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We've Tried the Rest. How About a Messiah Now for President of Brazil? PDF Print E-mail
2005 - July 2005
Written by Carlos Chagas   
Tuesday, 12 July 2005 21:21

Former Brazilian President Jânio Quadros, a lunaticBrazil has had in modern times citizens of the most varied tendencies occupying the presidency. It had a nationalistic civilian dictator (Getúlio Vargas), a developmentist (Juscelino Kubitschek), a lunatic (Jânio Quadros), a populist leader (João Goulart).

It also had several military dictators (Castelo Branco, Costa e Silva, Garrastazu Médici, Ernesto Geisel and João Figueiredo), a politician (José Sarney), an irresponsible (Fernando Collor), an intellectual (Fernando Henrique Cardoso) and now an union leader (Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva).

Almost all the doctrinaire and political models were attempted, but none of them solved once and for all the serious social and economic matters that ravage us. Au contraire, the difficulties only become bigger.

Getúlio advanced in the social realm, Jango also tried but didn't get any place. Juscelino implanted the development bases, but his achievements started to be corroded by Jânio.

The generals kept the sovereignty, but banned freedom. Sarney behaved as a classical politician, neither meat nor fish, and Collor revealed the saddest side in the category.

FHC alienated the public patrimony, opened wide the doors for speculators and ruled for the top floor.

After so many frustrations, hopes turned to Lula. The devil is that the promises of change he made were not kept. Everything stayed the same, with the aggravating circumstances that corruption has reached unimaginable levels.

Faced with this, in one of his demolishing speeches, expressing the national conscience, senator Pedro Simon asked if we are going to try now the messianic experience.

All we need is a religious fanatic to start a political campaign proclaiming that God ordered that we vote for him. In this case, we'd all kneel and intone hallelujah songs, during the political rallies, fearful of the hellfire, that he himself will dispense.

This is an experience we haven't had yet...

Without Answer

A pronouncement that caught the Senate's attentions, on these Fridays that have already become traditional as center of political attention, was the one made by senator Cristovam Buarque, from Brasília's PT.

Brasília's former-governor preached about the urgency of creating a new PT, having in mind the failure of the current party. Otherwise, he said, pretty soon we will not have any PT at all.

The corruption accusations involving illustrious figures of the party, plus the campaign promises not kept by Lula, make the situation critical. The PT risks disappearing if it does not change, Cristovam added.

With regard to "mensalões" (the big monthlies), said the senator, that money used to buy votes opposing any changes, besides being immoral is innocuous.

The Brasília senator was referring to the charges that deputies from the PP, PL and PTB received 30,000 reais (about US$ 12,000) a month to vote in favor of projects committed to the preservation of the social, political and economic status quo. Or to abstain from voting in projects involving big changes.

He was scathing in the analysis of his party's behavior. He sustained that the PT from São Paulo treats the companions of other states as mere satellites.

They have a restricted vision, as if Brazil fit in the space between the ABC region of São Paulo and Paulista Avenue in downtown São Paulo.

He called for more energy from the PT, hoping that it stops putting so much effort into São Paulo's internal disputes and starts thinking more about the whole country.

The curious in this impassionate speech by Cristovam Buarque is that there was no reply from any petista (PT member) from São Paulo. Or any other state for that matter.

Lists

A day doesn't go by in Congress, without the surfacing of lists guessing who will be sacked for involvement in the "mensalões".

You cannot name names, because among other things you run the risk of committing injustices, but what can be heard in the House is that Roberto Jefferson will be sacked.

In the other hand, as a counterpart to the beheading rumors that circulate like wind through the congressional aisles say that there will be compensation: José Dirceu (House representative and former Chief of Staff) would also lose his mandate. There are others: leaders of the PL, PP and PTB. The names most mentioned by the press.

Do they want to stifle the scandal sacrificing just a few, when the mensalão was distributed to 60 or more congressmen? This hypothesis would make the demoralization of the Legislative even worse.

It will not be easy to sack so many, but if the accusations are true this is the only medicine that will work. And nobody dare to say that it is impossible to identify all of them, because each one walking to the scaffolding will not fail to suggest the name of others...

Carlos Chagas writes for the Rio's daily Tribuna da Imprensa and is a representative of the Brazilian Press Association, in Brasília. He welcomes your comments at carloschagas@hotmail.com.

Translated by Arlindo Silva.



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Never tried
written by Guest, July 13, 2005
Brazil has never tried free enterprise and limited Government with low taxes!
Re: Never tried
written by Guest, July 13, 2005
The fanatic above calls for the god of the free market. Just like the article says: "All we need is a religious fanatic to start a political campaign proclaiming that God ordered that we vote for him. In this case, we'd all kneel and intone hallelujah songs, during the political rallies, fearful of the hellfire, that he himself will dispense." Ask a foolish question, get a foolish answer.
We already tried
written by Guest, July 13, 2005
We already tried a lot of "messiahs", that is, magical solutions for Brazil's problems. The latest ones were exactly Collor and Lula.

It's time to give up magic.
I WILL BE BACK
written by Guest, July 13, 2005
I WILL SAVE BRAZIL. I WILL CLEAN THE HILLS, I WILL SEND THE MISERABLE FROM THE SLUMS TO COUNTRY SIDE. RIO DE JANEIRO WILL BE A PARADISE. RIO TIETE WILL BE CLEAN AGAIN, SINCE THE INDUSTRY WILL MOVE OUT OR START BY THE WAY ENVIRONMENTAL STANDARDS.
PROSTITUTE WILL BE ARRESTED AS SEX SOLICITOR. GAYS WILL BE SENT TO RECUPERATION. DRUGS ADDICT AND TRAFICANTS WILL DIE IN THE SPOT.
PEOPLE WILL START TO SLEEP WITH WINDOWS OPEN. I WILL SAVE BRAZIL
DO NOT WORRY, STUDENT WILL STUDY, PROFESSORS AND TEACHERS WILL TEACH AND WORKERS WILL WORK.
PRISIONERS ARE GOING TO WORK IN THE SAN FRANSISCO RIVER NEW WAY TO NORTH EAST WITH SHOVELS. DEATH PENALTY TO WHOM DARE TO ESCAPE.
I WILL SAVE BRAZIL RICH MEN WILL STOP TO MAKE BANDIDS WITH POOR WOMEN. THE LABOR LAWS FROM THE FACIST GETULIO VARGAS WILL BE BANNED AND A NEW ERA WILL BEGIN.
...
written by Guest, July 13, 2005
You're a loony…
It is not a matter of trying a new presi
written by Guest, July 13, 2005
We've got so used to corruption in all levels of Brazilian society that we don't know what to do when people change and demand actions against fraud,nepotism,money laundring, tax evasion,etc. Daslu's owner in SP has been arrested ( refer to recent Christian Monitor's article), she probably won't do time, she would be our wanna-be Martha Stuart, but at least is a begginning of a new attitude in Brazil. This is progress! It is a not a single president that would make a miracle. As citizens, we should educate ourselves on democracy! "Folha de Sao Paulo", as a news organization, is doing its part. Just ( if you can read in Portuguese)log on to www.dimenstein.com.br. Great stuff! Thanks
...
written by Guest, July 13, 2005
You will just "IMPALE" him like the jews and Romans did to Christ!
...
written by Guest, July 13, 2005
Re: Never tried
written by Guest, July 13, 2005
Exactly what I had in mind. Brazil never really tried minimal government with low taxes. Politicians were always the ones conducting development down here... no room for free enterprise, for the ones who happen to get a little bit rich with those practices have to pay taxes to finance their competitors.
Ha Ha funny
written by Guest, July 13, 2005
As you read this article you laugh, until you realize it's true. Look how Bush used religion to help steal the election in the U.S. Pathetic.
IF
written by Guest, July 13, 2005
If someone wants really fix Brazil. This person will be murder. It is not easy. Everybody learned to live with corruption. In a Country when 11 years old girls are doing oral sex in men in the 40's. How we can fix it? and I am not talking about poor street girls, even from high midle class are doing that. I saw such behaviour since 30 years ago.
It is very sad what is going on with PT party. It was the party of the educated people in Brazil, now everyday we hear corruption involving PT party.
If you are reading what I am writing, and you put the finger in your mout and count more than 20 naturals teeth. I am sure, you are the one that does not want any changes in Brazil.

So, lets to enjoy it, bring another beer.
Doesn\'t matter who\'s in charge
written by Guest, July 13, 2005
Brazil will always be third world. Please prove me wrong. Name one city in Brazil up to first world statndards( tolerable in terms of crime,pollution,poverty,developement). Maybe Ciritiba on a good day.
Re: Doesn\'t matter who\'s in charge
written by Guest, July 13, 2005
I am born in Curitiba, and live here since then, with a few moments of exception. And I am proud of being a southener. But I guess you are being too optimistic. This is a damn third world and already the third most violent in the most violent nation in the world. Guess much of this was imported from the north, but... doesn't matter. Brazil is a problematic country and until something else happens, Curitiba is still a brazilian city.
...
written by Guest, July 13, 2005
There doesn't seem to be a lot of optimisim here lately. Some of the above posts reflect what I hear on the streets. There was even a poll conducted that most Brasilieros aren't surprised in the least with the latest series of unfolding scandals. For them, it is "normal politics". I guess there is no room for growth when the only reaction is a shrugged shoulder, a hum and a haw, roll your eyes and say "well, that is just how it works here".

"Brasil is the country of the future, and always will be."
Re: Doesn\'t matter who\'s in charge
written by Guest, July 13, 2005
To the moron that wrote:

"Brazil will always be third world. Please prove me wrong. Name one city in Brazil up to first world statndards( tolerable in terms of crime,pollution,poverty,developement). Maybe Ciritiba on a good day. "

Well, well... you must be a doctor in History to contemplate us with such a pearl of wisdom. The classification of countries into 1st, 2nd and 3rd World is outdated and stoped making sense 20 years ago. Nowadays there are only developed and underdeveloped countries.
And how on Earth can anybody say that Brazil (or whatever country) will ALWAYS be anything?? 60 years ago Germany was destroyed and more miserable than many african countries. Today it is the World's 3rd richest nation. 4 centuries ago Spain was the global superpower. Guess what, it fell. And so did the British Empire after them. Before the 15th century Portugal was nothing. On the following two centuries it conquered half the Planet. In the Middle Age what was Japan? Nowadays it is the World second richest nation. How was China important a hundred years ago? Today it horrifies the American Empire.
Now, tell me, how on Earth can anybody say that the World's 5th largest country in territory, which extremely rich soil, and nature, plenty of natural resources, the largest water reserve will ALWAYS (always!) be anything??
Seriously... your thesis makes so much sense I think you should publish it in a History magazine.
Geez, it's unbelieable the amount of jerks who nothing about Geography, History or anything about anything at all and come to this website to vomit these stupid comments.
As to developed Brazilian cities, look for Águas de São Pedro (SP), Porto Alegre (RS), Campo Grande (MT) and Campos do Jordão (SP). There are others too.
Country of the future!
written by Guest, July 13, 2005
Brazilians like the ones posting here like to complain rather than do something for the country. To expect politicians to be pure and honest without a strong "watcheye" by society at large is the same as expecting politicians not to be humans. These posters want politicians to be their fathers - a type of sadistic/masochistic colonialism tendency that Gilberto Freire talks about. They want to elect their representatives, I think they would rather not even bother to elect anyone - so they have someone "at the top" with ultimate power over them providing easy "bread and circus" solutions for the poor of mind. They don't want to bother with the hard work of democracy. Corruption is not something we can eliminate completely but we can prevent and control it. We need to close our huge social/economic gap, educate our youth, provide job opportunities for those who want to work ( the astronomical number of applicants for Rio's street "cleaners” (garis) jobs only testify to the fact that people want to work!).I see much more good than bad. For those who want to believe that Brazil is the country of the future, you should just leave the country or if you are abroad, don't go back there. We don't need this type of fake patriotism!

You are right
written by Guest, July 13, 2005
India, today is one of the Ten (10) wealthy country in the World. The problem is only one. Brazilian people come here with imature brains, they are less than 35 years old. They only know to complain.I lived in the USA, Canada and other Countries. I saw poverty, violence and corruption. We always think, the other side of the fence the grass is greener. We developed the criticism and we do not know how to stop.
In North America jobs gone with the wind to Mexico, India and China. Europa is not doing better in the economic field than the USA. America is buying goods from undeveloping countries and they are using money borrow from such countries to buy such goods. I want to see what will happen when it is necessary to pay the bill.
It is easy to come here and talk bad about Brazil or any country. We live for thousands of years gathering food, 300 years ago, we started to change the way of living with the Industrial Revolution. In 100 years we started to travel faster with train, cars, airplanes. Now, the world is shorter with the internet revolution.
So far, we do not have time to analyze such changes in our life. It is easy to complain and compare. However, it is hard to make money. The white man conquered the other civilizations 500 years ago because they had 3 main advantagessmilies/cheesy.gifISEASES, STEEL AND GUNS. They first contaminated other groups with flu, smallpox, and other diseases. Then, it was easy use the steel sword and the gun to kill and destroy other civilizations. It is ironic, now China is producing a lot steel, and we wonder about chicken flu. Perhaps, we westerns still need to learn a lot. China has today the power to have an army of 200 million soldiers and control the world. Then, we are going to work our land to send the raw material which they need.
It is time to wake up, become more mature and see the life with other eyes. If we have violence in Brazil. DO NOT FORGET THAT IN GENERAL MIDDLE, HIGH MIDDLE AND HIGH CLASS USE TO HAVE SEX WITH POOR WOMEN IN BRAZIL. THEY MADE THE BAD GUYS. BASTARDS IN GENERAL GO BACK TO THE FATHER HOME TO GET HIS OR HER SHEAR DURING AFTER HOURS.
We have what we deserve. Take care everybody.
Get real
written by Guest, July 13, 2005
First world,third world,developed,underdeveloped, who gives a s**t what you call it. Brazil needs a miracle, and they are in short supply. All this "history" is nice, sure let's hope ( we got lots of that )in 50 or 75 years, Brazil is on top of the world, and the US is a has been. Your grandkids will be proud. Yea right. Brazilians get angry, but their anger does them no good. Look at India and China, turning out quality engineers by the boatload, and putting their people to work, what does Brazil do, burn another hectare in the Amazon to plant soy. That's the ticket to prosperity. Give me a break. Let's all move to Campos do Jordão, and drink beer, LMAO.
Get real
written by Guest, July 13, 2005
You must be a real expert. Take notes everyone! An expert among us!
Yeah…get real
written by Guest, July 13, 2005
An armchair economist and political scientist. We're all really listening to YOU…hahaha What a joke. Get real yourself, fool.
Brazil still a feudo
written by Guest, July 13, 2005
Feudalism still alife in Brazil. The Lord has the right to have free sex with the cooker, the maid, the baby sitter and also with the daughter of the driver, the gardner and so on. Then, we have an army of bastards in the Country. Such people will see their half brothers and sisters living a life that they can not afford, therefore we have the social violence. See the movie the house of the spirits, this movie shows clear such behaviour and the result of it.
Dumb and Dumber
written by Guest, July 14, 2005
"You must be a real expert. Take notes everyone! An expert among us!"

"An armchair economist and political scientist. We're all really listening to YOU…hahaha What a joke. Get real yourself, fool."

What are you guys brothers? No, must be the same idiot trying to pretend he's do different idiots. The only thing I'm an expert on is calling a spade a spade, and you my lost one are clueless. That you can take notes on.
...
written by Guest, July 14, 2005
Oooo, I guess we stung him on those posts! The truth hurts, doen't it, fool. You're no expert, except at being the fool. Get real, numbnuts.
...
written by Guest, July 14, 2005
Ha! Not only an "expert," but a regular Sherlock Holmes…rsrsrs…You pathetic idiot.
Re: Get real
written by Guest, July 14, 2005
Brazil does not need more engineers. If it were to produce more, they would be unemployed. It's as simple as that!
And China and India do not posess 10% of the amount of rich soil for agriculture that Brazil posesses. That's whay Brazil plantas a lot of soy, sugarcane, or whatever, and China and India don't.
I won't even bother to answer "Brazil still a feudo". Anyone who has actually been to the country will laugh a lot and will understand the bitter intention such post.
Re: Get real
written by Guest, July 14, 2005
Brazil does not need more engineers. If it were to produce more, they would be unemployed. It's as simple as that!
And China and India do not posess 10% of the amount of rich soil for agriculture that Brazil posesses. That's why Brazil plantas a lot of soy, sugarcane, or whatever, and China and India don't.
I won't even bother to answer "Brazil still a feudo". Anyone who has actually been to the country will laugh a lot and will understand the bitter intention such post.
A SEXUAL m******r
written by Guest, July 14, 2005
I won't even bother to answer "Brazil still a feudo". Anyone who has actually been to the country will laugh a lot and will understand the bitter intention such post.
...
written by Guest, July 14, 2005
Re: Get real

Brazil does need engineers, as well as doctors, as well as educators and everything else that requires a synapse or three. Cities and towns in the North are in dire need for qualified, professional and educated workers. They just don’t exist.

If you want to keep your lazy asses planting soy instead of developing new technologies be my guest. Rather than settling on being 20 years behind the times, you'll push yourselves a full century back behind the rest of the world in short order.

I have been to Brazil and traveled there extensively, and in many ways you can use the "feudal system" as a comparison for how some states and small cities are run. The fact you deny this, proves you have not left the Jardims in SP.
...
written by Guest, July 14, 2005
Feudalism still alife in Brazil. The Lord has the right to have free sex with the cooker, the maid, the baby sitter and also with the daughter of the driver, the gardner and so on. Then, we have an army of bastards in the Country. Such people will see their half brothers and sisters living a life that they can not afford, therefore we have the social violence. See the movie the house of the spirits, this movie shows clear such behaviour and the result of it.
Brazils lost engineers
written by Guest, July 14, 2005
"Brazil does not need more engineers. If it were to produce more, they would be unemployed."

That's right, the good ones that there are, typically go to other countries ( the US in particular ). Now lot's of Chinese and Indian engineers come to the US as well to improve education & skills, then many return home to better their own countries. How many Brazilians engineers go to the US , then return home? What does that say about Brazil? Is that something to be proud of? Maybe they should have become farmers instead, then they could have stayed at home. Farming is either highly automated, or those who work the fields are little better than peons. It is Feudalism. How pathetic. Those too stubborn or ignorant to realize that can't be helped in any event.
Re: Get real (Really!)
written by Guest, July 14, 2005
We do need engineers, doctors, and scientists and highly qualified technical people. The fact we have difficulties should not scare us. We should learn how to beat the odds and fight adversities. We need people who believe and not losers.

Brazil already is a country with a large economy (looks the numbers!) although it is not rich enough or the distribution of goods is not done correctly either way we need to get together to fix the problem and not to despair.

In Brazil we need all the scandals we can get and all the crises and then see all the corrupted politicians and their partners exposed by the press and media until things get done right. They should be put to shame.

Someone once said that a government is made of Judiciary, Executive and Legislative power plus the press (or media). That is true.

That is it. What is happening to Brazil now is not more corruption it is merely more exposure of the old corruption system we have for decades thanks to free press now. Let the scandals roll, we will learn from it. Sooner or latter the people will get it.

By the way, forgive my optimism and I like to the idea of death penalty for hard core criminals.

Sergio
There is only one solution
written by Guest, July 14, 2005
There should be two countries. One in the south and the other in the rest of Brazil. I don't know what would be of them, but we would certainly be better off. It's that simple.
...
written by Guest, July 14, 2005
Voce comeu bosta quando era pequeno. Todo mundo se junta, e tem gente ainda no Brasil que sonha com separatismo. Nao tem nada para fazer vai enfiar sabugo no cu.
...
written by Guest, July 14, 2005
Melhor falar em portugues mesmo, ninguem aqui tem um ingles que presta !
Education
written by Guest, July 14, 2005
Well, folks having been to Brazil and now live there...But I am puzzled... Why are computers cheaper in the UK than in Brazil? It doesn't make sense, if the younger generation are going to compete in the market place for jobs as regards technology they need computer skills. If such technology is kept out of reach from the masses by taxing Computer products how will they learn?. What is the future going to be like for the poor?
Poverty in South of Brazil
written by Guest, July 15, 2005
Few minutes ago, I was watching on TV a program in the WNED - PBS about poverty in Rio Grande do Sul state in Brazil. A man called Fabio Rosa has some projects to send electricity to poor people in the state and this way improving the life of the Gaucho in the country side. Therefore, avoid that the man from the field move to the slums from the big cities.
Then, I started to think how difficult is to change the mind of people. Sometimes they are there in the middle of no where and thinking that nobody care about their lands. Globalization changed the world and now if you do not have knowledge of technology, you are going to be slaver from other countries working in the fields, planting rice, soya beans and corn. And then, there are some people thinking about separation. This is good for USA that they have already the foot in the Paraguay.

Fabio Rosa is a charismatic, charming Gaucho -- a guitar-playing cowboy with the energy and vision of a corporate titan who is determined to bring electricity and new farming opportunities to millions of rural Brazilians, allowing them to enjoy sustainable livelihoods while preserving the environment for future generations.
Rosa first came to the Brazilian state of Rio Grande Do Sol in the early 1980s, when much of the rural population lived without electricity because they could not afford the installation costs. He saw that by using a single wire system instead of the ususal three wire he could bring affordable electricity to most the people in the region and create a model for bringing it to all Brazilians and people of other countries.
Rosa's first effort in the countryside outside the town of Palmeras was wildly successful — bringing hundreds of families electric powered pumps, refrigerators and lights for the first time in their lives. Rosa spread his idea to thousands of families, and eventually to more than half a million Brazilians. But in the late 1990s, the electricity industry in Brazil was privatized and the new owners weren't interested in pursuing his model because the profit margins in the countryside were too low. So Rosa came up with a new plan to rent solar power equipment to villagers who live in the most remote areas of Brazil.
At times, Rosa has felt like a modern-day Sisyphus, constantly pushing the his boulder uphill only to have it roll down to the bottom, forcing him to take up the challenge again from the beginning. In a number of cases, he has come up with a new idea to serve poor families, poured his life into building that idea, managed to realize his vision successfully at an impressive scale — only to be thwarted from further success by bureaucratic forces beyond his control, often by the very government agencies that have failed to meet the needs that Rosa is addressing. But, after twenty three years, he is not prepared to give up the fight. Perhaps, it is because it gives him so much joy to work they way he does.
He says, "I am trying to build a little part of the world in which I would like to live. And even if my inspiration is romantic, I require material results, a re-colored reality and so my projects are practical, doable work. Creating these projects, implementing them and succeeding, witnessing one's dreams come true, is my version of happiness."
Recently, in one of Rosa's most unexpected victories, the Brazilian government announced it will use his single wire model to bring electricity to millions of Brazilians.
Fabio Rosa founded both a for-profit corporation -- Agroelectric System of Appropriate Technology (STA) -- and a not-for-profit organization -- the Institute for Development of Natural Energy and Sustainability (IDEAAS).
Through STA and IDEAAS, Rosa has been working to bring electricity and community development to rural Brazil since the early 1980s using a combination of non-profit and business approaches to reach the largest possible number of people, including the very poor. IDEAAS creates and demonstrates models of self-sustainable development for low-income rural populations by focusing on the use of high-efficiency and low-cost technologies in the fields of renewable energy and agricultural science. STA has been one of the leading companies in Brazil spreading the use of solar energy and managed grazing systems.
Rosa first floated the idea of renting solar equipment in a village in southern Brazil called Encruzilhada, a poor area where many of homes are so remote that they have little hope of being connected to the electric "grid" anytime in the foreseeable future. His biggest challenges weren't technical; they were overcoming people's beliefs that solar energy was unreliable and unaffordable, and then developing cost-effective systems to serve many customers who pay only tiny amounts each month for their electricity. Moving forward, Rosa now identifies leaders in each community to who help him convince people their neighbors that renting solar energy will benefit them, and will cost no more than they are already paying for candles, batteries and lamp oil.
At least 600 families in the region have joined his program. It is a slow process, but Rosa sees Encruzilhada as an essential first step toward his ultimate goal of demonstrating how to reach the 2 billion people worldwide who still live without electricity.
His mantra: "First Encruzilhada, then Brazil, then the world. But first Encruzilhada."


Brazil is too strong as a state
written by Guest, July 15, 2005
The brazilian state is too big and too powerful. Being so vast, doesn't represent their people. Splitting up would be much better. A few weak states is what people here need. If there is some need for defense, a federation or confederation should do it. There is no more reason to the existence of Brazil. In fact, the brazilian state is a great danger to the entire South America.
So
written by Guest, July 15, 2005
Let's go to divide Canada and the USA first.
Re: Get real
written by Guest, July 15, 2005
"Brazil does need engineers, as well as doctors, as well as educators and everything else that requires a synapse or three."

I said Brazil doesn't need MORE (can you read M-O-R-E?) engineers. Then the son of a bitch above answers me spinning it, as if I have stated that Brazil does not need engineers (ludicrous!) and adds doctors and educators to that account. Beautiful!
What I meant when I said that is: Brazil has plenty of engineering (or medicine, or whatever) colleges. The solution is not making more of these, just because China and India are doing it and because some jackass at Brazil Mag says so.
Brazil is indeed very different from India and China. Just look at these countries Histories and especially their demographics. Take a look at how much engineers per capita each country has. China and India do need to expand this their number of engineers. Brazil does not. Brazilian economy is not growing at extremely high rate as China's and Indias, THEREFORE, too many engineers would have nowhere to work. "Turning out quality engineers by the boatload" is a consequence of great economical expansion AND NOT THE CAUSE OF IT! And it is very naive to think otherwise. Because if you have a stationary economic growth, these hords of engineers that you propose Brazil invests on will end up under the bridge in Brazil or will go work and live abroad, because they won't find their place inside the country. This is so obvious! And good to show just how much the people here love to point out simplistic solutions for Brazil's problems just because they read somewhere that India or China are doing it. Wake up! These countries are waaaay to different (even China and India among themselves are). They cannot be all thrown into the same basket.

"If you want to keep your lazy asses planting soy instead of developing new technologies be my guest. Rather than settling on being 20 years behind the times, you'll push yourselves a full century back behind the rest of the world in short order."

Here again I see a lot of naivity and ignorance. You are simply suggesting that agriculture-based economy is an inferior form of economy and that technology cannot go together with it. It just so happens that they do walk together and Brazil, not by a mere chance, happens to be one of the world's pioneers in agriculture related technology. And, what's worse: that if Brazil (or other poor countries) wants to get rich, they should just stop planting soil/cotton/corn/rice/beans/whatever and invest on technology (electronic and computer technology I bet is what you were thinking!). This is precisely what a Hollywood movies watching idiot would propose. If Brazil and the countries like Brazil were to stop or even diminish agriculture, who the hell would feed the world?? People would just starve to death. The morning cereals you eat in the morning are not produced in high tech labs and do not come from space.
The world's population grows quickly and there's desperate need for these grains. Also, the "first world"'s industries would fall appart without the goods they import from the "third world" (?) and transforme into industrialized products.
The whole international system would just collapse, including and especially the rich countries in Europe, North Ameria plus Japan. Because there would no longer be complementaridade (complementarity?) between the two poles of the world.
There is an international order and International Labour Division (you should have learned it in high school) estabilished. It is supported by the rich countries military, economical and political powers. They keep it, because without it they could'n ever possibly sustain the lifestyles they are engaged in.
Countries like Brazil are encouraged to fulfill their role of matéria-prima (prime material?) suppliers. Otherwise the global capitalist system would collapse.
The problem with most people here is that they haven't studied. They think the perfect world would be when every single nation in the world will have reached the same development level as Japan, North America, Australia and Eastern Europe.
Do a simple research... take eastern europe and japan, put them together in a bubble and isolate from Africa, Asia and Latin America. These countries would completely fall appart. Now do the same imaginary experiment isolating African coutries.. they would fall appart just as well.
Don't you get it? Poor countries are NECESSARY.
continuing...
written by Guest, July 15, 2005
And so are rich countries.
If you take Brazil and, say, Japan and isolate thm hypothetically from the rest of the world, they won't fall apart. Brazil will provide Japan with what it needs (agrarian products, cheap labour, land, water, iron etc) and Japan would provide Brazil with credit, invesments, computers, pokemon, animes, funny robots and tomagotchis.
The people who like to post here have a colorful butterfly vison of the World. "Our countries are developed! If only Africa, Lat Am and Asia were to develop themselves too.. then the world would be perfect, there would be no hunger! But I guess the reason why they never seem to catch up with us is because of their backwards mentality and corrupt and incompetent politicians... poor them!"
It's almost like Mariah Carey "I want to be as skinny as those kids who starved to death in Somalia, only without those flies and stuf" hehehehe
India Doctor
written by Guest, July 15, 2005
- Eye surgeries 10 times faster and better than Americans.
- A pair of lens was $150.00, they find a way to make the same par of lens for $10,00 and even make a profit.

Aurolab's products are used by eye care institutions and ophthalmologists in more than 120 countries. The factory produces hundreds of thousands of lenses each year — 10 percent of the world supply — at $5.00 a pair. The company turns a profit of thirty percent on its investment. With the revenue stream produced by Aurolab, Dr. V. has been able to open five new eye hospitals in southern India.

Through Aravind Eye Hospital and Aurolab, Dr. V. and David Green have performed what might as well be miracles for elderly Indians living in remote villages. Restoring their sight and hearing has given them back their dignity and allowed them to contribute to their communities again.


Scientists and engineers
written by Guest, July 15, 2005
Scientists and researchers are the backbone of knowledge-based economies. Without them we would not have the worldwide web or many other advances we take for granted in our lives, from healthcare to food safety, even engineering feats such as power stations or the Channel Tunnel. Now ageing, but also the fact that science seems to have become an increasingly unpopular subject with students, have raised fears that we could run of scientists.

Yet, as business and governments invest in research and development (R&D), demand for researchers in areas such as information technology (IT) and biotechnology continues to expand. The number of researchers in OECD countries rose from 2.4 million in 1990 to 3.4 million in 2000, a 42% increase, and demand is still expanding – the EU estimates it will need 700,000 new researchers to meet its commitment to increase investment in R&D to 3% of GDP by 2010. The US National Science Foundation projects that some 2.2 million new jobs in science and engineering will be created over 2000-2010, especially in computer-related occupations. In Japan the University Council predicted in 1998 that demand for masters students would exceed supply by 2010.

But where will all these new scientists and researchers come from? A recent UK government report bemoaned a 16% drop in enrolment in chemistry and 7% drop in enrolment in physics and engineering between 1995 and 2000. Meanwhile, countries such as Australia and Italy worry about replacing the large numbers of “baby boomer” faculty staff when they retire; some 70% of full professors and 35% of all science staff in Italian universities are over 50. Indeed, meeting the demand for scientific talent is so high on government agendas that it will be a central issue for discussion by science and research ministers from OECD countries as well from China, Israel, Russia and South Africa when they meet in Paris on 29-30 January 2004.

Foreign talent?
written by Guest, July 15, 2005
Many people predicting a shortage of scientists cite the growing share of foreigners among science and engineering graduates. It is true that foreign students make up an important share of the S&E population in several OECD countries, particularly in the US where NSF data show that more than a third of all PhD degrees in science and engineering, and almost half (47%) of all doctorates in mathematics and computer science are awarded to foreign students. The number of US citizen doctorate graduates in science and engineering increased or remained stable from the late 1980s through to the late 1990s, so shortfalls were occurring probably because demand was driving the increase, not because national supply was shrinking.

Foreign supply may well fill gaps, but it is not certain this will always be the case. Recent data show a drop in foreign enrolment and graduates in the US, as students from India and China, which produces a fifth of the world’s supply of PhD graduates in science and engineering, increasingly find educational opportunities in other OECD countries, such as Australia and the UK. They may even be staying at home. In addition, data on holders of temporary visas for high tech workers and of which universities were among the top recruiters, show a drop in petitions since the downturn in the US economy in 2001 and greater scrutiny in the aftermath of 11 September 2001.

Perhaps the central issue behind concerns about shortages of scientists in OECD countries is the realisation that the growth of OECD economies depends on investments in knowledge, including an ample supply of scientists and engineers, and a perception that young people are either less interested in science than before and/or less academically equipped to pursue research careers. Such perceptions are reinforced by news such as a 2001 NSF public opinion poll in which two thirds of respondents agreed that the “quality of science and mathematics education is inadequate”. International benchmarking studies such as the OECD PISA survey or the TIMSS (Third International Math and Science Study), which measure literacy and competence, reinforce concerns in countries where youth ranks low in maths and science.

The quality of science teaching may also be an issue. The UK report that lamented the drop in physics and chemistry graduates pointed to the poor pay of teachers as a cause of reduced teaching quality and hence student performance. Consequently, policymakers have called for increasing teachers’ pay as well as improving the quality of maths and science teachers.

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written by Guest, July 15, 2005
you forgot to add that brasil would provide japan with prostitutes for all the perverts japan has.
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written by Guest, July 15, 2005
Brazil already provides prostitute to Europe and North America. Our exportation product.

Any way, professors make less money in any country.

The UK report that lamented the drop in physics and chemistry graduates pointed to the poor pay of teachers as a cause of reduced teaching quality and hence student performance. Consequently, policymakers have called for increasing teachers’ pay as well as improving the quality of maths and science teachers.
\"Don\'t you get it? Poor countries are
written by Guest, July 15, 2005
I don't know who posted the statement above. But, anyway, thanks for such intelligent and comprehensive post. To the other posters: those who talk about prostitutes, south/north separation: just because you have access to a computer, found this site, can jot down some ill-conceived fragments of thoughts and feel safe enough because we don't know who you are, does not mean that an average middle school kid will even listen to you in real life. Just stick with computer games and teen chat rooms, would you?
Re: drop in physics and chemistry gradua
written by Guest, July 15, 2005
You can blame this phenomenon on the Man-Hating Psycho Feminists.

No man wants to be around them!

Get the shrill squeeling banshees out of the faces of these men, and they may start coming back to the Universities to "smart them back up" again.
Re: It\'s almost like Mariah Carey
written by Guest, July 15, 2005
Stop hating on Mariah!
Re: Let\'s go to divide Canada and ...
written by Guest, July 15, 2005
You can come here and try...but you will probably crawl away with a size 12 broughgain print in the divide between your left and right ass-cheeks!
Re: Let\'s go to divide Canada and ...
written by Guest, July 15, 2005
No need for it... they are already divided. And teamed up in true federations. Brazil should go that way.
Canada
written by Guest, July 15, 2005
Canada is a funny country. Some months ago New Found Land took the Canadian flag from the Provincial Government. Sometimes Brithish Columbia and Alberta treat Ottawa when they talk about joining USA.
Quebec is always making money each time they treat to leave the Federation.

Canada is a funny country, who wants such place very cold. Bad land, the best land they are making houses over it.
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written by Guest, July 15, 2005
Canada is a funny country, who wants such place very cold. Bad land, the best land they are making houses over it.

That almost made sense...
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written by Guest, July 18, 2005
The biggest problem with is that Brazil is a nation for "socialism and comunism experiment"!
Without free enterprise...Goverment will slave it's citizens...and Brazil is light-years away from understanting this concept!
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written by Guest, July 18, 2005
Oh, is that the problem? You are just too advanced for Brazil. Stay away then, genius.
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written by Guest, July 20, 2005
f**king brasilians are always whining, feeling sorry for themselves. blame their problems on their ancestory and never step up to the real challenges.
f**king pussies, always whining about some other country has it easier or better.
bootstrap it baby, pull on them boots and take to the streets and make change- don't lay on the beach in rio and then whine cuz nothing gets done.

Bootstrap it baby!
YOU
written by Guest, July 20, 2005
You are absolutely right!
Re: Poor countries are necessary
written by Guest, July 21, 2005
Yes the rich countries need someone to look down their nose at, god what an insight!
RE Poor
written by Guest, July 23, 2005
RE: Poor Countries
written by Guest, July 23, 2005

Another whiny bitch, can't face the truth. The problems of brasil have nothing to do with Europe or North America.
They have everything to do with lethargic citizens wo don't really give a f**k about their status. Easier to sit back on your ass and blame everyone else. Our problems are our founders were a bunch of criminals. Pure unadulterated crap.
But keep thinking that way and blaming your problems on 500 year ago and you will face another 500 years of bulls**t
I am no big fan of USA, but weren't there original settlers a bunch of british thugs as well.

Keep blaming all your problems on the past 500 years and other countries and you will certainly have another 500 years of the same.
Re: Re: Poor Countries
written by Guest, July 23, 2005
It's our "expert" on brazil here folks. He's got you pegged. He's got your number. He's got a head that's made of lumber.
from Switzerland.......
written by Guest, July 30, 2005
to the writer of : Doesn't matter who's in charge !!!!!!!!

There is not only developped and undevelopped countries...but also....developping.....countries....or stated otherwise.....emerging countries....like....Brazil....your country !!!

You go back to 100 or more years and 60 years for Germany.

May I remind you that in the 1950....Brazil was one of the most expensive and trendiest city....of the world !!!!!!

Since then....you went down....on many occasions.... and Germany became what you said !!!!!

On the other hand I will agree with you that generally speaking......the 1800 century was for Europe....the 1900 for the USA...and this century could be for the BRIC (Brazil, Russia, India and China)
But you need a strong political base and a vision for the global economy !
And I am not convinved of that...especially from your country...because :
- you have too many political parties....therefore too many ideologies....that must be negotiated....generating...corruption !!!
Although your country recovered like many emerging countries from the 2002 world problems...your growth was one of the lowest if not the lowest from all Latin and South American countries. Also much lower than Asian developping countries !!!!

As to the developped regions or countries....Europe and Japan have no growth and future is bleak.

So there is only the USA who has a good growth. Part of that growth was due to the twin deficits (budget and trade). All emerging countries benefited of that and of historically low interest rates in the developped nations.

So my stupid question to you is.......what will you do...when the USA will have a sharp slowdown or on their next recession.

Dont forget the approximate mini 4 years cycle that should show a slowdown or worse...in the end of 2006 or early 2007.

Just look what happened in 2002, 1998, 1994, 1990, 1986/7, 1982, 1978, 1974 etc

In every of those years there was a worldwide problems of one nature or another.

And in evrey of those years....emerging coun tries suffered a lot more.... than developped countries !!!!
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written by Guest, July 31, 2005
Let sunshine in.
onlyme
written by reality, June 08, 2007
Let US spell it loud and clear - it all about holding power and protecting those close to them - that is - NO ONE, with a few exeption, are interested in solving anything apart from their own finances. They are at the top looking down on us. Their objetives? Money to acquire all amenities: expensives destination, latest car models, clothes, best 5 star hotels and restaurants and so on. To achieve this life style they sell their souls to the devils. We, the people who pay our taxes, are not relevant. Once they are in power they forget who pays for those priveledges. Is it absurd It has to stop and soon!
What are we doing? Securing a legacy for their next generation?. For instance, just look at the way magistrates pass on setences for the common citezen - they only acknowlegde partial right where should have been a clear cut right, and then, the executive are not obliged to deliver. Why bother? Then, check how the Aeronautics treats their ex-cabos - refusing to pay for a dignifying retirement life even manucfaturing laws against the Federal Constitucional rights. Don't make any mistake - the judiciary? the legislative? the executive? All very sad to watch. It is a caotic situation with no apparent or easy solution - unless an outcry is heard loud and clear. PLEASE STOP TREATING US AS A SECOND CLASS CITIZEN :- E agora José? What are you going to do? The party IS OVER. E agora? A LUZ APAGOU!!

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