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Tears and Indignation Won't Save Lula's Job PDF Print E-mail
2005 - August 2005
Written by John Fitzpatrick   
Friday, 12 August 2005 12:26

Brazilian reporters listen to President Lula addressing the nation on TVThe ongoing scandal involving allegations that the Workers Party (PT) paid bribes to members of other parties in return for their votes in Congress is producing new revelations almost every day. There have been so many developments that it is virtually impossible to see the overall picture.

One thing is clear: President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva may soon be fighting for his political life. His unimpressive "address to the nation" today shows that he still does not seem to appreciate the seriousness of his position. 

Things have reached such a stage that we can no longer assume that Lula will last out his mandate. He may be impeached by Congress or give up and resign. Such an idea would have been almost unthinkable only a few weeks ago when he appeared to be riding out the storm.

It still is rather distant - and for the sake of stability let us hope it does not occur - but the President's position has gradually weakened as the scandal has unfolded and come closer to him. 

Instead of assuming leadership and controlling events as best he could, he has turned his back on Brasília. He has returned to his natural constituency - organized labor and the poorer section of society - to show that he still enjoys widespread popular support.

He has made more than a dozen ad hoc speeches throughout the country over a period of two weeks. Some have been emotional and mawkish and given the impression of someone under great stress who needs emotional support rather than a leader trying to confront a grave problem. 

Offhand Apology

When he finally chose to address the nation today he did so in a rather offhand way at a meeting of his ministerial team. A proper address directly to the people would have been more appropriate. Instead he spoke for a mere five minutes or so.

He said he was angry at the revelations and felt betrayed by unacceptable practices within the PT of which he had had no knowledge. He called for those involved to be punished and said the government and the PT should apologize to the Brazilian people.

He made no specific reference to any allegation and mentioned no names. Maybe he was being deliberately low key in an attempt to dampen down the fires. On the other hand, he maybe  was deliberately vague in order to avoid saying anything which could have been questioned or examined too closely. He certainly did not convince the doubters. 

He will certainly not convince a large part of the media which is quite openly gunning for him. Lula is walking a tightrope and many press ghouls are hoping he falls - without caring about the consequences for the country.

The reporting in sections of the press - such as the "Estado" and "Folha" newspapers of São Paulo and Veja magazine - has been biased to say the least.

Since the Congressional committees (CPIs) are not expected to make their first reports until December, this means we face several more months of spin by the media on the upcoming "discoveries," allegations, denials and counter-denials.

Lula may feel he can ignore this since most Brazilians are too poor to buy papers like the "Estado" and "Folha" (2.50 reais - US$ 1.2) or Veja (7.50 reais - US$ 3.30) but many of the middle-class voters who supported him do.

They get their versions of what is happening through the eyes of the reporters, columnists and editors of these publications. By disdaining or snubbing the press - even the hostile section - Lula is making a mistake and underestimating its aims.

Every paper or magazine is hoping to be the one which publishes the damning evidence showing his direct knowledge of or involvement in the scandal.

We saw this just today when the weekly Época magazine appeared one day earlier with a claim by a former leader of the Liberal Party (PL), Valdemar Costa Neto, that Lula had known that the party wanted payment in return for its support in the presidential election. 

When the Cat's Away...

He also needs to pay more attention to what is happening in Congress. While the cat's away the mouse will play and the CPIs are bringing increasingly bad news for the President and the PT.

The allegation by publicist Duda Mendonça, made Thursday, August 11, that the PT had told him to set up a secret bank account in the Bahamas to receive payments for service rendered in various election and publicity campaigns, was a particular blow.

Mendonça has been given much credit for Lula's landslide victory over José Serra in the second round of the election in 2002. Under Mendonça's guidance, Lula shed his leftist image for a "peace and love" approach known as "Lula Light," which helped persuade many middle-class voters to drop their objections to him. 

Mendonça's testimony was also another setback for the PT. He told a CPI that he had been advised to set up the offshore account by Marcos Valério Fernandes de Souza, the figure at the center of the scandal.

Valério is under investigation on suspicion of being the paymaster behind the scheme to reward those who voted for the government.

Mendonça claimed that R$ 11.5 million (around US$ 5 million) had been paid into this account for his services during Lula's election campaign in 2002. Valério has denied the claim but since he has admitted to lying in the past, his word has little credibility. 

The PT has always claimed the moral high ground, but recent events have shown that when it comes to acting unethically it can teach other parties a lesson. Although some other parties have been involved in this scandal, it is the PT which has been shown to be the greediest for money and power.

The party faces the danger of splitting and morale is plummeting as members and supporters feel they have been betrayed by the party leadership and its shady backroom deals. 

John Fitzpatrick is a Scottish writer and consultant with long experience of Brazil. He is based in São Paulo and runs his own company Celtic Comunicações. This article originally appeared on his site www.brazilpoliticalcomment.com.br. He can be contacted at jf@celt.com.br.

© John Fitzpatrick 2005



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Why bother
written by Guest, August 12, 2005
To write anything in response to Fitzpatrick? It'll just get erased if it doesn't pass the thought police here.
Make me a caipirinha with scotch!
written by Guest, August 12, 2005
Please, make me a caipirinha with scotch whisky!
I know a better solution for the Brazil corrupts politicians. buy a snioper rifle and shot those mother..s in the head!
Make me a caipirinha with scotch!
written by Guest, August 12, 2005
Sounds like another internet american commando...COWARD!

keol
...
written by Guest, August 13, 2005
Veja?????????????????????
written by Guest, August 13, 2005
Why to think for yourself when you have the VEJA Magazine to think for you ,right m Mr Scot

Veja


""""""The Educated Fool Magazine"""""


Veja magazine is a just low class, BIAS , let me think for you magazine.

The job of the midia is to inform. Not think for me

They think they are some kind of Savior of the Brazilian people. Who that hell made these people the next Messias????


Again just inform the point of views of both sides and let me think for myself pleasseeeeeeeeee




LOLLLLLLLLL


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written by Guest, August 13, 2005
I have to agree, I really think Veja is full of crap and i prefer to read ISTOE but thats just me!
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written by Guest, August 13, 2005
Yep, my comment removed. Cowards.
Agreed.
written by Guest, August 13, 2005
It’s called EVASION …erasing unfavorable replies!

keol
Use weed is better to watch TV
written by Guest, August 13, 2005
I smoke a good weed. So I laugh listening those mother...s on CPI's. They are like little kids..I did but I did not know was bad! is a f**king joke..so much for a mature country...Keol, you are like other pussies! you like to kiss your thief politicians asses! Like I said, Any Brazilian like this keol will steal money as those politicians, just give him a chance and you will see he would give the same excuse...I did know as ilegal! I knew something did not smell right, but I'm honest the took chence of mean! yeah right!
Unworthy a response!
written by Guest, August 14, 2005
Ahhh...what the heck:

Comprehend this... punch bag, I could tie both of my hands behind my back, drop my pants around my ankles, and although unable to beat myself, I could still beat you into a quivering pulp of fat witless blubber and feed you into a sausage machine as Gelatin of Tard, Norman.

Your Master, keol.
I Am Not A Crook!
written by Guest, August 14, 2005
Richard, Nixon, circa 1974.


hehehe....keol
Debating Keol
written by Guest, August 14, 2005
When are you going to learn that it is senseless to debate the half wit Keol. He is indeed a rocket scientist with all the answers. If you continue to engage the s**t for brains Keol, no intelligent discussion can ever be had.

I know this will inspire another child like rant from Keol.

The article is thouhfully written as are many of the columns here.Provoking thought is the object of any good writer.
I guess the likes of Keol are the price we pay for his mommy buying him a computer and internet access.
The worst criminals
written by Guest, August 14, 2005
"He said he was angry at the revelations and felt betrayed by unacceptable practices within the PT of which he had had no knowledge. He called for those involved to be punished and said the government and the PT should apologize to the Brazilian people."

Hmm, something wrong with that? What am I missing?

"He certainly did not convince the doubters."

Really?! By "doubters" you mean the people who have always hated Lula, of course. Oh, yes, you are I see: "He will certainly not convince a large part of the media which is quite openly gunning for him."

Marcos Valério Fernandes de Souza…Is this guy in jail yet? And Jefferson too? Seeing Jefferson preening on TV every night is really annoying, and, frankly, it's hard to believe anything that guy has to say. When's he going to jail? All this investigation is great. But, really, some people need to be in jail.

The mensalão, which was Jefferson's initial allegation after he was caught red-handed in a different corrupt act, is discussed daily in Brazil. It's always repeated as though it existed. Yet I've not seen any proof of the payments to non-PT Congressmen for votes. Most of those non-PT Congressmen who allegedly received the mensalão are still in Congress, right? So, I'm wondering, Who were they? Why aren't they being hunted down as the alleged criminals they are? They are the ones who, if the allegations are true, actually betrayed the public's trust by selling their most precious votes, which represent the voices of their constituents. Those who paid them merely gave them what they demanded. Although they prostituted themselves, they certainly cannot play the role of the prostitute victim of circumstances. If the allegations are true, the public should be more outraged that these people sold their influence than that someone bought them. Though both acts should be punished under the law, the biggest political punishment should be meted out to those who betrayed their constituents, democracy, and the country by selling their votes.
Mr. Fitzpatrick
written by Guest, August 14, 2005
I'll admit. I've been negatively impressed by Mr. Fitzpatrick, based on past articles I've seen and based on comments that have been written by him in relation to other articles. I challenged the identity of the poster, but it seemed that it was indeed, Mr. Fitzpatrick. The comments were crude and spiteful. I thought that they could not be the comments of an educated person. At any rate, this article has altered my (mis)perception of Mr. Fitzpatrick. It is not too awful, though, as the post above points out, like the rest of the people reporting on the "crisis," the focus is too much on the PT and not the other participants in the "shady dealings" (and lets face it, there's no party in Brazil that doesn't deserve an investigation into "shady dealings," now is there?). It would also be nice to see him disavow the random posts claiming to be signed by him which caused me to understand that Fitzpatrick is no friend of Brazil.
I am yet to see…
written by Guest, August 14, 2005
one positive comment rolling out of Mr. Fitzpatrick’s mouth when the subject is Brasil. I determined his opinion to be maliciously biased and thus, irrelevant.

keol
Re: I am yet to see…
written by Guest, August 14, 2005
That may be true. This one was not so awful, maybe there's an editor involved. But believe me, keol, I've seen what you're talking about.
Challenge
written by Guest, August 14, 2005
So, somebody, please meet my challenge:

Has the mensalão been proven at all? Is there a scrap of evidence other than the statements of a known criminal (Jefferson)?

I'm really curious. I've seen alot of other corruption unearthed, affecting many parties, but this mensalão (a word you hear 100 times a day on the TV here) seems to remain unproven.
And don\'t forget either
written by Guest, August 14, 2005
Oh, and please, let's not forget to put in jail the businessmen who are behind all this corruption. I mean, if it's wrong for a politician to pay another politician for votes (it is) then it's also wrong for a busniessman to pay a politician for votes.
...
written by Guest, August 14, 2005
So, somebody, please meet my challenge:

Has the mensalão been proven at all? Is there a scrap of evidence other than the statements of a known criminal (Jefferson)?

That is what the CPI is currently doing..

I'm really curious. I've seen alot of other corruption unearthed, affecting many parties, but this mensalão (a word you hear 100 times a day on the TV here) seems to remain unproven.

Give it time. Impeachment is the new word you are going to be hearing 100 times a day on TV shortly.
James Stolarczyk
written by Guest, August 14, 2005
I do not understand all the snide remarks, Lula admited the scandal is real. The only question is how high up did it go. Since Lula denies any knowledge, until evidence appears otherwise that is where it stands, I assure you I am no fan of Lula. However, he is the most powerful politician in the Workers Party, it seems impossible he did not know. Unless, he does not really have any control over his party or he is a poor manager. Either way he coming out of this very badly. Many Brasilians may not be able to afford a paper, but they hear details and they know what corruption and abuse of power is. They have seen it before. The real question is will the Workers Party survive and if it does will it be weakened?
Re: James Stolarczyk
written by Guest, August 14, 2005
"Lula admited the scandal is real."

I think you're wrong. No one has ever admitted to the mensalão (alleged $12,000 per month payments to members of Congress in return for favorable votes), and to my knowledge there has been no evidence of it other than Jefferson's claims.

Lula apologized for other abuses of the PT, like improper campaign financing, and he said the PT should apologize to the people. Clearly there is corruption in the political parties of Brazil. That much is clear. But this mensalão seems to be a fiction at this point.

As for proving what was known by Lula or not, we'll have to see. But again, no politician should avoid scrutiny. The investigations have shown improper dealings by most parties. No one should fixate too much on the PT, except for the fact that everyone seemed to believe that they were free from the normal corruption that exists and has existed for decades.

His party? Control? He is not the president of the PT! He does not control the PT. Why is that hard to understand? Now, whether he was aware of what people in his adminstration were doing is another question. That remains to be seen. And don't give me this, he either knew or he's incompetent nonsense! Unless you are some kind of paranoid control freak who bugs the offices of you own people, then people can do all sorts of things without one's knowledge. Silly people like to say that "if a president of a corporation, etc.…" Well, that's misinformed too. It all depends on the facts. There's no strict liability that runs personally to the president of a corporation or a country for the fraud of one's employees.
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written by Guest, August 14, 2005
"Give it time. Impeachment is the new word you are going to be hearing 100 times a day on TV shortly."

Oh, that's what I'm doing. But people like you aren't. Daily people talk about the mensalão, but not one scrap of evidence has come out. If they had any, they'd be pasting it all over the news. Impeachment? Right. A new word? Nope. They've already bandied that one around. But, everyone realizes that's not in anyone's interests. Not going to happen, but they'll keep talking about it. In fact, a recent NYT story (the writer is a Lula hater and hob-nobber with the elite) claims that the elite are happy to paint Lula as incompetent rather than go for impeachment since he's been so conservative in his economic policy. Sure. If they had evidence that implicated him directly in anything, they'd be going for it. I'll believe it when I see it.

Silence…no one has met the challenge. I'm not saying one way or the other, but I'm just really curious, because we hear about the mensalão daily, but it remains unproven. And I do sincerely believe that if there were a scrap of evidence it would be all over the news 24/7, because the elite newspapers can't stand Lula, and never could. Yet Lula remains fairly popular…We'll see what happens.
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written by Guest, August 14, 2005
Silence…no one has met the challenge.

Why are you asking here? You think that someone posting on this thread holds the smoking gun? The CPI investigating the “big monthly” is doing just that, investigating. Ask your political leaders for proof, not a group of idiots on the internet.

There is more than enough smoke to continue the investigation, and as well, Lula´s remarks were incredibly turgid. He apologized, oh that he did, but did not specify to which corruption scandal that apology was aimed. Take that as you might – it was politics, pure and simple. As for proof, I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and await the investigations findings (oh, I do believe it happened, I’m just not convinced he knew, although there are now allegations to this affect as well). It is getting more and more difficult to follow this story given new daily accusations of the misappropriation of political funds. Remember, this started out as a scandal about the mail company, and has since burgeoned into an “everyone is a corrupt greedy liar” circus.

Like we never knew that.
...
written by Guest, August 14, 2005
"Ask your political leaders for proof, not a group of idiots on the internet."

That's funny, since you seem to be so "well informed"! Okay, you're right, you're an idiot. Sorry I asked.
...
written by Guest, August 14, 2005
Brazil's Lula Apologizes. Ally Says He Knew All. Impeachment Is on the Cards.
This article appeared originally in Mercopress - www.mercopress.com.
Saturday, 13 August 2005

Brazilian President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva apologized Friday, August 12, in a nationwide address for a bribery and campaign finance scandal while the head of a junior party in the ruling coalition said for the first time that the President was aware of misdeeds before they occurred.

"The government and the Workers' Party have to ask for forgiveness from the Brazilian people" said Lula da Silva in a short, solemn speech at the presidential ranch in which he denied knowledge of any wrongdoing.

The scandal centers on accusations that the Workers' Party bribed Congress members to back legislation and used undeclared financing, mostly skimmed from government owned companies or from private corporations with specific interests, for the 2002 election campaigns.

In his speech the former union leader said he felt "betrayed by unacceptable actions" and called for the reform of political financing rules that he has blamed for luring off-the-books money into the system.

"I'm conscious of the gravity of the political crisis. It hurts the entire party system," he said. "It is the duty of the government to stop the crisis from contaminating the economy."

Although several top officials have resigned because of the scandal, Lula da Silva who was elected president in October 2002 had so far not been directly implicated and opinion polls showed almost unscathed support.

But this week a former Congress member said Lula da Silva was aware of undeclared campaign funding by his ruling Workers' Party.

"Lula was in the next room. He knew we were negotiating numbers," former Liberal Party head Valdemar Costa Neto told Época magazine in an interview.

The Liberal Party is an ally of the Workers' Party. Costa Neto said the PL agreed to join the coalition because Lula's Workers Party promised to pay the group 10 million Reais, approximately US$ 4.5 million.

He provided details of a meeting he said he held with Lula, vice president José Alencar, former presidential chief of staff José Dirceu and former PT treasurer Delúbio Soares. Lula was there to seal the deal, Costa Neto said.

"Lula, José Dirceu and Delúbio are part of the same family. You can't just crucify one of them," said Costa Neto, who resigned from Congress last August 1st after admitting to having taken the irregular funding.

For the first time since the scandal that has rocked Brazil emerged, a public opinion poll published by the DataFolha opinion research firm showed Lula da Silva would be defeated by São Paulo Mayor José Serra in a run-off vote should the opposition Social Democratic Party, or PSDB, politician choose to run for president October 2006.

Even before the latest allegations surfaced, the opposition confirmed it is consulting attorneys about the shortest routes to impeaching the president. Although opposition parties PSDB and the conservative Liberal Front, PFL, said impeachment is not their first choice, "that seems where the crisis is heading".

Lower House deputy speaker, José Thomas Nonô added, "even if the moderates want to prevent it, we are on the road to impeachment". One such moderate is House Speaker Severino Cavalcanti, who considers it "hasty" to speak of impeaching Lula, "though it can't be ruled out".
...
written by Guest, August 14, 2005
You believe it happend? Based on what? You are indeed an idiot. All I did was ask if anyone had seen any article or other information on this. Aparently you are illiterate, so you can't understand that. So far, no one has been able to point to any such evidence having been reported, not even someone as sure as you. That's exactly the problem I'm pointing out. Fools like you are "sure" based on no evidence whatsoever. Don't get angry at me for asking a question that you haven't an answer for.
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written by Guest, August 14, 2005
That's funny, since you seem to be so "well informed"! Okay, you're right, you're an idiot. Sorry I asked.

Since you think I seem so "well informed", why would I be an idiot? Like that made sense!
mercopress article
written by Guest, August 14, 2005
That's the first time I've seen the speach depicted in that way. You can believe that he admitted to the existance of the mensalão if you want, but I don't think he did, based on the many other articles I've read, and watching the nightly national news here in Brazil.
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written by Guest, August 14, 2005
"Since you think I seem so 'well informed', why would I be an idiot? Like that made sense!"

It's called sarcasm. Look it up.
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written by Guest, August 14, 2005
Aside from the first sentence of the mercopress.com article, which appears to be a misrepresentation, the rest of the article only refers to the PT's illegal campaign financing. That's what he admitted to and what he apologized for. The mensalão is different, and I do not believe Lula or anyone has admitted to it as yet. I'm not saying it didn't exist, but it's curious that it hasn't been proven. I could also be mistaken and Lula did admit to the mensalão, but I don't think so.
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written by Guest, August 14, 2005
How could I possibly be illiterate when I am sitting in from of a computer and typing? Do you even KNOW what “illiterate” means? This speaks volume to your character and your ability to rationally have a dialogue. If basic terms such as “illiteracy” elude you, how on God’s green earth are you going to follow a political mess like that which is unfolding in this country?
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written by Guest, August 14, 2005
Good lord you are an idiot if you cannot understand the concepts of sarcasm and hyperbole. Go away!
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written by Guest, August 14, 2005
Nice one, your OHHH so clever.
Illiterate
written by Guest, August 14, 2005
Noun
(n) illiterate, illiterate person, nonreader (a person unable to read)

Adjective
(adj) illiterate (not able to read or write)
(adj) ignorant, illiterate (uneducated in the fundamentals of a given art or branch of learning; lacking knowledge of a specific field) "she is ignorant of quantum mechanics"; "he is musically illiterate"
(adj) illiterate (lacking culture, especially in language and literature)

Finally: An idiot who can't understand sarcasm, hyperbole, or irony. In short, you, sir.
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written by Guest, August 14, 2005
"Nice one, your OHHH so clever." Yes, that's very true. Thank you. smilies/wink.gif (See, the little winking face symbol means I understand that you were being sarcastic and that I am being ironic. See how this works?)
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written by Guest, August 14, 2005
By the way, I don't really think you're an idiot or illiterate. But the fact that you are so sure of the unknown facts is disturbing. You are Brazilian and you heard the speach or at least heard the news on the television. Though American readers think this thing is already proven, you can't seriously know that, can you?
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written by Guest, August 14, 2005
Sarcasm, my wannabe learned friend, usually involves wit, which your posts are drearily devoid of. If you will also take a good look at your Webster’s dictionary posting, you’ll see qualifiers in the use of the word illiterate. Hence, s/he is “musically” illiterate. The word “illiterate”, on it’s own, signifies a “person without the ability to read” as was the crux of your original, irrational and rather childish post.

Now you can either continue the discussion as an adult, or you can continue to throw your toys about the room spewing vulgarities. The choice is yours.
With Power comes responsibility!
written by Guest, August 15, 2005
"Silly people like to say that "if a president of a corporation, etc.…" Well, that's misinformed too. It all depends on the facts. There's no strict liability that runs personally to the president of a corporation or a country for the fraud of one's employees".

My friend, tell that to the CEOs of ENRON, ELF and Lesotho to name a few. I will admit to not being familiar with the Workers Parties structure, I will take your statement at face value that Lula is not the leader of the party. Regardless he is the face of the party to the world. Corruption does not belong exclusively to any country, political party or corporation. It occurs, we deal with it and move on. Lula can pars words and not actually admit to any corruption ("that depends on what is..is"). But, I think we both need to wait for all the evidence before I convict and you so stoutly defend Lula.
Why did he ask forgiveness then?
written by Guest, August 15, 2005
Why would Lula apoligize and ask for forgiveness if no wrong doing happened? Some of you people need to go back a reread some of the stupid crap you write here. Keol your an idiot!
"Contempt proir to investigation will be a man in everlasting ingnorance"
Herbert Spencer


Wjat comes next?
written by Guest, August 15, 2005
"In Italy for thirty yeard under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love; they had five hundred years of democracy and peace and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock."

Orson Welles to Joseph Cotten in The Third Man, 1949

I wonder, what are we going to produce in Brazil under Lula?
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written by Guest, August 15, 2005
"My friend, tell that to the CEOs of ENRON, ELF and Lesotho to name a few."

You will find that it's not strict liability (liability without knowledge of wrongdoing). It depends on the facts. You are just plain wrong.
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written by Guest, August 15, 2005
"Sarcasm, my wannabe learned friend, usually involves wit, which your posts are drearily devoid of."

I'm afraid you are illiterate when it comes to humor then also.
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written by Guest, August 15, 2005
"Why would Lula apoligize and ask for forgiveness if no wrong doing happened?"

As far as I know he did not "ask for forgiveness." He apologized for the abuses of party members and of members of his administration. A decent thing to do. He also denied any prior knowlege of such wrongdoing. And I did not say that there was no wrongdoing. My question was simple: Has anyone seen evidence of the mensalão? You are indeed illiterate (incapable of reading comprehension) if you do not understand that. I've grown weary of any further argument with you, because you are either deliberately being obtuse or you are genuinely stupid. In either case, you are wasting my time.
I am not Keol
written by Guest, August 15, 2005
I am not Keol. But you are a moron.

Good day.
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written by Guest, August 15, 2005
"spewing vulgarities"

Not one vulgarity can be cited…sorry.
This self called Master Keol...
written by Guest, August 15, 2005
The true: is a Brazilian, but thjis f**ker lives in USA..talk about loving his f**king country!Hey Keol, how much is the dollar? Is what he is worried everyday...stronger dollar so he can buy land, or cows cheap...and ride his new truck when visiting Brazil!
Keol, you are fake!
Seu Mestre...
written by Guest, August 15, 2005
CHUPA SUA FDP…e aí paralítica cerebral dos cangote profundo, bate com a cabeça na parede várias vezes! Tem Culpa Eu?

Beijos nas nádegas…do seu keol querido!

hahaha…kkkkk, viada problemática.

Yeah, He is..
written by Guest, August 15, 2005
Keol is a Brazilian living in the USA. He f**ks gays for money, and pay prostitutes to have with women..What a loser!
[B]Yeah, He is..[/B]
written by Guest, August 15, 2005

Written by Butt Cheddar on 2005-08-15 13:24:12

Creole is a american living in Brasil. He plucks gays for honey, and way prostitutes to have with wool men. What a closer!
Jornal Nacional
written by Guest, August 15, 2005
Breaking news:
The famous Keol tell he gets all his information on "Globo international". He loves "Mais Voce" where he gets a political view of a blonde and plus "receitas"for his man a night! what a morden Brazilian man, or how the say in America "gay"
hehehe...
written by Guest, August 15, 2005
Jornal Nacional Babaca Encima:

Shut up before I come over there and kick your nuts so hard they dislodge your tonsils into where your eyeballs used to be right before I grabbed your mother's dildo out of your father's ass and used it to poke your brain out through the back of your John Merrick cranium, Mr. Monotone Drone!

hehehe...keol...hahaha

kkkkkkkkkk
Jornal Nacional
written by Guest, August 15, 2005
What kind of rap is that? All that to say you wanna beat me! By the way, I'm sure you are a transsexual. How I know! You answer too fast, only a woman would be at home in the computer this at time..So your man working to bring money for your operation, and you at home messing with computer and baking bread to sell in your neighborhood! How sweet!
Now grabbing a dildo fromma ass to beat someone, That's a really freak fantasy! only you Keol, such a loss of sperm! That's why a favor Embrionic Stem Cell Researchs, We may kill one Albert Einstein in a 1,000 cell but sure we will kill 200 of Keol!
like you do...KAKAKA..KA..KA!
You Big Dummie...
written by Guest, August 16, 2005
in German: Leck mich am arsc!

hehehe

keol
!!!!
written by Guest, August 16, 2005
The article is absolutely correct.
What I find strange are the people insisting on Valerio and Jefferson !
- As clearly defined, VAlerio was the adman !
On behalf and for who ????? This is the question that everyone has an answer....by now !!!! It is the same with the commandited and paid crime......such as sister Dorothy in the Amazon !!!! The murderer is in jail...but not the ones who decided and paid for the crime !!!!
Should the chiefs of a gang not go in prison if they ordered one or more of their members to kill someone ???????
Do not be so sure
written by Guest, August 17, 2005
"You will find that it's not strict liability (liability without knowledge of wrongdoing). It depends on the facts. You are just plain wrong"

You are looking for a gray area in a black and white world. You do not know what Lula knew and when, nor do I. I will withold further judgement and keep an open mind, can you do that?
Um, what?
written by Guest, August 17, 2005
"'You will find that it's not strict liability (liability without knowledge of wrongdoing). It depends on the facts. You are just plain wrong'

You are looking for a gray area in a black and white world. You do not know what Lula knew and when, nor do I. I will withold further judgement and keep an open mind, can you do that?"

What? I think you're confused. I know I am.
Keol
written by Guest, August 17, 2005
I think he's okay. A little too quick on the trigger, often a pain in the ass, thinks he's smarter and more clever than he really is, but he's much smarter and more clever than most of the complete morons who post comments (see, e.g., James Stolarczyk, above, and James H in other posts). Keep giving them hell, man.
...
written by Guest, April 07, 2006
keol, you dummkopf!
in German it's : Leck mich am arsch!

stel dayn kepele
tvishn dayne fiselakh
makh a lokh
gey arop
un fres!

quem que pode o ajudar, faz favor . . .

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