easy task for Brazilian businesses and requires unique strategies. For example, it is not rare for a company to pick a counterfeiter and allow him to continue counterfeiting, as long as this practice brings in return accusations against others involved in this criminal act.

This article was originally published by Problemas Brasileiros magazine. - www.sescsp.org.br/sesc/revistas.

Translated by Aldo de Paula Jansel. He is a Brazilian student in Florida, USA, deeply interested in Brazilian politics. You may reach him at rednose431@hotmail.com.



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surprise
written by Guest, March 08, 2005
Though what right had the Portuguese to establish a colony?
Brazil leader of what?
written by Guest, March 08, 2005
Oh sure we copy CD's and softwear..Meanwhile, the blanks CD for that comes from China..and nike shoes, clothes, etc..in China they even copy a Honda Motorcycle! and we poor latin americans take the heat and blame for all! One thing "f**k Microsoft"
Brazil leader of what? again..
written by Guest, March 08, 2005
I forgot to tell you why the first world worries so much about south america buying piracy...is said alredy we buy! The size of south american population is huge, we buy a lot of things from america to europe, even from china, we are the best costumers in the world for them..so I got a solution to , not to end piracy, but to bring it a little down. 1- Make south america industries more tech and competittive, 2- Bring the economy and familie stands up, 3-split Rede Globo and others channels and mono-companies, 4-is illegal get free cable, but is not illegal build your own cumminity TV-radio!, free the people! free softwear! 5- better prices for drugs, or we generic that s**t! 6- and the last, but not finish in ideias, BUY BRAZILIANS PRODUCTS!!!!
Wages
written by Guest, March 08, 2005
Has anyone stopped to consider the effects of piracy on Information Technology wages and job availability in Brazil?
A Brazilian Tradition
written by Guest, March 08, 2005
Intellectual property piracy has been alive and well in Brazil since Santos DuMont claimed credit for Orville and Wilbur Wright's flying machine!
IP
written by Guest, March 08, 2005
Let's not forget that Glenn Curtiss, an American, was actually sued by the Wright brothers for Patent Infringiment... ahhh... the American Tradition...

You guys still crack me up...
rewriting history eh?
written by Guest, March 08, 2005
Santos Dumont did fly (and invent) the first plane. He flew in Paris, was caught on video and seen by everyone. The Wright Brothers modified ther plane to look like Mr. Dummonts after they saw the footage and then tried to claim responsiblity. There's a reason that hunk of junk replica in Kitty Hawk can't get off the ground: its a first edition Wright Brothers replica. The Wright brothers only got a plane to fly after they modified their plane to look like Santos Dummont.

As long as we remember history wont be rewritten.
It is no fair!
written by Guest, March 09, 2005
It is not fair you guys talk about 3 great men. First who cares if Santos Dumont or the Wright brothers did it, they both did, were the pioneers! But funny is most Brazilians only know him as the air pioneer from our country, why don't you guys take more of your time surfing the web to find the first Brazilian airwomen and others pioneers? We have a lot of pioneers, Thanks to our beloved Military Gov, they decide to burst our patriotic love and told us that Santos Dumont was the first, and they close the country for any other information..people belive , do you guys remenber that? but today we are open again, so get your computer and try to know dates and facts.....grow up you guys! in this we lose again, why?Today, The USA again have the first civilian to go to space! Why? well they don't go to french, and sure They don't make jokes of those pioneers. Insteady, they build a economy around it, the Wright Brothers were the first to produce airplanes to the American Army, they made this not to be the first, but to make money! So the question is not who flow first, but who did most out of it! That's why we Brazilians buy and produce piracy, like the chinese, because we make fun of the serious people! I'm sure people will love to see the Aviator movie. Now say that the Wright Brothers copy the Santos dumont that was the biggest s**t I heard, I ask you, what was the most famous airplane from Santos dumont? 14Bis or Demoseille?? and by the way, they could copy any airplane from Santos Dumont, Dumont did not care to Patent his planes and others inventions...Sure he was a great man, A great Brazilian, A great pioneeer...but if he had patent it, And others Brazilians belive in a unified nation has to get togheter to build industries and investi more money in those crazy ones, maybe our air industry was a little better today? USA is not only a great country because of his democracy, but because there people have dreams and this is in any people spirit, to discover, to go free, to be crazy, even if you have to die for it! So swallow your bulls**t, and give a rest to this topic, Santos Dumont went to french because we did not belive in him!
oi jansel
written by Guest, March 09, 2005
esta tudo em ingles, nunca mais agente se falou

tchal
...
written by Guest, March 10, 2005
to the very incoherent and barely literate poster above:

"that the Wright Brothers copied Santos Dummont is the biggest s**t I've ever heard"

thats not a counter argument. Proofs in the pooding, the first time the Wright Brothers actually got a plane to fly was by modifying their plane to be like the one Mr. Dumont used to fly over Paris.

PS: Dumont also invented the wrist watch
Re: Poor Bill Gates!
written by Guest, March 10, 2005
Poor local programmers/companies that write custom applications that get pirated TOO. Again Brazil cuts off it's nose to spite it's face.
...
written by Guest, March 10, 2005
"thats not a counter argument. Proofs in the pooding, the first time the Wright Brothers actually got a plane to fly was by modifying their plane to be like the one Mr. Dumont used to fly over Paris.

PS: Dumont also invented the wrist watch"
------------------------------------------------------

Ya know, it’s just amazing that Brazil doesn’t implode into a vortex of nothingness with the amount of stupidity there. You want a straight answer about WHO invented the airplane, I suggest you travel to France (where Dumount lived) and ask officials at the Federation Aeronautique Internationale... Again, they’re French, so they don’t LOVE the US - but they will still tell you point-blank that it was the Wright Bros who made the first flight. It´s just that simple. But not for a Brazilian of course – nothing comes simple for them. Especially thought.

Dumont DIDN´T invent the wristwatch either, it was made in 1911 by Cartier - who made the watch for Royalty and one for Dumount.

It´s no wonder Brazil has so many problems, just look at the number of geniuses there are here…sheesh….
wrong!!
written by Guest, March 10, 2005
I'm the guy who wrote "Is not fair", Santos Dumont di'dn't invented the plane , neither did the Wrigth Brothers, Thay are just to fly first....And the the Quest Above...Santos Dumont did invented the wrist watch, he invented the spinal stair, and others...But like I said, if u read it...Santos Dumont DID NOT PATENT IT INVENTIONS!!! so in this world, you give credit for who patented it....would you discuss who ivented something if other person has a patent as prove to show?? santos Dumont invented the watch so he could use to hand to pilot his ballons! Again, use your computer to find out..but I can't prove you anyway, if Cartier patent it, then he invented. Now Santos Dumont, Wright Brothers , they both copy somehow others airplane design, the problem was how to make it fly! If you study the design, from Dumont 14bis, that plane was real crazy, float...but was experimental, same to Wright's Kitty, float, but took then almost more 4 years to made it perfect, and they got it better after the plane got a new powerfull engine...so you guys see is not only a airplane, if you see the airplane history till 1900/1945, the engine played a vital function in the airplane design...
Wrong AGAIN
written by Guest, March 10, 2005
santos Dumont invented the watch so he could use to hand to pilot his ballons!
-----------------------------------------
Cartier MADE THE WATCH FOR DUMONT. Nothing to do with patents.

As for the plane, GO to France and check out the Federation Aeronautique Internationale - forget stupid internet sites where anyone can write anything. Do some real research!!!
LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
written by Guest, March 10, 2005
The funny part is that most of the Piracy online comes from people inside America using Kazaa and others P2P programs.



Also you never going to see in NY street people selling bootleg movies. LOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLL


LOLLLLLLL

Santos Dumont X Wright Bros.
written by Guest, March 10, 2005
Each said did something


Now we can talk about what is airplane for you.


If the airplane, for you, is something that need external power to go up then The Wright Bros did the trick.

Now if you beleive that airplane should be a machine that can go up using it own motor then you have to give to Dumont.


appalled
written by Guest, March 11, 2005
Brazilians claim that the toothpick was invented in Brazil by Brazilians. If this is true than again no patent made and the chinese have screwed you once again.Of course the rest of the world wraps them in paper which is more clever than having to shake a little container to get one toothpick through a small hole that was placed in the containers by most likely a guy that didn't was his hands after using the loo. What a joke! ." It's Shake & Bake and I helped".........
Square wheel
written by Guest, March 11, 2005
I saw a commercial involving a square wheel on Brazilian TV. Brazil must have invented the square wheel.
Food for thought
written by Guest, March 11, 2005

A Quick Biography

There is no question that Santos Dumont was an important pioneer aviator. Born in Brazil, he emigrated to France in 1891with his parents and the profits of their coffee plantation. A dapper playboy, a talented mechanic, and a natural engineer, he began racing motorized tricycles, then turned to ballooning, then to dirigibles. He delighted Parisians by dropping down unexpectedly from the skies in his primitive gasbags to salute the President of France, attend a children's birthday party, or just enjoy a cup of coffee. In 1901, he piloted his Airship No. 6 around the Eiffel Tower, winning a prize of 100,000 francs -- all of which he gave to his mechanics.
In 1904 -- a year after the Wright brothers had made their first powered flight-- Santos Dumont turned his attention to heavier-than-air flying. He began with a glider, then built an unsuccessful helicopter in 1905. In 1906, he built a strange-looking flying machine -- a biplane of what the French had begun to call the type du Wright, loosely based on the Wright biplane plans that had been published in several European magazines. The box-like elevator and rudder protruded in front of the wings like the head of a duck in flight. It was promptly dubbed a canard (French for "duck"), and the name was incorporated into the growing aeronautical lexicon.

Santos Dumont called the airplane the 14-bis, meaning "14-encore" since the airplane made its first appearance suspended from the belly of Santos Dumont's No. 14 dirigible. He flew it without the dirigible on September 13, 1906, making a hop of between 23 and 43 feet, depending on who you talked to. On October 27, he managed to fly 197 feet. Then, on November 12, he set the first aviation record in Europe, flying 722 feet (220 meters) in 21-1/2 seconds with members of the Aero-Club du France in attendance. This won Santos Dumont a prize of 1500 francs for making the first flight in Europe over 100 meters, and because he was observed by officials from what would become the Federation Aeronautique Internationale (the designated keeper of aviation records), he was credited with making the first powered flight in Europe.

Santos Dumont flew the 14-bis for one more brief hop on April 4, 1907, then abandoned it as a technological dead end. He turned the design around so the canard was in back and made a tractor biplane with plywood wings, the 15-bis. This, however, refused to fly. He turned to monoplanes and produced four unsuccessful models, but the fifth -- the Demoiselle, first flown in 1909 -- was a winner. Tiny and quick, it was the first practical light aircraft, although pilots reported that it was a handful in the air. In a grand and magnanimous gesture, Santos Dumont offered the plans to the public free of charge. They were published worldwide -- in America, they appeared in Popular Mechanics -- enabling hopeful young aviators of limited means to get into the air inexpensively. In this way, Santos Dumont and his Demoiselle helped fuel the phenomenal growth of aviation in the years before World War 1.

Unfortunately for aviation, Santos Dumont never produced another airplane as popular or as influential as the Demoiselle. He was stricken with multiple sclerosis, dropped out of aviation, and retired to Brazil in 1916. He died there in 1932.

The Case for Santos Dumont

It's difficult for citizens of the United States to understand why Brazilians are so insistent that he was the first to fly when the very sources they cite seem to prove just the opposite. Brazilians point proudly to the records of the Federation Aeronautique Internationale that show Santos Dumont made his record 722-foot flight in 1906, often without disputing the eyewitness accounts that corroborate the Wright brothers report of 852 feet in 1903. To help explain why this is so, perhaps it would be best to let a Brazilian make the case for Santos Dumont.

This is one of the better-written and less strident letters that we have received from Brazil:
Dear Sirs,
I recognize the importance of Wright Brothers to the progress of aviation, to people of USA. But I'll never recognize any kind of primacy in flight from that Gentlemen, first because they were working in absolute "secret", until 1908, when they presented their ground device dependant flying machine in Europe for the first time. Considering the alleged date for the first flight event, I cannot understand why 5 years later they were still using a catapult. I can't understand also why they tried to convince everybody with a simple photograph of an airplane flying high (more than a meter) over the launch rail, when hundreds of people watched every experiment made by Alberto Santos-Dumont since the beginning of the century, including that first flight on December 23rd, 1906 before a huge crowd on Bagatelle Field, Paris, with full press and media coverage and movie recording. It was an Official Experiment, homologated by Aero Club de France members present at the meeting. The numbers: 200 meters ground roll, 80 to 90 cm height, 60 meters distance, 30 to 35 km/h speed. About October 23rd, 1906 flight, Mr. Gordon Bennet, American, owner of Herald newspaper, told: "The first Human mechanical flight", among several other European newspaper headlines. Then, on November 12th, 1906, he managed to perform two more flights: In the first he traveled 82 meters in seven seconds. In the second, he managed 220 meters in 21 seconds, flying well above the crowd (out of ground effect) and winning Archdeacon Prize, established for the first to fly over 100 m distance. This last flight could last longer, but it had to be interrupted when the crowd precipitated under the flying machine, the pilot deciding to abort the experiment. Note: All this flights was done with absolute no ground equipment, such as catapult or ground engine. This fact, registered in a session of Aeroclub de France, on December, 1910 as "the first Aviator of the universe to fly in an motor airplane", was remembered too, by the Archdeacon Prize itself, and a Monument on Bagatelle with the inscriptions:
"Ici le 12 novembre 1906, sous le controle de l'Aero-Club de France, Santos-Dumont a établi les premiers records d'áviation du monde. Durée 21s 1/5 Distance 220 m"
(Translation: Here, on November 12th, 1906, under control of Aero-Club de France, Santos-Dumont established the first Aviation Record of the world. Duration: 21 sec 1/5 Distance 220 meters).
Well, I'm only 42 years old, I didn't experience those events myself. But everybody can research on all available documents in libraries and newspapers. History (yes, real History!) tells us through dozens of European and a fistful of American newspapers what really happened. And what happened wasn't a whisper message to my neighbor in a silly game, but a strong shout that traveled over the ocean at that time, and is echoing until the present days...
By the truth.
Yours sincerely,
Capt. Roberto Rodrigues Mola
Sao Paulo - Brazil

P.S. Santos-Dumont donated all the money from all the prizes he won to his faithful mechanics, in order to reacquire their tools given to pawn. Santos-Dumont was an idealist, aviation passionate, and never requested a patent for his machines, giving for nothing all the plans for 14-Bis and Demoiselle construction to anybody who requested them.

Examining the Case

Having given Captain Mola his say, let me respond to the individual points in his letter.
"...they were working in absolute "secret", until 1908.."
One of the strongest objections that Brazilians seem to have to giving primacy to the Wright brothers was that they worked in secret. Santos Dumont, who was as much a showman as an aviator, did everything out in the open. There's no doubt about it, the Brazlian was a great deal more outgoing that the Wright brothers. The Brazilians argue the Wrights never made a public flight until 1908, whereas Santos Dumont made three public flights in 1906. They also use this same argument to discredit Clement Ader, who claimed to have made a flight before the French military in 1897 . Ader, they say, was flying in secret for the military. They conveniently forget that Ader made a public flight in 1890.

While it's true the Wright brothers never flew in Europe until 1908, they had made several public flights before Santos Dumont. In 1903, they invited the citizens of Kitty Hawk to watch their flight trials on December 14 and then again on December 17. The fact that only a handful of people showed up had a lot to do with the fact that there were only a handful of people living in Kitty Hawk. If Paris had the winds the Wright brothers needed for their initial glider experiments and the Wrights had chosen Paris over Kitty Hawk, then their first powered flights might have been better attended. As for the media, the Wright brothers purposely did not invite the newspapers because they wanted the announcement of the first flight to come out of Dayton, Ohio so their home town would get the honor.

The Wrights also invited the public -- and the media -- to witness their flights in late May of 1904. About 30 reporters showed up at Huffman Prairie on May 23. The Wrights could not get the airplane motor to run properly, and everyone went home disappointed. A handful came back on May 26, but the Wrights were only able to manage a flight of about 25 feet -- roughly the same distance that Santos Dumont covered two years later on September 13, 1906.

In 1905, after the Wrights felt they had worked the bugs out of their invention and had created a practical airplane, they invited the public back again. They sent out about 30 invitations to people whom they thought would make credible witnesses. Several hundred showed up at Huffman Prairie to watch them fly on October 4 and 5 , 1905. On October 5, Wilbur was able to keep the Wright Flyer 3 in the air for 39 minutes, flying 30 complete circuits of the field and covering over 24 miles -- in public.
To sum up, the Wrights made at least six public flights of varying degrees of success before 1906.

"...they presented their ground device dependant flying machine..."
Another common objection of the Santos Dumont camp is that the Wright brothers used a catapult to launch their airplane. They ignore the fact that the Wright brothers made over 40 flights of varying lengths before they built a catapult, including the four flights on December 17, 1903. They also ignore the records of the flights the Wrights made in 1904 and 1905, which show that the catapult wasn't always used. If the Wrights felt they had sufficient headwinds, they took off without it.

The Wrights continued to use the catapult and launching rail long after they needed to because they felt it offered an advantage over wheels. Aircraft with wheels needed a long take-off run; with a rail the Wrights could be off the ground in as little as 60 feet. Additionally, the rail kept the airplane headed in the proper direction until the air was flowing over the control surfaces fast enough to give the pilot adequate control. Ground loops and other accidents were all too common in wheeled aircraft that had to traverse some distance before the controls became effective.

Wilbur Wright experienced this anti-catapult chauvinism in France in 1908 when he set an altitude record and the Federation Aeronautique Internationale denied him the record because he made an "assisted" take-off. To prove to the French that whatever assistance the catapult had provided was beside the point, Wilbur took off unassisted on skids alone and set the record anew.

A year later, the Wrights gave in to market pressures and began to install wheeled undercarriages on their airplanes. But they still used the same engine they had used when they first flew in France. Power wasn't an issue; they could have added wheels earlier. They simply believed that the catapult and rail system was better.

Brazilians usually bring up the Wright catapult to imply that the Wright airplanes were somehow less technologically advanced than Santos Dumont's. So it's worth noting that on December 31, 1908, Wilbur Wright made a record-breaking flight where he remained aloft for 2 hours, 18 minutes, and 33 seconds, winning the coveted Coupe de Michelin. During his entire flying career, Santos Dumont never remained airborne in one of his airplanes for more then 10 minutes.

"It was an Official Experiment, homologated by Aero Club de France members..."

The Santos Dumont club also makes a great deal over the fact that Santos Dumont is the very first name in the official record book of aviation, kept by the Federation Aeronautique Internationale, an organization that grew out of the Aero- Club. What they don't consider is that the French started keeping this record book in 1906. When the Wright brothers made their successful 852-foot flight in 1903 and the 24-mile flight in 1905, there weren't any record keepers to invite to these events.

It's telling that Santos Dumont's monument at Bagatelle, where he flew in 1906, says that he "established the first Aviation Record of the world." It doesn't say that he flew first; it just says that he garnered the first official record.

"History...tells us through dozens of European and a fistful of American newspapers what really happened."

If it were true that newspapers reported only history, then there were successful airplanes not only before Santos Dumont, but long before the Wright brothers. Pick any large American city, go to the central library, and begin to search the major newspapers between 1890 and 1900. On the average, you'll find three or four successful flights in that decade, each informing you that the pilot/inventor was the first to fly. And the further away from the city that this flight occurred, the more wildly successful it was. I once found a report in a Denver, Colorado newspaper from 1869 that a group of businessmen in California were using an airship to ferry miners in and out of remote mining camps. The venture was so successful, that they were building three more airships to create a whole fleet.

Because journalists often repeat fanciful stories without checking the facts, or invent fanciful stories they think will sell newspapers, historians have learned not to trust them in matters of history.

All of which is lost on a Brazilian

Before I wrote this piece, I made these arguments to a friend of mine who has spent a great deal of time in Brazil and is in love with the culture. His comment: "You have explained your position with unassailable logic, which won't impress anyone in Brazil." Brazilians, he tells me, have their own way of recounting history. Santos Dumont, to a Brazilian, was the first to fly not because he flew first, but because in the minds of his countrymen, he deserved to be first. He expressed himself with more passion, conducted himself with more panache, and flew with more aplomb than the shy, retiring and somewhat secretive Wright brothers.

A correspondent from Brasilia, Brazil explained it to me another way. In 1937, Brazil was in the grips of the Vargas dictatorship. Vargas instituted a department within his government for "Information and Propaganda." According to this source, "The D.I.P. was in charge of publishing all schoolbooks, and it set a consistent line of singing the praises of Brazil and all things Brazilian. The Vargas dictatorship ended in 1945, but the D.I.P.-influenced schoolbooks endured. (I studied in books like those.) The Wright brothers and other aviation pioneers are rarely mentioned."

As a result of this indoctrination, the aeronautical primacy of Santos Dumont has become part of a belief system among many Brazilians. When a North American expresses his opinion that the Wright brothers beat Santos Dumont into the air by several years, he is attacking an article of cultural faith in Brazil. The Brazilian reacts with emotion, and if the North American counters with objective evidence, he is an arrogant Yankee.
Whatever the reasons for our differences on this matter, I do wish that the Brazilians who write to us to promote the cause of Santos Dumont would do so without degrading the Wright brothers. Aviation history and cultural beliefs aside, it's clear to me that Santos Dumont had a generous heart and abundant personal grace. During his lifetime, he never stooped to advance his own rep**ation at the expense of others. For his supporters to do so is to demean the memory of a great man and aviator.
oh god
written by Guest, March 11, 2005
And Americans have no indoctrination?

Sir you show your bias. "All [logic] which is lost on a Brazilian". When a Brasilian tells and American that Dumont was first to fly, he is attacking an Americans article of cultural faith as well. SInce Pre- Kindergarten Americans are indoctrinated with various beliefs, amongst them that the Wright Brothers were the first to fly. Your arrogance at trying to make this a cultural issue that only Brasilians are affected by is astounding, and despicable.

In as far as all the research that I and my colleagues have done, the Wright Brothers are the first to have claimed to fly but Santos Dummont was the first to proove it.
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written by Guest, March 11, 2005
I had already seen that written in a site (you should have provided the link)- it’s an interesting article. I think what is of prime importance in this article is the mentioning of the DIP. Much of the hoopla and ballyhoo in Brazil appears based on a form of propgrammed cultural psychosis as opposed to rational objective thought.

It’s not something endemic only in Brazil, but sadly an affliction that faces many nations. Just look to Canada, the US and Scotland - all three countries claim Alexander Graham Bell as their own, and all three claim the invention of the telephone. Textbooks in Canada only mention his Canadian status, but neglect to talk about his past or in which country he lived when he started fiddling with telephony. So for most Canadians, like Americans and Scots - he and his invention are products of THEIR nation, and no one elses.

So, you can’t blame Brazilians in general too much if not all the pieces in the puzzle have been laid out for them. It has been a concerted effort on the part of nations all over the world to hype-up their own history and the expense of the truth.

That said, I do think Brazilians could be a little more polite, thicker-skinned and less threatening whenever these types of debates are opened. I’ve seen far too many arguments end in "vai tomar no seu cu, f***********a gringo" because information was presented that didn’t compliment what they had learned in school.
@oh god
written by Guest, March 11, 2005
I think you’re right to a point. Certainly the US, like many other nations are indoctrinated with halve truths and nationalistic grandstanding on certain achievements over time. However, ALMOST all schools the world over (at least with my experiences in Canada, England and Scandinavia) are teaching that the Wright bros. were the first. So you can´t neccessarily pin this soley on the US educational system.

History is now an open book for interpretation, and we now have access to all sorts of information, and most, if not all, now concede that the Wright Bros. are deserving of the honor "first to fly". Granted it is a checkered, controversial and interesting history, but I think all the arguments pointing to dumont are just splitting hairs.

That said Dumont was a genius and should be celebrated, not only in Brazil but also around the world.
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written by Guest, March 11, 2005
yes but textbooks in Brasil talk about Dummont and the Wright Bros whereas no one in the US has even heard of Dummont. So for him to talk about indoctrination as a plague in Brazil is ridiculous. And to say that the reason Brasilians cling to Dummont is bc they dont know all the facts is ridiculous considering: a- there's a very credible and in my opinion correct argument to be made for Dummont and b- most people who claim the Wright Bros dont even know about him.

No ones arguing that the Wright Bros have claimed to fly first. Heck as the author points out there have been dozens of claims previous to both of them. The issue is that all of Dummonts flights were in front of rep**able witnesses whilst the Wright Bros's witnesses were always highly questionable. WHen they tried to do it in front of two american senators, there plane could not get off the ground.
RE: FOOD FOR THOUGHT
written by Guest, March 11, 2005
Mister, you took half of your day to copy a whole page from a website...www.first-to-fly.com...would make easy just tell the website address! Anyway, this web site is from a American who belive that Wright Brothers were the first! At the same time you can see there was a letter to respond the american fan, capitan Mola, as a Brazilian wrote what is true for us...But like someone said...Americans won't give a inch! and we should to the same, even that we have all the proves they need....The thing is Santos Dumont went to Paris were was the Cultural city of the world, today the Americans says is NY..But the funny thing is after the Wright plane was flying fine, with a better/powerfull engine , they went to france to show it..why? they sure aare a better businees men than pioneers!
Santos Dumont was the first to fly, with no help, the plane was a crazy looking one maybe this is the problem. But for me He was the first to fly, he was the real pioneer, because he made a new plane design!! planes like the wright brothers design, is the basic, since the man look to a bird. But I respect the Wright Brothers, and my wish was the recon from the whole world and someone asked who flow first....Santos Dumomt and Wright Brothers would be side by side. This is real history! or better this is the real Human Hitory!! not a country! That's what I want to see, as a Brazilian, so I won't give a inch too, even with all prove we HAVE. till the wrote the human book right!
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written by Guest, March 11, 2005
"yes but textbooks in Brasil talk about Dummont and the Wright Bros whereas no one in the US has even heard of Dummont."

I take it you just pulled this little fact from your ass? Given that there are American sites dedicated to the debate about who invented the airplane you can´t say NO ONE in the US knows about Dumont.

I take it you´ve studied in high school in the US? How else would you know what is included and what is not in their text books? Brazilian media? The same media that claims American text books have the Amazon titled as being an International reserve?
RE: OH MANO!
written by Guest, March 11, 2005
First, if you are a American, I'm LULA. No, claro amigo, you ain't a American..So I said to make the textbooks right..I meant not change the facts or dismain the Valor of the Wright Brothers..no..I for one as a Brazilian admire the Americans..like I admire the first civilian to fly to space border by a American..What a spirit! What I meant is..in my country and yours too, we should admire our countrymen valours ....we have today websites , and we will always talk about Santos Dumont, I'm sure in
Brazil..better, "Brasil"with a s, Brazilians who know world history better than both of us two...knows wright Brothers. But We do not do like that American from the www.first-to-fly.com, after a beautifull letter from Capitao Mola, even at the end he mention, he was just 42 years old and off course wasn't there! Now if you see the answer from the American, after saying the respect and all for Santos Dumobnt, but...What he say about Santos Dumont was like he knew him! so if you don't belive he was the first, with all the filmes, people, etc...but to talk about a person, he belive that was wrote about Santos Dumont, and use that against Capt. Mola letter..sounds Hipocrita and a well educated prick! What I meant was, in America they belive whatever they want, for me the wright brothers were the first in America..like Dumontis for us in Brazil and europe by the way!..but in the world stage, what textbook I care if both names are there with the same respect!! Like I said, that I won't give a inch! --Now I don't care if the US if nobody knows about Dumont...But don't be a bitch if we do the same in BraSil ok! That's is what we call a sovereign country!... Now my friend, Americans , nor Brazilians invented the airplane....you were right my HS, do you know what is a HS, ( high School) was in Brasil, I'm sure yours was not in the USA too...and I see by your "pulled this from your ass"street talk you didn't enter college in Brasil, nor USA....And the finish about the media, I see you live in the USA, as a immigrante, no shame on that...but, the finish about media claims Americam textbook have the Amazon as a international reserve..that is what gave u as a Brazilian...and that what a real American would say..you pulled out of your ass!
Here I even will sign my name, like I do all the time so you can hunt me down using your faces, and double opinions.
Ricardo Silva.
A MIRACE!!
written by Guest, March 11, 2005
Re: for one as a Brazilian admire the Americans
A Brazilian had something nice to say about Americans or USA, we need to mark that one down on the calendar!

Re: and that what a real American would say..
Only ones that use foul language!
A Real and DECENT American would say:
you pulled out of your HAT!
United States in the Moon?
written by Guest, March 11, 2005
Another american fabricated hoax to claim world recognition...German designed rocket with yankee money by the CIA organized prank…

Long Live Castro Short Live Monkey Bush!
Meant it on the moon...
written by Guest, March 11, 2005
sorry, american pricks!
The Bottom Line!
written by Guest, March 11, 2005
We Brazilians insult Americans in their own language (English)....I would like to see the opposite, is that asking too much?

Americans don't know any languages, cultures, geography or geometry....hehehe!

Long Live Castro Short Live Monkey Bush!
Who is Right?
written by Guest, March 11, 2005
The father of aviation:

World = Santos Dummon (docummented)
USA= Wright Brothers (acclaimed)

Long Live Castro Short Live Monkey Bush!
Wake up and smell the coffee boys !
written by Guest, March 11, 2005
If you want to bash either the Americans or Brazilians, or anyone else for that matter why don't you use the Forum? The piece was written to articulate the issues of priacy in Brazil. Brazilians lack any civil ethics which is why the country is still a banana republic in the eyes of the 1st world developed countries. But it is an inexpensive place to live as long as you watch your back and keep your nose clean. And if you pay for sex in Brazil you are a complete idiot! The girls just love to give it for free! Refreshing to say the least...
...
written by Guest, March 11, 2005
Wow, I see our resident sage has reared his all-knowing head again and blessed us with more truculent pleasantries; further fostering the world renown cordialty of Brazilian congenial banter.

Mandou bem garoto!! Mandou bem!!
in response
written by Guest, March 11, 2005
>I take it you just pulled this little fact from your ass? Given that ?>there are American sites dedicated to the debate about who >invented the airplane you can´t say NO ONE in the US knows >about Dumont.

No I really meant that all 300 million ppl in the US had never heard of Dummont. Not to quick on the uptake eh?

>I take it you´ve studied in high school in the US? How else would >you know what is included and what is not in their text books? >Brazilian media? The same media that claims American text books >have the Amazon titled as being an International reserve?

Matter of fact I DID study in the US jackass. No less than 6 years, unlike yourself who obviously has no education whatsoever. Hows' the GED coming along? And for you to try to homogenize Brasilian media is ridiculous.

So please try to not make a fool out of yourself in public, and go read.
... in their own language
written by Guest, March 11, 2005
Brasil e um esgoto de corrupcao, mau caraterismo, enveja, incompetencia com um povinho perguicoso demais consertar o pais deles e quer tudo de graça sem trabalhar.

No, it's not asking too much at all.
re:in response
written by Guest, March 12, 2005
"No I really meant that all 300 million ppl in the US had never heard of Dummont. Not to quick on the uptake eh? "

Yer a real feisty bloke aint ya? Well there homer, if you could write a little more succinctly, and not bloviate irrationally like some neanderthal enlightened by the ease of multiple finger typing, than maybe you too could contribute something a hair sharper than broad-stroke generalizations to the discussion.

"Matter of fact I DID study in the US jackass. "

Cute - I see that you studied with some of the more refined and eloquent pundits that the U.S produces. Well, no one claims the US to be the parapet of civility.

"Hows' the GED coming along? "

“Great Erected Dick” well frankly, no complaints thus far.

"And for you to try to homogenize Brasilian media is ridiculous."

You ARE joking right? Take a peek at “Globo: Beyond Citizen Kane”. Opps, sorry – you can’t see it because Brazil’s patron Saint of journalistic truth and Mr. ‘which ever direction the political wind blows count me in” Roberto Marinho, bought the rights and buried the film. So now few, if any, can bare witness to how his media empire has manipulated and coerced the masses for decades.

Tell me, why does the Brasiilan media NOT discuss their ROLE in March 31 1996? Lots of great stories of torture and international intrigue-damn iankees, but do they ever admit being accomplices? YA RIGHT. Do the headlines “fora” and “basta” ring any bells? But this is besaides the point and off topic.

"So please try to not make a fool out of yourself in public, and go read."

I’ve read enough of your rant and feel no more enlightened.
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written by Guest, March 12, 2005
to the very incoherent and barely literate poster above:

"that the Wright Brothers copied Santos Dummont is the biggest s**t I've ever heard"

thats not a counter argument. Proofs in the pooding,

HEY!! IF YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE FUN OF SOMEONE WHO IS CLEARLY SPEAKING ENGLISH AS A SECOND LANGUAGE, I'D SUGGEST YOU USE A DICTIONARY.

POODING = WRONG
PUDDING = RIGHT

FORTUNATELY WE DON'T NEED TO RIDICULE THOSE OF LOWER INTELLECT.

THEY TEND TO DO IT THEMSELVES.
oq? armiricano ca?
written by Guest, March 12, 2005
Vixe, If here has any real Armericano cabra da peste di verdade!, I'm dreaming. Look vismici num repara nao, But you guys are a bunch of Brasiliuns! That's why voismices don't care about anything real, like the piracy, with robes our economy and jobs...and our money too, because is china who takes the best out of it and others commys countries....and us only the blame for it...look what are you guys writing above, read once, twice again...so much bulls**t!!
Cumpadres, arte logo!
Your Portuguese Ta Podre!
written by Guest, March 12, 2005
"perguicoso"...que porra e essa? Ahh....a mesma porra que esprimi dentro da sua mae, ne mane?

Stick to English.....You're the only surviving abortion I have ever seen....hehehe!

Long Live Castro Short Live Monkey Bush!

... in their own language 2
written by Guest, March 12, 2005
Seu 100 vergonha...canalha metido a americano, FODA-SE CANGOTE PROFUNDO!

The best part of you ran down the crack of your mother's ass and ended up as a brown stain on the mattress....deal!

Long Live Castro Short Live Monkey Bush!
Wake up and smell the coffee boys-Part 2
written by Guest, March 12, 2005
Shut your lollipop-sucking mouth before I ram your coned forehead up your gaping a*****e and make you to dance the Macarena for nickels outside of your nearest Wal-Mart, stupid.


hehehe...Long Live Castro Short Live Monkey Bush

Wake up and smell the coffee boys- Part
written by Guest, March 12, 2005
Hey Part Two !, Can't you be more inventive than to have to stoop to use my handle and add Part 2? My vocabulary is quite advanced to yours so please don't be such a Buro. And I stiil love all the sluty free p**as in your wonderful country.. Ah Brazil - Thanks mate !!
Wake up and smell the coffee boys- Part
written by Guest, March 13, 2005
The saga continues...me "Buro" ? OK, but that makes you a real "Burro"....Your Portuguese is rotten like your breadth.. and your English is not far behind either!

No English, No Portuguese….. Do you speak fluent dyslexic?

Hehehe….. You not only sound like an imbecile, but I'll hazard a guess you look exactly like one, too.


You…unflushed turd.


HAKUNA MATATA
written by Guest, March 13, 2005
how the hell did you start at piracy and get to who invented the airplane
USA Sucks
written by Guest, March 13, 2005
i live in the US and its just people who live for money
Good Lord
written by Guest, March 13, 2005
Who gives a flying f**k?
Re: HAKUNA MATATA
written by Guest, March 14, 2005
Because even the airplane was pirated by Brazilians!
Hakuna Matata
written by Guest, March 14, 2005
Who pirated your brains? Sounds like there's a reasonable debate about credit for a first in airplane flights…Wouldn't be the first time there has been such a debate of "firsts"…But why do you care so much? Are your egos that fragile? You guys are comical…You win the How Many Angles Can Dance On The Head of A Pin Award! LOL
wot!? ca num ter Armiricano no seu morco
written by Guest, March 14, 2005
Ah, these Braziliuns are mucho funny! Long live to Castro, lokk here seu javevo! Castro already live long enough, He'll die like anybody...The problem is you will bve here to see Cuba became a hot, nice country pos-fidel...and your country still behind it!!, what a loser, is like this: when a Burro speaks, you a*****es listen!!, ah, ah, ah, voismices are um bunch of maricotas!! Oh, look a Brazilian American hater, but lives in the US...he complains that the USA is bad, but after making some money, he will be showing off his brand new car..."he's not thinking about work in Brazil, when he gets back"...on some beach, trying to lure some young girl to rob her young life from her face, what can I say..Keep it up! voismice do a very bom work!! What a losers in these page!
Jornal Nacional
written by Guest, March 14, 2005
March, 14 2005
Breaking news..brazilians decide not to kiss American'ass..insteady they chose to suck the chinese dicks!
Jornal Nacional
written by Guest, March 14, 2005
March, 14 2005
Jornal Nacional
written by Guest, March 14, 2005
March, 14 2005
Breaking news!
Chinese decide to kiss American Ass for better trade, Americans are getting a good deal with the Chinese. hen asked by a American Media why the chinese are so relaxed..the Chineses did not comment! but they told that the newborn will drop this year!
viva hugo chavez and viva castro
written by Guest, March 14, 2005
the bastard gringo republicans are the scourge of this planet for supporting coups for the blanco oligarchy in honduras, chile, brazil, guatemala, paraguay, venezuela, haiti, panama, and grenada.

the US under the racist and imperialist republicans are an imperialist nation that poses a direct threat to the peace loving nations of latin america and the peace of the whole region.

These imperialist republicans in the US only wants to steal the resources of the region and undermine land reform, like in venezuela.

these bastards do not give a hoot for real democracy, but only wants to perpetuate gringo racism, imperialism, and the privileges of an oligarchical elite, at the expense of the masses.
Jornal Nacional
written by Guest, March 14, 2005
march, 14 2005
Brazilians complain about US wants not to share the real democracy fruits..Brazilians wants American to know they to want to Have a 2,000 square hiouses and one mercedez-bens uin the garage...If the Americans not give what the Brazilians demand, they will ask to Russia and China!!
Jornal Nacional
written by Guest, March 14, 2005
march, 14 2005
Breaking news..The new soap opera from gigante monopolion Rede Globo "America"is a huge sucess! Most Brazilians decide that after the Soap opera finish they will move to the USA, because the soap opera will have trained english and give the know how to live there!
wot!? ca num ter Armiricano no seu morco
written by Guest, March 15, 2005
Uneducated grease ball...You are dumber than a June bug on a string!

Don't breed... infected rectumn!
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written by Guest, March 15, 2005
"the US under the racist and imperialist republicans are an imperialist nation that poses a direct threat to the peace loving nations of latin america and the peace of the whole region"

Peace loving nations/region? WTF. Do you have any idea how many people are killed in Latin America every year? Over 40,000 in Brazil alone. 23,000 in Colombia. In a list of the TOP TEN countries for MURDER in the 1990s, 7 of the countries in the TOP TEN where these PEACE LOVING LATIN NATIONS you mentioned.

Are you that tuned out of reality? Or did you have your synapses replaced with lickorish as a child?

Latin Americans love to kill, they just haven´t perfected how to export their violence to other countries. YET (although they are making a nice attempt of it in the US). In the mean time, they continue to practise on their own citizens.

It´s reading rubbish like like this when I loose all hope for this part of the world.
Wow, intresting site this is
written by Guest, March 15, 2005
Could somebody tell me why verybody is yelling to each other here?
Is this a mutual hate site for Brazilians and Americans or a discussion site on Brazilian matters?

It's just a little ignorant stupid Belgian visitor asking.
Jornal Nacional
written by Guest, March 15, 2005
weather forecast for the city of Rio de janeiro:
Mornig - Partly cloudy, 85% chances of bullets rain by noon, low 87F, drugs dealers, pickpots are calm today, great chances to be rob and not killed before afternoon.
Noon - Start ealy by 11:30 am, some cloudys moving in with the police and the drugs dealer, great chances of torrential bullets rain, sum will come out before the end of the day.
night - some exporadic lost bullets, but calm night, soem corps still in the street, but with the strong wind you may not smell it.
Jornal Nacional
written by Guest, March 15, 2005
Breaking News:
Brazilians are the most lovingly nation in South America, they killed/torture less people than all countries in South America. President Lula won't ask Castro to free the over hundreds of political prisioners in Cuba, He said is not his business... World History..Castro life, the future revolution leader of uba, have his first kill in college, the victim, a college security worker. Today you get the dead penalty for killing any security person in Cuba.
Re: Wow, intresting site this is
written by Guest, March 15, 2005
Because Brazilians are having a Fidel craze and are showing thier hatred for Americans. They make racist remarks against Americans supposedly for being "intolerant warmongers". This American says, I don't care who we anger as long as it results in no repeat of 9/11.

-Proud GW Bush supporter
Proud GW Bush supporter
written by Guest, March 15, 2005
If you're proud of Bush, then you're a fool…and I'm from the US, not Brazil. The Bush administration is dishonest, corrupt, and inept. The abuses of human rights committed by them is the worst ever. Bush's apocalyptic religious beliefs that guide his policies are crazy and dangerous. The policies of the neo-conservatives are hell bent on undoing all of the New Deal programs that have kept the US economy strong. Unless you are among the top 1% wealthiest people in the US, the Bush policies are designed to harm you, yet you go along with them because of fear and divisive social issues. Read _What's the Matter with Kansas? How Conservatives Won the Heart of America_ by Thomas Frank.
Re: Wow, intresting site this is 2
written by Guest, March 15, 2005
For the gentleman from Belgian....if this site was "www.belggia.com", typically, americans would find an argument to put down your country, it is just their nature! Somehow, makes them feel justified for killing inoccent people all over the planet.

As to that "Proud GW Bush supporter" spitball, furtonately, you are an inconsequential pile of dog s**t....Who stirred the s**t in your local cesspool to wake you up?

GET LOST!

Re: Wow, intresting site this is 2
written by Guest, March 15, 2005
Well. This proofs the point I'm making I guess.
I think I'll stick to reading the articles, an d not the reactions.
Peace & Harmony to you all.

Abraços / greetings
Jornal Nacional
written by Guest, March 15, 2005
breaking news!!
What's the matter with brasilia, How conservatives always won the hearth of Brazilians. In this Book we see how a country full of commys always vote for the right wing partys? even today, only the left won the voters, because of a conservative attitude, even backing those Bush policies.........read that book and forget Kansas because Dorothy and Toto are lost in Brazil!....New site on the internet..www.belggia.com, there's no Americans or Belgians.....but guess who are there!
Re :breaking news!!
written by Guest, March 15, 2005
Was that an attempt at humor? Your attempt failed!
greatest terrorrists and imperialists
written by Guest, March 15, 2005
are the bastard republican and racist republican led government.

they are the greatest threat to world peace.
To that gringo republican supporter
written by Guest, March 15, 2005
up yours you racist gringo imperialist!!!!!!!!!!!!!
dangerous gringos: watch out for them
written by Guest, March 15, 2005
out to steal your land, oil, do coups in your country against democratic and leftist elected governments.

the repblican gringos even wants to steal your wife!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

unite latin americans, against this evil gringo imperialism, which is being perpetrated by the nazish and racist and imperialist republicans, who stole the election through fraud and intimidaition against racial minorities, be it red, black, yellow, or brown.

long live castro, evo morales, and hugo chavez!!!
Jornal Nacional
written by Guest, March 15, 2005
Breaking news:
South Americans now united by TV. The copy Al-jazeera Tv will talk about South America, The money for such TV will be paid by some nice Governaments such Brazil, Venezuala..Hugo Chaves, wants to tell his life in a soup opera style...and others, once again South Americans will know everything happening in the world by videophone.
Re: will know everything
written by Guest, March 15, 2005
Except literacy
Jornal Nacional
written by Guest, March 15, 2005
Breaking News:
On feb, 20 2005 Brazzil article "when in Brazil don't do like Brazilians"or something like that..this article breaks a new record in comments. Most Brazilians when asked did they read the article to write a comment, all did, but the check the article most because has a nice ass picture, and because is the kind of article most like to talk about..when the article is most about ficcao, or no usefull information about Brazil. And the top answer: I like to annoy!
Re: Thomas Frank
written by Guest, March 15, 2005
Your reference to Frank exposes you as a Democrat Party activist

Here is a rebuttal:

What's the Matter with Thomas Frank?
Steven Malanga


Well, Frank's characterization of the Jayhawk State is completely—bizarrely—at odds with the facts. Kansas's economy has actually outpaced the nation's for years now. Throughout the 1990s and the first part of this new decade, Kansas had a lower unemployment rate than the U.S. economy as a whole. In fact, when the country's unemployment rate dipped below 5 percent from 1997 to 2001, Kansas's fell under 4 percent—a level so low that economists basically consider it full employment. Overall, the state's economy added 256,000 new jobs during the 1990s, a 24 percent growth rate, compared with a 20 percent national gain in the same period. Even when the economic slowdown set in and the recession finally hit in 2002 and 2003, Kansas lost jobs at a slower rate than the national economy did.

The objects of Frank's particular concern, his hometown of Shawnee and the rest of Johnson County, have done especially well. For three years in the 1990s, the Shawnee area's unemployment rate actually dipped below 3 percent, making it one of the tightest labor markets anywhere.

When the recession hit, Shawnee's unemployment rate did rise but still stayed below the national economy's. And though Frank describes the place as practically desolate, Shawnee's population grew by a robust 27 percent during the 1990s. Even more astonishing, today, only 3.3 percent of its citizens live below the poverty level, compared with about 12.5 percent nationally. “It's possible his view of us is outdated,” says Jim Martin, executive director of the Shawnee Economic Development Council, in classic midwestern understatement.

Regardless of Kansas's economic performance, Frank's main thesis—that people who are struggling economically should be voting as liberals, not conservatives—is dubious. As an editorial in the Wichita Eagle observed: “There's nothing wrong with many Kansans wanting to hold onto a little more of their paychecks . . . or preferring that when they need help it comes from their family, their church, their community—not an intrusive federal government.” But what's really astounding is that Frank, who offers little in the way of economic data, would base his argument on such blatant falsehoods. To Frank's liberal prejudices, something may be the matter with Kansas, but it's sure not its economy.

Jornal Nacional
written by Guest, March 15, 2005
Breaking News:
Hospitals in Rio de Janeiro did a Cientific break trhu for better service on the emergency room...From now on, they will not attend who gets there first in line but who really needs the most fast attention. The last two answer for the question about rio hospitals was..Is not portugal and No, is not a joke!
Steven Malanga
written by Guest, March 16, 2005
Belly Laugh! Your citation of a right-wing neocon hack like Steven Malanga of the ultraconservative Manhattan Institute is hilarious. It shows that you are a right wing activist! His writing misstates the "main thesis" of the book entirely. You haven't read the book, have you? But the critique of some whore for the Bush Administration gives you a big hard-on, and that's good enough. You are indeed a fool!
Manhattan Institute
written by Guest, March 16, 2005
The Manhattan Institute is a think tank that was started by Ronald Reagan's CIA director, William Casey. Immediately after WWII, Casey played a major role in bringing thousands of top Nazi scientists and SS intelligence officials to the US. Many of them became employees of the newly formed, CIA.

The company that patented and manufactured numerous pesticides in Germany, IG Farben, was a full partner with Rockefeller/Standard Oil before, during and since WWII. After the war, IG Farben was broken up into four companies that are now the world leaders in chemical and pharmaceutical manufacturing and research.

Rockefeller/Chase Bank is the main funder of the Manhattan Institute. Former Presidents Roosevelt and Truman considered the Rockefellers to be traitors to the U.S. who were actively aiding the Nazis throughout WWII. See The Secret War Against the Jews by Loftus and Aarons.

Among the key issues promoted by the Manhattan Institute, is a campaign to discredit 50 years of science demonstrating that pesticides, petroleum-based chemical pollution and pharmaceuticals manufactured by contemporary spin-offs of Standard Oil/Exxon and IG Farben are dangerous to human health and the environment.

Sounds like a great source of information, doesn't it?

George W. Bush publicly admits he gets virtually all of his policy "ideas" directly from the Manhattan Institute.
Well, Well Jornal nacional
written by Guest, March 16, 2005
Red pepper in someone ass, is refreshment for others!
Damn those Germans, they are the blame for all! They help US in going to space, they give them Einstein, A strong air industry..etc..Damn those Brazilians Jews , Brazilians trow they out of the country in 1700+ and they help Americans to build New York....I know what's the problem, why the USA get so much bad people..is the damn freedom! That's why Russia put a wall to keep those bad germans from coming to the East side!
order and progress?
written by Guest, March 16, 2005
is all you people do is bitch, you sound like a bunch of adolecent girls... getting back to the subject a 60% inport tax cant help matters much. if indistrys relly on imported goods how can they compete with pirates. all you end up with is cheep bad quality goods. which brazilain shops are full of. europe and usa get much more value for money. south americeans on the other hand are just ripping themselves off.
...
written by Guest, March 17, 2005
“is all you people do is bitch, you sound like a bunch of adolecent girls... getting back to the subject a 60% inport tax cant help matters much.”

This is about the only thing that appears to relate to this topic, and I think it’s a pretty fair assessment as well. I too sometimes prefer purchasing an illegal product, taking 40% (profit) from the creator of said product, and NOT GIVING 60% (BMW fund) to some corrupt official to spend irrationally, or just pocket.

no one seems to care how it affects the ability of our population to grow and develop. Until we start designing our own affordable software and computers, let’s get rid of this nuisance tax that places these much needed foreign products out of the financial reach of most Brasilians.

It won't solve all the pirating problems, but it could put a bit of a dent in the illegal soft-ware market - I think it would also make our population MORE tech-savvy (with more having access to hard and soft ware), and then hey, maybe we can then start to compete with the big boys.

Well, Well Jornal nacional
written by Guest, March 20, 2005
What are you on about? You're just too witty for me to understand.
Bush is the BEST
written by Guest, March 22, 2005
I Hate USA, that is why I love Bush, He is f**king the country,
LOLLLL
order and progress?
written by Guest, March 23, 2005
the girls are back again.......it must be easer and more profitable to avoid the tax if the tax were fair more people would pay more profits made more growth ect ect. but then this is brazil why make things easy, i mean if a lot more brazilians had afordable personal computers we would probley see a lot more constructive writting like the above comment.
What\'s the matter?
written by Guest, March 25, 2005
You don't like girls, I guess.
...
written by Guest, March 26, 2005
not when they winge and bitch like the ones above
Nah
written by Guest, March 27, 2005
It's pretty obvious, you just don't like girls.
...
written by Guest, March 28, 2005
well after 10 years married to one i must be doing somthing wrong then, any chane of getting an intelegent comment out of you? that would be intresting
I\'d say so
written by Guest, March 31, 2005
Yes, 10 years of denial must be very difficult.
Condolences
written by Guest, March 31, 2005
My condolences to your wife of the last 10 years.
...
written by Guest, April 07, 2005
im sure i said intelengent
Intelegent (sic)
written by Guest, April 08, 2005
If you spelled it correctly, just once, I'm sure I'd believe you. If you had anything intelligent to say, I'd return the favor. But you haven't, so I won't.
...
written by Guest, April 14, 2005
if your idea of intelengence is picking over spelling then im shure youd be happy with the latest post on 9/11. at the very lest you proved you can use a dictionary. as for commenting on the above subjet it seems you have nothing to offer. this seems the norm for this site. i feel sorry for the people that bother to write for brazzil.com knowing that it dosent matter about the subjet, the comments will always turn into a slagin match invoving race and who best. seems thats all brazilians are intrested in.
i spose thats order and progress for you.
join you i the next slaging match. and next time stick to the subject, youll get a lot more respect
No title thanks. No answers thanks.
written by Guest, May 01, 2005
Well well well, with all that arrogance, stupidity and a big no sense of the real world, they still can´t understand why peole hate their country and point aircrafts to their buildings. But i´m sure they aren´t all that stupid. I have nice friends in the USA that have working brains.

Open your eyes to the truth, don´t be manipulated as puppets!!
decadence with ellegance
written by Guest, May 07, 2006
US passed the top, now is only time to see it deep in the sea.
Other nations are becoming as much as important.
After WWII, the world commerce was 60% USA. Now is only 30%. The dolar does not worth the gold of Fort Knox......If the China wakes in bad humour, poor of USA...
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