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Brazil's Gun Lobby Launches Hysterical Campaign Against Arms Ban PDF Print E-mail
2005 - October 2005
Written by John Fitzpatrick   
Monday, 17 October 2005 06:57

Handgun in BrazilHuman life in Brazil is cheap, regardless of your social status. Violent crime affects every section of society although the victims are usually those at the bottom. The murderers are seldom caught. Those who are convicted go free within a few years - that is if they survive the hell of a crowded prison.

This means that thousands of convicted killers and thousands more who have never been caught are walking around the streets among the rest of us. In theory the law should protect those who respect it and punish those who break it but no-one who lives here seriously expects the law to play its role.

The laws are broken by the elected politicians who create them, the police who should enforce them, the judges who should apply them the general public which should obey them,

Since people know the police will not protect them, they take measures to protect themselves. For most middle-class people this consists of having the entrance to their apartment building permanently manned and the identities of visitors checked.

When walking in the street people do not carry lots of cash or valuables and are constantly on the lookout. The richer class, which feels itself more threatened by kidnappers and robbers, hires body guards. It is common to see these people traveling in convoys of armored cars in the more affluent areas of São Paulo.

When a rich housewife goes shopping she will be accompanied by her dark-suited bodyguards with their trade mark SUVs, sunglasses, guns and radios. This is also a common sight outside the more exclusive schools attended by the children of the rich. Some residential buildings and mansions have armed guards outside the entrance 24 hours a day.

Taking Care of Yourself the Rich Way

It is easy to ridicule these people but the threat is real and the bodyguards, at this level, are professional. About five years ago a thief was foolish enough to try and rob the son of one of Brazil's richest businessmen when his car stopped at a traffic light just off Avenida Paulista.

The thief's method was to conceal a gun inside a bunch of flowers he was allegedly selling and approach rich-looking motorists wearing Rolexes and other fancy watches. However, this man's father had been the victim of a previous kidnapping and the family had learned its lesson. There was an armed bodyguard inside his car, others in two accompanying cars and another on a motorbike.

The motorcyclist spotted the thief's gun and the bodyguards earned their pay that day by riddling the bogus flower seller with bullets. They then drove of at top speed as though they were guarding the president of the United States, leaving the lifeless body of the criminal on the street for other people to deal with.

Good for them, you might say. However, how do those of us who do not have such efficient bodyguards protect ourselves? Should we arm ourselves too and blast away at the thieves and murderers amongst us? Or should we continue to obey the police advice and cooperate with the thieves and let them rob us blind in the hope that they will at least spare our lives?

This latter approach is a kind of Brazilian social contract in which the poorer, more desperate elements in society are allowed to pick off the occasional victim from the higher class while not challenging the status quo. It is like a scene from an African plane in which a group of hyenas or wild dogs tracks a herd of gazelles, targets one, chases it until it is exhausted and then tears it to pieces.

The rest of the herd watch helplessly, relieved that none of them is that day's particular sacrifice in the social ritual. The dust soon settles, the gazelles go back to cropping the grass and life resumes until the next onslaught.

Let no-one think I am exaggerating here. I have watched gangs of adolescents target motorists in the old center of São Paulo and seen street children trying to snatch bags from women and run off only a few yards to await the next victim. They are quite brazen about it since they know they are unlikely to be caught or punished.

The death squads, which local shopkeepers used to hire to kill these street children, are a thing of the past. I also know several people who have been robbed at gunpoint and two people who have been kidnapped and forced to withdraw money from automatic cash dispensers.

One relative was later phoned by thieves who made frightening comments about her young daughter whose photo they had found among her personal belongings. In none of these cases have any of the criminals been brought to justice. It is estimated that only 37% of crimes in São Paulo are reported to the police.

Crime Has Low Place on Political Agenda

Foreigners are often surprised at how crime is accepted here as though it were a force of nature. It is barely a political issue at all. Everyone moans about crime and violence but no political party uses crime-bashing as a policy issue. Ironically one of the few politicians who used to talk tough on crime is Paulo Maluf, who is currently in detention himself on accusations of committing massive fraud when he was mayor of São Paulo.

No political party has called for the restoration of the death penalty, for example, even though Brazil has one of the highest murder rates in the world. Figures show that over 36,000 people were shot to death last year - almost 100 people a day. Yet the issue of restoring the death penalty is not even on the agenda.

Nor are there any moves to change the absurd laws which treat those below the age of 18 as minors. This means that 15, 16 and 17-year old murderers, rapists, robbers and drug traffickers are sent off to centers for juvenile delinquents rather than being treated as adults and incarcerated in prisons. Riots and break-outs from these juvenile detention centers are so common as to have become routine.

It was, therefore, heartening to see the government take the initiative to give Brazilians the chance to vote on a move to ban the sale of guns and ammunition. A referendum on the issue will be held on October 23. One can hardly imagine a simpler, better way to make a start at reducing violence than an all-out ban.

However, the issue has led to a backlash from a lobby which claims that we, as citizens, will somehow be losing part of our freedom by trying to reduce the number of arms in circulation. There are an estimated 17 million guns in Brazil - one for every 10 inhabitants - of which 8.5 million are held illegally.

The gun lobby sees nothing wrong with increasing this obscene number of firearms as though more guns will bring more peace. More guns will bring more profits for the arms manufacturers and more deaths for the general population.

Supporters of the ban are not naïve enough to think that it will lead to an end or even a significant reduction in violence. However, it is a starting point and will save lives simply by the fact that there will be fewer arms around just as seat belts save lives in car accidents. People with guns in their homes are more likely to use them during rows with their families or neighbors or to commit suicide than to defend themselves from thieves.

Supporters of the ban also know that it will have an economic effect on the arms production industry and lead to job losses. However, this is the price to be paid for a gun-free society. The tobacco industry has managed to cope with restrictions on the advertising and sale of its products and the arms industry will have to do likewise.

Malicious Media Campaign Against Ban

However, those who are against the ban have mounted a vicious, malicious, campaign, full of dubious statistics and inaccurate comparisons with other countries, claiming that the move will leave us helpless at the hands of armed gangs. They also claim that our freedom is being eroded by the state as though the right to own a gun is sacred.

In one of the most disgraceful examples of biased journalism I have ever seen, Veja magazine recently ran a cover story entitled Seven Reasons to Vote No. This issue was full of loaded hectoring articles trying to bully the reader into accepting its views.

The argument for banning gun sales was dismissed. This was too much even for Brazil's normally clannish media and a rival magazine had a cover story giving seven reasons in favor of the ban and seven against. Some columnists criticized Veja but most are filling space by trying to frighten us about the dire consequences of voting Yes.

Pro-ban campaigners like actress Fernanda Montenegro, who is normally treated like a goddess, have been accused of being naïve do-gooders who are basically helping drug traffickers and bank robbers. TV adverts have appeared showing teenagers, often black and of mixed race, urging people to vote No.

This kind of targeting is particularly disgusting since these youngsters represent the community which suffers most from violence - the inhabitants of favelas where the murder rates are much higher than in middle class areas.

It is a pity that some of Brazil's sporting and musical personalities have not played a role in this campaign since many of them come from deprived backgrounds and would lend credibility. The churches could also have played a more prominent part.

The pressure from the anti-ban movement has had an effect and polls show a big reduction in support for the ban. It is now quite possible that there will be a small majority against the ban. Should this happen the gun lobby will be jubilant but it will be a hollow triumph. It has put forward no proposals to replace the current situation in which there are already too many guns in circulation.

The idea that the private citizen will be protected from criminals because arms and weapons will continue to be sold is a sick joke. However, the gun lobby is more interested in protecting an industry which profits from death and pontificating about freedom than protecting human lives.

John Fitzpatrick is a Scottish writer and consultant with long experience of Brazil. He is based in São Paulo and runs his own company Celtic Comunicações. This article originally appeared on his site www.brazilpoliticalcomment.com.br. He can be contacted at jf@celt.com.br.

© John Fitzpatrick 2005



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written by Guest, October 17, 2005




. in view of the comments and details in your article...I could only be in favor of having the right to defend myself....which means I am in favor of having a right to have a gun !!!!
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written by Guest, October 17, 2005
do Liberal jews side up with the criminals like they do in the USA ? which by the way is becoming more jewish and black and less white!!
I congratulate you!
written by Guest, October 17, 2005
Well thought out and argued sensibly. I absolutely agree that the gun ban should be passed. I doubt it will be because of the deceptive gun lobby. But what else is new?
watcher
written by Guest, October 17, 2005
Well written article however it only addresses the first half of the problem. To think that by banning gun sales will stop criminality is naive and extremely risky. All it will do is create a black market raising the prices of guns, which will primarily be negotiated among criminals. There will be no solution whatsoever unless the process starts first by disarming the criminals, the drug traffic and such. I am all for stopping the sales of guns, but not before making sure the bad guys are under control and don't have theirs. I am sure good citizens would have no use for body guards or having guns if they weren't threatened. Poverty has a big role in it and is a whole other chapter that should denounce those who illegaly stand to benefit the most from the status quo. Let's stop the wishfull think approach and objectively understand that first we must remove guns from the bad people and only then the government will possibly have a case to remove arms from the rest of the population. It is simple common sense.
Seat belts!? I don\'t think so!
written by Guest, October 17, 2005
Obviously, you've never had gun in your face. Allowing only criminals to possess guns (the factual result of banning legally held guns), only leads to more violent crime. It is a proven fact that any city in which news reports inidicate an increase the purchase of firearms, there is a resultant decrease in crime. When criminals know that citizens have guns to protect themselves, the cowardly criminals sneak off and commit their crimes in less defended cities. That's a fact! Vote NO! Gun bans only make it easier for criminals to kill honest citizens.

There are other issues such as violence in the home but studys have shown that killers will kill. They use whatever weapon than can find. The police are undermanned and underpaid. At the very least, the government should let the people defend themselves when no one else can! Vote NO!!!
Oh please
written by Guest, October 17, 2005
Your support for the ban is as “…full of dubious statistics and inaccurate comparisons…” as you claim your opponents to be. Just to point out a few…

“Supporters of the ban are not naïve enough to think that it will lead to an end or even a significant reduction in violence.”… That’s funny… their TV commercials seem to suggest that this is exactly what will happen.

A gun ban will save lives “…just as seat belts save lives in car accidents…” Oh, come on!

“TV adverts have appeared showing teenagers, often black and of mixed race, urging people to vote No.” Hmm… now offering equal time to people of all races in a TV commercial is a bad thing? I’ve seen these commercials. I see people of all races, classes and ages voicing an opinion. Suggesting that they are targeting a “black and mixed race youth audience” is borderline paranoid. And what about the pro-ban lobby using TV stars and musicians to endorse their campaign? That’s not pandering to a youth audience?

And now, your biggest inaccuracy of all: “It is now quite possible that there will be a small majority against the ban.” I suspect the ban will fail by a large majority. You seem to think you have your “finger on the pulse” of Brazilian society. On October 24th, we’ll see just how wrong you are. If I’m wrong, I’ll be right back here with an apology. If you’re wrong, would you be big enough to admit it?

- Quem
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written by Guest, October 17, 2005
In view of the startling statistics on homocides due to gun violence in Brasil, I think you should arm every citizen with a "Six Shooter."

If the the thieves attack one citizen, then they will have to worry about the citizen right behind them that may just blow them away.

This is the only thing a criminal understands, DEADLY FORCE!!!!
Liberal American Jews?
written by Guest, October 18, 2005
Now that's a laugh. Another American racist stereotype implying that all blacks are criminals who get off lightly with the help of liberal Jews. We don't want to talk about the number of whites who are not even prosecuted because they are WHITE. America has the most crooked, money oriented prison system in the world. People of color are crammed into these prisons (innocence or guilt is of no concern) only to keep prison investors happy happy happy.

If the criminal injustice (I mean justice) system of America really worked the entire White House would be on full lockdown. We all know who the real thieves and murderers are now don't we?
Missing the point
written by Exadios, October 18, 2005
Brasil has a crime problem - not a gun problem. And that problem will persist as long as the massive economic and social inequalities, that now exist, continue.

In my view the proposed gun ban is just an attempt to implement a quick fix and will fail in its objective of reducing violent crime and the rate of homicides.
BRAVO MISSING THE POINT.
written by Guest, October 18, 2005
I DO AGREE WITH YOU . BUT AT THE SAME TIME I DO BELEVIE EVERY CITIZEN OF BRAZIL SHOULD HAVE TO RIGHT TO HAVE GUNS TO PROTECT THERE FAMILY .
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written by Guest, October 18, 2005
The pro-gun nuts sure do have the most transparently facile arguments. Pure sophistry. The only person making a decent argument is the Missing the point post.
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written by Guest, October 18, 2005
Excellent article once again. As a foreigner living in Brazil I am definately in favour of a ban of fire arms. I have been a victim of gun crime and there is no way I was going to try and "defend myself" as I know for a fact it would have ended a lot worse than it did. Men and women with guns kill or are killed with guns - Fact. Arguements for pro-gun lobby just do not wash with me. I know it will not fix the problem of violent crime here in Brazil but it is a step in the right direction. All you have to look at is the statistics for gun related deaths and crime in the UK and compare it to the USA and you will see your answer. Get rid of guns from Brazilian society now.
To have a gun and know to...
written by Guest, October 18, 2005
There's a big line in having a gun and know to defend yourself. People in any place in the world tend to shoot himself or kill someone faster than most people, imagine if a person needs a gun to protect himself or defend, he needs to spend more money at year in training and shooting..yeah, right, any Brazilian will say, I know already don't need , like the driving they are the best in the world! In Brazil case most gun death cases are not related to crimes, but for normal day life people piss off for something! last night was a rival soccer fans, unbelivable. Most people when talking about guns/deaths/crimes think in Rio de Janeiro..me too, but is not only there..to ban guns we need police, to ban guns we need to ban any other white weapons, more control on boozes, later nights bars, clubes, f**k...is not the gun is the people have to learn to respect others and law!
Good article
written by Guest, October 18, 2005
"but for normal day life people piss off for something!"

I agree - most of the violent cases I hear about while visiting is the result of just that: some drunken middle-class teen, with daddy’s gun and no sense or some pissed off motorist because he was flipped the bird. You know that law-abiding sector of Brazilian society?- (rolling my eyes).

The ban will not drastically reduce crime, and the referendum is another way for the Brazilian Government to wash their hands of the problem of violence in Brazil. Still, fewer guns in this country will make me breathe at least a little easier while visiting – which I do 2 or 3 times a year.

Now, to combat the real problem of violence: hire police officers who have at least double digit IQs; train and pay them well; start hanging/gassing /frying the repeat offenders instead of letting them out early because of prison over-crowding, or bribing; and mandatory life sentences for all those using a fire-arm in the commission of a crime (middle class daddy’s boy included too – NOT just the under privileged) and legalize, regulate and tax soft drug use will go a long way to cleaning out the streets up a bit. As the author points out, there is no deterrent to committing crimes. The police, judicial system, and prison system are just appalling and only a fraction of cases are ever solved. Turn that around, show you mean business, and watch that 39,000 murders yearly number drop.

One other thing, stop listening to the bleeding hearts who think the problem of crime ANYWHERE in the world can be solved with a loaf of bread and a community center.
A good one
written by Guest, October 18, 2005
US President Bush was being briefed on the day’s events and at one point he was informed that 3 Brazilian troops had died in Haiti. Bush was obviously distressed and asked (since he doesn’t read the paper) if this important story was in the papers. “Well, some of the larger papers” he was told. “I should hope so!” he said. “This is a tradastrophy! . . . On the front part, right? Where they put the big stuff and the pictures.” Everyone looked puzzled. “Figuresss. Those mediums is dis-asssemblersss . . . That means not telling the truth.” After a while, Bush said he wanted to have a national day of “morning” (they knew what he meant), “You know, a minute of silentude in ressspect for . . . in prayer . . . against those that would do us harm . . . for our fallen . . .” his voice trailing off in thought. More puzzled still, everyone waited for what would come next. “Rummy?” he asked, “Sound's like a lot to me, but tell me. Just how many is a brazilian soldiers?”
bigfish
written by Guest, October 18, 2005
Imagine, you are out on the town, gun concealed in your insde pocket, or purse; the ladrão appears from nowhere, sticks a gun in your face, demands money. What are your chaances of getting your gun out and shooting the thief? Remember he´s all adrenalined up. while you are relaxed and immedietly disorientated. Would your concealed gun save you, or kill you and, worse still, leave another gun in the hands of the thief/murderer.
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written by Guest, October 19, 2005
amen, bigfish!
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written by Guest, October 19, 2005
You'd be a gonner.
nice story bigfish
written by Guest, October 19, 2005
This is why - when I used to be a gun owner - I always left it at home. Carrying a gun is usually no help in a situation like that. Personal defense classes teach you to try and avoid those situations in the first place.

How 'bout some other scenarios? You're spending the weekend at your sitio with your family, and you see two very sinister men hop your fence and start heading for your house, and one of them has a gun. Are you glad you don't have a gun now?

Or you're in your luxury condo in Ipenema one morning, having breakfast on the terrace, the kids are getting ready for school... and you see a van pull up out front. A man gets out and has a conversation with your door man. Then he pulls out a gun, and your doorman opens the gate to allow the van into the garage. Immediately you call the police, but couple minutes later you hear them yelling at your neighbor, kicking in their door, you hear shots fired. Then your doorbell rings. Are you glad you don't have a gun now?
good laws
written by Guest, October 19, 2005
A law banning the sale of guns and ammunition in Brasil? Great idea. Just like the laws against child labor and child prostitution in Brasil, the laws against drunk driving in Brasil, the laws against drug dealing in Brazil, the laws against personal use of public monies and other corruption in Brasil, etc. These are all illegal acts which - despite the laws - continue to destroy more far lives than guns here.

Brazil doesn't need more laws. It needs more justice.
Brazil doesn\'t need more laws. It needs
written by Guest, October 19, 2005
Brazil doesn't need more laws. It needs more justice.

Concordo!!!!!!
Keep it simple!
written by Guest, October 19, 2005
Your all politicians no wonder nothing really changes....If it isnt this...then it is that...!!!!

Lets keep it simple

You've got two choices...
You want to see less guns sold and available in Brasil
or
You want to keep it the same as it is.
then...
After you make that decision you then get the chance to follow another path.

Guns Guns Guns
written by Guest, October 19, 2005
In agreement with Missing the point...A criminal will get hold of a gun regardless of whether they are banned or not. The point of a Ban is perhaps best described as making that time before he gets armed a little longer by making it a little harder.

As in Australia where most weapons have been banned. It might be advisable to make it more profitable to be forced to sell the guns to the government at a highly profitable cost.
And ensure they are instantly disabled rather than available for misappropriation.
Results - Australia ban
written by Guest, October 19, 2005

April 28th, 2003, marked the 7th anniversary of the Port Arthur Massacre, Australia's most devastating gun tragedy, in which a disturbed man went on a killing spree that left 35 dead and 19 injured. The massacre catalyzed a demand for comprehensive gun control. By 1997, Australia's States and Territories had passed the most significant gun law reforms in their history, including a ban on semi-automatic rifles and pump-action shotguns; registration of all firearms and licensing of all shooters; and safe storage requirements for guns and ammunition.[1]

To persuade gun-owners to turn in their semi-automatic long guns, the Australian government established a buyback program, funded by the Federal Government and administered by the States and Territories. Reimbursements were generous; the program eventually cost over $320 million Australian dollars and resulted in over 643,000 guns being turned in.[2] Per capita, the Australian buyback was massive, equivalent to an estimated 40 million guns in the US.[3]

Has anything changed in Australia since the new laws went into effect? Between 1987 and 1996, 100 Australians were killed in mass killings of four or more people. Since the new laws went into effect, there has not been a single massacre. Moreover, in Australia, homicides committed with firearms have been declining - slowly before the Port Arthur Massacre, more sharply since - from 28 percent of all homicides in 1989-90 to 16 percent in 2001.[4] While the 1996 gun laws did not initiate the decline in firearm homicides, they appear to have accelerated it.

Along with the declining use of firearms in homicide, Australia has seen a decline in the use of firearms in armed robberies. From 1993 to 2001, the proportion of robberies committed with a firearm dropped from 16 to 6 percent.[5]

Suicide rates using a firearm show a sharp drop from 1979-98 with rates continuing to drop after 1996 [6] and firearm-related accidental injuries in Australia are also declining.[7] Public health experts see these declines as related to tighter controls over who may obtain a gun, stricter requirements for training and safe storage, and longer waiting periods for obtaining gun licenses.

The next time a credulous friend tells you that Australia actually experienced more crime when it got tougher on crime, offer your friend a Fosters and a helping of truth.

Endnotes:

1. Simon Chapman, Over Our Dead Bodies: Port Arthur and Australia's Fight for Gun Control. Annandale, NSW: Pluto Press, 1998, 72.
2. Ibid., 82.
3. Peter Reuter and Jenny Mouzos, in "Australia: A Massive Buyback of Low-Risk Guns," in Jens Ludwig and P.J. Cook (eds.), Evaluating Gun Policy: Effects on Crime and Violence. Washington, D.C.: The Brookings Institution, 2003, 130.
4. Australian Institute of Criminology. Facts and Figures 2002. Canberra, 2002, 15-16.
5. Australian Bureau of Statistics. Recorded Crime Australia, 4510.0. Canberra, 2002, 17.
6. Reuter and Mouzos, op. cit., figure 4-3, 137.
7. Jenny Mouzos, Firearms Related Morbidity in Australia, 1994-95 to 1998-99. Trends and Issues in Crime and Criminal Justice, No. 198. Canberra: Australian Institute of Criminology, 2001, 4.

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And what the NRA say
written by Guest, October 19, 2005
* Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2%.

* Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6%.

* Australia-wide, armed-robberies are up 44%. (yes, FORTY-FOUR PERCENT)

* In the state of Victoria, homicides-with-firearms are up 300%!

* The steady decrease in homicides-with-firearms that occurred during the previous 25 years became an increase in the last 12 months.

* The steady decrease in armed-robbery-with-firearms that occurred during the previous 25 years became an increase in the last 12 months.

* There has been a dramatic increase in breakins-and-assaults-of-the-elderly.

* At the time of the ban, the Prime Minister said "self-defense is not a reason for owning a firearm".

* From 1910 to present, homicides in Australia have averaged about 1.8-per-100,000 or lower, a safe society by any standard.

* The ban has destroyed Australia's standings in some international sport shooting competitions.

* The membership of the Australian Sports Shooting Association has increased by 200% in response to the ban and in an attempt to organize against further controls, which are expected.



What do you think
written by Guest, October 19, 2005
I think i believe the real statistics
And some mitigation
written by Guest, October 19, 2005
Origins: Although
the old adage says that "Figures don't lie, but liars figure," those who seek to influence public opinion often employ a variety of means to slant statistical figures into seemingly supporting their point of view:

* Percentages by themselves often tell far from a complete story, particularly when they involve small sample sizes which do not adequately mask normal fluctuations or the potential influence of a number of extraneous factors affecting the phenomenon under study. A statement such as "The number of deaths attributable to cancer increased by 2% between 1973 and 1983" is probably much more significant if the number of cancer deaths increased by twenty thousand among a population of one million than if they increased by two among a population of one hundred. (In the latter case, for example, two people who already had cancer could have moved into an otherwise cancer-free small town, but it's far less likely that immigration would completely account for an increase of twenty thousand cancer cases amidst a city of one million.)

* Context is especially important, and percentages alone don't provide context. A statement such as "The home run total in the American League jumped by an astounding 50% between 1960 and 1961" sounds misleadingly impressive if you don't know that after 1960, the American League expanded by two teams and increased the length of its schedule, thereby adding two hundred more games to the season.

* Most importantly, percentages don't establish cause-and-effect relationships — at best they highlight correlations which may be due to any number of factors. If (to continue our previous example), the total number of home runs hit by all teams increased by 30% from one year to the next while the number of games remained the same, a great many people might claim that the baseballs used in the latter year had obviously been "juiced" (i.e., manufactured in such a way as to cause them to travel farther when hit). But a number of other unconsidered factors (individually or collectively) might be responsible for the increase, such as an abundance of warm weather, or an expansion in the number of teams which brought more inexperienced and ineffective pitchers into the league.

In the specific case offered here, context is the most important factor. The piece quoted above leads the reader to believe that much of the Australian citizenry owned handguns until their ownership was made illegal and all firearms owned by "law-abiding citizens" were collected by the government through a buy-back program in 1997. This is not so. Australian citizens do not (and never did) have a constitutional right to own firearms — even before the 1997 buyback program, handgun ownership in Australia was restricted to certain groups, such as those needing weapons for occupational reasons, members of approved sporting clubs, hunters, and collectors. Moreover, the 1997 buyback program did not take away all the guns owned by these groups; only some types of firearms (primarily semi-automatic and pump-action weapons) were banned. And even with the ban in effect, those who can demonstrate a legitimate need to possess prohibited categories of firearms can petition for exemptions from the law.

Given this context, any claims based on statistics (even accurate ones) which posit a cause-and-effect relationship between the gun buyback program and increased crime rates because "criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed" are automatically suspect, since the average Australian citizen didn't own firearms even before the buyback. But beyond that, most of the statistics offered here are misleading and present only "first year results" where long-term trends need to be considered in order to draw valid cause-and-effect conclusions.

For example, the first entry states that "Homicides are up 3.2%." This statistic is misleading because it reflects only the absolute number of homicides rather than the homicide rate. (A country with a rapidly-growing population, for example, might experience a higher number of crimes even while its overall crime rate decreased.) An examination of statistics from the Australian Institute of Criminology (AIC) reveals that the overall homicide rate in Australia has changed little over the past decade and actually dipped slightly after the 1997 gun buy-back program. (The chart found at this link also demonstrates how easily statistics based on small sample sizes can mislead, as when the homicide rate in Tasmania increased nearly eight-fold in one year based on a single incident in which 35 people were killed.)

Then we have the claim that "In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent." This is another example of how misleading statistics can be when the underlying numbers are not provided: Victoria, a state with a population of over four-and-a-half million people in 1997, experienced 7 firearm-related homicides in 1996 and 19 firearm-related homicides in 1997 (an increase of 171%, not 300%). An additional twelve homicides amongst a population of 4.5 million is not statistically significant, nor does this single-year statistic adequately reflect long-term trends. Moreover, the opening paragraph mixes two very different types of statistics — number of homicides vs. percentage of homicides committed with firearms. In the latter case, it should be noted that the Australia-wide percentage of homicides committed with firearms is now lower than it was before the gun buy-back program, and lower than it has been at any point during the past ten years. (In the former case, the absolute number of firearm homicides in Australia in 1998-99 was the lowest in the past ten years.)

Other claims offered here, such as the statement that "While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months" and "There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the elderly" are even more difficult to evaluate, because they don't offer any figures or standards of measurement at all. Do they deal with absolute numbers, or percentages? Do they reflect all incidents of crime, or only those committed with firearms? How much of an increase constitutes a "dramatic" increase? According to the Australian Bureau of Statistics, the proportion of firearms used to commit armed robbery has actually declined over the last several years:

1995 - 27.8%
1996 - 25.3%
1997 - 24.1%
1998 - 17.6%
1999 - 15.2%
2000 - 14.0%

The ABS does report that the number of assaults on victims aged 65 and over has increased over the last few years, but hardly in a proportion one would describe as "dramatic":

Number of victims of assault aged 65 and over:

1996 - 1474
1997 - 1662 (12.8% increase from previous year)
1998 - 1663 (0.06% increase from previous year)
1999 - 1793 (7.8% increase from previous year)

The main point to be learned here is that determining the effect of changes in Australia's gun ownership laws and the government's firearm buy-back program on crime rates requires a complex long-term analysis and can't be discerned from the small, mixed grab bag of short-term statistics offered here. And no matter what the outcome of that analysis, the results aren't necessarily applicable to the USA, where laws regarding gun ownership are (and always have been) much different than those in Australia.


I have said enough now
Gun lovers just love guns
written by Guest, October 19, 2005
Just love their guns. You won't get them to not be hysterical about the idea that they can't have their guns. It's called penis envy, inadequacy, impotence, etc. They are psychologically damaged people. They, like the porn industry, put a lot of money into keeping guns around.
who cares to...
written by Guest, October 19, 2005
People care to comopare a country guns/policies and such with Brazil! One think I know, in Australia or America they still can make tv jokes or such mischief for television, people love that , in Brazil too. The problem is in Brazil you may get a shoot for that!
Re: who cares to...
written by Guest, October 19, 2005
Good argument for taking guns away from Brazilians.
Ah f**k it.
written by Guest, October 19, 2005
Vote yes on the Gun ban and hand over your right to self defense to your benelovent government. I'm sure as hell glad my family and I dont have to deal with the reprecussions.
Re: Ah f**k it
written by Guest, October 19, 2005
"I'm sure as hell glad my family and I dont have to deal with the reprecussions."

Ah, you're not Brazilian. Then mind your own business.
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written by Guest, October 20, 2005
I will be voting "no" on the ban. I want to feel safe in my own home, in my own city. I would expect regisration and limits but I want a gun!
me too
written by Guest, October 20, 2005
Yes, have a gun is a lot of responsabilities, I'm. I like guns too. But like I said, to have a gun just for show is trowing money out or worse!..now to have a gun for protection and to be trained by some good professional, now the gun is not only a object... this training is the real thing, simples words.. you will be trained to kill! is hard to explain it, but I'm sure some people know what this training envolves..anyway, you have at least to review this training once at year and more than once a month pratice shooting in several conditions...now a guy who does that will have a better chance to protect himself and others without making things worse and various situations.
Now to have a gun sure we need legislations, strongs ones and more laws, to protect commom peoples. But let's get real is better voting "yes" in Brazil, making guns less available and after making stronger policing.
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written by Guest, October 20, 2005
"I like guns too." You must have a very small penis.
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written by Guest, October 20, 2005
Sorry, just kidding. You're okay.
This referendum is nonsensical
written by Guest, October 21, 2005
Firstly, I see this whole gun vote thing as just another media flap by an incompetent government who doesn't know how to curb violence. The butchering will continue whoever wins as most guns here are illegal or smuggled anyway.

However, I'm happy to see the Viva Rio crowd and the so-called beautiful people -- air-headed soap opera celebrities whose political dabblings would be the stock of derision in any
advanced country -- having their butt kicked.

Also, for the first time, defence of freedom is coming to the
fore. Hopefully this will extend to other forms of freedom,
particularly economic freedom. Maybe we could go on to discuss Brazil's economic freedom ranking (98th, below communist China, as per the Fraser Institute) or bureaucracy rankings (2nd, behind Chad)?
Re: This referendum
written by Guest, October 22, 2005
"an incompetent government who doesn't know how to curb violence."

Ha-ha . . . And Lula's administration is the most competent in the nation's history. Well, it's progress.

Anyway, I don't see any argument that supports your cliaim that the referendum is "nonsensical." Makes a lot of sense to a lot of Brazilians, and that's what counts. There's nothing wrong with getting rid of guns. There are more important freedoms at issue in Brazil.
Makes Perfect Sense
written by Guest, October 22, 2005
· About 39,000 people in Brazil are killed by guns each year, or about four an hour.

· Unesco ranks Brazil second in deaths by guns, with 21.72 per 100,000 people a year. Venezuela proportionately has more, with 34.3 per 100,000, but Brazil has more in absolute numbers.

· More than one in 11 Brazilians has a gun - about 17m guns in a nation of 183 million.

· 72% of guns used in crimes in Rio de Janeiro state between 1999 and 2005 were registered to "law-abiding citizens" or to police or the armed forces and had been stolen by criminals.

· Gun-related deaths fell 8% in 2004 after a voluntary disarmament campaign.

· Police said 67% of guns used in rapes and 58% in murders were store-bought.

Sources: Unesco, Rio de Janeiro civil and state police, Rio de Janeiro state security secretariat, Institute of Religious Studies based in Rio de Janeiro.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/brazil/story/0,12462,1598147,00.html
Who is the Gun Lobby?
written by Guest, October 22, 2005
The title of the article states that the Brazilian gun lobby has launched an hysterical campaign, yet i didn't see any evidence of that in the article. sure the right wing publications have, but whats new? is there a hysterical gun lobby? if so who are they?
Who is the Gun Lobby?
written by Guest, October 22, 2005
The title of the article states that the Brazilian gun lobby has launched an hysterical campaign, yet i didn't see any evidence of that in the article. sure the right wing publications have, but whats new? is there a hysterical gun lobby? if so who are they?
Gun lobby:
written by Guest, October 22, 2005
Who is the gun lobby? Corporations that make guns pay lobbyists and public relations firms to promote guns and to defeat gun control laws.

Then there is the NRA:
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20051107/hearn

Pull your head out of your ass and look around you, fool. Does everyone have to spell it out for you? Are you that stupid and lazy?
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written by Guest, October 22, 2005
"More than one in 11 Brazilians has a gun - about 17m guns in a nation of 183 million." If gun ownership equals safety, Brazil should be among the safest in the world. But, it's second in the world for death by guns.

"72% of guns used in crimes in Rio de Janeiro state between 1999 and 2005 were registered to 'law-abiding citizens' or to police or the armed forces and had been stolen by criminals." "Police said 67% of guns used in rapes and 58% in murders were store-bought." So the gun owners are the greatest suppliers of guns to criminals in Brazil. They're helping rapists and murderers by buying guns. There's something the NRA isn't going to tell you.

"Gun-related deaths fell 8% in 2004 after a voluntary disarmament campaign." So, this is what you get for taking guns away from people? Sound's like progress to me. But if killing is your thing, then by all means vote no.
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written by Guest, October 24, 2005
"Human life is cheap in Brazil" Not as cheap as it was in Rwanda or Cambodia, where MILLIONS of unarmed, defensless civillians were slaughtered while the "international organizations" who love us all so much, stood around with their thumbs up their asses and watched.
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written by Guest, October 24, 2005
The Guest 2 up from this post says "one in 11 have guns...should be the safest in the world" Huh?

That means 10 of every 11 Brazilians is defensless against criminals. How would that make them safe?

If a community college in your area offers a course titled "logic 101", I suggest you enroll!
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written by Guest, October 24, 2005
Switzerland has one of the highest gun ownership rates in the world owing to its militia based Army and yet has one of the lowest murder rates in the world proving that Guns are not the problem, people are the problem.

Countries like Norway, Iceland and the Faroe Islands are patches of infertile dirt stuck up in the artic circle with s**tty weather, darkness and cold most of the year and yet they boast 100% literacy rate, highest standard of living, quality of life, lowest crime in the world and one of the healthiest populations on the planet.

Yet Brazil is the 5th largest country, blessed with sunshine, fertile soil and vast natural resources but the country is f**ked politically, economically and socially proving again that the country is not the problem but the people are.

The solution is boot out the Portuguese and let the Vikings invade…….
John Fitzpatrick: \"We know Brazil...\"
written by Guest, October 24, 2005
John Fitzpatrick - author of this article - wrote: "It is now quite possible that there will be a small majority against the ban."

John Fitzpatrick as founder of Celtic Comunicacoes: "We know Brazil and how business is done here.... services include briefings on the political, economic and cultural scene in Brazil..."

Boy, I'm not sure if I'd want to pay for those services! Hmm... 64% voted "Nao", 36% "Sim"... is that what you call a "small majority"? I know, I know... about 3/4 of those who voted "Nao" are just criminals and stupid gun lovers. Of course, all of those who voted "Sim" are clearly highly intelligent, peace loving Brazilians. And 15% of voters must have originally wanted to vote "Sim", but these stupid, sheep-like 18.3 million Brazilians were brainwashed by that "malicious media campaign" backed the gun industry, and changed their minds. That must be why the ban failed... who woulda figured?

- Quem
Repercussions
written by Guest, October 24, 2005
One thing to ponder now is: what exactly did the government unleash out of the bottle? Some newspapers have talked of a wave of 'plebiscitism', with groups proposing referenda about all kinds of stuff. A recent story in O Globo mentioned proposed referenda about abortion, the whole 'Estatuto do Desarmamento' (Disarmament Law), and the death penalty. Maybe the legislative agenda will somehow be affected.

The 'não' pretty much amounts to a no-confidence vote in the government. I'm curious to see the eventual repercussions in Lula and his governments' approval rates, as well as on the performance of other presidential wannabes. I heard several people mentioning they were voting 'não' as a protest against corruption.

I generally like John Fitzpatrick's articles, but I think he's too pro-government sometimes (IMO both Lula and Cardoso got undeserved praise from him). Maybe he was partially infected by Brazil's cultural tendency to treat government as Deus ex machina?
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written by Guest, October 25, 2005
Referendums in Brazil?

Well, I personally think that the entire idea of running a country via referendums or plebiscites is a complete waste of time – especially in a young democracy with an incredibly high illiteracy rate. Some may argue that it is a true form of democracy, but I still favor Churchill’s axiom “if you want the best argument against democracy, just spent 5 minutes talking with your average voter”.

Now before jumping all over me, I do believe in democracy (the best of the worse systems), or at least the right to vote for our elected officials. However it is their job, and they are voted in because of their platforms – they have no right shrugging off complicated issues to an ill-informed and malleable public for resolve. It’s a waste of money, time, and the outcome is meaningless – as in this case. Much ado about nothing.

To me it didn’t matter which side won, the outcome will still be violence in Brazil as usual. What sticks in my craw is that politicians are heralding this as a new era in Brazilian democracy, and the issue of true violence and it’s root causes (police corruption, inadequate training, a crippled judicial system, and antiquated laws) have been further obfuscated and our illustrious leaders have wiped their hands clean of their duties in protecting their citizens.
Referenda
written by Guest, October 25, 2005
I don't think there will be many referenda in the future, or that the 'não' heralds a 'new era'. A few people want to spin it as such, but it's, well, just spin.

My guess is that the post-referendum aftermath should generate a few waves -- the incumbents did take a hit --, or possibly just hot air besides that. A favorable scenario would be some kind of unthawing of the legislative agenda, still mired in those congressional enquiries which are striving to accomplish nothing investigation-wise (as per usual). Changing the laws that treat underage criminals as minors, as the article suggests, would be a good, relatively easy step.

I think significant change in the congressional agenda is unlikely though. That's some rather wishful thinking really. Alas...
Merenda!? More Merenda? Obaaa!!
written by Guest, October 25, 2005
PRECISA-SE DE MATÉRIA PRIMA PARA CONSTRUIR UM PAÍS


A crença geral anterior era que Collor não servia, bem como Itamar e Fernando Henrique.

Agora dizemos que Lula não serve. E o que vier depois de Lula também não servirá para nada.

Por isso estou começando a suspeitar que o problema não está no ladrão e corrupto que foi Collor, ou na farsa que é o Lula. O problema está em nós.

Nós como POVO. Nós como matéria prima de um país.

Porque pertenço a um país onde a "ESPERTEZA" é a moeda que sempre é valorizada, tanto ou mais do que o dólar. Um país onde ficar rico da noite para o dia é uma virtude mais apreciada do que formar uma família, baseada em valores e respeito aos demais.

Pertenço a um país onde, lamentavelmente, os jornais jamais poderão ser vendidos como em outros países, isto é, pondo umas caixas nas calçadas onde se paga por um só jornal E SE TIRA UM SÓ JORNAL, DEIXANDO OS DEMAIS ONDE ESTÃO.

Pertenço ao país onde as EMPRESAS PRIVADAS são papelarias particulares de seus empregados desonestos, que levam para casa, como se fosse correto, folhas de papel, lápis, canetas, clipes e tudo o que possa ser útil para o trabalho dos filhos ... e para eles mesmos.

Pertenço a um país onde a gente se sente o máximo porque conseguiu "puxar" a tevê a cabo do vizinho, onde a gente frauda a declaração de imposto de renda para não pagar ou pagar menos impostos.

Pertenço a um país onde a impontualidade é um hábito. Onde os diretores das empresas não valorizam o capital humano. Onde há pouco interesse pela ecologia, onde as pessoas atiram lixo nas ruas e depois reclamam do governo por não limpar os esgotos. Onde fazemos "gatos" para roubarmos luz e água e nos queixamos de como esses serviços estão caros.

Onde não existe a cultura pela leitura (exemplo maior nosso atual Presidente, que recentemente falou que é muito chato ter que ler) e não há consciência nem memória política, histórica nem econômica. Onde nossos congressistas trabalham dois dias por semana para aprovar projetos e leis que só servem para afundar ao que não tem, encher o saco ao que tem pouco e beneficiar só a alguns.

Pertenço a um país onde as carteiras de motorista e os certificados médicos podem ser "comprados", sem fazer nenhum exame. Um país onde uma pessoa de idade avançada, ou uma mulher com uma criança nos braços, ou um inválido, fica em pé no ônibus, enquanto a pessoa que está sentada finge que dorme para não dar o lugar.

Um país no qual a prioridade de passagem é para o carro e não para o pedestre. Um país onde fazemos um monte de coisa errada, mas nos esbaldamos em criticar nossos governantes.

Quanto mais analiso os defeitos do Fernando Henrique e do Lula, melhor me sinto como pessoa, apesar de que ainda ontem "molhei" a mão de um guarda de trânsito para não ser multado.

Quanto mais digo o quanto o Dirceu é culpado, melhor sou eu como brasileiro, apesar de ainda hoje de manhã passei para trás um cliente através de uma fraude, o que me ajudou a pagar algumas dívidas.

Não. Não. Não. Já basta.

Como Matéria Prima de um país, temos muitas coisas boas, mas nos falta muito para sermos os homens e mulheres que nosso país precisa.

Esses defeitos, essa "ESPERTEZA BRASILEIRA" congênita, essa desonestidade em pequena escala, que depois cresce e evolui até converter-se em casos de escândalo, essa falta de qualidade humana, mais do que Collor, Itamar, Fernando Henrique ou Lula, é que é real e honestamente ruim, porque todos eles são brasileiros como nós, ELEITOS POR NÓS. Nascidos aqui, não em outra parte...

Me entristeço. Porque, ainda que Lula renunciasse hoje mesmo, o próximo presidente que o suceder terá que continuar trabalhando com a mesma matéria prima defeituosa que, como povo, somos nós mesmos. E não poderá fazer nada. Não tenho nenhuma garantia de que alguém o possa fazer melhor, mas enquanto alguém não sinalizar um caminho destinado a erradicar primeiro os vícios que temos como povo, ninguém servirá.

Nem serviu Collor, nem serviu Itamar, não serviu Fernando Henrique, e nem serve Lula, nem servirá o que vier. Qual é a alternativa? Precisamos de mais um ditador, para que nos faça cumprir a lei com a força e por meio do terror?

Aqui faz falta outra coisa. E enquanto essa "outra coisa" não comece a surgir de baixo para cima, ou de cima para baixo, ou do centro para os lados, ou como queiram, seguiremos igualmente condenados, igualmente estancados....igualmente sacaneados!!!

É muito gostoso ser brasileiro . Mas quando essa brasilianidade autóctone começa a ser um empecilho às nossas possibilidades de desenvolvimento como Nação, aí a coisa muda...

Não esperemos acender uma vela a todos os Santos, a ver se nos mandam um Messias. Nós temos que mudar, um novo governador com os mesmos brasileiros não poderá fazer nada. Está muito claro...... Somos nós os que temos que mudar.

Sim, creio que isto encaixa muito bem em tudo o que anda nos acontecendo:

Desculpamos a mediocridade mediante programas de televisão nefastos e francamente tolerantes com o fracasso. É a indústria da desculpa e da estupidez.

Agora, depois desta mensagem, francamente decidi procurar o responsável, não para castigá-lo, senão para exigir-lhe (sim, exigir-lhe) que melhore seu comportamento e que não se faça de surdo, de desentendido.

Sim, decidi procurar ao responsável e ESTOU SEGURO QUE O ENCONTRAREI QUANDO ME OLHAR NO ESPELHO.

Aí está.

NÃO PRECISO PROCURÁ-LO EM OUTRO LADO.

E você, que pensa?....

MEDITE!!!!!




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killings
written by Guest, October 27, 2005
In el salvador there are 50 killed by guns per 100000 more than brazil

bye
Brazilian patriot
written by Guest, November 04, 2005
They are thinking that us Brazilian we are idiotic, shortly we will have an as strong as NRA organization to defend our freedom and our defense rights.

Of a Brazilian patriot
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written by Guest, June 12, 2006
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written by Josh, January 23, 2008
You can always "ban guns", and I can make a flamethrower more easily. I know how it is in Brazil, and I know how mean some people can be.

I would like nothing better than to see people like that burn to death! But, look at it this way: Where they're going, that's only an appatizer!
Don't let law abiding have guns!
written by Klaus, February 08, 2008
I'm glad they banned guns here because I almost got shot once when I was trying to rob this one guy. It also scares me that potential victims would be armed like in the US. There is no way we can ever allow that to happen in Australia again. I think they should ban all guns here so that I don't have to worry about people having guns in their homes either. I still see assualt rifles sometimes when I am robbing homes and steal them. AK style rifles are selling for only 200 on the black market. I have six of them now.

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