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Mr. Blair, State Sanctioned Execution Is Not the Way to Go! PDF Print E-mail
2005 - July 2005
Written by Norman Madarasz   
Thursday, 28 July 2005 08:37

Maria and Matozinho Otoni, the parents of Jean Charles de Menezes,  the Brazilian killed by the London policeThe 27-seven-year-old Brazilian born electrician, Jean Charles de Menezes was killed by an anti-terrorist hit squad in London on Friday July 22. Seven bullets pierced his skull and shattered his brain, while the impact of an eighth snapped his spine.

His death has left a poor, rural family grieving, and tens of thousands of Brazilian immigrants and students in England outraged.

In the immediate aftermath to his murder, his shocked cousin, Alexandre Pereira, could not control his fury. The powers granted by the English government to preemptively murder potential suicide bombers abide by the same logic as the atrocities committed by American and British forces in Iraq, he went to assert.

The English government is well rehearsed in the use of these emergency powers endowed by the State to use against citizens and foreigners alike. Methods implemented in Northern Ireland and Iraq have been turned to the homeland.

But Jean Charles was neither Arab, Pakistani, nor Muslim. On July 22, after leaving his home to go to work, he was followed by a gang he could not have suspected consisted of law enforcement agents.

No crime he may have committed on his commute can justify his brutal murder, nor the State's claim to a monopoly on using murder legally. Jean Charles' ethnic and national background had nothing to do with Iraq.

Brazilians have continually manifested their opposition to the invasion and occupation of that country. Nor did his religious faith have anything to do with Islam. But his death will not have been in vain, for it has provided the Muslim committee with some breathing space to keep their pride.

As Bush did before him, by transforming the terrorist attacks of July 10 into England's 9/11, Blair is taking advantage of civil panic to settle scores. His press conference of July 26 was by far the most international in tenor since his unequivocal support of Bush and Sharon's military plans for the Middle East. He insisted, gnarled and beat away at any attempt to, in his words, "justify" the terror attacks. Yet his pose merely cast the pathetic silhouette of a shadow boxer.

As with 9/11, the acts were performed by human beings. Some of these individuals were devoted community workers. The fact that some of them were British citizens simply underscores how close Europe is, unlike North America, to the Middle East and North Africa, and how deeply history is able to tear events away from a compressed present.

These individuals thought over their acts, planned them, and executed them. Part of the plan, criminally involving the murder of innocent civilians, involves paying for the act with their own lives.

Also like 9/11, coming to terms with the horror of these choices is an act by which citizens strive to understand the grounds of revolt, mad and blind as they may be. Such pondering has nothing whatsoever to do with "justifying". Blair's tough guy performance could not intimidate any would-be suicide bombers. Instead, he meant to threaten anyone opposing his militaristic state-terror policies in Iraq.

Deliberative democracy has no counts to pay to authoritarian longings. All citizens have an inalienable right to condemn their government's criminal actions, and to insist upon accountability.

That the criminal acts of a handful of individuals will have comprised the social standing and peaceful desire of Muslims for full integration into British culture and life will be the responsibility of Blair's ignoble cowardice for supporting his country's big corporate interests (oil and guns) over the lives of innocent civilians in Iraq - and England.

For the warnings were clear. The nature of this war has changed with the miniaturization of weaponry and explosives. In their colonial wars, the European powers condemned as terrorists those who employed guerrilla war tactics to organize the subjected unarmed population.

To their acts the European powers, England and France, then the United States, in Kenya, Algerian, Indochina, Korea and Vietnam, bombed rifle shooters from the air, and slaughtered tens of thousands of civilians "just for the example". But the powers learned the strategy of guerrilla warfare and taught their future officers the secrets they learned from defeat.

Against infrared technological sighting, organized revolt has grown even harder. The road has been opened to the shocking and dismal path of self-sacrifice while pulling the innocent down into hell, in the belief that heaven waits at the end of the spirit's road.

Regardless of the religious convictions behind jihad, political solutions favorable to the Muslim populations of the Middle East have never fit the Anglo-American equation.

With the G7 population's accomplishments in deliberative democracy, much of which inspired by the independence wars fought in India, Algeria, Cuba and elsewhere, authoritarian leaders pushing to return their corporate dues must seek different paths to persuade and fool.

Disinformation campaigns do follow rules of efficiency. Inevitably, at one point, they fail. The technocrats of risk calculate probabilistic charts to account for possible blowback, and how to anticipate the potential financial losses incurred.

For two years now, it has been clear to the eyes of any half-curious observer that the Iraqi occupation, through Abu Ghraib, destroyed cities like Fallujah, endless civilian deaths and brutal home searches, has pushed the bar of the terrorist coefficient in guerrilla warfare up to unheard of levels.

Never a word to condemn torture by shameless Blair. The same Blair who filed all Chechen resistance fighters as terrorists is now smearing England's distinguished Muslim community as potential terrorists.

What if Jean Charles de Menezes was Muslim? No doubt, the British establishment would have barked at any complaint from the Islamic community, dismissing collateral damage as the outcome of acts "its own kind" had committed.

The slaying of the Brazilian Jean Charles finds some redemption in allowing British Muslims to assert their rights to voice opposition to British authoritarian and racist policies.

There was always another way to Blair's in reacting to 9/11. Beyond France and Germany, this was Canada's. Hospitable to any American in distress in those days of gloom, Canada opened its border inward. What it got in return was American disinterest and Bush's oblivion, matched with unfounded accusations against Canada's border enforcement.

There is another way, Mr Blair. It does not go by the path of State sanctioned execution, but by humility. That socialism was ever tied to your name is a historical stain on progressive politics.

Your European way of governance, acting with civility at home while leading imperialist policies abroad, is an old, hypocritical farce. It perpetuates the very lie upon which British civilization attempted to eradicate the French voice of Canada, and the voices of nations the world over.

There is another way. It's called peace and dialogue. At least one country in the Commonwealth, Canada, has recognized that. Another nation in the Americas, Brazil, has also stood firm on international peace. Innocence has been killed to let the voice of protest breathe. And breathe it shall.

A Canadian, Norman Madarasz is visiting professor of philosophy (Bolsista CAPES/Brasil) at Universidade Gama Filho, Rio de Janeiro. He welcomes comments at nmphdiol2@yahoo.ca.



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Mr. Lula, State Sanctioned Execution in
written by Guest, July 28, 2005
"The (BRAZILIAN) government is well rehearsed in the use of these emergency powers endowed by the State to use against citizens and foreigners alike."

A quote from above.
Re: Mr. Lula, State Sanctioned Execution
written by Guest, July 28, 2005
I see. So, it's okay if it's okay in Brazil? That's stupid. Do you judge the ethics your actions by the lowest of ethics you find in others? I guess we should all race to the bottom in our conduct. Hey, if acid is thrown on women in some other country as punishment, then beating women isn't so bad, now is it? They chop the hands off of theives in some countries, so maybe just breaking their hands would be okay. Excellent!
Very sad me
written by Guest, July 28, 2005
Lodon police are stupid;Bastrad, they donot known anything, they killed to Brazilian Jean Charles , who is inocent man, London police never win to world peoples heart.Thank you.
Sappan k.c.
Europe.
From Toronto
written by Guest, July 28, 2005
Of course it is a tragedy that an innocent person was killed by the police, but do you seriously think the police enjoy running around killing people?
If police tell you to stop, then stop! It is this cultural clash that is becoming such a huge problem in "multicultural" cities like London and Toronto. For the most part, police in Canada and Britain are professional and well trained. However, often when immigrants come from countries where the police are not the above, they react inapproprately when spoken to by officials.
My partner is from Sao Paulo. Frankly, with his darker skin, dark eyes and height, looks Muslim or Middle Eastern. We had this discussion last night because we are planning on visiting friends in London next year. Common sense dictates that he does not wear a backpack, heavy clothes or hang out on a subway platform. I will carry the backpack, if necessary because I am lighter skinned and don't look the profile. This is all common sense.
Whether one believes the Iraq war is justified or not, it is now a fact. It is a priviledge to live in the West and those rights and freedoms need to be vigorously defended. Muslim extremists are not shy in their denunciation of the "infidel West" and won't stop until the Crusades have been renewed.
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written by Guest, July 28, 2005
his name is joao not jean.
Re: Very sad me
written by Guest, July 28, 2005
The London police just want everyone to know that if terrorists keep blowing stuff up then foreigners will get killed! Until their are no foreigners left in London, then the problem is solved.
RE: Very sad to me
written by Guest, July 28, 2005
It is very unfortunate this man died but he did disobey direct orders. If a group of cops ask to you to stop what are you going to to do run like he did, no, because we all know the consequences. He ran, he even climbed a gate, running from the police will get you killed. For Christ sake he was innocent why did he run??? The cops were doing their job, unfortunately Jean Charles just wasn't thinking at the moment. The London Police are stupid? Your the dumb one I bet you too will run from a cop if he or she asks you to stop.
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written by Guest, July 29, 2005
Disobey orders and die. I see. Excellent!
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written by Guest, July 29, 2005
I see. Common sense says if you are brown and kinda look Arabic, you are suspect and must behave differently from white people. Excellent!
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written by Guest, July 29, 2005
"For Christ sake he was innocent why did he run???" Right. He must have been guilty of something, so his death is justified. Oops, maybe he was afraid of a bunch of guys in regular clothes with guns yelling at him. Naaaah! Excellent!
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written by Guest, July 29, 2005
I love the new fascism we are living under and the willing sheep we live among. They're so…Excellent!
The Brits are quickly
written by Guest, July 29, 2005
becoming just as violent as american cops...
Meanwhile in peaceful Brazil...
written by Guest, July 29, 2005
Stupid guest wrote on 2005-07-28 21:40:39:

The Brits are quickly becoming just as violent as american cops.However, it will still take a lot of time to become as violent as the Brazilian police.

From Folha de SP, April 2005:

A Polícia do Rio matou mais pessoas em confrontos do que todas as 21 mil corporações que atuam nos Estados Unidos, segundo o Centro de Estudos de Segurança e Cidadania.

Em 2004, 983 pessoas morrem no Estado do Rio sob o fogo de policiais. Em 2003, o número foi ainda maior --1.195. Em 2002, os mortos somaram 900. Nos EUA, a média de mortes foi de 341 por ano no período de 1998 a 2002.
Bicha Encima
written by Guest, July 29, 2005
Vai lamber o pinto do seu portero....sua bichavagabunda nojenata!
Middle Eastern looking types beware
written by brasilnut58, July 29, 2005
I wonder had he been a typical Swede would he be dead!!
give it a rest
written by Guest, July 29, 2005
30 years of IRA bombs and all police mistakes involved white people - guildford 4 etc. - because the real bombers were....wait for it...white. bizarre coincidence no?
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written by Guest, July 29, 2005
As a Brit of Asian origin living in London i am depply disheartened by the comments i read on this site. London police have a long history of acting professionally and use their weapons rarely. The so-called' shoot to kill' policy has been in effect since 2001 and this is the first time it has been deployed. Tragically, it was deployed mistakenly and I wholeheartedly support an enquiry to resolve the mistakes that lead to his death and learn the lessons. I also feel for the family, as i do for those who lost pople in the bombings. But it is simply that, a tragic mistake and lessons will be learnt, as they have been when people, whites included, who have previously been shot mistakenly by police. Show me a country where armed police have not mistakenly shot someone, then add in some suicide bombers on the loose and you tell me that mistake could not be replicated there, should such a country exist. For those who believe it is a race issue & that anyone less than lily white should be in fear, what nonsense written by people who clearly have no comprehension of London and how multi-cultural it is. London would simply grind to a halt if people genuinely accepted this. If muslims in my office, who use the tube daily, can understand how a mistake can be made and still have confidence in the police, how is it people who do not live here and who no doubt live in countries that have also been touched by mistaken police killigs and racial concerns. As has been pointed out to me, we have CCTV footage of the attemnpted suicide bombers and as anyone can see, they are not white. sad thogh it it, that does mena the police are not looking for a white man. That is possibly the only certainty they can reply upon, as other features can be changed (facial hair, clothing, backpack!! etc).and has created this notion that non-whites are being targeted. If a Right wing racist was setting bombs off, it would be safe to assume that the police would target white, skinheads, especially if they had CCTV footage showing such a person committing the act. But is does not mean that they are specifically targetting whites, they are repsonding to clear intelligence. It is a sad reality that police have to make spilt second decisons with very little information and there is not doubt that at present it is a tense time and serious mistakes can happen. It is clear is that mistakes were made and this cannot be denied. It does not mean the police are actively exectuting non-whites and that the policy is wrong and that people have anymore to fear from them than they did in 2001 when the policy was adopted.It is the terorist I fear, who does not answer to judicial enquiries and does not have the welfare of the public at heart.
Also, while I'm here, for the true bigots amongst you who use this to hold everyopne from British polictians to the Brtish people responsible, try sorting your own house out first. I'm not familiar with brazilian news, though a quick google has highlighted numerous cases of police torture (not seen that one levelled at British police) and civilian deaths in favelas, on scales that would be uncomprehendable in the UK. Is it true that if I visit Brazil I should make sure I'm wearing a smart suit, so as to distinguish myself from the poorer folk in Brazil? A tragic mistake yes, but don't distort the truth to suit your arguments and please try to place this terrible event in context.
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written by Guest, July 29, 2005
I wonder had he been a typical Swede would he be dead!! -

Duh, of course not. There really hasn't been a rash of attacks led by blonde Swed-looking terrorists over the last decade now has there? f**k you race fascists are thick.

You folkies sobbing away that skin colour had something to do with this well YOU'RE DAMN RIGHT, and you have only your own communities to blame! The day the Sons of the "religion of Peace" stop blowing things up, and blacks stop robbing and shooting one another where ever "hommy" feels fit, is the day they won't be singled out by the police - it is that simple. The Japanese don't seem to have a problem integrateing into whatever city/state/country they land now do they?

If you are black, or of arabic background, and hate the way you are being treated by police, then blame your own community. The police react to realities. People fear and dislike these two groups, and the police investigate these two groups for very good reason.
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written by Guest, July 29, 2005
To the Brit of Asian origin, I am a lily white Brit in London and I thank you for your comments. Do you remember the white racist setting off bombs in Brixton, Brick Lane and Soho back in 1999? I remember the police defending the non white Londoners and bringing the man to justice. You are a Brit of Asian immigrant stock and I am a Brit with both English and white immigrant ancestors so we are as British as one another regardless of skin colour or religion. I am so sad at what happened to Jean Charles (Joao) Menezes but like you say, there will be a full enquiry and compensation to the family - something that I know does not happen in Brazil - I've been there 3 times and love the country but like you say, they need to sort out their own house before criticising us.
Earth is a sad place to be right now
written by Guest, July 29, 2005
Perhaps it’s because I’m not frightened of death… but I find the world’s situation quite interesting. Now everyone for the most part is panicking at every sudden movement. Bag searches at train and bus stations. People herded like cattle, it’s almost funny. They have that same sad glossy look in their eyes. Like they know it’s the end. I might look suspicious, because I sometimes talk to myself on the train. I never enjoyed talking to cattle. It’s over one hundred degrees in the train station, I better not sweat. Innocent people being killed or detained for no better reason then the color of their skin or the sound of their voice. Yes, this has happened before… but it seems sadder now. We are supposed to be evolved. We are supposed to be civilized. I sometimes wonder will people ever learn. I know the answer, but I still ask. To think this time it all started because of an end. Yes, the end of the cold war. You see war is very profitable to most countries. Be it religion, oil, class, drug, etc. It makes little difference what for or where. The US government wanted to start a war that would never end. Those men in the plane… CIA trained... just like another man they can’t seem to find. Whether the one giving the orders or the one writing the checks or the one holding the gun… it’s still wrong… they are all guilty. There is no way they can explain why so many innocent are lost. They were just doing their job they’ll say. Their job is to kill people? I guess some people will do anything. Would you believe most of the people with jobs like this… the check writer, the order giver, the trigger puller believe in a god and are usually quite religious. I guess this makes them feel like their doing something right. There is no god. Stop waving your flag. Stop counting your beads. No one person is better than the other. I’ve not given up on people just yet. I still hold onto a thread of hope. -CL
Murder in the name of law
written by Guest, July 29, 2005
Perhaps it’s because I’m not frightened of death… but I find the world’s situation quite interesting. Now everyone for the most part is panicking at every sudden movement. Bag searches at train and bus stations. People herded like cattle, it’s almost funny. They have that same sad glossy look in their eyes. Like they know it’s the end. I might look suspicious, because I sometimes talk to myself on the train. I never enjoyed talking to cattle. It’s over one hundred degrees in the train station, I better not sweat. Innocent people being killed or detained for no better reason then the color of their skin or the sound of their voice. Yes, this has happened before… but it seems sadder now. We are supposed to be evolved. We are supposed to be civilized. I sometimes wonder will people ever learn. I know the answer, but I still ask. To think this time it all started because of an end. Yes, the end of the cold war. You see war is very profitable to most countries. Be it religion, oil, class, drug, etc. It makes little difference what for or where. The US government wanted to start a war that would never end. Those men in the plane… CIA trained... just like another man they can’t seem to find. Whether the one giving the orders or the one writing the checks or the one holding the gun… it’s still wrong… they are all guilty. There is no way they can explain why so many innocent are lost. They were just doing their job they’ll say. Their job is to kill people? I guess some people will do anything. Would you believe most of the people with jobs like this… the check writer, the order giver, the trigger puller believe in a god and are usually quite religious. I guess this makes them feel like their doing something right. There is no god. Stop waving your flag. Stop counting your beads. No one person is better than the other. I’ve not given up on people just yet. I still hold onto a thread of hope. -CL
RE: The Brits are quickly
written by Guest, July 29, 2005
Just as violent as American cops? Before you jugde look at your own country Brazil and that corrupt police force. How dare you say American police forces are violent when you a Brazilian would be killed or robbed by a cop first rather than a hoodlum.
Hatred...
written by Guest, July 29, 2005
To the Brit guests:

Please, remember not all Brazilians think the same and the opinions will differ among us.

The hatred here portrait by some Brazilians are result of two possible behaviors: either they are using this site to be sickly fuelled by second-rate debates (some people are sick enough to love “baixaria”) or they are just xenophobes and nationalists.

I am a proud Brazilian; in spite of what you guys think about my country, we have in Brazil a lot of good people and hard working citizens. These first-class rate Brazilians are responsible for whatever good about Brazil we have today. The rest of our people are either victim of unfortunate circumstances or too lazy to move up in life (I am not only talking about money).

I have no sympathy for what the London police have done to Jean Charles and I do not agree with the way he was killed, regardless the circumstances, but I know that was an odd mistake especially considering the remarkable rep**ation of the English police.
RE: The Brits are quickly...continues
written by Guest, July 30, 2005
American cops reminds me of the old Gestapo in Nazi Germany...Facists at Heart! Basically, ATF, CIA, FBI, Secret Service etc are all facists forces that will destroy anything in their path to keep their dominance...Remember Waco, Texas?

Too bad, the Brits are becoming copy-cats of those american nazis!

keol
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written by Guest, July 30, 2005
so its ok for brazilain cops to kill brazilians then, that happens all the time and we never hear a thing about it, life goes on. a brazilain student gets shot in brazil and it wouldent even make the paper. its shame what happend but i think all vistors to the uk should be aware of whats going on around them. people in the uk are used to bomb threats and know how to behave most of us grew up with the thret of bombs. and im shure most of us would have stopped if challenged by armed police. what made the brazilian run? mabey we will never know but it was running that got him killed. im glad that the public in the uk have that kind of protection and i would have shot him myself if i was in the policemans shoes. brazil shouldent take it to hart. no one had any idea where he was from befour the shotting. he could have been from anywhere. its also about time the british public understand that going to war abroud means bringing the war to your door.
Right Above
written by Guest, July 30, 2005
You get ever more ridiculous with every word that comes tumbling out your c**k-sucking mouth.
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written by Guest, July 30, 2005
Can I ask a few question since i am here in the US and we are getting conflicting reports about this situation. From what I understand so far, the Brazilian was followed by the police as he left an apartment that they were investigating. Now, he had a coat on a warm day he heads to the tube. Three police officers, in plain clothing follow him and order him to stop. Now if he continued running after looking back and seeing the police then I kinda understand the mind-set the police had. But from what I know so far, Jean looked back and saw three plain clothed men asking him to stop. He according to some reports was late to work and was trying to catch the tube. The problem I have is that they then tackle him and shot him 8 times in the head. I problem I have with the whole situation is why did they need to shoot him when they had him tackled. I understand the fact they assumed he might be a terrorist but once you have him down, how can the bomb explode. In fact bringing him could have actually caused the bomb to explode. Also, I get that they were afraid he might have actually had a bomb and exploded it but once he is in the tube nothing could have prevented him from exploding the bomb there and killing a number of people.
Clearly,I feel for the family, especially his mother. I heard his plans was to work a few more years in the UK and return to the Brazil will some money in his pocket and he in fact became another victim of the war on terror.
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written by Guest, July 30, 2005
The fact that Menezes was wearing a thick jacket on warm day shouldn't have surprised anyone. Brazlians are notorious little bitches when it comes to the weather. I was just in Rio and one day it was about 60 degrees fahrenheit and overcast. I saw Brazilians wearing ski jackets!! Every other Brazilian on the street was complaining about how cold it was. Brazilians don't know the meaning of cold!!!
If America and the UK
written by Guest, July 30, 2005
would stop going around the world kicking everyone's ass then maybe the Muslims would back the f**k off. White people have wanted to dominate the world since 1492 and will stop at NOTHING to do so.

I find it funny that white people especially Anglo Saxons would cry "terrorism" when they have been the biggest terrorists on planet earth. A black person cannot even walk down the street or drive down a street in America without being harassed by the racist white supremacist thug cops.
When white supremacists spew their hatred and violence the US govt gives them a round of applause and more rounds of ammunition.

The Bible, Koran, Bhagavad Gita and every other text out there tells you that you REAP what you SOW! If white people want violence to stop then maybe you ought to stop sowing violence. Brazil is just as guilty with her phony platitudes of racial democracy yet kissing Anglo Saxon butt and doing her evil bidding against her own black and brown citizens and helping the evil American govt continue to brutalize Haiti. Just a taste of your own medicine and chickens coming home to roost in Brazil. Put down your racist guns yourselves.

As long as white people terrorize the earth then you will always have Muslim groups out there prepared to kick ass.
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written by Guest, July 30, 2005
For the Asians claiming the UK is not racist and multi-cultural get your head out of your ass. You know damn well that white supremacist groups in the UK can get away with murder and when an evil act is committed by them you have none of the racist hysteria you have when the terrorist is suspected to be Muslim.

I know for a fact that Muslims and other people of color are heavily racially profiled in the US and the racist lynch mobs fly off the roof. You know that white people are murderous and racist towards nonwhite people, especially blacks and they will use any excuse for violence towards them (not that historically they have needed an excuse to lynch and kill one).

Stop already with the multicultural bulls**t. That is the same bulls**t Brazil preaches with her hypocritical racial democracy myths. White people want to dominate the world and destroy any and everyone in it including outer space and Islam is the only thing that prevents their entire takeover of the planet.

Hell they own 90% of the world and its resources. I guess the white man wants the full Monty.
Why did he run?
written by Guest, July 30, 2005
Getting busted by the police & deported for overstaying your 'student'visa is a common fear for many Brazilian economic migrants in the UK.
Was this why he ran?
I am British & reside in London. I lived in Brazil for 8 years & have a great affection for the country & it's people.
However Brazilians do tend to lean towards conspiracy theories rather than c**k up theories.
My view is that Menezes was very unlucky...wrong place...wrong time...wrong reaction.
What is the true view of Brazilians in London ? those with & without 'dodgy' visas
someone said
written by Guest, July 30, 2005
"It is very unfortunate this man died but he did disobey direct orders. If a group of cops ask to you to stop what are you going to to do run like he did, no, because we all know the consequences."

It just so happens that those cops were in disguise. As long as the victim was concerned, they could have been thiefs or who knows.
And even if they were dressed like cops, by LAW, they do not have the right to shoot an innocent man who does not pose a threat to anyone or bear any kind of weapon.
someone said
written by Guest, July 30, 2005
"It is very unfortunate this man died but he did disobey direct orders. If a group of cops ask to you to stop what are you going to to do run like he did, no, because we all know the consequences."

It just so happens that those cops were in disguise. As long as the victim was concerned, they could have been thiefs or who knows.
And even if they were dressed like cops, by LAW, they do not have the right to shoot an innocent man who does not pose a threat to anyone or bear any kind of weapon.
If America and the UK...
written by Guest, July 31, 2005
Not so fast...I am white and I do not wish harm to my felow human beings, any color, any shape...we are all humans!

Here Here!
written by Guest, July 31, 2005
The man was a human being, and deserving of sympathy whatever part he may have played in his own death.
Blue
written by Guest, July 31, 2005
Brazilians kind of look Arab, you must admit. I'm curious, what race would the kid have passed for in Brazil (I'm sorry, I am just curious, he really looks Arab)?? Arabs tend to be very disgruntled, lol.


To the crazy black pesismist/defeatist: Asians also own quite a bit. As well, America, Canada and the U.K. are all multicultural countries in the beginning stages of racial and political reform. However, I do agree with some of what you had said, to a certain degree. I also believe it is sad that wealth in our time, and not human character is what ultimately defines an individual's (country or person) worth on this planet (generally speaking). As well, I also believe it is very sad that natural resouces can be purchased by way of government printed currency (papper), and then marketed and sold as product.This is very disheartening, especially when considering that they had been put on this planet for everybody's use (Natives also beleaved this; before they were shot in the back, and their land taken from them).If anything is to blame for your frustration, blame Western Capitalism and it's hold over the minds of our world, as well as your country's history. Often, If you dig deep enough, you will find Capitalism right at the centre of things (It has been far worse on our world than Facism and Communism combined, literally).

I bet you wanna be rich too?? I do...(Only because money buys rights, in our twisted world)








Why were improved versions of the gun invented so many times over? Give up? ......."To turn a profit."


While Most cultures were breeding true worriors of commendable heart, western minds were breeding greedy men with cowardly weapons. (I'm not a philosopher by the way) lol


BANG!!!!!
Arab look
written by Guest, July 31, 2005
"Brazilians kind of look Arab"

Anyone with a bit of southern european blood looks like an arab, since they ( Arabs) occupied that region for more than 700 years. If cops in the UK start shooting everyone who looks Arab, I am very, very sory for all the southern italians, portuguese, spanish and french who are going to be killed, not to speak of the innocent arabs themselves ...
Effective investigative work is the best weapon against terrorism, not shooting anyone who seems to fill your stereotype of what a terrorist should like ...
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written by Guest, July 31, 2005
Bicha Encima
Stupid Guest wrote on 2005-07-29 07:24:29

"Vai lamber o pinto do seu portero....sua bichavagabunda nojenata!"

Is this the only way you can respond to the sad facts published in one of the best Brazilian newspapers? By the way, you should work on your Portuguese, or even better: simply shut your dirty mouth if you don't have anything to say.
You get ever more ridiculous with every
written by Guest, July 31, 2005
mabeyb we should just make it a new national sport then.
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written by Guest, July 31, 2005
Yah! Orders must be obeyed at all costs! Dizobey an order und you vill be shot!

I guess life in the UK has now become what they fought so hard against 60 years ago or some sort of island prison. Rover would be better than this though -- a big ball that hunts you down and beats you into submission.

So why is this happening? Could it have anything to do with really bad foreign policy?
Nothing much.
written by Guest, July 31, 2005
I'M SO SORRY TO DO THIS:

I was looking over a Brazilian census report little over five minutes ago, when it had come to my attention that Brazil only has a 6.6% black population, while the U.S. has a12% black population. My question is, "What the f**k?"
You guys are kidding, right? I think we may have some liars on your census report.lol

My other question is in regard to Argentina: When did Spanish people become white? They are Brown, aren't they?
They look like middle easterners.In old U.S census reports they were classified a mulatto, seriously (mulatto was a catch all category back then).

South America really does confuse me????

I'm sorry, I just did not know where else to go with these questions, and Brazzil.com is very well know for it's out spoken vistiors. Thanks.

P.S. The kid looks black/coloured, I bet he is white in Brazil, Hmm? (I'm not trying to test anybody, I'm only curious) I bet I would be moreno clara, or something. "You south Americans are really funny."






I'm only testing whether I can post pictures here..Thanks for you patience (if you can see the picture...If you can't, it was of Jimi hendrix)
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written by Guest, July 31, 2005
Turns out this man was illegally in London on a Visa that expired two years ago. Which is why he ran from the police.

So it looks like he caused his own death.

He thought he was going to be deported...and was deported...in a body bag!
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written by Guest, July 31, 2005
You guys are really hard here, so am I! Ahhahahahahahahaaaaaaaa!
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written by Guest, July 31, 2005
The whole concept of race and color is widely different here. This is not "bad" as an american or british would think ( their self image is of a "white-never-seen-sun-and-beach-in-life" person) but it's good. Usually europeans and americans don't have a good knowledge on other cultures and usually think that the only inhabitable places on earth are USA and Europe and everyone else's dream is to live there working in a low paying job in Burger King.

Only desperate people running away from poverty and violence leave their home, the same way many europeans fled to Brasil.

Living in a mixed society like this one in Brasil, although for vanity some politicias insist in creating an antagonism between races, is a great thing. We have jews muslims and chirtians, and african religions (candomblé, etc), blacks, whites, asians, africnas, indians all living together and mixing their blood (maybe not the immigrants themselves, some usually like living in guetos, but their children for sure) WITHOUT WAR!

That's why this place is unique with unique opportunities, and I still think that something unique will come out of it. The lines between races will fade with the centuries, and there will be only the sons and daughters of the new race, the brasilian race.

That's why, brasilians, we must work, to build the best county ever, with new and better paradigms, out of this "europeanish-imported-to-USA-narrow-view".
I wish
written by Guest, August 01, 2005
I were Brit. I'm just a dumb American.
Whatever the circumstances were
written by Guest, August 01, 2005
Why did the undercover cops have to put (7) rounds in this guy's head and (1) through his spine? The victim was unarmed, right?
NOT JUDGING / I WAS BORN AND STILL LIVE
written by Guest, August 01, 2005

Perhaps it’s because I’m not frightened of death… but I find the world’s situation quite interesting. Now everyone for the most part is panicking at every sudden movement. Bag searches at train and bus stations. People herded like cattle, it’s almost funny. They have that same sad glossy look in their eyes. Like they know it’s the end. I might look suspicious, because I sometimes talk to myself on the train. I never enjoyed talking to cattle. It’s over one hundred degrees in the train station, I better not sweat. Innocent people being killed or detained for no better reason then the color of their skin or the sound of their voice. Yes, this has happened before… but it seems sadder now. We are supposed to be evolved. We are supposed to be civilized. I sometimes wonder will people ever learn. I know the answer, but I still ask. To think this time it all started because of an end. Yes, the end of the cold war. You see war is very profitable to most countries. Be it religion, oil, class, drug, etc. It makes little difference what for or where. The US government wanted to start a war that would never end. Those men in the plane… CIA trained... just like another man they can’t seem to find. Whether the one giving the orders or the one writing the checks or the one holding the gun… it’s still wrong… they are all guilty. There is no way they can explain why so many innocent are lost. They were just doing their job they’ll say. Their job is to kill people? I guess some people will do anything. Would you believe most of the people with jobs like this… the check writer, the order giver, the trigger puller believe in a god and are usually quite religious. I guess this makes them feel like their doing something right. There is no god. Stop waving your flag. Stop counting your beads. No one person is better than the other. I’ve not given up on people just yet. I still hold onto a thread of hope. -CL
BORN AND LIVE IN NEW YORK CITY
written by Guest, August 01, 2005
Perhaps it’s because I’m not frightened of death… but I find the world’s situation quite interesting. Now everyone for the most part is panicking at every sudden movement. Bag searches at train and bus stations. People herded like cattle, it’s almost funny. They have that same sad glossy look in their eyes. Like they know it’s the end. I might look suspicious, because I sometimes talk to myself on the train. I never enjoyed talking to cattle. It’s over one hundred degrees in the train station, I better not sweat. Innocent people being killed or detained for no better reason then the color of their skin or the sound of their voice. Yes, this has happened before… but it seems sadder now. We are supposed to be evolved. We are supposed to be civilized. I sometimes wonder will people ever learn. I know the answer, but I still ask. To think this time it all started because of an end. Yes, the end of the cold war. You see war is very profitable to most countries. Be it religion, oil, class, drug, etc. It makes little difference what for or where. The US government wanted to start a war that would never end. Those men in the plane… CIA trained... just like another man they can’t seem to find. Whether the one giving the orders or the one writing the checks or the one holding the gun… it’s still wrong… they are all guilty. There is no way they can explain why so many innocent are lost. They were just doing their job they’ll say. Their job is to kill people? I guess some people will do anything. Would you believe most of the people with jobs like this… the check writer, the order giver, the trigger puller believe in a god and are usually quite religious. I guess this makes them feel like their doing something right. There is no god. Stop waving your flag. Stop counting your beads. No one person is better than the other. I’ve not given up on people just yet. I still hold onto a thread of hope. -CL

SAD FACT IS PEOPLE KILL FOR MONEY EVERY WARE!!!!
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written by Guest, August 01, 2005
Bicha Americana Encima
Idiot Guest wrote on 2005-07-29 07:24:29
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Is this the only way you can respond to the sad facts published in one of the best Brazilian newspapers? By the way, you should work on your Portuguese, or even better: simply shut your dirty mouth if you don't have anything to say.
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Antes que eu me esqueça…vai tomar no seu cú sua viada descabaçada das caraia.....viva o Mengo!
NOT JUDGING/BORN AND LIVE IN NEW YORK CI
written by Guest, August 01, 2005
READ: The government kills for money and power. The cops kill for money and power. The terrorists kill for money and power. The drug gangs kill for money and power. Ect… It’s a vicious cycle with no end in site. Here in the US, all over central and south America, Europe, Africa, Asia, with very little exception the world over. It’s a sad fact! This nonsense must be stopped!!! STOP KILLING!!! STOP KILLING!!! -CL
INTERESTING
written by Guest, August 01, 2005
The one thing I like about reading some of these articles is that I can live in a time warp where people are still fighting the imperialist powers in the name of communism by blaming every ill of the world on the Anglos and Americans.

Governments are inherently generic in their pursuits and excesses occur in every country. However, from personal experience in the UK, USA, Canada, and Brazil, I am ONLY worried when I am stopped on the streets of Brazil by police...and this is Not to say that I condone the London killing, BUT, I would say to all those attacking the UK and their police and institutions, look hard, VERY hard at your own institutions first. maybe then, you will spend more energy on fixing your own communities and venting less on socities that are on the whole...well more peaceful, this accident aside.
From London
written by Guest, August 01, 2005

I smile when I read some of the comments on this matter. The British police DON'T go around shooting innocent people on a whim, they are trying to prevent the citizens of London getting blown up going to and from work by fanatics.

I love Brazil and the people, but please take a look in your own backyard before hurling abuse at the British Police.

Can anyone tell me who shot the catholic priest in Rio last week and why?.Perhaps it was because he was campaigning against the shooting of 20 plus homeless people shot on the streets of Rio recently by guess who?.

It may not bring the youngman back to his family, but as his cousin said in London " they ( the police)will have to pay" and the British taxpayer WILL pay. I wonder if it would be the same result if a British citizen was shot on the streets on Brazil by the police. I doubt it somehow.

No way!
written by Guest, August 02, 2005
We don't shoot Brits here. We turn them into minor celebreties! Remember Biggs? Viva o Mengo!!!
Surprise
written by Guest, August 02, 2005
I am impressed by how much Brazilian heart goes into this debate about the killing of an innocent man by British police. I would be more impressed if Brazilians would only put half as much heart in debating the multiple killings of innocent people day after day on their streets. By thugs, by gangs, by the semi-military organisations and by a police that, to say the least, is not half as well trained as the British. Are Brazilians measuring with two yard sticks here? If you want to debate this beyond "it is a mistake and tragedy and it must not happen again", i.e if you want ot debate it on a idealogical or principalist level, there is a lot that Brazil can learn from British policing - and not the other way round.

Lothar Eckstein (German)
A nice example for Brazilian police work
written by Guest, August 02, 2005
Enquanto isso no Rio de Janeiro:

Policiais são suspeitos da morte de 4 jovens

A investigação da morte de duas crianças de 9 e 12 anos e de dois jovens de 16 e 19 --assassinados, carbonizados e dois deles tendo os dedos polegares decepados-- aponta para a participação no crime de policiais que atuam em grupos de extermínio na Baixada Fluminense, na região metropolitana do Rio. Três dos quatro mortos eram irmãos. O de 16 anos era amigo das demais vítimas.

Cada um dos mortos levou mais de seis tiros de pistola calibre ponto 40, arma padrão das polícias do Rio. Um deles tinha nas costas marca de pisada de coturno, típico de policiais militares.
From London...
written by Guest, August 02, 2005
Go brush your teeth you bucktooth rooten teeth brit. Is dentistry a profitable profession in the UK??? Anyone!

keol
Tut Tut Keol
written by Guest, August 02, 2005
It's a very profitable profession, thats why I get mine done in Brazil its cheaper.Says a lot about your interlect that you resort to such stupid comments.
What do you mean by interlect?
written by Guest, August 03, 2005
Speak up! You are entitled to your own stupid opinion....hehehe

Your Master,

keol
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written by Guest, August 03, 2005
Is trutinho at it again, here? Tsk Tsk Troll, err Keol. You´ve been bitch-slapped enough on this site, shouldn´t you go post anti-US communities on Orkut like the rest of your grey matter devoid Trotskyites now?

Que Otario!
Brits and Americans have always been arr
written by Guest, August 08, 2005
I start to dislike them more and more,they are doing their best to ruin their rep**ation.It was just awful what the police did to that poor and inncent guy!! I wonder how the Americans or Brits would have reacted if he was American or British??????????
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written by Guest, August 09, 2005
It´s obvious Brazilians don´t care when their police kill inocent Brazilians, that´s for sure.
Of course not!
written by Guest, August 10, 2005
People from the same country can kill each other but Brits and Americans can f**k themselves and kill each other! Don't interfer in somebody else business
Que Otario...
written by Guest, August 11, 2005
É a tua vó…sua espermatica!

Beijos do keol
keol! sorry...
written by Guest, August 11, 2005
what means E a tua vó...sua espermatica? Well at this site we need to study portuguese. :-))
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written by Guest, August 14, 2005
f**kers.
We are always f**kERS
written by Guest, August 14, 2005
Always more pleasent to be a f**ker that to be f**ked!
world war
written by Guest, September 23, 2005
2 PROBLEMS, PALESTINE + OIL= current world war, unless these 2 issues are resloved there will be peace!
Sappan K.c.(Europe)
written by Guest, November 28, 2005
Nepal will be a rich and powerful country
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Can the Nepal realistically expect to gain more wealth relative to other countries in the future? The answer is yes.

But it is necessary to state the specific requirements for higher incomes and then look historically at the geographies, cultures,economies and polities that affected these requirements for Nepal to see if some generalizations can be drawn that will be useful to Nepal.

In doing so, we must recognize that we indulge out selves in a value-judgment: acquiring material wealth is “good”, and not doing so is “bad”. This statement acknowledges the leaders in Nepal who eschew these values, who must prefer to spend the studies and labor of Nepali people, who must consider material wealth a necessary evil that must be tolerated only to the extent of sustaining life and no more.

However, Nepal’s geographical disadvantage is offset by its geographical location at former trade routes between rich countries that allowed it to accumulate sufficient capital and technology to “move mountains” (or, at least penetrate them with tunnels and cross the valleys with bridges) and prosper. Like for example the Balkan countries in southeastern Europe enjoyed no such advantage and suffered economic stagnation.

Nations with too many mountains and too few navigable waterways:

Tajikistan, Nepal, Mongolia, and Bhutan. If Afghanistan and Tibet were included, they would, no doubt, also fall into this group for the same reasons. Therefore, the geography of a country like in Nepal is an important determinant of its ability to achieve greater wealth.

The use of technologies depends not only on geography, but also on culture. How can you teach a farmer or factory worker to perform simple tasks efficiently if he/she cannot read or write? Thus, we have to developed educational system, and to teach children how to read mathematics, science, engineering, and programming may achieve material wealth, because technologies depend on technical education.

Therefore, even if we had adequate technologies, which we don’t, we would not even be able to adequately maintain imported technologies because of our poorly educated technicians. And also we need to understand, the use of technologies depends not only on geography and culture, but also on the economy of nations. Subsistence economies, Aborigines, resulted in our subjugation and doom by people with more advanced economies that featured the division of labor, technologies, and trade.

However, it will take a long time because poor and dependable economic system must be eradicated. Rural economic reforms program can survive longer if our workforce become immune within a country. That is why it is important to eliminate bad government, corruption and dependable policy.

In summary, the kind of economy and polity determine the ability of Nepal to become rich and the successes of effective economic system has prevailed over other forms the world over. As we know, it is clear that a Nepal with an unfavorable geography, or culture, or economy is countries in southeastern Europe enjoyed no such advantage and suffered economic stagnation.

Nations with too many mountains and too few navigable waterways:

Tajikistan, Nepal, Mongolia, and Bhutan. If Afghanistan and Tibet were included, they would, no doubt, also fall into this group for the same reasons. Therefore, the geography of a country like in Nepal is an important determinant of its ability to achieve greater wealth. The use of technologies depends not only on geography, but also on culture. How can you teach a farmer or factory worker to perform simple tasks efficiently if he/she cannot read or write? Thus, we have to developed educational system, and to teach children how to read mathematics, science, engineering, and programming may achieve material wealth, because technologies depend on technical education.

Therefore, even if we had adequate technologies, which we don’t, we would not even be able to adequately maintain imported technologies because of our poorly educated technicians. And also we need to understand, the use of technologies depends not only on geography and culture, but also on the economy of nations. Subsistence economies, Aborigines, resulted in our subjugation and doom by people with more advanced economies that featured the division of labor, technologies,and trade.

However, it will take a long time because poor and dependable economic system must be eradicated. Rural economic reforms program can survive longer if our workforce become immune within a country. That is why it is important to eliminate bad government, corruption and dependable policy.

In summary, the kind of economy and polity determine the ability of Nepal to become rich and the successes of effective economic system has prevailed over other forms the world over. As we know, it is clear that a Nepal with an unfavorable geography, or culture, or economy is severely handicapped to make sufficient technological advances that increase the wealth and living standards of its people. But no doubt about it, Nepal can be economically independent, rich and prosperous country. Than how ?

Nepal is a small country, without significant resources. It is surrounded by India and China. With its natural non-aligned, non-aggressive tendencies, Nepal will grow comfortably and smoothly. The age-old problem of equitable economic wealth distribution will present the most interesting opportunities and possibilities for Nepali people and planners in the next thirty years. It will be fascinating to see what these patriotic individuals develop in this regard. Moreover, the active assistance and encouragement of the international community is sometimes needed in Nepal.

“In the economic development which has been pioneered by NGOs and some European and Asian thinkers in allowing women to perform a very natural function as market makers and entrepreneurs. This thinking takes economic development for LCDs a step further by viewing women as holistic entities instead of mere consumers. If done in tandem with targeted infrastructure development, it will almost always result in a success. Income distribution and land reform create enormous non-productive babble-gabble conversations but little or no results”. An American journalist John Scherb said.

If we see South Africa has perhaps provided almost the perfect model in addressing a polarized, racially-divided, bitter struggle for economic and political justice with its advocacy of a so-called “truth commission” method of exploring and healing past divisions. If we see Argentina and several Central American countries. What actually works are these division-healing mechanisms. He further argued.

Fortunately, Nepal with their much more ancient societal wisdom-base, do not share completely in this modern mindless enthusiasm. As Nepal adjusts to her newly-found economic and social power, it will naturally seek to test their limits. Fortunately, except for a fanatical few, Nepal is not under the self-delusion. Nepal has always taken the long view of contributing to the well-being of the world through sharing the results of its long spiritual journey and its wisdom. It is an exciting time to be a Nepal and will be for the next hundred years or so.

However, Nepal will be a rich and powerful country because it has glorious pasts, rich cultural traditions and high aspirations for the future.

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Sappan K.C.

Europe
Nepali song
written by Guest, November 28, 2005
I Love Nepal.
You\'re all joker\'s
written by Guest, September 03, 2006
You people that support the brit police are stupid, they were not wearing uniform when they told him to stop therefore he did not know who they were, so why would he stop? as there are so many racist gangs in the UK, i do not blame him for running, no one would have helped him. The british public are notorious for "not wanting to get involved", a woman was once raped on a packed commuter train over here. And you brit of asian origin, i dont know what planet you live on, obviously a secluded posh part of london, you need to wake up, are you one of those asians who thinks they are fully integrated into the white community? the BNP are stronger than ever, racsism is rife in london, most of it is behind YOUR back, multicultural my arse!! . Not as bad as the so called democracy USA (the KKK, citizens have to carry ID, cant drink in public, FBI citizen files....E.T.C). And lastly Brazil... just change your leader, overhaul your police force and you'll be fine.

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