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Multinationals Helped Brazil's Dictatorship Intimidate and Kill Workers PDF Print E-mail
2005 - May 2005
Written by Bill Van Auken   
Tuesday, 24 May 2005 13:06

Volkswagen bug fresh off the factory in BrazilMajor US and European corporations collaborated intimately with Latin American military dictatorships in the 1960s and 1970s, fingering militant workers for arrest, torture and often death, according to an article that appeared this week in the Brazilian daily O Globo.

Based on newly released secret police documents as well as the work of Brazilian historians, the article, written by Brazilian journalist José Casado, establishes that auto companies, including General Motors, Chrysler and Volkswagen, the Firestone tire company and other corporations routinely handed over lists of suspected union activists to the secret police and clandestine death squads.

This state-corporate repression was so effective in Brazil that none of the major companies registered a single strike in nine years - 1969 to 1978.

The resulting suppression of wages and benefits constituted the political foundation for the so-called "Brazilian miracle" of high profits and growth rates that came to an end with the onset of the debt crisis at the end of the 1970s.

The military came to power in Brazil through a 1964 coup orchestrated with the support of Washington and the CIA. By 1969, the regime had turned to intense repression, suspending habeas corpus and dragging thousands of people from their homes, workplaces and schools to be thrown into prison, tortured and summarily executed.

The foreign corporations welcomed this repression and sought to support it in every way possible. This was the period in which corporate donations funded "Operation Bandeirantes," a paramilitary secret police operation formed within the army.

The money was used to recruit operatives from within the different branches of the military and police in São Paulo, the country's industrial center, who were then used in hunting down, abducting and torturing suspected militants and leftists.

But the collaboration went well beyond mere financial support. In November 1969, the O Globo article recounts, representatives of Volkswagen, GM, Chrysler, Firestone, Philips and other companies met in São Paulo with the local chief of the secret police organization DOPS (Department of Political and Social Order) and a representative of the army. Their aim was to establish a permanent body to coordinate repression of Brazilian workers.

According to the meeting's minutes, the company representatives and the state security officials discussed "problems" in the factories and decided to establish a permanent office in the DOPS headquarters, which became known as the "Community Center."

This center became a clearinghouse for the victimization of workers in the factory, who in a number of cases subsequently "disappeared."

"The big companies recruited personnel from the armed forces and the police, and maintained spying operations against their employees in the factories and the unions," the article states.

"At Volkswagen and Chrysler, for example, they handed over lists of employees to the security agencies, sometimes together with their personnel files."

Spokesmen for the multinational corporations contacted by O Globo claimed ignorance of these arrangements. Volkswagen said it was "apolitical" and had always maintained "advanced" employee relations. Chrysler said it had no knowledge of the repression and "therefore we have no comment."

One participant in this state-corporate setup, however, was more open about it. "We were defending our businesses from the terrorists, from subversion," recalled Synesio de Oliveira, a representative of the Constanta group (a company that merged with Philips in 1998). "The plan was: if there was a suspicious case, we would communicate it to the community."

The dictatorship was itself keenly interested in spying on the working class, which it recognized as its most dangerous enemy. Under military rule, the government dictated salary increases, and its spies were told to carefully monitor reactions within the factories and the unions when these decrees were issued.

At the same time, by establishing corporatist control over the unions, the dictatorship was able to employ the dues check-off system as a sinister means of financing the repression.

Compulsory union dues at the time amounted to 20 percent of wages and were funneled into the Ministry of Labor. From there the funds went to buy equipment for the police, including patrol cars purchased from GM.

"It was said that the companies financed the death squads with the money taken out as union contributions," Almir Pazzianotto, who was a lawyer for the metalworkers union in Sao Paulo's ABC industrial belt in the 1970s, told O Globo. Pazzianotto became minister of labor after the fall of the dictatorship.

The article notes that the collaboration between the corporations and state repression was not limited to Brazil. In Argentina, where the military regime was even more murderous, thousands of workers were rounded up in the months following the 1976 coup.

It cites a 1978 cable from the US embassy in Buenos Aires reporting to Washington on the "great cooperation between management and the security agencies" and citing the general expectation among foreign companies that the repression would intensify "minimizing the risk of strikes in their industries."

In Argentina, companies like Mercedes Benz and Ford allowed their facilities to be used as clandestine detention centers, where workers singled out by management were imprisoned, tortured and killed, according to the article.

Apparently similar arrangements existed in Brazil. The article cites the testimony of a worker, Antonio Guerra, who wrote at the time, "There are elements from DOPS and SNI (National Intelligence Service) in different sections.... They have already set up prisons inside the factory itself. Other times they grab the worker and take him out of the factory, where DOPS or Oban (Operation Bandeirantes) is waiting for him."

From the mid-1960s on, the foreign companies, concerned with militancy in their workforces and emboldened by the support of the military regime, began beefing up their internal security arrangements. Those set up by Volkswagen, which then employed some 30,000 workers in Brazil, were considered a model by the other multinationals.

They were organized by a real specialist, Franz Paul Stangl. A Nazi fugitive, Stangl had served the Third Reich by running the death camps at Sobibor and Treblinka. After escaping to Brazil in the early 1950s, he spent 15 years working for VW there, before his past was exposed and he was extradited to Germany, where he died in prison.

He was later replaced by Adhemar Rudge, a Brazilian army colonel who was fluent in German. "We never had terrorists in the factories," Rudge told O Globo. "We prevented it, eventually with some sharing of information with the DOPS."

Despite its omnipresent and ferocious character, this system of anti-working class repression proved insufficient to hold back the militant strike wave that swept Brazil beginning in 1978, fatally undermining the dictatorship.

Originally published by the World Socialist Web site - http://www.wsws.org/articles/2005/may2005/lat-m24.shtml



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Multinationals
written by Guest, May 24, 2005
Tell us something we did'nt know!
Yes, what\'s knew.
written by Guest, May 25, 2005
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written by Guest, May 25, 2005
More freaking historical revisionism.
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written by Guest, May 25, 2005
You know this isn't right, no mention of AT&T. Everyone knows AT&T ruled South America!!!!

Morons.
The Wise One
written by Guest, May 25, 2005
The fact that this article was published by th World Socialist Web site speaks volumes toward its credibility. Everybody knows that some repression took place however, to what extent the multinational companies were involved is not known. People seem to forget that those who committed tortures and even assassinations were brazilians. It is easy to condemn foreigners specially in one sided article such as this one, but - remember - the executioners are citizens of your country and not foreigners. The blood stains are on your own hands. In fact I would like to know if there is ever any article based on the atrocities committed by the communists or socialists. Someone there should read about Goulag and so many others.
The Fallacious One
written by Guest, May 26, 2005
"The fact that this article was published by th World Socialist Web site speaks volumes toward its credibility."

Ah, the old argumentum ad hominem, followed by a little tu quoque ("you too"). Ignore the facts put before you, attack the person making the argument, using your own ignorant prejudices. Very effective.
Say what?!!
written by Guest, May 26, 2005
This article has way more credibilty than the U.S. allegations of WMD in Irak...We all also know of the School of Americas in FL, teaching the Latin America's military the intrincacies of the art of torture (CIA style...).
Willful Ignorance
written by Guest, May 26, 2005
Big Business and fascism have been linked together since the memory of man. Those of you who want to ignore that fact are truly puzzling, because I would hazzard a guess that you have no claim to even remote connection to such power, yet you are happy lickspittles of corporate power, greed, and fascism. The facts, the history, are all there for you to see. But you prefer to see no evil, hear no evil, and speak no evil.
Say What?!!
written by Guest, May 26, 2005
Don't worry, man. The guy who wrote trying to attack the article based on where it was published is just acting like someone who got majorly bitch slapped and has nothing to come back with. A complete dolt.
...
written by Guest, May 26, 2005
But nobody responded to what he said. It was Brazilians who did the killing. Why do Latin Americans never take responsibility for their own participation?
Whose fault?
written by Guest, May 26, 2005
The ones who need to take responsibility are the perpretators of such crimes, and not all of Latin America. Or you would like the victims to say sorry for being targeted? Please clarify...
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written by Guest, May 26, 2005
Of course theAmerican CIA was behind it. America is the most profit driven country on earth making sure that all so-called Third World countries provide her with sweatshop labor and anyone who tries to unionize workers will meet with instant death. America has always found people dumb and/or hungry enough to do her dirty.

America wants no competition and anyone who stands in the way of her profits will feel the wrath of her nuclear bombs and whatever else she has in her arsenal. As an American I can also say that America also screws her own workers trying to steal benefits and Social Security. Despite her wealth, America has millions of homeless, hungry and destitute walking her streets.

America leads the world in shyt stirring. Europe follows far behind.
Responsibility
written by Guest, May 26, 2005
"It was Brazilians who did the killing." And all who took part in it should be brought to justice, including the Brazilians who "did the killing."

"Why do Latin Americans never take responsibility for their own participation?" Hmm, like Pinochet? Yes, make sure he's punnished, along with the rest of the fascists, but please let's not forget to bring Kissinger to justice as well.
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written by Guest, May 26, 2005
Why is it Americans NEVER take responsiblity for THEIR participation?
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written by Guest, May 26, 2005
"Why is it Americans NEVER take responsiblity for THEIR participation?"
Because in some instances "their participation" is nothing more than an urban legend, like say, for instance in Brazil. Useful idiots would rather invent stories of black helicopters, than take a serious look at factual history, and their own role in it.

Brazil is a mess because of corrupt theiving brazilians, and is a violent hell hole because of violent Brazilians - however, it is much easier for them to blame WALMART or McDonalds.
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written by Guest, May 26, 2005
Why is Latin America never prosperous or stable? Not just Brazil, but virtually every other country. The answer is simple. But not very pleasant.

It is the culture. Blame whoever else you want, it will change nothing.

The problem with the Latin culture (both Spanish and Portuguese) is simply: "Rules are Optional." This is manifested from simple courtesies - such as not cutting in lines and obeying traffic laws, to corruption at the highest levels. If you don't like a rule, don't worry about it. It is only a suggestion and really meant for the other guy.

This behavior impacts the respect people have for others, other's property, their own society, even human life.

Amazing how the same people who leave that environment and emigrate become successful in other societies.

People who post here hover around the problem all the time. They complain of corruption and the frustrations of life in Brazil. Blame whoever makes you feel better, but it will not get better until you look in the mirror without a preconceived notion of how the world is.

Sorry..
Rules are Optional
written by Guest, May 26, 2005
Good post. Brazilians need to look at themselves and the failures of their own culture instead of always looking for someone outside to blame.
Re: Who\'s Fault
written by Guest, May 26, 2005
Latin Americans do not take responsibility for there own participation is similar to an american women who cheats on her husband and then claims that it was his fault! Where is the personal responsibility! What standards do you live by! What lines in the sand have you drawn! Do you have any honor! Are you just a reactionary puppet on a string that looks at someone and say's, "just because you did this I am going to do that!" Blaming someone else for you own cause and effect is nothing new. It is easier to say that someone else is responsible than to take a look in the mirror at you own miserable image! I now understand why God is going to destroy wicked men and women at Armageddon. There is no hope for some people! Most evil wicked people like being that way! As long as there are responsible good people in this world, the evil wicked people are going to pick them off like a cancer ravaging a body! This has happened since the earliest humans (Cain & Abel). I dont like the fact that you have a nice house, or a nice car, or beautiful wife & children, therfore I am going to kill you and take everything that you have! As long as people like this are around we will be talking lkie this in thses forums!
Responsibility
written by Guest, May 26, 2005
America or more specifically the policies of the Democratic and Republicans parrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrtieeeeeeeeeeeeees are knee deep into the turmoil that is Latin America. America has a political philosophy as mirrored by the Two political parties in charge of setting these policies. Latin America does not know what it wants to do! It is like a child that needs direction or it will kill itself! Other nations like Russia, China, Germany, etc have tried to come into Latin America and instill their political philosophies with little success because the USA (BIG DOG) sees what they are trying to do for what it is! A cancer that spreads! If Latin America is screwed up it is because of the leaders that are elected again and again and again! Shut your complaining mouths, go home and look in the mirror, then make a change beginning with YOU!
Wise One
written by Guest, May 26, 2005
The comment by some of the readers made about my comment shows clearly their ineptitude when it comes to understand what it was that I said. I did not attack the messenger as such only pointed out that the World Socialist Web site is totally bias and its article should have been taken with a grain of salt. My intent primarily was to point out that ultimately the executioners of whatever torture and or assassination that was carried out was executed by brazilians not americans and by their own wishes. As correctly pointed by several other readers the lack of desire to assume responsibility is a national disease. The corruption is rampant and the violence is horrific. All of those things are ignored in favor of a pseudo reality that blames all of the ills of Brazil and Latin American in the USA. One more point, among the best places to work in Brazil or elsewhere in Latin America is for the multinationals. They are the ones providing the best payment and the best benefits. Anything else is denial of reality. Without those companies brazilians would be starving by now. Wake up and look into your corrupt political history or into the political history of the countries behind the ex iron curtain. Look at the countries post WWII that suffered the american influence vis a vis the ones who suffered the Russian imposed leftist system. Look at Japan or Germany and so on and compare those countries to the bankrupt Soviet System. Wake up and take responsibility for a change.
Re: Wise One
written by Guest, May 26, 2005
Good Comment!
Re: Wise One
written by Guest, May 26, 2005
Good Comment!
Keep on looking...
written by Guest, May 26, 2005
Look at Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Hiroshima & Nagasaki. Keep looking and you'll see signs of the "righteousness americana" everywhere. Japanese Americans secluded in concentration camps in California during WWII. Wait...this must be socialist propaganda too...Get real!
Re: Wise One
written by Guest, May 26, 2005
Dumb comment!
Re: Wise One
written by Guest, May 26, 2005
Dumb comment!
Fallacious and Inept
written by Guest, May 26, 2005
"I did not attack the messenger as such only pointed out that the World Socialist Web site is totally bias and its article should have been taken with a grain of salt." No, it has everything to do with your ineptitude. Saying that the article is not credible becasue it was published in a socialist publication is exactly the fallacy that was being pointed out, o fallacious one.
Pop Psychology
written by Guest, May 26, 2005
It's Dr. Phil everybody, the pop psychologist, listen up folks. You need to "look into the mirror and start there." "Wake up and smell the coffee." "Own your problems." Avoid the "fashionable" criticism of others for your problems, those are "urban myths." What a complete ninny you are. Your pop psychology should be "taken with a grain of salt."
Responsibility
written by Guest, May 27, 2005
Putting the "urban myths" aside, certainly you know of documented instances where the US has illegally intruded in the affairs of other nations, right? I mean, can I assume that you are not a complete f**king idiot? Chile, Iran, Nicaragua ring any bells? Okay, so, tell me: Why is it that Americans NEVER take responsibility for their involvement? Wake up and take responsiblity! Stop being an apologist for illegal and/or unethical behavior that has in fact caused decades of problems throughout the world. Why are you not calling, for example, for the arrest and trial of Henry Kissinger? Don't talk to me about responsiblity. You don't know the meaning of the word.
America , land of the devil and salvatio
written by Guest, May 27, 2005
America, the whipping boy of the world. Easy to hate. But why when the chips are down, why do countries scream for aid from America? Brazilian's get your s**t together. Quit blaming outside influences for your corrupt politicos. Instead of letting your best and brightest "escape to the US", find a way to keep them home. Demand accountablity from your elected officials. Quit your whining, and take back your country!
...
written by Guest, May 27, 2005
Poor America…wahhh…whipping boy of the world…wahhh. Horses**t.

Quit your whining and shove your attitude up your fat American ass.
...
written by Guest, May 27, 2005
"But why when the chips are down, why do countries scream for aid from America?" Duh, because it's the wealthiest nation on earth? Unfortunately, it is easy to hate; you got that right, but not for the reasons you probably think.

If only he had used his powers for the good of mankind…
Collusion
written by Guest, May 27, 2005
These Brasilians are getting out of line again. It is time to get a s**t-list together to have them whacked. Need to show them who is in charge. Valeu rapaz!
...
written by Guest, May 27, 2005
Putting the "urban myths" aside, certainly you know of documented instances where the US has illegally intruded in the affairs of other nations, right?

You can read I take it? Or is it just a comprehension problem? The author of that blog talked only about Brazil. No wonder these discussions never go anywhere.
Wow
written by Guest, May 27, 2005
First I would like to applaud the fine demonstration of a dead philosophy, sofism. Do you treasure anything else other than winning the argument, ah the question that haunts us all.Let's take a dose cynical Sun Tzu realism, empires are conquered from within yadda yadda, so the Brazilian hands are bloody and stained, while the American War on Drugs is fought in Columbia, uhhh, capistalism, supply and demand, an offer you can't refuse, I wonder. Once I was reading a book with the temporary perpective of a Japanese general, describinga a pocker game with Americans, oviously the general lost, but his only indignation was losing to an intellectually inferior enemy. That is why everyone hates Americans and why most would prefer Japanese, Russian, or German rule over American rule, the world's very own cesspoll of Red Necks and Puritans.Brazilians are poor for the same reason Americans are hated, moral sanctions, while it is moral for Brazilians to be poor, it is moral for American to produce crap, and to go war in order to sell crap in name of democracy, of course moral sanctions are everywhere, but those are the only ones that appeal to my argument.
...
written by Guest, May 27, 2005
"Once I was reading a book" Congratulations. Don't give up there. There's a whole world of information for you to learn.
Wow!
written by Guest, May 27, 2005
Nice job at not answering the question. Why doesn't the US take responsibility for it's crimes? If pointing out the truth and your hypocracy is sophism, then I'm guilty. But we both know it's not. Rather, you are the sophist, with your pop psychology of "responsibility."

Yeah, you pontificated in your self-righteous way about the "typical Brazilian" supposedly blaming other people. Of course Brazilians have blood on their hands, dumbs**t. Who the f**k doesn't know that? There was a military dictatorship in power for decades that brutalized its citizens, particularly intellectuals. Brazil is dealing with the process of responsibility for those crimes. It's a difficult process. The military still has significant power in Brazil and only agreed to allow civilians take over management if they agreed not to delve into those past crimes. So it's a slow and difficult process for Brazilians. But I'm more confident that they will ultimately seek justice for their internal crimes that I am that we will see the US take responsibility for it's crimes committed outside its borders any time.

So, like I said, don't talk to me about responsibility, you pompous ass. You don't know the meaning of the word responsiblity.
PS
written by Guest, May 27, 2005
I reasoned that you are indeed a complete dumbs**t and didn't mean "sofism" which is another spelling for "sufism" which is "A refined mysticism among certain classes of Mohammedans, particularly in Persia, who hold to a kind of pantheism and practice extreme asceticism in their lives." And, of course, "sophism," which you meant to write, is not a philosophy at all, let alone a "dead philosophy," but rather "A doctrine or mode of reasoning practiced by a sophist; hence, any fallacy designed to deceive." That describes, of course, your inane reasoning. Hence, you are a sophist. Now go back to high school and present a show and tell about what you learned today, you complete jackass.
PPS
written by Guest, May 27, 2005
In addition to being a sophist, your writing is incomprehensible. I suppose by dropping Sun Tzu, who I'm sure you don't understand, claiming to have read a book "with the temporary perpective of a Japanese general, describinga a pocker game with Americans, oviously the general lost, but his only indignation was losing to an intellectually inferior enemy" (huh?), and being abstruse you are trying to come off like an intellectual. But you're not fooling anyone here. That may work with your high school mates, but not among adults.
the cia may have been behind it but.....
written by Guest, May 27, 2005
the cia may have been behind it but.....
written by Guest, May 27, 2005
who substained all the poverty and tyranny in brazil the ruling class
Sufism
written by Guest, May 27, 2005
Sufism is alive and well http://www.ias.org/
Wow
written by Guest, May 27, 2005
Haha, please argument your point instead of running my text on Micros**t word processor, and since I've read the book with that character only once, I'm entitled to use the word once, aren't I? While we're all guilty for the sins of our fathers, I was pointing out all the implications that lead to guilt, since I believe Brazilians are more self conscious of their sins than Americans. In this case, our sins can be linked to the petty bourgeoisie while the American sins are linked to the ruling bourgeoisie Let's drop the sophism, and muse together, otherwise this is mere provocation.
Denial
written by Guest, May 27, 2005
Why does the poster above want to deny that, "Major US and European corporations collaborated intimately with Latin American military dictatorships in the 1960s and 1970s, fingering militant workers for arrest, torture and often death"? That's a proven fact. You can preach your self-righteous "self-responsibility" theology to try to deflect this truth, but ultimately you fail, and you demonstrate what a hypocrite you are by failing to practice what you preach. Why not ask that US and European corporations (i.e., their responsible decision-makers) take responsibility for the crimes they participated in? I suppose you believe that slaves should not have spoken of the immorality of their slaveholders. The victim of rape should not condem the rapist. What an enormously ignorant fool you are. Like the person wrote above, you prefer to hear no evil, speak no evil, see no evil. You are a completely useless, pretentious, officious, and offensive person who has no moral standing to criticize Brazil or Brazilians or to offer your stupid advice.
to Denial
written by Guest, May 27, 2005
to whom are you referrring?
Wow
written by Guest, May 27, 2005
I'm sorry, I thought you were the person who wrote: "My intent primarily was to point out that ultimately the executioners of whatever torture and or assassination that was carried out was executed by brazilians not americans and by their own wishes. As correctly pointed by several other readers the lack of desire to assume responsibility is a national disease. The corruption is rampant and the violence is horrific. All of those things are ignored in favor of a pseudo reality that blames all of the ills of Brazil and Latin American in the USA. One more point, among the best places to work in Brazil or elsewhere in Latin America is for the multinationals. They are the ones providing the best payment and the best benefits. Anything else is denial of reality. Without those companies brazilians would be starving by now. Wake up and look into your [Brazilian] corrupt political history or into the political history of the countries behind the ex iron curtain." That is hardly an expression of your claimed belief that "Brazilians are more self conscious of their sins than Americans." Sounds more like an apology for or absolution of the sins of multinational corporations.

As for totally exposing your points for what they are, i.e., pop-psychology sophistry, I think I've done that absolutely and convincingly. Stop being a lickspittle apologist for the crimes of faceless multinational criminals.
Take your pick
written by Guest, May 27, 2005
"to whom are you referrring?"

Well, how about the person who wrote this inane statement:

"Everybody knows that some repression took place however, to what extent the multinational companies were involved is not known. People seem to forget that those who committed tortures and even assassinations were brazilians. It is easy to condemn foreigners specially in one sided article such as this one, but - remember - the executioners are citizens of your country and not foreigners. The blood stains are on your own hands."

Or this dolt:

"Why is Latin America never prosperous or stable? Not just Brazil, but virtually every other country. The answer is simple. But not very pleasant.

"It is the culture. Blame whoever else you want, it will change nothing.

"The problem with the Latin culture (both Spanish and Portuguese) is simply: 'Rules are Optional.' This is manifested from simple courtesies - such as not cutting in lines and obeying traffic laws, to corruption at the highest levels. If you don't like a rule, don't worry about it. It is only a suggestion and really meant for the other guy.

"This behavior impacts the respect people have for others, other's property, their own society, even human life.

"Amazing how the same people who leave that environment and emigrate become successful in other societies.

"People who post here hover around the problem all the time. They complain of corruption and the frustrations of life in Brazil. Blame whoever makes you feel better, but it will not get better until you look in the mirror without a preconceived notion of how the world is."

This dumbass:

"Brazilians need to look at themselves and the failures of their own culture instead of always looking for someone outside to blame."

Or maybe this idiot:

"More freaking historical revisionism."

Or could it be this knucklehead:

"My intent primarily was to point out that ultimately the executioners of whatever torture and or assassination that was carried out was executed by brazilians not americans and by their own wishes. As correctly pointed by several other readers the lack of desire to assume responsibility is a national disease. The corruption is rampant and the violence is horrific. All of those things are ignored in favor of a pseudo reality that blames all of the ills of Brazil and Latin American in the USA."
Wise One
written by Guest, May 27, 2005
It is amusing to see the type of reaction a comment provokes. The personal attacking rethoric of writers such as "Take your pick" and few others is nothing less than pathetic. It clearly shows the lack of arguing capabilities and an IQ equivalent that of an ape - albeit a smart one still an ape. Surely the US has made mistakes and has also being public for the most part. You need to understand that what you call mistake others call necessary steps to protect or even advance democracy. You should talk to people who lived under leftist rule and get a true feeling for what it is like not to have freedom. Don't confuse the interests of multinationals with government philosophy which - in a democracy - changes according to the party in control. That is what democracy is - the ability to elect officials that will carry out the promises of his party's political plataform. It changes from time to time otherwise it would be a monolithic system such as in the "advanced" North Korea or the countries dominated by the ex Soviet Union. Since we departed completely from the initial issue I will stop my comments, but not before apologizing for not using foul language and for not insulting people on a personal level, which seems to be the only recourse some of the writers have. The display of ignorance and lack of emotional control of these so called people - brainless bullies - is better placed elsewhere rather than in an intelligent forum.
Wise One
written by Guest, May 27, 2005
hehe. It's been shown that your arguments are completely fallacious, and yet you continue to argue them. "You need to understand that what you call mistake others call necessary steps to protect or even advance democracy." There you go again. What an apologist! What a condescending and ignorant statement. You're hopeless. That much you've proven.

Throwing your own words back at you to show what a complete fool you are is "pathetic"? Man are you lame.

"I will stop my comments, but not before apologizing for not using foul language" Boo-hoo! Crybaby. Not a moment too soon to stop posting your inane comments. Thanks. Now, go back to your office and suck your multinational corporate boss' c**k and whine about the "mean, foul mouthed" people who kicked your lame ass.
...
written by Guest, May 27, 2005
"Thanks. Now, go back to your office and suck your multinational corporate boss' c**k and whine about the "mean, foul mouthed" people who kicked your lame ass."

Wow, that was an intelligent addition to the board. Please don't hesitate to further bless us with your brilliant insight and witty sense of humor. ROFL For our Brasilian bretheren here who don't grasp the concept of sarcasm - I was actually taking the piss.
You are welcome
written by Guest, May 27, 2005
"Thanks. Now, go back to your office and suck your multinational corporate boss' c**k and whine about the "mean, foul mouthed" people who kicked your lame ass."

That's all you actually deserved in terms of a response, and it was clearly far more intelligent than your chicken-hearted, bird-brained posts. But, if you look at all the posts ripping you a new a*****e, anyone can see that you got a good, well deserved ass-whipping, which explains your pathetic appeal now to the audience's sense of pitty (argumentum ad misericordiam). Don't try to appeal now to "our Brazilian brethren," who you insulted with your pomposity and officiousness. You are indeed a sad sack, but no one is sympathizing with you.
...
written by Guest, May 27, 2005
"ROFL For our Brasilian bretheren here who don't grasp the concept of sarcasm - I was actually taking the piss."

But don't explain "ROTFL" or "taking the piss" to "our Brasilian brethren." Of course they might not get sarcasm, but your juvenile argot, no problem, right?

"Please don't hesitate to further bless us with your brilliant insight and witty sense of humor."

Thanks. I won't. But don't say you didn't ask for it!
Kids, kids
written by Guest, May 27, 2005
How about we quit the homophobic queer orgy, and go back to a meaningful topic...
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written by Guest, May 28, 2005
"That's all you actually deserved in terms of a response, and it was clearly far more intelligent than your chicken-hearted, bird-brained posts. But, if you look at all the posts ripping you a new a*****e"

Funny, that was my first post on this particular blog. Nice assumption.

Also, your evident lack of knowledge and experience here in Brasil SCREAMS "neophyte", for IF you had actually spent any time at all in Brasil you'd know that "sarcasm" isn't something found in any great quantities here. Yes, HERE.

So go back to your depressing one room loft in s**tsville, creaming yourself over the idea of living somewhere else for a change, and leave the discussion to people who are in the know. Your ignorance -- and more importantly your naivety -- show you to be a wanting pathetic SOB in search of a life. Stop being a left-leaning sycophant, the stick up your ass should be removed, if at least, to ease the pressure on that malfunctioning slob of gray matter you probably refer to as a brain.
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written by Guest, May 28, 2005
"IF you had actually spent any time at all in Brasil you'd know that 'sarcasm' isn't something found in any great quantities here. Yes, HERE." You've proven that. Not that you're Brasilian (clearly you're not), just that you're not too bright.
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written by Guest, May 28, 2005
PS My loft in shtiville has TWO rooms! And you're still an idiot. Cheers.
sem sarcasmo?
written by Guest, May 28, 2005
Talvéz a gente aí é chata demais. Todo mundo onde eu moro é intelegente e tem senso humor bão! Sim, onde EU MORO.
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written by Guest, May 28, 2005
Back on topic is there enough evidence to sue the companies, arrest x-ceo´s (brasilian or gringo..)

Crimes have been comitted justice should be had
Amazed
written by Guest, May 28, 2005
Can't believe the amount of crap you pseudo intelligencies are dishing out. Brazilians suck!!!! Cry babies who think that swearing makes them taugh guys. Insulting someone's comment without having the intellectual ability to understand it is not only stupid but also cowardly. If americans are doing the name calling they should pack up and leave the greatest country on the face of the earth the USA. Those make believe tough jerks writing and insulting should take their micro penises and micro brains and join some other forum. The losers forum.
Amazed
written by Guest, May 28, 2005
Oh, toughen up, for Christ's sake. Americans are supposed to be tough, right? Why are you being such a wimp? Using corse language, even badly, is far superior to the nationalistic, anti-intellectual, and un-funny gibberish you just posted. You know, if you really live in "the greatest country on the face of the earth," you don't have to say it. Pride is the deadliest of the deadly sins, you know. Do you really want to go to hell? And are you so insecure that you need to engage in such rediculous chest-pounding? Or to put it in terms you might understand better, is YOUR penis that small? It seems so.
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written by Guest, May 28, 2005
"that was my first post on this particular blog"

Mentiiiiira deeeeleeee.
Amazed, Baffled, Confounded
written by Guest, May 28, 2005
"pseudo intelligencies"

hehehe…Spoken like a TRUE "intelligeny"! (Did I get the singular of that righ? I'm only a pseudo intelligency.)
intelligencies
written by Guest, May 28, 2005
Thanks for setting us straight, Mr. Bush smilies/wink.gif Got to love the "plain-spoken" American. Now, don't go "nucular" on me. That there was a complementary.
The \"high road\"
written by Guest, May 28, 2005
"pseudo intelligencies"
"Brazilians suck!!!!"
"Cry babies"
"not only stupid but also cowardly"
"make believe tough jerks"
"micro penises and micro brains"
"losers"

Thanks for showing us the high road.
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written by Guest, May 28, 2005
Desculpe-me, mas sou brasileiro pobre e ignorante. É sarcasmo, né?
Amazed
written by Guest, May 28, 2005
The correction made to my sarcastic and acerbic remark "pseudo intelligencies" obviously passed way above the understanding level of the idiot who corrected it and of the one who seconded it. As to the jab at President Bush's lack of vernacular ability it is just one more sign of pity humor you guys insist on displaying. You "frustrated ladies" not only lost the election - twice - which must have caused your brains to shrink to the size of the miniscule sense of humor you have demonstrated - but also lost the ability to maintain a dialogue with any degree of intelligence. You all suck big time. The only sign on humor and wit I found in this forum is in the remark made by Amazed, Baffled, Confounded - it was subtle and showed that there is still hope however small.
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written by Guest, May 28, 2005
Actually, it is precisely Bush's vernacular "ability" that is so hilarious. The guy's a riot. Sorry, but it's true. He's also a complete embarassment and a disaster. Other than that, he's okay.

Anyway, thanks for the humor critique. Very subtle and witty. Now that we know that you go for subtle humor, maybe we'll please you more…Nah…Just kidding. It was awful!
Amazed, too
written by Guest, May 28, 2005
"The correction made to my sarcastic and acerbic remark 'pseudo intelligencies' obviously passed way above the understanding level of the idiot who corrected it and of the one who seconded it." What? That is an incomprehensible sentence. They're coming at you so fast, you don't know which way to turn, do you?

So, do you mean that the correction was beyond the understanding of the person who corrected the malaprop? I think not.

The "one who seconded it"? Seconded your malaprop? Or maybe seconded the correction? Neither person exists.

"sarcastic and acerbic"? Well, I don't find the same irony in your malaprop that you see, that's true. As for acerbic, well, it was "acid in temper, mood, or tone," but very much a dud.

"pity humor"? What is that? Humor that is designed to invoke pity? I don't see that either. Your post, however, does appear to be a plea for pity. How sad.

"frustrated ladies" (internal quotes omitted)? I suppose this is meant to be some sort of insult, or perhaps "pity humor." Misogyny is always a hoot, equating weakness and intellectual inferiority with women. I can understand the pride you have for your sense of humor. (THAT was sarcastic.)

"You all suck big time." Channeling Dick "Big Time" Cheney there? Or maybe just displaying your tremendously large sense of humor?

"The only sign on humor and wit I found in this forum is in the remark made by Amazed, Baffled, Confounded - it was subtle and showed that there is still hope however small." You can't imagine how proud that must make the author of the post. Really. By the way, didn't you notice that that WAS the person who corrected your amusing malaprop whom you referred to as "the idiot"? Maybe, you're just being subtly sarcastic and acerbic again, you sly dog.

I, too, am amazed that you keep trying to pawn yourself off as some sort of superior intellect, when you are clearly a ninny.
Amazed once again
written by Guest, May 28, 2005
No no no, I am not trying to "pawn" myself as a superior intellect at all. That would be pedantic in extreme and you don't quite deserve it. Besides you would not understand it and to insult someone beneath insult is an exercize in futility. I am sugesting however, that the issue at hand should be discussed in an intelligent format without insults. A writer expressed his opinion and was attacked by foul mouth bullies - one of them being you. There is no dialogue worth having when the reply is a misplaced insult. Another writer - ironically - thanked me for showing the high road, indeed the criticism was accepted and deserved but to deal with insults - likely from teen punks - makes it difficult to act differently. I bid you all farewell leaving - well some of you anyway - in the intelectual cesspool where you belong. TaTa
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written by Guest, May 28, 2005
Amazed once again, quite the petulant slut arent we!
Pardon?
written by Guest, May 29, 2005
"foul mouth bullies - one of them being you" Me? Eu? Why, I have yet to utter an obscenity. But, I will oblige, if you insist. Like I said, foul language is much prefered over knee-jerk, brain-dead, jingoism or just plain bulls**t.
Coarse, sure
written by Guest, May 29, 2005
I, on the other hand, did use a bit of blue language. However, it was well placed and well deserved. No apologies. Felt right. I’d do it again. I don’t suffer fools too long. Nevertheless, only the most prudish and pious would seriously catergorize such use as "foul mouthed." You must be a real priss.
Reality Check
written by Guest, May 29, 2005
A guy above made the comment that the US is "the greatest country on earth." Americans have been fed the line so much that many don't think anymore and just parrot it back. But I just read an editorial that hits the nail on the head: "When did the U.S. become Brazil?" In it the author points out:

"IT is stunning to see the Wall Street Journal and The New York Times simultaneously devote a series to the American class divide. The Journal reported last Friday, 'Despite the widespread belief that the U.S. remains a more mobile society than Europe, economists and sociologists say that in recent decades the typical child starting out in poverty in continental Europe or in Canada has had a better chance at prosperity.'

"In an echo, the Times wrote virtually the same thing, adding that in America, a child's economic background is a better predictor of school performance than in Denmark, the Netherlands or France. The best that could be said was that class mobility in the United States is "not as low as in developing countries like Brazil, where escape from poverty is so difficult that the lower class is all but frozen in place.'"

The author also astutely points out the egregious conservative ideology that keeps people from questioning policies, like "responsibility" and "class warfare," which we see mindlessly parroted in the Brazzil.com comments so often:

"It is obvious that Americans believed that none of the inequalities long endured by the poor (because it's all their fault, right?) would seep into our lives. We were wrong . . . It is no wonder why politicians who protect the wealthy scream 'class warfare' every time someone talks about inequity. It is a diversion to keep those who vote against their own interests from realizing they are victims of friendly fire."

Have a read, it's right on the money. http://www.whittierdailynews.c...1,00.html#
pseudo intelectuals...
written by Guest, May 29, 2005
As a proud pseudo intelectual, I would like to know what makes one a de facto intelectual. The term pseudo intelectuals is only used to put down the prideful, who doesn't hide behind simpleton language and ideas, those who don't pretend to be ignorant in order to shock and awe with flashes of inteligence.Is this merely a sophist tactic? 90% of the time, the posts that follow mine, pick on spelling, then grammar, then they label the post as nonsense, and label me as a pseudo intelectual.How can one be an intelectual living in world were all pretend to be ignorant, waiting for the right time to crush your petty spirit? So please enlighten this young Brazilian pseudo intelectual.
Re: pseudo intellectuals…
written by Guest, May 29, 2005
You're either an intellectual or not. Those who fancy themselves as intellectuals, for example, by using "big words" incorrectly, or by relying on some dumbed-down book on a complex subject that is written by an ideological hack, or spouting pop-psychology, without demonstrating any critical thinking abilities, without demonstrating intellectual curiosity, demonstrate that they are pseudo intellectuals. They have no intellectual curiosity, lack an open mind, or lack the ability to think and read critically. Your typical one trick pony, like someone who thinks everything in the world is determined by “character,” or someone who reduces everything to “supply and demand,” might be a false intellectual or is just plain ignorant.

Someone above referred to pseudo Christians. Well, that person was obviously pointing out the hypocrisy of those purport to be Christian, but do not follow the teachings of Jesus. They chose to ignore teachings that are inconvenient to them or do not fit within their political ideology. Same concept. Such people are false Christians.

As for correcting grammar and spelling, that is only appropriate at limited times. For example, when someone is criticizing others’ intelligence by using an amusing malapropism like "pseudo intellegencies," and proceeds to further criticize the intelligence of people by himself using horrid grammar and syntax, THAT'S an appropriate time to slam that person’s spelling and grammar. They deserve it. If one is going to insult someone’s intelligence, he should make damn sure he can spell and write within minimum standards of competence. Otherwise, I say let it go. Everyone makes typos and grammatical errors, particularly in a forum of bilingual readers. Resort to such picayune criticism is the tactic of a small mind, EXCEPT in the above circumstances where it is entirely appropriate to deflate as pseudo intellectual ass.

Now, whether you are indeed posting nonsense and are demonstrating the qualities of a pseudo intellectual, I can't say. I don't claim to be an intellectual. I can only live my life in the best way I know how.

In the words of the late philosopher Paul Ricoeur, "If I had to lay out my vision of the world ... I would say: given the place where I was born, the culture I received, what I read, what I learned (and) what I thought about, there exists for me a result that constitutes, here and now, the best thing to do."
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written by Guest, May 29, 2005
1. You've proven that. Not that you're Brasilian (clearly you're not), just that you're not too bright.

2. PS My loft in shtiville has TWO rooms! And you're still an idiot. Cheers.

Nice comebacks, and you have the audacity to judge anyone's intellect? Pelo amor do Deus. ROFL
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written by Guest, May 29, 2005
"Talvéz a gente aí é chata demais. Todo mundo onde eu moro é intelegente e tem senso humor bão!"

That could be construed as sarcasm, I guess. However, reading the text without the benefit of seeing your mannerisms, I would call it an out and out LIE. muuuhooohhaaaaa hhaaaaa Good humor? Intelligence in Brazil? You guys are killing me.
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written by Guest, May 29, 2005
"You guys are killing me." Don't we wish.
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written by Guest, May 29, 2005
Damn, thanks for posting those again! They were good. And thanks for proving that you're an even bigger idiot than we already thoght. ROTFLMAO!
Re: Re: pseudo intellectuals…
written by Guest, May 29, 2005
As someone at first glace reasonable, could you please judge my posts? Guess I could use the criticism at my age, and love for inflamatory writing.

First I would like to applaud the fine demonstration of a dead philosophy, sofism. Do you treasure anything else other than winning the argument, ah the question that haunts us all.Let's take a dose cynical Sun Tzu realism, empires are conquered from within yadda yadda, so the Brazilian hands are bloody and stained, while the American War on Drugs is fought in Columbia, uhhh, capistalism, supply and demand, an offer you can't refuse, I wonder. Once I was reading a book with the temporary perpective of a Japanese general, describinga a pocker game with Americans, oviously the general lost, but his only indignation was losing to an intellectually inferior enemy. That is why everyone hates Americans and why most would prefer Japanese, Russian, or German rule over American rule, the world's very own cesspoll of Red Necks and Puritans.Brazilians are poor for the same reason Americans are hated, moral sanctions, while it is moral for Brazilians to be poor, it is moral for American to produce crap, and to go war in order to sell crap in name of democracy, of course moral sanctions are everywhere, but those are the only ones that appeal to my argument.

Haha, please argument your point instead of running my text on Micros**t word processor, and since I've read the book with that character only once, I'm entitled to use the word once, aren't I? While we're all guilty for the sins of our fathers, I was pointing out all the implications that lead to guilt, since I believe Brazilians are more self conscious of their sins than Americans. In this case, our sins can be linked to the petty bourgeoisie while the American sins are linked to the ruling bourgeoisie Let's drop the sophism, and muse together, otherwise this is mere provocation.
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written by Guest, May 29, 2005
They're fine, just grammar problems. Understandable enough. Easy enough to avoid over time. Looking back at the posts, it appears that you didn't desrve the criticism you got. It probably wasn't immediately clear what side you were taking or what you were trying to say exactly when you jumped in there. Your posts were unfortunately confused, I think, with other people's posts and got caught up in the crossfire. Forget about it. Keep on jumping in there and roll with the punches. They're only words. You obviously are intelligent enough to have gotten this far with two languages.
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written by Guest, May 29, 2005
You were confued with someone else. Look back and you'll see this in response to your second post:

"I'm sorry, I thought you were the person who wrote: 'My intent primarily was to point out that ultimately the executioners of whatever torture and or assassination that was carried out was executed by brazilians not americans and by their own wishes. As correctly pointed by several other readers the lack of desire to assume responsibility is a national disease. The corruption is rampant and the violence is horrific. All of those things are ignored in favor of a pseudo reality that blames all of the ills of Brazil and Latin American in the USA. One more point, among the best places to work in Brazil or elsewhere in Latin America is for the multinationals. They are the ones providing the best payment and the best benefits. Anything else is denial of reality. Without those companies brazilians would be starving by now. Wake up and look into your [Brazilian] corrupt political history or into the political history of the countries behind the ex iron curtain." That is hardly an expression of your claimed belief that "Brazilians are more self conscious of their sins than Americans.' Sounds more like an apology for or absolution of the sins of multinational corporations."

But that wasn't you. So, forget about it. A case of misidentification.
ohh...
written by Guest, May 29, 2005
I'm sorry if I'm hinting being offended, which I probably could only pretend to be smilies/smiley.gif, obviouly complete dominance of multiple languages is unattainable, that is just the method of writing I identify with(we the rebels to the butchering of language through the process of grammatication). Still I would like some constructive criticism on what I wrote.
ohh…
written by Guest, May 29, 2005
"Still I would like some constructive criticism on what I wrote." Perhaps you can elaborate on your reference to "moral sanctions," which seems to be the focus of your argument.
Moral sanctions....
written by Guest, May 31, 2005
I'm not entirely sure where I picked up that term, although I often like to use it. I usually relate it to the cruzades, you can kill Islamic individuals since they aren't christian, or indians since they are savages, or cattle, since you need the food, you may kill in self defense, etc...
Americans Rule!
written by Guest, June 01, 2005
Just accept this fact.. and get on with your life!!

I wonder how many of you own/possess American products and technology? I'm betting you all do... and probably couldn't go without them
Acceptance
written by Guest, June 01, 2005
The "products and technology" you crow about comes from China, fool!

You are the typical numbskull who takes US "superiority" for granted. Born into privilege, but you act as though you earned it. You don't even realize that your leaders are selling you down the pike. Oh, well, you'll have to accept that some day… I just hope it happens before they've sold off too much of the country.
Curious One
written by Guest, June 01, 2005
I took the time to read all comments with the intent to find out if the issue at hand was discussed and some light shed on the different points of view. I was amazed to see a complete distortion from the beginning, going from a valid opinion, thru empty insults, to a complete confusion as to whom wrote what which provoked other comments based on further misundertandings. The subject in question is quite interesting and lends itself to various and conflicting opinions based on cultural background as well as the type of influence the person has had or even bias perceptions promoted by a bias media. It is too bad that such an interesting subject became secondary to temper tandrums and gratuitous insults.
Curious One
written by Guest, June 01, 2005
That's the way it goes on message boards, man. Get used to it.
Curious One
written by Guest, June 01, 2005
Glad you can appreciate our little sadistic love and hate relationship, which is quite curious indeed. One might infer it's a cross between pride pity and envy within both parties, each with a twisted perspective. The forum here are usually quite interesting, I wonder what happens in orkut.
Acceptance - China?
written by Guest, June 02, 2005
Chinese products and technology?? Come on... they certainly manufacture many American products... but as far as innovation? China? Not!!

Again you've proven you're ignorance. To imply that all Americans are "Born into privilege" ?? Just underscores your ignorance. A typical American is hard working, law abiding, God fearing person, that is fortunate enough to have the country with the infrastructure in Education, Banks, etc... in order for its citizens to have a good quality life. The fact that illegal immigration into the US from all parts of the world increases almost daily just underscores this... people know here, in the USA, if you work hard, you can go far.
So typical, unfortunately
written by Guest, June 02, 2005
Immigrants certainly know, but citizens born here in the US, no. Natural born Americans are, indeed, born into privilege (i.e., born in the most powerful nation on earth), and that makes them behave arrogantly and dumbly. Look, I'm an American, so I'm not "ignorant" as far as knowing the American mindset. I'm not going to disagree with your "hard working, law abiding, God fearing" characterization. That's not the point. The point is that Americans take US superiority for granted.

There's a mythology about US dominance in the world, which is that it came about because of some inherent superiority of America. Many people here (I'd say the "typical" American) don't understand the history, the economics, and the just plain dumb luck that got us where we are. That kind of mythology leads to arrogance and leads us to a foreign policy that is actually believed by many to be benevolent, but is in reality obnoxious. Americans tend to believe that the only thing wrong with other countries is that they're not just like us. If only they followed the US model, they'd be as prosperous as the US. That is the arrogant and ignorant attitude of the narrow mind.

Your comments lead me to believe your a typical American, with your rote, knee-jerk recitation of "American values," as though no one else in the world is as hard working, law abiding, and God fearing as the US citizen, which is patently ridiculous, except to the American mind inculcated and deluded with the American mythology.

Your belief that the US is the only place where technological innovation occurs, and that places like China are just monkey see monkey do sweat shops for the US is equally in keeping with your “typical” American ignorance about the rest of the world and your arrogance with your position of privilege in the world. Yes, Americans will say they feel "fortunate," but that translates, unfortunately, into the kind of arrogance and ignorance I've described above, when they should be humble and generous. Instead, they crow about how great the US is, though the typical American has done nothing to make it great, but just had the fortune to be born there. Most Americans don't even get off their lazy asses to vote. After bragging on the greatness of the US, the typical American proceeds, no matter how uneducated and uninformed he is, to pontificate about how other nations should conduct themselves. He assumes he knows best, because he's an American, after all.

I would like to see my fellow, typical Americans show some humility, true generosity, and intellectual cuiosity toward other nations. Get off your high horses. Be the people we claim to be, as good as we like to think we are, as good as we can be.

Your first post is a perfect example of what I think is odious in American thinking. I'll quote your egregious comment, just to remind you and everyone esle what an ass you are:

"Americans Rule!

"Just accept this fact.. and get on with your life!!

"I wonder how many of you own/possess American products and technology? I'm betting you all do... and probably couldn't go without them"

I coudn't have made up a better example of a genuinely awful, arrogant, ignorant, materialistic, ugly American if I had tried. You, the typical American! What a shining example. How nice. How humble. How Christian. How embarassing.
the truth
written by Guest, June 02, 2005
the next century will be ruled by the power.New allegiances betwen countries will start.like in the animal planet all mankind is animal we need to feed,drink,travel,a job,land,water,and all world population is increasing year after year we all need natural resources,and the countryes with natural resources will take the power not by arms but with food and water,like today is with the petroleum,but the south america isnt midle- east the tecnology is great but in reality the only tecnologie the south americans need is military to maintain their sovereign and defeat #preventive wars#against some oil producer in south america like in iraq,dont be fooled if you think one countrie is sovereign against united states today,because the big troubles of the world today is small troubles but simply bigs,remember we are all animals we need to maintain our lifestyle,we need water,oxigen and like in the animal planet wen we dont have something essential to survive we taken by guns or by our hands,it is in our genetics ,or because wath you think we have armys?now the americans all of us south centre or north ameicans we have a cronology of 5 centurys and despite some foolish guys we dont need in south america and in centre america to be all smarts,only our leaders have some blood on veins to see and think about the reality see the world and realy think about the begining of the century and wath they will doing for their people not because hes honest or because others things but because hes one of the tribe,we never can loose our countries,because we are animals and if we not realy make the diference in th world balance in the next century i will be ashamed in 2050 in see south america dominated by others countries and think if we could have make the diference wen we could.i personaly in brasil think i doing the diference if you read this letter
Born into priveledge?
written by Guest, June 02, 2005
That's horse s**t... the fact that Americans, native born, does not have similar problems as someone born in a different country does not make them priveledged. Fortunate? maybe.. but not priveledged. Part of the beauty of living in a free society with a government that protects its citizens is that you don't need to worry about problems in other parts of the world if you choose. In reference to voting... voting is a right we have as citizens, we have the freedom to excercise that right if we chose or not... Freedom to chose is key. If you chose to help other countries by giving your money or volunteering for the Peace Corps, Red Cross... etc... that is your prorogative. But you have no right to tell anyone else what to do!! I myself give/donate money to charities in Brazil.. but that's because I choose to. Americans are a very giving people and I disagree with you on this whole-heartedly! I just don't think the American government shouldn't be giving my tax dollars to charities or other sovereign states. That is not why we pay taxes.

Stop your whining about what other Americans do or don't do. Do what you want with your money, time, and education... for the good of the world.. if you choose of course... but, again... you have no right to tell Americans that they have to be like you.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In Brazil, for the most part, people vote because they get fined if they don't... in my opinion.. that isn't freedom. Other countries... like Cuba there is a high percentage of the population that vote because if they don't again fined or in some cases worse... is that what we need to do here? Make all Americans vote?
Born into \"priveledge\"
written by Guest, June 03, 2005
Done foaming at the mouth? I guess I hit a nerve.

You don't feel privileged to live in the US? Wow. Okay.

I see. You don't think the US should use its wealth to assist less fortunate people of the world. Well, that makes you a very selfish person in my estimation. You probably consider yourself a Christian too.

The fact that in the US one is free not to vote doesn't change the fact that people who don't vote are just plain lazy. For you, though, even that is a virtue. The right to be lazy, the right to be selfish…how "beautiful."

Actually, I have begun to think that requiring people to vote in the US might not be such a bad idea. You're required to pay taxes, right?…Oh, wait, you are against that too. Never mind.

We have very different views. I consider your views to be really quite odious. Of course, you have the right to hold such ugly views. You have that privilege…oh, sorry, fortune.

On the other hand, according to you, I "have no right to tell Americans that they have to be like you.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" Wow, that's a lot of exclamation points! Actually, I do have the right. Freedom of speech is a right I feel extremely privileged to have. You see, I do feel privileged to live in the US, and I feel that with privilege comes responsibility. But, then again, that's a right in the most cherished document in the US, our Constitution (which, interestingly enough, says nothing about the rights you are proclaiming), so I wouldn't expect you to know much about it.

Yes, we have very different views. I do think you are fortunate to have been born in the US, because nowhere else in the world could you have such a lazy mind as yours and also have enough money to own a computer and have an account with an ISP.
It\'s called Freedom..
written by Guest, June 03, 2005
So your America would imprison "Lazy" people? Punish those that don't vote... and class all those that don't vote as "Lazy"... I wasn't born into priveledge... my parents are not Americans... they migrated like many do... through legal means by the way. I was fortunate enought to be born here. What you're whining about may be some done sides to freedom... you can't outlaw ignorance and laziness... For the Goverment and anyone to take the money I earned.. my money and redistribute it in my name... is in my book stealing and socialism (France and Germany are 2 good reasons why socialism doesn't work). My parents were poor and worked hard to earn a living (not lazy). I too worked hard my whole life.. and now I'm able to earn an excellent income. With what I do with MY money is my business afterall it's my money. I do give to charities and causes that I support... neither you nor the Government should steal my money and give it to something or someone that I don't support because you think you know better...

Freedom is a beautiful thing!!! Unfortunately, it means we need to put up with peaople like you... that "think" they know what's best.
You\'re an imbecile…
written by Guest, June 03, 2005
"So your America would imprison ‘Lazy’ people?"

Now, did I say that anywhere in my post? Of course not. You really are an imbecile.

"For the Goverment and anyone to take the money I earned.. my money and redistribute it in my name... is in my book stealing and socialism . . . neither you nor the Government should steal my money and give it to something or someone that I don't support because you think you know better...Freedom is a beautiful thing!!! Unfortunately, it means we need to put up with peaople like you... that ‘think’ they know what's best."

As opposed to you who think knows what’s best? Ever heard of democracy? Taxation is stealing? Decision-making of our elected officials that you disagree with is stealing? If your post is an example of the kind of thinking American high school civics courses are creating, America is really f**ked. On the other hand, I think the truth is that you are an imbecile. I might as well talk to the wall. Have a nice day.
Reality
written by Guest, June 18, 2005
Bush recently apologized to Eastern Europe for letting the Soviets take control of their countires after WWII. There was no apoligies to Latin Ameirca or the Middle East when it came time America backed their Dictatorships. While Brazilains must take resposibilty for aking their country back, it is very easy to understand that the people of all these regions, only had to hear America tell the Dictatorships that they must have open elections to all people. Torture would not be acepted and free speech is a right to all people. Instead America lay silent, because the the dictatorships were pro-american.This is a reality we have to accept and make right today. We can not change the past, but we can shpae the future.
Look in the mirror?
written by Anne, July 20, 2007
Remember that Brazil it's a country where people are not political educated. I'ts easy to say look in the mirror, but the population can NOT see the problem. Brazilian people don't put their children education in the first place, they are blinded by "beautiful" soup operas and magazines, where everything is perfect.
Brazilian-Portuguese feudal system ... and the European import of biofuels
written by Coenraad, July 22, 2007
The Brazilian-Portuguese feudal system are still very active. With the EU-chair-hiolder Portugal (jly - december 2007) Portugal wants teh Eu to import lagre amounts of biofuel from Brazil. The biofuel-item is placed high on the EU-agenda.... To make matters worse, the Brazilian-Portuguese feudal ssytem is silencing all the critisism upon conflicts of Amazone forrest, Amazone indians, food for biofuel and so on. ... It is even strange that Portugal, a country which does not produce any significant amounts of biofuel.... is placing biofuel on the EU-agenda..(10% biofuel in 2020). Well, their feudal possessions are from Lissabon way down deep in the Amazone... When the pope visisted Brasil, the Amazone-indians were not allowed to speak with the pope... for these indians were forwarding their conflict with the Portuguese-Brasilian feudals... to make matters worse... the BBC, the voice of Europe in England.... was silienced about this pope-Amazone-indians-Portuguese-Brazilian-feudal-problem by an abduction of a 3 year old toddler.... www.madeleinemccann.co.uk
Wait a minute, guys.
written by Yep, Brazilian, December 06, 2007
What the hell? It does not have to be only one's fault. My country's culture, i admit, has this "rules are breakable" thing, which i dislike. But it does not mean it is all our fault. And this things americans did to help the dictatorship also don't mean it is all your fault. But you can't neglect the things your companies and government did. It is a fact that U.S.A does everything it can to stay on power and let latin america the way it is: poor, but rich enough to pay. But, really, i desagree with this "Rules are breakable, lets kill people". That's a lie. The violence in Brazil is not caused by a constant desire to break rules, we are not a constant riot. What causes violence in Brazil is the poverty. The poverty is caused by corruption and, there you go, corruption is caused by "breaking rules is allright". But the politicians here have no rule to break at all, our justice is pathetic and it needs to change right now. But don't you dare to say we are 100% guilty of what happened. The ones that killed and tortured during the dictatorship were not the majority, they were few people who had power. Power granted by that coup and the "little" american help. Our dictatorship, if anyone did not know, was CAPITALIST. And that's a good reason for america to keep it that way: "They are capitalist, they buy our stuff and we get richer. Oh, wait, there are people dieing. Whatever". Is it a coincidence all those dictatorships in latin america at the same time? We have our guilt, and a big part of it, but since the start of colonizations, latin america has only been f**ked up by spanions, portuguese, brits, americans and a big part of the first world. But it is a fact that latin america, specially Brazil, Mexico, Chile and Argentina, is growing stronger. Slowly, but stronger.
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written by Yep, Brazilian, December 06, 2007
Oh, and anne, shut up. We DO put our children education in first place. That's the reason we all complain (And, what makes me angry, still don
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written by Yep, Brazilian, December 06, 2007
't do anything). The problem is, who can build schools? The government. And our government is just the dirtiest piece of crap. No matter if there is a good guy there, there will always be some f**ker stealing money from health, education or anything like that.

That's why the best schools in brazil are the private schools. They are expensive, yes they are, but they have good education and ANY middle class, rich, and some poors may have a particular education. I'll not complain about your crazy vision of Brazilians as zombies or something like that. Say what you want, i have my prejudices about americans too.
(PS: Accidentally pressed enter)

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